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US Syria Strategy Officially Unravels: Kerry Admits Timetable For Assad Exit Is Completely Unknown
On Saturday we brought you the latest from Syria where the Assad regime’s rejuvenated forces carried out aggressive air raids on ISIS positions for a second consecutive day on Friday, striking targets in Idlib and Palmyra, the UNESCO heritage site that fell to Islamic State in May.
The latest round of bombing came just 24 hours after regime planes hit the de facto ISIS capital at Raqqa, and served notice not only to the multifarious anti-government fighters operating in Syria, but also to the US, Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, that Russia’s stepped up logistical and technical support is already paying dividends.
The arrival of four Sukhoi "Flanker" jets and presence of eight Russian military helicopters further underscored the extent to which Moscow is now preparing to play a pivotal combat role and by Friday, Washington was left with little choice but to put Defense Secretary Ashton Carter on the phone with his Russian counterpart. Here’s how we described the situation currently facing the US:
Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington’s bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn’t about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them. The genius of that move is that if Washington does indeed coordinate its efforts to fight ISIS with Moscow, the US will be fighting to stabilize the very regime it sought to oust.
The game, as they say, is officially up for Washington. Toppling Assad will now mean ISIS, al-Nusra, YPG, and the various and sundry other groups operating throughout the country will need to first defeat Russia, an exceptionally unlikely outcome and one that the Pentagon certainly cannot afford to wait out.
All that’s left now is for Washington to try and save face by negotiating for some manner of deal that removes Assad from power, but even that now looks less than likely. Speaking from London on Saturday, John Kerry attempted to hang on to the “Assad must go” narrative, but in what might fairly be described as the most conciliatory language yet, Washington’s top diplomat essentially admitted that the timetable for Assad’s exit is now completely indeterminate. Here’s Reuters:
Speaking after talks with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond in London, Kerry called on Russia and Iran to use their influence over Assad to convince him to negotiate a political transition.
Kerry said the United States welcomed Russia's involvement in tackling the Islamic State in Syria but a worsening refugee crisis underscored the need to find a compromise that could also lead to political change in the country.
"We need to get to the negotiation. That is what we're looking for and we hope Russia and Iran, and any other countries with influence, will help to bring about that, because that's what is preventing this crisis from ending," said Kerry.
"For the last year and a half we have said Assad has to go, but how long and what the modality is ...that's a decision that has to be made in the context of the Geneva process and negotiation."
Kerry added: "It doesn't have to be on day one or month one ... there is a process by which all the parties have to come together and reach an understanding of how this can best be achieved."
Note that this a far, far cry from the hardline rhetoric the US was still clinging to just months ago and it marks a tacit recognition of what should have been obvious from the very beginning. That is, the US backed effort to assist Qatar and the Saudis in destabilizing the Assad regime was doomed from the start.
In retrospect, the idea was ludicrous to the point that one wonders how it’s possible that US intelligence officials ever seriously considered it. The notion that Washington and its regional allies could effectively engineer a popular rebellion in Syria by providing support to a multitude of ragtag Sunni extremist groups without plunging the country headlong into chaos is laughable.
The Assad regime is a pillar (if not the pillar) of Iran’s efforts to expand its regional influence and Syria serves as a critical link between Tehran and Hezbollah. Quds Force and its spymaster general Qassem Soleimani have supported the Assad regime both financially and militarily for years and that support hasn't and probably will never will wane. “I don’t think the Iranians are calculating this in terms of dollars. They regard the loss of Assad as an existential threat,” a Mid-East security official told The New Yorker in 2013. “Suleimani told us the Iranians would do whatever was necessary, he said ‘We’re not like the Americans. We don’t abandon our friends’”, an Iraqi politician added. And here is Assad last week: "The relationship between Syria and Iran is an old one. It is over three-and-a-half decades old. There is an alliance based on a great degree of trust. That’s why we believe that the Iranian role is important.”
And let’s not forget that the flip side to the now well-known Qatar-Turkey natural gas pipeline (i.e. the pipeline that would have served to undercut Gazprom’s stranglehold over Europe’s energy needs and that Assad refused to sign off on, triggering the all-out effort to destabilize his regime) is the Islamic Pipeline which, you’ll note on the map below, goes from Iran through Iraq (where Suleimani’s influence is legendary both in government and militarily through the various Shiite militias battling ISIS) to Syria and, conveniently, through Lebanon which works out very nicely for Hezbollah.
What Putin’s role ultimately would be in the Iran-Iraq-Syria line isn’t entirely clear but the project would compete with the Southern Gas Corridor, which is obviously good for Russia and it seems likely that in one way or another, Moscow, via its influence in Tehran and Damscus, would end up benefiting. Indeed, the fact that Assad signed an MOU for the Islamic Pipeline shortly after citing Gazprom's interests in rejecting the Qatar-Turkey line certainly seems to suggest that Russia had already negotiated for a piece of the pie. As a refresher, recall the following from The Guardian ca. 2013:
In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."
Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.
The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.
With all of that in mind, it’s incomprehensible that the US ever believed its strategy in Syria had a chance of succeeding. Washington and Riyadh were attempting to simultaneously subvert Tehran’s regional ambitions, tip the Sunni/Shiite divide in favor of Sunni extremists against the Quds even as the US literally attempted to do the exact opposite in neighboring Iraq, and jeopardize Russia’s energy leverage over Europe at a time when that leverage was key to Russia’s bargaining position over Ukraine. To call that a fool’s errand is to be exceptionally generous.
So now, with the US strategy in tatters, Syria's fate will be decided essentially without Washington's input. Consider the following from Al-Monitor:
High-level talks are due to take place on Sept. 21 between Iran and Russia to discuss Iran’s “four-point plan” for Syria. A senior Iranian official who spoke on condition of anonymity told Al-Monitor that while the details of the plan were still a work in progress, the first stage aimed to contain and deplete IS, with the second stage focused on reaching consensus over the type of government in control of Damascus and Assad’s future role.
In other words, while President Rouhani keeps Obama and Kerry busy with the Mickey Mouse Iran Nuclear Deal, the Ayatollah and Soleimani will be hard at work with Putin and Assad designing Syria's future.
And finally, lest we should forget that this entire debacle has created a refugee crisis of historic proportions, we leave you with the following quote from John Kerry, who once again refuses to acknowledge that while Bashar al-Assad may not be the most benevolent leader history as ever known, and while regime forces have certainly contributed to human suffering on a massive scale (see Yarmouk), the bottom line is that Syrians are not running from Assad, they are running from the civil war that the US and its allies helped to engineer:
John Kerry: "I just know that the people of Syria have already spoken with their feet. They're leaving Syria."
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Lurch/Weiner 2016!!!
Zhedge you keep referring to "gas pipelines"... yea, that may be a factor, but the agenda is completely to expand a "greater Israel" and hence "Rothchildlandia" (pipelines or not), return the Arabs back to the stone age.
Kerry admits the whereabouts of his brain is completely unknown.
The thesis presented is incongruent with the Iran Nuclear deal going on right now ... am I missing something?
Regards,
Cooter
Isis is a neo-con creation that Obama never wanted
Iran nuke deal is Obama's revenge.
Maybe
America ruins the world to rule it.
America creates chaos, civil wars, refugees, to further its CIA administered, diabolically conceived schemes, to maintain its petro dollar, to fund its army.
What a wonderful world, imagine all the trade and business of natural allies, without America and its Zios and its medieval muslim kings in there intentionly fucking it up.
It's not over.
ZATO will just have to conjure up a false flag to insert boots on the ground south through Turkey and north through Iraq.
Although, they have a limited window in which to get this done.
Russia keeps the coastline but ZATO gets the interior.
USA=bankrupt
Russia=not bankrupt
who is a true super power? power? super? true?
USA=bankrupt
Russia=not bankrupt
For now yes, but I keep wondering if this Syria thing isn't some western strategy to draw Putin into another Afghanistan, and thus bankrupt him.
I am sure he has considered this.
Remember what Vietnam proxy war did the the US.
Assad is freedom.
Europe is the New Syria.
You mean, as in "Never"?
What does Assad have to do with ISIS
He dared to fight the zionist merc army....hence he is "evil" and must go....get to know your ziologic 101,liberal logic is derived from it....
Look at the map. The Qatar pipeline does not need to go through Syria.
It can go through Jordan, Israel and then into the Mediterranean. Into the Mediterranean just like the Arab pipeline.
It's just a line on the map. Israel was going to hook up to this pipeline even if it ran through Syria.
Yes, I can't see why Syria & Lebanon are considered essential for a Qatari pipeline, either.
The fact is: Israel wants for Assad to be gone and a puppet state installed, or, failing that, chaos a la Libya. This pipeline BS is just an attempt to distract from the fact that Qatar & Saudi (and the other various Sunni dictatorships) are in league with their supposed "enemy" Israel.
They all exist at the behest, and the whim, of London.
And London has been working since at least the U.S. Civil War to have the USA exist at their whim as well. Wouldn't you know it, now it does.
#"It can go through Jordan, Israel..."
No it can not Maltese. None of these Muslim places wants to be seen openly doing business with the Zionists. See the Mosul Haifa pipeline to illustrate the point.
Then it can go through the red sea to Egypt.
However the idea of Arab non-cooperation with Israel has clearly jumped the shark.
Syria isn't Afghanistan, totally different topography. And Russia doen't need to do the heavy lifting in Syria; the Syrian Arab Army has already shown it's mettle. With fresh supplies, intel assistance, the help of Hezballah and Iran all coordinating together, ISIS can be broken up toute de suite.
>>>>>>>> Vlad
>>>>>>>> Kazarian zionist gangbangers
I'm thinking something near the oil fields in northern saudi. Or on the border of Turkey. But how do we bus the crisis actors over there?
By some amazing coincidence, a Russian tanker sailing in international waters has been siezed by Libyans. Acording to the owner, the ship was empt at the time. Watch out for a flase-flag action blaming Russia.
Right Howdy. No oil on board. The jihadis did it to seize the crew, it looks like. Now, how did these jihadis know how to vector their craft to find this vessel, way offshore in international waters? The jihadis have satelite tracking info now? Thanks to Langley, I guess they do.
What's the difference between an Islamic Jihadist and a Green Beret?
Plausible deniability.
For now.
" If you want to keep Anthony Weener, you can keep Anthony Weener. "
... and his wife, Huma Abedin.
Are you high?? Obama is on the side of Muslim extremists everywhere. That includes BOTH Iran and ISIS. The only reason that U.S. policy in Syria is so completely fucked up right now is that Iran and ISIS are on opposite sides and it's super hard to support elements on both sides of a conflict without looking like a complete jackass!
This is the problem with Muslim fanatics: they spend as much time fighting each other as they do fighting non-Muslims. If you're pro Muslim, like Obama is, it makes it really tough to figure out who to back at any given moment!
Obama is on the side of his masters, the ones who sow division and strife globally. Divide and conquer, AND PROFIT.
obam is as much a Muslim as Bill Clinton is a monogamist
Really? Then explain this interview where he admits being a Muslim.
http://t.co/EdxCqeo6y9
Obama is a narcissist and an atheist; he easily orders drone strikes that have killed thousands of civillians. He serves whomever will put him and keep him in office. No genuine professing Muslim would kowtow to Nuttyahoo as Obama did in 2008 in order to get the 400 million dollars of Wall street money he needed. Study political ponerography; slick sociopaths are put in charge of us by the ruling sociopaths.
Buckaroo, leave Iran alone. What is your beef with Iran?
Looks like you have over exposed yourself to MSM drivel. Step away from the TV.
I'm long big explosions in Russia
Yes.....perhaps a few obscure chemical storage facilities...?
I have this "don't say it, DO IT"! conversation with my boys all the time. "I was gonna mow the grass... the grass has to go... but, I didn't, and now it's three feet tall... and, if, but, wishes, nuts...."
Reports indicate it was last seen near his ass.
I think you really need to broaden your world view a bit. Through their apparent incompetence, Obama and Kerry are actually working with the rest of the world to save your ass. They are not as dumb as you believe, and inversely, you're not as smart as you believe. There is a global plan to restore the semblance of humanity, by finally constraining the thugs / overlords / criminals of the world, Call it the Age of Aquarius, or the new dawn, or whatever, but basically, this is going to be an epic shift in human thinking and civilization, so instead of insulting these people, consider that their incompetence is really their complicity in a much bigger event you're not considering.
MDB is that you?
I didn't see a sarc tag, so I'm not sure...
The most clueless comment I've seen on ZH in a very long time. Lmao
Pass round summa dat dere sheet you done be smokin...
They just put peanut butter on his gums to make it look like he's talking.
Did I steal that from an old post?
It fell down into the pouch, otherwise known as his chin.
Gas resources theories were being pushed during the beginning of the Ukraine war, it's a very good topic for propaganda to hide the real agenda.
the "real" agenda as opposed to the surreal....
the agenda is - always - MONEY
the gas transmission is both a local money ball and a way to destabilize Russia permanently until the 9 times zones can be controlled by Washington DC
What in your view is the real agenda?
Don't know, it's almost never the thing currently in the news. The news are always several dozens of steps behind and I'm afraid some real agenda is never going to be exposed. This is how it's been working for centuries.
"The news are always several dozens of steps behind and I'm afraid some real agenda is never going to be exposed."
The mainstream news can't be right anymore, bc they do no investigation. They stay in walled hotels when in war zones. Remember that Bradley Manning video of the Apache targeting a journalist? Their sound bites are now legendarily the same across networks and everything. They report what they are told.
The only place to find fairly intelligent reporting is from the independent media (alternative media). Not the big productions like info wars either. I'm talking the lone wolves out there, or even small journalistic blogs. ZH is good too, like this article showsshows. But everything has to be read with a discerning eye.
I agree with your statements, it's accurate. Unfortunately, not everything is exposed / revealed, so a lot of stuff appears to be conjecture, but there are often inside sources for a lot of opinions / hypotheses... and then there are just pure speculation.
Who, in your view, are the 'thugs', 'criminals' and 'overlords' of the world...? Please specify.
The 911 commission chair Zelikow even said that the Iraq war was never about oil but instead was about the safety of Israel
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/philip-zelikow-on-iraq-threat-and.html
It was about different things for different groups. Israel-Firsters were interested in advancing Greater Israel, Cheney in oil extraction and profits, GW Bush - to show he was more of a man than Daddy Bush, MIC - profits as usual, etc, etc.
Right, that's how you put a criminal gang together for a criminal enterprise. Something for each hoodlum participant.
Russia will surely suspect that anything we do, agree upon, will have the removal of Assad as the primary mission. Meaning we will continue to stumble over ourselves, waste millions more, all the while not having a clue of who or what could evolve a post Assad Syria. At this point, can't image the Syrian's supporting whatever concept we contrive?
The tenor of the article is based on the assumption that the US should have some say in when Assad leaves, why is that? Why the fuck does the US have any say in any damn thing the leader of another country does or says? If they aren't directly threatening the US, and I mean directly, not some obscure rationale that can't be elaborated on because of the old chestnut they usually pull out called "national security", then the US should shut the fuck up and sit down. We don't need to stick our noses into anyone elses business given how screwed up our country is and getting worse!
Because International bankers run us; that they happen to be jewish means that our foreign policy will be completey beholden to Nutty State (aka Israel)
Listen, Billy and all the rest who go on and on about how it's all a NWO, Zionist, Jewish Conspiracy. By focusing your rage and indignation on this amorphous race/tribe/people/ect; you are just turning off and alienating people that ZeroHedge and others are trying to wake up.
Because of the Holocaust, Jews of every description have special victim-hood status. Pointing out that evil and unjust things are occurring because of a group of people, who loosely trace their heritage 4,000 years back to goat herders, is not helping. It's like smacking a woman if you're a man. Sure, she hit you…but you can't hit back. She's a woman; you're a man; You don't hit chicks; those are the rules.
Is their a Zionist, Bankster world conspiracy? Probably so; but it does no good to bring it up because it wreaks of blind bigotry and most folks just turn their brains off and stop listening the moment they connect that you are insinuating that someone is inherently evil because of their race or genetics.
JEWS DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THEIR SPECIAL VICTIM STATUS. Why the hell do you think we hear all these stories of Swastikas or Anti-Semetic graffiti showing up, only to find out later that it was a JEW WHO DID IT?!
YOU ARE JUST PLAYING INTO THIER HANDS BY RANTING AND RAVING ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING WRONG IN THE WORLD IS THE FAULT OF A JEWISH CONSPIRACY!
Enough!
Focus on what you can prove. Leave the race and religion out.
and leave out the facts too, Right Mostly Idiotic?
Stop attacking people for posting facts you don't like, Democoward.....
I thought Mostly Harmless made a good point, though it does appear on its fact to be a non sequitur. Certainly, the memory of the Nazi Holocaust is on this group's mind when they position geopolitically.
But all you can think of in rebuttal is some Junior High name mockery and a non sequitur of your own: that he's a Democrat voter.
Bet your tongue IS stunned.
@mostly harmless
So let's take another stab at this. To understand the "Jew" perforce requires a certain cognitive dissonance.
Yes, there was a Holocaust and infamous insanity reigned supreme throughout Europe for nearly a dozen years. None of us alive today can imagine the horror. It doesn't matter whether it was 6 million or one tenth of that. It happened, and that is all that counts. And Jews were especially singled out, as were homosexuals, communists, gypsies, and ultimately any person deemed an enemy of the Reich who spoke out against the terror, whether a catholic priest, world famous authors and artists, scientists, and intellectuals of all stripes.
Jews most of all were Hitler's nemesis, or convenient scapegoat. And he was singularly demonic in his reaction. But because of the rather peculiar DNA of the Jewish race (leaving out Kazarhian plagiarists) who are undeniably incomparably gifted with a higher than average human intelligence, none of these other slaughtered groups were as cohesive and capable of generating and maintaining their 'victimhood' and turning it into a successful crusade branding it as a badge of 'specialness. So, in an odd twist, kudos to the jews for holding on to a sense of righteousness and reminding us all interminably of the potential viciousness of human behavior. I suppose each and everyone of us has the ultimate right to plead their own cause.
That being said, as a commentor below mentions, over the millenia, there have been scores of historical expulsions of Jews from societies as disparate as Persia, Egypt, Greece, Spain, Italy, Russia, and England, to name but a few. Clearly, this cultural 'specialness' cultivated by generations of tightly inbred inculturation has led to a propensity to not only prosper, but to do so in such a manner that literally invites rejection and ultimately retaliation. Nor is this a modern problem, as even the historical Jesus apparently had his 'moment' with the money changers in the temple. So what gives here?
Today we are repeatedly inundated with our Blankfeins, Rubins, Nulands, Netanyahus, Dimons, Summers, and so many, many more of that odious ilk that are daily reminding us of the negative aspects of this 'jewishness'. The real tragedy is that apparently most Jews themselves have little, if any, insight into the this cultural duality, and the absolute inherent need to temper their zeal with an added measure of humility as a consequence. And this, despite the historical trail of tears they have left in their wake down through the centuries. It is apparently, and unfortunately, a cross that they will and must bear.
But that does not excuse non-jews from understanding this sometimes offensive and damning inherent nature of jewishness. One can, and must, condemn unbrideled banksterism, Zionist hegemonism, Israeli apartheid and Palestinian extermination exactly for what it is, hateful, self-serving, greedy, viscious, incomprehensible, and lacking humanity. And ultimately, when left unbridled, this must invite indignation, and eventually retaliation. And at the very same instant one must consider and honor the manifest contributions of thousands of musicians, scholars, scientists, writers, artists, and philosophers that the jewish race has provided humanity.
So, Mostly Harmless . . . both you and your antagonists are right and wrong. To mention the word Zion or Jew, or any other suspicious appelation demands nothing less than a complex and dissonant response. Anything less is dishonest.
skepsis
s101 +1000
Yeah, well I still think it should be OK to point out that 6 million jews didn't die in the holocaust without risk of being sent to jail. That's just me though, perhaps others don't have a problem with that law.
Agreed Chubbar. Suddenly, in this portion of the thread, the Zino mind control fog is thick. Mostly Harmless, you can put on a hair shirt and appologize for living. The Zinos will love it and embrace you. Check to see you still have your wallet when their done with you.
skepsis-- that was probably the most well-written comment that many of us have read recently. Well done.
No it wasn't. Just old school Zino propaganda on display. This is not 1946. We now have this thing called the internet. You can look stuff up. Dig deeper.
Don't confuse the Jews with Zionists. They're not always the same thing.
the problem is there have been MANY MANY holocaustS BEFORE the Jew Holocaust(TM) yet the Corporate Owned Media has been concentrating on THAT particular Holocaust(TM) AND stuffing THAT particular Holocaust(TM) down our collective throats for the last 70 years while actively ignoring and NEVER mentioning all the OTHER holocaustS that the world has had and the the world is collectively tired of it.
So the jewish Holocaust(TM) did hapen. So what? There was a Native American Holocaust(TM) in USA yet there is NO Native AMerican Holocaust museum in Washington DC but there IS a Jewish Holocaust(TM) museum in Washigton DC.
And YES, it IS damn important if it was 6 million or 3 million. Numbers matter. (how would you like if your bank account had a few morew zeroes after it?) If they lied about the numbers threy have most likely lied about OTHER things.
And we now know the lies about the Jewish Holocaust(TM):
1 there were NO lamp shades made of human skin
2 there was NO soap made of Jewish fat
3 the diatries of Annie Frank were written with a pen that didnt exist before the 1950s.
So the questionS here becomes: WHAT OTHER LIES HAVE THEY TOLD US? Remember that little lie about WMD in Iraq?
The loss of 25 million Russians in WWII is pretty holocausty too.
The 6 million figure apparently has some significance in Jewish religious texts - namely 6 million Jews would have to die before Israel came into being. No wonder religious Jews were pushing the story about the loss of 6 million Jewish souls from 1915 (always one half of the total Jewish population).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
Jews are not a "race".
Playing into the oligarchs plans, wasting time ranting and raving.
Whilst deep throating normalcy biased conformity spooge.
MMMM MOAR ! Moar MOAR !!
Look in the mirror before declaring clarity.
Not the refection in the screen we stare upon.
Own it.
Be like Putin, sound like Arnold, "Do it !"
Mostly Harmless , "Because of the Holocaust" ? Ok what if people take your suggestion to "unprove" that , would,nt this tribe then lose their "special victim status"
"I neva, eva, eva, hit a woman..
But ah shake the shit outa one"
-Chris Rock
On a trip a while ago I was travelling with a bunch of California liberals. Since 911 is the ultimate litmus test and we had been drinking and were discussing politics, I posited that it was not done by 19 Saudi coke heads who couldn't fly. Immeadately I faced a tirade about how they were sick of "anti-semites" who blamed 911 on the jews. It was as if a switch went off in their collective head (I experience this often with brainwashed Americans, especially in my large family who still live in libertyland).
So you say that we should all lie and pretend that everything the jews have done to the goy over the millenia never happened, because otherwise the jews, cryptojews, and the hypnojews (goys and jews under Zionist hypnosis) might not listen to us. Go fuck yourself, idiot.
I experienced the same thing with a friend while on vacation this summer. I never mentioned religion, culture or any alternative thesis other than the fact that Building 7 was a smoking gun that defied the official explanation and it was like a trigger went off that to oppose the official story suggested you were this monstrous anti-semite.
This is mind-control, plain and simple. Within and without so many cultures and religions this programming has slowly seeped in and crystalized like a hardened coating around the official mythos preventing honest questions about what happened that day.
It has to be tackled as a de-programming mind-control exercise IMO. Accordingly some can be saved and others just have to be left to be sacrificed by their operators.
That it would use, abuse, co-opt and enable one particular religion that is the acme of mind-control itself is quite telling...
It's programming... totally agree. The question is how, how do you deprogram. Are there techniques or tools that one can use in everyday interaction to try and short circuit programming. Like "Questioning 9-one one == anti semitism". If <------- that, is a programmed response, what will short it out?
I think it starts with simple questions in response to plant the seeds of de-programming, that said not all seeds will take as the soil will often be less than fertile.
Questions like:
You do know how to think for yourself so why do you depend on television and the government for all the answers? Is it not possible that you are not getting the whole story? I know you will only be convinced if you search for yourself...so you will have to comfort yourself in knowing that you did not fulfill this freedom or that you were brave enough to explore this opportunity.
It's not an emergency either. Take your time...no need to call 911 and have the government save you.
(Maybe not that last line...the sarcasm and resonant programming revealed might be too much at this time...lol)
Only once they can see they have been lied to and programmed will they then consider the full extent of the programming that is being used to advance this evil agenda.
Just have them do a search for "Mandrake Mechanism"
I dunnor; maybe something like
"it's funny how some people have told me that they think the pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane because there aren't any holes or marks where the 5 ton titanium bladed engines should have hit. I dunno, maybe they are crazy?"
"it's funny how some people made a real killing on 911, other than those Arabs of course; some people like Larry Siliverstein made alot...what a lucky, lucky man, putting down 14 million and then 42 days later making..oh, about 5 billion dollars on the rebuild"
"some people have told me that they think the 1400 foot tall wtc 1 exploded because at the bottom of the rubble there is a crater, not a pile of debris like you'd expect, and the center of the crater is....get this...at the same height at the street...at least that's what they tell me" I wonder what would make them think the building didn't pancake down? They tell me that the core of the buidling was really really strong, so they think that the rubble should be in the footprint I guess. They tell me that there's this video called "9/11 The towers of dust" on youtube and if you pause it at 1:17 you can see for yourself. I haven't ever done that thought.. Maybe we could look together?
It's funny how some people think Sandy hook never happened! They think that just because no EMS was allowed in 5 minutes after the shooting and only one guy, not sure who, just walked in there and said to them all 'hey there all dead in there. You can call off the helicoptors" . Some people said the polic dash cam didn't show any students leaving the building and the parking lot was empty except for a few cars all parked in a funny position as if a valet had done it. Oh yeah and they told me that not one parent or family member of any of them filed a lawsuit against the school; wow, must have been a first in history of a mass school shooting without a lawsuit....and the way those parents laughed during the interviews and were able to smile, brought tears to my eyes to see such strength in the face of tragedy. Maybe they can show that to people in Grieving groups..you know, to show them how you can laugh the next day when somebody dies whom you love deeply. Hey do you want to watch Robbie Parker laugh on youtube?
Its funny how some people think Vietnam was all made up because they said that the admirals can be heard talking and joking about it a few days later, saying they didn't find a single bullet hole of the battle that president johnson told the country had killled alot of american boys.
This video is instructive. I have used it to try and waken some of the programmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
Yeah, that's a good one. Short and Pointy :-)
Lawson also did this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJUP-Ry7d0
Pause it 1:17 and see the crater where wtc 1 stood; you can see a pole sticking up from the middle; look at the base of it and you can see that the base is at street level. So where did the rubble go? The crater shape is alone impossible in a gravity collapse but where in the heck is the rubble next to the walls that bend outward? Gosh it looks like the building was blown up from the center core?!
That one is excellent. I have not seen it before, thanks. A nice second act once you get their mind open to recognize an orange for what it is...to counter all the trauma-based mind control programing dumped in by the MSM so quickly after the event and with such repetitive vigilance.
The rabbit hole is indeed deep and twisted.
The takeaway from the collapse videos IMO is conservation of momentum. Where did all the energy come from to have WTC 7 uniformly collapse at near free-fall speeds into its own footprint and where did the energy come from to turn the Twin Towers to such a fine dust as they collapsed?
Not even conventional controlled demolition can explain the Twin Towers and adding some jet fuel to the mix to explain it feeds the willful ignorance that erupts in response to the cognitive dissonance when what you see cant be explained by what you are told.
I was in a cafeteria with co-workers in a tall building in the urban core of a major city in North America watching one of the Towers collapse on TV. This was before the official narrative had been deployed. When it collapsed people just left the building and went home not out of fear that a plane would necessarily hit that building but by using what they knew to that point and listening to their gut that what they saw was completely unnatural. The science and logic of the average layman at that moment signaled this was a tragedy that was beyond the cause of the explanation presented by their eyes....Airplanes, jet fuel...gravity.
And if such an unnatural act could happen to that building they were similarly vulnerable. The response was natural, the mind trauma expected but the programming that followed to direct the subsequent narrative was also a smoking gun on that day...a thread worth focusing on if the true operators are to ever be exposed.
I wrote a long diatribe a few days ago explaining more about the 'wtc 1 crater shaped rubble pile proof' that 911 was an inside job. Based on statistical mechanics and modeling wtc 1 as a bunch of blocks that collapse in a progressive manner from a pancake collapse or all at once (it doesn't matter), there can NEVER be a crater shaped rubble pile with a height at the center of zero feet in a trillion trials. The jet fuel, jet debris, fires, connections between elements of the model, none of it matters because when the debris hits the ground and each other, due to friction and due to the major mass of the tower residing in the steel reinforced concrete core and the 47 core columns and not the outside walls, the pieces SHOULD HAVE become centrally located about the center of the footprint, causing a 110 foot tall pile . This argument is about a million times more robust due to the statistics of the modeling (since changing any part of the collapse sequence will not change the final debris pile but would change what the collapse looks like dyanmically over the path of the collapse), than the many explanatiions involving dynamics, structural engineering, or material science as has been made by the 911 truth movement's experts.
No specific dynamic modeling assumptions are needed (and there can be millions of variations of just what beam failed first...etc); just look at the 'crater shaped' rubble pile whose center is at street level of the wtc and you can INSTANTLY AND ASSUREDLY tell that the government's story of collapse (from any reason) is complete and utter BS. Only explosives could have produced a crater; think of a roadside bomb.
Oh yes and there should be a huge amount of debris piled on the inside face of the scraggily walss bending backward. But there isn't!!! This can be modeled by any physicist or engineer using finite element analysis. Friction is the key; when blocks, rods, or other odd shaped elements collapse on each other, they jiggle around initially but the jiggling soon stops due to the kinetic energy being transferred to random molecular motion or heat energy in a few seconds.
(my long comment)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-12/psychopaths-are-running-world-former-us-marine-blows-whistle-syrian-false-flag-expos?page=1#comment-6543454
The towers look like they are exploding radially outward and IN FACT THEY ARE EXPLODING when they collapse. QED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dueVm1UGvXo
Speaking of deprogramming, see what Jewish, not Zionist Bobby Fischer had to say about it. Then the he was suddenly dead.
Youtube, chess legend, Bobby Fischer
Never confuse a progressive liberal democrap with the facts.
" the facts, ma'am. Just the facts." Jack Webb as Sgt Joe Friday in Dragnet
He was a droid programmed by Rachel Maddow.
Nuff said that a preponderance comes from the Left now as to cover the current Left leader in power. The Hegelian Dialectic says it would be in reverse if instead the Right was in power.
Were it not for race and religion, we wouldn't be having these problems.
Is Statism a religion?
Yes it is, just ask Larken Rose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jszKbJhx9I
Interesting post, Mostly Harmless. Last line wraps it up pretty nicely as far as I'm concerned. And you've cornered the problem accurately too. The thing is: each time I read words like kike, Hasbara or Zion in any given comment I immediately disconnect mentally thinking "Dear Lord, another mindless jew basher" and I don't bother to continue reading. Which might or might not be a shame.
No hasbara troll; the world has woken up to Nutty State. 911 was a false flag attack; the towers were blown up by Nutty State's supporters and 3000 Americans killed. Nutty State dual citizens, like Lucky Larry, profited from death. Jewish lives don't matter to the rabbis, if they live outside Israel and don't commit to living in Israel; only the lives of jews who live in Nutty State.
Google the Kastner affair; pre Nutty State operating out of jewish controlled palestine, worked with the Nazi's to send 700K jews to their deaths so that a select 2000 could ride a train through Switzerland to jewish controlled palestine
The Hungarian jews could have been told to run to Romania; only a few (less than fifty ss were in Hungary). The whole sordid affair was the real historiacal 'Sophie's Choice' and it will never become a hollywood movie
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/arendt.htm
While you're dwelling on facts, why don't you tell the class the reason(s) why Jews were expelled from 109 countries in recorded history. Jews good, everybody else bad?
Sorry no sympathy now. None. Millions have died because of the banksters and their rabbi supporters. Nutty State has to go.
Hmm, we'll talk to Iran...but not to Syria.
ZH has an agenda. Read the last part of their article where they make out Assad to be a brutal dictator. Assad had the country llving in peace, tolerant of all the religons. And not mired in debt, it was a stable economy.
As for Russia and Iran. Russia has not made a commitment to Syria. Putin has refused to deliver the S 300 missiles contracted for back in 2007. Russia has not fired a shot. not one. Putin hosted the leaders of the insurgents in Russia as his honored guests to negotiate the structure of a post Assad Syria. That is not support. That is self serving.
And now from this article:
What kind of support is it when two countries meet to decide war plans within the borders of a third country and how they will arrange the new goverment they will install and if they will allow the leader of the country to remain (or live)? If this is true, as the Putin lovers claim, then Putin and Iran are working on an agreement on what parts of Syria they want and how they will split it up. While Putin is trying to get agreement with the leaders of the insurgents over how much of former Syria they get to have.
With friends like these.
NOW, on the other hand these articles, not only suddenly being pushed hard on ZH but also in MSM, may simply be intended to make it appear Russia and Iran are a threat and Assad is their extension. That the west is trying to negotiate in good faith and is really against ISIS not Assad. And then set the stage for a more intense war in Syria to protect the Syrians against Russia and ISIS.
ZH has an agenda. Read the last part of their article where they make out Assad to be a brutal dictator.
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You are sadly misinformed. Let's go back to where this all started and WHY:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/exposed-syrias-backroom-deal-with-russia/
This has been about a natural gas pipeline and those anti-Assad "rebels" were funded and armed by the US. They have since become ISIS led by former top officers from Saddam's elite Republican Guard and former US-trained Afghan army officers. Russia is now defending Assad by fighting ISIS. But isn't that what WE are supposed to be doing?
It is a sad commentary that it is the US that has become entrapped in its growing web of lies and that what Putin is saying is much closer to the truth than what our own government is saying. Russia IS fighting ISIS because it is ISIS that is the mortal threat to a major Russian interest being protected by Assad.
While our corrupt ruling establishment is waging all-out war against the US shale companies that are producing oil at $21/bbl without the protection of the navy and without getting anyone killed, our government lies its way into WWIII. Meanwhile we being invaded by wave after wave of refugees that we created with the first lie.
TahoeBilly...you jewhating imbacile...
"jewhating imbacile"... LOL
Why do bigots like you think all jews are the same?
Because the way the Zino propaganda works, you have to conflate the Jews with the Zionists. That's not the way it is. Here's religious Jews in NYC expressing their anti-Israel feelings outside the Israeli consulate. YouTube.
I'm all for Jews and anybody else who just want to live and let live.
Re - ZH keeps clinging to their pipeline narrative. Exactly right. THEY are looking as much like Jofn Frankenstein Kerry a/k/a Herman Munster jr. as anyone these days.
Firstly, I laud them for covering the Syrian crimes that the West, Israel, Turkey, and the Gulf states are currently continuing to commit. However what is bullshit is the ongoing deceptive tone of the coverage including but not limited to:
* Continually using the pipeline angle as the gold star reason for this foreign terrorist occupation when this was was on the block years ago in the gu.ise of the standard western move of - force compliance or smash the country.
* Constantly painting the picture that Dr. Assad was somehow embattled and relied on outside support tin order to maintain his "minority" "regime's" "tenuous" grip on power. Syria is mostly Sunni, as is the army, as is the governmental positions. Dr. Assad is of alawi lineage ans secular. His wife and children are Sunni. You'd never know that from reading zerohedge.
* Constantly painting the Syrian Arab Army as at the point of exhaustion and ready to collapse. Indeed it has been a long 4 years, but the truth is that in recent months the momentum had only swung further to Syria, as Rebel ranks continue to shrink, and the overt support for them bu Turkey ( and covert by all other supposed good guy countries ) has become increasingly unpalatable.
* The Russian angle. I recall reading here that Russia was ready to walk away from "Assad." Note I say "Assad" because, again, the coverage seems to suggest they are supporting 1 man, not a country, with a popular leader. I missed the retraction now that seemingly every day their overt help and support is showcased here. Perhaps as cloud cover for previous journalistic bed shittings, the angle seems to be that Syria was on the brink of collapse, I mean the "ASSAD REGIME" was on the brink of collapse and the Russians flew in and literally the next day the tide of the war turned. Just like economic emergencies, things happen first slowly, then all at once. This momentum change has been building for months and the Russians have sailed in at the right time to maximize it.
To be fair, much of this comes in the guise of parroting other sources, but that it still not OK, and I assume most of the rest is for reasons other than "OMG NWO PUPPET MOUTHPIECE." So keep uo the god work in preporting but please try to be honest about it. We all love you guys either way. Beyond that, Nuke Riyadh / Doha, and most Western mongoloids will never understand just how much they have to thank Russia and Iran.
Re:Canadian Dirtlup
If pipeline and great jewish nations are not the driving factors in the Syrian conflict, could you elaborate on what is in you opinion?
I said nothing about the satanic aspirations of the zionist settler state. That is as germane as anything, to a degree. I only mentioned the never ending copy paste pipeline jeremiad at the end of every syria post here. A Pipeline isn't the front and center reasoning for this.
At the 10 thousand foot view, this is for control. This is the West maintaining their hegemonic, iron clad grip on the world. If Syria won't comply, then the government goes, or the country gets balkanized. They want to expand their control, thereby lowering the influence of their "enemies" ( Iran, Russia ).
Look at Yemen, look at libya, look at sudan, look at egypt, look at ukraine ( yanukovich grew a brain then was promptly color revolutioned out of existence ). They are all extensions of the same policies. Each one democratic color revolutions, not battles for pipelines.
AND - take note of the current article by ZH making point to even call the Golden Dawn party in Greece as neo nazi's.
Golden Dawn never was and still is not neo nazi's.
Dirtlump. You are a great guy. Yes, to most of what you said, but lay off the pipeline rant. A)There is a financial component to this conflict. The pipeline is part of that. B)There is a bit about strategic dominance by dominating the flow of energy. The pipeline is part of that. C)There is also something like tic-tac-toe, where the path of and existance of one side's pipeline can cut off the other side's access to A and B, above.
You seem to worry that acknowledging the finacial and realpolotik aspects of the pipeline is somehow going to obscure the evil that is Israel or hide the Oded Yinon plan. Instead, the [not gonna happen] Qatari pipeline was intended to be part of the mechanism to make Oded Yinon happen. Paveway made the eye openning point that if the Qataris ever did get their pipeline, it would miraculously transform into the Israeli Leviathan pipeline and the Qataris would be left with nothing for all the murder and mayhem they paid for.
Hope this helps. Enjoy the Molson or LaBatts. CB.
Looks like the 'cross hairs' are obviously come together over Syria huh?
Why on earth MUST Assad go?
Who are they to make such a demand?!
How about Obama & Kerry must go? And Bibii and Cameron and Harper and EVERY other ZATO puppet / figurehead...
Now THAT'S the deal should be sought!
TJ - Assad must go because the Zino-media and the Koodleman-Kagans put a lot of energy into concocting a story about why Assad must go, for the good of Greater Israel. This concocted story plays every day on the Zino-media world.
Maybe Assad can demand they turn over John McStain for trial and execution as a well-known terrorist supporter.
Another foreign policy success by the despicable fudgepacker. Who Wutta think it..
@ growing concern
Weiner/Holder 2016!!!
fuck Kerry. Horse's ass.
“Kerry said the United States welcomed Russia's involvement in tackling the Islamic State”
Yeah but .. he said that while clenching his teeth and fist, holding his nose and suppressing the urge to vomit.
Kerry's hypocrisy on why the refugees are leaving are an embarassmemt
Worst. secretary of War. Ever working for a downright evil Nobel Peace "winning" President
Bunch of murdering savages backed by banksters.
"Slip-sliding away.
Slip-sliding away.
You know the nearer your destination, the more you're slip-sliding away."
Like to see Kerry in a bicycle race across Libya.
North to South
How about "regime" change in America, top to bottom?
But it's not a "Regime" in Wasedupington, it's the bestest amd mostest freely and democrapically elected gunvernment on earth.
Amen!
The lawless psychotics in DC will get us all killed. They will continue to squander the military like expendable pawns until they are gone. They will continue to burn through tax money playing destructive foreign policy games from the safety of conference rooms stocked with all-you-can-eat buffets courtesy of the tax payers they rob.
Their plans to control one land mass or another require mass murder for implementation yet they are never questioned about the bloodshed. They account to no one, the laws do not apply to them, so they continue uninterrupted until our entire social system is rendered unsustainable. Then they will destroy what is left of this country.
My goodness--the government eunuchs are up early. What's the matter? You don't like us discussing your theft and murder plans?
Relax and get a grip...
It's just business, you know?
Sure, it's business as long you're not the recipient.
US strategy for Syria was to use ISIS to destabilize and destroy Syria. Now that Russia has entered the picture, there can be no timetable for ousting Assad. Syria will not be a pushover like Libya now.
That is bad news for the supporters of ISIS - US, UK, France, Turkey, Israel, Qatar and Saudi Arabia
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based. After completing their training, they went to Syria and later Iraq
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
This, and sadly it will be the difference between Assad's life and Gaddafi's death.
We came, we saw, he lives.
A while ago, Israeli sources (Times of Israel) reported Russian involvement. They are now reporting possible Chinese involvement in response to the presence of Uighars in the ISIS team.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.nz/2015/09/china-in-syria-ready-to-join-russ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/world/asia/thailand-suspects-uighurs-i...
China has a good reason for getting involved and is powerful enough. Thailand is too weak to get involved I suspect.
Putin didn't drop off 70 or so T90 tanks just to stay a little while. That's a knight puts king in check move
any evidence of that? linky?
all this tank talk is tedious with no proof
all I have been able to confirm from airforce source is four interceptors sent so far.
otherwise...artillery is main of battlefield..
This is not about Assad, this is about stopping the resurgence or continued power of the cabal / Rothschilds. The world is saying, NO, no more Rothschilds shenanigans, and the visible aspect of that is this crisis in Syria, Iraq, and rest of the Middle East. The aim is to stop the Rothschilds from gaining so much money from controlling the access to and distribution of Energy... oil, gas, etc. The world wants a more balanced power structure, not a single mega oligarchy in control of all resources. So that is why so many are working to keep Assad... he's just symbolic, but he's the same as Rousseff in Brazil... he is aligned with a policy and by removing him, the cabal hopes to plant a cabal stooge who will do what the Rothschilds want. I don't think that will happen, I think Assad is safe, and will be protected by the majority of the world, as the new monetary system is revealed... resulting in a new energy system too.
Like the Joker said, the answer is simple, we kill the Rothschild family. Oh wait, that was an internet meme. Still a good idea tho.
Everyone in America knows Jacob Rothschild is pure fiction made up to scare junior bankers into doing "God's Work" just like Keyser Soze in the Usual Suspects.
The real 0.0001% villains are just like Monty Burns, harmless,senile old coots...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/11/who-really-is-mr-bu...
Hey, don't underestimate the Stonecutters! :>D
Nah, Hilary's emails indicate the Rothschild's are definitely the good guys, they're on close and convivial terms and keep in regular personal and email contact to share important tips on minor matters that may be of passing incidental interest.
The rest of the world does not matter.
There are only 3 countries that can protect a anyone e and be certain that they themselves will not be a military target.
These are in order of magnitude:
1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
Anybody else that tbinks they really matter are delusional; that includes I'll and France, both of which seem to be unable to come to terms with the fact that their empire is go.
So, if Russia protects Assad he will survive.
The rest of the world does not matter.
There are only 3 countries that can protect a anyone e and be certain that they themselves will not be a military target.
These are in order of magnitude:
1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
Anybody else that tbinks they really matter are delusional; that includes I'll and France, both of which seem to be unable to come to terms with the fact that their empire is go.
So, if Russia protects Assad he will survive.
Go home Jew.
no...you go home Goim
Just patiently waiting for the moment Syria shoots down an Israeli or coalition jet
Good thing we don't have any "boots on the ground" in Syria.
Even better, they capture some ISIS operatives who actually happen to be ZioNazi special forces.
I believe they did it already.
Yeah, too late WTFRLY. Syria recently did shoot down an Israeli F-16.
What can be better for the rest of the world world than for a real, all-out, no holds barred shia-sunni civil war to break out? Only one thing: when it draws Russia into it, and then it bleeds it to death just like the original evil empire bled to death in Afghanistan!
Time to be especially proud of the work CIA, MI6 and Mossad are doing.
1) Are you fifteen?
2) Do you think Bibi will lose his temper on Monday and try to punch Vlad? He's kind of a tub-o'lard, Bibi.
Bibi is pretty good when he sneaks up behind you with a knife, so watch out
QE Infinity!!!...
Till sterile "Uncle Sammy" drops!!!!!!
So I take it fighting ISIL is not that hard after all.
One wonders what kept the USA.