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Endgame: Putin Plans To Strike ISIS With Or Without The U.S.
On Sunday, we noted that Washington’s strategy in Syria has now officially unravelled.
John Kerry, speaking from London following talks with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, essentially admitted over the weekend that Russia’s move to bolster the Assad regime at Latakia effectively means that the timing of Assad’s exit is now completely indeterminate. Here’s how we summed up the situation:
Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington’s bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn’t about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them. The genius of that move is that if Washington does indeed coordinate its efforts to fight ISIS with Moscow, the US will be fighting to stabilize the very regime it sought to oust.
Revelations (which surprised no one but the Pentagon apparently) that Moscow is coordinating its efforts in Syria with Tehran only serve to reinforce the contention that Assad isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, and the US will either be forced to aid in the effort to destroy the very same Sunni extremists that it in some cases worked very hard to support, or else admit that countering Russia and supporting Washington’s regional allies in their efforts to remove Assad takes precedence over eliminating ISIS. Because the latter option is untenable for obvious reasons, Washington has a very real problem on its hands - and Vladimir Putin just made it worse.
As Bloomberg reports, The Kremlin is prepared to launch unilateral strikes against ISIS targets if the US is unwilling to cooperate. Here’s more:
President Vladimir Putin, determined to strengthen Russia’s only military outpost in the Middle East, is preparing to launch unilateral airstrikes against Islamic State from inside Syria if the U.S. rejects his proposal to join forces, two people familiar with the matter said.
Putin’s preferred course of action, though, is for America and its allies to agree to coordinate their campaign against the terrorist group with Russia, Iran and the Syrian army, which the Obama administration has so far resisted, according to a person close to the Kremlin and an adviser to the Defense Ministry in Moscow.
Russian diplomacy has shifted into overdrive as Putin seeks to avoid the collapse of the embattled regime of Bashar al-Assad, a longtime ally who’s fighting both a 4 1/2 year civil war and Sunni extremists under the banner of Islamic State. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew to Moscow for talks with Putin on Monday, followed by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday.
Putin’s proposal, which Russia has communicated to the U.S., calls for a “parallel track” of joint military action accompanied by a political transition away from Assad, a key U.S. demand, according to a third person. The initiative will be the centerpiece of Putin’s one-day trip to New York for the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 28, which may include talks with President Barack Obama.
“Russia is hoping common sense will prevail and Obama takes Putin’s outstretched hand,” said Elena Suponina, a senior Middle East analyst at the Institute of Strategic Studies, which advises the Kremlin. “But Putin will act anyway if this doesn’t happen.”
And that, as they say, it that. Checkmate.
The four-year effort to oust Assad by first supporting and then tolerating the rise of Sunni extremists (presaged in a leaked diplomatic cable) has failed and the Kremlin has officially served a burn notice on a former CIA “strategic asset.”
There are two things to note here.
First, Russia of course is fully aware that the US has never had any intention of eradicating ISIS completely. As recently as last week, Moscow’s allies in Tehran specifically accused Washington of pursuing nothing more than a containment policy as it relates to ISIS, as allowing the group to continue to operate in Syria ensures that the Assad regime remains under pressure.
Second, even if Russia does agree to some manner of managed transition away from Assad, you can be absolutely sure that Moscow is not going to risk the lives of its soldiers (not to mention its international reputation) only to have the US dictate what Syria’s new government looks like and indeed, Tehran will have absolutely nothing of a regime that doesn’t perpetuate the existing Mid-East balance of power which depends upon Syria not falling to the West. Additionally - and this is also critical - Russia will of course be keen on ensuring that whoever comes after Assad looks after Russia’s interests at its naval base at Tartus. This means that even if the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are forced to publicly support a managed transition, Washington, Riyadh, and Doha will privately be extremely disappointed with the outcome which begs the following question: what will be the next strategy to oust Assad and will it be accompanied by something even worse than a four-year-old bloody civil war and the creation of a band of black flag-waving militants bent on re-establishing a medieval caliphate?
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Putin the Great
He is one cagey SOB!
The russians will first bomb oil refineries i think, cutting into ISIS revenues. Those are really easy targets, should be done long time ago by anyone who have true intentions to stop these madmen.
Why not seize them and start exporting gasoline?
See how long ISIS can last in the desert without aircover, (unlike when US fights them), I'm guessing 1 week from campaign onset and ISIS is history, a speedbump in the daily news.
Other web sites have been saying that ISIS has been getting air cover by the US Air Force and also US drones.
Yep.
That will have to stop as soon as Russian planes take over the skies. Either that, or the US will have to abandon all deceit and attack Russian troops directly. Since that won't happen, ISIS will lose their supply lines and be a sitting duck to Syrian forces.
You get some Vlad. No rules of engagement. Kill everything ISIS that moves. Start at the Mosques and work your way out.
These troublemakers ought to cooperate, build both pipelines, share the costs and each party gets a fair cut of all the proceeds, as shareholders.
I'm sick of the melodrama and general mayhem over one side taking all the marbles.
Share the lousy marbles.
I bet Putin would negotiate some sort of deal. He's smart.
RuSIS tho
Why is this even news? NO way Russia moved all that shit to Syria just to sit around and stroke themselves.
Of course, joke could be on us. Have a massive, planned accident. "Oh, we're at war, markets are crashing" or some stupid bullshit. You can't trust these motherfuckers for anything. Best you can do is somehow attempt to stay clear and keep from getting killed in whatever crazy ass plans these deuchbags have. I really hate this planet more and more every goddamn day.
Something tells me "rules of engagement" doesn't have a direct translation into Russian.
The Russians are going to play for keeps, they want to keep Syria as an ally, their base on the Med, and Western pipes out of there. The Rooskies didn't have the resources, besides covert ones, 15-20 years ago to fight the West in the Mideast. Now they do. Back then, it was Russian arms dealers supplying bad people in that part of the world, now that Russia is strong enough militarily and politically.
This is just the first salvo which will prove to the world that the U.S. is no longer the big dog.
We can thank the zionists, H. Clinton, the bankers, and the energy co's for all of this. The U.S. should have left Saddam Hussein alone in the 90's, when regular gas was $.99 a gallon, and U.S. foreign policy should have been more active regarding human rights in the Mooslim world, rather than being the cum rag TPTB wipe themselves with, every time they 'need' the U.S. to do their dirty work.
Putin is merely calling the West's bluff, showing everybody the red line stuff was a load of shit.
Russia has not done anything. Not fired a shot.
It is ridiculas how the Putin fan club now talks about how Putin will kill everyone, will level any building a shot is fired from and kill all the innocent families to hopefully get one person. So now everyone are claiming Putin is as bad or worse than the western military, and they claim this to be a positive trait.
be sure and wipe the neocon jizm off your cheeks
Sooooo, you got assigned this site, what, 2 weeks ago?
ISIS are US "soldiers". Attacking ISIS is same as attacking USA.
It is obvious USA won't attack their our ppl they funded.
I don't think you understand bifurcation, and to the extent the USG is bifurcated. A civil war has been going on in the USG and intel communities for some time. It has mostly been conducted underground. It's about to come above the surface. Now you can resume your popcorn making ..
I hope you don't think there are any good guys in this fight on either side who actually support the American people and The Constitution.
One of the biggest coverups of all time?
No, that's Ukraine (for now.)
Popcorn popping.
The net is closing around the neck of Obola and his CIA/Pentagon/British/NATO cronies and the world is waking up to the truth that Washington/Westminster & Co are the world's most dangerous terrorists. No wonder Western .govs refuse any definition of the term.
If Putin's gamble comes off and he smashes the ISIS loons, his global credibility will soar. I hope he takes advantage of it with good PR men.
Cameron and Obama exposed as ISIS commanders. I love it!
The bullshit piled up so fast in [the War on Terror] Vietnam you needed wings to stay above it.
That would be good to see.
In fact if Russia simply cuts off supply lines to ISIS they will scatter like ants.
Obama sacrifices a pawn, but cannot take rook else check.
Re Nudelman, see, there is a God!
Maybe, maybe not. But to bomb them where it hurts, that will be in Southern Turkey and Jordan. Also "direct action" ops need to be executed at the major financial operations centers. These are NOT in the ME. They are not even in Europe. They're in -- TEXAS!
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobo...
Tylers, you're looking for cutting-edge stories on the heart of the matter? You're looking in the wrong places ..
We can all wonder what would this have to do with monetary RESET. Well, when you have a paradigm shift, this is what it looks like. A commenter asked why the House of Rothschild has never seemed targeted by a sniper team. Well, we just want to give them more rope to -- hang themselves. Call it poetic justice via the Julian Gallows. If you like ..
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp
* This would certainly be interesting developments. I live within earshot of the ExxonMobile campus in The Woodlands. They could simply call a fire drill to evacuate the premise. Discover/stage a bomb threat/drill. Force the execs into their safe-rooms. Take them down from there. Relatively a piece of cake. Now if these perps have their own PMCs, things would get further interesting. Some real fire-fights might ensue ..
Washington's got an hair on their tongue now and can't get it off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6CGBNODaY
American assets?????
Oh, man. We’re hit. Get out of the cities.
wasn't zh proclaiming last month that assad was about to be toppled by the usa?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/end-draws-near-syrias-assad-put...
State Department Trolls who haunt ZH are really pissing in their pants over Putin taking his forces out to destroy an ISIS the USA refuses to attack seriously, because ISIS is a foreign policy tool of Neocon Washington. Trolls are forced to try and tell us why Russia killing ISIS cunts is bad. Bad that these fucking animals finally will be faced down and killed like the dogs they are. USA refused to fight them, Russia will, with Syrian Arab Army and Hezbollah, and Iranian guards troops. Fuck you ISIS! You are about to meet real fighters, not US drones that hit you once a month for CNN to cover, and then drop supplies to the rest of the month. Just as Iraqi parliament members say their military has seen. British and US aircraft dropping supplies right onto ISIS forces.
The Pope told Big O it's OK to sacrifice the sheep. The MIC is going against Russia!
Remember Stinger missiles showing up in the hands of Afghan rebels during the Soviet occupation? Expect similar in Syria.
Langley will borrow from Brzezinski's old Afghanistan playbook. Mark my words. This time, however, Russia will call it out.
"The Archer" from Red Storm Rising.
Wasn't there surface to air missles "stollen" in Bengazi?
It's another proxy war. Civillian deaths and infrastructure destruction while the big boys duke it out. Very sad.
I thought Obama's strategy was to create enough chaos in Syria to flood Europe with Muslims?
http://southfront.org/chinese-military-personnel-expected-to-arrive-in-s...
Putin should tread very carefully on this one. If you think western Europe has a Muslim problem, acquaint yourself with Russia's Muslim population, it is HUGE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sjnU_YFR8
You seem to have swallowed the 'Muslims are the problem' bullshit.
The psychopaths playing stupid games with the future of humanity are the problem.
Putin is one of them - a shrewd player in 'the Great Game' but still one of the psychopaths.
Government is the problem, can't be the solution.
Countries are bullshit, artificial constructs.
No government - now war.
Anarchism is the only way forward for humanity.
You seem to have fallen for the anarchist lie bullshit. That is an extremist position that only trailer trash would fall for. Anarchy doesn't exist except in failed states like Libya, Iraq and the like. Even they are in transition. Anarchy is a vacuum. Something ALWAYS fills that vacuum. Guns and Roses says so.
Please provide just one example of that every working anywhere. Anarchy as a successful state model is fiction.
Wow, thanks for the vid
However, Russia is not like the US.
They don't have the messsy press to muddle things up.
If they want to bring the hammer, they just do it.
They must have a use for these folks, or they would not be there.
In the spirtit of good will and cooperation with our NATO Ally Circa Madeleine Albright, we should be joining hands with the Russians in this effort, no?
ISIS, ISIL, or IS, whatever is the word of the day or Al-CIAda, if you will, are founded, funded, and trained by the Pentagon; do you see the dilemma?
http://www.rt.com/usa/272470-obama-training-isis-slip/
What a Pentagon dilemma; fighting the US founded, funded and trained ISIS. Putin knows this and what will the Pentagon do? WAR!
In case you have any doubts; listen to your your King Obama in his own words.
http://www.rt.com/usa/272470-obama-training-isis-slip/
I don't think he gives a sheeit about the Skinny. Excellent chance for Puti to stick it to the CIA. Never thought I would applaud the Russians but.............then again......never thought this country would devolve into Obamanation either.
+ 99! .... Devolution bitchez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jadvt7CbH1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-2onb62y8
History repeats. As when US policy in Cambodia installed puppet Lon Nol, leading to Pol Pot murders, then Vietnam hsd seen enough and liberated the Cambodian people after hundreds of thousands of refugees fled to camps in Thailand.
So the bad actor (USA) is constant, with Syria as poor Cambodia and the stalwart Viets are played by Russia.
Aussie stooges stood with Washington until the bitter end in the SE Asian conflict, so expect them as a side show as Obama fails. Any Aussies here care to speculate on what ignominious path your govt will follow here?
OZ will back Obama! They are wedded to the USA after the British Royal Navy collapsed in the 50's. Now they are married to the US Navy as their great protector in Asia. Sort of like the Jews. In the 20-40's Jews ruled London to serve Israel's creation. When UK fell, the Jews jumped to USA in a matter of weeks, and now rule Washington to serve greater Israel.
OZ being small population in a region of mass populations, feel they need the sole naval super power as protector. Once it was motehr England, now mother USA!
So OZ backs Washington no matter what the fuck happens.
Pretty much Jack.
There is no choice here, our military is far too small to stand alone, even with nukes, and an air force and navy twice the size of now, it would still be completely welded to the US Alliance (like, what jets and weapons would we buy? Russian? Chinese? no chance, we wouldn't want them, and even the European stuff's really not good enough, we need a fully integrated defence network and that means using US systems).
It's why they can trust us to not ever screw them. They tried to make sure we would not field our own nukes, because they know the US can not be a full-blown global naval and air superpower without Australia holding the center between Indian and Pacific basins. One way or another, they would have to make sure Australia stayed in the US fold. So no, the US-Australia alliance should be taken as a given. We can't trust anyone else to not just screw us. And the US knows that at the first sign of being screwed by the US, Australia would go nuclear faster than anyone would think possible. So the US has to play to Australia's interests as well, to keep it all sweet.
And it is too.
Until it doesn't.
Jews followed the Romans around too, like Mary had a little lamb.
Spot on Jack. Just as dominated as the Yanks and by the same team. Aussie PMs will lick the POTUS balls until the US collapses, then the gutless wonders will turn to the next biggest muscle on the block.
Sickening. Can't stand Australian politics - weasels to man - every last one fo them.
Have we always been at war with Eurasia?
Plutocracy/Oligarchy 2016
Go long rebar and concrete. Sorry, just don't have a date on that but some "folks" do.
maybe the russians can blow up all our vehicles that we can't, um, repo.
the russians don't have those pesky rules of engagement, will have favorable non-inquisitive press coverage, and won't have saturday night live making jokes about them.
whats not to like? we should have asked them to pitch in years ago. oh and all those russian soldiers resigning rather than go to syria - don't dig in to why that would be please.
If Turkey France and Brittan arent freaking out
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im cool
Ask Cankles, she will know the solution for sure!
To eliminate your enemy, hit them in their sleep. And if you can't do that, hit them with Slavic Thunder.
Better yet, put on a show for the audience and hit ISIS with a few 9K720 Iskanders.
Agreed. My understanding is that Russia is the world's premier source of missiles and rocket engines, to the point that US aerospace companies are dependent on Russian-made rocket engines for their projects. https://newworldorderg20.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/u-s-orbital-sciences-orders-russian-rd-181-engines-for-antares-rocket/
Apart from the mindless obligatory "checkmate" reference that is mandated for all ZH Putin articles, there is one interesting tidbit in here that utterly belies the theory of "checkmate" and actually sounds very Monty Hall-ish.
Putin's "parallel track" proposal is a simple Great Power "Let's Make A Deal" thing. So long as we get to keep our bases in Syria, we will consent to feeding Assad to the dogs slowly. That's THEIR proposal, as stated by this article.
What's holding this up?
1) Deciding upon a mutually-acceptable puppet successor.
2) Deciding upon who gets what piece of the action in the trans-Syria pipeline arena.
The article actually suggests that Russia (and probably Tehran) would wish to play a central role in deciding who replaces Assad, thereby preventing another Washington/CIA/Westminster/Brussels & Co puppet like we have in the Ukraine.
MORE than that. Putin has the Syrian coastline now. He has the ports. Before, they were a "port of call". Now he controls them ... they are his permanent turf. It's a KEEPER. Just like Crimea. He is gaining strategic territory. This is not random.
always a big pleasure to downvote you, nasty little shill.
My, what an empty life you lead, but here's another opportunity for you to find happiness.
oh and IM sure you lead a life ot total satisfaction, shilling and brownnosisng for your jew masters.
Better a shill than a Putin Halekon.
Nice to see you girls fess up and fly in formation for a change, you and TinkerBell.
Own it Halekon or lover of more likely.
That's assuming Putin would trust the Zios at their word. He'd be a fuckwitt if he did.
If they do decide to negotiate he should lead them on like they do the Palestinians. About time someone started treating them like a pack of bitches again.
I can't wait to see the US investment in time, money, arms and training wiped out before our very eyes by Russian forces.
The joke that was the "Red Line" has turned from comedy to tragedy.
PUTIN is probably targeting high-value Chechen leaders within ISIS. Chechens are amongst the most numerous of the foreign fighters inside ISIS. So Russia has a motive for going after these people. But Putin has a lot of other goals as well. Assad will be stabilized now, which changes the course of events.
Horse crap. Putin's going to strike his johnson with his left hand.
this all means US will soon be instigating the false flag even it's been keeping on the back burner in Northern Europe, among its lackies Lituania or Latvia or Estonia and blaming Russia for it. Just you all watch. I have spoken. I just wish it is not true but WWII is gonna start very soon. Oh well, been a good life.
Good, let Russia do it if it is that big of a problem. I want to see how that goes.
You go Vlad. The corporatists controlling the White House are out of their realm. They started this shit. You fight for every bit of ground that matters to "your" survival. It's your backyard anyway. Destroy the fuckers. We're eventually toast anyway. Spending illicit $ for illicit means. We the people didn't do this. Just remember that.
The Old Man
"Putin Plans To Strike ISIS With Or Without The U.S."
I am new here - please explain, is this good or bad ???
We’re gonna find out if ISIS is indeed an authentic Muslim Terror state or an Israeli/U.S. puppet state.
"Duck & Cover"
RIO BRAVO My Rifle, My Pony, and Me/Cindy - Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson and Walter Brennan (legendado)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ssbgThljU
ISIS is suspected to be a CIA/Mossad creation, hence why Israel is not concerned about THEM acquiring weapons, so I guess we will actually find out now.
Vlad the impaler, busy impaling, eats his popcorn, and then goes sailing
I guess the Russians are "Putin" a serious military plan on the table...
Maybe we should support Bush.... Yeah... He'll keep us safe, like pets.
Expect a serious move against Russia in the coming weeks or months, like a mass protest or some market driven event
A mass protest, huh.
I’m thinking, like an abused wife, the American people are gonna be punched in the face.
9-11 was a dotted eye.
Ukraine killed off the color revolution scam. They already did what they could about Russian markets to little or no effect.
Re. America, what could they do now, via false-flag that could possibly be believed??
Thermonuclear chess, the last game you will ever see.
This is not an interview anyone is likely to like (I thought it was disgusting) but here's Martin Indyk, putting the Jewish Washington view point and proposals on ABC Lateline, last night.
I'm putting it in this thread because, you'll not believe what this stupid scumbag said (see video):
Interview: Martin Indyk, Vice President and Director for foreign policy at the Brookings Institution
Excepts from the transcript:
He made two big points/proposals, firstly this:
Then went on to say this:
[In other words, they want to force ISIS to go West into Aleppo and Damascus to destroy Syria completely to get at Assad, Iranians and force a Russian evacuation under fire.]
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Can you believe that shit?
That went to air last night on Australian TV, and was broadcast several times as repeats during the night.
Now I've watched some of the Al-Nusrah videos on the net and those bastards are at least as violent, cruel, and vicious as ISIS, there is really no difference between them that I can see. I think they are in fact the same organization as ISIS with a different branch name only.
And Indyk wants them to be Western 'allies' to defeat ISIS and destroy Syria to get at Assad and eliminate Russian and Iranian influence.
Frankly, I think Indyk should be formally banned from Australia after his remarks last night, he's clearly an Islamic terrorism sympathizer and enabler. He should be banned from the USA as well, and put on a Jet to Israel, and told to never come back.
But more over, his advice, to just let Assad and Russia lose, means somewhere near >15 million people must go through more years of even more extreme violence in the interim. For Indyk, that's just tough luck for Syrians. And that in a nutshell is the whole problem of listening to Jewish zionists talking about the Middle east, in Western countries.
They are all genocidal psychopaths, and they have no shame at all about it.
No to hell with that, we need to wipe out ISIS and Al-Nusra, completely, and any other armed scum in Syria that is fighting the people of the State of Syria. As that is the only way the right people will get killed and the most people will be spared the horrors to come, from here.
But if Putin is going to go it alone with Iran and SA, don't expect this to end soon, the Washington Jewish lobby are absolutely committed to eliminating Assad and Russia to get rid of Iranian influence.
It appears the people of Syria are in for the chop now, they are the meat to be hacked through by maniacs to get rid of Iranian influence.
Ya Sure
Do you know your words?
"Well, ya see, the thing is, I normally don't have to carry the load in that direction as the pootie trolls and numerous pootie sycophants are all over attacking the west, already. So I tend to just peruse passively and correct their excesses and inaccuracies. Never been a one for collective action or narratives though, so I generally let them rabbit-on. If they just start talking lies and shit though, I call them on it, no need for that, reality is enough.
You see, I don't so much as care for the critique of sides, as to eliminate the dementors and liars, who seek to damage the minds of people to polarize them, with lies and propaganda. I'm really just not going to stand for that crap. From Putin, or Putin's trolls, or from Obama, or from western lie agencies, or its media.
That's what I concern myself with. So don't expect it to be what you concern yourself with - it won't be.
Whereas, going back the other way, to combat the RT crap and other Russian 'sources', I do have to take a much more active and aggressive stance, to push past the bullshitters, deniers and pootie trolls. Who are the dementors of people's minds - btw.
You can see the asymmetry involved, I'm sure.
So not like you're going to see a Krakatoa out of me, I go after people like you, avid polarized ones, and trolls, with the unwelcome facts of their positions and claims, more than anything else.
Get me now? I'll keep this little explanation handy, in case you need it explained to you again, at a later date.
toodle-pip!"
Whanger
Shutup you pathetic little troll idiot-fuck, I wrote those words in a thread just a few hours ago, so yes I think I know my own fucking words DICKHEAD.
Is that a theory?
Check your bias and learn what the former ambassador's insights represent.
1. He speaks from a Western diplomatic mindset; Europe and the US. These high level bureaucrats speak to one another, write papers in their profession journals; it's a fairly small circle of professional and private connections.
2. What was the bottom line? That at this point in this horrific civil war that's had dozens of groups form as foregin fighters made their way into Syria, mostly via Lebanon and Turkey are now all Jihadis and the best the West can envision is Al Nursa formally breaking w/ AQ? Absolute bullshit.
Al Nursa is the main force of Jihadists, and did in fact formerly break w/ AQ and claimed to represent the Caliphate. Al Baghdadi denied that Mullah Omar was the leader of the Caliphate as claimed by AQ back in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Al Nursa is now going to be the 'moderate' element when compared to AQ, when just weeks ago western media and western politicians were hailing AQ 'moderate' when compared to Al Nursra (ISIS).
There are no options for the US/Europe in Syria. They lost any chance of supporting non jihadists back in 2011 like the FSA. Th US in particular stood on the sidelines during those critical years of 2010 and 2011. They were out gunned by the Jihadists and were either killed, left the area or folded their personnel into ISIS/Nusra.
Iran has had forces within Syria for quite some time, and now Russian forces are there to save the Baathis if they can. There's not now much of Syria left in the control of the Syrian military. Russia had port privileges in Syria for decades; all the way back to the 1970's.
The best for the Russian, Syrian, and Iranian gov'ts is obviously saving the Baathis w/ or w/o Assad. If ISIS/ISL whatever, manage to survive in a partitioned state, Assad could survive, but a much diminished source of power. The only possible benefit for the Israelis is if Hezzbullah and ISIS continue to fight. I read that over 1,000 Hezzbullah troops had died fighting ISIS, and also announced that they, Hezzbullah, would no longer directly engage fighters engaging the Syrian gov't.
The US/West isn't the cause of the civil war in Syria. US is responsible to some degree for inviting the Iranians into Iraq to support their now governing Shia brothers. The Sunnis teamed up with AQ to force out the Shia from central gov't power, or for the Sunni (Baathist) to re-assume some measure power lost. Iraq's and Syria's slide into chaos happened for different reasons even though both Assad and Saddam headed the Baath Party in their respective nations.
Thanks, but no thanks. There is no need to reproduce the Zionist perspective here. Its all over the MSM 24x7 for anyone that's interested. And that goes for element and his Martin Indyke too.
What is your prospective? You have an obvious agenda to call it a Zionist perspective. What's all over the MSM? The US/West have zero horsepower in the Syrian civil war. Even the air war... the number and nature of sorties flown is laughably tiny and seem to be relegated to bombing pickups and the like. I just have to wonder why the US/NATO is even bothering, except to make the claim that they've not been marginalized. The Turks were supporting ISIS militarily and allowing safe haven until the Kurdish resistance became too problematic and suddenly the Turks are going allow NATO to used their bases after denying their use since 2003, and now the Turks use their sudden disdain (Cover) for ISIS to prosecute a war against the Kurds.
It just happens to be the self-evident truth. You are spewing the Zionist perspective. You deny this?
Wait.
The general testifying to Congress jus last week stated that we had spent $500 millions training insurgents but due to the leader of the trainees having joined alqueda, the 4 or 5 other trainees were now on hold while they elect a new leader.
No horsepower but it's a start!
Just not interested in your pathological justification. It is not new to me, I'm very familiar with such pragmatism as policy scripting.
Who do you think you're kidding? The West has been supporting training and arming the militia maniacs from the very beginning. You want us to pretend it's all a recent unfortunate development and that therefore a pragmatic choice is necessary to make the best of a bad situation.
Total crock. The US and Turkey and Saudi Arabia produced this situation.
The only thing the West has been doing is to beat it back away from central Iraq, and try to push it back towards the real target, the Syrian Army and Shia Hezbollah.
Completely psychopathic rubbish. We have a whole range of options and you want to pretend we don't. Fuck you! You would have us all turn the Western military services into high tech versions of ISIS? ... or maybe the IDF is what you had in mind?
You should be on the end of a rope pal, you are at a minimum a latent war-criminal.
Sick fuck.
the Pentagon papers proved USA is directly responsible for the creating, arming and using ISIS. look 'em up. The Israelies are airlifting wounded ISIS solders and carign for them in Israely hospitals. Ali QUeada is as much USA creation as ISIS is. Even Hillary admited it in a clip on YOuteb. you need serious edication.
Don't bother trying to rationalize these boneheads. I've been around here for years and it's only getting worse with the NeoNazi ZOG propaganda bullshit in the comments sections. These fuckheads are still spouting that same line of crap that has been spouted since the Dark Ages when Catholics were blaming Jews for poisioning the wells starting the black plague, then following it up with a healthy dose taken straight out of the pages of Mein Kampf. The news is solid, and the Tylers are quicker on the draw than most anywhere else, but the comments have turned into a cesspool of hate not seen since the late 1980s in the Pacific Northwest.
The US should join Russia in attacking radical Islamic factions before it gets way out of control. Europe is being flooded with those from the middle east and is turning into a basket case.
yogibear:The US should join Russia in attacking radical Islamic factions before it gets way out of control.
We (the US) are too busy funding them and training them through third party proxies like Jordan and Turkey to actually attack them in earnest. US does not want to defeat them, US wants to keep Mid East as well as Russia mired in conflict.
That is how we spread Freedums and Demonocracy.
I guess you did not read the memo.......
As a peace offereing to the Left-Handers and CAIR rectum snooters: I don't want to know how many here practice or are sympathic to the Bacha Bazi of you or your heroes. xxoo
https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=https://info.publicintelligen...
That Israeli F-16 killed in Syria two weeks ago ...
Does it have to do with Netanyahu visit Putin?
Putin is with air force and intelligence, Iran with boots on the ground.
God, how I wanted to be there and write here.
I'm like that crazy movie watching in 2012 Yellonstone explode!
Iisis (Daesh) will die like flies (like the CIA, Mossad and trained guys ...).
Note this down on paper.
hehe.
Why would the Obama administration order strikes against its own forces (Isis)?
Not correct:
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As of 4:59 p.m. EDT Sept. 15, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of
6,863 airstrikes (4,328 Iraq / 2,535 Syria).
U.S. has 5,358 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria (2,949 Iraq / 2,409 Syria)
Coalition has 1,505 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria (1,379 Iraq /126 Syria)
The countries that have participated in the airstrikes [along with the US that is] include:
In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Canada, (3) Denmark, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, and (7) UK
In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) Jordan, (5) Saudi Arabia, (6) Turkey and (7) UAE
Source: US DoD
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Allies have done 5.2% of the attacks, and the US has done all the rest.
So the US is striking ISIS. They are trying to use ISIS against Assad via driving them from the eastern desert area towards Western Syria, via making it much harder for them to survive, organise and operate in the east. Thus putting massive and growing pressure on Assad and pending collapse of the SA military, which has now lead to Russian intervention.
At least the zios are keeping score.
That's how USA economy works ..... long military campaign to keep mic running .
DOD can make up any number they want. Who says they're accurate?
This was the premise:
US and allied strikes are occurring, it just isn't trying to wipe them out. In time it may get serious, but probably not before Syria's cities have already fallen to a collective network of maniacs and they're doing things to 15 million people that make Pol Pot look like a total piker, with all of the remaining captured Syrian weapon stores.
Putin is not there to snuff out one of "Fundamental Islams faction" stop the refugees and stabilize the Middle East.
If that were the case he would get stomp Hezbollah, Iran's terrorist organization that has destroyed much of Lebanon etc
Russia is there for a foothold in this world power struggle being played out in the ME
After all, many many years ago it is written that Russia, Magog, would be drawn with hooks into this area.
Make a compact with Persia, Iran and various other nations.
We are here folks, the last days.
Wake up and smell the roses.
What you thought was a myth will be your nightmare!
Man you can't debate w/ these Left Handers there or them posting here. They only understand force.
This is what the Goebbels-Mohammedans dream of when they aren't JewKillin
https://youtu.be/FpqqaNvR_iQ
You are right. The Russians intend to stay in Syria.
But they are also there for target shooting.
And they are very welcome there.
you know nothing about hezbollah.
otherwise, please detail evidence your magog claim....
EunuchObama will reply with clapping hands.
Clap clap clap
Let's call it checkmate when ISIS has been reduced to rubble. And then see what will happen next. But I wonder what Brzezenski thinks of how this (his) game is unfolding.
The fight of our time is over who is going to control Eurasia as part of that bigger sphere extending from Western Europe to Vladivostok.
Who is Putin-Xi
Wars and bombs create only more hate against people, but we all know this one is needed. Despite I do not like russian mentality, I have to admit Vlad i a stong leader and this is a smart decision. Eventually he will lean how to play this game against Zionists and when that happen we are all fucked. Not because of him but because of the other side which will force him to do crazy stuff so they can put all blame on someone else...
I'd like to see the angle they use to "force him to do crazy stuff".
Just saying Putin's as cunning as a shithouse rat and has a fuckload of resources behind him.
I'd say he'd be pretty damn hard to coerce, regardless of whether it's the Zios trying to or otherwise.
"Ron Paul Rages: Do not blame America, interventional Neocon the blame for the Syrian catastrophe"
Uai!
It is democracy?
Each and every North American voter is responsible for his government.
In Brazil, all North American that appears with poor face, rub in the face a little democracy.
Saying "it was not me, I was my government" is cowardice!
I ask him: You did not vote?
The guy says no, there Caicus and couscous etc ..
Cum!
I dont understand!
In Brazil voting is compulsory and who votes has no right to run for public office and stuff.
No, I do not understand democracy that impinge on the US.
You preach one thing the rest of the world and make shit indoors.
I will continue to undo Americans citizens in Brazil.
Or you assume that you are a united and cohesive nation or, fuck them.
Putin in spanish means little fagget
But isn't Putin a Pushtun convert and thats why the Chechens hate him so much? ;0
Takes a scum bag bitch like you to know.
Russia elite don't care about Russian soldiers. They lie them even now. Majority soldiers are not aware they are being send to Syria. Those who understand that demand that it's done in proper official way or refuses to die in Syria just to protect Russia elite from losing gas client EU.
I read yesterday how some of the Russian troops are refusing to fight or go to Syria. I just wish Merikan troops would do the same.
must be watching fox ..m because Russian troops are there on request by Syria to help them being an ally unlike USA .
Source please?
I don't believe you.
Well, if you where looking for putin regime propaganda chanels to report that Russian soldiers refuse to go to Syria - you will be disapointed :D
otherwise: here
You think the USA gives a crap about its soldiers? Most are idiots.
"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976
For ZH "Checkmate" was also this:
Hey hey enjoy your 7th short stay here jobless baltic
How did you become such a scum bag douche?
If he's a Zio, it's genetic.
“Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother”
Martin van Creveld, a former professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and a world-leading
But actually he does a great service by sharing his thoughts about what ‘mad dog’ Israeli might do next.writer on military matters, has made many enemies with his seemingly outrageous views.
In a September 2003 interview in Elsevier (the Dutch weekly) Van Creveld said: “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”
IS is about to become WAS.
Whoever or whatever coalition exterminates these cock...roaches, good on them and break a leg!
Hey, IS, we beheading right at you!
fuck zionists
Re Putin To Strike Isis...
ZIO-Axis UiSiSA & IsIsrael squealing like two stuck pigs on a spit.
ISIS is USIS.
Stuff them Mr Putin.
ISIS and all the alphabet soup anti-Assad fighting opposition. Special forces and embeds better keep their heads down.
After that, all points South to the sands of Arabia.
Today Syria, tomorrow MENA.
Go Putin.
It's bye bye ISIS, meaning the USA must act really fast now to divert the attention of the world: either in Northern Europe creating a false flag event in Lituania, Latvia or Estonia and blaming Russia for it, or another "terrorist attack" somewhere in USA. Or they might stear trouble between N and S Koreas. Or a Chinese plane might get clipped just like it happneed yesterday. Things are gonna get very very nasty very soon indeed. USA is ALL OVER the globe actively creating chaos in at least 6 places at the moment.
We need a fully integrated defence network and that means using US systems . Well there are countries having such systems outside USA like Russia and their jets have always twisted usaf knickers.
ISIS will use civilians as human shield. So as Russia elite will bomb ISIS they will kill Syrian civilians. So from then when killed baby pictures are shown - you know that putin did it.
Ever hear of Dresden? The USA/UK bombed Dresden which had no military significance and killed over 25,000 civilians overnight. Firebombing.
So just fuck off you NAZI Latvian bastard!!!!!
Putin justifies the USSR collaboration with the Nazis.Hey fucktard ''newsoutlet''. The USA has killed well over 10 million innocent people around the globe since 1960.
So if Russia does it its wrong? But if the USA/NATO does it its ''right''?
Why do Latvians celebrate NAZIS??
Considering how much you simply spout off that same line of Nazi bullshit that Hitler utilized so well almost a century ago, one could ask you the same thing.
"Oh noooooes.. the J00s are to blame for everything. The J00s poisoned the wells. The J00s replaced my coffee with Decaf. The J00s control the government. The J00s are hiding in my closet." Laughable.
Message , just because your Russian boyfriend dumped you for another man, you simply hate Russians.
And I'd love to meet the Jewish kid who whipped your ass on the playground back in the day. Pot meet Kettle.
You need to quit your day job and go work for the Associated Press.
In case you didn't know, they are the propaganda arm of the U.S. government.