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2,000 Russian Troops Head To Syria For "First Phase" Of Mission To Support Assad
With each passing day, The Kremlin seems less and less interested in observing any niceties with regard to how it describes Russia’s military involvement in Syria.
Initially, it seemed likely that Moscow would go the Ukraine route by providing logistical support and lurking behind the scenes while officially denying - or at least downplaying - its role in the conflict. Over the course of the last two weeks, it’s become increasingly clear that Russia now intends to make no secret of its intention not only to stabilize the Assad regime but in fact to turn the tide completely with the provision of advanced weapons and equipment including combat aircraft, tanks, and drones.
The only remaining question was how long it would be before Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem made an official request for ground troops, allowing Moscow to abandon all pretense that Russia isn’t officially at war and while we may not have reached that point yet, you can’t very well build a forward operating base and not staff it which is why now, according to FT, Moscow is set to send 2,000 troops to Latakia as part of the mission’s “first phase”. Here’s more:
Russia is to deploy 2,000 military personnel to its new air base near the Syrian port city of Latakia, signalling the scale of Moscow’s involvement in the war-torn country.
The deployment “forms the first phase of the mission there”, according to an adviser on Syria policy in Moscow.
The force will include fighter aircraft crews, engineers and troops to secure the facility, said another person briefed on the matter.
Three western defence officials agreed that the Russian deployment tallied with the numbers needed to establish a forward air base similar to those built by western militaries in Afghanistan.
Here's more, from The New York Times, on the buildup at Latakia:
The deployment of some of Russia’s most advanced ground attack planes and fighter jets as well as multiple air defense systems at the base near the ancestral home of President Bashar al-Assad appears to leave little doubt about Moscow’s goal to establish a military outpost in the Middle East. The planes are protected by at least two or possibly three SA-22 surface-to-air, antiaircraft systems, and unarmed Predator-like surveillance drones are being used to fly reconnaissance missions.
Russia has military presences near Latakia and in Tartus.Russian Moves in Syria Widen Role in MideastSEPT. 14, 2015
“With competent pilots and with an effective command and control process, the addition of these aircraft could prove very effective depending on the desired objectives for their use,” said David A. Deptula, a retired three-star Air Force general who planned the American air campaigns in 2001 in Afghanistan and in the 1991 Persian Gulf war.
In addition, a total of 15 Russian Hip transport and Hind attack helicopters are also now stationed at the base, doubling the number of those aircraft from last week, the American official said. For use in possible ground attacks, the Russians now also have nine T-90 tanks and more than 500 marines, up from more than 200 last week.
“The equipment and personnel just keep flowing in,” said the American official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence reports. “They were very busy over the weekend.”
On Monday, the Russian embassy in Damascus came under mortar fire. That attack, Moscow says, did not emanate from ISIS but rather from other anti-Assad forces backed by “external sponsors”:
The Russian foreign ministry said a shell, which landed near its embassy on Sunday but caused no casualties, came from Jobar, which is held by anti-Assad fighters who were not allied with Isis and had “external sponsors”.
“We expect a clear position with regard to this terrorist act from all members of the international community, including regional players,” the ministry said. “This requires not just words but concrete action.”
It added that the fighters’ “foreign sponsors” were responsible for using their influence on “illegal armed formations”.
Clearly, “foreign sponsors” is a reference to Assad’s US-backed regional enemies including the Saudis, Qatar, and Turkey among others and this certainly seems to indicate that the Russians will not be prepared to tolerate attacks on their assets by groups who enjoy the support of the US-backed coalition. Of course quite a few of the groups battling for control of Syria are supported either directly or indirectly by the US and its regional allies which means that even if Russia manages to avoid direct confrontation with the handful of troops the US overtly backs, avoiding confrontations with the troops covertly supported by the US and other state actors will be impossible by definition, as they, just as much as ISIS, are angling for the ouster of Assad.
Meanwhile, the French took the absurdity to a whole new level on Monday when Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius claimed that the country's plans to begin bombing Syria were born out of concerns for "self defense". Here's the quote:
"We received specific intelligence indicating that the resent terrorist attacks against France and other European nations were organized by Daesh [Arabic derogatory term for IS] in Syria. Due to this threat we decided to start reconnaissance flights to have the option for airstrikes, if that would be necessary. This is self-defense."
And so, as the violence escalates and Syria looks set to become the stage for a not-so-cold war pitting Russia and its regional proxies against the US and its regional proxies, we close with the following graphic which (partially) quantifies the human cost of geopolitical wrangling gone horribly awry:
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Let the games begin!
With the EU Refugees Crisis and the Russian military build-up in Syria, Ukraine has fallen off the radar.
However, as soon as Putin gets busy wiping out ISIL in Syria, Ukraine will start a new round of war against the two break-away republics.
One doesn’t have to be a Nostradamus to foresee it. We, the exceptional, always use the same playbook. Remember WHEN the coup in Ukraine occurred? During the last week of the Olympic Games, while Putin was busy meeting with Merkel, Xi, Abe, et al.
Mark my words - with Putin’s first successes in Syria, the blood will start flowing in Ukraine once again, unfortunately.
Looney
Trump - "Why are we doing anything in Syria? Just let russia destroy ISIL. Do we really have a problem with that?"
Keep pushing this piece of shit Trump. When he uses a false flag to ban guns I blame you. What do you people not understand in " DO NOT COMPLY".
If recent history is any indicator, then the US-backed ISIS fighters are going to get their asses handed to them, just like the US-backed Georgian fighters did. My money says Putin doesn't want to get bogged down, he will uncouple his war hounds, and this will be over in relatively short order. Putin doesn't have to hide his support, like Obama does, which is a HUGE advantage.
"Thank God, the Russians are here!"
Never thought I'd hear myself say that in my lifetime.
Thanks, Obama!
I was hoping for 200,000. But okay, better than nothing
Well, a false flag attack on Turkey by ISIS should be enough to draw ZATO into the fray since an attack on one ZATO country is an attack on all ZATO countries.
As an added benefit, all those refugees, since most are young men of fighting age, can be conscripted into the war and should be more than willing to take up cause for their new homelands.
Let the games begin!
One hundred quatloos on the newcomers.
We shall see, in relativly short order what the Russian Air Force is capable of. We saw shock & awe in 2003. Lets see if the Russians can do it as well.
Either way, I am sure people an Langly are hopping mad their private army is about to get sent through the wood-chipper.
Zbigniew just got an erection
Take M-5 south, go west and you are in Israel good luck.
Time to exterminate ISIS cities with all those ISIS civilian supporters in them.
Scooby occasionally hears about freedom fighters from the US traveling to Syria to fight ISIS.
If Scooby goes to Syria to fight ISIS with Russia would he be eligible for dual citizenship USSA/USSR?
You know, I don't like Assad any more than our adminstration does... but when your (meaning the U.S. elites) meddling in that country is causing more harm than Assad would likely be causing, then you need to GTFO.
imnho (i can't help it) the russians know the whole world is watching and nearly all have no love for isis. isis, unlike iraqis and afghanistanis, are stateless people. where they are now is in someone else's country and they have been acting like bullies, it seems. i doubt they spread much of their stolen wealth (like that of so many) around.
russia has had to take quite a bit of shit over ukraine. i think the russian military will deeply enjoy destroying the tools of the cia and the mossad (the russians know to whom victoria nuland and her tubby hubby really owe fealty) to cheers (some forced) from the west which so lately sanctioned them.
I expect Russia will use airborne assets only for hardened targets and reconnaisance. The bulk of IS assets can be exterminated from a safe distance with artillery.
Russia has never tried very hard to limit civilian casualties in urban guerilla conficts. If saving lives can be accomplished at little expense and without undo risk exposure, they do it. Otherwise, civilians are an unfortunate cost of war. This is unpopular with bleeders (guilt-ridden liberals in gated communities), but it is nonetheless effective at reducing enemy headcount.
What will be REALLY interesting: when US commanders see that their Russian counterparts ruthlessly clearing large areas of enemies, how will they react?
In Grozny Chechnya the Russians claimed to have established a "civilian corridor" and ordered all civilians to leave before they bombed it to rubble. I think they care a lot about civilian casualties because of the big picture (winning hearts) but agree with you in that once they decide to go, they will go to finish the job.
Yes, Russia warns people to flee first. Then they act decisively.
The US is more like that mom at Wal-Mart: "Leave that alone and come here." "I said come here." "Come here." "I'm counting to 5. One..." "Now, I really mean it mister, you come here now." "Right now.".......
In all likelihood they will send in their Chechens along with special forces/airborne. This is going to get really fucking ugly for the Jihadis.
Syria will be a trainingpool for Russian forces preparing against NATO/Ukraine. They get to test their doctrines and hardware.
I hope israel has enough medical facilities to treat their wounded fighters.
I don't.
blackbishop - agree 100%. the ussa has been 'training' shooting an enemy with no modern weapons and training. wait til we lose 18 jets in one week and 3000 dead soldiers. all the contract military wont show up. it is easy now fighting idiots. wait til we have to go up against the russians.....
I really doubt the US will stick their neck out, along with the other EU asskissers. If the Russians set up an effective air defense with S300s or S400s along with interceptor, I really doubt that the AngloZionists will dare to intentionaly bomb Syrian Army, Iranian units, Hezbollah or Russian units. Then the Russians would slam down a 100% no-fly zone over Syria for anyone but themselves and Syria.
This might be a good instance for Russia to showcase their rebuilt army/airforce/navy and see if it scares the NATO-fuckers back to their senses.
Anything to avoid a full blown World War 4 IMO. Playing with sticks and stones is only soooo fun...until you die of radiation poisoning.
`rebuilt army/airforce/navy and see if it scares the NATO-fuckers back to their senses.`
I would have typed:
`back into their snake pits.`
black bishop - eventually the ussa will go to war. there will be a world war. no way we get out of this financial mess without a major war.
In essence I agree that we are looking at a coming World War. But it IS possible to stop it. The way to do that is to make the Chief warmongerer implode economicaly. If the US economy and society implodes, it will no longer be able to lead or conduct a major World War. But offcourse there is always the risk that they go for broke out of desperation.
I think Russia and China's long game now is to bury the USA economcialy and diplomaticaly. Instigate social unrest inside the USA and undermine the economy.
I'd agree that traditionally a war is what the powers that be would need. Nowadays I'm not so sure.
With people this dumb and distracted in the West it may be that this shit will just roll on.
There will be no raising of interest rates and no pick up in the economy - and it won't end.
War is only needed if people start to wake up.
If they stay dumb and passive then the brutalization process can continue without hitch.
Anyone care to shoot this down?
"Langly" and Tel Aviv's private army
Great Star Trek reference
Art 5 probably isn't valid since ISIS is not formally a country. Not completely sure about it, but I can imagine the situation is similar to IRA activities in/versus UK and NATO/ZATO wasn't involved back then.
Yeah, but do they have ice cream and pizza? That's what an army needs to be successful in that part of the world.
place your financial bets..
-The IDF has made security preparations to ensure the safety of the tens of thousands of Jews expected at the Western Wall on Yom Kippur. “Thousands of police will be in Jerusalem,” police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. Additionally, the IDF announced on Monday that it will stop movement into Israel from Judea and Samaria, as well as from Gaza crossings, from Tuesday at noon until Wednesday, one minute before midnight. “The lifting of the closure will occur in two days... in accordance with a situation evaluation,” the IDF added.
Captain Ahab hit the whaling wall and only I survived to tell the tell. Call me unimpressed.
Hey - don't forget the U.S.-trained moderate rebels, HH. The first 60 sent to Division 30 north of Aleppo in July were wiped out, deserted or defected. The Division 30 commander just quit on Saturday saying U.S. help was bullshit. And Sunday, a fresh new batch of 75 were sent from their British/U.S. training camp in Turkey to Tel Rifaat rat-line just north of Aleppo, driving 12 new Toyotas with twin ZU-23 autocannons mounted on the back.
There seems to be some contention among the Twitterati that they just handed these over to al Nusra or IS and deserted or defected, but the accounts reporting that get deleted. In any case, you have what may be 12 new anti-aircraft equipped Toyotas gunning for the newly-supplied Russian Frogfoots and HINDs, courtesy of the U.S. government. I'm guessing THAT won't go over to big in Moscow.
False flag chemical weapons attack any minute now.
<< The first 60>>
... at a cost of over $500 million.
Technically, it was $500 million for this fiscal year. So they should get maybe 250 recruits or so by the end of the year. Less the first 130 that are dead, quit or deserted. The entire program is suppose to turn out 5000 but it will need funding for next year and the year after that and... Gen. Austin had the balls to ask for $600 million MORE to continue the program in 2016. Hey, just U.S. tax dollars. If your loser local 'moderate rebels' don't succeed at first, train another thousand and send them back to Syria with anti-aircraft equipped Toyotas. Al Nusra could use the weapons.
In any case, you have what may be 12 new anti-aircraft equipped Toyotas gunning for the newly-supplied Russian Frogfoots and HINDs, courtesy of the U.S. government.
"The Toyota brand is changing its U.S. advertising tagline to "Let's Go Places," replacing "Moving Forward," its slogan since 2004."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=toyota+slogan
Good God, this just gets stranger and stranger...
US-backed Syrian rebels arrested by another group: Report
WTF? THAT was their disguise? Carry a Syrian government flag on your obviously rebel Toyotas bristling with ZU-23s moving under U.S. air cover from Turkish territory? Yeah... THAT should f'king work. Not sure what this has to do with the (supposedly) later surrender of their weapons to some al Qaeda crazies, buy why not? How could this possibly get any more screwed up?
I guess I shouldn't really complain. All this entertainment for a mere $500 million tax dollars even though Obama has already LOST his criminal attempt to oust Assad. 250,000 Syrian lives wasted on another failed U.S. clownfuckery attempt at imposed democracy. Shouldn't the U.S. be saving it's money for the war reparations it will owe Syria? It's got to be in the tens of billions by now.
"250,000 Syrian lives wasted on another failed U.S. clownfuckery attempt at imposed democracy."
Is it wrong that I pictured Obama riding on Mr. Ed's (Kerry) back, shouting "Onward, Horseboy! There is fuckery to spread!"
Well I'll be damned...
US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betrayed US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria'
What really pisses me off isn't the fact that they did this - that's no damn surprise. It's that .gov made such a ham-handed attempt to censor this on Twitter. It even got the Reddit crowd buzzing. Nothing like in-your-face censorship from our Stazi overlords.
For Russia Syria is more about its security then the pipeline. Just look at the map of ME and Russia's neighborhood.
And one more thing, the Ukraine's army cased to exist, now it is a more or less organized mob which can turn on Kiev anytime. So, chill guys, US already lost control over Ukraine.
+1 Oracle. Key point. Scorched earth and chaos is complete in Ukraine.
That timing corresponds with Putin's entry to Syria. ISIL is history by October.
I'll add that by the end of October, IS remnants have already fled back into Iraq, and Lavrov is negotiating with Iraq for permission to pursue them.
The US will tell Iraq to refuse and threaten to dye the Iraqi's thumbs purple again.
Thing is, I think Putin's already gotten on the phone w/ Kadyrov and may borrow some of those Chechens of his. I've read that, in that part of the world, the Chechens have quite the reputation and a lot of these ISIS/Mossad types may be eating their meals running for a good long while.
I really, really hope that the French make the mistake of flying missions in Syria.
I just hope some Russian grunt manages to capture the exact moment the Russian anti-air batteries shoot those bastards down.
Oh dream on, the French are flying missions over Syria right now, recon missions, prior to a bombardment.
And what are the Syrians or Russians going to do that with? Fuck all is what. And the moment Russia attacked French NATO jets, that airbase would be out of action and smoking ruins within two hours. And that will be the end of that.
But of course Russia knows not to do that and so does Assad.
Airbase? They don't need no stinkin' airbase.
Who will really know who shot what down? Remember a certain 777 over the Ukraine?
Really? A bloody short range manpad, against jets bombing with standoff weapons and flying at 40K ft?
Dream on! You better get a clue first how this is done.
What will really occur is Putin's Su-25s will go in at lower-level and Western jets will bomb from high level, and what putin wants, namely exclusive access, he will not get, unless there is agreement
Let me get this straight.
You say that the Russians don't stand a chance against the military might and political will of...the French?
Er ... you realise the number of countries currently operating over Syria, right, and who they are?
Time will tell.
Want to bet?
You say the French and NATO control Syria by the end of the year, and I say it is the Russians.
Dinner for four at Le Grill de l'Hôtel de Paris?
I don't say that hedgeless, I don't know the future, I'm looking at the foreseeable from here.
And that's not a lot to go on.
Pussy.
I just learned that we would have had to dine at Le Louis XV, anyway, as Le Grill is closing for renovations. Same quality of food and wine, but not quite the atmosphere as upstairs.
Not a fan of the typical French menu, it was mostly a first impressions thing. ;-)
I know a way that you can fix that.
Work your way through Richard Olney's books and recipes.
Start with Simple French Food.
Bon appétit!
Well that's might neighbourly HH, I think it's too late for me though, I can handle exotic stuff, but South East Asian menus are my preference. ;-)
A great cookbook! La nourritsure est bonne, bonne boisson, tout a faix!
What will really occur is Putin's Su-25s will go in at lower-level and Western jets will bomb from high level, and what putin wants, namely exclusive access, he will not get, unless there is agreement
I guess there's no real harm in speculating what will happen (even from a guy that usually dismisses claims that are not substantiated), but how on earth do you know what Putin wants?
I have no idea what Putin really wants, how could I? But there are these indications posted yesterday:
Putin's Plan: Moscow Handles Syria, U.S. Looks After IraqAnd that is why Putin will not be attacking any western jets any time soon.
And why his jets will go in low, and western jets will go in high.
And hopefully there will be an agreement to that effect soon, and to other things to make this work amicably, for the sake of THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA.
Which is all I give a fuck about here.
You idiot.
He's pullling Obama's chain.
He knows the USA isn't going to fight its own force, and side with our enemy.
Not quite yet, at least.
It isn't his 'own force', it is the force the US is using.
Careful with the presumptions of naivete, it'll backfire.
How does Russia wants the United States to be a military partner
translate into putin wants... exclusive access? Isn't that, in fact, a contradiction?
As for Putin will not be attacking any western jets any time soon, that is pretty much an axiom, but that still doesn't imply the level of cooperation you are envisioning. It might as well be that Russians will fly in Syria and the west will fly in Iraq...or that they will both fly in Syria, bit in different parts of the country.
I see your confusion, it is not the inconsistency you suppose though.
What I'm voicing is reflecting the view people have been putting for days in these Syria threads, that "The Russians are Coming!", and this will all be Russia this, and Putin that. Whereas I'm saying, no it won't, think again, the reality is Putin won't get that even if he wanted it. But he is also saying he doesn't want that, because he has said he wants an agreement, he wants to make a deal, to cooperate to get rid of ISIS.
OK, we'll see.
But in Israel and Washington the war lobbies are both resisting a deal now, even though it would save millions of people further harm, loss dislocation and pain.
So it is up to Washington to resist that and make a deal, and also for Putin to really press for it if he wants it, and would like to avoid the potential for interactions with western air forces that go very badly, and then some.
Quit the puerile word games if you want to talk. There's nothing axiomatic about it, and you know perfectly well there isn't. You must not even know what an axiom is if that's what you think it is.
It is an obvious implication of an extremely small and extremely weak Russian force that knows it is small and weak and is not going to pick a fight with a huge and extremely strong force that even includes a squadron of F-22A btw. And also all the vast forces all around Syria that would utterly pound that airbase to snot.
Seriously, how fucking stupid do you think Putin and RuAF are?
Do you lot even have a bloody sense of proportion? Do you even have the capacity to think about the actual situation that Russia faces here? You can't possibly be that dumb! Or is it simple denial? Or both?
Whatever it is, just snap the hell out of it, if you want to be taken seriously. It is an incredible joke to even imagine that Russia has an offensive air option here. It has none! Even Israel just made the message clear to Putin that it can all be gone in short order, so watch it, because we'll be watching, etc. So what delusions you guys are entertaining! Jezus krist, even Jordan's little F-16 air force could wipe out that Russian contingent all by itself!
Don't even think there's a chance of Russia starting shit like that and surviving the hour.
What I find hilarious is that you take the statements of any politician, Russian or US/NATO, at face value. How many lies do you need to hear to understand that these statements are all subterfuge, propaganda, red herrings, distraction, redirection or all of the above? Any talk of "cooperation" falls into a category that intellectually falls on its face.
The Russians ARE coming, the US/NATO doesn't want them there, and "ISIS" is the red herring.
Yes, I actually know that, it's what 'diplomacy' is based on, a parody until a deal is made. If no deal is made from the parody = more war and worse war. But you must have the kabuki and talking-points to bring about an actual deal. And it's nice to like, impersonate a rapier and all, but just remember that there are about 50 million people who are directly affected by the outcome of the parody process.
WTF???
It's not axiomatic, but it is obvious? :))
I give up.
Yeah that's what I thought, you are playing idiotic russian troll games. And the word used was axiom, not 'axiomatic', which has a different usage. And as you are apparently determined to be a deliberate and willful fucking idiot, I'll just clarify for tedious juvenile troll morons like you, that the sense in which I use it, which is the commonplace scientific meaning and usage of the word, means this:
Axiom = a universally accepted scientific principle.
How fucking dumb are you jerkoff?
Well, we weren't discussing science, were we?
Axiom = a self-evident truth that requires no proof
...and I used it first, so it's my call :))
Have a nice day.
Agreed Element. Russia is not in a position in Syria to open a war against the Zios - only their proxies. Not yet, anyway.
However, I will say it is early days for the Russians in Syria - all deployments so far being part of their "first phase".
Time will show if the Russians will allow mission creep to build or if they can do the job with what they've got.
I would suppose a lot will depend on the Israeli & US response to the current level of Russian involvement and its impact.
Either way it's popcorn time. It's going to be a hell of a show.
Yes, agreed Victor. These deployments always start small, get poorish results, then spiral-escalate.
However I think the Iranians will certainly pour in a large ground force whereas the Russians may serve more as a weapon supplier, logistics and supporting role, while SA and Iranians act as the primary manpower suppliers, with more limited and specialized Russian combat ground forces support on the margins.
Iranian manpower may actually be the bigger story here, that is currently being overlooked by the (slightly) disturbing presence of Russian forces close to Western aircraft.
Hardline Shia Muslims alongside secular and sometimes Christian Russians, fighting radical Sunni Muslims, that seem to have a lot of western and Israeli weapons (reportedly) and extensive prior Turkish support ... this is for sure an interesting mix.
Wonder how well this arrangement will workout, in practice. Perhaps there is enough shared interests to hold it together, and not go off in different directions. I suspect due to the 'religious' dimension Russia's aims will begin to diverge from Iran's combat aims, with time.
Who will really know who shot what down? Remember a certain 777 over the Ukraine?
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was a scheduled international passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that crashed on 17 July 2014 after being shot down, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.
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“Now I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven...Most of you will know that seven is quite a number...2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven...Now I don’t know if the G7 will have anything to do with it.” -- Christine Lagarde, January 15, 2014
Another coincidence:
Israel invades Gaza on July 17th 2014.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html
Regarding the photo by Hedgeless of the weapons he believes shot down the jet in Ukraine and can be used against the fighter jets and bombers in Syria.
I was not aware those weapons you show are capable of taking out a high flying commercial jet. Others have claimed the jet was too high for any of the weapons the EUke's had and only the more advanced systems (truck deplpyed and guided by radar that is truck mounted) were capable to do so from the ground.
If those shoulder fired mini systems are that capable against the fighter jets why have the Syrians not had them already? Or why have the Syrians been so incompetent in their use? Foreign jets have flown to the outskirts of their capital and bombed them. Northern Syria is frequently bombed. If these shoulder fired units can do this then why is the S-300 system even needed. Just deploy large numbers of these single man systems and knock everything out of the air.
Why has Russia not delivered the S-300 missiles to Syria as contracted for in 2007? Because Russia does not want Syria to knock down NATO or Israeli jets. Why else?
More people at a Russian base. So what. Russia could have been flying missions two years ago from that base. Those foot soldiers are not needed to bomb ISIS. They are not needed to use antiair missiles and stop the foreign jets bombing Syria.
Has Russia fired a shot, even one, in Syria? No. Lots of talk and posteuring. Russia IS getting better positioned to take a part of Syria for Russia.
I didn't say that.
Reading. It's fundamental.
The French? LOL As Jed Babbin said: "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordian." Dropping a few bombs and firing a few missiles without serious risk is one thing. Once the French pilots see those SU 33s and 35s zipping around they'll be heading for the high ground pronto.
Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"
The US/NATO have lost their bottle, Putin has stated his intentions and pointed out the consequences to US/NATO should they try to interfere with the implementation of his plans, so the only option left for Barry is a humiliating climbdown because Barry knows that a run-in with Russia would be the nightmare from hell.
Soon as the Russians start flight operations they have to close Syrian airspace out of safety reasons.
Flench flies included.
aggressors talking about retaliation .
I don't like Trump -but the Republicans deserve him. And the Democrats deserve Bernie. At least with either of them, there is a slight chance that the zionist/neocon, Banksters will lose some influence. To me -both represent that the American sheeple are starting to wake up. Their heads are firmly entrenched in their asses, but are showing signs of wanting to pull out.
We are hearing from Trump and Sanders because the establishment had the fucking GALL to run another BUSH and CLINTON. It's insulting! I think we'd all be suprised just how many people would rather vote "Deez Nuts".
The establishment, the men in black, and the FED have all jumped the shark. They could say, "rain is wet" and I wouldn't believe them.
not too savy are we...with either T or S you'll still get the same ol' neo con bullshit only dressed in different rhetoric this time round just like Obama's talk was different from baby Bush's but the results are much the same...eg) endless wars of aggression.
"pushing" is what Reggie and Mike do to Obama's queer ass.
Agree totally..... the fxxxkers!!!
Right Sector is bringing the fight to the Washington regime in Kiev. So the blood may indeed start flowing but it has more to do with Joe Biden then Vlad Putin
Exactly. They can see how badly they were used. Frankly, I would not be at all surprised if the Right Sector/Ukrainian nationalists coalesce and support either a federation or outright partition of the far eastern provinces.
They want an intensely nationalist Ukraine; cutting loose the Russian speakers in the distant Donbass might be acceptable if said nationalists have a revitalized Ukraine in the west. Crimea is not coming back so their best bet is to stop being the literal servants to the likes of Joe Biden's clan.
"The Russians framed my son with an Ashley Madison account. Mr. President, we must not allow an Ashley Madison gap!" -- Joe Biden
Good luck with that. The DPR and LPR at this point have far better soldiers and far better weapons. The evil z-shit scum in Kiev can thank the Ukrainian army for arming DPR and LPR.
Kudos to the Ukrainain conscripts who gave up all their tanks, bmps and other material on the battlefield because they knew they were being used as cannon fodder by the evil Nudelman Soros scum in Kiev.
DPR at this point could probably kick every European army's ass on the battlefield. These miners and farmers are tough men but honorable.
what war? the winter is coming soon enough in Ukraine.
Exactly, nothing can happen till May.
Disagree:
Debaltsevo Battle Feb. 2015. Russians and Ukrainians know how to fight in winter conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6HK3LXBVeE
All fun and games.....till the shit goes hot!
Time to restore order to the playpen, now that the adults have arrived
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hRDS3LvQQ
Substitue "Ruskies" for "Yanks"
International Military Review – Syria, Sep. 21, 2015: Forecasting the Syrian War
http://thesaker.is/international-military-review-syria-sep-21-2015-forecasting-the-syrian-war/
Putin making sure the Qatar-Turkey pipeline is but a fantasy...
How about the Russian - Turkey gas stream? Not criticizing anything here. Just observing how fxxked up the whole place is. Today you are my enemy, tomorrow we do business together and after tomorrow we are enemy again.
Makes me want to join the armed forces and fight for fuck knows what.
So you won't have to "fight them over here." Well, wait a minute. We are fighting over here. We have one in the White House who is openly arming, training & funding the the terror organizations.
time for a change up in the regime in Turkey is my guess didn't Putin warn Ergodan that if he didn't desist Russia would prepare a big "Satlingrad" for the Turks! The YPG Kurds will probably play a role in giving Ergodan the battlefield defeat needed to see him toppled in Turkey. The machinations are almost limitless.....
how many Phases planed?
Putin won't waste his time fighting a PC war. Get out the white phosphorus if needed
I wonder what innovative ways ISIS will use to kill the first batch of Russians that they capture?
And if you want to know how Russia is going to deal with the Islamist terrorist : just remember of the Chechen wars
And look at Grosny now. It's better equipped than some of the UAE oil states.
Russia still plays old school. Kill everyone, start again.
The Russians will die laughing while listening to such comical threats. That's the only way Daesh will kill Russians -We have awoken the Russian Bear - and papa bear Putin is the meanest and most hungry of them all - he and his fellow Russian Bears will kill and devour ISIS in Syria, while the US plays hide and seek with ISIS in Iraq. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are now safe. Putin will now expand and put fortified bases on the border countries which are under assault from Western sponsored terrorists and invaders. Game over in the Middle East. The Saudis better behave themselves or the Bear will devour them in due time.
That's what everyone said when Russia invaded Afghanistan.
Soviet junion invaded Afghanistan not non-commie Christian white Russia
Fact is, they were invited by the legal government. Just like now.
Yep. And they were cleaning house until the US got involved.
Yeah, some people seem to think the Russians are unstoppable. It has been shown that they aren't. This isn't Afghanistan though. Whatever, just as long as I don't have to pay for it.
Russia has learned a few things in the interveining years about devastating rebel held areas...Chechnia comes to mind. As some one here wrote "kill everyone and start again".
This never happened. Neither Russia, no Soviet Union ever invaded Afghanistan. Soviet troops were in Afghanistan fighting terrorists groups of Osama Bin laden by the Afghan government invitation. (BTW, in the Soviet Union Russia had One voice against 14 voices of such as Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia...)
Even though the govt invited and supported the Russians - the Russian were decidedly kicked out by a group of lightly supported rebels.
Will ISIS now be allowed to "capture" the equpment needed to knock down Russian jets? Or perhaps this is all theater and agreements have been reached behind closed doors on who gets what part of Syria and Assad is yet to be informed.
I forgot that the worlds' most advanced anti-tank missile and mine technology and anti-aircraft missile technology, along with satellite logistics and infinite supplies of money and people was considered "lightly supported".
After all, just look how good the U.S. did against the same people twenty years later, the same people who this time weren't being supplied with world-leading technology specifically designed to counter them and their strategies.
you know so much about Afghanistan...
media education dumb you down much?
Soviets were already there, to suppress drug traffic and support moderate leader, build roads, infrastructure
schools. Girls could attend school with rights. Later many killed by their Fathers, male relatives
for dare want education. Radicals prevailed and flourished. Drug trade later is protected and multiplied.
Outside interferences and the moderate leader assassinated, coup and radical takeover.
right name for ya stuck on zero
There's no doubt about the outcome of ISIL/Russia conflict, Russia can flatten ISIL.
But if Russia is going in to sort out ISIL, what's in it for Russia? Every right thinking person welcomes the demise of ISIL. If the "West" had any cajones it would have destroyed ISIL.
The Russians arent going in there for the good of their health and as much as I welcome their dealing with ISIL, one has to wonder what conditions will the Russian bring for their involvement in this?
They stay.
If you want to know, why Russia is doing this, read the article below - a clear Russian perspective, translated from Russian, one Russian talking to other Russians. You will also learn about geography and democracy. And why, from the Russian point of view, the entire "Western view of the world" and the concept of "democracy" are totally unrealistic (and of course fake).
http://fortruss.blogspot.cz/2015/09/why-syria-is-russias-stalingrad.html
Rita Katz is hard at work on the script.
Check the LA papers for casting calls for Russian speaking blond and blue eyed actors along with swarthy Arab looking guys...
Will Spielberg and Dreamworks help Rita with some great white sharks or dinosaurs to eat hostages in orange jumps suits or poor children or Israeli children being eaten by Hamas dinosaurs?
Endless lies.
The whole VW things is about the Germans getting freindlier with Russia and requiring the Germans to take 10 million muslim refugees. These people are so evil.
Not a fan of Putin or any leader for that matter, but he sure is making Israel and United States corp look like a bunch of bitchzz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OcjQ_5Igx0
Good luck guys.kill as many Muslims as u can.
Proof that the visit of Bibi to the Kremlin was absolutely useless : Putin continues to push his checkers forward
who cares about Bibi
Well, first the U.S Congress?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRf1cdw4IAY
( All these standing ovations reminds me the speeches of Stalin where the crowd was forced to applaud if they didn't wanted to be arrested... )
The US CON-Grezz did the same thing for Porky Poroshenko who has three passports and he is a chosenite.
Maybe not useless. Perhaps he found some good words of advice for Bibi. Like, stay inside your borders for safety.
I posted here not too long ago vlad smelled blood in the water, time for Russia to fill voids as western influence fails
Good, America should be happy that Russia is finally helping put an end to ISIS. America has already spent enough blood an treasure on those "evil terrorists"...
This is how they deal with trrrreristtttss.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets
KGB Reportedly Gave Arab Terrorists a Taste of Brutality to Free Diplomats January 07, 1986|From the GuardianJERUSALEM — The KGB has adopted novel, brutal and apparently effective methods of dealing with terrorists who attack Soviet interests in the Middle East, an Israeli newspaper reported Monday.
The Jerusalem Post said the Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head.
The incident began when four Soviet diplomats were kidnaped last September by Muslim extremists who demanded that Moscow pressure the Syrian government to stop pro-Syrian militiamen from shelling rival Muslim positions in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.
The militiamen, the Jerusalem paper said, did not cease their attacks, and the body of one of the Soviet diplomats, Arkady Katkov, was found a few days later in a field in Beirut.
The KGB then apparently kidnaped and killed a relative of an unnamed leader of the Shias' Hezbollah (Party of God) group, a radical, pro-Iranian group that has been suspected of various terrorist activities against Western targets in Lebanon.
Parts of the man's body, the paper said, were then sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that he would lose other relatives in a similar fashion if the three remaining Soviet diplomats were not immediately released. They were quickly freed.
The newspaper quoted "observers in Jerusalem" as saying: "This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things--they don't talk. And this is the language Hezbollah understands."
Six Americans, missing for up to two years, are presumed to be kidnaping victims in Lebanon.
Of course this is all theater in the theatre.
Not accurate..twisted facts
look the source...
thought it was "game-on", now it's "have the option for airstrikes" ... not anymore ... HAD the option
"Cleanup on aisle 7."
Maybe they were telling the truth and have been cosistently candid ... who knows what to believe anymore. Candid and forthright is so much easier to respect either way.
It says much more about the West that we can't believe a state would be candid and truthful than it does about Russia.
If they were/are lying about Eastern Ukriane then it makes them just like us, only less about genocide and more about stopping it. If they weren't/aren't lying about Eastern Ukraine then our inability to believe it tells all kinds of stories about our own duplicity.
Dmitry Orlov weighs in on Ukraine (9/22/2015)
America's Latest Foreign Policy Fiascos, Part Ihttp://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/09/americas-latest-foreign-policy-fia...
We cannot have millions of CHRISTIAN Ukrianians flooding into the EU even though they were told they were Europeans.
F Nudelman, Soros, EU-SSR, Obola, the Pentagram, PNAC, NeoCons and Neo Libs. Scum.
The nuts on FR are going crazy...I love it.
Free Republic? Jonathan Pollard Evangelical conservatives over there. Try posting anything about the USS Liberty on FR. You will be banned. They love Bibi and will send their children to die for him because Rev. John Hagee and other idiots said Isri-hell is God's country.
I guess they missed the part about Jesus not even liking those people very much especially the money changers. And how those people sold him out and then blamed the Romans.
They're not even the same people. The people in charge in Israel today are 8th century converts from Georgia.
Let Putin spend $$$ what little he has. Go for it.
Please remind me again which nations are hugely in debt and have their markets on life support with fiat debt injections?
If this is a race to see who goes broke first, the answer is SAUDI ARABIA.
Putin is moving now because he sees that in the great poker game, the Zionists have overplayed and he's calling their weak hand.
sa must save itself much sooner, the oil price will be higher. it always is the game of oil & gas.
Well Obola and the zios are sticking it to germany and VW for talking to Putin and for not taking 20 million muslims.
Every company which puts itself near US jurisdicton should better change management.
Sorry you all are right STAR WARS tnever happed.