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Greece Votes: Syriza Wins But Neo-Nazis Top Among The Unemployed
Update: New Democracy concedes to Syriza, following elections where following a 45% abstention rate, Tsipras is set to hold 145 seats in parliament.
Official projection. Abstension at 45 percent
#Greece pic.twitter.com/uLmMI85DRa
— Derek Gatopoulos (@dgatopoulos) September 20, 2015
Three months ago, when Greece held a dramatic referendum on the conditions of the country’s third bailout program, the world couldn’t get enough. Whether right or wrong, investors had come to believe that the fate of the financial universe hinged on the outcome of Greece’s fraught negotiations with creditors and despite the fact that the financial fallout from a potential Grexit had long since been thrust onto the shoulders of EMU taxpayers and away from the private sector, the market came to believe that a black swan event was just around the corner.
Fast forward to Sunday and Greeks are going to the polls again, only this time, no one seems to care. For those interested, we’ve included the full election preview below, but essentially what it comes down to is this:
The Syriza vision that resonated so well with voters in January has, in the space of just nine months, been relegated to the realm of "wishful thinking" and even if Tsipras wins, this is not the Tsipras who swept to power earlier this year and this version of Syriza has been watered down in the wake of the split which saw Panagiotis Lafazanis form his own, breakaway party last month.
In short, the IMF, Berlin, and Brussels got what they wanted - even if the fight was perhaps more difficult than they had imagined. Democracy has been undermined in Greece by the purse string and although Europe's methods were more subtle than say, Turkey's, the outcome is the same: a democratic election result that was seen as undesirable by those who ultimately control Europe was nullified and the will of the Greek people has been subverted.
Now, Greeks find themselves going to the polls facing a situation that will be familiar to many American voters - a choice between two parties that claim to be diametrically opposed, but who are actually all too similar.
And so against that rather depressing backdrop, exit polls show that Tsipras will likely prevail:
- TSIPRAS'S SYRIZA TO GET 30%-34% OF VOTE: ANT1 EXIT POLL
Here's the full breakdown from Bloomberg:
- Alexis Tsipras’s Syriza party to get between 30.0% and 34.0% of the vote in Greek parliamentary elections, a joint exit poll commissioned by Greece’s TV channels shows.
- Conservative New Democracy party, led by Evangelos Meimarakis, to get between 28.5% and 32.5%
- Far right Golden Dawn to get between 6.5% and 8.0%
- Center-left Pasok to get between 5.5% and 7.0%
- Communist Party of Greece to get between 5.5% and 7%
- Centrist River party to get between 4.0% and 5.5%
- Independent Greeks, junior coalition partner in Tsipras’s last govt, to get between 3.0% and 4.0%
- Anti-bailout Popular Unity, which split from Syriza, to get between 2.5% and 3.5%
- Union of Centrists to get between 3.2% and 4.2%
- NOTE: Threshold for electing lawmakers in parliament is 3% of the vote; total votes of parties which don’t make it to parliament proportionately distributed to parties which elect lawmakers; winner of the election takes 50 seats bonus in country’s 300 seat chamber;
For what comes next, see the full preview below, but before closing it's worth noting that incredibly, neo-Nazi Golden Dawn came in third place and garnered the most support among the country's unemployed masses:
How the unemployed voted:
16.6% for Golden Dawn
5.1% for Pasok pic.twitter.com/LxYtLKZzXT
— Damian Mac Con Uladh (@damomac) September 20, 2015
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Full Preview
For months on end, all anyone could talk about was Greece. Throughout the spring and summer, the country’s fate in the eurozone was considered the main risk to global markets if not for what the financial fallout from a Grexit would be (that risk was largely confined to the public sector), then for what a Grexit would mean for the future of Europe’s fragile currency union.
Then, a funny thing happened. Everyone forgot about Greece.
On the heels of a final, dramatic showdown in Brussels that pitted PM Alexis Tsipras (who came in wielding a referendum “no” vote from his people) against German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble and saw Greece finally capitulate after a weekend of “mental waterboarding,” the world seemingly accepted the fact that Athens will remain a debt serf for decades to come, and although the issues of debt relief and bank recapitalization remain contentious, it seems that a Greek exit is no longer on the table.
Late in August, Tsipras resigned, setting in motion a series of events which would lead to snap elections. Again, the news was greeted with little fanfare as, by that point, the market had turned its attention to China, its currency, its stock market, its economy, and how it would all factor into the Fed decision in September.
Well, as we head into the weekend (liftoff-less, still), it’s worth noting that Greece is having an election on Sunday, and although the outcome is unlikely to change the course of the bailout deal, black swans wouldn’t be black swans if they were easy to spot ahead of time and if the first half of the year taught us anything, it’s that “inconsequential” things like Greek politics actually do matter for markets, and it’s with those two considerations in mind, that we present Bloomberg’s four scenarios for the Greek election outcome.
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From Bloomberg
Scenario 1: Moderate Coalition Government
The two (alternate) poll leaders Syriza and New Democracy are unlikely to win with an absolute majority. Our baseline scenario therefore is a new round of coalition patch-working to start as soon as next week and result in a moderate center-left or center-right coalition. The victorious party will win a 50-seat bonus and be given the mandate by President Prokopis Pavlopoulos to form a coalition. If Syriza comes first, it will probably turn to smaller, centrist parties such as Pasok and/or To Potami to build a "progressive" coalition — as Tsipras put it during the campaign. In the case of a New Democracy victory, the party would also go hunting among the same smaller parties for allies. The quick formation of a new government would enable the legislative business to restart and get the ball rolling on the required reforms ahead of the next bailout program review — currently scheduled for October.
Scenario 2: Grand Coalition
If coalition talks with small parties fail to bring a solid majority, the two main parties could reach out to each other. New Democracy new leader Vangelis Meimarakis already said he could work with Syriza. By contrast, Tsipras ruled that prospect out — but he has shown some unexpected pragmatic skills lately. We see a grand coalition between two ideologically different parties becoming a reality only as a last resort. Both parties do want to respect the bailout program commitments, but they have opposite views on pretty much everything else. The collaboration would therefore be quite unstable and short-lived in our opinion. Furthermore, in this scenario the main opposition party could end up being the third-polling Golden Dawn, a neo-Nazi party. Not the kind of constructive opposition you’d wish in a democracy.

Scenario 3: New New Elections
The elections could result in an overly fragmented Parliament and unsuccessful coalition talks. That would be a remake of 2012. Back then, the May general elections resulted in a deadlocked political situation leading to new elections he month after and the eventual formation of a coalition led by Antonis Samaras. In this scenario, Greece would lose at least another month marked by political uncertainty before the organization of yet more elections. The implementation of the program would fall behind schedule and some creditors could lose patience and trust — two virtues which are not trending particularly high right now.
Scenario 4: Absolute Majority
One party reaching an absolute majority is the least likely scenario, but arguably the best one for the implementation of the bailout program and the stability of the euro area. A single-party government would have a longer life expectancy than any coalition, potentially able to serve a full term mandate of four years. That would cover the entire program period until 2018. Yet this scenario remains the least probable given the state of public opinion. Both Syriza and New Democracy have been polling around 25 percent. That’s far from Syriza’s victorious score of 36.3 percent in January which fell short of absolute majority by only one seat.
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For his part, Tsipras is confident that despite polls that show Syriza running neck and neck with New Democracy, when it comes time for Greeks to cast their ballots, he we prevail. "There is a voting body that is below the radar, it is not being traced," he told told Greece's ANT 1 television.
As for New Democracy leader Vengelis Meimarakis, he’s looking to capitalize on what he hopes are public doubts about Tsipras after the former PM sold out the referendum “no” vote in Brussels. “The question is clear. Should we listen to false promises and wishful thinking, or move forward responsibly and with a national plan? It's high time we did away with incompetence. The Syriza experiment ends on Sunday."
The unfortunate reality here is that the Syriza vision that resonated so well with voters in January has, in the space of just nine months, been relegated to the realm of "wishful thinking" and as should be clear from the above, even if Tsipras wins, this is not the Tsipras who swept to power earlier this year and this version of Syriza has been watered down in the wake of the split which saw Panagiotis Lafazanis form his own, break away party last month.
In short, the IMF, Berlin, and Brussels got what they wanted - even if the fight was perhaps more difficult than they had imagined. Democracy has been undermined in Greece by the purse string and although Europe's methods were more subtle than say, Turkey's, the outcome is the same: a democratic election result that was seen as undesirable by those who ultimately control Europe was nullified and the will of the Greek people has been subverted.
Now, Greeks find themselves going to the polls facing a situation that will be familiar to many American voters - a choice between two parties that claim to be diametrically opposed, but who are actually all too similar.
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From Deutsche Bank
One event which has somewhat flown under the radar is Greece’s general election this Sunday. The recent polls have been too close to call, with fairly evenly split support for Syriza and New Democracy although neither is likely to control a majority in parliament. The successful conclusion of the 3rd ESM package and broad-based political support to meet creditors’ demands eliminated a lot of the political risk however and as DB’s George Saravelos pointed out previously the eventual outcome of the vote may not entail particularly different paths ahead. The bigger picture is the popular support towards underlying Eurozone membership as the key underlying factor behind ensuring that Greece’s path towards stabilization is in place.
From Citi
Sunday's election should show political system remains fragmented and uncertain. Five new polls released since yesterday suggest that uncertainty around the outcome of Sunday’s election remains as high as ever. Three polls (from Alco, Metron Analysis and Pulse pollsters) see the two main parties, New Democracy and Syriza, with almost exactly the same share of votes (27.4% vs 27%, 31.6% vs 31.9%, and both even at 29%, respectively for the three pollsters). Another poll by the Interview shows a ND lead at 32.8% vs. 30.6% for Syriza. An E-voice poll instead puts Syriza at 32.6% and ND at 28.5%. Comment: recent polls suggest that ND has increased its support and closed the gap with Syriza, but probably not enough to win the election, and most importantly to win a parliamentary majority. A Syriza win remains our base-case scenario, with a coalition with smaller centre-left parties likely to be necessary to form the next government. However, whichever party wins Sunday’s election, it will probably take a while for the next government to be formed and it is likely to be a fragile one. This would make it difficult to implement quickly the Memorandum requests necessary to get additional financial help and, crucially, to recapitalize Greek lenders. We believe that Greece’s position within the Eurozone could come into question again within the next few months.
From Nomura (via Bloomberg)
A bad outcome would be a highly fragmented parliament, with Syriza and New Democracy getting very low shares of the vote, in which case more parties will be needed to form a government. A disastrous scenario would see Golden Dawn, and the anti-European parties getting a really high share of the vote. But that’s just a tail risk and it’s highly unlikely to happen. Even a bad scenario will probably be good-enough for investors in the grand scheme of things.
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>>>Greece voted off planet in upset referendum
The left are the fascists. They want the government involved in "public/private partnership" and the gov to police and dictate to private business.
"You didn't build that!"
Elections in Greece matter once it became a slave of Germany and the EU?
This is sort of like voting in the Soviet Union.
The most meaningless vote in the history of the world and the Free Shit revolution!
Milton Churchill
(Fixed?)
NeoNazi this. Lloyd Blankfein and Goldman Sachs have funded the murder of 2,000,000 mid easterners and their war crimes growing by the day. Get your papers in order because you'll soon need them to board a plane
For a site that claims to give you the facts, ZH is very quick to repeat the media soundbite, whenever things get serious. It has been getting more and more evident, the Trump articles, now the NeoNazi angle. ZH has been taken over.
If the US corporate slaves weren't such sheep they would boycott the airlines.
But what's a little genital groping between friends.
they would do a lot more than boycott, if they werent sheep... the root of the entire problem... the cowardice of the populace
For someone who has no knowledge from the ground you seem pretty sure about fiction and conspiracies.
So here is a collection of photos of Golden Dawn Fuhrer N.G. Mihaloliakos and his 2nd in command Christos Pappas http://i60.tinypic.com/npktut.jpg
used in the golden dawn trial 1-10 is from their wild youth 1980-1990, 11-12 is 2nd in command during a visit to Mussolini's grave in 2010(?)ish.
There is a 2013 video of Christos Pappas teaching his 8yo daughter to salute whilst shouting Heil hitler in front of a portrait og Adolf in his living room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5bDgd3YeO0 at around 1:03.
If you still have doubts about them being neo nazis, i 've got some prime real estate in the moon to sell you.
itsallgreektome.. I hate to tell you because you are a fellow Greek in Greece.. I live in NYC and America has illegal immigration problems too. But I just don't get you people down there?? Especially you we had a debate about this issue..
How is the Easten greek islands doing?!?!? Horrible flooded with immigrants.. In fact Golden DAWN went to KOS to put these THUGS of immigrants back on the boats.. You still stuck on the propaganda you hear there NAZIS BLAH BLAH.. SYRIZA does not care about you and everyone on ZH knows that.. Do yourself a favor oldman and fight with your fellow GREEKS TOGETHER or fall down HARD fighting eath other.. "Comman" think critcailly! I The majorty of my family in Greece is brainwashed just like you.. GOLDEN DAWN can save GREECE ONLY.. Anyway you are dumb and snubbing Mr. Putin by not giving him airspace or aligning yourselves with Russia will cost you dearly and the rest of Greece!!!
patrioti staka ligo/wait a minute.
1.the immigration problem is more grave than you can imagine on the scale of daily incoming and sheer numbers BUT they all want to register in Germany,Finland,France or other EU countries,less than 5% want to stay in a depression stricken Greece.So as long as they can move on and we help them to further their journey,it is not that big of a problem.Until winter we will know how many stayed behind,and then we will have a problem to support them,they are people too you know.
2.I still excel at giving you the cold hard evidence.Golden Dawn is nazi by nature,nazi by practice and nazi by rhetorics.Ancient Greeks had a whole chapter on the good treatment of strangers and their rights-Xenios Dias-if you remember.Also they had an altar "to the unknown god" in Athens for every one of a different religion to practice his/hers religious rights. So we can definitely say that Golden Dawn does seem to adhere only to the Spartan way of life and ethics. Which is not friendly,nor easy to follow and certainly not applicable in a modern democracy.Unless you consider straight up murder of an "inferior" and hiding the evidence as your democratic duty,in that case.. be proud when you are apprehended by the police!
3.Greece cant be saved by Golden Dawn because
4. But I saved the best for last, to show you how misinformed you indeed are about everything in Greece.
We totally gave Russia and air route! -despite US pressure not to- for 21 days,in fact it is bound to end this week.Alligning closer with Putin's Russia though wouldnt be wise at this moment.Hell,if you like Russia so much go there davai..
5.Always at your service,and happy to dispel the lies you are being fed,fella :) I am guessing distance and love for the country and its troubles can alter your view a great deal.But it's all good.
Elections...., lol, if elections changed anything they'd be outlawed.
Actually what they are doing is trying to outlaw the Golden Dawn party. Last election they started the neo nazi BS angle and used trumped up charges to put key members in jail.
Now the media outlets are getting started early and being obvious in their agenda. GD is not even called GD in the headlines but neo nazis.
The association is made for the sheep.
AND ZH IS PART OF THAT. Has a controlling interest in ZH been taken by TPTB? Many of the slants on the current articles are decidedly Zionist.
if the sheep can't see past the association, then they get what they deserve.... i am done with the belief that if the sheeple were just given the proper information they wouldn't be cowards and rise up... what bull shit... they enjoy the false informations because it justifies their cowardice...
They are neo-nazis, come on, look at the bloody party symbol. Then again, any anti-immigration party (even if led by a Judeophile like Geert Wilders) gets painted by the same brush regardless. In the end all right wing parties will be Nazi as a consequence, it's the only real defence.
If the media won't let you be anti-immigration without calling you a Nazi well then, you call yourself a Nazi and take that talking point away from the media.
They're not Neo-Nazis. The Nazis themselves were Caesarians!
Rome got the laurel leaves of Victory from Ancient Greece!
ie They're being themselves!
FFS study some history people!
I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not I'll point out that there's something in the center of those leafs which is oddly familiar and without much historical precedent in Greece.
call yourself whatever you like.I wouldnt mind a party named Nazis,or NationalSocialists or TheProudGeese or whatever.Names dont hurt.Far right or antiimmigration.Racist but hey it is your godamn right to be.No problem with that.
I have a huge problem with street gangs terrorizing and murdering people to instill fear and show off party power,lying mud slingers and Hitler admirer's though.
And of course German Nazi fans in a country that lost 1/10 of its population in WW2.
Frankly if you have to bully people into submission and party discipline with psychological AND physical violence,
hide your banners in plain daylight,
subdue your members to total brainwashing (about false idols,history,science and current events)
and rally them solely with violent intents
then you obviously have no viable,tested or true-ish ideology.
I see it is very easy to misjudge the situation from a distance and fall victim to conspiracy theories about conspiracy theories.
Golden Dawn IS a neo nazi party http://i60.tinypic.com/npktut.jpg. And there are tons of evidence about that.They even have organised pogroms,in plain daylight.
But since you appear hard to believe lemme dumb it down a notch:
1.Swastickas,wolfsangel,celtic crosses,ss references,sieg heil tattoos?=check!
2.Nazi salute in front of party leader,and towards pictures and memorabilia of Adolf Hitler and/or Mussolini, or even in precious and prideful photographs in Auswitz?=check!
3.Fuhrerprizipe organizational structure whereas noone moves a muscle unless commanded bu his superior?=check!
4.Hate speeches, gang violence,firebombings,beatings and murders of immigrants,leftists and/or Jewish monuments?=check!
5.Night rallies with lit torches on the day(end of january) of hitler's appointment as a chansellor?=check!
6.Constant subterfuge and propaganda against everyone claiming that they are nazis?=check!
Need I continue this?Because I can do it all week long.With pictures,videos,texts..I even have the party magazine of Spring 2011 (before they got used by the system and increased their voters from 5000-8000 around Greece in 400k..)
The cover and cover story?"Adolf Hitler-a misjudged character" and "happy birthday our glorious leader" -second story "Counter Attack NOW- How nationalists must prevail in the streets against the reds"
Really Golden Dawn is NAZI LOL.... OK ATHEIST and communist is is a much better option.. O yeah get used to the Muslims and illegals they will be the majority in Greece soon.. Plus I hope you know how to bow down to your master Tsipras.. That traitor should be pulled in the middle of Athens and beaten to a inch of his life...
Yeah, Golden Dawn IS a neo-nazi party. But that alone besides the shame and utter disgust that SHOULD provoke to ALL GREEKS, is no flaw in itself. The policies followed and the actions taken are though.
Blankone dead on accurate bro!!!!
They allow the unemployed to vote? That clearly has to stop.
Nazi's don't play well with others. That is why they are unemployed.
Well that's just dandy. The one step away from communism party didn't do anything so let's now try the neo-Nazi party! /s
Why is ZH following the mockingbird media mantra of "Golden Dawn NEO_NAZI !!!". The demonization propaganda of the victors still going on 70 years later ? I mean how about Golden Dawn NEO-PATRIOT party ? or Golden Dawn PRO_GREEK party or simply NATIONALIST party ? I mean all governments are socialist these days so it cant be the socialist part of national socialist that ALL media demonises, ergo Nationalism is automatically eeevil to the owned and occupied media ?
Everyone has an angle, everyone wants to convince you of something. Its your job to think for yourself.
Everything you read was writen by someone with something to sell.
Just because you read it doesnt mean you have to buy it.
How about you let us Greeks decide who is Neo-Nazi and who is a patriot, will ya? If you're so fond of murdering people for the color of their skin or for standing up against those who accumulate all means of production, maybe you should run with your own "patriot" party of nazi,brain-dead,small (or big) time criminals, sex offenders etc. Yes that's what golden dawn is, now gtfo
Lol Bag of meat . You do realise you just described every major political party in existance ?
Bag of Meat.. Golden DAWN is helping the greeks who have vast immigration issues especailly all the eastern islands were Turkey is illegally dumping them to Greek soil.. Also they give food out and help elders in Greece.. Between you and issallgreektome is why Greece is the way it is today!!
FYI and because i like you "the Greek Horse", you are trashtalking me to someone else.In Greece this is called katinia therefore you can be properly and orderly called a katina.Look it up please,and be careful next time it is not a good thing for a man to be branded as a katina.
On a note back to reality,which so many -and so gallantly!- avoid at all costs:
The golden Dawn affiliates and sympathisers in the islands welcome the refugees with every joy in order to financially skin them in every way.Selling them clothes,services,shelter and/or transportation at 300% + prices.
But hey,ideology and patriotism aside they do what they can do to gain sth from the situation.
By the way in 150 THOUSANDS of people that have passed by the islands in July alone, there were something like 200 petty thefts.Pretty lower than what was suspected by fearmongers,dont you find?
Sarcasm aside thing WILL go worse in coming winter.And it is a job for the state to deal with that,and not an armed street gang's (comprised of supporters of a certain political party) job,wouldnt you agree?
Unless you are frequently taking the law into your hands along with your buddies in New York,where you reside,too.Then by all means, you are a true believer and a relentless man of action.
The PRO_GREEK label is freshly added,the paint isnt even dry yet.They totally are neo-nazi freaks and thugs.Personally I wouldnt mind if they were nationalists.Or Patriots.
But I cant and I WONT stand aside and let Hitler admirer's shitting all over my anchestor's graves.Greece lost much in WW2.Because of the loss we never got around to actually punish the nazi collaborators,we 've let them be.
And now this has come back to haunt us.
they are nazis . this isn't even up for debate. google around and you will see the connection. Their own literature praised Hitler, the man responsible for the death of 10% of Greeks and the burning, raping, pillaging, and execution of over 1000 Greek villages
You know, Greece actually has a big ass army by Euro-weenie standards. Maybe they should invade Germany and sack the place.
And, while they're at it take a cue from the Russians and ass rape everyone on the way to Berlin saving Frau Merkel Jerkyl for last.
Or this cue:
Reports from the Catholic Archive
The work, which came out in German on Monday, takes a closer look at the rape of German women by all four victorious powers at the end of World War II. In particular, though, her views on the behavior of American GIs are likely to raise eyebrows. Gebhardt believes that members of the US military raped as many as 190,000 German women by the time West Germany regained sovereignty in 1955, with most of the assaults taking place in the months immediately following the US invasion of Nazi Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/book-claims-us-soldiers-rape...
So only 15-20 % voted for anti euro party if I'm not wrong... Keep digging your grave !
"Far right Golden Dawn to get between 6.5% and 8.0%"
Golden Dawn is NOT far right! Putting Fascism on the far right is perpetuated by leftists in order to separate themselves from extreme nationalism. Anarchy is on the far right!
See Fascism is NOT Far Right!
The leftist-rightists are now claiming anarchy fits somewhere on their scale? Time to ditch that divide and conquer propaganda and start thinking for yourselves.
"Golden Dawn is NOT far right! Putting Fascism on the far right is perpetuated by leftists in order to separate themselves from extreme nationalism."
I agree 100%.
Years of MSM, the left-wing educational establishment and socialist political brainwashing has taken its toll on truth.
The Left simply cannot admit that every despot and dictator in history has come from their ranks.
Just so long as they don't make us start saying "Heil Tsipras" LOL...........
Anarchism is neither left nor right.
Anarchism - government • baldness - hairdo.
I covered this topic at length in the following link. It is specific to the US, but could easily apply to any country in Europe. The left-right parties today are, actually, both on the left. And, major Progressive and Conservative political parties have a vested interest in keeping it that way.
The US Spectrum
Theatre, nothing more.
The politicians are there to make you think you have a choice.
You Don't
One of the many gems from Mr. Carlin.
"The left-right parties today are, actually, both on the left."
+10.
Spot on.
Who really cares about the outcome? They are safe for the next 3 years, that's why it's a complete no-brainer....and will remain one, whoever is at the helm.
Low IQ article aimed at leftist trolls wishing to blame YET ANOTHER crony socialist economic collapse on something other than.....it's a crony socialist economy.
Anti-Semites wearing Che T-shirts will dig this article. Only missing the needed references to Area 51, unicorns and tooth fairy.
Yeah Greece, everthing is fixed now.
What a fucking farce.
Yeah, fixed as in neutered.
The new guy is the old guy.
"Yeah Greece, everthing is fixed now.
What a fucking farce."
Trajedy. They're Greek, not Roman.
Greek fatigue is only surpassed by Gay fatigue.
Nobody, quite frankly, gives a fuck about it anymore.
What a naiv BS. It doesn't matter who wins, as long as Greeks are not ready to default, Greece will be governed by some technocrats from Brussels.
If the Establishment of a European country calls a group "nazi", you can bet that they actually represent the interests of the non-elite people in that country. They do the same thing in France and Britain.
No matter who wins you will have more elections in 6 months.
Greece does not have any government, its just a few clowns trying to milk the cow before it dies.
The Greek military has to take over and kick the Euro Banker Trash out, then maybe you can have "real" elections that "almost matter".
Any Greek who thinks anything in Greece will get better without leaving the Euro is delusional... at this point the only reason Europe even wants Greece in the Euro is to steal whatever they can (airports, utilities, mining rights, land, islands, artifacts, gold, pensions) you name it, if its not bolted down Europe will steal it unless Greece leaves.
Not far from the truth Dre4wolf, within a few short months the labotomized serfs will be either in the streets demonstrating as the hunger bites or have died of starvation quietly .
Army does not really exist in Greece, generals sold the few working weapons and replaced them with replica copies, the look good in military parades but can hardly take over the government with them.
Greeks do not think otherwise they would not be dying from more Greek from the Germans ... :) YOLO truth above all, wahrheit uber alles.
My conscription service ended not a long ago.I can assure you there are many,many working weapons (and not any replica copies).We have a buttload of m1 garands from ww2 too, that can totally rip your fingers off whilst loading.
Army surely exists but after the bad rap they got the last 2 times they "tried to help" and teh disasters their "help" caused .. they pretty much will wait it out -no matter what- till there is an external threat or help involved.
"but before closing it's worth noting that incredibly, neo-Nazi Golden Dawn came in third place and garnered the most support among the country's unemployed masses:"
ZH, thanks for covering this, because if you truly support liberty and the self-determination of free peoples throughout the world, it is important for you to cover developments in Greece – especially as they relate to the fortunes of the rapidly growing Golden Dawn party.
Some of your depiction of Golden Dawn in this article was balanced.
However, I am concerned that you refer to Golden Dawn as “neo-Nazi”. The term “Nazi” was invented by the cabal as a pejorative term to denigrate the National Socialist Party in Germany (who never referred to themselves as Nazi’s and who are rightfully credited with rescuing the German people from economic catastrophe) or anyone else who doesn’t march lock step (as they would project that Nazi’s do) to their agenda.
The fact is that Golden Dawn is the only true hope for the native Greek people to regain their national pride, Greek culture and self-determination. The other parties, being extremely liberal and completely controlled by the cabal, have failed the people, undermined Greek culture, and economically raped the country for their benefit.
If you had better grounding in recent Greek history, you would realize that it is not “incredible” at all that the true Greek people would increasingly support Golden Dawn. They care about their children’s future.
The leadership of Golden Dawn has been systematically imprisoned for thought crimes, without due process of law by these same cabalist controlled regimes. ZH purports to be an advocate of the liberty movement and the self determination of all peoples. This persecution of Golden Dawn at the hands of these regimes would be an excellent topic for a future article – if you wish to stay true to your principles.
Meanwhile, I believe your journalistic integrity would be maximized if you refrained from referring to Golden Dawn with the cabalists invented pejorative label “Nazi”. Doing so simple makes ZH look journalistically ignorant of the true facts on the ground in Greece. Worse, using the term perpetuates the slander of both the German and Greek peoples.
Ignorance shows itself with neon colors dear commenter.Golden Dawn IS neo-nazi -no other way around it.But yeah the term has a lot of negativity (wonder why..) and I agree with you to some extent.Apart that part of "every true Greek"-Every true Greek would rather die than kneel/and or salute to any fuhrer or nazi-sympathiser.Golden Dawn's rise is due to youth unemployment and the vent it offers to youth's anger against the system and because of their shattered hopes and future.The support GD gets will rapidly fall again when they show their true colors -again,as it did after the murder of Pavlos Fyssas,when all GD members took a sick leave the week after,because they were afraid of everyone.)
The problem with Golden Dawn is greater than the sum of its parts.
1.they are neo-nazis Hitler admirer's in a country that suffered a great deal under German occupation.
2.they think they are experts at subterfuging but they forget they didnt make the "patriotic" and "pro greek" turn until they were given affirmations by their handlers that they are gonna play a role in parliament,in 2011.
3.they bring along the worst nepotism any regime aside dictatorships have seen.Every sister/daughter/wife/cousin/son of the trusted 20man circle of the fuhrer is appointed a paid position under their relatives.
4.they are backed by the greek billionaire ship-owners and agree not to touch their tax-free status.
5.they try to use religion to lure in people,thus trying to create an amalgam of christian orthodox national sosialists that cant stand byitself and has to be enforced with threats.No devout christian would hunt in the night with 20 other people to harm immigrants,or find it ok to kill or maim anyone speaking greek if he is against golden Dawn.
teutonicate very well put!! You are a realist that is what I respect about you!! Itsallgreektome is blinded by the truth he is going to get what he deserves... Learn how to bow to your masters... And I am sorry but immigrants coming to Greece is by social engineering to dismantle the country and send Europe into chaos.. The biggest mistake Greeks/politicians made they let Russia down and Mr. Putin will not forget that.. The Greeks will pay for that because when the shit hits the fan THE big bad BEAR will turn it's back on them.. Itsallgreektome Golden Dawn is your problem but with your tunnel vision. like most GREEKS,, Golden Dawn was the solution.. Every smart ZH person knows they would have align themselves with Russia!!!
Again you are trashtalking me to someone third,avoiding any points or arguments I ve made,just labeling and cursing,attacking the commenter because you cant counter the arguments..An attitude of a preschooler or an miseducated villager with a medievil mind.So you have proven indeed to be a katina. And I am really sorry to bring these news to you,cause I like you,and I believe you have some love for the ol'country of yours, amidst the sea of misinformation you are swimming in,unaware and unwilling to check facts and separate them from fiction or blatant propaganda.It saddens me,it really is.
Anyway, I dont reserve relevant or equal counter curses for you,my fellow, as it is my personal belief that noone deserves to live in fear (of the unknown,of the "other",or even of words).
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.
Unfortunately Golden Dawn supporters as proper nazis they are,dont have a way with words.They rarely understand them,they never analyse them,and they never doubt/question them if they come from persons they think are of a higher class than them (their leaders).So in spite of words they use sticks (mud slinging anyone that urges them to pause and think) and stones (to whoever talks too much or is in any way independent) to break them.Coward tactics,both.
P.S. If you of all people -an American of greek descent- love so much Putin,or think Russia is not a mere counter measure/helping hand but the REAL ACTUAL SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING incarnate in Greece right now.,
please oh so very please tell me WHY dont you go there yourself?You know,in Russia.You know..The land of the brave and home of the free..ehm.
If you are half-decent -in your trading job- your earnings will be greate..Who I am kidding?You do FOREX, you are more aware than me of the richer life you would be subjected to,if you made the same money you make now,but lived in Russia.And you would be closer to your relatives.You could propably even get a greek-eu passport that would make you a sizeable trade partner in Russia.(adding your experience,skills and the recent measures against russia).You could even found a company front in Greece!
So,again, if you will,please share with me the burden than keeps you stranded in NY?Financial?Liquidate everything and fly over to the East!Family?Such an avid Putin supporter and a great orator of all sorts,such a vivid pinnacle of logic would have no trouble at all to convince his family to move to Russia!Legal/passport/American status?Come in Greece,burn your American one and get Greek one,as of Greek descent!What is actually holding YOU back dear Jerry?
itsallGreektome> I got to give you the respect you deserve you are a scientist much more educated then me and went all the WAY as the saying goes! Me I dropped out of high school because nothing I had interest was being taught to me. Needless to say troubled part of NYC ( BRONX) were real gangs stabbed each others and countless, senseless drive by shootings nothing like you seen for the better of course..I was sent to Greece about dozen of times to Kefalonia beautiful island to get away from the violence.. never give up I struggled to become an independent Forex trader were 5%percent win only.. Yo Bro I see Athens and even other areas of Greece looking like my old neighborhood.. The US Government CIA contributed a lot of the weapons and narcotics expedited to neighborhoods.. Syriza is in controlled now I also heard Tsipras say that there are NO borders in the ocean to deflect the Immigration issue that is flooding Greece from the problem my Government created.. They displaced all these refugees from wars Americans started we are good for that.. Golden Dawn is probably the only line in the sand between us. That guy that got killed by Golden Dawn he tried to drag the other guy out of the car I also here his (stage) name rapper name is killer B.. LOL You are a smart man if I intruded in your house or even your car do you have a right to defend yourself? Also Megale We know there were Golden Dawn members shot down like the wild wild west 19th century TEXAS!!Only in Athens.. Where are there murders have they been reprimanded or/and captured!?! You see my fellow Greek friend I can't even go to Greece now because it's more dangerous and deemed unsafe as the immigrants are undocumented which means there less likely to be caught if a crime goes down.. Golden Dawn that swatsika the Germans use was stolen from ancient greeks and was manipulated.. This is my opinion when you state someone is crazy/nazis like Golden Dawn you dismiss them.. In My life the people who were consider crazy were the smart ones.. Albert Einstein was consider crazy at what point he could not talk in till he was 4, and he always thanked his math teacher in school for pushing him coincidentally he was of Greek like us.. As far as Russia is concern it's a line in the sand for Greece saying to the USSA and the ECB Troika Fuck You we do not want to deal with you bastards anymore look at would you have created!! Maybe one day I would come to Greece and stop by Athens and see you there to finish this debate lunch will be on me.. In till then take care and be SAFE!!
What the hell? Nine months ago the same people voted against and now for even worst austerity that in January was handed to them. Are they insane?
But there is an answer to this question from:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/notes-on-buddy-politics/
An excerpt:
And more answers why Syriza won today from:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/greek-odyssey-through-debt/
An excerpt:
But there is even bigger much bigger answer to what in the world is going on:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/matrix-of-control-a-s...
If you vote you are complicit in the crimes of government.
All governments act like the Mob.
Voting validates their criminal game.
the truth.
Greek people now live in utter apathy, paralysed by the realisation they cant escape any of this unscathed.
Never underestimate the fear of a sheep stuck between a ..wolf and a hard place.
If this doesn't fix Greece, they can always have another election.
They could have an election a week - still won't make any difference.
This is somehow surprising?
Fuck the "Bubble and Squeaks" How DUMB must one be to vote for a party that ignored the mandate from the masses, who instead participated in betrayal and treason against the Greek peoples? My empathy for the Greeks has now evaporated. Go on TROIKA, rape their fucking arses, for stupidity on such a scale should be duly rewarded with Sovereign asset forfeiture by the TROIKA and associated financial parasites.
Want to know about Golden Dawn? Check it out for yourself:
http://www.xryshaygh.com/
Just click the English flag icon in the top right of the screen to translate.
Enjoy!
you can also read about Golden Dawn practices,beliefs and actions taken here.Check it out for yourself:
http://jailgoldendawn.com/international/
Enjoy!