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Oliver Stone: Forget ISIS, America Is The Real Threat To The World
Submitted by Jake Anderson via TheAntiMedia.org,
Many people thought Oliver Stone’s days of rankling the establishment were over. Many people were wrong. His 2012 book and TV series, The Untold History of the United States, suggests the iconic filmmaker is renewing efforts to challenge the mainstream narrative regarding American exceptionalism, economic imperialism, and our government’s “nefarious involvement” in the Middle East.
To complete the 10-part documentary series and 750 page book, Stone collaborated with World War 2 scholar Peter Kuznick. The controversial filmmaker says that in assessing American history since the 1930s, it’s our involvement in the Middle East that really grabbed his attention.
“We’ve destabilized the entire region, created chaos. And then we blame ISIS for the chaos we have created,” Stone said.
According to Stone, the U.S. government’s destabilizing role actually goes back much further than ISIS. His new series pinpoints moments of American intrusion in the region as far back as the 1930s and follows it all the way to the CIA-backed Iranian coup in 1953, support for Afghanistan-based, anti-Soviet Union militants in the 1980s, George H.W. Bush’s Iraq invasion of 1990, and present-day efforts in Iran, Syria, and other countries.
Stone etched his way into the hearts and minds of the American public in the mid-to-late 1980s with two films depicting powerful experiences from the Vietnam War. Platoon and Born on the 4th of July represent Stone’s confusion over his own service in the war, for which he earned a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.
Stone’s JFK famously questioned the mainstream narrative of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, endearing the filmmaker to conspiracy theory circles for decades with a fictional account of a lawyer bringing the U.S. government to trial for its role in the assassination.
In recent years, Oliver Stone has received less acclaim for films like World Trade Center, which failed to question the mainstream narrative of 9/11, and W., which gave relatively gentle treatment to George W. Bush’s presidency.
Stone’s 2012 series, The Untold History of the United States, is a return to the intellectual form of one of his earliest successes, Salvador, which was strongly critical of the U.S.-supported right wing military of the Salvadoran Civil War. The last episode in the series is called Bush & Obama: Age of Terror. It covers the following subjects:
- The Project For A New American Century, a neoconservative think tank that called for a Pearl Harbor-type event to catalyze military action in the Middle East
- The tyranny of neoconservatives who pushed us to war with Iraq using faulty intelligence
- The rushing through of the Patriot Act, which stripped Americans of a wide variety of civil liberties while bestowing legal precedent to the new surveillance state
- The national brainwashing and fear-mongering of the War on Terror
- Invading Afghanistan to defeat some of the same terrorists the U.S. armed and trained two decades earlier
- Unconstitutional torture and interrogation tactics at Guantanamo Bay
- The mainstream media’s facilitation of war through propaganda and corporate collusion
- Obama selling out to J.P. Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, General Electric, and Big Pharma
- The $700 billion financial bailout paid for by workers, pensioners, homeowners, small businessmen, and students with loans
- The rise of CEO compensation amid the collapse of the middle class
- Obama’s failure to deliver hope, change, or transparency, his prosecution of government whistleblowers, his fortification of Bush’s national security state (though he repudiated the unilateralism of Bush, he doubled down on troops and, according to Stone, “lacked the courage of a John F. Kennedy”)
- Obama’s targeted drone strikes on Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and Somalia (includes a breathtaking clip of his remark to troops: “Unlike the old empires, we don’t make these sacrifices for territory or for resources….We do it because it’s right.”
Stone says his documentary series is an alternative approach to American history, one he hopes will fight the“educational crime” of exposing today’s schoolchildren to the propaganda of standard textbooks and television programs.
On this note, Stone doesn’t mince words:
“American exceptionalism has to be driven out of our curriculums. We’re not under threat. We are the threat.”
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Ron Paul has said this since the 80's. We were warned in the 60's...nobody listened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Oliver Stone meet Myron C Fagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ForvEyNABs8
>>>> ME
>>>> Hitlery or Crazy Uncle Joe
Do I have to time to think about it?
Speaking of conspiracy theories I just received a robocall from state senator Dermody who invited me to a "document shredding event" on Saturday. He says that I could learn how to effectively shred my documents. I don't have much regard for government but one thing they've got down pat is document shredding so the event may be quite instructive. I'm also looking forward to the sequel: How to Lose your Hard Drive and Wipe your Personal E-mail Server in Three Easy Steps.
We will stay on course while the sheeple just keep mindlessly mumbling "why can't we all get along"?
Here is the real threat:
https://youtu.be/0gVLv5eg4Xg?t=5093
Greer: obvious CIA asset.
Nuff said.
Dear Oliver Stone, why did you do that propaganda film about September 11??
Welcome, (belatedly) Mr. Stone, to the garden party.
Six days ago a man with an anonymous mask on orange line in Boston makes a bomb threat. That’s bad enough but no one was allowed on or off the train and notice how the “police” are dressed and the weapons they carry. They look like the military! It’s amazing how fast they mobilize these guys
http://www.wcvb.com/news/heavily-armed-men-walk-through-orange-line-mbta...
here’s the news story
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/16/orange-line-delays-threats/
<<Six days ago a man with an anonymous mask on orange line in Boston makes a bomb threat. That’s bad enough but no one was allowed on or off the train and notice how the “police” are dressed and the weapons they carry.>>
Getting to the point I hear a story like this, my first thought is it's the government, using their propaganda arm either setting up for more 'security' (what a misnomer) or using it as training for a 'trial run'. Or just trying to justify their own bloated budgets... especially if it makes the MSM 'news'. We all know the MSM never talks about any REAL threats, let alone any reasons or causes thereof.
(Seriously, a bomb threat without any demands? Don't real terrorists usually make demands? Who would do that, for what motivation?)
"They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other. They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa."
"Well I don't really believe in motives, Sid. I mean, did Norman Bates have a motive? Did we ever find out why Hannibal Lecter like to eat people? DON'T THINK SO! See it's a lot more scarier when there's no motive, Sid."
Yes I agree. They want us to get used to the police looking like the military. They may want to make annonymous group look like terrorists.
Incorrect, the Jewish lobby and it's ambitions are the threat, not the Americans.
Well, not sure about all that...but...to your larger point of "not the Americans"...some might find this interesting:
"Intelligence analysts can make no more a serious charge than claiming somebody altered their work and their assessments. It goes to the very core of their function: the integrity of their work as it reaches top-level customers. Those customers range from political leaders to generals, all the way to the commander in chief."
Oh pray do tell...
"Intelligence analysts exist to provide unbiased, unvarnished assessments to decision-makers. Those assessments must be free to go wherever facts and reason dictate, even if it means going against the grain of a particular political narrative. Such independence is the currency of the analytical realm.
The issue of independence is so critical it is essential that the analysts’ allegations of suppressed or altered intelligence assessments be investigated thoroughly and expeditiously. The Pentagon’s inspector general is on the case."
...now that sounds interesting, please continue...
"If the allegations are determined to be well founded it would mean that top brass at a combatant command violated the sacrosanct professional code of intelligence to provide objective analysis, free of political bias and personal agendas. The fact that as many as 50 analysts reportedly signed the complaint filed with the inspector general suggests that the problem is not a stand-alone case but systemic."
Oh my, rats in the cellar ;-)
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/09/defense-isis-intelligence-whistl...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_fK0u7uobE
> Incorrect, the Jewish lobby and it's ambitions are the threat, not the Americans.
1) Don't forget that the Jewish lobby represents the Jewish portion of the American population (now exceeding 50%, with endless Marks, Davids, Daniels, Zachs, Sarahs, Olivias, etc - and what are the goym boy names in English anyway, aside from Andrew, Anthony or Mike and Peter, which are also questionable?)
http://nameberry.com/popular_names
Popular Names in USA
Rank Girls Boys
1 Emma Noah
2 Olivia Liam
3 Sophia Mason
4 Isabella Jacob
2) Oliver Stone is one of the high-profile ZOG clowns.
The "Wall Street" is an allusion of the Wailing Wall/Kotel, i.e. a part of the Solomon Temple, and so is the nickname "Stone".
BTW, Olivia/Olver refers to the Olive trees around Torah on the emblem of Israel) -- and no need to mention Pink Floyd's The Wall, naive goym never never got their message.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone
[...]
Stone was born in New York City, the son of Jacqueline (née Goddet) and Louis Stone (born Louis Silverstein), a stockbroker.[3]
He grew up in Manhattan and Stamford, Connecticut. His parents met during World War II when his father was fighting as a part of the allied troops in France.[4] His father was non-practicing Jewish, and his French-born mother was a non-practicing Roman Catholic.
[...]
So, when Stone says "we are the threat", he is right. _They_ are the threat (but they always blame it one someone else, and the goym Americans are the scapegoat today -- that's Stone-Sliverstein main role and point of his disinformation).
L'Shana Tovah, America, what can I say.
When the US is finally, full-fledged socialist, banana republic(soon, I know); ollie will LOVE it!
What a prick.
> full-fledged socialist, banana republic(
Sounds like a definition of kibbutz
Meanwhile, in Britain the most popular boy's names are Muhammad, Mohammed and Mohammad!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/mohammed-really-is-the-...
Top baby names for London revealed: http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-08-17/top-baby-names-for-london-reve...
1 Muhammad
2 Oliver
3 Alexander
4 Daniel
5 Joshua
6 James
7 Adam
8 George
9 Jack
10 Mohammed
So, why is there a problem with Muhammad/Mohammed, but never with Jewish names like #2 Oliver, #4 Daniel, #5 Joshua, #7 Adam or #9 Jack/Jacob :)?
PS
Still glad that the Greek name Alexander is #3
yes - especially when one can order the anon masks on ebay made in china for a few pennies each -
and for Stone's WTC film - he's smart - he didn't want the cancer-laden teas that sometimes make life difficult for pesky media people - for instance, the murder of Grey State director & family this past Christmas - I noticed the chilling effect on prominent liberty radio hosts after that ...
<<Dear Oliver Stone, why did you do that propaganda film about September 11??>>
That was before Zero Hedge got running, and Stone found his way here.
C'mon, Oliver, baby, we know you're here. Come out, come out, wherever you are!
all ye, all ye oxen's free
(maybe he'll answer to that)
or maybe he won't. 9-11 is indeed a litmus test and may become the litmus test. but more important, it is how to take down the power elite, possibly the only practical way.
on 9-11 tbtb tipped their mitt a little too far away from their tit. the freedom movement in the u.s. was given a singular advantage relative to its beleaguered allies in other countries. while our evil doers may look like they will never be stopped, much less brought to justice, 9-11 is a serious chink in their armor, unique in all the world. in no other developed country has a recent government so obviously, intentionally and, by far most important, provably, murdered thousands of its own citizens. that this led to two wars of choice, killing another million and leaving homeless five million more, is a further intensifier. and the wars proliferate and continue.
for those who want significant change in our corrupt ruling triad consisting of the u.s. government (especially national security, treasury, regulatory and justice-judicial), the transnational corporations (especially financial-fed, military-industrial, media, energy, and communications) and the zionist-neoconservative-israeli forces, the way forward is through 9-11. everything else is pretty well hidden or open for debate or caught up in partisan politics. this is the only thing big enough and bad enough to prove what we know is true: we are ruled by deeply evil people who care nothing for our well-being.
9-11 is different. it is the bridge too far. it is the overreach that can be demonstrated to be false. polls over the years show u.s. citizens are less and less believing of the government's incredible (as in not credible) story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
rand paul and others are trying to get secret pages of the 9-11 report (which doesn't mention building 7) declassified. a new movie by the highly credible and non-partisan architects and engineers for 9-11 truth (which now has added firefighters to the mix) has just been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA. once one watches the wtc fall (all three), up close and in slow motion, an honest person cannot think planes and fires did it. the final nail in the coffin is the red-hot metal underground months later. gas and office fires do not do that.
this crime is too great, too evil and too poorly done to be explained away or ignored. once a growing majority of the nation sees through this lie (and the fraction is already larger than many imagine), new things become possible. the corrupt conspiracy would start to peel away like an onion. this is not yesterday's news. there is no statute of limitations on treason or murder.
Make sure you know: 911 WAS the test. If ANYONE doesn't blow away the official theory that a 6th grader could then they are anathama to the truth. FUCK THEM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O4LE0eTYc
The Kennedy assination. IMHO, there were three major drivers:
4. Threatening to defund the CIA, and expose its actions.
So, they're not "jealous of our freedom?"
FUCK THE CIA. FUCK HOMELAND SECURITY. HANG ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS & SENATE ON THE TREES OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.
His first act would be to pardon everyone with a marijuana conviction that is behind bars. “My first act would be to pardon them, because I can do that as president, get these people out, get them jobs and keep them moving,” McAfee said.
His second would be to disband the Transportation Security Administration. “The TSA was a response to an imaginary future that never materialised.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/john-mcafee-presidential-campaign-inte...
@undertow
#4 wins because they are the Gestapo that were protecting/running/facilitating #s 1-3
4.) Not enthused enough about the potential war bucks to be made from Viet Nam.
turning his back on the mob that delivered his victory, sticking a thumb in their eye by prosecuting them and fucking sam giancana's girl marilyn monroe. he and bobby were asking to get whacked.
that is so much more important than anything having to actually do with vietnam. the mic doesn't need actual wars, just the threat of war. wars are tricky; sometimes it turns people off the military and its spending for years.
best i've seen on the jfk hit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
It was his "da Jews didn do nuffin"
> Dear Oliver Stone, why did you do that propaganda film about September 11??
Because ZOG needs to keep American goyim (who are not even benefiting from the regime) in stables and Stone is a stooge for ZOG.
He's a great filmmaker. Give him time. His heart just got in the way of his brain...despite everything he had chronicled to date.
He witnessed real personal, social human terror on the ground in Vietnam and expressed the horror brilliantly, poignantly and thoughtfully in his films...to expect him to grasp an incalculable 21st Century militaristic symphony of psychopathy and inhumanity choreographed by the likes of Dick Cheney, Dov Zakheim, Larry Silverstein and Donald Rumsfeld (plus supporting cast!!), all characters that transcended if not inspired, and in some cases literally authored many of the demons Stone faced in war 30 years before is to expect that he operates on the same level... that he must be some unfeeling calculating monster machine that has to ignore all that he has experienced and expressed to date and to coldly and intellectually operate and analyse at a level commensurate with the psychos responsible as if all the new data is like some kind of video game?
Everyone comes at this information awareness with a unique history, knowledge, experience and bias.
IMO the danger of 20/20 hindsight and not living/feeling/fighting can be the Internet: The Great Insulator.
Stone is a warrior. He has fought and won before and he will win again.
Will you?
I just figured he needed to make some dough to fund more projects that DO tell the truth.
His WTC didn't tell falsities so much as avoid the larger story while focusing on a couple fireman trying to survive. Stone's overall body of work has been pretty strong.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Just like any individual country or house, when the defacto leader of the world abdicates, someone will ALWAYS fill the void. Better to be the country who is misbehaving and work on fixing that problem, than be on the receiving end of the abuse from a less benevolent hegemony.
As sad as it sounds no other country will behave as well as the USA has during our run at the top. But, someone (like China or Russia, et al) WILL be the new top dog within a few decades, and we'll get to see what that looks like. Knowing human history, I'm not very optimistic...
<<As sad as it sounds no other country will behave as well as the USA has during our run at the top.>>
We can only hope.
It is quite unfortunate, but you are correct. Humans may not desire a ruler, but the vast majority of them will submit to one.
However, I maintain that if we can purge genetic psychopathy/sociopathy from our genome, that "next step in human evolution" will pretty much spontaneously manifest.
And for all the folks here who think China will be a more benevolent world-dominating superpower than 'Murica has been, I invite you to do some reseach on the ideological underpinnings behind the concept of "The Middle Kingdom." I'll give you a hint: think goyim.
but you have to admit we were nicer some time ago, say before the six day war, if you get my drift.
considering the years in between, the romans weren't so bad. nice roads and aqueducts. relative freedom of religion. genghis khan was also a tolerant man, to a degree.
these last two absolute scum bags bush and obama sure have wasted a lot of good will built up by their betters.
Hillarity is two up on him. "How to Unsuccessfully Wipe You Email Server, Evade Prosecution, and Become Prezidint"
Should be a best seller. Now I am no fan of The State, its rules and its self-declared need for secrecy, but FFS, even Faux news is talking about her candidacy, rather than calling for handcuffs. Don't worry...this time will be different. We just need the right sort of people in government.
Hillary's IT people are doing a seminar. Openings filling up fast!!!! Act Now!
I opened my computer and removed the hard drive and put it in a wood chipper.
Is there a less expensive way to shred my documents?
US trained "rebels" change sides in minutes after entering Syria with US air cover.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
But less or no vetting was used all along with the CIA paying, training and equipping 10,000+ anti-Syrian fighters since early 2012. Most of those fighters have, like the Pentagon trained group, sold their weapons and ammunition to Jihadis or even joined them.
Pentagram, MIC, PNAC, NeoCon/Neo/Lib AIPAC clown show and murder corporation.
Every nation-state is the real threat to the world. If I have to choose between all the evils, I choose the one that will win. Let's be honest with each other, the new winner win simply take over the same reigns.
Whenever people come out with information like this, I think they must be ready for death.
Stone gives you part of the truth, but not all of it by any means.
Correct me if I'm wrong but my impression of Stone is that he is one of those people who says the government is a problem that we need to solve with a bigger and better government.
9/11 was a nice experiment, to test Americans' ability to take in "new information".
All kinds of in-your-face data, contradicting the official narrative.
What do we do with that?
NOTHING.
So I forgive anyone not directly putting a finger on the bottom line, because even if they did, we would do NOTHING.
There's a growing list of people who shined a light on the deep state, and they're resting comfortably as fertilizer.
Us snarking in the comments section of a blog on the interweb is not that far from NOTHING.
Welcome to Fight Club, bitchez.
They do what they do, and we comment.
Have a perfect day.
You are right on it.
They will continue to do exactly as they please.
Comments mean nothing until one is "categorized" as "a problem" to be "discussed"
Oh, but this can't be all for nothing!!!!!!
I'll correct you by saying you're wrong. Oliver Stone has never said that the government should be any particular size. He simply says that it shouldn't be fascist.
Conversely, the mainstream news media spend quite a bit of time defending the often-criminal actions of the government.
In fact, American newspapers, magazines, and TV stations have spent decades defending the Warren Commission Report, which includes idiotic theories such as the Magic Bullet Theory.
Also, witnesses to the Kennedy assassination have noted that the Warren Commission altered their testimony to fit the Osawald-did-it-alone theory.
Oliver Stone wants to be Ron Paul when he grows up, except Stone is still in the business of movies and can't rattle the hornets nest too much, while Dr. Paul's passion is liberty, whose essential element is rattling the hornets nest.
Stone runs hot and cold. This article is old news. I thought he was making a new film about how the CIA orchestrated the overthrow of the freely elected Ukrainian president and installed the current puppet. Still waiting for that
One can gage how close to the truth somebody is getting by a few factors:
1.) Has he been assassinated?
2.) Does his message resonate with the public AND does it threaten the establishment? If so, see #1
3.) Is he under 50?
Ron Paul was 3 years ahead of his time and his message would resonate with the public today if he were 30 years younger...but he would've been assassinated by now.
Ever since Kennedy's brains were blown out on November 22, 1963 by the CIA, which he had vowed to shatter into a thousand pieces and scatter to the winds, a Deep State has ruled the land of the free. It thrives on conflict and war and military spending and infinite spying and control. America has started 81% of the wars since WWII. None so blind as those who refuse to see:
Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far. Arrests are when now?
People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country. The data confirm this conclusion:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/earth-248-armed-conflicts-ww2-us-...
USA bringing freedom and democracy to this world:
Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/14/ron-paul/...
The biggest chunk of the deep state isnt MIC. It is unionized government workers and their unions, like school employees and IRS agents. The education industrial complex. The regulatory bureaucratic complex.
Only if you promise to be a complete unrepentant asshole to every member of Congress, in perpetuity.
>>>>>> ME
>>>>>> Anybody else
Here here Mr. Stone
Ron Paul was warning us about jewish neocons and their wars for Israel?
He has been warning us about EVERYTHING. Take a few moments and watch it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYwPJUY_cc
If memory serves,,, RP voted for the Afghanistan invasion...just saying...
I think what he voted for was congressional authorisation of the president, specifically to go after those responsible for the Sep 11 terrorism act, rather than the illegal invasion of Iraq, which I think he spoke against.
That was back in the days when the president was supposed to get congressional authorisation for invasions and wars and stuff like that.
I spent a year in the middle east in 1976-1977 while in the (gasp!) US navy. Even spent a little time in Iran before the fall of the Shah. We were treated with respect and in no way threatened. Very warm and hospitable people. I was asked a number of times why the American government hated Iran and why it kept interfering in their affairs. Being a young and uninformed (I was a product after all of public schools) I had no good answer. It wasn't until years later did I fully understand how nefarious the US has been in the region.
Right. The Shah we installed and maintained right to the end , made Assad look like tooth fairy.
Economic Hit Men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-a6jzU0YgQ
Here is the book
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - United Diversity ...
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities
By Steve Kangas
The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)
CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.
This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.
http://bit.do/ciatimeline
".... I was a product after all of public schools..." much mention is always done about having no good answers about things after attending "Public Schools". Which are the "Private Schools" that provide the good answers?
I ask because the profit motive does not seem to be congruent with telling the truth and shaking the boat. And does a silver spoon get me a dosage of the truth? Or is it just some Private Schools?
Stone, for obvious reasons, will never mention Israel or Zionism in his explanation of why things are they way they are. He will overlook the biggest ingredient in the mix.
+1000
ISIS
Looks like China may be headed to Syria. Is this Putin's CTSO and also BRICs starting to show what they can do to stop NeoCon genocide?
http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/syrian-army-triumpth-terrorist-atta...
Flanders, they are coming....
"According to a friend in Latakia, Chinese military personnel are set to arrive in Tartous in the next 6 weeks."
https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/646413000887402496
Looks like ISIS cannot treat their wounded now so they kill them???
Iraq News: IS cannot treat its badly wounded, so it kills 'em. Fine. A dead rat is a good rat.
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/isis-executes-27-wounded-gunmen-says-s...
Read more at http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/syrian-army-triumpth-terrorist-atta...
Now you've got people on ZeroHedge conflating protestant American doctor/congressman Ron Paul (who never visited Israel) with rich dual passport holding Jewish Communist Hollywood actor Oliver Silverstein. And getting upvotes. Holy fuck.
In 2005 he stated in a Times interview that Hilter was misunderstood due to Jewish control of the media. He also said the AIPAC was an overly powerful Jewish lobby in the US.
But whatever...... I can't believe how often this has to be discussed, we all know already.
After 19 weeks Im not sure you should judging the poster on ZH.... Although I do admit they are going down hill rapidly.
Hello
My god where do these people come from? Self-loathing is a hallmark of the liberal meme.
-Argenta
This is Oliver Stones shtick and he's gotten very rich doing it......
The rightous reverend Al Sharpton comes to mind......and Michael Moore.
Cloward and Piven.
Saul Alinsky.....that's all I can think of for now.
http://www.oliverstone.com/
Master Troll
Loathing of the state is far different from loathing oneself, unless one is so deluded as to define oneself in terms of the State. Indeed, anyone with any self respect loathes the State.
Agreed, but he loathes everything that's actually good about America.
Self-loathing is a Zionist invention, used against Jews who oppose Israel. Non-Jews who oppose Israel are anti-semitic, Jews who don't comply with Zion are self-loathing.
Yeah, I'll never forget the first time I heard the phrase "self-hating Jew". The people running this shitshow have ZERO tolerance for human beings. You are either a slavemaster or a slave. They cannot permit any other categories, and they fight viciously to prevent them from being heard.
"Ahhmeriica....Ahhhmerica....
America! Fuck yeah! Here to save the mother fuckin' day yeah!"
Team America, World Police. Tits and Ass, NFL & NBA, Nike & Hamburgers, 0% on savings & serfdom.
All hail the New Rome!
On a brighter note, Lloyd Blankfien has lymphoma.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/business/dealbook/goldman-ceo-lloyd-bl...
Praise the Lord for all small favors.
hope his drug cost increase 10000000000%
Just God finally doing God's work.
Bread & Circus. Lack of morality & Emapthy. Funding, arming & training terror organizations. Importing CIA drugs, then laundering the money through the TBTFBANKSTERS to fund Destabiliaztion Campaigns of Soverign Countreis then stealing their wealth & natural Resouces,
Torture.
Illegal NSA spying.
Fast & Furious.
Benghazi
Ukraine.
False Flags.
911.
Yea, this Empire is Collapsing. All in a day's work with the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.
And, those were only the ones I could remember off the top of my head literally sitting on the can taking a Shit. Yea, America. It makes you feel like taking a shit.
<<On a brighter note, Lloyd Blankfien has lymphoma.>>
Sez the NY Times, America's Pravda. I'm filing this with Jamie Demon's 'throat cancer'.
Maybe he has the Litvinenko disease - has all of the PO210 been accounted for?
It appears God has an urgent job for him...in the next life
Interesting.
Don't you need to be human to get Lymphoma?
I hope he has Obamacare.
My kids love that quote. We say it like "Amurrika". Personally I have never seen the source video.
America has many issues and oversteps its bounds egregiously. In many ways it is the new Rome. But Stone is a fucking moron. We do not make a habit of puclicly executing innocent people merely because they do not fit into our narrow-minded view of the world as does Isis. We do not require one half of our popultation to live in fear and subservience as Isis and much of the Arab world does. The IDEA of America was and still is exceptional. Anyone who says differently can go fuck themselves as far as I am concerned, despite the fact that the actual state of affairs in Amurrika (police state, government capture by a narrow elite etc etc) is very far from the IDEA.
Oliver Stoned
I suppose that of all "sins" of idealism, hypocricy is the most egregious to me. Our country is the world's leader of hypocricy!
i disagree. and it sure isnt the worlds leader in just making shit up to suit its purpose. or simply outlawing those it does not wish to tolerate. tolerance is mostly built in to our society and our framework. try arguing tolerance with some fucker from Isis. You will lose your head. The downvoeters are morons
"We do not make a habit of puclicly executing innocent people.."
Unless they're attending a Pakistani wedding or JSOC turn up at their front door.
America (and friends) are ISIS, this is well documented.
You've got some catching up to do.
In America, it's only a public incident if it's on the TV!
Very few people are able to understand what you just said.
What you say is a pile of shit. If connected people want to fuck your life up they can and will easily dismantle any hope or future you have in this country.. your IDEA is a total facade for the moths to fly around as long as they stay blinded
AMERICA! Jesus' Favourite Country! ©
You wanna be the new Rome or the new Carthage (Germany)? I know which one I'll take as Germany is exterminated from the maps and history books by mass Muslim invasion.
USA! USA! USA!
If you ever watch the matches of the American women's volleyball team, they'll shout out proudly during every time out :-)
good girls... tall and pretty some of them, quite patriotic!
Hope it's not just more leftist counter-cultural self-hate. If he can avoid that, there's a lot of very unpleasant truth in the material here that would be well-received by the American people, methinks.
"Obama’s failure to deliver hope, change, or transparency, his prosecution of government whistleblowers, his fortification of Bush’s national security state (though he repudiated the unilateralism of Bush, he doubled down on troops"
Not Obama's fault. The President can't do much these days, why, because the DEEP STATE is in control. FIRMLY in control...
Obama is a disgrace.
so is Nixon, Johnson, Reagan, Clinton (2), Bush 1,2,3,4,5......n
what's your point??
I love how now that Obama has fucked up he is a puppet but Bush was running the whole show for 8 yrs and beyond.
haha and lol
March 1970 The Guess Who
American woman, said get away
American woman, listen what I say
Don't come a-hangin' around my door
Don't wanna see your face no more
I don't need your war machines
I don't need your ghetto scenes
Coloured lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now woman, get away from me
American woman, mama, let me be
This is a major underlying truth that, apparently, most Americans don't get, even after 9/11.
I'm angry, knock the chip off my shoulder Oliver Stone. And btw I'm outraged, outraged I tell you. Fuck You! Figure it out.
I must find my meds.
Truer words were never spoken. And we are all now subject to NSA spying, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc because of fears about (domestic) terrorism. We doesn't the US of A just go out and terrorize the world and then also terrorize its own citizens with losses of guaranteed freedoms as well? (oops, already has)
BTW, my brother doesn't want to hear about Middle East history. In his mind we are presently there for "humanitarian reasons" only. End of story.
I never thought I would reach the point of becoming an admirer of Oliver Stone, but he is one of the very few in Hollywood who are not actually part of the Zionist Matrix (I think!)
Seems that way. So was Aaron Russo...
Be careful there. Answer this: What is Stone's solution to the problem?
Be he like Ron Paul (government is the problem so we need less government) or W. Buiter (central banks have screwed the global economy so ban cash and use negative interest rates to... enrich the banks)?
Mel Gibson - The Passion Of The Christ (2005)
Stop terrorism. Arrest Lloyd Blankfein.
is it better to be in the belly of the beast
or in its path?
Guy who makes moves about mob violence and glorifies murder talks shit about morals and ethics.
Yeah, whatever.
He also made the film "JFK". Don't belittle him.
Fuck off idiot.
Year 2015 Snowden 2012 Savages 2010 Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps 2008 W. 2006 World Trade Center 2004 Alexander (2004) 2000 The Art of War 2000 Any Given Sunday The Corruptor 1996 Evita 1996 The People vs. Larry Flynt 1996 Freeway Nixon New Age 1995 Natural Born Killers 1993 The Joy Luck Club Dave 1992 Patriot Games 1991 JFK 1991 The Doors 1990 Reversal of Fortune 1992 Blue Steel 1989 Born on the Fourth of July Talk Radio 1987 Wall Street 1986 Platoon 1986 Salvador 1983 Scarface 1982 Conan the Barbarian (1982) 1978 Midnight ExpressIf you don't enjoy movies - just come the fuck out and say it asshole!
What is the matter with you?
Is that you Edward?
Element - If you have issues with Oliver Stone movies, I have a solution you might consider.
One can YouTube "Three Stooges" episodes as far back as the late 1930s and early 1940s. It's fascinating to see stuff that was actually produced smack dab during WWII. Utterly fascinating. I have recorded a bunch to blank DVDs in addition to streaming them on tv.
BTW, Curley was the first & best, followed by Shemp, with Curley Joe a poor also-ran. Moe and Larry were certainly hep dudes.
I hope you don't find the Three Stooges distasteful as well. Maybe you should explore the various producers before considering them. You know, Jules White and all.
No you dumb bastard, I don't.
I'm not the slightest bit interested in a privileged 'personality' hypocrite narcissist preaching down to everyone about a moral and ethical standard that the scumbag has never exhibited, nor lived up to, nor supported before - just the opposite - in every possible disgusting way.
Now if you can't get that through your grey matter, it's you, not me.
he is a fucking fanboy ,, don't mess with this flog
Brian de Palma did Scarface. Salvador actually brought light to a crisis that most muricans don't know or give a shit about. You left out U turn, one of my favs. Natural Born Killers, that movie has more truth to it than a stooge like you could ever know. Never made the connection between woody harrelson and tommy lee jones ?????? Thats JFK 101 !!!!!!!!! Think Clay Shaw and Hitman Harrelson knew each other, probably not, but I bet a Silver Bolivar that Ferrie knew that lady proffesor that got fried at Tulane. And Shaw knew Ferrie !!!!!!! Well, gotta run. " Just how do you think you're gettin outta here" I'm walkin out the front fuckin door !! "
Scarface was scripted by Stone.
You'd know all about that, I sure don't. I'm OK with it too.
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stooge (sto?oj)
n.
1. The partner in a comedy team who feeds lines to the other comedian; a straight man.
2. One who allows oneself to be used for another's profit or advantage; a puppet.
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#1. I have no problem with that.
#2. It describes most of the people on earth who work for a living, or get paid by others for services rendered and enjoyed. I have no problem with that either.
Looks like you should cut down on your consumption of Hollywood-made entertainment and devote your time to more educational things.
Who cares about Oliver Stone? An idiot. He idolizes Castro and Hugo Chávez. He should be happy to go to Venezuela and have access to toilet paper or snort all he can in Bolivia, being part of the chief's retinue.
Leave US problems to the adults in the room.
Watch it and then judge. I give it 5/5 stars.
America has been very good to me.
Roadhazard
in the woods, WNC.
Oliver Stone is a traitor and is shameful. America is a great country despite all the damage that the Obama administration and Hollywood has done. I love America much to their chagrin.
Good for you but if you have ever been to a real modern country and returned to the USA you would realize that the USA is a shithole.
I've been to Europe. I honestly wasn't impressed. Everything costs a fortune and the people suck. Plus the bathrooms are a disgrace and you have to pay to use them. Fuck that. Should I ever emigrate anywhere it will probably be Madagascar or Senegal. And yes I've been there too.
It's only a shit hole if that's what you want to live in. Americans look forward all year to be able to come stay a week where I live all year. Who wants to travel to another country when it's so beautiful where I live. Y'all are missing it not me.
Unfortunately America's exceptionalism has been hijacked by greedy assholes bent on doing whatever they want in the world while claiming to be the good guys.
There is a vast chasm between what made the American experiment exceptional and unique, ant what passes for American exceptionalism in the classroom. American exceptionalism should to be driven out of the curriculum, along with "climate change", inherent equality, gender neutrality and countless other voodoo beliefs and practices that that have devolved from at least reasonably debatable positions into cultish absurdities that merely feed the growth of the idiocrisy.
Let's see Oliver Stone come out with a film about Al Gore and his fellow scammers plotting to deprive humanity while lining their own pockets and building the foundation for a corporatist utopia... I won't be holding my breath...
<<There is a vast chasm between what made the American experiment exceptional and unique, ant what passes for American exceptionalism in the classroom. American exceptionalism should to be driven out of the curriculum, along with "climate change", inherent equality, gender neutrality and countless other voodoo beliefs and practices that that have devolved from at least reasonably debatable positions into cultish absurdities that merely feed the growth of the idiocrisy.>>
Hear, hear.
Movies don't matter, but sadly 'western culture' has elevated them to generational mouthpieces. As such, Stone is one of the better players of a sad bad lot, and Hollywood stuff is nothing but propaganda.
you seriously think we're not raping the planet and the billions who live on it?
You're smarter than that.
There is a vast difference between damaging the environment or manufacturing local micro climate changes and the academic, financial, and regulatory fraud and wealth and power transfer mechanisms that masquerade as the fight against "global man made climate change due to CO2 emissions".
And while we're all playing a shell game to track the origin and current whereabouts of evil btus, actual addressable issues like pollution, radiation, erosion, deforestation, desertification, et al. progress at a lethally problematic rate (or even CO2 production in China, since they are of short of greens to absorb all the cabon crap we exported with our jobs and debt).
1. plant hemp
2. harvest hemp
3. produce hemp-lime "concrete" for carbon nuetral refugee housing