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Secret Cable Reveals US Plan To Overthrow Assad By Exploiting "Extremist Groups"

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Now that Europe’s worsening refugee crisis and Russia’s stepped up support for the regime of Bashar al-Assad have (finally) focused the world’s attention on Syria’s four-year, bloody civil war, inquiring minds want to know: how did it happen that the country, which is now at risk of becoming a failed state, descend into chaos? 

Of course when we speak of “inquiring minds” we mean those of the general public which, to this point, has remained largely ignorant of the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are dying in a place that shares a border with the country the US supposedly just got done “liberating.” 

Generally speaking, the line you’ll get from the mainstream media is that Syria is just one more example of a Mid-East country where the populace finally reached its breaking point with the injustices created by the brutal regime of an evil autocrat. The resultant chaos, the narrative continues, created a breeding ground for terror which explains why Raqqa has become the de facto capital for ISIS, the Western media’s boogeyman par excellence. 

Not to put too fine a point on it - and this won’t surprise anyone who frequents these pages - but that narrative is pure, unadulterated garbage. The real story (again, generally speaking), is that Syria is pivotal for the existing balance of power - and not only the regional balance of power, but the global balance of power as well. The alliance between Bashar al-Assad’s Syria and Moscow, Tehran, and Hezbollah serves as a kind of counterbalance to cooperation among the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey (among others). Should the Assad regime be allowed to fall and the West allowed to influence the post-regime political outcome, the scales would tip, Russia would lose its naval base at Tartus, and Iran’s access to Hezbollah, not to mention the scope of its regional influence would be severely constrained. Assad’s move to support the Islamic Pipeline while rejecting the Qatar-Turkey pipeline was a manifestation of the situation described above. 

But even as the world begins gradually to come around to the idea that the US and the West might well have had a role in supporting many of the rebel groups that are currently fighting for control of Syria, the notion that Washington might have intentionally started the Syrian civil war by provoking Sunni extremists (among other tactics) is still seen by many as too horrific a possibility to take seriously. Unfortunately - as a declassified secret US government document obtained by the public interest law firm Judicial Watch (profiled here) suggested earlier this year - it's highly likely that the US intentionally destabilized the Assad regime in pursuit of Washington’s geopolitical interests. That deliberate destabilization has now led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and untold human suffering. 

As it turns out, there’s still more evidence available to support the notion that Syria’s civil war was engineered by the Pentagon. In his new book, Julian Assange highlights a cable from acting Deputy Chief of Mission in Syria William Roebuck who was stationed in Damascus from 2004-2006. It’s available in full from Wikileaks and below are what we believe to be the most notable excerpts, presented without further comment.

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Original Classification:SECRET Current Classification:SECRET

Handling Restrictions-- Not Assigned --

Character Count:14471

From:Syria Damascus Markings:-- Not Assigned --

To:Department of the Treasury | Israel Tel Aviv | National Security Council | Secretary of State | The League of Arab States | U.S. Mission to European Union (formerly EC) (Brussels) | United Nations (New York) | United States Central Command | White House

(S) Summary.  The SARG ends 2006 in a much stronger  position domestically and internationally than it did 2005.  While there may be additional bilateral or multilateral  pressure that can impact Syria, the regime is based on a  small clique that is largely immune to such pressure.  However, Bashar Asad's growing self-confidence )- and  reliance on this small clique -- could lead him to make  mistakes and ill-judged policy decisions through trademark  emotional reactions to challenges, providing us with new  opportunities.  For example, Bashar,s reaction to the  prospect of Hariri tribunal and to publicity for Khaddam and  the National Salvation Front borders on the irrational.  Additionally, Bashar,s reported preoccupation with his image  and how he is perceived internationally is a potential liability in his decision making process.  We believe  Bashar,s weaknesses are in how he chooses to react to  looming issues, both perceived and real, such as a the  conflict between economic reform steps (however limited) and entrenched, corrupt forces, the Kurdish question, and the  potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence  of transiting Islamist extremists.  This cable summarizes our  assessment of these vulnerabilities and suggests that there may be actions, statements, and signals that the USG can send  that will improve the likelihood of such opportunities  arising.  These proposals will need to be fleshed out and  converted into real actions and we need to be ready to move  quickly to take advantage of such opportunities.  Many of our  suggestions underline using Public Diplomacy and more  indirect means to send messages that influence the inner circle.   End Summary. 

(S) The following provides our summary of potential  vulnerabilities and possible means to exploit them: 

-- THE ALLIANCE WITH TEHRAN: Bashar is walking a fine line in his increasingly strong relations with Iran, seeking necessary support while not completely alienating Syria,s  moderate Sunni Arab neighbors by being perceived as aiding Persian and fundamentalist Shia interests.  Bashar's decision  to not attend the Talabani ) Ahmadinejad summit in Tehran following FM Moallem,s trip to Iraq can be seen as a manifestation of Bashar's sensitivity to the Arab optic on  his Iranian alliance. 

-- Possible action: 

-- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE:  There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis.  Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better publicize and focus regional attention on the issue. 

-- Vulnerability: 

-- THE INNER CIRCLE:  At the end of the day, the regime is  dominated by the Asad family and to a lesser degree by Bashar Asad,s maternal family, the Makhlufs, with many family  members believe to be increasingly corrupt. The family, and hangers on, as well as the larger Alawite sect, are not immune to feuds and anti-regime conspiracies, as was evident last year when intimates of various regime pillars (including the Makhloufs) approached us about post-Bashar possibilities. Corruption is a great divider and Bashar's inner circle is subject to the usual feuds and squabbles related to graft and corruption.  For example, it is generally known that Maher Asad is particularly corrupt and incorrigible.  He has no scruples in his feuds with family members or others.  There is also tremendous fear in the Alawite community about retribution if the Sunni majority ever regains power. 

-- Possible Action: 

-- ADDITIONAL DESIGNATIONS: Targeted sanctions against regime members and their intimates are generally welcomed by most elements of Syrian society.  But the way designations are  applied must exploit fissures and render the inner circle weaker rather than drive its members closer together.  The designation of Shawkat caused him some personal irritation and was the subject of considerable discussion in the business community here. While the public reaction to corruption tends to be muted, continued reminders of corruption in the inner circle have resonance.  We should look for ways to remind the public of our previous designations. 

-- Vulnerability: 

-- THE KURDS:  The most organized and daring political  opposition and civil society groups are among the ethnic  minority Kurds, concentrated in Syria,s northeast, as well  as in communities in Damascus and Aleppo.  This group has  been willing to protest violently in its home territory when  others would dare not.  There are few threats that loom  larger in Bashar,s mind than unrest with the Kurds.  In what is a rare occurrence, our DATT was convoked by Syrian Military Intelligence in May of 2006 to protest what the Syrians believed were US efforts to provide military training and equipment to the Kurds in Syria. 

-- Possible Action: 

-- HIGHLIGHT KURDISH COMPLAINTS: Highlighting Kurdish  complaints in public statements, including publicizing human rights abuses will exacerbate regime,s concerns about the Kurdish population.  Focus on economic hardship in Kurdish areas and the SARG,s long-standing refusal to offer citizenship to some 200,000 stateless Kurds.  This issue would need to be handled carefully, since giving the wrong kind of prominence to Kurdish issues in Syria could be a liability for our efforts at uniting the opposition, given  Syrian (mostly Arab) civil society,s skepticism of Kurdish objectives. 

-- Vulnerability: 

-- Extremist elements increasingly use Syria as a base, while  the SARG has taken some actions against groups stating links to Al-Qaeda.  With the killing of the al-Qaida leader on the border with Lebanon in early December and the increasing terrorist attacks inside Syria culminating in the September 12 attack against the US embassy, the SARG,s policies in Iraq and support for terrorists elsewhere as well can be seen to be coming home to roost. 

-- Possible Actions: 

-- Publicize presence of transiting (or externally focused)  extremist groups in Syria, not limited to mention of Hamas and PIJ.  Publicize Syrian efforts against extremist groups in a way that suggests weakness, signs of instability, and uncontrolled blowback.  The SARG,s argument (usually used after terror attacks in Syria) that it too is a victim of terrorism should be used against it to give greater prominence to increasing signs of instability within Syria. 

ROEBUCK 

 

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Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:08 | 6576457 MFL8240
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Stay the hell out, we have no business in that country!  How many young men and woman need to die to satisfy the thirst of these neocons?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:11 | 6576476 Clockwork Orange
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Business is exactly what we have.  Global biz, all dependent on the survival of the petrodollar.  

We will know the tide has turned when Hollywood's blockbuster hits that romanticize covert meddling and super-hero shadow operators turns off the sheeple.  They have to wake up sometime.   That will be the tell that the game is about over.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:15 | 6576489 Jumbotron
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"The World is a Business Mr. Beale"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9XeyBd_IuA

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:25 | 6576523 kliguy38
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Clearly Assad was evil and HAD to go....we are just doing God's work destroying those people's lives

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:48 | 6576591 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Nice one, but you forgot the /sarc tag judging by the humorless downvoters unable to pick up that sarcasm

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:51 | 6576614 TongueStun
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that cable be raycess

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:47 | 6577301 SuperRay
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Asange and Snowden - world class heroes.  The new litmus test.  Has any politician, any at all, supported either one of them?  No?  Then they've got to go.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:15 | 6576490 Bloppy
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Clearly the government has absolutely no idea what to do about Syria and is counting on a continued news media blackout on the subject to keep it away from public awareness. Not hard to do, a few more Kardashian photos usually do the trick.

 

 

 

Ben Carson aide turns trick question against CNN

 

http://tinyurl.com/nnjhr2q


Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:11 | 6576508 junction
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So, we now have proof that the American government is filled with war criminals not much different from the Nazis.  Functionaries like William Roebuck who facilitated the deaths, rape murders and endless destruction in Syria.  I am waiting for our Muslim president to give Roebuck a Presidential Medal of Freedom, just like former Secretary of State Albright got.  Civilian slaughterers deserve a medal in Obama's America. My suggestion is that Obama order a redesign of this medal so it in the shape of the Nazi Iron Cross.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:07 | 6576898 exomike
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Conversely, how many Neo-Cons, Neo-Liberals, Banksters, CEOs, politicians, and 1%ers would have to die to stop this shit? That's right, orders of magnitude less humans and an order of magnitude higher percentage of psychopaths if you target that group.

So, where are all these loudmouthed Second Amendent guys? Or are your guns really just for hunting and/or target practice or maybe for shooting at un-armed imaginary bleeding heart social liberals in Volvos? 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:45 | 6577031 sidiji
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So what's new? We've know for years the US and  the Saudis behind al-queda/ISIL in Syria...another case of CIA losing control of its muppets, so what else is new?

Maybe it's time to disband the CIA, because historically it's an agency that has managed to screw up everything it has ever touched.  What a bunch of jokers what a bunch of amateur morons.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:17 | 6577179 exomike
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Conversely, how many Neo-Cons, Banksters, CEOs, politicians, and 1%ers would have to die to stop this shit? That's right, orders of magnitude less humans and an order of magnitude higher percentage of psychopaths. So, where are all these loudmouthed Second Amendent guys? Or are your guns really just for hunting and/or target practice or maybe for shooting at un-armed imaginary liberals in Volvos? 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:08 | 6576464 Welfare Tycoon
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For some funny reason I have this hunch that the news outlets will "forget" to air this tonight.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:56 | 6576635 TongueStun
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90% of the media is run or owned by those radical right wing Amish, you know the Millerbergs, the Yodersteins, and of course the Stolzfusmans

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:09 | 6576468 Jumbotron
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The Cold War never ended.  It just took a break.

And the war is about resources.  Energy resources.  Oil and Gas.  What's left of the cheap stuff anyway.  Enough of to power the Limitless Growth Model Utopia we have built for ourselves.

James Kunstler was right 10 years ago.  We are entering the "Long Emergency".  And it's only going to get hotter from here.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:10 | 6576910 nnnnnn
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its not about resources     its about control

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:43 | 6577024 Jumbotron
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its not about resources     its about control .....of the resources.....what's left of them.

There...fixed it for ya.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:16 | 6576469 Ignatius
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We ZH'rs knew it before the leak.  Confirmation.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:35 | 6576549 ThirteenthFloor
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+1. Once again US sticks it's flag where it doesn't belong.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:49 | 6576598 El Vaquero
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Don't forget the Defense Intelligence Agency document/email that was leaked several months (or longer) ago.  It came out and prognosticated that if we were to destabilize Syria, an ISIS like group would likely arise and spread shit across Syria and Northern Iraq, then recommended destabilizing Syria. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:54 | 6576627 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Amen! Every day I feel less and less kooky as conspiracy theory turns to fact. The US has fallen flat on their face for the last 2 years. Their little plane crash in Ukraine didn't quite land where they wanted to between the DPR and LPR regions, poor little  Obama's canned "we need international investigators on the scene but they are being blocked by rebels'' bullshit script would have effectively cut supply lines between the two strongholds- but the narrative didn't hold up because Russia made all the Satellite images public within 48 hours... Now Russia moving in to Syria... fucking gold! There is hope still

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:11 | 6576477 Jumbotron
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After reading the cable leaked by Julian Assange.....all I can say is (I) (S)ee...(I) (S)ee

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:27 | 6577447 Usurious
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pInSaIcS

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:12 | 6576481 SgtShaftoe
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How much evil does the US government need to show in the open before it completely loses credibility and is shamed by the world?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:45 | 6576576 tarsubil
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It already is. Most people on the street outside the US, understand that the US is a fucking joke bully thug gangster. Americans have always been bewildered by this, well, it's the fucking truth.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:26 | 6576753 tarabel
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No, we're bewildered by all the people who suck our dicks for access to our markets and then complain about how evil we are to let them do it.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:29 | 6577456 tarsubil
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Like the average Afghani stick collector who was desperate to get access to the American stick consumer and then this Afghani complains about his little girl getting hellfired by an apache. Fucking thankless heathens!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:52 | 6577514 tarabel
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Eeeek.

There's an evil banker under my bed.

And he's trying to loan me money.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:24 | 6576745 tarabel
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I'm really worried about what Dictator Assad, Dictator Putin, Dictator Kim, Dictator Iranian Dude, and Dictator Chinese PIck A Number think about how evil we are.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:37 | 6576795 corsair
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So that's how you see the rest of the world: Dictators and suckers?

How exceptional...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:54 | 6576834 tarabel
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No, actually I see them as composed of the exact same sort of people and governments as are here in the US.

The anti-Enlightenment is in full control of the reins of government in America and everywhere else. Obama is not doing the bidding of the American people or carrying out the mandates of the American Constitution, but of the united gang of tyrants who rule EVERYWHERE and are moving to put the capstone on their plans for putting the world back under their heel permanently.

A boot on the face of humanity forever, right?

Only one obstacle still stands in the way of those plans.

American boys, American guns, and a just God who presides over the destiny of Nations.

"The whole world united shall not prevail against her." G. Washington

"Surely, I come." J. Christ

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:19 | 6576940 corsair
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Manifest Destiny?

And you don't suppose that any other boys could do God's bidding?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:57 | 6576997 tarabel
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Not with empty hands and a belief that their own government is fine and only America is evil, no, I do not.

I repeat: All governments everywhere are in control of the same bunch of evil people. I do not blame Russians for being in thrall to their evil ruler. I do not blame Europeans for being in thrall to their evil ruler. I do not blame Americans for being in thrall to their evil ruler. Same for everyone else everywhere.

But I dream of the day when those evil men's reign shall be broken and the world shall be free once again. God willing, that indeed shall be the Manifest Destiny of which you sneer.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:01 | 6577102 corsair
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Where did you see me sneering?

So basically we want the same thing...but I don't think that you are being sincere. For someone who claims to be opposed to those "evil people", you seem to be overly protective of their main asset - the US government and its foreign policy.

Sorry, but it just doesn't add up.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:43 | 6577281 tarabel
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No, we don't want the same thing, that much is certain.

I know that the road will be long and filled with loss and misery and betrayal.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:42 | 6577906 Max Steel
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 BS

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:16 | 6576496 q99x2
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Ugh.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:18 | 6576502 The Indelicate ...
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“Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
The Infamous "Oded Yinon Plan". Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

From the "Yinon Plan" to the "Ya’alon Strategy"
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186019.html

What motivated the 9/11 hijackers to attack the US?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/09/09/244452/-What-motivated-the-9-11...

Shining Light on Roots of Terrorism
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/11/16/shining-light-roots-terrorism

"Rarely in the FCM - and not even often on the Web - does one find Sheikh Mohammed's explanation for what motivated him to "mastermind" 9/11. Apparently, few pundits have made it as far as page 147 of the 9/11 Commission Report.

The drafters were at work on the report when they learned that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had been captured. They knew that he earned a degree in mechanical engineering from North Carolina A&T in Greensboro in 1986, before going to Afghanistan to fight the Russian occupier.

And it seems their first assumption was that he suffered some major indignity at the hands of Americans in Greensboro. Thus the strange wording of one major finding on page 147 of the 9/11 Commission Report:

"By his own account, KSM's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experience there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel."

Moreover, the footnote section reveals that KSM was not the only "mastermind" terrorist motivated by "U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel," although in the footnote the Commission dances around a specific reference to Israel, leaving it to the reader to infer that point from the context. Note the missing words in the footnote on page 488:

"On KSM's rationale for attacking the United States, see Intelligence report, interrogation of KSM, Sept. 5, 2003 (in this regard, KSM's statements echo those of Yousef, who delivered an extensive polemic against U.S. foreign policy at his January 1998 sentencing)," the footnote said.

Was Yousef, who happens to be Mohammed's nephew, perhaps upset about U.S. foreign policy favoring NATO expansion, or maybe toward Guam? Obviously, the unstated inference in the footnote was about Israel."

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:29 | 6576761 tarabel
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But Greater Persia is okay. Greater Russia is okay. Greater China is okay.

Personally, I hope you get your chance to live in one of them.

Just let me stay home from school on that day, okay?

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 05:07 | 6577923 Urban Redneck
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The grass is always greener on the other side of the hill...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:21 | 6576511 Max Steel
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Not a fcuking surprise . 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:26 | 6576517 Latitude25
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Secret cable  LOL What?  Was this sent by morse code or something?  Straight out of a 1940s movie

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:39 | 6577903 Max Steel
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Idiot muritard e

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:40 | 6577904 Max Steel
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Idiot muritard ever heatd of wikileaks ? Those all are files taken from us gov records to 3xpose their hypocrisy .

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:23 | 6576518 alphahammer
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So how do we know this is real? We all know that Assange is a liar and definitely guilty of crimes against women. Why would anyone trust a word he says? Anything he says...

The genius has "at least" four children around the world of which NONE he supports. He's said he wanted to "spread the seed of Assange around the world" What a complete fucking douchebag. The Swedes will get him for sex crimes against women. Watch and see.

Anyhow. Assange said it so it must be true. PROVE IT ASSANGE. I don't believe a fucking word you say about anything.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:27 | 6576526 dicksburnt
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The first rule of zion fight club is to defeat the character of the truthteller.   The second rule of zion fight club is then demand they prove the truth when in fact the truth is self-evident.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:40 | 6576563 alphahammer
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The first rule of "reality" is define who is lying. We ALL KNOW Assange is a liar first and foremost and should not be trusted. 

Tell your grandmother,wife and daughter the FACTS about Assange and how he treats women -- to include his current investigation(s) -- then ask them if he should be trusted. Let us know what they say...

Zion? I like Bob Marley. What? 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:46 | 6576581 tarsubil
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Stop up arrowing yourself. It's pathetic.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:49 | 6576596 alphahammer
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Dear sir, with all due respect, I'm sorry you can't handle the truth. Unfortunately, that is your problem and not mine.

 

BTW. You can vote your own posts higher? Lets see. Ill try it now.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:49 | 6576601 alphahammer
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Hey it works! Thanks for that!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:05 | 6577124 Omen IV
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BALONEY !

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:23 | 6576743 Rock On Roger
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That sounds like Element.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 06:30 | 6577968 Element
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Roger is a troll dickwad who's never got anything of value to add to any conversation, but loves to make repetitive totally baseless opinionated accusations, about his elevated paranoia regarding the global jew menace - basically a petty dumbfuck.  :D  

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:39 | 6576562 PoasterToaster
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Filthy stinking Neo Con traitors.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:42 | 6576566 Augustus
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The alliance between Bashar al-Assad’s Syria and Moscow, Tehran, and Hezbollah serves as a kind of counterbalance to cooperation among the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey (among others).

 

No surprise that Puutie is aligned with the totalitarians.  That's what friends are for.

The Hezzie nutters are about as bad as ISIS.  They just want to butcher in a different way.

Tehran's bloody mullahs are the model for what Puutie would like to create in Moscow.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:28 | 6576967 Sparkey
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Very wise Augustus, I love your posts, you are funny! Is it unintentional or is it deliberate yet presented dead pan? Good either way!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:44 | 6576571 tarabel
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People treat Assad like he's a chinless Mother Teresa in drag rather than a ruthless dictator who inherited his kingdom from Daddy-O, the really ruthless dictator.

He did everything in his power to help the Iranian proxy war kill Americans in Iraq. Now we're running a proxy war in Syria to return the favor. Big surprise.

Rather than see their puppet fall, Iran and Russia are now overtly propping him up. Big surprise.

Russia, Iran, Syria, ISIS, USA and everyone else care exactly zero for the suffering of the Syrian population except insofar as a shortage of indigenous cannon fodder makes it necessary to introduce non-native bullet stoppers into the equation. Since Assad was running low on local levies, his pals have to risk some of their own boobs or else fold the tent.

Show of hands.

Who thinks a Russian-Syrian-Iranian coalition army is not going to steal everything that isn't nailed down?

Who thinks ISIS and the various other factions aren't going to steal everything that isn't nailed down?

Who thinks the people who stay behind in Syria are the smart ones and the refugees are the idiots?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:48 | 6576588 tarsubil
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Go find a globe. Check out how close Iraq is to the US. Now compare to how close Syria is to Iraq. Turnabout is fair play? Give me a break. Why don't you go to Syria and fight for the bankers, tough guy?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:49 | 6576600 cowdiddly
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Ah its just his shift. He's just a little better than most.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:12 | 6576700 tarabel
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What's not to like about being an NSA troll?

The pay's great, a lot better than what you get from your masters.

Hot Mormon chicks. Utah skiing and mountain biking.

Free Mountain Dew on every shift-- and that includes all the beta test flavors.

And my portfolio, shit, I get the inside scoop even before it shows up in the mailbox it was intended for.

TTFN

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:56 | 6576634 alphahammer
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Go to Syria to fight for "the bankers" ? Is Putin "fighting for the bankers"? 

BTW. If you want to see how the war in Syria is going for Putin, click over to liveleak and take a look. The Russian special forces are already getting beheaded. Terrible and graphic -- but according to the videos -- true...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:19 | 6576678 tarabel
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Why don't you go fight to liberate them from the bankers, tough guy?

Russia will take anybody as a contract soldier.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:21 | 6577432 tarsubil
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I fight the bankers everyday lil bitch ho.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:50 | 6577506 tarabel
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That's nice.

But I don't see what it has to do with two opposing oil blocs fighting for control of a pipeline route.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:50 | 6576607 HenryHall
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Yankee go home.

Problem solved.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:06 | 6576675 tarabel
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Oh, I'm all for letting the rest of you guys twist in the wind or do your own dirty work.

But that doesn't mean that the problem is solved. It just means that it's your problem, as it should be, and not our problem, which it shouldn't be.

Incidentally, it's kind of funny how many countries on the borders of Russia and China are now singing choruses of Yankee, Come Back.

Now that Russia is jamming an airbase down the throat of White Russia, I wonder how long it will be before they too "come home to Russia".

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:51 | 6576617 PoasterToaster
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How long has Russia had a base in Syria?  45 years?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:03 | 6576661 tarabel
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Exactly my point. How long would Russia continue to have a base in Syria after Assad falls?

45 minutes.

Ergo, bring on the grenadiers.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:11 | 6576911 squid
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This is the nature of Psy-Opps. Mix truth with lies, its perfect.

 

Are you suggesting Syria is better now or was better 10 years ago?

 

Why is it different from 10 years ago? I'll answer that for you, the USA.

 

Russia has a base in Syria, correct. The USA has bases in 168 coutries outside its own boarders, Russia has a base in ONE country outside its own boarders. Who is the agressor? You tell me?

 

Squid

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:26 | 6576961 tarabel
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You are assuming that life under an established dictator where the lines not to cross are well-established is easier or better than life under a replacement dictator, whose parameters of obedience have yet to be fully defined.

I'm an American. I find myself asking why those are the only two choices permitted.

Away with all of them.

Away with the Russians and Iranians who would keep the Syrians enslaved to the current dictator for their convenience and economic benefit.

Away with the Euro plotters and their American stooge Obama who would place the Syrians under a new dictatorship for their convenience and economic benefit.

Away with the Syrians who want to live in luxury on the backs of their fellow countrymen by carrying out the orders of the current bloodstained tyrant.

Away with the Syrians who want to live in luxury as the conquerors of the current bloodstained tyrant.

Away with everyone who thinks that either one of these options is a noble endeavor.

THEY ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER AND MERELY ARGUING OVER WHO GETS TO PLAY QUARTERBACK ON THE TEAM OF OPPRESSION.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:44 | 6576575 Youri Carma
Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:48 | 6576589 Chuck Knoblauch
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Another secret plan to rule the world?

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:51 | 6576611 PoasterToaster
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Why does Israel get to pick the US President?  These kinds of Middle East adventures wouldn't happen if our friends in the region, that sole Middle Eastern Nuclear Power, Israel, was not in charge of American foreign policy.

You could almost forgive the US Oligarchs if they actually cared about us here.  Even if they were stupid as they are about the world, at least they wouldn't be selling us out to foreign powers.

As it is, fuck the Neo Con traitors and their subservient attitude towards the Israeli government.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:35 | 6576781 tarabel
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Yeah, Barack Obama-- Super Friend to Israel.

Must be your guy.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:08 | 6576905 squid
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Why do they get to pick the president?

Why do they get to pick the chariman of the FED?

Why do they get to pick the CEOs of allthe banks in the USA?

Why do they get to pick all the CEOs of every media and movie company in the USA?

 

Why indeed.

 

Squid

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 18:58 | 6576643 Sudden Debt
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It's just more proof America has turned into a 4th reich nazi empire.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:33 | 6576771 tarabel
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Pretty odd behavior for a Nazi Reich, if you ask me. Importing, nay- welcoming and even encouraging, all those untermensch into the Heimat doesn't seem really, you know, nazi-like. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:12 | 6576913 Demdere
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You assume one thread of control.  I see at least 2, the neocon-Israeli thread is not against the immigrants, they will use them to divide and conquer.  The setup is for the US to do the next large-scale killings, of course.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/germanys-jewish-problem/

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:41 | 6577020 tarabel
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Yes, I see one thread of control. The devil cares not who you hate, just that you do hate.

The rest is easy. Just pushing this button here and that button over there.

But hatred is the essential precondition.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:19 | 6576732 CHoward
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Who's it a secret from - the whole fucking world knows what the United States is doing in Syria?!?  If more than ONE person knows something - it's not a secret. 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:36 | 6576788 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Original Classification:SECRET Current Classification:SECRET

PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE:  There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis."...

Brought to you by Jews in the Zionist system bearing gift(s)...

It's "Sgt Hasbara's Lonely Hearts Club Band" at it again!

P.S.

I have this visual of the same record cover from the Beatles 1967 Album wiith Sgt "BiBi", Shimon Peres, Ehud Barak and Ariel Sharon dressed in the psychodelic unforms and instead of the past hollywood actors and actresses in the background it would instead be a map of the ME with "before" and "after" images of the destruction to the entire Region since 1948!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:37 | 6576796 zanzen
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What the f..k are we doing acting as Saudi Arabia's butt boys. We have absolutely nothing to gain by mucking around in Syria except a new shipload of radical Islamist immigrants (something we decidedly don't need). Again ,everyone, this is about a gas pipeline to europe for gulf emirates and Saudi natural gas. The Russians will do everything in their power including going to war with us to stop the pipeline and maintain their monopoly in the European gas market. What do we have to gain here? Someone explain this to me.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:03 | 6576865 tarabel
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No idea. But it sure matters to the Europeans, who pretend that they have nothing to do with all this.

I'm all in favor of letting them do their own dirty work and leave off with the "helpless victim of American bullying" act they love so well.

 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:11 | 6576883 Chris Dakota
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Hard to know what I am reading here.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:27 | 6576922 tarabel
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The word you are actually looking for is "sarcasm". Lampooning the self-righteous situational ethicists who think America is evil and every one else is a paragon of stainless virtue even as they pursue mirror image objectives and use the same tactics is an occasional hobby of mine.

But it is coming to every neighborhood everywhere and none shall be spared.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:30 | 6576975 Son of Captain Nemo
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Hard to know what I am reading here.

CD

You know exaqctly what you're reading.   These are the same ones that own all the printing presses and the rest of the whores in this Country that will spread there legs and sell their sister and mother for pieces of worthless paper with numbers on them that are undervalued by many multiples...

Will get interesting when these guys start asking to be paid for there services in Au and Ag along with their patrons Soros and Icahn which will probably be happening in 4... 3... 2... 1...

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:48 | 6577042 tarabel
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It's true. I do write for money. That's what professional writers do.

But I also write for pleasure or because I feel it is important that other voices be heard rather than the great, stifling consensus.

No charge, mon ami.

Now I really should get back to my word whoring for money.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:36 | 6577477 Son of Captain Nemo
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Now I really should get back to my word whoring for money.

Tara if I were you I'd go back to school and get a business degree.  No worries as somebody in the "family" always has a job for one of there own...

Your writing ain't that good brotha!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 23:00 | 6577498 tarabel
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Honestly, Nemo, where did you get the idea that I was Italian?

How dumb do you think I am, huh?

No, wait, don't go their, pal.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:46 | 6577910 Max Steel
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No nemo this numbskull tarabullshit is from north carolina smoking weed and defending his fascist ciuntry warcàrimes. A retard muritard apologist.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:06 | 6576892 squid
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"What the f..k are we doing acting as Saudi Arabia's butt boys. We have absolutely nothing to gain by mucking around in Syria except a new shipload of radical Islamist immigrants (something we decidedly don't need)."

 

You answered ALL of your own questions here without realizing it.

 

Regardig your first sentence, Who is in the white house? Who had a reputation for trolling the underground Chicago Gay scene?

 

Second sentence, again, Who is in the whitehouse? Who is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? Who was raised in Indonesia (the world's largest Muslim country) by and Indonesian (Muslim) step father? Who attended a Muslim Indonesian school?.....that would be the same chap that is in the whitehouse.

 

Shipload of Islamic extremists to the USA?

 

Everything is going to plan my freind. There are no suprizes.

 

Squid

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 19:54 | 6576844 Grandad Grumps
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Not so secret ... duh!

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:05 | 6576884 CHoward
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For all his alleged faults at least Assad knows how to tie a mean knot - great tie! 

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:05 | 6576887 roadhazard
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So what's the secret.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:07 | 6576901 Demdere
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https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/germanys-jewish-problem/

Recall what Germany's Jewish Problem produced and how the problem was set up in everyone's mind.

Extrapolate.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:13 | 6576921 Westcoastliberal
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When the fuck are we going to overturn the Wolfwowitz doctrine and run the neo-cons out of D.C.?

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:14 | 6576923 Anunnaki
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Time to mail back that Peace Prize Medal with a written apology. Obama is every bit as evil as Dick Cheney or George W. Bush

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:24 | 6576958 Anunnaki
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Been on Zero  Hedge a little more than a year...

My friends think I'm a kook for always quoting Zerohedge. Now they're starting to read it too b/c  I have been proven correct on so many things The 'Hedge either covered at all or covered first: Ukraine, Greece and now Syria.

I'm not the tinfoil hating guy in my social circle anymore.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:29 | 6576971 I am a Man I am...
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This guy (Williram Roebuck) was in the Peace Corp for 3 years and went to Wake Forest, a baptist college.  So this guy is a total hypocrite.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 20:37 | 6577005 TuPhat
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Has to be a fake cable coming from Assange.  We already knew all this stuff.  This just gets some of the less damning stuff out in the open so people will quit looking for the real stuff.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:31 | 6577242 Miss Expectations
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To:Department of the Treasury | Israel Tel Aviv | National Security Council | Secretary of State | The League of Arab States | U.S. Mission to European Union (formerly EC) (Brussels) | United Nations (New York) | United States Central Command | White House

 

My, my...the order of addressees usually means something.  (look who's last)

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 21:51 | 6577311 Atomizer
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It will be interesting watching us topple our own rebels.

Mon, 09/21/2015 - 22:08 | 6577383 truth vs fraud
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A basic Law of Nature is that the few will end up with everything and then there will be a revolution by the rest who are starving, either peaceful through voting or war and new leaders emerge and the process begins all over again.  The West has greatly weakened with age and corruption and its financial/economic system is in crisis mode while the East went through this recently and is in the middle of their new growth and is getting stronger and knows the West is dying and waiting for it to happen, ready to finish it off.  These are monsters, all clawing for money and power and driving us into war, endlessly.   The power has shifted to the East and Russia/China/Iran are coming on strong.  U.S. has little strength left as they have unbelievable debt that has it at the end of its rope and corruption and it will either have to stand and fight or give way as they are doing in Iran.   Poor immigrants are flooding the West as the central banks keep printing fake money trying to keep the disaster going a little longer.  This is the end of West's power and most likely War.  Russia is positioning itself for the clean up and we are in huge trouble and smart people know it and are preparing.  If we could just take these few monsters and put them on an island and let them kill each other over real estae and resources, they would kill each other off and we would have a much nicer world.  We need to find a way to capture them and put them on an island, so we can finally have decency 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 00:42 | 6577682 Element
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Let me get this straight:

 

"Unfortunately - as a declassified secret US government document obtained by the public interest law firm Judicial Watch (profiled here) suggested earlier this year - it's highly likely that the US intentionally destabilized the Assad regime in pursuit of Washington’s geopolitical interests.

So no evidence, just a 'suggestion', whatever that is. Followed by an opinion, that it was "highly likely". So means it's just a guess, with no evidence, and just an opinion. Nothing more.

But somehow that mere opinion transforms in the very next sentence into a MIGHTY TRUTH. No, I don't know how as nothing else changed. But suddenly the language changed and Tyler is saying it's all tuurrruuue!

i.e.

That deliberate destabilization has now led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and untold human suffering.

So now the mere opinion has converted into an allegedly deliberate program of destabilization for absolute sure! I know! I know! I can't work it out either!

One moment it was just an ordinary unknown, and the next moment ... it was a dead-set certainty! No new info! But it is to blame for everything! 

It's a bloomin' miracle!

 

Well at least no one's claiming to be a 'journalist'. 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:08 | 6577833 Joe A
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Perhaps all hearsay at this point but it is not like the US has a good track record when it comes to not overthrowing regimes it does not like. But this cable is not a smoking gun indeed.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 06:32 | 6577964 Element
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Yup, that is my take too Joe, a claim, no evidence.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 04:52 | 6577915 Max Steel
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 Acc to you usa and its allies did nothing to destabilize syria whereas the truth is fciking obvious . 

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 08:11 | 6577957 Element
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The truth is never obvious (which is yet another troll mantra being rolled out by the liars, who are allergic to evidence, but love a good lie) but the myths and deliberate untruths generally are fairly obvious.

This conflict has been comprehensively lied about on every level, and suddenly I must be compelled to believe some claimant, without any evidence at all? But simply because they are a slav or a russian troll, and merely asserts a propaganda theme?

Dream on moron, it ain't gonna happen.

When something is unknown or perhaps unknowable, I'm happy for it to remain unknown, until it is proven, if it can be. If it can't be, I will not be grasping at straws like a moron, and jumping through imaginary hoops, and slurping up the latest fad conspiracy story from dumb trolls like you, or from Putin (which is much the same 'source' really) or from the West, or from a Tyler, or from any other equally deluded source (and they are all equally delusional), who are clearly making shit up, without any real evidence at all, and also making sweeping assumptions, and asserting sweeping claims, which are almost certainly bullshit - either partly, or wholly.

 

And they know it.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 00:49 | 6577703 macosaurous
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Would someone  please explain the justification for classifying this cable "SECRET" and in light of the addressee list (To:Department of the Treasury | Israel Tel Aviv | National Security Council | Secretary of State | The League of Arab States | U.S. Mission to European Union (formerly EC) (Brussels) | United Nations (New York) | United States Central Command | White House) have any expectation of it remaining classified?  I would bet this is another example of the US citizens being protected from the workings of our own foreign policy.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 00:53 | 6577710 onmail1
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Oil for Blood Pogrom 

America creates terrorists 

America promotes violence

America promotes perversion

America is a threat to human race

Down with America

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 03:25 | 6577846 Fireman
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Whatever USSA touches turns to shit. No wonder the rest of the planet is turning away from the stench of Merca and its Saudi Mercan Ponzi crapper dollah.

Tue, 09/22/2015 - 07:03 | 6578015 Pumpkin
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This was a secret?

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