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Paul Craig Roberts: Democracy Has Departed The West
Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,
Before the West spreads democracy abroad maybe it could get some for itself. The US is an oligarchy in which government is answerable to six powerful private interest groups. In Europe governments are answerable to the EU, Washington, and private bankers and not to their peoples. In the UK the military brass has declared its hold on the reins of power.
Jeremy Corbyn is the first Labourite to lead the Labour Party in a long time. Considering the stupidity and immorality of the Tories, Corbyn could become prime minister of Britain. Should this occur, Corbyn would shift the budget priorities away from supporting Washington’s wars toward refurbishing the social welfare state that made life for ordinary Britishers more secure and less stressful.
A senior serving general of the British army said that the army would not allow the people to “put a maverick in charge of the country’s security. The Army just wouldn’t stand for it and would use whatever means possible, fair or foul, to prevent that.”
In other words, a democratic outcome unacceptable to the English military will be overthrown. Just like in Egypt.
Here we have the incongruity of Washington and London bringing democracy to others through what Vladimir Putin calls “airstrike democracy,” while tolerating a democracy deficit themselves. The safest conclusion is that democracy is a cloak for an aggressive agenda, not a value in itself to the US and UK elites, who rule and who intend to continue to rule these countries for their personal benefit.
Jonathan Cook reports that the use of “whatever means possible, fair or foul,” against Labour prime ministers who actually stood for the people rather than for the elites is not unique to Corbyn. Labour Prime Minister Harald Wilson faced similar pressure and resigned.
As far as I can tell, not only has democracy departed the Western world, but also compassion, empathy for others, morality, integrity, respect for truth, justice, faithfulness, and self-respect. Western civilization has become a hollow shell. There is nothing left but greed and coercion and the threat of coercion. When I read—hopefully incorrect reports—that Russia’s President Putin desires to be a partner of the West, I wonder why such a powerful country, which has emerged into light out of darkness, wants to be Satan’s partner. I assume that the reports are untrue or that Putin is acting in the interest of humankind to defuse the dangerous situation created by Washington and its NATO sock puppets.
Russia should not forget the courageous speech that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez gave to the UN on September 20, 2006. Standing at the podium, Chavez said that on the previous day George W. Bush stood here, “Satan himself, speaking as if he owned the world. You can still smell the sulfur.” The purpose of America, Chavez said, is “to preserve the pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.”
Chavez’s words were too much truth for US politicians. Nancy Pelosi, the multimillionaire Speaker of the US House of Representatives, said that such a speech was to be expected from an “everyday thug.”
Elsewhere the response was different. Rafael Correa, currently President of Ecuador, said that Chavez had insulted Satan, because although Satan is evil like Washington, he is al least intelligent, and Washington is completely stupid.
The Western World is on its last legs. Unemployment is horrendous for European and American youth—primarily for the educated. Young American women, driven by student debt, advertise on Internet sites for “sugar daddies” to whom they will supply sex for financial support. The easy answer—“education is the solution”— is a lie. Ph.Ds cannot get jobs, because university budgets are cut in order to save money for wars and bank bailouts and 75% of the remaining budget is used by administrations to pay themselves large salaries and perks. NYU, for example, provides its higher administrative personnel with expensive summer homes. University presidents in America have multimillion dollar incomes, while the students drown in debt.
The Wall Street Mentality—unlimited Greed—has taken over American life, and this greed has been exported to Europe, which had achieved a sharing relationship between labor and capital. Today Europe, like the US, is an opportunity wasteland for the young. Greece has been sacrificed for the private bankers, and Italy, Spain, and Portugal are waiting in the wings. In the place of independent European countries, a fascist centralized authority is rising.
As millions of refugees from Washington and its NATO enablers’ wars seek refuge in Europe, budgets for social welfare are further pressed.
In recent years we have witnessed that private bankers acting through the EU were able to appoint the governments of the allegedly democratic governments of Greece and Italy.
In the Western World the aristocracy of wealth is being re-established. If Russia and China join this “partnership,” then billions of peoples will be ruled by a handful of mega-rich elites.
The world is on the knife edge. The West is lost. Russia and China could go down with the West, because both Russia and China suffered tyranny and look to the West for the paths to freedom and liberty. But Western paths lead to “domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.”
Will Russia and China participate in the pillage, or will they resist it, standing firm for humanity?
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This is written as if there is anything other than "The Western World".
The culture of a "Type 1" civilization emerging on planet earth will most likely be one that resembles western culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
So the Muzzies probably won't pull it off?
Party like its 799.
Mission Control Zambia. Center of the African Space Program.
Still waiting for some breakthroughs to come out of China. 1.3 to 1.6 Billion, a quarter probably PHD level edumacation. And no great breakthroughs other than how to hack our shit?
India. A country full of our telephone operators. Other than the ones that come here, and work for 30%.
US has never been a "Democracy", so it's not even an argument.
By sheer numerical advangtage the Chinese could increase the average population of intelligence high enough for them to surpass us. This is how intelliegence works within a population. It takes several generations for this to work though. They have done it before though, like 3000 years ago. Back when they had emperors and it took the whole region to support that caste though. With the way they are going, we might see it again within the next few decades.
yadda yadda yadda.
question: are we ruled by exceptionally evil people that care nothing for the well being of the lower 99%?
question: do you like this or would you chance making a change?
answer: likely the only way to beat these people, the worst parts of the u.s. government, the transnational corporations, the zionists and probably organized crime and some others unknown, is through 9-11. it's by far the biggest, most evil, and most provably poorly executed blunder by these "folks".
it is not yesterday's news. there is no statute of limitations on treason or murder. the day will be won mind by mind. do your part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA.
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
PCR if you're reading the comments section please write something about how money is created in the modern economy and your thoughts on how it needs to be changed if you can...
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/...
Allowing sociopathic bankers to create the nations money supply as debt out of thin air for the purposes of blowing successive self-enriching bubbles in markets like housing/real estate, commodities, stocks and bonds rather than in productive enterprises that can create jobs has proven to be simply insane.
Never read you discussing this very important issue... Thanks!
They don't care who makes a country's laws, they have the currency supply.
Without GOD and CHRIST mankind sure can make a mess of things real quick. All of that knowledge and technology aren't much help when its mixed in with no fear of GOD, corruption, greed, abortion, false idols and lack of love for one another. But in the mess, lives are changing. 6 million muslims convert to Christianity each year in Africa. Maybe when they learned that the Quoran describes "allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents." (S 3:54) they decide they want truth not deceit...The UN Summit that starts tomorrow will be another attempt at man's solutions to the world. But we already know how that's going to turn out,right?
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/duck/dd193.html
I don't understand PCR's seemingly naive faith in the governments of Russia and China. I see no saints there. I see no leadership there out of the moral vaccuum we face.
Agree on the problem, but Russia and China? Seriously?
The "Republic" is dead... not democracy. Roberts is right on a lot of things, but he NEVER names who exactly the "mega-rich" are... and he KNOWS who started us on this path of destruction. He KNOWS from which philosophical and religious well they spring.
Agreed Herr Bach. Until the West once again recognizes that its enemy is both culturally motivated and ethnically based it will not be able to even begin to arrest its slow decline into oblivion.
The ancient Greeks penned the term varvari. Modern English translation is barbarian ie cultural alien.
It is the infiltration into positions of power and sway of barbarians throughout the West, along with their encouraging of criminals to act as our leaders that has brought us low.
Resist these total enemies with every fibre of your being.
It's not just our lives at stake, but all Western lives, for all time to come.
Credit was always money and it always comes out of "thin air". Even in times when metals were used to settle debts, productive people didn't starve because they didn't have the metals in their possession. They ran a credit account with the local grocer for their purchases and settled their debts in the metals when they received the metals as a compensation for their productive labour. In those instances, the credit was provided by the merchant who had faith in the ability of the borrower to eventually settle the debt in metals.
Modern banks act as intermediaries between the productive individuals/entities and the sellers of goods and services by issuing credit, created out of "thin air" and the bank credit being accepted as a final settlement of debt. That some of them are abusing this power to issue the instruments of settling debt doesn't invalidate the very mechanism used. Nations of greedy, psychopathic individuals tend to elevate greedy psychopaths to positions of power, including the sphere of money creation.
cuneiform being used by the scribes (accountants) to denote quantity of stored crops so credits could be issued to transfer ownership with out removing the (physical) grain from storage----3000 BC---who would of thunk it---- just a heads up ---
Wrong Global Observer; the credit creation in the past was always a private affair between the bank and those people who agreed to take the bank's papar as payment. If the people holding the banks paper felt the bank was acting recklessly (loaning new privately issued money recklessly), they could go to the bank and force the exchange by law of the banks paper into gold. The bank could comply or go BANKRUPT !!!
When the private bank went BANKRUPT, the bankers lost their personal assets or heads or both.
Today the government enforces EVERYBODY to take the banks credit money as payment for goods and services and the banks got the government make legal the banks creation of credit money with ESSENTIALLY NO LIMIT regarding their assets or gold reserves, allowing a 30 FOLD GEARING or more. No bank goes bankrupt today; the government collects its taxes in the bankers private money or it's agents will seize assets and/or throw citizens in jail. The banks in a country all issue the same money so that deposits can be multiplied into even more loans of course.
Banks today never lose, because they issue loans out of thin air to pay for goods made by the hard work of the people. Because the interest increased daily but the money issued never grows, the debts exponentially grow largeer than the amount of money created and then the banks refuse to roll over loans, or issue new loans, so that prices collapse and the debts are foreclosed on with the bank grabbing all the collateral that they didn't spend one ounce of sweat creating.
Kill the connectno between the private banks and our goverment and you would return to the old way of banking. The government would be smaller as it could not receive a guaranteed handouts from the private banks to operate it's war machine (operated or the private banks interest anyway) and tremendous perks and control/spying on the people.
Excellent points, maxwellsdemon.
Those were also the deeper reasons for how and why "democracy" died. After that has already happened, as manifested by the points made in the article above, it has become politically impossible to fix those problems that governments ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks.
I agreed with your statements about the nature of the essential problem:
However, there are no practical ways to stop that from happening, without suffering through the consequences of the runway debt insanities (since "the debts exponentially grow"), without that then provoking death insanities. Indeed, the ONLY ways that the banksters have prepared for their pyramid schemes to collapse are to continue to back up their debt slavery with wars based on deceits, as well as prepare to impose democidal martial law.
ALL OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS ARE CONNECTED BECAUSE THE SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS CONVERGE AT THEIR TOP, IN THE PYRAMIDION PEOPLE. The two most significant current events are the refugee crises, and the actions of the central banks, particularly the Federal Reserve Bank, as the single most significant of the National Central Banks, that has the most international effects. All of those events are tied together by being driven by the international bankers' agenda.
Rant Double Feature: Refugee Soup & Fed WafflesAt 8:16 mark of that 10 minute audio:
That is certainly correct, as far as the public presentations of those kinds of "political" problems. However, my view is that the pyramidion people are well aware of that, and therefore, their covert actions to start more genocidal wars, as well as preparations to impose democidal martial law. The ONLY solutions to the problems that arise AFTER there has been allowed to develop gross overshooting, due to exponential growth, which was based upon strip-mining the planet's natural resources, are some sorts of "Die Off." Given how UNBALANCED things have already become, the reasonable debates are not about stopping that, but of the limits of that, due to the directing of that.
Human artificial selection systems were driven to develop in the ways that they have by natural selection pressures. Indeed, human intelligence itself can be perceived as the internalization of natural selection. However, the intraspecies competitions between different groups of human beings were the most important natural selection pressures, that human intelligence applied itself to, through the history of warfare, whose successes were based upon deceits. That then became the current systems where governments ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, which were fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, or debt engine treadmills, that drove the runaway strip-mining of the planet, through the ways that civilization was controlled by integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Those sorts of socially successful ENFORCED FRAUDS were the result of triumphant applications of the methods of organized crime, applied through the political processes, whose excessive successfulness resulted in civilization manifesting runaway criminal insanities, with overall tendencies towards civilization committing collective suicide.
The relationships between human artificial selection systems, within natural selection systems, are quite the hyper-complicated feedback loops. Those are especially complicated due to the paradoxical ways that the existing debt control systems became based upon the maximum possible frauds, which also includes that the layers of controlled opposition around that core of organized crime stay within the same deceitful frame of reference. The deceitful death control continued to back up the debt controls, so that the civilization was controlled by governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, while everyone who enjoyed relative social success WITHIN those financial frauds were relatively the best available professional liars, and immaculate hypocrites.
Overall, civilization has developed artificial selection systems which were necessarily based upon their death control systems being done through the maximum possible deceits, while the various controlled opposition groups developed to also promote the same sets of profoundly deceitful attitudes towards the issues of the human death control systems. That can be understood as sets of "consistent contradictions," since those developed due to natural selection pressures driving human artificial selection systems to become what they are today, which is primarily globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs.
Social successfulness based upon governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks, around which grew up the various corporations that depended upon that kind of public "money" supply, drove everyone who was socially successful within those systems to develop attitudes of deliberate ignorance towards the principle of the conservation of energy, while simultaneously deliberately misunderstanding the concept of entropy in the most absurdly backward ways.
The social pyramid systems were always based upon relatively small groups of people who specialized in being dishonest and violent, which controlled much larger groups that therefore adapted to become ignorant and afraid. The pyramidion people in those systems, I believe, are well-aware of the impending problems of diminishing returns from being able to continue to strip-mine the planet at an exponential rate. Of course, they do not publicly admit that. However, their actions indicate that they are preparing to respond to those problems in their ways, which are through much more genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law. Indeed, those are the only things that they appear to have actually prepared to do!
Meanwhile, it continues to be politically impossible to do anything better than that. While there are an abundance of creative alternatives which are theoretically possible, such alternatives can not be integrated without alternative death control systems becoming their central core, as the keystone of any such arch of alternatives being built, or the lynch pin that holds together those alternatives into an overall functional system.
At the present time, the layers of controlled opposition groups are just as much part of those problems as are the core organized crime groups. While I seen no reasonable hopes for the finite futures that are most probably foreseeable, I can continue to hold on to transcendental hopes, supporting irrational hopes, because of the ways that human artificial selection systems were actually driven to develop in the ways that they did by the infinitely greater natural selection pressures that surrounded them, and indeed, made and maintained those human systems. The principle of the conservation of energy will not stop working, despite human beings tending to deliberately ignore that, and deliberately misunderstand that as much as humanly possible, due to the ways that the most socially successful actual murder systems were based upon deceits and treacheries, that then upheld the actual financial systems which were based upon frauds and tricks.
The back-up systems continue to natural selection. However, I find that too many people tend to indulge in regarding the relationships between natural selection and artificial selection as being DUALITIES, so that they perceive there to be some false fundamental dichotomies in those respects, which then enable them to promote bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals, through mechanisms which are absurdly backwards. On the contrary, I promote the view that we should start to use more UNITARY MECHANISMS to perceive our problems, which then generates sets of more realistic resolutions to the real problems, which tend to almost always end up being the opposite to those promoted by the core groups of organized crime, and their surrounding layers of controlled opposition.
We are headed towards the debt slavery systems having generated numbers which have become debt insanities, which are going to provoke death insanities. The fundamentally fraudulent accounting systems based on private banks making the public "money" supplies out of nothing as debts has "paid" to strip-mine the planet, in ways that relentlessly, ruthlessly and recklessly privatized the profits, while socializing the losses. The vicious spirals of the POLITICAL FUNDING respected the privatized profits, while disregarded the socialized losses. The accumulating consequences are that the overall socialized losses are becoming far greater than the previously privatized profits.
Although the ruling classes have no ways to public discuss those problems intelligibly, since that would require admitting and addressing how and why they had made and maintained fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, personally, I do NOT believe that those pyramidion people do NOT know that, or are privately "in complete denial." Rather, I believe that they are covertly working towards their kinds of "solutions" to those problems, which are their efforts to wage much more genocidal wars, as well as impose democidal martial law. Furthermore, I do not agree with the controlled opposition groups, that tend to somewhat reveal those social facts, but to never promote their ideas for what could be better death control systems, instead of those which the ruling classes are operating.
In my view, the universe is already perfect, in the sense that energy is already being conserved. Indeed, the conservation of energy is what makes all general energy systems be intelligible, to the degree that those can be understood by human minds. Human artificial selection systems can be understood as the development of artificial selection systems, driven by natural selection pressures. However, those human systems are INTENSELY PARADOXICAL, and full of consistent contradictions, because they were necessarily based upon the principles and methods of organized crime, because their death control systems were necessarily central to everything else, including that those death controls backed up the debt controls. Human artificial selection systems were driven by natural selection pressures, through the history of warfare, within which was political economy, that became based upon the maximum possible frauds.
In my view, the biggest political problems we face are due to the ways that there is almost nothing but core groups of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, both of which stay within the same frame of reference regarding the actual existing systems operating through governments ENFORCING FRAUDS by privately controlled banks. Since there is almost no publicly significant opposition that was not also being controlled, by having adapted to survive within those established systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS, there is practically no publicly significant opposition which presents better death controls, to back up better debt controls, which is what it would actually take for human artificial selection systems to develop in ways that continued to adapt to natural selection pressures (i.e., the diminishing returns from being able to continue to strip-mine the resources of a finite planet.)
After we face that our problems have become globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs, there are no other realistic resolutions to those real problems than to continue to go through series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which apply to political science in general, and to the combined money/murder systems in particular. The ruling classes ARE preparing for the future when the consequences of OVERSHOOTING become more and more obvious. Their preparations are to provoke death insanities. However, the only realistic alternatives would be to develop better death controls systems. Of course, at the present time, that appears to be politically impossible, due to there being almost nothing which is publicly significant than controlled opposition groups, who continue to rely upon DUALITIES, expressed as false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals, which cause them to promote bogus "solutions" which have their mechanisms BACKWARDS.
I am asserting that natural selection is the back-up system, and that natural selection pressures drove our artificial selection systems to become based upon the maximum possible deceits and frauds. However, that includes the ways that almost all of the apparent public opposition to the pyramidion people stay within the same bullshit frame of reference that the ruling classes originally developed in order to enable them to operate as professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. In that context, realistic assessments of the most probable real futures are for there to eventuate various waves of death insanities, while the best we could do then is to perhaps direct those towards developing better death control systems.
What we should be doing is better understanding the relationships between human artificial selection systems, within natural selection systems. However, doing that requires we perceive human beings and civilization as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, which necessarily matched the principles and methods of organized crime, because the death control systems were always necessarily central to everything else. In my view, enough people must go through the steps of not only recognizing that governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, but also, that must necessarily be the case.
Money is necessarily measurement backed by murder, as the most abstract form of private property existing as claims backed by coercions. In turn, those are due to human beings and civilization operating as entropic pumps of environment energy flows, through which the only things that actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies, with the currently government ENFORCED FRAUDS by privately controlled banks being symbolic robberies.
From that perspective it is NOT possible to stop there being connections within the combined money/murder systems. It would only be possible to organize more effective resistance to the established systems, which could then change what the path of least resistance was. It is NOT possible to stop civilization from being a general energy system that follows its own paths of least action, or least resistance, which in human terms are the paths of least morality. It is only possible to organize more effective resistance, in order to change what the paths of least resistance may then be.
The data on resource depletion is not sufficiently reliable (philosophy of science, funding, and scientific dictat) and you are ignoring the cosmic factors. That's mainstream moron thinking.
I haven't met a ME refugee. I think the media is lying.
There. See how easy it is?
I know! Let's NOT talk about a zero-child policy of the people, by the people, for the people. Like the Pope doesn't.
Let's make wise cracks about TROM and VENUS.
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"Alin's frank discussion of the looming oceanic apocolypse is perhaps a product of studying unfathomable change every day. But four years ago, the birth of her twins "heightened the whole issue," she says. " I was worried enough about these problems before having kids that I maybe wondered whether it was a good idea. Now, it just makes me feel crushed."
I agree that:
However, it is still obvious to anyone who looks at it that our industrialization was based upon turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, and that was happening at an exponentially accelerating rate.
Theoretically, we should develop an industrial ecology, however, under the current financial systems, that is totally impossible, since making "money" out of nothing has NO meaningful relationship to the physical world, but rather is the result of ENFORCING FRAUDS, whereby the coercion is relatively divorced from the claims being made on the resources.
It would be necessary to integrate human, industrial and natural ecologies. All of that appears to be theoretically possible, but politically impossible at the present time. Ideally, enough people would understand the need for integrated human, industrial and natural ecologies. However, the dominate social systems tend to be based on deliberately ignoring that. Any "zero child" policy can not be implemented within those current systems. The only realistic death controls within the established systems are for nothing effective to be done to prevent runaway death insanities, including increasing infertility rates, due to all of the accumulating consequences of various pollutions, etc. ...
The deeper dilemmas continue to be that the majority of human intelligence actually gets applied to become better at backing up lies with violence. The history of that makes a more scientific society appear politically impossible. Instead, we have a runaway, oxymoronic, scientific dictatorship, where advances in technologies end up being most used to advance the established social pyramid systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS.
On deeper and deeper levels, human civilization has become criminally insane. While it is theoretically possible to imagine better alternative systems, the actually existing systems make that be practically impossible. About 99% of "We the People" already always act like Zombie Sheeple. That was not an accident, but rather, due to the deliberate strategies of the ruling classes waging war against the consciousness of those they ruled over, by backing up lies with violence, to keep the vast majority of people ignorant and afraid.
In that context, the only realistic resolutions for the runaway overpopulation problems are those that the ruling classes are going to make happen, namely the mass murders of the majority of the Zombie Sheeple, which have a high probability of spinning out of control. However, the history of human social pyramid systems makes having any more rational public debates about alternative death control systems politically impossible ... Therefore, the default solutions are death insanities, driven by debt insanities.
"Democracy" DIED when the people lost control over the public money supply. At present, about 99% of the people do not understand that anymore, and feel like they do not want to understand that. Hence, there can be no reasonable hopes for any finite futures. Conditions must automatically continue to get worse, faster ... Any better resolutions to the problems that "democracy" had been killed when the public "money" supply was privatized would require overcoming the double-bind paradoxes, or Catch 22s, regarding the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS.
"use more UNITARY MECHANISMS to perceive our problems, which then generates sets of more realistic resolutions to the real problems, which tend to almost always end up being the opposite to those promoted by the core groups of organized crime, and their surrounding layers of controlled opposition."
Is the Vatican a core group or controlled opposition? Yesterday the Pope promoted the opposite of any zero-child policy.
"the controlled opposition groups, that tend to somewhat reveal those social facts, but to never promote their ideas for what could be better death control systems, instead of those which the ruling classes are operating."
I promote a zero-child policy as better death controls than risking collective suicide via WMDs or environmenatal toxicity. A zero-child policy can be modified over time thereby restoring sanity. Less people means less robbery therfore less "debt to society" giving humans an opportunity to design a new industrial ecology. It would require a new form of militarism to succeed. Individuals would have to be honest about what they are doing (operating death controls themselves!). It would defeat the banksters because nobody would need (as much of) their "money.
and I agree, it is politically impossible : (
You said quite some time ago here that the problem with The Venus Project was that there was no Mars Project to act as the lynch pin. I suggest that a zero-child policy is The Mars Project.
Thanks for the reply Rad :)
p.s. I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed but I do enjoy trying to learn and I do work at it. I appreciate your patience.
Yes, MEAN BUSINESS, I believe that "the Vatican [was & is] a core group of controlled opposition."
Since natural selection pressures require some death controls, humans cannot stop that, only channel it. "Birth control" as our culture uses that term is a euphemism for what is really death control. A temporary "zero children policy" would be an extreme example of that!
English language, and most other of the dominate natural languages, tend to be misleading, due to presuming upon the biggest bullies' bullshit world views, and so, I REPEAT, that especially includes that what the dominate cultures call "birth control" are actually forms of death controls.
Generally whatever we say, and can then actually do:
Whatever says "yes" to a potential is true birth control.
Whatever says "no" to a potential is real death control.
The most efficient forms of death control are what we call birth control. I.e., preventing sperm and/or eggs to become fertilized & then to develop. The most obvious kinds of death control are observed are blatant murders. However, what I am talking about are social facts, which may exist, without people paying them proper attention, so that, according to the social facts, EVERYTHING that everybody does has death control ramifications. It is not possible for every decision that governments make to not have some death control consequences.
That is as basic as the questions about eating and reproducing, except it focuses on all the various ways that the living fire is put out, or dampened down, rather than fed and rages on. Chronic political problems are inherent in the nature of life. All living things have the potential to reproduce exponentially. That is given by the definition of the living organism themselves.
Malthusian dilemmas are NOT due to nothing but some elite plot!
Endless exponential growth is absolutely impossible to continue ... Something has to stop it, and, by definition, that is some death control. The questions are what are really possible alternatives? I am not attempting to promote a false fundamental dichotomy between death control and birth control ... I am only talking about relative realities, not any absolute truth.
Given that things DO travel down their path of least resistance, which is, in human terms, the path of least morality, although we should develop a higher consciousness and more compassion that makes a greater use of information when operating our death control systems, however, what I actually expect will continue to happen is that we will default to the most deceitful, deliberate ignorance, driving death control systems that cause the maximum suffering for the most people, over the longer term.
By definition, the death of democracy is the death of the political systems which theoretically made possible greater uses of information, as the operational definition of higher consciousness. More centralized combined money/murder systems, as the achievement of the oligarchs' organized crimes, mean that, in the longer term, there will be way worse debt controls backed by way worse death controls.
"...refurbishing the social welfare state that made life for ordinary Britishers more secure and less stressful."
"Labour prime ministers who actually stood for the people rather than for the elites... "
I actually had to stop reading this buffoon. When has welfare statism and the politicians that support it EVER served the people over the elites? Oh that's right, that's only the line elitists tell the stupid sheeple so they'll slip the noose around their own necks.
Close, except credit was not always money. Long before money was invented as a means to more easily facilitate barter, credit existed as a means to track trades where one side was based on a future event. Ie, a sack of grain is taken to the mill, for which the miller owes a finished ground product when it is ready and the farmer is credited for bringing the grain.
Finding a way to create money is putting the cart before the horse. the question is how do we get people to be industrious and create products, whether raw materials or finished products, such that a need to barter or create a means to acquire said desired fruits of that labour are generated. Unfortunately very few people actually do anything productive anymore, and these are the employed ones. Pushing papers, entering data, moving money around, trading stocks, none of these things actually create anything and thus add little to nothing toward a real economy.
How do we get back to a globally competitive manufacturing base is the real question. To me, it starts toward of path of reaching fiscal equilibrium, as long as jobs can be offshored, the they will be. So until U.S. Americans are willing to work for wages that are globally competitive, then things will continue to deteriorate. Unfortunately this means watching asset values tumble, from home prices on, giving up the expectations of electronic and other toys, until people are functionally competitive.
And since most U.S. Citizens have no idea how to actually work such that they manufacture a desired good or product, it will require significant reeducation and or die off of anybody not working in the manufacturing sector. As the dollar loses reserve currency status, the U.S. Won't be able to import without exporting products, and suddenly all the unskilled labour (and that's anyone who doesn't somehow actually work toward the production of exportable goods) we'll find themselves, to put it lightly, screwed.
"Should this occur, Corbyn would shift the budget priorities away from supporting Washington’s wars toward refurbishing the social welfare state that made life for ordinary Britishers more secure and less stressful..."
Huh?!?? Wha...???? PCR has lost his mind. I'm sorry to have to say this, as The Supply Side Revolution is one the best books written on a very critical time in our Nation's life. Consider the following and then hunt down the names of the Crony Favored:
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/news/2015/07/28/uk-chancellor-george-os...
Oh, YES!!! A Green Motorcycle in 2 years??? What MADNESS. This isn't the War Machine, this is the Crony Welfare State Economics. Corbyn's gonna make it BETTER? Have another coupla' vicodins on me PCR. You've gone nuts.
CW
Agreed, this article is yet more limp wristed teary eyed hand wringing. We are drowning in a sea of red ink due to these morons who believe that they are being compassionate by using state compulsion to take money via taxes and then spend it on charitable projects. Vast sums of money are transferred to various overseas despots and organisations, and now they think that doing even more of it at home will make us a better people?
How about respecting peoples liberty, and that means both the liberty to live life how you want, but also the liberty to spend your wealth how you want. Russia and China have big problems with their government, but all this article is talking about is doubling down on the state as a solution, we've seen where that leads enough times during the 20th century.
"How about respecting peoples liberty, and that means both the liberty to live life how you want, but also the liberty to spend your wealth how you want."
There’s de jure liberty (the US ‘libertarian’ interpretation of liberty – freedom is an abstract/a formal right) and de facto liberty (the real libertarian/socialist interpretation of liberty – freedom is actual opportunities to form ones life).
Politicians's job is to represent the interest of their people , for which they took an oath. It's the reason they exist in the first place. If they allow themselves to be bought , the buyer is not to blame . They are . It's called responsability and integrity = what the US lacks today.
You also fail to understand the concept of risks. When capital is brought or borrowed to access means of productions , at no point reward is garanteed. The balance between reward and risks defines potential value, and the contract between (those actually working) and the owner of the mean of production lasts as long as this risk is rewarded . If workers want to bear that risk and take full responsability for their investment , they are more than free to do so and grab the juicy surplus value.
People were born into wealth long before the american congress existed , Many were lost , some are still there. Truth is , if you have an idea and the spirit to try and see what happens , that should not slow you down. I don't care much about the liberal/marxist agenda , and promoting equal opportunity is only fair .
but being a very small business owner with my own little money at risk , i think you needed a reminder on capitalism
Zerohedge is being visited by some weird people these days. How anyone could downvote what you wrote is a complete mystery to me, as is how anyone could upvote the marxist tripe to which you replied
A career politicians "job" is to get re-elected, not serve the people. That was just part of the advertising to sell this dog of a model to you, the consuming dupe.
No snake oil salesmen for me.
These middle-class scumbags can offer a nation nothing as they have nothing to give and no means to give it. That just makes them actors to us and whores to their patrons.
If I'm not powerful enough to be a patron myself, then let me choose my patron - not some middle man corrupt stooge.
I wouldn't be choosing the banksters as my patron, I can tell you that much.
While completely correct, the problem as it exists today is that, in many casesm said "risks" are not being shouldered by the risk-takers, but rather backstopped by the victims of said risks.
Losses are socialized while profits privitized, as the entire political mechanism of "public policy" and rule of law has been captured, hijacked by those with the economic power to do so, and converted into a looting operation, brigandage, to favor those with the capital to buy special dispensation and favoritism, at the expense of a truly free market. As a result, a stratafied system has replaced actual risk and reward, you are either "too big to fail" or you are one of the little guys, who will be bought up, run out of business, or crushed by onerous regulation to prevent any true competition from forming.
Austrian school economist Joseph Schumpeter's seminal "Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy" does a good job of covering the dangers of allowing this to happen, and yet here we are.
The word that describes the situation in the United States now is "brigandage." If Al Capone was President of the United States now, he would feel right at home. Instead of Capone, we have another criminal from Chicago and his crime family running the United States into the ground - capo Obama.
History is filled with roving gangs ruling everything. It's always been like this, it just sucks when it's not your gang doing the leading.
History is filled with roving gangs ruling everything.
There is nothing left but greed and coercion and the threat of coercion.
"May you live in interesting times". To understand what happens next, like it or no, desire it or no, when the general public finally perceives that the rule of law as it is currently being practiced on them by their "government" is a farce, run by sociopaths, scoundrels and pillagers, we revert to the State of Nature, as described so well by Locke.
You'd think Paul Craig Roberts would at least reconize that the US was, at one time, a republic; not a democracy. He is correct that we are now an oligarchy, and Obama is merely the president of the United States Corporation.
I don't recommend these businesses for anything, their methods are unsafe and extremely harmful to others.
Famous Washington DC businesses
The USA is a lot more oligarchic than fifty years ago,
but it is still a republic: no one family has yet turned
it into a monarchy.
Since private banks create our money out of nothing and their stock is passed to their children through inheritance in offshore trusts tax free, then I would say that WE DO HAVE AN OLIGARCHY BY BANKING FAMILIES. It's worse than an aristocracy, because FINANICAL OLIGARCHY is all encompassing due to ownership of the right of creating money out of nothing. At least the old aristocrats had physical wealth producing farms, mines, ..etc. and were tied to a nationalism because their wealth was country specific. The peoples wages were not driven down by 'free trade' agreements when the aristocrats controlled countries and immigration was limited if allowed at all. Aristocrats had to keep the people happy and could not tighten the screws on them by embargoing the countries exports or applying punitive measures to their own people.
Todays financial oligarchy CAN subject to total control numerous countries. I call it the JFE (Jewish Financial Empire); it is hereditary, has it's own religious justification for snuffing lives out anywhere in the world and has been grabbing property for centuries. It is the reasong why Israel can kill thousands of civillians in GAZA with impunity while our governmnet supplies the phosphorous bombs without question. The nearest thing to it is Shintoism in Japan which took centuries to develop and when it sought control of Asia, killed milllions without remoarse. The JFE runs the US now and as a result, the US has killled millions in Vietnam, Iraq, ...etc. without remoarse as well.
A republic (from Latin: res publica) is a form of government or country in which power resides in elected individuals representing the citizen body. A republic is a democracy (or should be).
Alternatives are always possible.
A little harsh.
Agreeing with Hugo Chavez?
In this particular instance Chavez was right.
Bush started the war with Iraq. He was quoted as saying 'Saddam tried to kill my Daddy' as an excuse to send the troops in and bomb the shit out of everyday human beings and destroying a nation.
I am waiting and will probably die first, for someone to arrest Obama, Bush and all those complicit in breaking their oath to the constitution, war crimes, murder and torture.
I do not see much difference between the cartels and Washington DC, except that the men in Washington wear suits and ties.
The fact that the public loves to idolize the low life politicians who happen to win an election and gain instant respect because of the title they are given is beyond me. They are still low life politicians. How many of them ever win because of something positive or good? Look at their advertising, that tells you a lot right there.
You actually think that shit was real?
Bush started the war, and everything bad that happened during his watch was his fault.
On the other hand, Obama is "just a puppet" so he's not responsible for anything that happened during his watch.....
Bush and Obama are both puppets, which does not excuse either one of them for their behaviour. A puppet is still responsible for the policies they transmit from their handlers.
The end of independent action for 'political leaders' in this country occurred in 1963, though it could also be argued that Nixon was attempting to reassert the prerogative (for good or bad is beside the point) and so was removed. Since then, all 'leaders' have been part of 'the one party', and we now see the full flowering of this monoculture.
The system will stand or fall. To 'fix' it at this point by changing the players is impossible and is a waste of effort to try.
I thought so too regarding Nixon, but he's the one who servered the last link between the dollar and gold, thus allowing the bankers to TOTALLY CONTROL the US economy and from there, to control the western economy as the bankers unsurprisingly agreed to take the privately issued bank notes called FRNs as THE RESERVE ASSET that replaced gold. We soon had the creation of a mercenary army that same year, because the bankers wanted to wage their own wars without interference from the citizens
Once Nixon did this for the banks, he was expendable, but he was never imprisoned for any crime even though the Watergate affair occured because Nixon thought the Democrats had the evidence llnking him to Kennedy's murder (Nixon had foreknowledge at the least and was in on the CIA/LBJ plans though not an active conspirator)
Will Russia and China participate in the pillage, or will they resist it, standing firm for humanity?
ummmmm, this is a serious question?
History proves again and again that they'll do whatever serves their masters interests better... my money is on pillage.
Wrong, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', or at least my temporary useful ally. The oligarchs or aristocrats of Russia and China refuse to be bought out by the JFE (Jewish Financial Empire); they refuse to give up control of their countries, their culture, and their defense, to an alien religious group (not alien as from Mars, but alien as in beliving all non jews are inferior; perhaps different shades of being inferiior.
The Pope must speak out against private banks controlling our money; his churches accept the bankers money and he is as Zionsit as the typical late night cable preacher on TV. The Pope went to Bethlehem but he needs to create a Catholic movement for government issued money to solve unemployment. Colonial governemnt issued currencies enable to 13 colonies to hae the fastest economic growth in history; they were outlawed by King George in 1764 who wanted the colonists to borrow government approved privatly issued currency at 6% interest from the Bank of England, of which he was a large shareholder of.
The Pope must speak out against private banks controlling our money...
Are you serious?!
The House of Rothschild is the Vatican's bankster.
Anyone who thinks the Vatican isn't one with the Pharisees hasn't been paying attention.
Generally, I agree with your points about the JFE, although I'd like to point out that any Jew who can't trace their bloodline back to King David is scarcely less goy, in the eyes of the Pharisees, than the rest of us. They are mere cannon fodder, there to catch bullets while the Olympians make off with the whole of the human race's wealth.
It is not possible to overstate the evil of the moneychangers. The words do not exist, in English for sure, but probably not in any language.
Psychopathy is genetic, inheritable, and incurable. The human race has a choice to make. It's not a happy choice, but it is an unavoidable one. If we do not make it, it will be made for us.
"Democracy has departed the West".
It's OK, we still have Hypocrisy.
Yea! Does this mean we get a Constitutional Republic again?
So it is written.
Only if you can keep it.
Fail, only if you give up.
If your wheelchair bound parents were gas doused and threatened with fire,
would you do nothing?
Those parents nurtured you and kept you on the right path to their best ability. Would you not do your best for them?
Those that proceed us have not faulted on their country, They have only been blinded by the deception, as many still are.
We are 300 million plus in number. Our lives and liberties are decided by less than a thousand. Those thousand hold the flame. Will you do nothing?
We KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING!
WE ARE AWAKE.
IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO AWAKEN THE REMAINING!
The courageous speech of Hugo Chavez?
Thank you for reminding me of why the name "Paul Craig Roberts" in a byline is a sure indicator that the article is not worth the investment of time it takes to read.
have you actually *read* what was in the speech?
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_to_the_United_Nations_General_Ass...(Ch%C3%A1vez,_2006-09-20)
seems pretty damn courageous to me.
Well, you forget he was a SOCIALIST!!! And a socialist (in a US-mainstream context) is equal evil incarnate. Socialism is (again in the indoctrinated minds of the majority of US) synonymous with all ‘statism’ and that perversely makes fascists like Clinton, Bush, Obama and their cadre of corporate sponsored ‘experts’ socialists. Even though they openly – and covertly – fights all real socialist movements around the world.
It is only in US that you can ‘blame someone for being a socialist’ and see it as an insult in itself. There’s no need to actually clarify what is meant with socialism (there’re many branches of socialism – some state-centered others anarchistic/libertarian). In the collective mind of the US population decades of capitalist/fascist propaganda has made “socialism” meaningless for any informed debate.
This. Very well put.
when you socialists find me an angel to run your centrally controlled world, then we can talk, otherwise we are stuck with the likes of clinton's bush's who you decry as not true socialists, but those are the types you hand power over to each time, see pol pot in cambodia and his socialist paradise built on millions of dead citizens..idiots such as memedada and eirika go to hell.
I think they plan to martyr their very own socialist "Green Pope" to get a new Che angel. Nothing gets in the way to a Marxist paradise on earth comrade! ;-)
Marxism is not an ideology but an analytical framework. Marxism mainly consist of historical materialism (a reversal of the Hegelian idealism = a philosophical debate between those who believe mind comes first vs. those who believe matters comes first. The dialectic is the same but the initiator is changed. In Marxism it’s the quantitative changes in the material world that creates the qualitative changes in the ideal world (superstructures, ideas, memes etc.)).
Marx personal political observation should be seen as secondary to his contribution to philosophy as such. Historical materialism can be – and is – used as an analytical tool by capitalists as well as socialists/communists/anarchists.
PS. Marx was himself a huge supporter of capitalism. He was just imaginative enough (he was a student of history) to contemplate what would come after capitalism. He, of course, had some personal ideas of what should come next. I disagree with Marx on this issue.
"Marx was himself a huge supporter of capitalism."
Well, technically, he was a huge supporter of the benefits of capitalism. After all, he refused to provide for his own family and lived in squalor while he "wrote and dreamed", totally dependent on charity, like that given to him by Engels, who toward the end wouldn't even send him his stipend in full for fear he would blow it all before the month was out...lol...parallels?
Engels of course it should be noted, inherited the bulk of his wealth from his capitalist father ;-)
Indeed, he was dependent on the economic system in which he was born – like we all are, until we change it. The fact that time to think/analyze/dream was dependent on a capitalist sponsor is like today one of the problems with capitalism. It sustains itself ‘intellectually’ by providing huge salaries/career opportunities for those who supports the capitalist paradigm – like the Monarchs did in the past. Paying artists, writers, scientists, priests etc. to support the ‘intellectual/moral’ superiority of the ruling class at that time.
Of course, the psychopaths use their 'isms' to get over on the population. Its all a psychopaths fraud. And the people fall for it. They watch 'debates' and actually think the words mean something.
In the old USSR - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - people finally saw that years of promises of a 'socialist workers paradise' were a lie. It was always a scam for grabbing wealth & power.
Natural Law - every human being has the right to live their life as they choose - as long as they do not harm or interfere with the rights of others. Pretty simple. What politicians have ever followed such Law ?
But most Americans think they live in a democracy. (And most couldnt even tell you what a 'republic' is.) They think America has been spreading 'freedom' around the world & fighting 'terrorism'. The belief system of children.
Believers in the various 'isms' are living in their head. They are captured by their daydreams. Time to wake up to the reality here & now, at ground level where you are.
In the old USSR - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - people finally saw that years of promises of a 'socialist workers paradise' were a lie. It was always a scam for grabbing wealth & power.
This is my only hope for the west. If people reach the same ability the Soviet population had at the end to laugh at the lies being told to them, we might get out of this without a bloodbath. It's a slow process, but eventually, the government of the USSR (and by extension, their allies in the eastern bloc) became nothing more than a joke to its people. That level of lack of respect permeated everyone, so even the military was no longer a reliable tool against the population. Even they knew it was a sham. Please God let this happen in the west. Our governments are every bit as stupid as theirs were. Just let enough people recognize it.
My thoughts too nmewn. Wonder if they'll "dirty bomb" his arse in Philly and blame ISIS. That's a big enough false flag to drive the idiots of the West to their collective doom.
Seeing as how you likely wrote this incoherent rant from your parent's basement while enjoying the benefits of at least two separate wellfare entitlements, it's worth pointing out how much the average right-winger in fact owes to social-democratic reforms.
eirik, i have asked you in the past to tell us about your work saving the poor, me I just built a business that started with 5 of us and ended up with employing over 40 people - who fed and housed and educated children with the money they made in that business..take your insults and shove em up your ass.
The wonderful thing about debating most socialists is, usually the first thing put up against the wall and shot is their own integrity.
You really have zero evidence to support what you just said about him, do you?
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I'll take the neg as vindication that you have no real evidence to support your accusation.
But what's integrity to a Marxist? ;-)
I’m not surprised with your personal rebut (it’s emotional to have your worldview challenged). And I’m not surprised that you haven’t read my post: socialist can be state-centered or anarchistic. Why do you think I support statism (the US-fascist-capitalist version or any other forms)? Being a socialist does not mean you have to support everybody who calls themselves socialists (or those that are labelled socialist by the corporate propagandist). I guess you’re some sort of vulgar capitalist/fake (Koch-brother-supported) libertarian? Even though I therefor disagree with you I would not blame you of being a fascist/supporter of Hitler, Mussolini etc. I know that there are many camps of capitalist ideologies (I disagree with them all, but some more than others).
And your reference to Cambodia is telling of your indoctrinated mind:
“The genocide in Cambodia did not begin on April 17 1975, "Year Zero." It began more than five years earlier when American bombers killed an estimated 600,000 Cambodians. Phosphorous and cluster bombs, napalm and dump bombs that left vast craters were dropped on a neutral country of peasant people and straw huts. In one six-month period in 1973, more tons of American bombs were dropped on Cambodia than were dropped on Japan during the second world war: the equivalent of five Hiroshimas. The regime of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger did this, secretly and illegally.
Unclassified CIA files leave little doubt that the bombing was the catalyst for Pol Pot's fanatics, who, before the inferno, had only minority support. Now, a stricken people rallied to them. In Panh's film, a torturer refers to the bombing as his reason for joining "the maquis": the Khmer Rouge. What Nixon and Kissinger began, Pol Pot completed. And having been driven out by the Vietnamese, who came from the wrong side of the cold war, the Khmer Rouge were restored in Thailand by the Reagan administration, assisted by the Thatcher government, who invented a "coalition" to provide the cover for America's continuing war against Vietnam.”
- John Pilger, http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=1807
memedada, I served in Nam, your facts are somewhat wrong, there was never a major bombing of cambodia, laos n vietnam, vietnam yeh..the pilger guy is making up facts. you are entitled to your socialist ramblings but not to making up facts out of thin air.
I don’t see your ‘service’ in NAM as any qualification in this debate. Unless you ‘served’ as a high-ranking CIA-officer or something similar?
http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/Owen-Kiernan_200-10_Cambodia-Bombing.pdf
meme, I did not say there was NO bombs dropped in cambodia, B52 strikes of the number quoted leave a moon like landscape (I served in 101st in the ashu valley which got arch light b52 strikes and cambodia never had that type of damage in population areas, maybe along the border and during our incursions there late in the war in support of forces - I disagree with 600,000 cambodians killed in air strikes..did not happen.
“Clinton released extensive Air Force data on all American bombings of Indochina between 1964 and 1975. Recorded using a groundbreaking ibm-designed system, the database provided extensive information on sorties conducted over Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Clinton’s gift was intended to assist in the search for unexploded ordnance left behind during the carpet-bombing of the region. Littering the countryside, often submerged under farmland, this ordnance remains a significant humanitarian concern. It has maimed and killed farmers, and rendered valuable land all but unusable. Development and demining organizations have put the Air Force data to good use over the past six years, but have done so without noting its full implications, which turn out to be staggering.
The still-incomplete database (it has several “dark” periods) reveals that from October 4, 1965, to August 15, 1973, the United States dropped far more ordnance on Cambodia than was previously believed: 2,756,941 tons’ worth, dropped in 230,516 sorties on 113,716 sites. Just over 10 percent of this bombing was indiscriminate, with 3,580 of the sites listed as having “unknown” targets and another 8,238 sites having no target listed at all. The database also shows that the bombing began four years earlier than is widely believed
To put 2,756,941tons into perspective, the Allies dropped just over 2 million tons of bombs during all of World War II. Cambodia may be the most heavily bombed country in history.”
- Owen, Taylor and Ben Kiernan, 2010. The Costs of the US Bombing of Cambodia. In Pavlick, Mark ed., US War Crimes in Indochina: Our Duty To Truth. Common Courage Press, 2010.
"Many of those killed in the bombing were just vaporized," notes Craig Etcheson, a leading American researcher. "According to documents and research, the figures for people who died during that time [1969-75], would be around 700,000 to 800,000," Hun Sen estimated. Some Western demographers and scholars have come up with similar estimates, placing "excess deaths" in the 6-800,000 range"
- http://www2.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=2412
Seriously, you should put your head in the nearest oven.
dont knock it PCR !!!
there is some sweet poon on Seeking Arrangement dot com just for the taking
What happened to the American dream??????????
It came true !!!!!
And like every other oppression throughout history it to will burn .
Our Founders saw this coming. Sure as shit. Without a doubt.
That's why they slipped in the 2nd Amendmant. Just to give us a little bit of a chance. I'm sure it makes those motherfuckers at least pause.
There will come a time in the not to distant future where men, real men will have to step up and make good on that second amendment right, but were not there just yet.
What is a real man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos
Any questions?
A male that will do what needs to be done, regardless of personal cost.
A male that another of said ilk will give the nod to, in recognition.
I understand there are not many left alive in the West today. The hope for tomorrow is for these few to congregate and do what needs must be done.
Hugo may have wrong on economic policy but he was dead on about Bush and the US. It still reeks of sulphur in this biatch!
Pretty much the fat fucking piss pot calling the kettle black.
How long before this dude gets "accidented"?
Good. Screw democracy.
There's a reason the Founders made the US a republic: democracy is utter garbage.
It depends on how one defines "democracy."
Many here seem to think that it's only the legendary FSA voting free shit for itself.
I see democracy more as the opposite of being dictated to, or that's how I mean it. ObummerCare is a recent case in point. People didn't choose it, we were told "you'll have to vote for it to know what's in it," i.e., dictatorship.
So you've ascended to the ranks of blue dress stainer?
Democracy, in it's basest definition, is mob rule.
The ancient Greeks, who invented the very term democracy, certainly didn't think so. Ochlocracy is "mob rule". Democracy adds protections provided by the "Rule of Law".
Ochlocracy ("rule of the general populace") is democracy ("rule of the people") spoiled by demagoguery, "tyranny of the majority", and the rule of passion over reason, just as oligarchy ("rule of a few") is aristocracy ("rule of the best") spoiled by corruption, and tyranny is monarchyspoiled by lack of virtue. Ochlocracy is synonymous in meaning and usage to the modern, informal term "mobocracy", which emerged from a much more recent colloquial etymology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy
Polybius covers the difference pretty well in the 2nd century BC.
Morality cannot exist in government unless the individuals make moral decisions. The problem is that when the government and not the individual is responsible moral decisions are not made. Corporations that make governmental decisions are an additional step towards savagery and anarchy. Corporations will not stop at even destroying their own institutions just to stay afloat. The more groupthink the more dangerous and evil organizations become. Money is worthless when there is no world to live in.
It is the same war elements playing out century after century. This time we must stop the possibility of the accumulation of wealth by individuals and in particular corporate and banking families.
WWIII the war of bankers and banking families against the populations of the world.
Yet how do we even know WHEN we have the moral sense?
When our thoughts and actions lead towards doing GOOD for our PEOPLE ie are constructive, life affirming and positive.
This article is a load of socialist propoganda and horse shit - Hugo Chavez "courageous?"
the fat, statist, Marxist motherf***er has destroyed his country and made it among the poorest and most violent in the Western Hemisphere. All without any help from Washington. The stupid sheep there are now rioting to get a roll of toilet paper.
We are trying to prevent the same thing from happening to the USA.
This is what we are trying to prevent the USA turning into.
But, the prez and his ZWO cronies are about the business of fundamentally changing America, and they are succeeding beyond all expectations. Not for the better unfortunately, unless you love fascism wrapped in socialism, wrapped in crony capitalism - i.e. the path to totalitarianism.
Exactly. Only those entirely ignorant of economics could fail to see the devastation that socialism has wrought in Venezuela. Not to mention the thuggery, violence, tyranny, and relentless attemtps to squash all dissents. PCR seems to have a hankering for total fascism.
I didn't see PCR endorsing Chavez's policies but only his pretty accurate description of Bush.
I only bring this up in the interest of discussion about what was actually written as opposed to what people "Think" was written.
Drawing conclusions based on assumptions not in evidence is not a way to go through life.
name one US President in the last 50 years in the same stature as Hugo Chavez
all flaky corporate prostitutes
None.
But Little Jimmy Madison was only 5'-4" so he's probably the closest to Hugo's stature.
JFK might have, if he hadn't got his head blown off. Esp. if he shut down the alphabet agencies and closed the Fed.
Most illuminating post @ZHemmroids in quite some time. Not so much what you wrote, which is obviously factual, but all the down arrows. Another confirmation that many of the regular posters are a combination of Left Handers, CAIR rectum snooters, Goebbels-Mohammedans, and finally PutinHasbraTrinas straight from the Leningrad basement agitprop shop. Thank you for pulling the cover on these filthy swill and bilge barmaids.
You're obviously a fuckwad who can't see the TRUTH of why those people got put into that position, and why we will *also* VERY SOON *BE* assuming that SAME position.
I could post link after link proving my accusation, but why bother. You have already made up your mind. I'm wasting my time respond
Garbage. PCR is infatuated with the murderous, tyrranical dictator Chavez and worships Putin. That's all I need to know about him.
Google Alan C. Kors on socialism's fallout (there are videos, articles. I believe his most famous presenation on this was many years ago at FreedomFest):
"This is not the thousands killed during the Inquisition; it is not the thousands of American lynching. This is not the six million dead from Nazi extermination. The best scholarship yields numbers that the mind must try to comprehend: scores, and scores, and scores, and scores of millions of bodies. ...
As for the mea culpas, we await them in vain from those who claim not to have known or who still choose not to learn. Let Western intellectuals repeat the phrase of "Requiem," a work written during the Stalinist terror by Anna Akhmatova, the greatest Russian poet of the twentieth century: "I will remember them always and everywhere, I will never forget them no matter what comes." The bodies demand an accounting, an apology, and repentance. Without such things, there is no "after socialism."
Praising a thing Chavez said is not the same thing as praising Chavez, or wholeheartedly endorsing Chavez's entire program. That's neocon thinking.
Not really.
Idiocy is an equal opportunity employer.
Nonsense. PRC's comments on Chavez perfectly capture the man's thinking and outlook. And PCR makes no effort to distance himself from Chavez or to qualify his remarks.
Your other error is to engage in a vague accusation that those who have a very low view of PCR's writing must be neocons. That's a knee-jerk response and maybe wishful thinking. There are plenty of people who don't have the time of day for PCR or for neocons.
My, my, my, where to begin on this.
First off, we are not witnessing the death of democracy but its historically inevitable culmination-- that stage where people discover that voting themselves money out of the public treasury is easier and more profitable than actually, you know, working for a living. That truism covers mongrels as well as millionaires. Once the principle becomes accepted in the minds of the public, it is simply a race to see who can plunder more and faster than anyone else before the window closes. Unfortunately for the poor and weak, they have to bide their time and wait for the end of the month to do their smash-and-grab operations while the rich and powerful can "go to work" every day of the week.
The great and shattering idea of the Enlightenment was that the individual was a distinct social unit not obligated to carry out the orders of anyone or anything else. His individual soul was his own to use as he pleased, at least to an advancing degree as the Age of Reason flowered, rather than representing some sort of life on loan from a superior who was entitled to revoke or direct it at will. To suppose that the neo-national-socialist fervor of Russia and China represent the last, best hope of mankind on earth shows just how lost apparently everyone has become. These nations still believe in the concept of the common good over the individual good and that their citizens must sacrifice their own individual needs and desires when they come in conflict with the wishes of the State. So far as it goes, that is the hideous Continental disease that has infected the organs of government in America, as well.
But to suppose that we invented or created this affliction and are now spreading it to uninfected areas of the world is, frankly, an evil inversion of the truth. The primacy of the State over the individual is not the cornerstone on which the American edifice was built but rather the keystone of tyranny from which America fled. It is they who have afflicted us, not we who have afflicted them. That our institutions now serve as the ensorcelled engine of execution for their hidden masters is to be regretted.
Even as the subverted organs of the US government are turned towards doing service to the greatest ideological foes of the Great Republic and leading the vanguard of rapacity towards restoration of the once-lost overlordship of the few over the many, world without end, there is another part of America that is nervously preparing for the showdown.
"The whole world united shall not prevail against her."
"To suppose that the neo-national-socialist fervor of Russia and China represent the last, best hope of mankind on earth shows just how lost apparently everyone has become." Agreed. Some very good points above.
Just ask the natives who are now turning ...
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How bout that Dilma chick? Now we're talking death of democracy for sure, right?
as for "greatest ideological foes of the Great Republic" - look no further than the creatures that staff and represent the Fed.
That's the source of your rot, right there.
Agreed, cultural decline happens, systems must periodically be renewed - but it takes the intervention of an alien enemy to twist cultural tendencies even beyond their normal self destructive inclinations into machines of true nihilism.
It's the squid that is the enemy. The West won't even have a chance at cultural renewal without first purging itself of that horrible infestation.
and can get you killed or IRS'd.
Orwell Orwellian times indeed.
We live in a world where money is speech, corporations are people, greed is good, the poor are vilified, ignorance is rampant, and apathy is at fever pitch. Before we can begin to make this world a better place, we must address the above or it will only get worse... MUCH WORSE.
Democracy is how the herders control the sheep. It's easy to manipulate the public, just turn on the teevee and open your brain.
Democracies only work when people pay attention and participate.
In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.
People willing to shove their culture down your throat are the issue. Those include our mono-culturalists.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/a-wonderful-life-in-a-worl...
I love this guy...
"America will fall, not because of a corrupt government; its greed ridden corporate owners; its barking media propaganda machine, or its cancerous military industrial complex. It will fall because her people chose self-interest over their children’s future; chose helplessness over courage and chose to do nothing to stop it.
They watched the rest of the world crumble on television. They believed in their government’s omnipotence and military’s superiority. They believed in their Gods, and Angels. And now they are dead."
JM McGuinniss
The guillotines cometh.
Manspreading...The bane of Western Civ. Sorry should have been a trigger-warning there.
Every time I read about the failures of democracy, I think one thing. The citizens of a failed democracy are why it fails. ( Excepting our fine democracy coming in and bombing other democracies to extinction. ) We are failing our democracy. So it will fail. We have been lazy. Let it be taken from us. Let it be sold cheap from us. We stopped working at it, so it is failing. Mostly, we traded real democracy and a high functioning economy and country, for worthless tax breaks, deregulation, and cheap shit. I am a Canadian and U.S. citizen. Both of our countries citizens are letting our democracies turn into plutocracies. Banana republics. History repeats. I often disagree intensely with what other commenters say here. I disagree with some of the articles. But this site, and the people who read it, comment it, are at least paying attention. Listening, speaking. I hope most of the people here are members of some political party. Donate some time and / or money to it. Support independent politicians or good ones from their particular party. VOTE! Vote with their money every day in what they buy, who they buy from.
I am a member and donator to a party. But I may not vote for them. It is close.... I may vote for the another party that will also lose in my district. Both of my choices will likely lose. But there my vote will be counted. It will be noted as to how many people did not want the result. That matters. The bigger the numbers that the losers have, the less secure the winner is. The more the winners have to watch their backs and our desires.
You'll have to explain which democracies we've been bombing. All I see are a bunch of family dynasties that own(ed) their countries just as sure as Roman Emperors and Medieval kings did, no matter what sort of window dressing takes place at intervals.
I agree with your sentiment that we are our own worst enemy ... but clinging to "party politics" for the solution is beyond facile. Even if "your" party does win they are not obligated in any way to actually represent you or your interests .... and they rarely do.
There is zero reason we couldn't have "direct representation" on most issues with the technology available thee days. Weekly referendums would be easy and over time would encourage more and more people to participate. I know my government has no problem with the "security issues" when it suits them. All our tax and government interaction is done electronically using digital certificates. They simply do not want or intend to give up the power to choose for everyone else. This whole Republic vs Democracy is the core issue. Without inalienable rights that limit the government's power over individuals there will always be the 49% who are being oppressed by the 51%
I often wonder if we have it wrong and the elites figured it out eons ago ... the majority of people are stupid imbeciles and deserve, ney demand to be ruled. Maybe we should just change sides and go with the flow ?
All that has happened is that financial sociopaths have gotten control of the levers of power, as stated in the 1889 book [The Great Red Dragon: Foreign Money Power in the United States.] To take that power away, immediately stop doing business with financial sociopaths. I did so in 2005 and have saved greatly. That's why they hate people holding physical gold and silver. No monthly commission; no rehypothification; no promises; no front running either your buys and/or sells; etc. No brokers calling. No banksters being paid. They will have to go back to being productive or starve. The snakes and rats [liars and thieves] are being backed into corner and are viciously fighting for their survival. Who's going to win? You or them. Entirely YOUR decision.
"As far as I can tell, not only has democracy departed the Western world, but also compassion, empathy for others, morality, integrity, respect for truth, justice, faithfulness, and self-respect."
Welcome to the world of Ayn Rand.
I guess I haven't gotten enough red arrows lately, so I'll just say what I truthfully think about PCR and take the blows to the face. That's Fight Club, right?
I think PCR is exactly right about everything that he writes. Spot on. No question.
But lies by omission. He doesn't talk about the BRICS and how they are controlled by the BIS...the SAME organization that gives the FED and the IMF their marching orders.
He is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. His role is to make the west look like evil incarnate, so that we rush to the east for 'salvation'...and eventually, the NWO One World Currency.
- drops mic. Dodges tomatoes...
Tyrannical power and wealth can only fall into the hands of a powerful few when the majority become complacent and allow themselves to be oppressed... for the power has always rested with the people if they stand united and make their collective voices heard as one. It is the disposition of man to allow himself to be oppressed and endure the suffering it creates rather than to stand united with his neighor and stand and demand justice for all. With rare exceptions in our history (such as the Declaration of Independence), this has been the case.
Must watch :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU
"for the power has always rested with the people if they stand united and make their collective voices heard as one."
People, 'Stand United' behind their Leader, Leaders change, become corrupted, become greedy, develop contempt for their followers who show their stupidity by electing the very 'Leaders' who treat them with contempt! (They must like me robbing them, they keep electimg me!)
If democracies only work when people pay attention, then democracies never work. Anarchy is what works. Tyranny, including the tyranny of a majority cannot work. You and those you imagine are paying attention and participating are not in control. Nobody is in control. That is the illusion.
No one ever had control. No amount of bloodshed, no number of incarcerations generates control. You can generate deaths. You can cause injustice. You can enslave some of the people some of the time. But you still don't have control.
Life is chaotic. Markets are chaotic. Being out of control is the natural way of things. Embrace your indomitable nature. Anarchy acknowledges rules and ideas, but never rulers. All your web of laws can ever do, said Anacharsis, is catch the weak and powerless. It cannot make your people moral. It cannot catch the fast nor the strong. So stop pretending that you can have a system of control. And you cannot have the Easter Bunny either. =smile=
The winner of the day.
Russia is not looking to emulate America anymore. According to Gorbachev they were from 1991 until NATO bombed Belgrade in 1999, when they realized what kind of people they were dealing with.
Implied Violins, gold and silver are edible and antibiotic. Silver can be very good in water to reduce pathogens. I like PCR, but democracy is crazy. And one world gov't is ludicrous. One is 7.5 billion too few.
Oh, well, obviously PCR is nuts, even if he's telling a lot of truth he's stlil nuts. So what is going on. I don't know any more than he does. But I think maybe 50% of it is a crisis of rising expectations, maybe things have generally been just about this screwed up, but when you get a few good years you think you've broken loose and the only way is up! Well, maybe not. Obama is the biggest nothingburger we've ever had in or near the White House, so whatever broke it broke eight years ago or longer. The US has finally used up all the momentum from a rather exciting 20th century, and nobody else on the planet is really stepping up.
Neither Nero nor Caligula destroyed the Roman Empire, they were symptoms as much as problems, and the empire rolled on past them for hundreds more years. Of course back then nobody had mad nukes. Well well well, things will go as they will, won't they. Shed a tear if we must for what is being lost, but don't get carried away about it.
Tax the living shit out of the ultra rich, feed the poor. 5,000% increase in drug price should be met with 5,000% VAT.
Marley, brother, mon, let's eliminate taxes on labor, production, savings, and productive capital accumulation and highly progressively tax the steaming, stinking excrement out of net energy consumption per capita/household, rentier speculation, mortgage lenders' monopoly land resource rents on the artificial scarcity value of land, waste, pollution, and traffic.
5,000% increase in drug price should be met with a rope or a bullet.
Mentioning taxes should be met with a rope or a bullet.
Soz Marley. 5000% increase in drug price should be met with a hail of 5000 high velocity rounds.
Kill these scum, don't trade with them.
Apathy.
We can choose to stay bored and apathetic, and government will become more of an instrument of the rich and powerful against the rest of America. Or we can get active with our fellow citizens and we might just see more government of, by and for the people.
US gov sucks, if Americans can't overthrow it they are doomed. Washington did the same, they now call him a terrorist. If you are not part of the solution, you are another part of the problem. US must be defeated.
"Has departed"? How about it done left the barn kicking its hind hooves and switching its tail as long ago as the 1870s-80s.
PCR doesn't get out much, and neither do I, but I learned 35 years ago that my vote doesn't count when allegedly the US electorate selected a has-been actor and corporate pitchman with premature senility to become the CEO of the militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist corporate-state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHYQ0XiMB34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oiQhhdz8ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kWLUnorTU&list=PLKPPfP2CVoP7K6rPgi8WAa...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9do8A15AWU
Now that I am experiencing premature senility (otherwise known as creeping reality), I'm inclined to cast a vote for Pat Paulsen and Mr. Spock, both of whom are deceased, which, for those among us who are further along the senility spectrum and still presenting a pulse, would quite likely be the better "choices" (???) than what we will be given to affirm in 2016.
Don't waste your vote in 2016, i.e., don't vote to affirm a system in which your vote does not matter.
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My protest is to support Trump.
DEMONCRACY
Actually.
You have a (supposedly) a world leader who is a pervert homosexual , who has made killing people a sport, a video game , using drones.
You have his chummy DavidCamron a satanist who had $sex acts with pig's mouth. The satanists first raise an animal lovingly, then one day they put it within a pentagram with burning candles. Where they kill the animal by stabbing and then have sex with its dead body in order to harvest its soul. (because they loved the animal the soul comes to them attracted by attachment - they believe. Also the sex organ is a spiritual door) They (supposedly) harbor the animal's (or a person's/virgin's) soul within themselves, make it a slave and make it do commands. Thats their beliefs. Is this the secret of success of DavidCamron?
The governments all over the world are no longer of, by & for people . Rather using election funds , the govt. is of, by & for the crony capitalist & cabals.
The crony capitalists & cabal bankers have become puppetmasters , they control Fed, CIA, FBI, police, MPs, prez They are super mafia.
666 rules , rest are all fools.
"Ron Paul Rages: Do not blame America, interventional Neocon the blame for the Syrian catastrophe"
Uai!
It is democracy?
Each and every North American voter is responsible for his government.
In Brazil, all North American that appears with poor face, rub in the face a little democracy.
Saying "it was not me, I was my government" is cowardice!
I ask him: You did not vote?
The guy says no, there Caicus and couscous etc ..
Cum!
I dont understand!
In Brazil voting is compulsory and who votes has no right to run for public office and stuff.
No, I do not understand democracy that impinge on the US.
You preach one thing the rest of the world and make shit indoors.
I will continue to undo Americans citizens in Brazil.
Or you assume that you are a united and cohesive nation or, fuck them.
If voting is compulsory in your country then you do not have a democracy.
A democratic government rules with the consent of the governed.
consent can only be given voluntarily, free of duress.
Then again, like all regimes, I suppose if you don't rise up an kill their ragged arses you are providing your consent.
Putin was not serious. just playing politics -his game of chess with the evil zio-dominated USA/West. He also said he wanted to partner with the US to get rid of ISIS. Of course he was not serious. He, as I , would just as soon get rid of the Zio-US regime and ISIS than to partner with us. He knows our Zio-regime is evil -just as I do. We just need to wake up the AmeriKan sheeple - before it is too late.
I'm going to sleep; I am safe in the arms of Almighty God and Christ has taken away all my sins, past, present and future and He loves me with an everlasting love that cannot be taken away. I am joint heirs with Jesus and He owns everything; therefore I am richer than all the elitist's on earth put together in ways no eye has seen or ear has heard or man can imagine. Praise Him and Him only will I praise.
It is not the job of the sheeple to save America or the entire of the West for that matter.
It is the job of those amongst us who would be hailed as the new Founding Fathers.
The Decline of the West will not be arrested at the ballot box. Forget the sheeple, let them sleep.
It's upon your own soul that you need to settle your anxious gaze.
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"Unemployment is horrendous for European and American youth"
But what we read about are the demographic problems in the West and the need for immigration (to make the problem worse).
When money is the only God.
Then your only god will be money.
“The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.” Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination
Wise and prophetic words.
The corruption of civilisation has taken the form of the Neo-Liberal and Neo-Con ideology that has swept the West and dreamt up by the US aristocracy and bankers.
Why was Lincoln so important?
“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.” - Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln was assassinated like Kennedy who had the same idea.
Why is it important to take money creation away from bankers?
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815
Take money creation away from bankers.