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Endgame: Putin Plans To Strike ISIS With Or Without The U.S.
On Sunday, we noted that Washington’s strategy in Syria has now officially unravelled.
John Kerry, speaking from London following talks with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, essentially admitted over the weekend that Russia’s move to bolster the Assad regime at Latakia effectively means that the timing of Assad’s exit is now completely indeterminate. Here’s how we summed up the situation:
Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington’s bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn’t about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them. The genius of that move is that if Washington does indeed coordinate its efforts to fight ISIS with Moscow, the US will be fighting to stabilize the very regime it sought to oust.
Revelations (which surprised no one but the Pentagon apparently) that Moscow is coordinating its efforts in Syria with Tehran only serve to reinforce the contention that Assad isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, and the US will either be forced to aid in the effort to destroy the very same Sunni extremists that it in some cases worked very hard to support, or else admit that countering Russia and supporting Washington’s regional allies in their efforts to remove Assad takes precedence over eliminating ISIS. Because the latter option is untenable for obvious reasons, Washington has a very real problem on its hands - and Vladimir Putin just made it worse.
As Bloomberg reports, The Kremlin is prepared to launch unilateral strikes against ISIS targets if the US is unwilling to cooperate. Here’s more:
President Vladimir Putin, determined to strengthen Russia’s only military outpost in the Middle East, is preparing to launch unilateral airstrikes against Islamic State from inside Syria if the U.S. rejects his proposal to join forces, two people familiar with the matter said.
Putin’s preferred course of action, though, is for America and its allies to agree to coordinate their campaign against the terrorist group with Russia, Iran and the Syrian army, which the Obama administration has so far resisted, according to a person close to the Kremlin and an adviser to the Defense Ministry in Moscow.
Russian diplomacy has shifted into overdrive as Putin seeks to avoid the collapse of the embattled regime of Bashar al-Assad, a longtime ally who’s fighting both a 4 1/2 year civil war and Sunni extremists under the banner of Islamic State. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew to Moscow for talks with Putin on Monday, followed by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday.
Putin’s proposal, which Russia has communicated to the U.S., calls for a “parallel track” of joint military action accompanied by a political transition away from Assad, a key U.S. demand, according to a third person. The initiative will be the centerpiece of Putin’s one-day trip to New York for the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 28, which may include talks with President Barack Obama.
“Russia is hoping common sense will prevail and Obama takes Putin’s outstretched hand,” said Elena Suponina, a senior Middle East analyst at the Institute of Strategic Studies, which advises the Kremlin. “But Putin will act anyway if this doesn’t happen.”
And that, as they say, it that. Checkmate.
The four-year effort to oust Assad by first supporting and then tolerating the rise of Sunni extremists (presaged in a leaked diplomatic cable) has failed and the Kremlin has officially served a burn notice on a former CIA “strategic asset.”
There are two things to note here.
First, Russia of course is fully aware that the US has never had any intention of eradicating ISIS completely. As recently as last week, Moscow’s allies in Tehran specifically accused Washington of pursuing nothing more than a containment policy as it relates to ISIS, as allowing the group to continue to operate in Syria ensures that the Assad regime remains under pressure.
Second, even if Russia does agree to some manner of managed transition away from Assad, you can be absolutely sure that Moscow is not going to risk the lives of its soldiers (not to mention its international reputation) only to have the US dictate what Syria’s new government looks like and indeed, Tehran will have absolutely nothing of a regime that doesn’t perpetuate the existing Mid-East balance of power which depends upon Syria not falling to the West. Additionally - and this is also critical - Russia will of course be keen on ensuring that whoever comes after Assad looks after Russia’s interests at its naval base at Tartus. This means that even if the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are forced to publicly support a managed transition, Washington, Riyadh, and Doha will privately be extremely disappointed with the outcome which begs the following question: what will be the next strategy to oust Assad and will it be accompanied by something even worse than a four-year-old bloody civil war and the creation of a band of black flag-waving militants bent on re-establishing a medieval caliphate?
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Langley won't like that.
Tough shit
hairball :)
Wow, when I first glanced at that headline, I thought it read, "Putin to bomb Obama with or without ISIS."
Oh well. A guy can dream, I guess.
Love it. Putin gets to bomb US interests and to retaliate .gov will have to admit that ISIS was their creation, or they have no reason to deny this chess move by Russia.
Since ISIS was sold to the US public as an evil entity, doesn't it seem logical that Russia is now aligning with the US to eradicate these terrible terrists? lmao.
Foreign policy has become an absolute gong show, largely because it's not real anymore. Creating terrorist groups to destabilize humanity has some bad karma, I'd think.
Go get 'em Vlad.
Just think how happy all the native europeans will be if the migrant hordes stop... More positive press that won't be coming Obola's way.
Why is it assumed that "Assad must go"? He has been freely and fairly elected TWICE since 2002. I do like how Putin waited until the US was up to their neck with this bogus ISIS ruse before calling Bullshit for the whole World to see.
Chinese military personnel are set to arrive in Syria in the next 6 weeks.
Publicus, you post that in other threads, yet have no sources.
Got sources? If not, then STFU.
Regards,
Cooter
Has the Nudelmonster had a stroke?
"Assistant Secretary of state for Europe and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland arrived at the hospital St Francis (St. Francis Hospital) in the state of new York after a stroke, the consequence of which was a partial paralysis of the right side of the body and slurred speech" - reports the BBC
"On the eve of the assistant Secretary became ill on the job, but timely care was, as Victoria Nuland worked in the office alone. Only after some time, found her unconscious, her assistant, and then was summoned emergency assistance. Doctors diagnosed a stroke and, as a consequence, hemiplegia (paralysis). Decided immediate transport Victoria Nuland in the best cardiology clinic USA the Hospital of St. Francis. We wish Victoria a speedy recovery" - informs a leading BBC America
If so, may she have a long slow and incomplete recovery. God certainly seems to be smiting a few of the Self-Chosenites.
No...it's just what they do (e.g. Skankfein) to garner sympathy in advance of the $hit blowing up in their faces...
Chinese military personnel are set to arrive in Syria in the next 6 weeks.
This is gonna get flipped on Russia so hard as soon as US SpecOps turn up dead.
And everybody will be too stupid to ask why they were there in the first place.
Slave, just yesterday the guest on NPR Diane Reems said "polls show" Americans now favor boots on the ground in Syria. Shocked me since every poll I have seen the vast majority of Americans are sick of war and do wonder wtf are we still there for.
RE: Nudleman: She had a stroke or was she just high as a kite? Those gubmint parasites in the foreign service tend to be big boozers.
Hal... Open The Pod Bay Door Please...
Q: What did the hand say to the face?
A: Slap!
Balls are so yesterday in the world today...
Howdy Doody, the sad part is that Neocons/Neoliberals like Nudelman are interchangeable and disposable like car tires. She is a symptom of a sick system.
Having said that, I'll bet there are millions of Ukies wishing her little or no health.
Endgame? I seriously doubt it, and I fail to see why everybody thinks this is positive for Russia.
Russia is being used by the West to clean up the mess Obama, Cameron & the EU made, and I fear that Russia might get drawn into a long and bloody war. This won't be tanks against tanks, or battalion against battalion. It will be guerilla warfare against an enemy that is armed with suicide bombers, RPG's and flat bed pick-up trucks with AA guns bolted to them. It'll be Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia, or a similar situation the US encountered in Iraq after the conventional war was won, but the civil war started.
That's an odd viewpoint. It doesn't mesh with observable evidence, historical precedents or logic.
Oh. You're a .gov planted troll? Sorry, I didn't realize. Carry on!
What does that pay in the US? If you don't mind me asking... Full healthcare?
He's a Dutch rat.
Sure, and Publicus will love me:
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-personnel-expected-...
Never you forget the media is just working its PSYOPS on the sheeple. Being a mouthpiece for the next move in the game of Risk.
I think this move by Putin was brilliant to be honest. What can this administration do? Russia has decided to help combat ISIS which our government and the EU have set up as the newest boogeyman along with Alqueda. I am sure Isreal and the Saudi's are pissed!
@slave
"This is gonna get flipped on Russia so hard as soon as US SpecOps turn up dead. "
Piles of the US SpecOps have been turning up dead in Ukraine for the past 1.5 year. Do you ever hear about them?
Don't overestimate. No one cares about them. Not even inssurance companies.
Dale Carnegie could not have said it better.
I think Slave is right.
Now that Russia will be involved, they will be open about American dead in Syria, dead because of the evil anti christ Putin.
"Putin must go!" you will hear.
My cynical self would not be surprised if they have been saving US dead for just this purpose...
Now why would US Special Operation Forces be in Syria? "We" declined Putin's invite to join forces in attacking ISIS.
"This is gonna get flipped on Russia so hard as soon as US SpecOps turn up dead."
They will be denied. Not by Russia.
"If any of your team is caught or captured, they will be disavowed. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to remove money from politics, incarcerate criminal corporate leaders, reinstated the force of the constitution, and eliminate the Federal Reserve. Good Fucking Luck with that, Jim (or Ethan, depending on your age)"
How about fixing the up/down arrow glitch Tyler? I down voted Slave's comment. It added 1 down vote and 10 up votes. WTF?
Try refreshing before you click your vote.
322 comments late but have to ask all you brilliant assholes and clowns - where the fuck is AssAd and why havent the israli or us/isis/turkey/saudi airforce taken him out in the time before russian forces arrived? Did he have protective weapons in place already -s-300 etc or is this part of the plan for world war and armageddeon or am I some kind of goddam fuckin idiot AND I DONT WATCH CNN ENOUGH ??????????????????? btw go fuck yourself.
God certainly seems to be smiting a few of the Self-Chosenites.
Someone is.
Spose those DEW's are bi-directional?
Paralysis is no excuse for not hauling that bitch in front of the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity. If she is on a heart-lung machine and dialysis, she still deserves to have her ass hauled to the Hague to answer to genocide.
Nuland is personally responsible (among dozens of others) for the deaths of 6,500 Ukrainians at the hands of Jewish-Ukrainian Mobster Poroshenko and his mobster cronies. Anyone that has ever worked for her and all her superiors - right up to the President of the U.S. - are all accessories to genocide. If they think they're innocent in the eyes of international law, then they can plead their case in the Hague just like the rest of the criminal mass murders dragged before the judges there.
"I was just doing my job" didn't work for the Nazis at Nuremberg, and it won't work for Nuland. There is no diplomatic immunity for genocide - haul her paralyzed ass to the Hague NOW.
<< If she is on a heart-lung machine and dialysis ... >>
... or, just flip the electric switch to the "off" position.
Too quick...
Simulated brown-out - for about 10 years.
Nudleman brings out the psychopath in me. I would never want the plug pulled on her.
I want to see her squirm for months at her own criminal trail in front of the whole world. The most painful thing you can do to a psychopath isn't death, it's forcing them to repeatedly face people they previously controlled who are eager to testify against them. Showing psychopaths that their illusion of power and control was fake is the worst possible torture on earth for them.
People think psychopaths are shamed and abhor public humiliation. It has absolutely nothing to do with that. They don't give a damn what 'people' think of them. Their entire life is about amassing power and control. Disassemble their life's work in front of their eyes and they die inside. Kind of like if you threw water on Hillary and she started cackling
Those links on the supposed Nuland stroke don't lead to any article on that topic, and nor is there any mention of such anywhere on the web.
We can dream can't we?
thank you lesamourai. it did seem too good to be true. anti-zionist porn.
know what would give her a stroke? people asking really good 9-11 questions every chance they got. like how did cell phone calls get made in mid flight? why was metal at wtc red hot months later? how did those "terrorist" passports survive the crash, fireball, complete destruction of towers and be found quickly by investigators? etc. etc. etc.
9-11 is the best and possibly only route to deposing the current power elite in the u.s. there truly is a way other than by revolution, which would be suppressed. tptb made a bad, bad mistake and got their dicks caught in a crack. we each must arm ourselves with information and win the hearts and minds of the american people, one by one. no honest person can watch the twin towers fall, up close and in slow motion, and believe the official story. it really is that simple. and it is too evil to be explained away or ignored, once enough people have seen through the ruse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...Re. No honest person ...
Agreed. So the problem starts to look like a shortage of honest people, in which case it will be hard for Americans to claim they don't deserve what's coming. Honest with others. Honest with themselves.
The Republic fails under a shortage of honest people.
true indeed. but one of the many wonderful things about 9-11 from our point of view is that those that were duped (i was for years) don't really have themselves to blame, not really. it was a big, semi-convincing conspiracy. the only price to pay is the illusion that the government is your friend. not to say some governments might not be friendly, but the bush and obama administrations are not among them.
but the best part is, no prole (and we are all proles unless you knew beforehand) is being paid to keep believing!!! it's not like it's anyone's football team or paycheck or ebt card or rich uncle. no. the devils that did this didn't spread the wealth around one iota. just terror, death and destruction.
this is a long war but it can be won. it will be an easier argument to make when most assets are down by half or two-thirds and even the government's unemployment rate is in double digits. it is the only apparent route to significant change.
The Canadian rock band Rush had a line in a song from back in the 80's that sure seems prophetic now.
"The most endangered species, the honest man..."
Kick ass song, but was close to 9 minutes long, so never got radio air time and only hardcore fans have ever heard it.
Nuland and Yellen were sitting on a park bench, when a pervert walked by and flashed them,
Nuland had a stroke but Yellen couldn't reach.
Wait - isn't she famous for the quote: "Fuck the EU!"??
That link appears to have been removed.
Dimon, Blankfein and Nudelmonster are on "The List."
Robert Kagan is next.
Well, hell. I can't find the Nuland article anywhere.
The links point to the front page which is regularly updated. Things went very silent after the initial breaking news when the State horse broke his leg. The same would apply with spades if the nudel monster was seriously ill. If she has had a stroke she will be out of action for probably at least a month in the best case. If she is seen in public fairly soon, then the story can be discounted. Unless the person turns out to be a body double - the evil Saddam hjad one so why not other evil people.
Thinking about it, I rmember all sorts of speculation about Putin when he disappeared from the spotlight a while ago - he's dead, he's attending the birth of his love child, etc. Maybe this is the Russians reverse trolling. If so, it is a nice move, keep stirring the pot.
We crossed posts, HowdyDoody. Are you contending that there was such an article on BBC? Think very carefully before you answer that - I know what changes by the minute on BBCs site without regards to crawlers or robots.txt
Yes, I am really eager to know. Couldn't find anything about this.
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It was polonium 210
You just made this up. Nothing to be found regarding Nuland's stroke. What is your purpose?
Very convenient.
Her time before the jury might be getting closer to answer for her crimes agaiinst humanity.
She won't either be able to speak or remember anything.
Hey Cooter,
just did a search, not sure if they're reliable sources but these may be correct:
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-syria/
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/if-assad-asks-china-can-deploy-troops-to-syria/
Cheers
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-personnel-expected-...
Almasdar news is saying Chinese troops arrive in Syria in 6 weeks. Couldn't get link to work properly but the story is out there.
Out of curiosity I googled "China Syria", this is what I got.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-syria/
Perhaps, he did some research and prefers others to do their own?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chinese+syria
Sure they will come. After the cleanup. China and Russia split work.
If no surces then Publicus = Pubicus.
Funny thing is, the Russians are not 'politically correct' so when a raghead sniper shoots at them from a building, the building ceases to exist. Unlike what our poor soldiers are required to do which is contact Washington DC and ask for permission to shoot inferior 5.56 back at them.
Unless it was the US Senator's office. Then the whole city BLOCK would dissapear on orders.
Can't have the elite in harms way now.
The only reason the US would join Russia is so the Russians don't destroy all the CIA assets. I hope the Russians go it alone... although without controling the borders with Turkey and Iraq, it can become a quagmire. With border control, the CIA asset that is ISIS is toast.
I'm hoping Putin uses restraint, captures the weapons of these 'barbarians', and lays them out for the whole World to see.
'Made in the U.S.A.'
Several recent documentaries about Bush/Barry Iraq War/MENA Wars all show the soldiers complaing about their weapons jamming or crappy ammo.
Sounds like someone high up simply doesn't care.
The high-ups only care about the high-ups.
Once you see that, everything starts to fall into place.
For the MIC, 'weapons jamming and crappy ammo' is good news. They will have to supply more weapons and ammo, which means more profit.
"Sounds like someone high up simply doesn't care."
Mebbe they higher ups were concerned their "assets" might be damaged. After all, it is only American cannon fodder gettin killed.
Larry McDonald gave this interview in May 1983 on a programme called Crossfire, with Tom Braden and Pat Buchanan. Larry was killed just a few months later when the 747 he was travelling in was shot down by the Russians/Soviets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqmgH9R97Ak
I couldn't stand that Tom Braden. I thought he was a dyed in the wool liberal. What I didn't realize then is he was a CFR cheer boy and that the Birchers were right about their plan. Look where we are today and how fuckin' wonderful it is. So, wonderful the TPTB have got to be shaking their heads at their master cluster fuck of a piece.
so funny bitches
"Why is it assumed that "Assad must go"?"
King Obammy doesn't like him.
The time has come for the US to compel Putin to toe the line. The Langley people ought to dig up some dirt or make insinuations that Putin has had a boob job etc
If that don't work, we'll have to use the ultimate weapon in Amerika's arsenal, we gotta send the Nuland to straddle Putin's face.
what if Vlad accidentally takes out US personnel who are where we said they weren't doing what we said they wouldn't do? That would really stir up the old hornet's nest....or, would the CIA bury that story?
I can imagine the mother's being interviewed now. "I didn't even know my son was in Syria", "why did the Russian's kill my son!", "He's not a terrorist"
I can imagine the mother's being interviewed now. "I didn't even know my son was in Syria", "why did the Russian's kill my son!", "He's not a terrorist"
No Anti you won't hear anything about it in the MSM when they get thumped by Russian rocket(s) or have there throats cut in the middle of raping Syrian women because they will all go into a pit like this "unnamed" where he and several hundred other American Xi employees reside in Donbass!
Don't ya know?.... U.S. troops have been "off the books" since 2011! You sign your life away before you deploy to destinations unknown and they don't bring their "dog tags" with them!!
Besides... Who the fuck wants to reclaim American scum from those lands after what we've done?!!!
If they need to say anything to the family, they will say something like, unfortunately he died in a high speed car wreck on the autobahn. That's how SAS does it.
I do think you are correct....and for the record (if zh has aa record :) ) My comment wasn't to say that I "hope"any americans troops would be harmed in any way. That is never good...I only meant what I said, that it would muddy the whole game of deception we are playing over there if American's started dying as a result of it.....and now that I think about it, they probably already are dying...and that too is unfortunate.
Anti
When will American soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen consult this handy guide that tells them what their conduct must be when rules of engagement are present in a war zone that discloses the punishment(s) involved for those that violate the oath and responsibilities they take to it in the cases of rape, torture, theft and murder?
To my point?...
1 pfc Manning down 2,182,130 to go!!!
PFC Manning has a sex change, whats up with that, no respect for the dude chick... no matter how much data he released.... still funny though
PFC Manning has a sex change, whats up with that, no respect for the dude chick... no matter how much data he released....
No respect for the dude chick that was the only one that "went by the book" while his chain of command above him looked the other way and threw him in prison going on 8 years while pieces of shit like this got honorable discharges and our system continues to release gang bangers and hardened criminals into "uniform" while the rest of them are on PTSD meds for "brain injury" because of what they've done or ended it quietly in the basement for what they became...
Russia will have a field day!...
If it is likely to be a long assignment or 'dirty', the SAS resign before leaving allowing them to be considered independent individuals outside government control.
This might be an instance of what happens when things then go wrong.
"Syria death reported of ex-British marine fighting alongside Kurds"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31720274
"Rod of God" appears to be in action given China explosion. If we see it again in Syria, consider it confirmed.
Surely this is all a bad dream.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the Russians, Iranians, and Assad are the good guys in this case. WTF?!
It's not so much that they're the good guys - it's more that the US/UK/Saudis/Turks/Israelis are the bad guys, having decided to flood Syria with nutjob mercenaries in order to {pick your conspiracy theories - some of which overlap nicely}
- weaken Russia and/or Iran;
- prevent the planned Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline {the ink was still wet when the "protests" began, which, as in Kiev, was initially probably largely legit and domestic and swiftly appropriated by ZATO
- for Qatari gas pipelines {because there were no other routes, and this is the best way to get a pipeline through - flood a place with weapons and angry young men.
What's that saying - the hardest thing in the world is to get someone to see the truth when their salary depends on not seeing it.
Probably there are seveeral motivations for each of the actors here - but the net result is that the US and its allies have literally supported the worst of the worst terrorists and actively lied about it to the American people, AFTEr trying to lie them into a war based on a failed false flag attack {see Hersh's "Who's Sarin?}
But the conspiracy theory which is basically never discussed, is Israel's long-standing plans to Balkanize [and terrorize] its neighbors - for lebensraum and to a {the?} superpower...
of course, it has an army of paid trolls who will frame every aggression as "defense" and Israel like the US deals largely in deception and dirty tricks - one can only guess how many harmless rockets Israel has fired into its empty fields over the years to justify another genocidal assault.
The Oded Yinon plan became the PNAC line of plans. Some of the same authors and their friends, Zionist Jewish chickenhawk dual citizens, were able to set up their own agency in the pentagon to fabricate evidence to lie us into Iraq.
The same people are working hard to lie us into Syria and Iran.
If you only could read 3 things to understand Iran/Syria:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory
And if you could read 4 things:
https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/
Means, motive, opportunity, benefits - and a mountain of white papers by Zionist scum all advocating for exactly what ISIS is doing. If you think it's a coincidence - your homework is to read all you can about The Balfour Declaration and 'why' Britain made this agreement, and what it had to do with US entry into WW1.
Careful with that Qatari pipeline stuff. Can result in serious blowback from certain resident posters.
With Russia in the saddle in Syria, Assad or a like-minded leader will prevail. Basically, that means no Quatari (or Israeli, for that matter) gas will EVER transit Syria. Qatar has also permanently screwed themselves out of a Northern route through Iraq because the Iraqis would never let Qatari gas trasit their country.
Qatar is screwed just like Israel - everyone they need for pipelines hates them.
Fuck them, and the camels they rode in on.
This entire debacle originates from Qatar and getting gas from their North Dome offshore gas field to the European market.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope Russia digs into Syria for 30 years and bleeds the Qatari's reserves dry before they can ever hope to get their gas to market in Europe.
Qosher Qatari Sheikh.
Caught on tape racing in a LaFerrari and Porsche running stop signs in residential neighborhood in Beverly Hills was a member of the Qatari royal family. When the cops showed up he claimed diplomatic immunity.
Indy journalist tried to interview him and the Sheikh Boy said "I could have you killed and get away with it." Journalist said "In America we can film from the sidewalk" Sheikh said "Fuck America" and threw a cigarette at him.
Next day he was packed up and gone from the house that rents for $45,000 per month. Now the cops say he has no diplomatic immunity.
Daddy O' musta been pissed making the Qatari look like like thugs in public.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-beverly-hills-ferrari-race-q...
flood a place with weapons and angry young men.
Wash, rinse, repeat...thanks to MI6/CIA/Mossad.
Yep, that was the western syria strategy. The next step would be for Obama to turn down Putin's "offer" to gang up on ISIS.
Then ISIS will ACCIDENTALLY capture a warehouse full of US air defense missiles. Ooops... again -- we forgot to lock/guard the weapons depot and those bad terrists got patriot missles. So sorry if Russian planes get shot down.
Strange that Israeli planes won't get shot down. Those terrists are just bad shots.
lots of good info here at this website.........
http://justice4germans.com/
you have been insulated your whole life - welcome to reality based US criminal activity
always been there - now obvious
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the Russians, Iranians, and Assad are the good guys in this case. WTF?!
Yeah NB you're American and you and me and everyone else that comes from this place are the pond scum of all creation!.
And this only helps to reinforce that fact!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre
https://abumubarak.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/american-soldiers-raping-mus...
http://www.izlesem.org/aeuramerican-soldiers-raping-an-iraqi-family-s-wo...
Look at the contradiction, in this case an explicit lie, in this section from Wiki on Falujah - "The March–April 2005 online Field Artillery magazine has confirmed the use of WP (white phosphorus) in so-called "shake 'n bake" attacks, so the use of white phosphorus is substantiated by US Army sources only for screening and psychological effects: "WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with [high explosives (HE)]. We fired "shake and bake" missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out." [P.26]"
"so the use of white phosphorus is substantiated by US Army sources only for screening and psychological effects:"? Huh? Only psychological? I don't think so.
Shake and Bake, described in more detail in the last sentence - "using WP to flush them out" is using chemical weapons to flush the Falujah defenders out of entrenched positions. Yes, putting a chemical fire in your lungs will get most people running and screaming out of their entrenched positions. Is that having a psycological effect? I bet it does, but it is still an illegal attack using chemical weapons.
Wiki sucks.
cb
My apologies. You are correct in your observations which is why this documentary took more than a year to be released by the Italian journalist who's body guard was shot to death at an American checkpoint in Iraq attempting to protect her from being killed because they knew who she was and what truth she was attempting to get out to the public!
Every American should be forced to watch this just as the Germans were paraded in front of the "concentration camps" at the end of WWII.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/
No worries SoCN. I'll watch it too.
"I still can't wrap my head around the fact that the Russians, Iranians, and Assad are the good guys in this case. WTF?!"
Wadda yer mean by dat ?
Gott mit uns. We got de Fed and the Banksters on our side and we're doin God's work, unnerstan !
At least one can wake up from a bad dream. This nightmare is a willful creation of our leaders.
If only.
No more phony Rita Katz green screen ISIS beheading videos.
No more phony ISIS commanders who end up being younger z-Americans or others who had bar mitzvahs
I think this was all known on the ground and ISIS was allowed to flee to Europe.
The Europeans need to ship em back and the Germans need to lynch Merkel.
This should never have been allowed to happen. Either people in the state dept. are doing this to make Obama look bad and/or they are truly inept.
Obama lookS BAD are you fuckin for real dipshit go back to CNNNNNNN
Does this mean Obama will have to sound the retreat to all destabilizing CIA/MIC assets in Syria...?
I fucking think so.
Where will he send the newly unemployed next, Europe, Mexico border?
Yes, agree fully! ISIS was never going to be seriously degraded by USA, Washington wants ISIS to do their foreign policy work in the Middle East and to promote the mass migrations soon to tear Europe apart. USA not only destroys Middle East Nations, I now believe they intend to destroy Europe and a potential economic rival. The war fever on Russia and the Migrant crisis both were set off by the USA. This is proven by evidence.
So there you have it. Russia knows US will not take down ISIS, we all know it too, we who read ZH. Obama and his Bush team are using Islamic terror as a vital tool in US policy to destroy any nation not in the US camp fully. But yes, even Europe is now untrusted and under attack via migrants. Migrants set on their paths by US policy. Libya was the key, once USA destroyed Libya, the flood gates of migrants began. Turkey opened the borders on US orders to grow the flows. Three major channels of Migration are now open, the USA opened each one in it's turn.
CIA started Al-Qaeda. Saudi and CIA started ISIS.
Don't forget the Taliban, who were financed and equiped by the CIA to fight against the Soviet Union.
the Mujahideen came first trained by bill casey [cia] and pakistan's army & isi.
once the russian were defeated the ussa left [~1991] and there was a power vacuum. the ussa didn't give a fuck and that's when obl became active. Bush #41 became president, and as an oil`president'man w no what happened in the coming years. pakistan's get a go-ahead-free-card-to build-up its nuclear program after reagan gave em a free hand needing pakistan's strategic help to defeat the soviets.
mullah omar was now the taliban. he created it in kandahar. there only adversary was massoud of the northern front [a tajik]. omar wouldn't give up obl. massoud would have killed him but the pak's isi killed him first or even the ussa collaborated with the isi? the pakistan gov't protected obl throughout the late 80's and 90's, and unto his death, as the pakistan have harbored the al Qaeda ever since.
you, i, or no-one will ever know who actually killed massoud!
as i've said, #41 bush was in... an cheney was his_____!
the taliban was paid and bought for by pakistan to hold control over the entire country of afghanistan. pak's got money from the ussa, saudi's, and various [ngo?] arab foundations.
today the taliban still control the border and all of afghanistan with pakistan pulling the strings. they train the afghan's and illiterate pak's to fight jihad in kashmir, and in the me. The pak's use the taliban as a private army to bring afghanistan when they're not behaving the way the isi/army want them to. It's big joke knowing that the taliban can cross over the border between afpak without no problems, whereas pak's army is non-existent border, other than saying they are. if anyone of a pale skin ventures into the war zone he's dead!!!
http://terrorism.about.com/od/m/g/Mujahideen.htm
http://tribune.com.pk/story/962474/official-says-afghanistan-taliban-fleeing-pakistan/
Note: Pakistan is now bying its new designed airforce from the Russian's, while India is flipping into the USSA sphere of influence, buying their fighter jets. A polar flip!?! WTF
Ps. Worth-a-note: China is concern about Xinjiang`muslim Uyghurs and how Pakistan can ease the problems coming from India's hindu's...?
From what I have read India was going to buy 120 Rafale fighters from France, they reduced that number to 20 or so and accepted an offer for SU-30 aircrafts from Russia, if I remember correctly those SU things will be produced in India (like it's done in China), they will never get such an offer from any NATO state , not mentioning much lower price.
Just for you because I know you will appreciate this:
http://www.rt.com/usa/272470-obama-training-isis-slip/Europe is the next Syria.
Embedded western special forces would be colateral damage. Oh dear.
You mean like these guys?
British SAS Special Forces “Dressed Up as ISIS Rebels” Fighting Assad in Syria.
Putin is playing Chess and Obamaboo is playing with blocks...and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Obama is out of his league with Putin...just about every "Western," leader is. Like him or hate him, I think Putin is overall good for Russia. Hopefully this will stem the tide of refugees into Europe. Merkel has already selfie'd with the refugees, I'm worried she'll bed down with them next in "solidarity."
"Putin is playing Chess and Obamaboo is playing with blocks...and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole."
That will show up Putin. Hah, nobody can be as smart as a genuine 24k Community Organizer !
"Creating terrorist groups to destabilize humanity has some bad karma, I'd think."
and that is a new development, let me remember: Nicaragua, Chile, Cuba, Afghanistan....
"let me remember: Nicaragua, Chile, Cuba, Afghanistan...."
Don't forget what they did to Egypt. And Hosni Mubarak thought he was an American ally. So who financed the NGOs in Egypt ?
Fully agree of course, just wondering how .gov is going to spin it's way out of this. Some serious marketeers placed on the issue I assume. My guess, put some US servicemen (somehow) on the front line and have them killed by russian planes to justify counter action. Kinda basic plan, I know, but has worked quite well in the past century.
Anybody other ideas?
"Anybody other ideas?"
Well..........., how about we threaten to send Mr Janet Yellen to help Russia's economy ?
that would trigger a nuclear first strike by the ruskies for sure! (and rightly so, of course)
Love it. Putin gets to bomb US interests and to retaliate
... and mean whilst ... our very famous "killing americans without due process is a rough vocation, but somebody's gotta do it', de Prezz Daaa da de da daaa da de da de da' and wannabe, but to sissified, pimp, and our amazing and very morer famous, disbarred (for corruption in Illinois) first duo (ever notice a bunch of skinny guys have elephant thigh wives) , currently plugging up de potties in de big white house, the rest of us are comping Mr Roto Rooter to undo the first duo's doody doo, is frolicking `bout a Quick Stop parking lot in a tattered sequin gown, wearing his best Joan Crawford "Fuck Me Quick Pumps" like a fist be down dat freshly flushed worm hole where de sun don't shine, crooning, " ... eight inches or less ... pleeze ..." and intermittent babbledegooks like "... " ... wish someone would strike me ..." and ".. gimme some 'hard' english baaaabeee ... " and listening to "Barbie Barbie Lets Go Party" on de i-Idiot gadget as de SS and DHS be dragging an' bagging any lost in the Zen of it all unfortunate having the bad luck of de draw to pull in for a quick snag of an orange pack of 'American Spirit's' and de 1 dollar lotto ticket.
Keep your heads low and eyes on the horizon. Skynets on an de kill drones be a flying.
(i think i just broke my own longest sentence record - ever - cool - i'm gonna score for sure)
Lesson: Humanity is a plethora of off the bell curve behaviors an' some people jus wanna be a stuck pig - no matter what. If i didn't owe my ancestors and children, i'd be skedaddling off to Cuba - dis place be a cartoon dat rerun over and over and over ... infinty.
Word for your mudder: "This is OUR land from sea to shining sea". Never forget that.
Trapped somewhere between nothingness and eternity and looking for de way out like de rest of you.
... and thats why i don't do two shows a night ... i jus won't ... i won't .. err .. how much you say you pay .. hmmmmm ... errrr ... maybe ... errrr ... will dat be in canadian dollars? ... hmmmmm ...
@Buckaroo Banzai
Hahaha...
that's the best today
Somebody has to save Europe from the US
http://thesaker.is/the-serbian-demographic-crisis/
Putin bombs ISIS and destroys them and the US will have to creat a new Acronym
The only thing I don't understand is what took the Russians so long to intervene.
DC had to get fully committed.
Was thinking about the same. indeed need full .gov commitment AND explosive european refugee problem. quite certain european govs cannot refuse any help against isis now that their countries are swamped with real and economic refugees. Probably also zome effect from the possible/potential us-iran deal over the past months.
historically the russians are not know for their rapid interventions anyway.
"Putin bombs ISIS and destroys them and the US will have to creat a new Acronym"
It stops when the new acronym refuses to take dollars.
my weak attempt of being funny: how about ISG (Islamic Slate of Glass)
Its all Red White and fuckin Blue.
I cannot handle this micro-aggression. I need a hug and a cuddly doll.
Will a spiderman towel suffice?
lol. You are showing you have been around a while following the action. The spiderman towel still makes me laugh.
...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP3mXVRd89Y
You're welcome.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRUwVbATnk8
Great link (Rakshas). Thank you. I can't believe that's the first I've heard (seen) of #syriangirl. She knows her shit, and her delivery ain't too bad either;)
The dickheads running our country could learn a thing or two from her. I did.
"I'm out!!" ~ Kramer
thx
LMAO knuckles... those poor "micro-aggression" bastards are worse then the worst hippies ever.
What, in fuck's name is a micro aggression??
Keep seeing the term.
I guess it is one millionth of a standard aggression.
Can't seem to find the definition of a standard aggression, metric or imperial.
Can someone help me out here?
Thanks to its war experiences in Afghanistan, the Russian military has more experience fighting jihadist war criminals than anyone else. Putin intends to follow a scorched earth policy with ISIS, forcing its merc forces to leave Syria. The next stop for these rapists, thieves, torturers and degenerates: the good old USA, paroled here by Secretary of State John Kerry.
Beg to differ. No matter what else you may say about the US military, its combined years of combat experience among the active duty force as well as reserve and National Guard has never been so high. That also means a large number of troops have been trained on the most current combat gear and do not need 90 days of stateside training before they are able to deploy and be operationally capable.
This is not an argument in favor of deployment. It's a counter to the assertion that Russian troops have any superiority in combat simply due to experience. Afghanistan? Any Russian there on active duty is surely at or near retirement by now.
We'll give the rooskies a little credit for Chechnya.
But you hit the nail on the head about the US military with its "combined years of combat experience". That's the problem!
In Afghanistan, the Soviet Union fought against the whole world, led by the United States. In Afghanistan, no one helped the Soviet Union.
You're right, the USSR could not win the war against the entire world in Afghanistan.
But the United States has a different story of defeat in the war in Afghanistan.
In Afghanistan, in alliance with the US, fought the whole world. In Afghanistan, the United States fought only against the people of Afghanistan, without any external allies on the side of the people of Afghanistan, including Russia.
And the United States, in alliance with the world, could not win the war in one country - in Afghanistan.
This is called "Feel the difference".
Yep, and that's why the 2nd Amendment is completely worthless is the day of fighter jets and tanks.
/sarc
Again, a show of ignorance, the US has won its objectives in Afghanistan; to secure the poppy fields for global drug control and distribution & profits; they are doing just fine with bumper-crops year after year. Through Montenegro, to Turkey and throughout the world. It is processed by the US Mercenaries in Turkey.
Al-CIAda and ISIS is the bogeyman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEm4YLfd7eM (Here it from the Karzai)
Afghanistan.....
Where empires go to die!
The US Military sold out American citizens. They did nothing to stop the invasion and destruction of America.
They helped to make sure it happened; they are as guilty as the people they serve, the Banking-Corporate elite and ignorance is no excuse; it is the very reason most doe in their sins and will face eternal judgment and ignorance is not the excuse; stupidity is.
Most US military brass are statist PC goobermint drones.
"they are as guilty as the people they serve, the Banking-Corporate elite"
Haven't you heard - Ve ver only following orders.
US does not have any land army. The United States has only a force of military police, but did not land army. To be able to carry out cleaning of areas of weak enemy, after air strikes, this is one. But to be able to fight well against a strong land army without air supremacy, it is quite another.
You simply confusing two different things:
1. Ability to well-bombing unarmed enemy from a safe distance.
2. The ability to fight well in the conditions of daily mass loss of US soldiers, tanks, aircraft and military equipment.
The United States have never been able to fight against a strong land army, without 100% air supremacy.
silvermail "US does not have any land army"
Have you ever heard of national guard armories, military bases in the USA and military transport aircraft?
We are probably 72 hours away from having a land army.
The gov already has 100% air supremacy over all of the USA.
Do you think that the National Guard - a regular land army, and not the military police force?
Show me any one division of the US National Guard, which can continue to fight after the death of 20% of personnel, from artillery fire and missile and bomb enemy fire?
Russia - this is not Afghanistan or even Vietnam. Russia has the opportunity to close the skies over Syria, for any United States Air Force and NATO.
Russia has an opportunity make in Syria no-fly zone for the United States and all NATO countries.
Russia has the ability to sink all US carriers for 43 minutes only.
And also Russia has an opportunity to turn the whole territory of the United States into the lunar surface in 30 minutes.