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Putin's Plan: Moscow Handles Syria, U.S. Looks After Iraq

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Russia has now confirmed that it is intervening in the Syrian war on the side of the Assad government; and, as Al-Arabiya's Azeem Ibrahim notes, the response of the U.S. betrays its impotent incredulity. Russia is poised to return to the Middle East, from which it was ejected with the collapse of the USSR. The United States seems to be telling Russia to go ahead, because, as Raghida Dergham explains, it is unwilling to engage – though it is not yet ready to fully retreat.

Authored by Raghida Dergham, originally posted at Al-Arabiya News,

At the end of this month, New York will be see several initiatives, talks, understandings, and deals come together under two main themes: terrorism and immigration. Both issues in the minds of world leaders are closely linked to Syria and other crises in the Arab world.

The U.S. President Barack Obama called for a world summit on terrorism, with ISIS first and foremost in his mind.

And Russian President Vladimir Putin tasked his foreign minister Sergei Lavrov to chair a ministerial session of the U.N. Security Council titled “Maintenance of International Peace and Security: Settlement of Conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa and Countering the Terrorist Threat in the Region.”

President Putin has effectively declared to the world that Russia intends to fight a war directly against ISIS and similar groups in Syria, while keeping the Syrian regime as a key ally in this war. Russia wants the United States to be a military partner – including of the Syrian regime – in this bid.

Putin wants to meet with Obama on the sidelines of the 70th session of the General Assembly of the United Nations. Obama is now considering whether the meeting will serve one of the key goals behind the Russian leader’s movements in Syria, namely, diverting attention away from Ukraine. The U.S. president is also considering whether he really wants to be drawn into the Syrian crisis, which he has avoided for years. He might therefore bless Russia’s involvement in the Syrian war against ISIS, as long as Putin does not ask the United States to officially bless the alliance with the Assad regime.

U.S. ‘doesn’t want Assad to fall’

It is worth quickly examining what Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s shrewd envoy to the U.N., told the U.S. network CBS about the Russian strategy. He said: “I think this is one thing we share now with the United States, with the U.S. government: They don’t want the Assad government to fall. They don’t want it to fall. They want to fight (ISIS) in a way which is not going to harm the Syrian government.”

He added: “On the other hand, they don’t want the Syrian government to take advantage of their campaign against [ISIS]. But they don’t want to harm the Syrian government by their action. This is very complex.”

It is not clear whether what Churkin is saying is based on assumptions or whether it is a fact that the U.S. government does not acknowledge publicly. If this is just a Russian interpretation of U.S. policy, then it is part of its strategy to sell its pitch because it assumes that Washington will not demur. Churkin continues: “To me, it is absolutely clear that... one of the very serious concerns of the American government now is that the Assad regime will fall and [ISIS] will take over Damascus and the United States will be blamed for that.

The Russian envoy also said that Russia wants the Assad government to be party in the peace negotiations, and that the United States and all other players “have to work with the government. We are not saying they have to sit at the same table necessarily with Assad, but they are the Syrian government and they need to work with them. They are fighting [ISIS] on the ground.”

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power spoke to CNN, criticizing the Russian diplomacy calling for rehabilitating the Assad regime that “gases its people, that barrel bombs its people, that tortures people who it arrests simply for protesting and for claiming their rights – that’s just not going to work.”

The Syrian president himself may be an obstacle to any U.S.-Russian accords, but an agreement over preserving the regime could be the way out of this impasse. So far, the U.S. position expressed by Barack Obama is that Assad has lost legitimacy and must leave. The U.S. president and his administration omitted this condition many times publicly, but this remains the official position that Obama has not yet explicitly abandoned. On the other hand, and in very clear terms this time, the Russian president has stated that Russian support for the Syrian government will continue politically and increase militarily, being the indispensable ally in the war on terror in Syria.

Russian diplomacy is going to New York at the end of this month, carrying a comprehensive project for engagement in the Middle East. By contrast, U.S. diplomacy seems reticent and like it is being dragged against its will to discuss crises in the region.

Common denominator

This does not mean that the U.S. administration has withdrawn from the Middle East. The results of the visit by Saudi King Salman to Washington is proof of this. However, the distance between engagement and non-withdrawal is important strategically, and Putin’s Russia is resolved to take advantage of the gap to the maximum extent possible.

The common denominator between the U.S. and Russian priorities today is reducing the Syrian issue to a terrorism issue. Washington has refrained from intervening on Syria through a presidential decision years ago. This non-engagement has practically helped turn the Syrian crisis from a civil uprising to a civil war that has become a magnet for terrorism, with the consent of several players including the Syrian government and Arab, regional, and international governments.

By contrast, Moscow engaged in Syria directly – together with Iran and Hezbollah – in support of the regime in Damascus. They became parties to the civil war, and helped turn the Syrian issue into an issue of terrorism.

Today, Moscow and Washington want to defeat ISIS and similar groups in Syria and Iraq. For this reason, they are both carrying the terrorism issue to the United Nations, to mobilize international support.

The U.S.-led international coalition, which comprises Arab countries, and which has focused on Iraq, does not include Russia and Iran as official members, even though Iran is a secret partner in the war on ISIS in Iraq. This coalition has proven its failure against ISIS, and has failed to factor in the important political elements that are key to success.

Iran deal

Washington is responsible for this failure. Indeed, the Obama administration fixated itself on concluding the nuclear deal with Iran, and ignored the requirements for success fearing antagonizing Iran, and even chose to build a secret partnership with Tehran.

Thus, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and the commander of the Quds Force Qassem Soleimani were allowed to boast publicly of the secret partnership, losing the United States a lot of credibility that would have helped mobilize the necessary support to defeat ISIS politically and militarily.

Soleimani has a key link to Russia’s decision to engage on the ground against ISIS and its ilk in Syria. The Russian decision in this direction was made in the wake of Soleimani’s public visit to Moscow, in conjunction with dangerous setbacks for the regime in Damascus that have alarmed Tehran. The Russian-Iranian concern for the fate of the Syrian regime led to a shift in a direction opposite to the one predicted by President Obama, who had claimed Moscow and Tehran were willing to abandon Assad to preserve the regime. Both capitals have instead decided that discussing Assad’s fate is misplaced or premature, and that the developments instead require increasing political and military support for the Assad regime.

A new phase for Russia

President Putin’s announcement of this decision and linking it to the war on terrorism ushers in a new phase in the Russian role in Syria. Putin spoke about a regional-international alliance, and is now spoking about an international decision to build a coalition against terrorism. The bottom line is that Russia has decided to fight a war on terrorism in Syria.

The requirements of the Russian war on terror in Syria, according to the Russian president, include having Moscow in the lead. Putin is practically saying to Obama: You run the war on ISIS in Iraq, and I run the war on ISIS in Syria. This would require Washington to – publicly or tacitly – agree to Russia’s strategy to win that war in partnership with the regime.

The Russian leadership has decided that Syria is a key guarantor of its interests in the Middle East, and that the Russian-Iranian alliance in Syria is a strategic priority.

Many considerations are behind this thinking. First, Russia is present on the ground to exercise influence, by turning the port in Tartus to a Russian military base, and the civilian airport in Latakia to a Russian air base.

Another consideration is the oil and gas reserves off the Syrian coast and its implications for Russian oil and gas interests.

There is also the consideration related to restoring Russian prestige, after the United States excluded Russia from Iraq and the war on terrorism there, and after NATO “tricked” Russia in Libya.

Another major consideration for Russia is seeking to prevent Islamists from taking power, as the United States and Britain tried to engineer in Egypt by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. Russia is seriously worried about Islamist terrorism, and is convinced that its victory in Syria would bring it to Russian soil.

In order for Russia’s strategy to succeed, Moscow has decided that there should be a political tack focusing on the conflicts of the Middle East, led by Syria. This is what’s behind the diplomatic bid to unify the Syrian opposition, with the real goal being reducing the Syrian National Coalition and preventing it from exclusively representing the Syrian opposition.

Russia moved to replace the Geneva process with a new one that does away with the fundamental idea in the Geneva I communique, namely, establishing a transitional governing body with executive powers. For this reason, President Putin spoke about Assad’s willingness to share power with the “sound” opposition – as defined by the Russian and Syrian governments.

Warning Europe against the flow of Syrian refugees, President Putin explicitly linked the issue to terrorism, saying that failure to comply with his proposals, including handing the Syrian issue over to him, would exacerbate the crisis of refugee flocking to the petrified European nations.

Russia is poised to return to the Middle East, from which it was ejected with the collapse of the USSR. The United States seems to be telling Russia to go ahead, because it is unwilling to engage – though it is not yet ready to fully retreat.

 

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Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:37 | 6576793 knuppel
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Iran already runs Iraq as it's majority shia, sow usa is left controlling their sunni IS puppet in the desert, hope they like disney and burgers.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:44 | 6576811 Divine Wind
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Yet again we see the result of putting a smooth talking, down low porch money into a job he was in no way qualified to handle.

What is even more scary is the mentality of the population which elected him..... TWICE.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:59 | 6576854 Publicus
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Just neutron bomb ISIS cities and repopulate with the Chinese to bring ever lasting peace.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:19 | 6576934 knukles
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Say, now about that pipeline....*

* See, for want of a pipeline, the ME was lost, etc.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 00:55 | 6577696 Paveway IV
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Rather than imaginary Qatari pipelines, let's talk about two existing pipelines: 1) the existing almost-finished Arab pipeline, and 2) the U.S. terrorist-supply pipeline.

The Arab Pipeline only has one last leg to go - from Aleppo to Kilis (Kalas on map). The U.S. terrorist-supply pipeline to Aleppo also runs from Kilis. Right in between Aleppo and Kilis is a little town called Tal Rifat. Unremarkable except for this otherwise ignored news today:

Syria Sees Russia Game Changer, US-Trained Rebels Enter Fray

A US-backed rebel faction and a monitoring group said Sunday that 75 Syrian rebels trained to fight jihadists under a beleaguered American program have crossed into northern Syria from Turkey.

 

"Seventy-five new fighters trained in a camp near the Turkish capital entered Aleppo province between Friday night and Saturday morning," said Rami Abdel Rahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

 

Hassan Mustafa, spokesman for the "Division 30" unit to which some of the rebels were deployed, confirmed to AFP that the group had entered Syria.

 

"Their training in Turkey lasted two months and they went directly to the front lines with Daesh. They are now in the town of Tal Rifaat," Mustafa said.

The first 60 U.S.-trained moderate rebel fools in Division 30 were sent in back in July and made it as far as Azaz (just North of Tal Rifaat) before being wiped out by al Nusra. Now they refuse to fight them:

US-trained Syrian rebels refuse to fight al-Qaida group after kidnappings

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone told al Nusra, who will probably butcher these U.S.-trained rebels just like they did the first batch:

US-trained Syrian rebels killed and leaders captured by al-Qaida affiliate

Which brings up the real interesting part. These new guys are refusing to fight al Nusra, but will probably be hunted by them anyways. Division 30 will have de facto air support by the U.S., so they may be able to protect themselves from either al Nusra or ISIS. But what if they attack Syrian troops and Assad responds with some of those newly-acquired Su-30's or Su-25's? Will the U.S. violate Syrian airspace to save their newly minted 'moderate rebels' from Assad? What if the Syrian pilots are, in fact, Russian pilots? Will the U.S. start WWIII to protect the new but now doomed Div. 30 mercenaries?

Not to mention that Nibiru is going to cause a pole flip this Thursday, followed by a massive meteor shower that will be used as cover for a nuke the U.S. is going to blow in the Gulf of Mexico for... well, for whatever reason they do these things. F'king reptilians! Canckles: "Fresh blood must flow. Let the slaughter begin!"

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:28 | 6578066 taoJones
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PW4: dude, you lost me at Nibiru & pole-flipping... Are you talking about this jewish blood moon thing? For some reason I have Sept.23 & Oct.1 marked on my calendar.... the latter courtesy of Martin Armstrong

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 08:44 | 6578125 Paveway IV
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Interesting - not sure if it's the new group or just the commander...

Report: U.S.-Trained ‘Vetted Moderate’ Syrian Rebel Leader Defects to Al-Qaeda, Turns Weapons Over to Terror Group

Even more interesting, the site reports that Twitter accounts reporting this defection today are being suspended. Imagine that - U.S. censorship! [cue patriotic music]

Maybe this will be my last post too if ZH really is a CIA front. I'll miss everybody!

[update] BI reported that it was just the commander resigning on Saturday. This would have been just before the new guys arrived on Sunday:

US-backed leader of Syrian rebel group quits and lists 6 problems with the training program

So the new guys defecting to al Nusra is still just a censored Twitter rumor for now.

Pure... unaltered... prime U.S. clownfuckery.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 08:31 | 6578135 Paveway IV
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It's sarcasm, taojones. I was going to start a list of dates/causes, but the end-of-the-world types are getting all the dates/causes mixed up and I'm totally confused. I'm not sure if the SHTF on the 23rd or 24th for [insert goofball reason here]. Don't know about Oct. 1st. 

Jews are insisting the stupid goy got the Blood Moon thing wrong - something about not being visible in Jerusalem, so it doesn't count. Nibiru/Planet X is suppose to damn near rip the crust of the earth off as it passes by (and flip the poles), but I'm just thinking I would have noticed a planet/brown dwarf star five times the size of earth approaching by now (despite NASA's efforts to hide it from me). Nice day out yesterday, no brown dwarfs noted in the sky. I guess the ELE meteorite showers from the debris tail won't be coming by either.

That leaves Canckles flying out of the CERN black hole on her broom and spreading poison candy to all the good little boys and girls, but that might be a myth, too. [sigh...] THAT's the one I really wanted to see.

Seriously, I have my own end-of-life event unfolding right before my eyes: the psychopathic U.S. government financial terrorists and their unending display of clownfuckery. I'm ALWAYS waiting for the next shoe to drop - those fuckers are the greatest threat to humanity today, bar none. It's like a pissed off chimp running around with a financial tactical nuke: you never know WHEN it's going to end, but you can be pretty damn sure HOW it's going to end.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:57 | 6577081 FireBrander
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Side thread...where does Trump stand on the current admins promise to bring a 100K Syrians to the USA...they're out of their fucken minds.

Based upon the "Middle Eastern" women I've seen locally...I don't condone Burka's...but I understand them..

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:05 | 6577113 Publicus
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At the rate the Russians are going, there won't be a terrorist problem for President Trump. All of them would have been exterminated by then.

 

Neutron bomb is a terrible thing for the terrorists and their supporters.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:27 | 6577227 Rhett72
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A lesson Israel is about to learn real soon.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:22 | 6577327 weburke
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Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:42 | 6577280 NihilistZero
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Based upon the "Middle Eastern" women I've seen locally...I don't condone Burka's...but I understand them.

Syrian women are actually quite beautiful.  A little mix of Greek and other Mediterranean features with Arabic.  The light eyed ones are captivating.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:41 | 6577491 mc225
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yeah, if you could clone 'syrian girl' and send them to europe, that would be tight.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:24 | 6577579 FireBrander
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"Syrian women are actually quite beautiful."

I'm sure many are...but "Middle Eastern" women around here leave you feeling like you visited a nudest colony...initially excited about all the "beautiful naked women"...but in reality they would all look better covered up...

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:49 | 6577912 ebear
Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:16 | 6577166 Main_Sequence
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Why would the USSA "neutron bomb" the very group (ISIS) that they are funding and supporting militarily?

The USSA military command have really fucked themselves good since the Russians have publicly entered the conflcit direct, and not via proxy.

Now the USSA and it's Israeli puppet masters are literally left flat footed and fucked, since Russia now looks like the savior of mankind, and the liberators of the region in the hearts and minds of the people.

Bravo USSA strategists.  Bravo.  (slow clap)

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:48 | 6578108 OzViking
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I for one welcome our chinese overlords, anything is better than the invading mad muzzies.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:03 | 6576874 Luc X. Ifer
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Now that's very generous for the incompetent Murica and a curse for the poor iraqies ...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:39 | 6577270 Handful of Dust
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<< incompetent Murica >>

How can you say that? I hear Jib Bush every talk saying that his brother's Iraq War was a success.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:08 | 6576904 conscious being
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DW wake up. National elections in tne US have no integrity.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:28 | 6576968 knukles
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Ah, but to DW's credit, the plebes think that they elected him.  Another one of those quantum considerations.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:51 | 6577043 FireBrander
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The President does not "handle" these things...he SELLS THEM...Clinton ran Bosnia?...Bush ran Iraq/Afghan?...Obama running all this...LOL...NO FuCkEn way...their brain powers combined could barely tie a pair of shoes.

The US President is really a King...lot's of show and talk, but little power...his job is to put a face on policy and SELL IT to the American people...Bill Clinton and Obama are great salemen..George Bush; not so much...that's why George needed the "attack" on US soil to get the plan in action...he couldn't sell it any other way.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 08:39 | 6578314 Victor von Doom
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Spot on FireBrander. US Presidents...used car salesmen, the lot of them.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:06 | 6576894 BullyBearish
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"The U.S. president is also considering whether he really wants to be drawn into the Syrian crisis, which he has avoided for years."

 

WTF...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:21 | 6576946 knukles
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Tru dat, mofo.  Yo quits dat beatins on mah man or I fucks you up, good.  When be da las time you hears dem on ESPN takin bout Syria shit?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:40 | 6577015 sidiji
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Obama is not so much malicious as he is incompetent...more of the same US thrashing around like a clueless 800lb gorrila in the china shop, way to go, I thought no one could be dumber than George W JR but Obama is giving him a close run for the money

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:05 | 6577110 Talleyrand
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That may be, but our State Department is top-notch, the creme de la creme of diplomacy, smart as a whip each and every one of them, a regular bunch of go-getters and ring-tailed tooters. You have "Barrel Bomb" Power, "FtEU" Nuland and a seventy year old man on (and off) bicycle. What could go wrong?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:59 | 6577312 Handful of Dust
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I've met several of those "creme de la creme" before they applied and were accepted into the State Dept and I can guarantee, they are NOT all creme de la creme, unfortunately.

 

Also, examine the comments of some of thier top people like Nuland; she either has an emotional IQ of <50 or is simply incompetent.There's many many moar examples. Look at Jan Psaki as she reads her pre-arranged answers to pre-arranged questions at a press conference; yes, I know, please contain your laughter. Don't get me started on Horseface!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYznqh0ul6Y

 

Where do they get these people?!

 

The State Dept has been fairly incompetent going back to Cyrus Vance who was their last really good Secretary. We need real change from the top on down and that includes the State Dept. How about recruiting some people hwo not only have people skills but also a detailed knowledge of [world] history and a smattering of economics, for a change.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:28 | 6577592 Charming Anarchist
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How about they just get better actors.

 

That is something I do not understand. 

As much as most of Hollyweird is pretty decrepid, admittely, it produces some excellent actors.  What is the State Department's excuse?  Something does not jive. 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:44 | 6578098 newbie vampire
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"Something does not jive. "

It jives.  

Ya all think it is easy to develop long-term foreign policy between press conferences all the while checking MSM TV ratings ?

Ya all gonna need the creme de la creme of the Buffoons to get the job done.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:32 | 6577248 Implied Violins
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Oh no, this 'incompetence' is part of the PLAN...he's actually a master, and everything he has done furthers the plans of the globalists. He is actually frighteningly good at what he does...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:45 | 6577033 Perimetr
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Disagree with idea that US does not want Assad to fall. 

Previous plans to attack Syria, as well as all the ensuing PR, have pictured Assad in the same way that Putin has been described here, as a absolute evil, a dictator who must be removed. 

At the very least, there certainly are very strong factions in the deep state that want Assad taken out, so they can get their hands on Syria's 144 tons of gold, while removing a key Russian and Iranian ally.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:36 | 6577756 conscious being
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Of course, of course, of course, of course, but that can all come later. Right now, the whole gambit is blowing up in their faces. They are moving to damage control phase. The reality is, they missed there chance. The window is closing. It takes a while for that to sink in and get the Titanic to change course.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:50 | 6578115 newbie vampire
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"Disagree with idea that US does not want Assad to fall. "

Yeah, but that was last Friday's long-term strategic State Dept. foreign policy.

Its Toosday or is it Weeniesday ?  We're talking about this week's long term strategic foreign policy.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:37 | 6576794 Freddie
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I hope Iraq casts it's lot with Russia, Syria, Iran and China.   The USA, Saudis and others have only brought misery, destruction and death to Iraq.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:41 | 6576807 optimator
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Vald, the US had already "handled" Iraq and would love to be left alone to "handle" Syria.  If you understand that then you want to negotiate with Nutty Yahoo as he's the one calling the shots.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:50 | 6576830 Divine Wind
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If you really believe that they wield THAT much power then you should behave like a good Goyum and fall in line.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:55 | 6577072 maxwellsdemon
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No Divine Wind; our job as good goyim is to PRETEND to go along with them.  That when they think we'll do the fighthing for them, we have our own revolution here in Goyim Land so that 'the chosen' end up  fighting the Russians, Iranians, and Hezbollah all on their own.   Cheers!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:30 | 6577240 Divine Wind
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Well, if the past is any indication of how they will perform in the future, once again, YOU Jew Haters will be disappointed.

Brahahahahahahahaha

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:45 | 6576820 Spungo
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I think we should nuke both countries into the stone age then have a gay orgy at the local gym.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:22 | 6577843 bunnyswanson
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If I were a gay man, I'd refrain from requiring an antidote to a deadly contagion as it has just been priced out of reach.  Patent 60 years and holding.  Because there are studies to  be performed, efficacy rate wise, and the cost justifies these research costs.  We are in an experiment, you know that.  I'd bite my tongue if I were gay.  Facebook is watching.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:46 | 6576824 black dragon
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united states is a CRIMINAL CORPORATION.

Russia is an ancient culture and A LEGITIMATE COUNTRY.

the criminal corporation has NO business ANYwhere in the world. fucking period.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:59 | 6576859 bigkahuna
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Albeit Russia is much older, I suspect that it too is a corporation. A mob corporation not unsimiliar to our own luciferians.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:38 | 6577267 Implied Violins
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You don't know just how right you are... http://redefininggod.com/nwo-schedule-of-implementation/

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:06 | 6577828 Escapeclaws
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Take "Ken" with a grain of salt. His last post shows that he has gone over the waterfall. I have a hard time believing that this expert on disinfo is not practicing the same thing himself. The joke is on his readers.

At the same time, got to give hime credit for being interesting.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:47 | 6576826 Alok
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poor americans... 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:52 | 6576837 Grandad Grumps
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Putin 2.0 is an Obama ally. Not sure if Putin 2.0 handling the middle east is an improvement. maybe we will see.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:56 | 6577078 Blankone
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Poor Assad is caught in the middle.  This is one reason why Syria was never delivered the S-300 system they signed a contract for with Russia in 2007.  This is also why Iran has not been delivered the S 300 missiles they also contracted for in 2007.

So now Putin swoops in like a vulture.  Wants to split up Syria, using the threat they will supply advanced weapons, so the get a chunk.  Why not support Assad?  Deliver the S 300 and other systems, have Russian planes bomb the insurgents, put boots on the ground in proper fashion with support and Syria could be taken back, for Syria.  But that is not what Putin is trying to accomplish, he wants a part of Syria for Russia.  This is why Putin forced Syria to give up it's chemical weapons and why Putin has never directly supported Syria.

With friends like these.

Watch out IRAN. 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:24 | 6577746 Ward no. 6
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i think u might be right about poor Assad caught in the middle...

 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:42 | 6577764 conscious being
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Blankone - What is it Volodav would correctly say about yours, above? Ans: Useless talkings.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:52 | 6576838 oak
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so the "arab spring" has failed.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:56 | 6576848 nmewn
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Somebody alert GW ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:06 | 6576891 SDShack
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It depends on what your definition of "failed" is, and to whom you are asking the question. I suspect there are lots of elites that feel the "arab spring" has been a smashing success.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:18 | 6576937 nmewn
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Actually, what is called the Arab Spring started out as an anti-government secularist revolt that the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted Islamists soon took over...thereafter it became forever more...the Arab Spaaarrring! 

Just to set the record straight ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:36 | 6576999 conscious being
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nmewn, grow up. YOUR 'Arab Spring' was a US/Zato psy-op from the get go. Probably another Knoodleman-Kagan creation.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:56 | 6577077 nmewn
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My Arab Spring?...lol. Dude, it started in Tunisia if I recall correctly, when a simple fruit peddler trying to get by in life didn't have the proper GOVERNMENT ISSUED LICENSE!

It had nothing to do with the fucking spooks at the CIA or the idiots in Mossad or Iranians or St.Pooty. Why don't you get your head out of your ass?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:12 | 6577148 conscious being
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Nmewn, hillarious. You must have those velcro shoes, 'cause I can't believe you know how to tie the regular ones.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:17 | 6577178 nmewn
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So, you can't back your previous claim/assertion with any evidence whatsoever that the Arab Spring was plotted & started by baby blood drinking zio/cia jooo's?

Color me fucking shocked.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:32 | 6577250 conscious being
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nmewn  - you are so stupid. Look up Gen. Wesley Clark.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:10 | 6577388 Element
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No fuck that. You provide the evidence. No weaseling out with your Russian troll obfuscations, prove your assertions with verifiable evidence, or sit down and STFU.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:12 | 6577404 conscious being
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Did you look it up? No. Then how do you know its not evidence?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:23 | 6577438 nmewn
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An accusation or statement of fact is usually accompanied by something more tangible & verifiable than the assertive bleatings of you or "General" Wesley Clark who apparently was ready to start world war fucking three over 250 Russian troops on a fucking airstrip in Kosovo of all places...lol.

Yeah...show da poof dude or shut the fuck up...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:24 | 6577439 Element
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Come on honey, I won't be rough this time, I promise, come show me what you've got in your panties, that indelibly proves your point.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:49 | 6577602 Element
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Given you're too gutless to back up your claims, I'll just debunk them anyway:

 

In October, 2007, Gen. Wesley Clark gave a speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco (seven-minute excerpt in the video below) in which he denounced what he called “a policy coup” engineered by neocons in the wake of 9/11. After recounting how a Pentagon source had told him weeks after 9/11 of the Pentagon’s plan to attack Iraq notwithstanding its non-involvement in 9/11, this is how Clark described the aspirations of the “coup” being plotted by Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and what he called “a half dozen other collaborators from the Project for the New American Century”:
 
    Six weeks later, I saw the same officer, and asked: “Why haven’t we attacked Iraq? Are we still going to attack Iraq?”
 
    He said: “Sir, it’s worse than that. He said – he pulled up a piece of paper off his desk – he said: “I just got this memo from the Secretary of Defense’s office. It says we’re going to attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years – we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.

 

Which means the meeting would have been in about mid-Nov 2001 according tho the quote's timing, so the five years period was up by Nov 2006.

Only one of the seven attacks claimed took place.

The Attack on Lebanon by Israel in July 2006 was also triggered by a Hezbollah operation that Killed IDF soldiers at the border. Hassan Nasrallah readily admitted to this after the war, and said it was a Hezbollah mistake.

So you can't claim that one as part of the seven, either.

And there's absolutely nothing about Tunisia, which occurred from the 17th Dec 2010, or four years after the stated 5-year window. And nothing about Egypt either.

 

Conclusion:  Nwewn was entirely right. And what clark spoke of in 2007, covering the period Nov 2001 to Nov 2006 - simply did not occur.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:07 | 6577723 ThirdWorldDude
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You're behind the curve. Here, let me debunk your conclusions:

Getting Our Facts Straight on the "Arab Spring"

 

Oh, and Wesley (WC is an appropriate acronym for him) is/was somebody's tool...

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:52 | 6578086 Element
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No, I'm not going to just adopt another pat narrative (though I will read that later).

This link is to a comment I made just a few minutes before replying to this one, and is how I see this whole problem of the Internet's 'free information', and its propagandists, and all the unsolicited bonus narratives, such as those from the site you linked.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-21/ron-paul-rages-dont-blame-ameri...

 

So all the promoters of bonus ideas, and allegories of woe, are going to have a really hard time harnessing this particular donkey to carry their water for them. Slavery of the mind leads to slavery of the whole being. 

 

No one is going to turn this being into a beast of burden to slavishly carry their precision-mind-fuck ideas around for them.  ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:33 | 6577414 nmewn
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Wesley Clark? Of the 1st Cav in Vietnam? Of Pristina Airport?...lol.

Yep, you're insane.

/////

Oh, I'm crushed by "democracy"...lmao!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:24 | 6577441 nmewn
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Bottoms up!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:34 | 6576989 Freddie
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They created chaos, stole billions from taxpayers and murdered probably a few million people so in their sick minds it has been a success.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:25 | 6577218 Shad_ow
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...or maybe like many other parts of the agenda, it has succeeded greatly.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:33 | 6577252 FireBrander
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"so the "arab spring" has failed."

Appears it wasn't "Spring" after all; the start of a LONG, HARD winter...

I remember people gushing with hope and enthusiam...I held my tounge...but I knew how it would go...the only way that part of the world sees peace is if they dump religion..Christianity has held back the West..but Islam doesn't just hold them back...it reverses them...literally...the fanatics want to go back to the 1500's...at least Christianity ebraces/enjoys "modern society" to fair a degree.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:15 | 6577733 bid the soldier...
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On the other hand, we're quite proud of the "arab destabilization" thing.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:53 | 6576841 The Gladiator
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Oh snap! If Russia becomes a good guy,by defeating ISIS,who will Washington have for a boogey man? How will they justify all the alphabet agency's existance? Well,not to worry.Washington has some very smart people. s/c

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:04 | 6576879 nmewn
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Those clever, deceitful, baby-blood drinking jooo's, this has all been an intricately woven plot to make St.Pooty look good hasn't it?

What on earth could be their end game?! ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:24 | 6576956 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha
And you gets yo ass a buncha greenies fo dat!  Sheeeeiiiit. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:27 | 6576965 nmewn
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LMAO!...just pointing out the mental midgets I have to deal with around here constantly. - Rabbi Nmewn ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:37 | 6577002 nnnnnn
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when i was 10 years old i always played chess against my jooo papa 

once every month he lost to me   i knew he lost on purpose so i keep the motivation to play again and again

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:43 | 6577026 nmewn
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So you came to this revelation then or when you were more mature? Not much point in playing with him if you knew then you were gonna lose.

Or did you just want to learn, chess, that is? ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:06 | 6577127 nnnnnn
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i noticed after the around the third time and i told him

 

but there is another aspect:   if two brothers are playing a cup against each other; no matter which one will win, the prize will go to the same family

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:26 | 6577222 nmewn
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"i noticed after the around the third time and i told him"

And yet, you continued to play, knowing he was toying with you...or teaching you?

"but there is another aspect:   if two brothers are playing a cup against each other; no matter which one will win, the prize will go to the same family"

Well sure, provided one brother doesn't get envious & kill his brother for the family prize.

Then things get complicated ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:03 | 6577057 Cabreado
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You should try to drop the "joo" thing,

and look to power and control as motivation;

concentrate then -- it is not "joo."

What a shame it is to have to remind an otherwise intelligent man that power and control transcends "religion,"

and always has...

and your simplistic thinking does nothing but feed the fire fueled by ignorance, the grand enabler of the controllers.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:31 | 6577243 nmewn
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"You should try to drop the "joo" thing"

I can't help it Muslims can't spell in English.

"What a shame it is to have to remind an otherwise intelligent man that power and control transcends "religion,"

and always has...

and your simplistic thinking does nothing but feed the fire fueled by ignorance, the grand enabler of the controllers."

I believe that's what I just pointed out to the "simplistic thinking" conscious being tard up top.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:49 | 6577310 emersonreturn
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nmewn, please read some rumi & get back to us

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:31 | 6577463 nmewn
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Apparently I don't read the shit you guys (as in..."us"...lol) read but obviously what I do read is verifiable fact. 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:48 | 6577769 conscious being
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Facts. Like the guy who started the Arab Spring??? ;)

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 05:58 | 6577942 nmewn
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Mohamed Bouazizi did not set himself on fire in protest of the way he was treated by his own GOVERNMENT and many others across the region saw it and felt the same way about THEIR oppressive MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS as well and started protesting too?

Wait...now I get your point, there are in fact MILLIONS of baby-blood drinking cia-zio-jooo-psy-op's spread all across the ME just waiting for the order from Dick Cheney in his command bunker to launch themselves into the streets.

Right?

Good gawd they're everywhere, in fact you're surrounded by them and only the prophet Wesley Clark can save you ;-)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:41 | 6577268 maxwellsdemon
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Cabreado; empires may or may not held together by religion or tribaliam but the JEWISH FINANICAL EMPIRE (JFE)is held together by a combination of Religious Judiaism and Tribal Judaism.   Any Jew can self identify as either or both of these, but a Jew IS one of them or both of them by definition.   There are no atheist Catholics yet there are milions of atheist jews; there are also some very religious jews who care not a whit about the 'tribe' of jews as a wholel.  Jewish commentators on the internet lately are admitting that they refuse to identify as even Caucasion!!! So what are they?  Where did they derive from if not Caucasian.  The Ashkanzi are from Khazaria and are Turkish Finnish mixture; the Sephardic are semitic people.  ).

 

The Japanese Shito empire is the closest surviving thing to Judaism and the xenophobia of the Japanese even today is legendary.  Japanese born abroad are thought lesser than Japanese born in Japan just as Jews living abroad are though to be less valuabel than Jews living in Israel.   At least Japan already has their homeland and the borders of it are pretty well delineated by ocean thankfully!

 

The Shinto Japanese never pretended to assimilate into another country as a strategy to gain control of a country; they were too proud for that.  But the Jewish tribe has made this their CENTER STRATEGY .  "We control America" as Bibi said.  Every US Central bank president Jewish; every major US bank run by Jews,...etc. 

 

The Japanese have lately avoided saying that non Japanese are inferior or are meant to server them but the Chief Rabbi of the Likud party, Rabbi Yosef, said this a few years ago on during his major radio broadcast in Israel !!!!  Tribal jews say they are special and trot out their genetic inheritance of high IQ (or high rates of mental illness or both) .  Religious jews don't even have to say it  the goys, they know they are "chosen' by the sky wizard and the goys are not.   

Due to the adoption by the goys of central banking in the 1600's, Judaism has defeated Christianity.  Goy kings needed money to fight wars and the jewish bankers gave them a way to do that without having to raise taxes and thus risk getting deposed; but the cost was the transfer of control of the nation state to the bankers.  

 

Jjews know that the goys will begin to wake up eventuallyl as the financial screws are tightened by the greediness of the Jewish bankers.  Hence they they are playing for all the stakes right now but in a way that minimizes the harm to them should the worse outcome occur (that is what game theory is for).

 

The JFE has taken control of Western foreign policy in order to force the game to the conclusion and that is to obtain world domination. If they win, they will control all forever and then cull the heard over time, reducing non Jewish population gradually and increasing their own. If they lose, that is if the world ends up in a major war, again they think the war will be between the US,England, France, China, and Russia; at the conclusion, the only surviviing intact nuclear power will be Israel and India.  India and Pakistan can be engineered into their own confronation at some point, thus destoying the Muslim and Hindus.

 

That is the plan.  Jews are logical and know absoulutely no limits on material desires, because no such limits are in their belief system

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:58 | 6577340 emersonreturn
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please, maxwellsdemon, get a second account so when you are jettisoned we can still hear your reasoned accounts and insights.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:33 | 6577468 maxwellsdemon
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O.K I will but it will be an honor to get kicked off and have to come up with a new name!.    Let me add that what Putin has done by moving Russian forces into Syria.  He has done the classic Chess move of boxing in the King to force a stalemate; if the King attacks, he comes under check.   Israel is the King; if  Israel attacks Syria, there is a risk of war with Russia; if Israel attacks Iran, resulting in Iran attacking Israel back with advanced missles, then any US attempt to aid Israel risks a large nuclear exchange with Russiaa and the US and mushroom clouds respect no countries borders.  Putin waited to publically go into to Syrian until AFTER the Iran nuclear deal went through in the US.

The JFE/Israel will back off from their Ukraine gambit now; if Russia is forced to fight in the Ukraine and become a target of ire in the West, then an escalation in Syria can occur and a Russia/Israeli confrontatino is more likely to occur..

Putin is the defender and protector of the Christian goys and atheist goys, maybe the Shia, Kurdish, and Alawite goys and thus is the target of the JFE, as is Xi who is the defender of Asian goys.  The Pope is lost in space right now and doesn't protect anything except the JFE, perhaps because that is who controls the bank accounts of the Vatican, seeing how the Catholic church's only asset in this age is money, not land.

 

So there is hope. 

With time, the goys in the West will wake up as their pension monies are appropriated and their bonds yield nothing, just as the German middle class found their pensions and bonds worthless due to hyperinflation, albeit much faster than will occur in the West now.  The goys will have to live off of thieir savings until they have nothing and then, and only then, will they begin to wake up.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:18 | 6577421 Cabreado
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You are describing excuses provided-when-convenient by so-called "religion."

You have a long-winded ready-to-go diatribe...

You are missing the point that is a propensity of a certain number of humans who aspire to control,
and pathologically, must...

and left unchecked,

will succeed in the process of creating chaos.

Your drivel -- it serves no one. 
You will find that humility enables the Principles...
which transcends any "religious" righteousness.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:35 | 6577494 maxwellsdemon
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my 'drivel' serves the goys so that the goys are not 'served' to the JFE

 

Lets not use the word goy which means 'cattle' to the 'chosen'.  Lets not use the word "Gentile" becasue to survive thegoys can't be anything close to being 'gentile'.   How about the word "Divine".  The Chosen vs the Devine.   No.   How about "Super Chosen".   Yes, the "Super Chosen'.   There are the "Old Greedy Chosen" (OGC) that is the Jews, and there are the "New Super Chosen" (NSC) , that is the rest of us.'  Yes we (NSC) are the Great Sky Wizards' favorite children now, not the OGC ! We come in many different colors! We excell in many different things!  We are the NSC !!

 

 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 02:24 | 6577795 qomolangma
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NSC = National Security Council :-) ... Edward Snowden's former holding corporation

OGC = Organization of Gulf Countries

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:59 | 6577533 maxwellsdemon
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" At least Japan already has their homeland and the borders of it are pretty well delineated by ocean thankfully!"

 

I have to admit that it took a couple of Atom bombs, 4 million dead Japanese, and 30 million dead Chinese for the Japanese to define their borders

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 02:29 | 6577666 qomolangma
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"I have to admit that it took a couple of Atom bombs, 4 million dead Japanese, and 30 million dead Chinese for the Japanese to define their borders"

 

Hence, the Japs still owe the Chinese people the huge unpayable war reparations and the heartedly sincerest apology for all the massacres & atrocities incl. those early stages of biological & chemical warfare, immense material destructions and looting of Chinese wealth for the Jap's warring efforts, the sexual slavery of Comfort Women, the Rape of Nanking, and many others...

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:26 | 6577894 Lurk Skywatcher
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And they will get an apology at the same time all the entire history of the worlds other apologies are given.

Never.

 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 09:01 | 6578439 Victor von Doom
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This "apology" and "saying sorry" crap is just psy-ops to undermine national self-determination.

As for the specific above? I know when the Japanese "should" apologise to the Chinese, and for that matter, Korea, Burma, the US and a gammit of others.

Never.

No-one else does. Why be the patsy?

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 00:27 | 6577658 qomolangma
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Thanks maxwellsdemon, it's an interesting read.

 

--- some annoying typos are spotted and corrected and reloaded in whole --

 

Empires may or may not be held together by religion or tribalism but the JEWISH FINANCIAL EMPIRE (JFE) is held together by a combination of Religious Judaism and Tribal Judaism.  Any Jew can self identify as either or both of these, but a Jew IS one of them or both of them by definition.  There are no atheist Catholics yet there are millions of atheist Jews; there are also some very religious Jews who care not a whit about the 'tribe' of Jews as a whole.  Jewish commentators on the internet lately are admitting that they refuse to identify as even Caucasian!!! So what are they?  Where did they derive from if not Caucasian.  The Ashkenazi are from Khazaria and are Turkish Finnish mixture; the Sephardic are semitic people.
 

The Japanese Shinto empire is the closest surviving thing to Judaism and the xenophobia of the Japanese even today is legendary.  Japanese born abroad are thought lesser than Japanese born in Japan just as Jews living abroad are thought to be less valuabe than Jews living in Israel.  At least Japan already has their homeland and the borders of it are pretty well delineated by ocean thankfully!
 

The Shinto Japanese never pretended to assimilate into another country as a strategy to gain control of a country; they were too proud for that.  But the Jewish tribe has made this their CENTER STRATEGY.  "We control America" as Bibi said.  Every US Central Bank president is Jewish; every major US bank run by Jews,...etc.
 

The Japanese have lately avoided saying that non Japanese are inferior or are meant to serve them but the Chief Rabbi of the Likud party, Rabbi Yosef, said this a few years ago on during his major radio broadcast in Israel !!!!  Tribal Jews say they are special and trot out their genetic inheritance of high IQ (or high rates of mental illness or both).  Religious Jews don't even have to say it to the goys, they know they are "chosen' by the sky wizard and the goys are not.

Due to the adoption by the goys of central banking in the 1600's, Judaism has defeated Christianity.  Goy kings needed money to fight wars and the Jewish bankers gave them a way to do that without having to raise taxes and thus risk getting deposed; but the cost was the transfer of control of the nation state to the bankers.
 

Jews know that the goys will begin to wake up eventually as the financial screws are tightened by the greediness of the Jewish bankers.  Hence they they are playing for all the stakes right now but in a way that minimizes the harm to them should the worse outcome occur (that is what game theory is for).
 

The JFE has taken control of Western foreign policy in order to force the game to the conclusion and that is to obtain world domination. If they win, they will control all forever and then cull the heads over time, reducing non Jewish population gradually and increasing their own. If they lose, that is if the world ends up in a major war, again they think the war will be between the US, England, France, China, and Russia; at the conclusion, the only surviving intact nuclear power will be Israel and India.  India and Pakistan can be engineered into their own confrontation at some point, thus destroying the Muslim and Hindus.
 

That is the plan.  Jews are logical and know absolutely no limits on material desires, because no such limits are in their belief system.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:58 | 6576853 Freddie
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Another ZH member had posted this web site article about the CSTO.  .

http://www.voltairenet.org/article188763.html

CSTO **will** intervene in Iraq and Syria to stop terrorists.  Hopefully, China, Iran, Syria, Iraq and others join in to end the ZWO/NWO terrorism in Iraq and Syria with their phony terrorist proxy armies.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:58 | 6577346 emersonreturn
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freddie, i believe that was indelicate.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:00 | 6576860 nnnnnn
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i hope putin will establish real peace in iraq and syria so people can live a normal life without being threatened by cia and israel created boogeymans and artificial chaos    i doubt usa will let that happen tru

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:06 | 6576893 Cabreado
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USA so-called "foreign policy" has backed itself into a corner; Putin takes advantage.

Where's the surprise?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:07 | 6576900 oak
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since usa and russia are the two largest oil produce nations, the world is forever being changed.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:07 | 6576902 Anunnaki
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Now would be a good time for Poroshkenko's fall offensive

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:12 | 6576917 conscious being
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He'll only lose more territory. Those NAF guys kick-ass.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:32 | 6576984 HowdyDoody
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The Ukrainian morons and US Tatar stooge Mustafa Dzhemilev have started a blockade of food trucks heading in to Crimea from Ukraine. Dzhemilev is seen cringing before Obama in this photo

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sttelli/67190258/301268/301268_900.jpg

Crimea will just rely less and less on Ukraine for trade. The bridge at the Kerch ferry crossing is under construction. Once that project is complete, Crime will have unrestiicted all-weather road and rail access to mainland Russia. So any short term troubles for Crimea will become long-term troubles for Ukraine. A large power plant is also under construction near Simferporol. When that is up and running, Ukraine can say goodbye to even more energy transit fees.

Thje next stage for the Ukrainian idiots is a Nazi blockade of Transnistria, where Russian troops are the legally established peace-keeping force. This looks a lot like the situation between Georgia and Ossetia, where Russia was the official peace-keeping force. US stooge Suckassvili launched an attack against Ossetia and was stamped on by Russia. Guess who is in charge of the area of Ukraine bordering Transdnistra? Suckassvili.

https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/screen-shot-2015-02-15-a...

It would be ironic if Russia ended up providing humanitarian aid to blockaded Transnistria, Berlin airlift style.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:46 | 6577036 fleur de lis
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What's the deal with Transnistria? For such a tiny srtp of land why would Kiev risk a fight with the Ruskies? Do the have a lot of natural resources?

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 01:04 | 6577721 qomolangma
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Erection of 2 base thermal power plants started in Crimea (31st July 2015)

 

Large power plants are also under construction near Simferopol and Sevastopol, 470 MW each. Each station will have 2 units. According to Yegorov, the construction of station use modern equipment that does not consume much fuel, high efficiency, closed-loop water consumption. Power station raises Firm Technopromexport, a subsidiary of Rostec.

Crimea is 70% dependent on the supply of electric energy from Ukraine. According to the estimates of the Ministry of energy of the Russian Federation, the region needed an additional approximately 880 MW of capacity. Before the end of the current year, primarily energy bridge in the region should be introduced, which will allow to give to the Crimea from the mainland to 300-350 MW every day. The second phase will provide an opportunity to increase the power flow To 800-840 MW.

http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/122620/

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:53 | 6577068 Freddie
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Good luck with that.  DPR PM Zakarchenko said there will be no Minsk 3 if Kiev starts another war.

DPR and LPR are probably better equipped now than the Ukriainian Army.  Fortunately, many Ukies realized they were being used by Kiev and abandonded their gear including tanks and BMPs to DPR and LPR.

Yats and Porky are a joke.  I would think that most Ukrainians realize that Zakarchenko is more like them then dual shit-i-ZZens yats and Porky.

 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:26 | 6577848 datura
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Now would be a good time for Poroshkenko's fall offensive..........

ummmm....there are already real Russian soldiers now in the Donbass. Poroshenko have been boasting about fighting Russia, but I very much doubt he REALLY wants to fight Russia. 

From the Saker> In brief: the romantic and loveable motley crews of self-defenders and local militias are being replaced by a ultra-modern armed forces, mobile, trained, disciplined, well paid, and armed with latest weapon and all the bells and whistles of the modern warfare. No more cab drives, miners, and school teachers armed with a Turkey war period cannon from a local museum and AK-45 honestly put together with a sticky tape. Now, Donbass has an army of Russian men and women for whom war is a profession. Everybody wishes that it wouldn’t come to this. That Donbass would become a part of Russia a year ago, together with Crimea, and live peacefully and happy. But, Donbass stands not just against Kiev junta. Russian Donbass stands against Euro-fascism and Amero-Zionism. They have started this war and intend to have it until Russia is destroyed. Russia believes that it’s time for EU and US to cease and decease.

And that’s why Donbass has got an ultra-modern armed forces. Click to see gorgeous Russian Imperial flag of the 1st Army Corps of the Ministry of Defense of Donetsk People Republic. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:10 | 6576909 Anunnaki
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Whose leg is Churkin a jerkin' with that crap, "The US doesn't want to see Assad fall." Utter bullflop

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:19 | 6576926 conscious being
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Anunnaki - doesn't want to see the regieme fall now that Europe is freaking out over refugees. Samantha Powers, that evil witch, hasn't got the memo yet.

From Freddy's link to the VoltaireNet article - "It would seem that the Western powers still fail to understand the consequences of their policies."

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:48 | 6577304 Anunnaki
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I would like to see Assad stay in power b/c under ISIS, my people - the Assyrians/Syriac Christians - in Syria have either been murdered, sex slaved or driven out of their ancestral homes. So yeah, I hope Chinless bug splats every one of Eliot Shimon fake Baghdadi's headlopping scum. Let Peace Prize and Lurch Kerry soil themselves as Lemonhead uppercuts them in Syria like he did last summer in Ukraine.

Putin 2

Obomber 0

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:27 | 6577590 COSMOS
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How many illegals from Middle East will Ukraine have to take according to Germany's plan.

Hmmm

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:43 | 6577025 samsara
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I think it's been 'think tanked' to Assad failing equals ten times the diaspora.

So the currents have changed

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 02:00 | 6577778 conscious being
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That's a good way to put it samsara.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 10:03 | 6578489 Victor von Doom
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"Utter bullfop". True. He's just pushing the envelope now that Putin has the upper hand. Go on US. Call him out on his bullshit. Say openly that you still demand the fall of the Assad regime, now that Putin has publicly stated he is backing them.

Yeah. That's what I thought.

The old game of brinksmanship, alive and well.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:18 | 6576936 o r c k
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The Assad regime - where people are arrested for protesting and claiming their rights, according to the US ambassador to the UN.

Samantha Power has never seen a Youtube video that she couldn't ignore. Just try to "claim your rights" when in contact with ANY authority in the US.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:22 | 6576951 conscious being
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And the "gassing" claim again? From the evil, lying, witch Samantha Powers? Somebody put her in touch with Seymour Hersh.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:26 | 6576962 knukles
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Some guy cut a loud smelly one on the course the other morning.  Does that count?  No?
Well then how about Macing kids in the face?  Oh, that never happened here?  Gosh.
Get back over to your free speech zone, peasant.  No, you cannot hand out copies of the Constitution.  It's illegal.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:40 | 6577014 samsara
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And aluminum tubes, and mobile chemical units, WMDs...

Sorry, got confused in the last bunch of lies...

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:28 | 6577849 Escapeclaws
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Have you seen photos of that woman? She looks like sombody stuck her in the dishwasher. You have to wonder if she cut the heads off her dolls when she was an adorable little imp.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:18 | 6577185 Freddie
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Protest in one of Samantha's dual shit-i-Zen color revolution countries and you might get shot in the back by Polish or Georgian paramilitaries and See Eye Aye goons.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:21 | 6576939 Moccasin
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This article makes some leaps of faith and bad assumptions. The US already ceded most of Iraq to Iran. Saudi, Turkey and Israel are the backers of IS and the proxy supporter the USA is nothing but a minion of Israel. The bottom line is IS will continue to be funded until they win or lose in Syria and if it looks like they are going to lose in Syria, then you can expect them to attack Iran with a last ditch effort to survive. Let us not forget who IS is, a CIA/Mossad creation, they have been Mujahideen , re-branded as Al-Qæda who was re-branded as ISIL/ISIS/ and now IS for short. The CIA investment into creating this boogeyman is too big for the military industrial complex to just roll over and give up. I expect some dirty tricks, back stabbing and a few big time (MSM) IS terrorist events to keep the public living in fear and the MIC in the game.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:30 | 6576977 conscious being
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Moccasin - look into it. CIA armies have often failed. Twice in the fifties, they invaded China from Burma, expecting the population to rise up. When they did not, the KMT was chased out of Kunming and then out of Burma by the PLA. Bay of Pigs, another example.

Expect 'them' to attack Iran? Who is them? ISUS can not attack Iran and if the US/Israelis/Zato attack Iran, its WWIII. So, I don't think so.

This is what US hegemony fading into the sunset looks like.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:57 | 6577336 Moccasin
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Point taken. The them I am referring to is the Saudi & CIA funded IS organization. Saudi, with the help of its partners (cia/mossad) will not be satisfied with a loss in Syria and also has long term designs on Iran. I expect this to war to drag out for years. As you suggest, US hegemony will fade into the sunset with consecutive defeats.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:43 | 6577615 maxwellsdemon
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I agree but it appears that Yemen is the 'face saving' strategy by the Saudis who know now that they are set up for defeat in Syria.  Little does Saudi's rulers understand that Yemen is going to be their Vietnam; a constant drain on money, men, and international prestige.  They are going to have to hawk their oilfeilds to the JFE to pay for it and the US Navy will hang around the Persian Gulf to make sure the Saudis pay to the JFE what they will owe.

 

The JFE/USA will alow the Iranians to supply Yemen with just enough equipment to prevent defeat and so to rack the debts up even higher to the JFE 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 02:07 | 6577783 conscious being
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Clever Max. Maybe Goldman Sachs will call? You could have a career as a bankster.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:41 | 6577860 Escapeclaws
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According to Webster Tarpley, Yemen is the site of an undisclosed or MSM suppressed humanitarian disaster with seven million people lacking access to water and food. Why do we continue to drink the wine of her fornication (oil) of the great whore of Babylon?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:35 | 6576993 samsara
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Believe it, Putin knows all that. Politically speaking, 'we'll take Syria, you take Iraq' was a checkmate of sorts. And in your face move

Checkers vs chess

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:24 | 6576954 grunk
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PUTIN:

What part of

"You aren't putting the Saudi/Qatar gas pipeline through Syria"

do you not understand?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:30 | 6576969 clade7
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Putin on the Ritz!

Moccasin summed it up, I'm drunk as a fiddlers bitch and cant type long things...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:39 | 6577012 Son of Captain Nemo
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Guess we figured out who got too fidgety with the "trigger finger" again with that mortar round landing in the Russian Embassy's back yard in Syria?...

Zionist kikes always getting in the way with overzealous "rabid" stupid moves!

Kissinger to BiBi...

Booby I'm sorr,y but we are going to have to use the "White Chimp" to stand down on Syria!

You stupid putz!  You and Kagan really fucked this one up!!!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:52 | 6577049 Son of Captain Nemo
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Russia is poised to return to the Middle East, from which it was ejected with the collapse of the USSR. The United States seems to be telling Russia to go ahead, because it is unwilling to engage – though it is not yet ready to fully retreat.

How to interpret this one?...

Coupled with China's ownership "the other" nuclear option!

Now you be a good little chimp, pack up the gear and you and the "hurdy gurdy" man run along now!!!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:59 | 6577091 dsty
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have you got anything but Kike and Jew

crap for brains

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:17 | 6577180 conscious being
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dsty - why are you slagging your own like that?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:50 | 6577505 Son of Captain Nemo
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have you got anything but Kike and Jew...

You forgot chimp!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:41 | 6577018 HowdyDoody
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Just for extra fun, Russia has upgraded its naval port at Novorossyisk on the mainland Black Sea coast. It is going to be the home of modern diesel-electric subs.

What do they say about naval vessels?

There are only two types of naval vessels - subs and targets.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:26 | 6577224 Freddie
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What are these medium sized subs they have that supposedly are designed just for the Caspian Sea which is landlocked.  It is a way to get around one of the treaties and is a smart move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava

I think they will carry Bulava SLBM on these subs and can hit 6,200 miles out.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:52 | 6577061 Ace006
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>> Washington has refrained from intervening on Syria through a presidential decision years ago. <<

This is a helpful article but the idea that the U.S. has refrained from intervening in Syria is just not supported by the evidence. We've be fooling around there for years with no idea whatsoever what our goals are except, of late, "regime change."

Who is this fool in the WH who takes it on himself to decide that Assad has "lost legitimacy"? 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:53 | 6577067 JR
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The US “is unwilling to engage – though it is not yet ready to fully retreat."

"That’s General Meade during the Civil War - neither going forward, nor back.

Union General George Meade couldn’t decide if he should pursue General Lee’s army following the Battle of Gettysburg and since his troops did very well at Gettysburg he couldn’t retreat. His resolve:  Stay put. As a result he lost his position in the army.

After Meade's win in Gettysburg the Confederate Army under Lee went back to Virginia. When Meade did not pursue the Confederacy during its retreat he was criticized for not doing so. From then on, the Union’s aggressive war maneuvers were led by General Ulysses S. Grant. Meade’s inaction lengthened the war by two years.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:33 | 6577251 Freddie
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Civil War = banksters war where tribal european and American banskters devised a plan to destroy and loot the south.

Funny how it looks like all there other plans including Libya, Syria and the Ukraine today.   Mass murder followed by looting.  See the tribe carpetbaggers from the north who came in to loot the south. 

Meade was probably a hero because he realized the phony war was genocide where Christian Americans killed other Christian Americans. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:30 | 6577461 JR
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Excellent parallel, Freddie.

USYSSES S. GRANT: "I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the special regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officers at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold. (Letters to C. P. Wolcott, assistant secretary of war, Washington, December 17, 1862)

WILLIAM T. SHERMAN: "I found so many Jews and speculators here trading in cotton, and secessionists had become so open in refusing anything but gold, that I have felt myself bound to stop it. The gold can have but one use -- the purchase of arms and ammunition . . . Of course, I have respected all permits by yourself or the Secretary of the Treasury, but in these new cases (of Jews), I have stopped it." (The Sherman Letters)

L. F. ROSS (Ross confronted Jewish 'carpetbagging' cotton traders preying upon captured Confederate areas during the Civil War): "The cotton speculators are quite clamorous for aid in the getting their cotton away from Middleburg, Hickory Valley, etc., and offer to pay liberally for the service. I think I can bring it away with safety, and make it pay to the Government. As some of the Jewish owners have as good as stolen the cotton from the planters, I have no conscientious scruples in making them pay liberally to take it away." (Letter to General John A. McClelland)

FREDERICK LAW OLMSTED: "A swarm of Jews has, within the last ten years, settled in every Southern town, many of them men of no character, opening cheap clothing and trinket shops, ruining or driving out of business many of the old retailers, and engaging in an unlawful trade with the simple Negroes, which is found very profitable. (The Cotton Kingdom)

MARK (S. L. Clemens) TWAIN: "In the U.S. cotton states, after the war . . . the Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the Negroes' wants on credit, and at the end of the season was the proprietor of the Negro's share of the present crop and part of the next one..."

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:53 | 6577070 Herdee
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It looks to me that Iraq and Syria will end up coming into the new economic strategy in Central Asia with Russia and China the two big players and outside the U.S. dollar system.Same thng is happening in Afghanistan,it's the Chinese taking control of the mining industry there.Americans spend all the money to fight war but end up with making only enemies.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:55 | 6577075 q99x2
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Good. Now that that is settled lets move on to Ukraine.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:06 | 6577126 anachronism
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Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant diplomacy! Putin should get the 2017 Nobel Peace Prize if this strategy proves successful in the next 12 months.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:12 | 6577145 flapdoodle
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This whole article is pure, imaginative bullshit. Obama called "terrorism" conference and Russia goes along with it? With the US being the greatest sponsor of terrorism worldwide?

(Not IRAN as Zionist MSM and Drudge continually claim and would have you believe based on... well, what is best for Israel perception wise)

US "doesn't want to be involved in Syria"?? What is this crap?

 

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:16 | 6577173 Monetas
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