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British General Threatens Military Coup If Corbyn Elected
Late last week we brought you a collection of vivid images from a military coup in the West African nation of Burkina Faso where forces aligned with former President Blaise Compaoré arrested the acting President and Prime Minister ahead of democratic elections planned for October.
To be sure, most observers would argue that the idea of military coups like the one described above occurring with any sort of regularity in the context of the developed world is far-fetched at best, but a growing disaffection with what many see as endemic corruption and ineptitude has not only served to catapult two dark horse presidential candidates to the top of the polls in the US but apparently has some Americans convinced that a military takeover might be preferable to the current system of governance as the following poll (which admittedly suffers from selection bias) from YouGov shows:
Well, don't look now but the ascension of Jeremy Corbyn to the head of Britain's Labour party has led at least one senior serving general to predict that a Corbyn government would face the very real possibility of a military "mutiny". Here's more from The Independent:
The unnamed general said members of the armed forces would begin directly and publicly challenging the labour leader if he tried to scrap Trident, pull out of Nato or announce “any plans to emasculate and shrink the size of the armed forces.”
He told the Sunday Times: “The Army just wouldn’t stand for it. The general staff would not allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of this country and I think people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that. You can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security.
“There would be mass resignations at all levels and you would face the very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny.”
The general, who served in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, said he and many soldiers were sickened by Mr Corbyn’s refusal to condemn the IRA, which killed 730 troops and injured 7,000 more during the conflict.
His shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, was forced to apologise when it was revealed he had called for IRA members, including hunger striker Bobby Sands, to be honoured by the British government.
The general said: “Many soldiers are disgusted by the comments of Corbyn and John McDonnell [about] the IRA — men who have not only murdered British soldiers but also hundreds of members of their own community.”
Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense is not happy, and neither, apparently, are Corbyn's political opponents who seemingly would prefer to live with a Corbyn government than see Britain relegated to the status of a mid-20th century South American banana republic. Here's The Independent again:
“You can’t have serving officers effectively threatening a coup against an elected government,” they said. “This general seems to have forgotten that we live in a democracy.” A Ministry of Defence source said it was unacceptable for a serving officer to make political comments about a potential “future government”.
Even some Conservatives expressed disquiet. The right-wing Tory MEP Daniel Hannan described the general as an “idiot”. “We’re not Bolivia for God’s sake,” he said.
Of course the thing about military coups is that they don't, by definition, depend upon whether politicians think they are "idiotic", which is why, in a world where polls in developed markets seem to suggest that voters' sentiments are beginning to shift towards the far ends of the political spectrum (see Greece, Spain, the US, Britain, and Portugal for instance), one certainly wonders what might happen if, in a desperate attempt to bring about real "change", voters make a "mistake" that the army decides needs be corrected outside of the ballot box...
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British General should be immediately arrested for sedition.
Yeah really..they polled military people and they answered honestly on some treasonous offense questions..how dumb are these military tool idiots haha?
Just wait till they get a black Muslim PM
UK military?! What a joke!
Idiot General has spent too much time working on the Ukraine overthrow helping his city of london overlords, or was it the Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc
At least YouGov is unbiased. In the same sense as free speech on UCal and CSU campuses.
None of this would have happened if everybody took their Thorazine with their fluoridated water.
Pink slime for everybody!
The limey is just echoing the lowest common denominator wisdom.
I mean, like “you can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security”.. or economy for that matter.
It takes someone thoroughly captured and corralled by the financiers and corporatists to run a country.
No mavericks.. nope.. no way, no how..
Hear that Donald?
Me thinks he may have watched "Paths of Glory" once too often.
Obozo can teach the Brits about getting rid of back-boned generals and replacing them with hand-picked ass-kissing yes-men.
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"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
And the truth is, here's what most think of your "democracy", as evidenced by the general: "Things will be done the way we want, or we will use force to make them be done that way." As I have often stated, force is the only thing they understand.
So it's like a kinder, gentler, compassionate Pajamas Boi-IRS-TSA-EPA thingy...except...they just tell you straight up they will either shoot you or jail you and make your life a living hell for non-compliance.
Well!...decisions decisions ;-)
The military should be now well-versed with "preemptive strikes". Can't they just announce the intention to kill Corbyn and justify it like they usually [love to] do???? C'mon, general. We dare you.
The military answers to the Monarchy, not the parliament. If the military is threatening a coup it is the Monarchy threatening to take back the authority to exercise their supreme power.
Before he got elected they said he would be the end of the labour party and now..
A mild mannered old pacifist socialist who rides a bike everywhere has managed to simultaneously: get the old labour party elite going fucking bonkers / resign, have the conservative party declare him a (the most?) serious threat to national + economic security for every family in britain and now has generals calling for a military coup?
Hopefully bernies numbers pick up, that'll really send the ruling class of US&A + UK into a tantrum!
"Hopefully bernies numbers pick up, that'll really send the ruling class of US&A + UK into a tantrum!"
"Hope" springs eternal in Marx-Engels Land don't it?...lol...I'm as positive as you are that CnC Bernie will concentrate the drone fleet elsewhere.
Maybe even Wall Street!...but I wouldn't get my "Hopes" too high on that ;-)
Bernie has the equivalent chance of becoming president of the US as I do of becoming king of Saudi Arabia. That said, rich folkz got real thin skin - having bernie in there talking smack alongside their doting servant Hilary would really get them crying, life's just not fair!
"To pay for the bailout, he proposed a five-year, 10 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year for couples and over $500,000 for single taxpayers. That would yield more than $300 billion in revenue to cover losses the government will incur when it resells troubled mortgages it acquires from banks."
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-...
There is the socialist-statist Bernie Sanders.
Not letting big New York commercial banks fail at all, not holding regulators accountable, nor even holding ANY politician accountable for their dumbass votes on CRA.
Not at all, "Bernies plan" was to have THE GOVERNMENT (who was just as big a player in the collapse) just randomly tax people higher on their income whether they had anything to do with it or not.
Ya know, like Granny selling her house in the suburbs cuz the city is moving in on her, which just happens to value out at...one million dollars.
Such a caring, thoughtful, socialist ;-)
More coup's!
Less bankers!
Less politicians!
Hang 'em high!
Interesting that we are now entering the "Praetorian Rule" period of imperial collapse. Wars are certain to be perpetuated should these threats be backed up.
Yes, Corbyn should never be allowed anywhere near any seat of power, but these people are attacking him for the wrong reasons (he would literally destroy Britain as a nation and possibly as a people), despite him doing a few things for the good of the people (ending military adventurism).
" Winning Minds and Hearts ..." ... and so on and so forth ....
the freedom movement in the u.s. has a singular advantage over its beleaguered allies in other countries. while our evil doers may look like they will never be stopped, much less brought to justice, there is a chink in their armor unique in all the world: 9-11. in no other developed country did a recent government so obviously, intentionally and, by far most important, provably, murder thousands of its own citizens. that this led to two wars killing another million and leaving homeless five million more is a further intensifier.
for those who want significant change in our corrupt ruling triad consisting of the u.s. government (especially national security, treasury, regulatory and justice-judicial), the transnational corporations (especially financial-fed, military-industrial, media, energy, and communications) and the zionist-neoconservative-israeli forces, the way forward is through 9-11. everything else is pretty well hidden or open for debate or caught up in partisan politics. this is the only thing big enough and bad enough to prove what we know is true: we are ruled by deeply evil people who care nothing for our well-being.
9-11 is different. it is the bridge too far. it is the overreach that can be demonstrated to be false. polls over the years show u.s. citizens are less and less believing of the government's incredible (as in not credible) story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
rand paul and others are trying to get secret pages of the 9-11 report (which doesn't mention building 7) declassified. a new movie by the highly credible and non-partisan architects and engineers for 9-11 truth (which now has added firefighters to the mix) has just been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA. once one watches the wtc fall (all three), up close and in slow motion, an honest person cannot think planes and fires did it. the final nail in the coffin is the red-hot metal underground months later.
this crime is too great, too evil and too poorly done to be explained away or ignored. once a growing majority of the nation sees through this lie (and the fraction is already larger than many imagine), new things become possible. the corrupt conspiracy would start to peel away like an onion. this is not yesterday's news. there is no statute of limitations on treason or murder.
When your country is about to fall into the hands of socialists, it is then up to the army to take matters into their own hands.
I fully support a coup in any country wanting to take back its sovereingty and avoid socialism by any means (socialism leads to state bankruptcy). I wish the military would take over in France for instance and get them rid of such socialist scumbags.
Politicians have failed and will fail again. Politician is not a job. They have created for themselves and in order to keep power an oligarchy with tremendous privileges and nothing to show for those except treasons, corruption and incompetency. THey don't pay for their mistakes, but the people do pay.
You look at the leaders today : a bunch of morons, lazy grabastic piece of amphibian shit, who talk off topic shit more than often and do the contrary as to what they should do.
You look at the history of many countries : the best head of state they ever had was from the army (De Gaulle, Putin, ...). Of course I don't take into account that insane madman from Germany, simply because he was very low in ranks. But one thing for sure, people who have made a career in the military putting their lives on the line for their own country, instead of becoming a banker or poltician, or both and vice-versae (ty revolving doors) are more trustworthy for the destiny of a country.
We are approaching the moment of truth and have already entered meta history, I'd rather have a military dictatorship for the good of my country than a democratic dictatorship for the good of a global oligarchy only.
No matter what we will get a dictatorship.
When your country is about to fall into the hands of socialists, it is then up to the army to take matters into their own hands.
I fully support a coup in any country wanting to take back its sovereingty and avoid socialism by any means (socialism leads to state bankruptcy). I wish the military would take over in France for instance and get them rid of such socialist scumbags.
Politicians have failed and will fail again. Politician is not a job. They have created for themselves and in order to keep power an oligarchy with tremendous privileges and nothing to show for those except treasons, corruption and incompetency. THey don't pay for their mistakes, but the people do pay.
You look at the leaders today : a bunch of morons, lazy grabastic piece of amphibian shit, who talk off topic shit more than often and do the contrary as to what they should do.
You look at the history of many countries : the best head of state they ever had was from the army (De Gaulle, Putin, ...). Of course I don't take into account that insane madman from Germany, simply because he was very low in ranks. But one thing for sure, people who have made a career in the military putting their lives on the line for their own country, instead of becoming a banker or poltician, or both and vice-versae (ty revolving doors) are more trustworthy for the destiny of a country.
We are approaching the moment of truth and have already entered meta history, I'd rather have a military dictatorship for the good of my country than a democratic dictatorship for the good of a global oligarchy only.
No matter what we will get a dictatorship.
We've had a bit of experience with "mild mannered old pacifist socialists" since the Fabians arrived to guide us to Valhalla-on-theThames. Kindly old G.B. Shaw thought if people were given work but were naughty and complained about things, they could be killed. In a humane way, of course.
So appearances are receiving and those avuncular types are often more like spearpoints on some nasty business. Gulags, demeaning social repression, and/or economic lunacy are your basic options with these types.
You can look it up. Seriously.
That's a very good point and worth mentioning on a US site where most commenters, I presume, think in terms of an officer corps swearing aliegence to a document, rather than a monarch.
Must read, the panicking queen told me to do this so that she and her family of retards can keep continuing parasyting the sheeple
You don't about parasites until you look into modern "representative" government.
HM performs v. useful functions. However, at the present time it seems that standing up for her people while they're in the process of being destroyed isn't one of them it seems. Making it a clean sweep where all presently constituted political leadership is concerned.
What oh what's an army to do?
In a society where the government actually represented the people, those willing to defend it wouldn't even need to be paid.
The only justification for the military is the above.
There's a big difference between backbone and flat out arrogant insubordination, I think.
This guy should be seeing stripes in his sunlight tomorrow.
More like replacing back-boned with broke-back moutain generals.
What the unnamed General does not understand is that the textile and ship building industries of Northern Ireland were owned by the same elite warmongering families that sent British soldiers around the globe to lose their lives for nothing but padding bankbooks of warmongers. The same warmongering families who never gave a son to the fighting, but left it to native Brits.
The good unnamed General is a well-meaning fool. He dwells amid the enemy yet fails to recognize them. He is devoted to his fighing men and defends their memories, yet fails to understand who really sent them to their early, violent, and unnecessary deaths. He does not accept that he too, is an expendable pawn, and thinks that Parliament works in the best interests of the British people and their armed forces. The good unnamed General will find out soon enough how sorely mistaken he was all this time.
amen
Oh congtrare, mong sher amee. He understands that v. well, dated though your data might be. Many saw their lives opened up in the most wonderful ways and yoar assessment is just gloomy, gloomy, gloomy.
Paradoxically, modern Western political elites have failed dramatically to take care of anyone but themselves and they have just fallen in love with foreigners in unbelievably destructive ways that would have astonished those old time people..
The poison of socialism and the mindless desire for total revolution have all but wrecked the West and driven ruling elites insane by any objective standard.
Thus, a little talk of coups among friends does no harm. The wonder is that 126 years of treason go unremarked.
These days, he is either looking out for his retirement in the MIC and/or a Zionist stooge.
elite warmongering = juice
I'm betting he sat thru five minutes of "Django Unchained" and threw up.
Some people understand these movies in ways their creators don't expectorate.
Elected officials aren't "in charge of the economy." Nobody is. They just want you to think that so you feel safe (and they can blame the last administration to get elected.)
you're right about elected officials not being in charge. and, ultimately, you're right about nobody too (in the long run we're all dead). but for significant amounts of time (and money!) the unelected central bankers and their equally unelected oligopolist owners/co-conspirators can sure manipulate the hell out of it, increasingly for the worse lately.
>>No mavericks.. nope.. no way, no how..<<
The mavericks are the swine who want to keep our borders open and inundate us with mothertrucking foreigners. Traitors are the real "mavericks" here.
Speaking one's mind among a bunch of girls isn't being a "maverick."
Capice, mon ami?
I suspect the "unnamed General" doesn't exist and is merely a prop to get a tonne of silly quotes from pompous politicians.
or that said General is a member of the Friends Of Israel Society and looking to secure a sweet job upon his retirement.
This blog summarizes the numerous episodes of genocide committed by (zio-british empire) Britain...............
http://worldsworstmassmurderer.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/britain-worlds-wo...
“he and many soldiers were sickened by Mr Corbyn’s refusal to condemn the IRA, which killed 730 troops and injured 7,000 more during the conflict”
What's sickening is their refusal to condemn MI5, which set up and controlled the IRA, according to operatives cum whistleblowers Kevin Fulton and Martin Ingram, talking here to Alex Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYPp-3cvbk
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/half-of-all-top-...
How many British soldiers did the Jew terrorists kill during their theft of Israel? As I recall it is over 1000 killed. Funny how these "generals" don't threaten to perform a coup on Cameron for supporting the Jewish Nazi's.
Let the good General lead the charge against the real power holders of Britian and see what happens. They will crack down on him faster than a known narcotics or smuggling racket. They are only criminals with no loyalty to anything but money, so they are no threat since they are two of a kind. An openly loyal and patriotic British threat will get smashed instantly. The central bankers know their priorities and sovereignty ain't one.
Patriotism is so yesterday.
Agreed. Until a "named" general comes forward, I'd file this under "put ons".
Imminence Front, it's a put on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHLgxKUsEA
"Trial balloon" and "shot across the bow" come to mind.
Generals are selected because of their demonstrated obedience. So, either he's obeying instructions or worse, thinking after thirty years of non-thinking.
In all fairness, "thirty years of non-thinking" applies to one heck of a large demographic.
The British Army lost all credibility when they followed the orders of the jewish collaborator Winstone Churchill and his banker "Focus" group to start a completely unnecessary war on Germany despite repeated attempts by the Germans to maintain peace. T.E.Lawrence (of Arabia) was going to call him out on this to the British people who respected him immensely despite his reluctance to get involved in politics but allas he had an accident on his motorbike with a "government " car that was never found.The jewish Churchill went on to single handedly complete the process, started by the First World War,of destroying the British Empire through squandering its wealth on this unnecessary war. The only honorable war the Brits have fought in the last hundred years was the Falklands when they actually defended and liberated British peoples from naked aggression and invasion by foreigners. They are still collaborating with war criminals to this day (Iraq, Libya, Syria) and they have the nerve to accuse the IRA of being murders for trying to liberate their land from foreign occupation.
does their black muslim pm also have to be installed into office by a bunch of Chicago Jews, and appoint a Mossad agent as chief of staff, and disproportionately appoint Jews, but NOT MUSLIMS - to treasury, the fed, commerce, cftc, fdic, irs, nec, cea, etc etc etc.
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You forgot to add illegal alien usurper and fag.
That's overlooked way too often.
A. Merkel in jail: http://www.pi-news.net/2015/09/sie-frau-merkel-gehoeren-ins-gefaengnis/
By that logic, should American Generals be arrested for their failure to uphold their oath of office?
And which do you consider the greater offense?
Speaking of "Generals" ... Gen Austin recently testified before Congress on the whereabouts of the $500 million to fund training Syrian rebels and American soldiers to fight Assad. He testified a total of "5"...that's right "Five" men have been trained with that $500 million.
Was General Austin fired? No. Not even demoted.
Ha ha ha ha.....good one, right.
There must be some MIC private contractors and soldiers living high on the hog right now. It's no wonder DC area house prices have stayed sky high! With uncontrolled fraud, embezzlement, incompetence it's no wonder people crave real change and take a close look at Trump, Fiorino and Deez Nutts!
I read that. Posted it on the Russian embassy in Syria get hits by a mortar...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-recruits-60-moderate-syrian-rebels...
Actually the number is 60, but they lost a few...
Standard Disclaimer: Steve Austin got gypped...
That money went to ISIS.
I watched the interview on C-SPAN an dhe said 5 soldiers but I read later somewhere it was 60. So who knows what he was talking about, half our military is on drugs half the time due to pain, stress, post-trauma syndrome, disgust, or pure enjoyment.
As per plan.
Those $700 hammers were a blue light special.
The "logic" is whether one has atleast the pretense of civilian, legal, democratic control.
The "greater offense" is failure to follow the law, excepting truly extraordinary circumstances.
The caveat is duly noted...but I would say the "greatest offense" is following orders given by insane "law givers" whether they were democratically elected or not.
Paula Poundstone observed years ago that kids in kindergarten understood that Reagan had Alzheimer's because they were around old people a lot. The rest of us seemed not to see it was her point.
She wasn't being unpleasant about that great American at all but it was true he was failing toward the end of his term and all of us, perhaps, were reluctant to notice it.
It occurs to me we're witnessing the same thing with all Western leaders. They've all gone insane and we continue to treat them like they're quite normal and that it's the most natural thing in the world to stand down the army and the police and throw open the doors to foreign savages who hardly have the breeding in them to not rape a goat.
Yes, but the usual cure is a bust and a possible loss of benefits if one doesn't follow the program. Viz: Petraeus and Royal Moore.
Both exceed the threshold, so the "greater" question is moot.
- Ned
Ya know, the most overlooked thing about a country's officer corps is, they also make great rebel officers.
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Wut? George Washington was a British officer wasn't he? As was Lee & Jackson in the US military.
Am I dealing with Common Core retards here or what? ;-)
THreatens a coups!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a load of horseshit!!
They always seem to ignore the 'Domestic' bit when it comes to threats, don't they?
Yes Logical , whats that Roman saying ? "A nation can survive its fools, it can even survive barbarians at the gates, but it cannot survive treason from within". You know what that means right now ? all White Western nations are doomed ( unless some young bloods in each lands military actually do man-up and arrest these collaborators, what are the chances ? the people themselves except in US have long been disarmed )
given that Corbyn is openly a communist ( and likely supports Islam) the general needs a promotion - to Prime Minister.
likely supports Islam?
Hell, he's a typical Labour pig who sucks as much muzzie cock as he can get.
Oz & ZD....
just a question.
Were you born bigoted and ignorant or did you take special lessons?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
probably years of watching the middle-east tear itself apart on television and behead eachother on live-leak every night, watching muslim neighbourhoods pop up and close themselves off from the outside world and then watching our new 'citizens' decide they want to disregard our governments orders and leave our country to fight with ISIS. oh and did i mention these migrants are also disproportionately represented in crime statistics and on welfare?
jeez, i wonder what turned them into 'bigots'?
Yet another fucking ignorant moron.
In Iraq, Sunni and Shiite were living together peacefully in mixed settlements and even intermarrying under the Evil Saddam Regime (TM).
The Sunni-Shiite strife was deliberately started by the controlled dmolition of selected religious sites. The initial demolitions were done very professionally, almost as if by a trained military demolition experts.
Coincidentally, around that time the Iraq police caught a couple of weterners in civilian clothes driving in a car packed with military grade explosives, weaponry and communications equipment. It turns out these two were from the UK SAS. The British army extracted them from their supposed allies by driving a light tank through the walls of the police building, allowing the men to be recovered. Strange and over the top. I'm sure the police would have handed the two men over once the position had been clarified.
ISIS / Al Qaeda served the same purpose in Libya and Syria.
The people who deliberately started the sectarian strife have a lot of blood on their hands.
Professional demolition (as in place charges, light fuze) gets that sectarian strife going every time.
what's wrong with communism or socalism if approved by the people ?
should corporate welfare capitalism be accepted without question?
what's wrong with slavery if approved by the people? idiot
So Capitalist Socialism (Socialism for only bankers) is not slavery?
Folks watch out, Fred might be Jamie Dimon's daughter.
Debt slavery alive and well. Capitalism wouldn't work with the backs of the working class to trample over. In a limited resource economy, someone can't make more without others making less, and the greater the ones at the to make, the more the rest are forced to struggle.
Socialism wouldn't work without wiping out the middle class.
Socialist dictatoral pigs want the wealth for themselves and their cronies.
They throw a few crumbs to the masses every once in a while to them under control.
Socialism wipes out their middle class, capitalism wipes out their middle class, is there any ism that doesn't have a schism and wipe out the middle class?
There will always be those who control the power (whether resources our capital) and the slaves who try just to scrape crumbs to survive. Sadly most slaves today lived in fairy tale land and think they're free.
Actually, I have seen many areas across the gLobe where there this isn't the case. Usually small tribal villages that haven't been exposed to the evils that the concept of capital creates.
Malaria and parasites are enobling.
Luddite!!!
You give new meaning to the word "obtuse."
The election of Corbyn in Britain and who knows, maybe Sanders here in America raises the interesting question of whether or not people can vote themselves into autocracy. Pre-war Germany indicates it could happen, but there is still always a little "jump" that is needed to go full autocracy. However, you can come very close even in a "free" society. The basis of collectivism is the use of government force.
There is no such thing as "corporate welfare capitalism". It is actually a form of socialism, namely fascism that allows any free markets to exist only at the pleasure of the government. Markets and industries are heavily regulated and all power still resides in the State. Only a powerful centralized government can provide the favors any corporations or others would desire. That is why Monsanto is not spending big bucks to lobby your HOA. They cannot provide the necessary favors.
However, the local roofer who wants the condo roof replacement contract might.
Yoar stuff is always excellent, FG.
Joe Stalin asked that question of people a lot.
"Is everyone happy?
Good."
Now we're talking.
If that red bastard gets elected in Britain I hope there is a general there to do what Franco did. Enough with the Leftist, Marxist, Leninist, communist scum already, it is about time someone gave them a swift jackboot in the teeth.
If you don't like it go to North Korea. Or even better Hungary and tell them you are a communist. See What they think of your affection for the ultimate in totalitarian mass murder system.
Fun factoid: Did you know that communist parties around the world still blame Katyn on the Germans?
Fun factoid....
Agent default hasn't read much history, just swallowed what he/she's been spoon-fed.
So Logical , Just to clarify , are you saying that Katyn was done by the Germans and not by the Bolshevics as most historians seem to be agreed on these days ? Just asking , got info ?
Here's what I typed.
Read it.
Fun factoid....
Agent default hasn't read much history, just swallowed what he/she's been spoon-fed.
Does anything in there suggest I was commenting, in any way on Katyn?
Just asking, got info?
I don't comment on shit I know little or nothing about.
Ok cleared that up, so I guess we stick with the Bolshies did it , i.e another mass murder the Germans DID,NT commit, but were blamed for anyway cos , you know , Hugo Boss uniforms are so much more threatening
But NoKo is more like Nazi Germany than Soviet Russia.
Commies should go to Cuba.
Of course, a Nazi would disagree with that, but left in a vacuum, Nazi policy will ALWAYS lead to economic collapse and mass starvation. They did in Nazi Spain, They were well on their way in Nazi Germany, and they have gone all the way in Nazi North Korea.
Which way do you think it will go in Nazi Sweden and the Nazi EU? Labels are so confusing to me.
Usual bullshit journalism. 'Unnamed General' meaning he doesnt exist and the journos just making it up. When Journos dont produce names its usually because its all fantasy! Media should put up or shut up.
I agree with Kissingers view of military men.....
In their military role, they do what they are told.
If they don't want to do that role, they can try to become politicians.
Until then, stay being the broad blade and STFU
Kissinger on the military....
“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”
Of course he did.
That is exactly right.
Don't get me wrong,, Kissinger was/is an Asshole.
But the world is fucked up enough without having dickheads that think they should run the world from a policemans car.
Again if they want to become something other than the broad blade then get the fuck out of the military and become something else.
The military has enough general petraeus. Little dickheads that boink people around them in the safety of their tents.... Fucking pussies
Did he really put it that way? True if lacking tact. The military are meant to be pawns... til they take up arms in a mutiny.
Kissinger was a Sergeant in the US Army, so I guess that makes him a dumb stupid animal.
Yeah, we sergeants are all dumbasses even as PFCs, proud fucking civilians.
LOL, I did not know he was a Sargeant. Yes that does explain a bit about his thinking.
Who runs Bartertown - those with power run Bartertown
http://www.irishholocaust.org/
There can never be peace on stolen land.
As far as I can tell, all land has ultimately been stolen from someone at some point in time. Maybe we should abandon our homes to the American Indian to show true justice. Or did you have a specific time frame in mind....like defining periods of stock market profitability from those where people lost everything?
typical hasbara talking points from deadwood.
By your logic the Jews never had any claim to "retake" Palestine, yet you've never noted that.
While you strain to appear reasonable, your double standards are pretty easy to spot.
"There can never be peace on stolen land."
It doesnt matter if the land is stolen, there will never be peace. It is not in mans nature. Even if a majority are willing to live in peace there always some asshole that thinks he has a right to your shit.
If he were a hasbara (Jewish web page partisan?), wouldn't he want to argue that Jews had a claim to "retake" Palestine?
If you don't mind the use of force to steal land and the subsequent law to justify it's new ownership, I'm sure you don't mind giving out your address.
Do I get to build a casino?
Unfortunately oldwood, you're becoming too de-polarised and objective, and that always leads to accusations of evil incarnate around here. Even your ups and your downs are becoming consistently too balanced. When that happens almost no one likes you - a steady slip in popularity from there mate. If you're polarised ~50% of the room are going to love ya.
Hey, it's democracy in miniture, how about that. :D
I agree with most stuff you say, btw. ;-)
Element knows his business.
What happens if I'm bi-polarized? Does that mean 50% of the room is going to love me half the time?
Standard Disclaimer: It's Monday, and I definitely need to hook up with a doctor to prescribe me some Adderall.
lol That means you're a populist. :D
From what I've seen, it is his distinct lack of objectivity that merits criticism, i.e. the more the conversation turns on Israel, or its lobby, or its founding - the more Oldwood abandons the principles and critical thinking he employs elsewhere.
Hence condemning Palestinian terrorism - a truly bold stand - is strangely de-linked to Israeli state terrorism, its apartheid occupation , its founding in terrorism and deliberate ethnic cleansing, etc. etc.
Oldwood's the sort of fellow who is thoughtful about everything but Israeli propaganda and Zionist power.
and for the record, I'm talking about people like the Ziopaths in PNAC or the OSP.
I'm not talking about your fucking dentist.
Lack of objectivity you say? Really?
And this comes from a hyper-religious sour-puss who's been here 4 weeks? Sure bud, it's him, not you.
I had a really, really quick scan down your page ... have you got a time machine? ... I do hope so ... you seem to be in the wrong bloody geological epoch! I strongly recommend the Precambrian, you'll do less harm there.
(what's the bet it comes back and says it's been a zh member for like, forevah & stuff?)
hyper religious?
Right - because the word Jesus appears and you're a bad reader who makes all sorts of inferences based on cognitive bias.
No, Skippy, I'm not religious at all - quite the opposite.
and I can criticize Islam or Christianity all day and all night, but the moment I dare apply the same criticisms to Judaism, no matter if I refer to reliable translations - then, it's "hate" and I'm an "anti-Semite" and this makes sense to dumb unthinking fucks like you.
And by the way, being here 4 weeks does not mean I am 4 weeks old. Stop being a fucking cunt.
I hear you Pal!
I once took a piss at 2am on the statue of Marco Polo in Venice on account of what he did to our Americum Inniums....thought you would be proud...
Do they have deeds?
Only when you get it as a gift like Isreal... It's the biggest nirvana utopion place on earth... says so on the brochure..
I get the impression that Corbyn is not owned by the Red Shield like Milliband and Cameron plus a bunch of others.
Corbyn is owned by the communist reds and panders to the free shit army.
When he isn't pandering to the free shit army, he's sucking muzzie cock!
Well that's better than CameroKike is giving free money to the bankers. And he really sucked a pig's dick. I saw it on news today.
Comrade Corbyn is a Marxist pig who sucks muzzie dick.
Maybe, maybe not.
A communist or a pig fucker.
Choose wisely, Britian.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/piggate?src=hash
Yeah and one wonders why we're so screwed.
Hitlery or Trump?
He would be the natural choice for you Freddie.
The Red Shield is element's favorite choice.
Who financed the Bolsheviks? Sorry to pop your bubble.
Schiff and Warburg funded but they did it for an entirely different objective. Just like USA is financing ISIS. But that doesn't mean bankers love ISIS. Schiff financed Bolsheviks because he thought it would divide Russia into pieces and they would start looting. But the plan didn't go well and Communism and an united Russia appeared. However inefficient Communism is, it is a diametrically opposite dialectal force against Capitalism. And make no mistake, the bankers and the elites hate Communism more than you do.
Fuckin' eh, Bubba.
The elites hate Communism?
Brutal dictators (like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez, etc.) all LOVED communism.
It gave them and their cronies absolute power and made them rich.
"bankers and the elites hate Communism more than you do"
Doubt it. Norman Dodd would disagree as well and he would know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8irQifrpmEY
Not if they pay their bills on time.
Correct up to a point Freddie, he is not owned directly like the others but indirectly through his affiliations, sympathies and ideology (Fabian wolf in sheeps clothing etc) He is a statist and the state is owned as a corporation by Red Shield through the treasury bond market i.e Bank of England ownership
DetectiveStern:
... er ... your proto-common-core education has left you unarmed in the arena of actual historical outcomes.
But you should work that meme for all that it is worth, might gain some traction.
- Ned
what if you kill all the people you stole the land from? you know, the israeli strategy.
what if you kill all the people you stole the land from? you know, the Palestinian strategy.
In that case, America's fucked.
We do live in interesting times.
"War is too important to be left to the Generals. Fifty years ago he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to the politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor inclination for strategic thought." -- Gen. Jack Ripper
War doesn't decide who's right, it decides who's left.
Right and wrong are only minor levels of differention on the discrimination scale anyway.
Time for some clarity on this.
LEVEL OF DISCRIMINATION & THEIR GOVERNING BODIES
Good/Evil - Reality
Holy/Unholy - Church (or other supported religious body)
Honourable/Dishonourable - Public Opinion
Right/Wrong - Personal Opinion
Legal/Illegal - Lawyers
Strength/Weakness - PowerEach level is a higher form of discrimination than that below it. Thus if you discriminate soley on the basis of strength or weakness it can be said to be done in "poor taste". Leftys go crazy over that.
That the next highest form of discrimination is whether something is legal/illegal tells you just how low lawyers actually are.
The concepts of right and wrong, so popular today are only reflections of personal opinion - with today's egotistical society need we question why the popularity?
Whether something is deemed hounourable or not is seen as archaic today - probably because there is no real community left in the West. No community, no true communal conscience.
The religious bodies govern what is deemed Holy or Unholy. Leave God out of it - it's the priests that do all the labelling. Whether this is valued or not is just a reflection of the culture in question.
Good and Evil however are absolutes. Good is everything life affirming, positive and creative. Evil is everything life denying, negative and destructive. There is no grey - that's just pussy footing around.
What's the point of all this? Clarity of thought. If you don't know why you are making choices or judgement calls then you are just a blind puppet or an animal.
Discrimination is not a bad thing. In fact, the more a person discriminates the better quality a person they are.
Today's populace is only concerned with the lowest three levels of discrimination. This is a primary reason why the West and its collective people are in the shit.
No standards anymore.