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"Dude, You're Getting A Degree"

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Because it's fair...

 

Source: Townhall.com

"I think College is good, therefore the state should subsidize it." - People who want to help.

Why there's a student loan bubble and how it will end.

 

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Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:08 | 6572429 Soul Glow
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Most college grads major in bullshit.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:12 | 6572440 AlaricBalth
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There is no value in any product that is free.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:16 | 6572451 El Oregonian
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"Dude, You're Getting A Degree"

 

A third degree burn!

fixed.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:17 | 6572455 TeamDepends
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Wackohantas wants everyone to attend FSU (Free Shit University).

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:25 | 6572481 OC Sure
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Shuhh? ...Just tune in to network TV on Friday evenings and THINKitUP America!

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:45 | 6572534 Dick Buttkiss
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As one ghetto kid asked the other on the bus to school: "Is you did yo maff?"

(Not that I blame them.)

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:52 | 6572549 knukles
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It's not college.  It's Indoctrination, FFS, people!
That's why EveryBodyGetsToAttendforFree!

                Well, indoctrination plus subsidizing the Progressive professorial staff
                                                 Everything is broken

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:57 | 6572573 OC Sure
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Backup, clenched fingers.

 

The unlearned, indoctrinated, do not begin at college.

 

The unlearning begins at birth.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:01 | 6572582 zorba THE GREEK
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"Its not college, It's indoctrination."

Right as usually, Knuckles. And millions of people pay for their indoctrination.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:08 | 6572771 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Enculturated, indoctrinated, and indentured, into servitude to Banksters.

 

Note: The professorial class are the pit-bosses, & Cappos.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:18 | 6573020 cougar_w
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If it's indoctrination, then it's just a continuation of the same mind-fuck kids are first subject to when they are 2 yo and sat in front of the TV to be "entertained".

My wife and I killed our TV before we had kids. They never (in our home) sat in front of a TV. Then we home schooled (daughter until she started college, son until he started HS). And we stayed home or rode bicycles. No exposure to brands, or pro sports, or car culture, or vacationing "just to get away". And they turned out fine, think for themselves, will nail you in adult conversation, and have fully functional bullshit meters. All that is what it took, life-long attention to the matter, and not just "don't go to college".

It's too hard for most people. So they pick at it, and only for a little while. Escaping the matrix is hard as hell, and when you're grown up is when the real fight begins.

Fight it like a bastard everyday. Never drop your guard ever. Forever.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:57 | 6573136 OC Sure
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Hmmm...not sure if you hit it here. The identification is not that it is not the TV or the Media that is the problem. The problem is the premises that are promulgated on the TV and throughout the media. 

Teach your children well to identify the true and false premises and the deliverer of the premises becomes innocuous.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:54 | 6572564 OC Sure
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Living is the best school there is. Why do you send your hypothetical kids on a bus? Indeed, you should not blame them. 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:41 | 6572525 kaiserhoff
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Not just a degree, a degree and a trophy...,

   maybe a trophy room.  Isn't moar always better;)

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:51 | 6572554 knukles
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Modern Institutions of Higher Education (Oxymoron) no longer award degrees; they award Certificates of Participation

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:10 | 6572604 franciscopendergrass
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Its the 2nd high school degree

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:29 | 6573039 cougar_w
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That's pretty much right, unless you get a degree in business from an Ivy League school. And then, it's mostly about social connections and knowing the right people. The doors close really fast for anyone not born to money.

In the period from 1965 to 1985 a "degree" made economic sense, there were jobs that could leverage a good education and they did often require a degree, and having it kept you out of factory work. Now, there is no work for anyone degree or not outside financials, and I get the sense that even then you have to sell your soul to get in.

Very bleak.

I tell my kids, get a degree if you want won't hurt. Do not go into debt, not worth it. They get it, and have older peers who they see coming back with 4 year degrees, big debts, and no prospect of work anywhere except chain retail and coffee shops.

Really sad.

Definitely time to wake the fuck up.

Full disclosure: I hold 3 college degrees, including an M.Sci. in Biology. My wife has a M.A. degree. I write software for a living. We neither of us have used our degrees in a full-time job.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:45 | 6572695 flapdoodle
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Along with the indoctrination, and creating already-in-debt slaves unable to generate any capital and unable to generate any traction to compete with TPTB,  the other major purpose of "Higher Education" is simply to serve as a holding pen,  to keep young people out of the job market and make the employment numbers look better...

"Higher Warehouse for the Slave Children where they learn to Obey" as it were.

For those in power,  what's not to like?

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:20 | 6572811 techpreist
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If you can't create more jobs, create fewer workers.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:11 | 6572993 Chuck Walla
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If you can't create more jobs, create fewer workers.

Thats pretty anti-Ponzi right there.

FORWARD PONZISCHEMEZY!

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:55 | 6572567 logicalman
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I guess you are planning to give up breathing soon.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:06 | 6572593 RopeADope
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It's politics, mistaking correlation for causation is par for the course.

There will always be special interest groups bringing correlations to people like Maxine Waters. It is one of the reasons why government should stick to damage prevention instead of making things "better".

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:40 | 6572876 Macon Richardson
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Air is free.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:00 | 6573473 OldPhart
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so far...

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:28 | 6572488 negative rates
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And if you like your major bullshit, you can keep your major bullshit. And if you like your college debt, you can keep your college debt.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:18 | 6572622 glenlloyd
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A friend told me last night that a 24yo new hire at a new car dealer had to be let go because he couldn't subtract the trade-in value from the sale price.....

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:41 | 6572878 Macon Richardson
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And isn't that hard to believe.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:03 | 6573480 OldPhart
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You won't believe the numbers screened out of my interviews because they not only can't add, subtract, multiply and divide; they can't even read a simple question.  The ones that are making it through are, at minimum, 35 years old.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 08:08 | 6573935 de3de8
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It used to be that they couldn't make change from behind the counter and the cash register that did it for them saved the day. Now they can't even count out the money the cash register shows them. I always like to give them a 10 or 20 bill with the exact change and watch them go into meltdown figuring out what comes back.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:12 | 6572995 tempo
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Its just a way for the rich to make money, most grads end up being interns or uber drivers w $40k of student debt, a drug/drinking habit, lack of any morals and hating America. Yes everyone should waste 5 years going to college.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 23:01 | 6573343 Yohimbo
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hey murica, if its free for everyone, and everyone has one, dont you think each one is going to be worth less?

"bu...bu....bu....they told us "education" is good, so its good right?, johnny

can get an easy cushy high paying JOB if he studies shakespeare and womyns studies right???

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:11 | 6572436 JustObserving
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Why can't you get a free degree, or nearly free, from internet courses? You can hire inexpensive graders from all over the world if needed.  Better than $1.1 trillion in student loans with 30% of students unable to pay.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:13 | 6572445 logicalman
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Better than $1.1 trillion in student loans?

Depends which end of things you are on!

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:18 | 6572459 JustObserving
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It is actually $1.2 trillion today - it grows so fast that it is hard to keep up.

The banksters need debt slaves.  Many students are unable to pay back their loans for a couple of decades

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:33 | 6572499 AlaricBalth
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The standard repayment plan for federal student loans puts borrowers on a 10-year track to pay off their debt, but research has shown the average bachelor's degree holder takes 21 years to pay off his or her loans.

http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/files/OWIStudentLoanEconomicReport.pdf

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:27 | 6573051 Bemused Observer
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I guess the irony of having them pay for 10 years for a 4 year education got past the ones who set up that plan...

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:09 | 6572600 Freddie
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The goal is not education for the kids.  It is big bucks for the banks with student loans, shit sold to students like books and laptops and gold plated pensions for unionized professors and also administration.

Child abuse and lifetime debt serdom to line the pockets of others.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 04:57 | 6573730 Adahy
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All that yummy usury!  NOM NOM NOM

-Vampire squid

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:42 | 6572886 Macon Richardson
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Impeccable logic, Logicman.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:23 | 6572472 TheDanimal
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Yes because the inexpensive, poorly paid, graders could never be bribed. Also with the advent of online courses for actual college credit I've made some decent money taking online classes for fellow students. How can one prove that they were, in fact, the ones sitting at the computer completing the assignments and tests? I suppose some Orwellian facial recognition software requiring a device with a camera could be used. I'd hope people wouldn't put up with that shit, but they probably will. 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:50 | 6572542 Peak Finance
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One of my side jobs is a Uni professor, and I teach on-line. I have caught students before whom were taking the classes for someone else and reported them to administration.

THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE

I told them this student was cheating, and having someone from India taking their classes.

They said, "whats the proof" 

I said, "Well, the Student Info says they live in Detroit and they are using a fucking Indian email address and server, and the email name does not match the student name, and it's not even a female name and the student is female"

Admin says, "That's not enough."

I said "It's simple, just check the students IP next time they log in and see if it from India"

Never got a response. 

They don't fucking care as long as the student loan check clears!!

HOWEVER BAD YOU THINK THE EDUCATION SCAM IS, I CAN TELL YOU IT"S WORSE THAN YOU THINK!

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:00 | 6572747 medicalstudent
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its called a VPN

 

admin's right.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 23:06 | 6573352 Yohimbo
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its a straight up racket, just like everything in human life. 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:20 | 6572632 sun tzu
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Who puts the lessons together and certifies them? Who updates the lessons? Who helps the students that don't understand certain portions of the material? Who certifies the graders? While college shouldn't be nearly as expensive as it is now, giving out diploma mill degrees to everyone doesn't help anything. If everyone can get a college degree, then it will be no more valuable than a high school degree

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:09 | 6572776 opport.knocks
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Here in Canada, the rule that a Bachelor's degree is the new HS diploma and a Master's degree is essential to progress into a serious management position has been true for about 15 years.

Also, professional certification exams are a big part of most advanced jobs now, except sales and marketing where the ability to BS your way through any situation is a job requirement.

As for online courses, we built an online pre-certification learning platfom for management accountants, that they complete after they do their MBA. The same prof that taught the online course taught the weekend "in the flesh" class. He just taped it all and uploaded it. There is built in module testng and also forum software where students can ask questions of the prof and each other,

Bottom line, over 5 years, when it came to performance on the final proctored certification exam, the online students did better than the in class students. My theory is that it is because you get work on your own preferred time and at your own pace, without classroom distractions.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:14 | 6572443 matermaker
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I don't approve with how this nation educates its youth.  That being said, I don't approve of how the East teaches them that the head of a nail should be beaten down.  However, the only hope that this nation or the planet has is for humans to learn how to think critically.   I do find it a bit absurd that only that we would want to keep the majority of people ignorant and sheepish.  To that I say, my motivation for people being able to think for themselves and question everything is to blow this carnival sky high.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:19 | 6572449 logicalman
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My son's last year book quote was 'if only common sense was actually common'

Nations do not educate youth. They are SCHOOLED.

Big difference.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:45 | 6572902 Macon Richardson
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Schooled! Quite right. In fact, many state school departments are not called "Department of Education" but "Department of Public Instruction." There's a big difference between being educated and being instructed.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:34 | 6572503 Lucky Leprachaun
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"the only hope that this nation or the planet has is for humans to learn how to think critically"

If that's true - and it is - then stay away as far as possible from the hiveminded PC-dominated intolerant college environment, where critical thinking is the kiss of death.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:34 | 6572507 Dr. Engali
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I don't think we are too far away from the east when it comes to beating down nails.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:22 | 6572640 sun tzu
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There are millions of ignorant sheep with $100K degrees in the social sciences like gender and ethnic studies.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:13 | 6572446 bpj
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The monopoly of accredidation

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:21 | 6572463 hangemhigh77
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Learn to make jelly donuts. There's always a job at Dunkin Donuts

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:24 | 6572476 BurningFuld
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Something tells me those donuts aren't actually made at the Dunkin Donuts Store.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:50 | 6572550 insanelysane
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They usually make them at one DD and deliver them to other local DDs.  I used to get a coffee roll from there now and then but they started making them the same size as a donut.  I think they may have stopped selling munchkin donuts because the real ones were getting close in size.  Inflation is everywhere.  FU Dunkin Donuts.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:21 | 6572466 Sudden Debt
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College shouldn't be free but it shouldn't be insanely expensive either.

Make it 5 to 7K a year. That's still a lot of money, if you have 200 students in a aula, you do the math. The proffessors will get paid for sure with that sum!

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:21 | 6572467 stant
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Wife works for a colledge. They see what's coming. If you work for one you better 1 make yourself too important to fire or 2 stay off the radar so you night get missed when hr comes around

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:23 | 6572470 cowdiddly
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 Plantation owners never allowed slaves to learn to read.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:25 | 6572479 stant
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Thank god some made it to dee-troit

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:26 | 6572482 BurningFuld
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You are really assuming a lot by thinking they are actually learning something.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:58 | 6572524 cowdiddly
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And you are assuming a lot by thinking you and I are not one of the slaves

After the War of Northern Aggression the plantation just got bigger.

Now look what you done wen an don Eustice, you done gone off and larnt em te read an cipher an now he done gone off an got hissef elected President. lol

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:27 | 6572486 pndr4495
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I have long believed that a well stocked library can afford the same - or even a better - education than any institution of higher learning.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:10 | 6572605 stormsailor
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i think back in the 70's the books cost about as much as the tuition. but factor in about 400 wild parties, about 300 hot college chicks about 48 football games and i think college would be cheaper than the library.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:28 | 6572489 A Lunatic
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Learn a trade, patiently acquire the tools to perform it, preferably from home, and own your future. Too boring you say......?

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:31 | 6572496 Arthur Schopenhauer
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 It appears we may have been educated similarly to the way Indians are educated on Indian Reservations.

Somewhat like the educations they provide to people in prisoner of war camps.

Welcome to the RESERVATION!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:54 | 6573553 TeethVillage88s
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Its true.

Just try dealing with both sides when you go to Business school. You have the Education people, Liberal Arts People against you and the Business people against you.

Nice.

How do you like Nurses, and the contempt they feel for people that are different?

Nurses are Tribal Drones.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:30 | 6572498 Dr. Engali
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The fact that these kids go to college to be taught about beauties of socialism and the evils of capitalism, as if capitalism really exists, by the professors who aren't afraid to grab as much fiat as they can in the process pisses me off more than the debt these kids are acquiring. It's funny how it's capitalism for them and socialism for everybody else.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:32 | 6572501 Kantbelieveit
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American students willing to live in Germany pay ZERO tuition to attend German universities. The Germans consider it a social good to provide advanced education to those who can benefit from it. Here in America many take pride in practices that have been rejected by every other advanced nation. They like loading our kids with college debt and pushing uninsured people into medical bankruptcy. They think economics should operate like the law of the jungle. Savage people make a savage society.

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:45 | 6572536 kaiserhoff
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Sweet Bejesus.  Now you tell me!

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:52 | 6572559 insanelysane
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You just need to study what they want you to study.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:28 | 6572656 sun tzu
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Germans also believe allowing 800,000 savage Muslims into their little country every year and giving them free food, housing, and everything else they want or need will save their economy and culture. They will be in a much worse place than the jungle in 10 years as 20 million young Muslims face off against 60 million old Germans

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:55 | 6577329 mkkby
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Yep. 

Germans are going to learn being altruistic to savages will NOT result in kind and grateful citizens.  Those muslims are going to turn into the same violently criminal underclass as the niggers and spics in america.  This is the biggest mistake in your history. 

Akin to inviting the barbarians over for a sleep over.  Don't just hide the silverware.  Send your daughters out of the country.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:32 | 6572502 Sanity Bear
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Oddly enough, 2 generations ago college was mostly free, of course they didn't try to shove half the population through four years of it back then and there were no bullshit courses of study, just things you needed actual post-secondary education to do like medicine, law, and engineering.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:43 | 6572529 kaiserhoff
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Not quite free, Bear.  My tuition at Illinois was $267.00 per semester,

   but I had a full scholarship, so yeah, pretty much;)

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:00 | 6572548 Ajax_USB_Port_R...
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Yeah, I was in college about 2 generations ago! Text books were the largest expenditure. Tuition was a mimimal expense. (I lived at home.) Didn't learn anything - that was my fault. But at least I can do an oil change on my car!  I can also replace a door, install a new window, re-plumb or re-wire a house. Most kids today...ah don't get me started. AND STAY OFF THE DAMN LAWN!

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:07 | 6572596 o r c k
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In 1974 I took a class in "casting and angling".

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 22:35 | 6573264 StychoKiller
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Ahh, a tool and die maker! :>D

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:28 | 6572657 ZD1
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Nothing is ever free!

That "free" education that you received was paid for by taxpayers and moneyprinting.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:30 | 6572660 sun tzu
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It's $1,500 per semester at most community colleges. Kids prefer to party, so they end up whining about the $100K in debt.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:44 | 6572700 logicalman
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4 years of schooling that leaves someone shackled with debt is very useful for those who benefit.

Keeps a shit-load off the unemployment numbers AND makes them easier to mamipulate once they are at risk of showing up on said numbers.

Win/Win!

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:36 | 6572515 arrowrod
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What's the over/under for designer kids? (Cause I'm not smart like everybody else on ZH, designer kids means:  DNA modified children, with natural children outlawed.)

Over/under:  what year?  My guess 2060.

When will we have electronic device-brain connectivity?  What year?  My guess 2025. 

Singularity: 2040.

Me dead: 2032.  I would pay $1million for 50 year age reduction.

 

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:47 | 6572706 logicalman
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I'm 60 - wouldn't want to live that long again if things continue to 'improve' at the present rate.

Quality is more important than quantiy.

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:42 | 6572528 q99x2
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I'm going to college to get a PhD and so I can support myself by hanging out with young folk from around the world until I retire. I am thankful for Yellen't FAFSA otherwise I would be a part of a revolution of poor people who would shut down the FED and Goldman Sachs, arrest Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon for treason and so on. FAFSA is a way of bribing the poor and intelligent not to revolt.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:00 | 6572580 logicalman
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Governments steal as much as they can get away with and use the proceeds to bribe enough of the populace not to revolt.

 

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:48 | 6572543 all-priced-in
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When someone says FREE it always means PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE.

 

Doesn't matter if it is health care or education -

 

It is sort of amazing that people will say things like - college is free in Germany - or they have free medical care.

 

If you think college or medical care is expensive now just wait until the government makes it free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:03 | 6572934 opport.knocks
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If health care is so much more "affordable" in the USA, then why does the USA spend more per capita on heath care than any country on the planet? Last time I looked it was about 17% of GDP vs an average of about 11% in "socialist" Europe. And this is from a higher GDP per capita than almost every country.

Further proof of the "efficiencies" of a "free" market economy i guess. /s

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:40 | 6573097 Stuck on Zero
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Look at the bright side.  Not only is health care in the U.S. outrageously overpriced ... it's also among the worst health care in the world.  I've had better care in Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Peru, Kenya, ...

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 23:17 | 6573383 wendigo
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You're a fool if you think medicine operates under a free market anywhere. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:06 | 6573488 opport.knocks
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Hence the /s tag for sarcasm.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:56 | 6572552 divedivedive
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There are soo many parallels between today and the 70's.

The bottom line is - yes you need a degree to make more money. But unless you are really shooting for the stars - nobody really cares if your degree is from MIT or Podunk U. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 01:03 | 6573566 BidnessMan
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Really believe that?  

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 18:51 | 6572556 Nexus789
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Just in time for when robotics and smart software eliminates many jobs.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:07 | 6572591 logicalman
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Here's a thought.

When ALL jobs have been replaced by robots, who will have money to spend to buy the automated factories are making?

I'm all in favour of robots replacing jobs.

Why the fuck should humans work if machines can do it?

I know I could use all that free time more enjoyably than working, and I'm fortunate enough to have a job I quite enjoy.

24/7 - 365 hobbies for all!

Progress for humanity requires a differnt way of thinking - the present way ain't working for more than a few.

 

 

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:12 | 6573498 OldPhart
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My hobby is drinking beer.

I find it fulfilling and satisfying.

Excuse me, I need another beer.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:15 | 6572615 Berspankme
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Most things that are free have very little value. Just sayin

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:26 | 6572648 sullymandias
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Tyler your site is infested with malware. in chrome on Android I get redirected to play store links at random intervals. please fix

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:48 | 6572715 Bunghole
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Dude,

Get a laptop.

Phones are for kids on twitter and facebook.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:06 | 6572974 opport.knocks
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LOL dude, your phone is infested with malware.

Please take a minute to install some anti-virus software.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 07:51 | 6573893 jenniewadeguy
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Thanks.  It seems to work perfectly with no unwanted interference of any kind.  

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:28 | 6572654 sp0rkovite
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Most readers here did not pay for their ability to read this or do basic arithmetic, they received it for "free". Some think that this is all the education anyone needs. Those people are wrong.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 23:19 | 6573387 wendigo
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My parents taught me, as was their duty. Next. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:21 | 6573508 OldPhart
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I guess you're correct, since my first paying job wasn't until age 10, and by that point I had the reading level of today's 12th grader and the math skills of any current high school graduate.  But from age 10 on, I contributed to the cost of my education via multiple layers of payroll taxes.  Oppressive at $0.80 per hour or what ever the rate was.

But I have to agree with the other guy.  My parents taught me, the school reinforced what my parents taught.  School did NOT teach me to care for a ranch, treat animal injuries, how to fix a broken generator, build a shed, or wire electrical outlets.  All things I did, independently, before I was fifteen.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:36 | 6573530 TeethVillage88s
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Education for the Career people is big business.

In fact you might draw the conclusion that the Federal Govt has a policy to pay Industry or at least pick winners who it does pay for career level classes of all kind.

Interesting subject. Lots of Federal Contracts. Federal Govt even has Universities set up, but my feeling is that they are all contractors to the federal govt. Well like USDA University, which I didn't check out. But MIC has Defense National University or some thing named similar which is big money, contracted to people often whom worked for the Military or government.

Quit a Racket as Smedley Butler would say.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:30 | 6572663 Reaper
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There is little value in that which is easily purchased. Did Einstein have his PHD when he described his theory of relativity? My grandfather purchased his driver's license at the local Sears. What is the real meaning of a college credential? You were suckered into borrowing to buy crap. Your judgement was bad.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 19:43 | 6572697 coast
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lets get to the truth...Rockefellers took oer the colleges and universites over 100 years ago to indoctrinate...going to a college or university for free is nothing more than if they gave you free poison....some say, "well it can make you more money"...yeah? a money slave is what it makes you...you may have money but your spirit and essence of life are over, exactly how it was planned.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:04 | 6572756 squid
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Said this before, will say it again.

I did poly-tech and university in the eighties....doesn't seem that long ago but guess it is.

 

Even back in the eighties there was a standing joke in engineering that the most important phrase an arts major needed to know was "Would you like fries with that?", simply because, that was their future. Unless you were using that 3 year BA as a sping board to something else, MacDonald's was your destination, like it or not.

 

This was common knowledge in the eighties, surely its the same now?

 

But, there's more.....see when i went to school, the Government of Alberta subsidized each student at the UofA to the tune of C$11,000 per head per year. Now, the University admin wonks can add so they looked at it this way:

1. Cost per arts student?....low

2. Cost per engineering/geology/Chemistry/Medical student? ...expensive.

 

Both get the same Government subsidy. Answer, 20,000 arts students out of 29,000. Everything else, business and commerce, engineering, geology, biological science, education, agriculture, dentistry, medicine, nursing, law.....made up the last 9,000.

 

Pallets and pallets of "An Anthology of English Literature" texts in the book store every September to feed to new mob of arts students.

 

So that's the game. Pump up the arts(unemployable) student numbers because they have the greatest profit margin for the University.

It was so back then, and its so today.

 

A word of warning to any student thinking of majoring in arts DON'T!!! Just remember, "would you like fries with that?"...and the fact that even then, they're being replaced with machines.

 

Get a real degree (if that's your thing) and a real job. Life is messy, but fun is you're based in reality.

There is also nothing wrong with Poly-tech or trade school. The tar sand were NOT paying History majors C$50 an hour, they were paying welders that. The history majors were washing dishes in the canteen.

 

Squid

 

 

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:04 | 6572757 MEFOBILLS
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Economics and native ability ….meaning a high IQ population means a hell of lot more than degrees.

Between 1700 and 1900 the U.S. pushed mankind forward more than 2,000 years.  In 1700 man sailed in square rigged sailing ships, and used plows not much different than Romans.

By 1900, a continent had been conquered, there was powered flight, electricity, steam engines, railroads, and electric motors; effectively the modern industrial age had been invented.

So, what was the percentage of college educated people in this population?

How about WW2?  Invention of radar, jet engines, nuclear technology, rocketry, advances in chemistry such as synthetic rubber. 

So what was the percentage of college educated people in WW2 population?

That said…. A nation CAN AFFORD TO EDUCATE ITS CHILDREN, EVEN THROUGH COLLEGE.  It is done regularly by competitive economies today.  Is Germany a laggard economy?  Are they going bankrupt because they spend on college?

How about Canada post ww2, they had both free medical and free college – yet had a dynamic economy. 

There is plenty of economic surplus if an economy is NOT VECTORING IT TOWARD OLIGARCHY.

The U.S. brain is parasitized by finance capitalism.  This means that the surplus economic overhead is vectored away in welfare for the rich scheme.

This parasitism actually kills the host, because young people are reduced in their ability to create future wealth.

In post WW2 Canada, there was a virtuous cycle, where young people borrowed  real wealth money, saved by retirees.  The interest on this sovereign wealth money vectored from the young back to the old.  This helped the old retire, and also helped the young form new families and buy property cheaply (1 to 2 percent interest only since price inflation was around zero).

It was the banker’s that screwed things up in Canada after 74.

One of the great secrets of Germany is its mittelstand banks.  Mittelstand means small and medium sized.  These small banks aim their credit locally at small and medium sized businesses.  Small and medium sized business usually employ the most labor.  BIG Business is not the major employer.

However, big banks like to only do business with big business; that or they are co-owners in big business.

Germany also got rich with a mixed economy, where they spent into infrastructure and clean water, roads, electricity, etc.  The U.S. did the same, and it was called the American system.

These were MIXED economies with public and private partnerships.  The credit created tended to be industrial credit aimed at productive modes, meaning into industry.

The U.S. started passing into finance capitalism, especially after 1912 with advent of private banker takeover of the country.

College can be easily paid for in a real economy, and teaching critical thinking skills would be valuable amongst a high IQ population.

 

However, the U.S. is slipping into low IQ status and then the argument has to be made; what to do with peoples who are not similar to those who inhabited America from 1700 to 1900?

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:14 | 6572790 squid
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"How about Canada post ww2, they had both free medical and free college – yet had a dynamic economy."

That is a bold faced lie.

No Canadian province has ever had Free University. I'm assuming that is what you mean by college. There is no Free university, there are no free tech schools, there are no free trade schools. Once again, this is a lie.

 

Second:

The Canada health act was read in parliament in 1968 and was enacted in 1969. Last time I checked, WW2 ended in 1945....unless I'm missing something.

 

And the Medicare system in Canada does NOT give you access to medical care, it gives you free and unlimited access to a waiting list. Lets get things straight, shall we? You should also check what is NOT covered by medicare as well.

 

Cheers,

Squid

 


Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:38 | 6572900 MEFOBILLS
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Squid,

Check out Abrams here about 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYEFuN2v08&list=PLA0C4FFEC6324A14E&index=2

 

about 3 minutes in.  The returning Vets were given free education, or land grants.  I'm not sure how long it lasted after that.    At 4 min 18's "colleges were built up."  This doesn't necessarily imply direct subsidy, but indirect.  It was sovereing money that injected into colleges to build them up.  Same with the hospitals.

So, I might be full of beans on this one, but only slightly.  I'm should find more hard data.

Thanks

Mefo

 

edit:

Actualy I am full of beans.  It was subsidized, not free.  The subsidy was debt free money, which lowered costs.  If something is totally free it will be abused.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 22:47 | 6573292 squid
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That's returning vets....

My dad did a similar program, went on a radio course after getting off the farm in Alberta in the fifties. The course was in Toronto as the Government's goal was to civilianized the North in those days as it was all military back then. Trained him as a radio technician...there were no poly-tech's back then like the "Northern Alberta Institute of Technology, NAIT". That stuff didn't exist back then.

 

But there was NO free university because if there had been, my dad would have gone! There were courses offered by the Government given by Government (ex-military) trainers for trades of the day.

 

The original author insinuated that Canada has free tuition for University. That is false and never was.

 

Cheers,

Squid

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:16 | 6577417 mkkby
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It's easy to provide free college and health care if you only spend a token amount on the military, letting your neighbor to the south shoulders that cost.

I hope the US stops subsidizing everyone else's defense.  China would probably invade the first week.  All that free shit might be a little less fun under their rule.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 11:55 | 6574683 Thick Willy
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I'd take the land without a second thought at this point.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 12:05 | 6574747 BearOfNH
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That is a bold faced lie.

Actually, the correct term is "bald-faced lie". But even that doesn't apply. You might say mefobills is incorrect, because I don't think he set out to deliberately misinform the readers, which is what a lie is...assuming we're not golfing.

I appreciate your corrections.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:08 | 6572769 medicalstudent
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debt must be created; current ponzi must be extended

 

as long as the 50-60yr olds ruling the world keep making ponzis with a 40yr expiration date, in a rinse repeat fashion, humanity will never escape this shit.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:22 | 6572822 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I bought a 2008 Engineering text in Thermodynamics for $5 at the flea market today. I could have talked the guy down too.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 11:54 | 6574677 Thick Willy
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Easily $150 new.  Every year they print new versions that are mandatory so students can't buy used books on the cheap.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:23 | 6572826 Scooby Dooby Doo
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I don't know...

Here's a degree for you.
5 year's at The Zero Hedge.com institute (no 'standardized' test required. pass/fail)
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1 year studying how to escape alive.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 20:26 | 6572837 Salsa Verde
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I see so many people get turned away because they come in for an interview with the "I have a degree so now I'm entightled to a large salary and killer benfits" bullshit:  They don't even make it past the initial HR screening much less get to speak to a manager or executive.  Unrealistic expectations are the biggest reason for gettting refused a position in my neck of the woods.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 01:00 | 6573561 BidnessMan
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A BS degree from a BS diploma mill never gets to an interview at our company.  Automatic delete.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 21:18 | 6573021 DaveA
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Call around your local tradesmen and ask when they can fit you in for an appointment. If he can come over right away, he's barely employed. If his next opening is a month away, that's a field you should consider working in.

College qualifies you to work for a big corporation, where in 20 years 80% of your income will be for taxes. My sons will be working in the trades for cash*, and if caught, will pretend to be illegal immigrants. (No speekee Engrish! I call lawyer! You get fired for racism!)

* If cash has been abolished, they'll be working for whatever currency drug dealers and hookers use.

Sun, 09/20/2015 - 23:52 | 6573457 fowlerja
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Actually if you want to impress your friends on your academic achievements...google..print a fake college degree...they can set you up with some nice documents which you can hang on your home walls...the best part..it will only cost you a fraction of a student loan...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 00:53 | 6573552 hedgiex
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Some food for thought from a Civilization just standing up to past errors. Tang dynasty and its successors in the once Great Middle Kingdom did not need the World (so they thought) and reveled in their Arts/Literature and eschewed the Sciences. Then came the Industrial Revolution and the rest is history. Never shall the present generation ever eschew their intense pursuit of Science & Tech. Too much etched into their culture to relearn humiliations, etc. They may be asininie in many other things but parents will sell blood (in Henan) to put their children to colleges. The State does not even need to discourage the pursuit of the Arts. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 03:48 | 6573701 SmittyinLA
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Ya it's the progressives, riiiiiiiiight!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 07:49 | 6573888 jenniewadeguy
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ffffff

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 11:53 | 6574668 Thick Willy
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American college is just anti-white male indoctrination.  Why even send your white daughter to any college other than Brigham-Young?  So she can learn to hate white men, to hate herself, and be brainwashed into believing she should never have children?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 11:58 | 6574703 jenniewadeguy
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Fan boy.

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