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China Set To Deploy Nuclear Sub That Can Hit US Mainland Targets, Pentagon Says

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China has made two things absolutely clear this year: 1) if Beijing thinks you may be inclined to sell stocks into a falling market, the consequences for you could be dire, and 2) the PLA navy is quite serious about projecting China’s maritime ambitions to the rest of the world.

Evidence of the latter point is readily observable in the South China Sea, where dredgers have been busy for months building man-made islands atop reefs in the Spratlys much to the chagrin of Washington and its regional allies.

Then there was the PLA’s unexpected arrival in Yemen back in March when a naval frigate showed up in Aden and evacuated 225 foreign nationals.

(Chinese soldiers in Yemen)

And who can forget the five ships that cruised by just 12 miles off the coast of Alaska as Obama toured the state.

As if all of that wasn’t enough, at least one commander in Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian Arab Army now claims Chinese personnel are on their way to Latakia. 

All of this comes as Beijing rolls out a new maritime initiative as outlined in the government’s 2015 defense strategy white paper. Here’s an excerpt from the report:

In line with the strategic requirement of offshore waters defense and open seas protection, the PLA Navy (PLAN) will gradually shift its focus from "offshore waters defense" to the combination of "offshore waters defense" with "open seas protection," and build a combined, multi-functional and efficient marine combat force structure. The PLAN will enhance its capabilities for strategic deterrence and counterattack, maritime maneuvers, joint operations at sea, comprehensive defense and comprehensive support.

Now, even as Xi Jinping makes the rounds in the US and attempts to provide the American public with some clarity on a number of issues not the least of which is cyber security, the Pentagon says China is set to deploy a nuclear submarine armed with JL-2 missiles that have the range to hit the US. Here’s Bloomberg with the story:

A new Chinese nuclear submarine designed to carry missiles that can hit the U.S. will likely deploy before year’s end, the Pentagon said, adding to Obama administration concerns over China’s muscle-flexing in Asia.

 

China’s navy is expected this year to conduct the first patrol of its Jin-class nuclear-powered submarine armed with JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency said in a statement. It declined to give its level of confidence on when the new boat will be deployed or the status of the missile.

 

“The capability to maintain continuous deterrent patrols is a big milestone for a nuclear power,” Larry Wortzel, a member of the congressionally created U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, said in an e-mail. “I think the Chinese would announce this capability as a show of strength and for prestige.”

 

Wortzel said his commission’s 2015 report probably will include a comment from PLA Navy Commander Admiral Wu Shengli, who said the submarine-missile combination is “a trump card that makes our motherland proud and our adversaries terrified.”

 

China’s increased naval might, as well as its assertion to territory in the contested South China Sea and East China Sea, has helped spur the region’s largest military buildup in decades and caused disquiet in the U.S. about its role as the region’s peace keeper.

 

China currently has at least four Jin-class submarines. Fifty-one years after the country carried out its first nuclear test, patrols by the new submarines will give Xi greater agility to respond to a nuclear attack, according to analysts.

 

“Of all the PLA strategic deterrence capabilities, the sea-based link is the most closely guarded secret because it is meant to be the most secure of the deterrents for China,” said Koh, who studies China’s naval modernization. 

 

The JL-2 “has nearly three times the range” of China’s current sea-launched ballistic missile “which was only able to range targets in the immediate vicinity of China,” the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence said in an April report on China’s Navy. The JL-2 “underwent successful testing in 2012 and is likely ready to enter the force,” it said. “Once deployed it will provide China with a capability to strike targets” in the continental U.S., it said.

For those curious, here is the JL-2 in action:

And here's a bit more color from the Pentagon's annual report to Congress:

The PLA Navy places a high priority on the modernization of its submarine force. China continues the production of JIN-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs). Three JIN-class SSBNs (Type 094) are currently operational, and up to five may enter service before China proceeds to its next generation SSBN (Type 096) over the next decade. The JIN-class SSBN will carry the new JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) with an estimated range of 7,400 km. The JIN-class and the JL-2 will give the PLA Navy its first credible sea-based nuclear deterrent. China is likely to conduct its first nuclear deterrence patrols with the JIN-class SSBN in 2014.

Ultimately, the deployment was planned and as indicated above, this doesn't exactly come as a surprise to anyone in military circles, but what it does do is underscore the idea that the return to bipolarity is more likely to see China as the counterbalance to US hegemony than it is to see a resurrgent Russia retake its place as US spoiler par excellence. Of course Beijing and Moscow seem generally to be on the same page as evidenced by their security council veto coordination on Syria which means that between the two, the balance of power could move against the US especially if Washington's warnings about the UK's declining military capabilities prove accurate.

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Full report on PLA navy from US Office of Naval Intelligence

2015 Pla Navy Pub Print

 

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Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:45 | 6591001 Squid Viscous
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a great week for Obozo only gets better!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:47 | 6591003 Payne
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sosus net was designed to keep track of Russian subs exiting certain bases.  Really tough to keep track of a China boomer at the same time.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:52 | 6591022 Mostly Harmless
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Supposedly, Chinese "Boomers" are notoriously noisy.  I wouldn't lose too much sleep over a Chinese sub off the West Coast.  Los Angeles or Sea Wolfe class would put a few torpedoes in her the moment she tried to open a silo hatch.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:59 | 6591054 Winston Churchill
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Not for long.The Russians quieted down their subs to the same level as the USN.

A little bi lateral trade, and so will the PLA navy.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:56 | 6591807 roddy6667
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Not true. last year America sailed a flotilla of carriers, fighter planes, missile cruisers, and submarines through the 80 mile wide Taiwan Straits. They were in shock when a Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of it all and then disappeared. They did not see it coming or going. Right then the Navy knew that China's sub fleet is much better than American intel reported.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 05:09 | 6591978 Lurk Skywatcher
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Shhhhh! You're ruining the narrative!

You might cause a few strokes with that level of cognitive dissonance in the trolls.

Next comes the insistance that you provide classified top secret reports to verify this preposterous scenario or it didn't happen, as per the COINTELPRO field manual... 3...2...1...

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:58 | 6592071 Pliskin
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...next comes all the little, mincey, faggot boys with the usual rhetoric...

"But we've got 10,000 aircraft cariers and 50 million nukes and 3 trillion marines, nobody could ever beat us, wah, wah, wah!"

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:55 | 6591036 alphahammer
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Why? They don't have any special technique to not be heard. In fact, they're pretty noisy.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:49 | 6591011 nmewn
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"Evidence of the latter point is readily observable in the South China Sea, where dredgers have been busy for months building man-made islands >>>atop reefs<<< in the Spratlys much to the chagrin of Washington and its regional allies."

Ted Danson, the Green Pope, PETA, Save the Whales and the UN are all over this, ohhh the fucking humanity!

(Sigh)

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:54 | 6591024 kaiserhoff
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Wait until they club some baby seals like the Canucks.

  Oh shit, no one is supposed to know about that;)

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:59 | 6591050 nmewn
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Canadians are "exceptional!!!" ;-)

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:29 | 6591299 Element
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Self-hating whities ... and ... whitie-hating greenies.

That's all The LORD saw fit to make apparently.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:53 | 6591433 nmewn
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Well, it's a little more complicated than that but at this stage of the insanity it'll do...lol.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:17 | 6591636 Element
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If the USA was treated the same way China is by the UN, NGOs, greeeeeens and by certain US Presidents of late, it would have a 26 Trill GDP, a giant space station, a moon base, a very long baseline space telescope, and a space station orbiting Mars, and solar-system capable plasma-drive tech driven by superconducting technologies, quantum computers and resource access beyond humanity's wildest expectations. Same for the whole western world in fact.

Prejudice huh.

OK ... maybe a slight exaggeration ... but you get the idea.  ;-)

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 02:21 | 6591897 bid the soldier...
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Your comment reminds me that every year I go to the Dolce & Gabbana fashion show in Milan.  And when I see the models walking down the runway , dressed in the dernier cri, I think, like your expressive  comment, that I could have been a famous male model.

But unlike you I'm not exaggerating.

But I loved deep dish pizza more than making people swoon.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 05:55 | 6592013 newbie vampire
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"OK ... maybe a slight exaggeration ... but you get the idea.  ;-)"

Nice wish list.   You really believe the Banksters and the 1% would approve expenditure on these toys ?

They haven't even finished sucking out your life force as yet.   You reckon they gonna expend any money on these toys for your benefit ?

It is so much easier to blame everybody else but to look at ourselves.   Did the Russkis and the Chicoms elect the crap as the political leadership of the US ?

Stop looking for Russkis and Chicoms under the bed, it is more likely the NSA listening in on whatever you're doing.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 01:15 | 6591830 bid the soldier...
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you forgot self-loving jews

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:46 | 6591408 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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So this baby seal walks into a club...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:51 | 6591427 nmewn
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...budumpa!...lol.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:51 | 6591015 kaiserhoff
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Once deployed,

  like the land locked air craft carrier?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:54 | 6591018 Jumbotron
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**YAWN**

Wake me in time for when China realizes they just happened to come in at the tail end of the history of cheap energy.

Should be fun to see them control the proles when just about the time they were going to get their piece of the Techno-Utopian Forever Growth pie like the West has had for over 100 years......oopsies.....they can't  get the energy stores needed to feed their own beast domestically,.

Will be fun to see them try to forage for the scraps away from the Russians and the West.

Sweet Dreams (of world wars) are made of this.....   Eurythmics

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:55 | 6591035 kaiserhoff
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Hey, a little respect.

They will have plenty of left over plastic for those submarines.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:01 | 6591061 Winston Churchill
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Fucks with sonar.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 01:13 | 6591826 bid the soldier...
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I love the smell of Anschluss in the morning.

China has plenty of people

Russia has plenty of energy

 

TOGETHER THEY LICKED THE PLATTER CLEAN

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:54 | 6591030 alphahammer
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Taking bets. How long before one of the Chinese subs becomes an artificial reef for divers?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:56 | 6591040 Don Sunset
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If it's got "MADE IN CHINA" on it, that thing will go straight to the bottom the first time they try to raise the periscope, open a torpedo door or dispose of trash.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:03 | 6591076 Automatic Choke
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reminds me of the ancient joke:

"How do you sink a <nation to derogatate> battleship?"

....answer    Put it in water.

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:57 | 6591041 Don Sunset
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If it's got "MADE IN CHINA" on it, that thing will go straight to the bottom the first time they try to raise the periscope, open a torpedo door or dispose of trash.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:19 | 6591134 A Lunatic
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If it has made in china on it Walmart will be stocking them soon.......

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:37 | 6591196 nmewn
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Personally, I'm holding out "hope" they'll have the Pope-Mart doll ready for Christmas!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:12 | 6591311 A Lunatic
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An instant classic. Get your Bobble Head Pope while they last. People will be trampling each other to death to get their hands on them. Nothing a few Hail Mary's won't fix I'm sure........

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:27 | 6591325 Element
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Pope on a Rope?

I started watching him last night talking to the Chamber Pots in Washington and he spoke with such a painful act of theatrical slowness and word spacing that I wondered if he had suffered a stroke.

After a minute or so my thumb, unbidden, auto-jabbed the remote button and he was gone again. Apparently my thumb was not entertained, so I supported my thumb's instincts.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:37 | 6591195 willwork4food
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The requirements for Governemnet ordered products are a bit more stringant than those they ship to the US I would think.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:38 | 6591200 Freddie
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Versus Trayvon America. 

How many Chinese are in Wal Marts with EBT/WIC cards dancing around because it is all free?  Driving cars on sign and drive loans or leases.   Free Shit Army Trayvonville, USSA.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:22 | 6591350 Stevious
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Some Chinese tech is pretty good but there is one thing that they never, ever seem to get right: rubber/elastomer stuff.

The thing will likely leak within a year or two.

It is odd, good machining, true to tenths, but stinky, sticky useless rubber/elastomer goods.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:15 | 6591730 delacroix
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maybe morton thiokol  can help them out.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:04 | 6591048 ThrowAwayYourTV
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Future generations, if there are any, are so fucked!

Little do they know that the human masters who came before them were all defective.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:01 | 6591064 diogenes23
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What, and destroy all those products their people worked so hard to make?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:05 | 6591078 q99x2
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With any luck they will free us from Goldman Sachs and the FED, and Goldman Sachs's control over Washington D.C. In the meantime call Fanny.

Go Xi.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:06 | 6591088 Automatic Choke
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Seriously, it is not in China's interest to bombard the US.  We get real mean and nasty when provoked, as history has shown countless times....whereas we are defocused, scattered, complacent, and fractured if you leave us to fester on our own.  Meanwhile, China's rocketing growth to present, and continued hope to continue moving out of the stone age, is greedy capitalistic markets.  US consumers can't get enough cheap plastic junk from Target and K-Mart, and without those markets, China is on a totally different track.   If China wants to blast anybody, it is Japan or Russia, with whom they have recent historical grudges of much larger caliber and smaller market dependence.

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:06 | 6591089 Skip
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I recall when Billy the KID KILLER Clinton sent, over the objections of the Pentagon, super-computers to China so they could have their ICBMs make course corrections to hit US Mainland.

They STEAL what they can't get through bribery of politicians. Whether through ON SITE espionage or computer hacking they get what they want. Chinese officials were found in IOWA going through a corn field collecting state of the art corn seeds for shipment back to China.

The largest foreign body of students in the USSA is from China, and we have been teaching them all about nuclear and other high tech information.

Then the wholesale shipping of our jobs to China.

Also China ships to US consumers RADIOACTIVE waste hidden in the products and you want to know what .gov does about that? NOTHING!

Years ago His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, was speaking at a University in Washington DC, during his entire talk he was LOUDLY and RUDELY heckled by Chinese students, screams it was an outrage. Of the espionage, commercial and military, conducted via hacking or as at Los Alamos and elsewhere, it has been Chinese, in the case of military ON THE GROUND espionage, US CITIZEN CHINESE.

A Unemployed Reader Describes Language Discrimination By A Chinese(-American) Bank February 22, 2015

Of course, this is de facto racial discrimination–there are
almost no whites fluent in even one kind of Chinese in America.

A White Reader Tells Of Being Rejected By A Chinese-American Firm Even Though He CAN Speak Chinese February 27, 2015

A Software Engineers Writes That Companies That Lose Their Trade Secrets To Chinese Engineers Were Asking For It May 19, 2015

EB-5 Visas: Selling Our Birthright for a Mess of Pottage

An American Defense Worker Cautions Us On Asian Immigrants

Look at the politics now in San Francisco. Indians are hardball players in US also. Frankly this is no longer America and once you understand that you can look at the news reports in a more understandable way. This was all planned, not mere happenstance. You won't like living in a nation that has a majority of people who HATE you because the color of your skin is pale and your eyes are round.

It is not mere supposition on my part, it has been based upon, not just personal experience, but polls done by even the NEW YORK TIMES, on Asian viewpoints of White Americans. Do you think YOUR children will escape it? Or YOU?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:08 | 6591095 Ban KKiller
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Inferior Chinese parts? Count on it. Predict it will not last 3 years in service. 

We have sound bouys EVERYWHERE. If the banks want war, we will have it. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:11 | 6591103 manich
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So China is going to have the abilty to place a nuke from a sub to the US mainland. Why can't the USSA get that abilty to hit China from a sub?

Oh wait................

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:22 | 6591142 Blankone
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At first I was amazed that China did not already have scores of subs capable of hitting the US.  It seems "maybe" they have some diesel subs that are noisy and easy to find.  Of course Russia has diesel subs that are quiet and hard to detect.   Only Russia and China are not aligned closely enough for Russia to share that tech with China. And China will not stick it's neck out for Russia either.

To me this story indicates China is farther behind than I thought.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:22 | 6591748 delacroix
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diesel subs are really electric subs, that need to surface to recharge the batterys.  only noisey while surfaced.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:12 | 6591109 me or you
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New America's surrender flag is pink.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:09 | 6592024 newbie vampire
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"New America's surrender flag is pink."

It is to reflect our new understanding and sensitivity for the downtrodden.

Henceforth all political wannabes must be gay, bisexual, trisexual or transexual.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:21 | 6591117 erk
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I am quite sure China have had the weapons to hit wherever they like on the US mainland for many years since the DF-5 in 1971. I mean they have sent probles to land on the moon! This is just this weeks media attack against China by the US government, like the Spratly island stories.

 

 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:19 | 6592031 newbie vampire
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"This is just this weeks media attack against China by the US government, like the Spratly island stories."

It does excite the cannon fodder and keeps them motivated.

Don't worry guys, we're all rah rah rahing here right behind ya.

Remember the Vietnam vets ?

How about the Iraqi war vets ?

How about the Afghan war vets ?

The Banksters and the 1% thank you for your sacrifice.  

You have done your patriotic duty to protect the homeland, mom and apple pie and more importantly the wealth of the bankers and the elite who kindly enable you to have a fulltime job and sleep in your Honda.  

Now, just go away quietly and die.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:17 | 6591125 loregnum
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China isn't allowed to have stuff that the U.S does. Apparently that is the logic of morons.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:21 | 6591144 A Lunatic
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Bogeyman fatigue........

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:21 | 6591145 JustObserving
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US almost launched nuclear missiles against China on Oct 28, 1962 from Japan:

The main daily mission of Bordne, one of the flight-control specialists called Mech2, was to maintain the ready-to-launch status of Mace B missiles. Normally, once they started an eight-hour shift at the site, they “recycled” a missile, meaning powering down a missile, checking parts of the warhead, nosecone and flight control systems and returning it to ready-to-launch status.

 
“Oh, my God!,” Bordne recalled his colleagues as saying as they turned white with shock and surprise when they received a launch order before dawn on Oct. 28. The order was issued from Kadena to all four Mace B sites in Okinawa including Bolo Point, he said.

 
According to him, the three-level confirmation process was taken step-by-step in accordance with a manual by comparing codes in the launch order and codes given to his crew team in advance. All of the codes matched.

 
“So, we read the targets out loud. Out of the four missiles, we had only one headed toward Russia. The other three were not going to Russia. That, right away, gave us a start to wonder. Because the launch directive said you launch all the missiles,” Bordne said. His crew team was in charge of four out of eight missiles deployed at the site.

 
“And we figured, ‘Why hit these other countries?’ They’ve got nothing to do with this. That doesn’t make any sense,” Bordne said. “So, our captain, the launch officer, said to us ‘We’ve got to think this through in a logical, rational manner’.”


Finally, the launch officer figured out that the order had been mistakenly issued, Bordne said, but added he has no idea why such an order was issued. Even though Bordne did not specify which country had been targeted besides Russia under the order, it is believed to be China considering the Mace B missile range of 2,200-2,300 kilometers.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/01/japanese-news-agency-reveals-...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:26 | 6591163 The Darwin Mode
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"The Pentagon says China is set to deploy a nuclear submarine armed with JL-2 missiles that have the range to hit the US."

Oh! Well, my! The PENTAGON says... In that case, let's all unthinkingly bloat the military industrial complex with whatever money and ideological support they want! Let's just ramp up the "defense" budget to $1 trillion and make America twice as safe! Hell, how about $2 trillion? How safe would that make us? Then we could defend America in Afghanistan AND Iraq AND Syria AND Libya AND Yemen AND Ukraine AND Nigeria AND the EU AND the Philippines AND Japan AND Australia AND Thailand AND South Korea AND...

...just don't ask the Pentagon to defend the US borders.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:41 | 6591206 Freddie
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http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/providing-thats-russian-air-legion...

Looks like Russia brought at least 28 jets inckuding SU-24, SU-25 and SU-30s to Syria plus support planes and Mi-24 attack copters.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:00 | 6591613 David Rockefeller
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Excellent point.  The official figures are a barefaced lie.  The USA is already spending more than a trillion.  See: 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-real-defense-bud...

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:32 | 6592046 newbie vampire
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"...just don't ask the Pentagon to defend the US borders."

They are too busy protecting their ISIS assets.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:46 | 6591225 pocomotion
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If you would just sleep in my White House, I could give you the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,,, 4th through the 14th and more amendments to our Constitution.  Lincoln room anyone?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 20:47 | 6591227 Lookout Mountain
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As the sun sets in the West, it is rising in the East. Such is history.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:37 | 6591784 Gab Timov
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except that China is an economic colony of the West...an investment project. That gets overlooked. How did China grow so much in just three decades? They had help..err investment from Western banks/corporations/governments...which created unemployment in the US and Europe which is causing lack of demand for Chinese goods.

 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:39 | 6592054 newbie vampire
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"They had help..err investment from Western banks/corporations/governments...which created unemployment in the US and Europe which is causing lack of demand for Chinese goods."

Yup, they exported the jobs and they thought they could just turn those formerly working into pure consumers.

Why do chinese goods continue to sell in the States, considering the complaints about their quality ?

Could the answer be........................... it is pretty much what the average American can still afford to BUY ?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:08 | 6591301 djsmps
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As long as they aim for the Washington DC metro area, I think I'm OK with that.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:35 | 6591381 joego1
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+- 4000 miles is the accuracy of a chinese nuke.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:25 | 6613090 Bob
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Seriously?  They took out their own earth-synchronous "space" satellite a few years back.  Accuracy?  I think they got it.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:12 | 6591317 earleflorida
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thank clinton and sandy berger. chinese visit lincoln bedroom and leave with suitcases of unclassified missile techology

yeah, the same clinton that disemboweled the glass-steagall act in 1999.

yes the same clinton that gave us nafta.

indeed, the same clinton that let pakistan build its nuclear program.

yes, it was under clinton's administration in late 2000/ early jan/2001 that gave obl & al-Qaeda to the world, on a silver platter because hillary was worth it.

yes, the same bill clinton married to hitlary that's going to be america's first female president...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:23 | 6591351 yogibear
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Copies of the US subs and ballistic missles thanks to Billy-boy Clinton.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:04 | 6591463 bullybear
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Some of you need to read more carefully - the range is 7k NM - they don't need to sit off OUR coast to launch anything. This is as much a threat as the Russian threat. We can systemically counteract their nuke threat, yes. But we can't account for a submergeable nuke threat. Live by the sword, die by the sword.We no longer have the only Queen on the board.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:05 | 6591464 Manipuflation
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Do they want a cookie?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:05 | 6591466 NoWayJose
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I firmly believe that I will live to see a foreign nuke explode in the United States!

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 04:29 | 6591967 AlfredNeumann
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Hopefully more than one.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:14 | 6591505 ShakaZulu
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Putin to Jinping: "Heads we fire first, tails you launch first."

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:18 | 6591522 rsnoble
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Can't we do something constructive as a planet, like pool our resources and go attack alien planets instead?  We're never gona get off this rock at this pace.  2 steps forward, 3 back.  Of course this time will be more like 1000 steps back.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:34 | 6591561 Dragon HAwk
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Is it just me.. but why would you put a clip of people trying to stuff pillows into a bunch of leaks in your sub into a press release. ? I realize it was probably a training video clip,  but i mean here is our awesome sub, never mind the cadets panicking over leaks with pillows

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:56 | 6591808 bid the soldier...
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Disinformation.

They want the Pentagon to think that Chinese subs are leaky.  This will prevent a sneaky first strike by the Negro.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:44 | 6591580 CHoward
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 And exactly how many does the U.S. have on patrol as we read this article?  Just saying.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 22:52 | 6591592 David Rockefeller
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What an embarrassing claptrap, ZH!  

The Chinese:

1. Are spending a mere fraction of what the U.S. spends on war preparations.

2. Have no (or a handful) overseas bases, while the Americans have over 700 and are deliberately encircling China and supporting subversion of that country, including the training of Muslim terrorists.

3. Try, in their interactions with others, to achieve mutually-beneficial deals.  The USA destroys and exploits countries, and is especially fond of brutal dictatorships (e.g. Saudi Arabia).

4.  The USA contemplated more than once the nuclear destruction of China.

ZH is citing the mainstream press as if they are the purveyors of truth!  How about giving the Chinese perspective? 

Well, let me speak for the Chinese: I am mighty glad that they can, at long last, defend themselves from nuclear blackmail.  

I'm also glad we're moving towards a multipolar world.  Since the breakup of the USSR, we Americans have lost much, because our rulers thought they no longer needed our allegiance.  Well, now with China and Russia rising, they might reevaluate their ongoing program of depriving us of our liberties and prosperity.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:45 | 6592060 newbie vampire
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"they might reevaluate their ongoing program of depriving us of our liberties and prosperity."

Yeah.   High time they give that some thought.

If I'm expected to sleep comfortably in my car, you can go to the front yourself.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:00 | 6591612 Grandad Grumps
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Hopefully if the Chinese are given sufficient reason to use their nuclear subs, they choose the correct targets.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:53 | 6591803 bid the soldier...
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I'm sure there's a joint Russian Chinese committee to prevent over and under nuclear targeting.  

Don't you think?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:51 | 6591690 kaboomnomic
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Nothing to worry. America is superior!! USA Fuck yeah!!

https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/sun-tzus-the/978190490282...

 

Let see..

1.Pearl Harbour.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1948/07/pearl-harbor-in-retr...

 

2. 9/11 WTC.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-...

 

3. Let see full force of much modern weapons of the west? Against peasant from North Korea?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pusan_Perimeter

From 38 pararrel? To just 1 (ONE) province of South Korea (Pusan).

And after YEARS of fighting. Where that lines currently be? 38th pararrel!!

 

4. Let see, AMERICAN MIGHTY WEAPONS? Against walking vietcong with AK-47. WHO runs like COWARDS from Vietnam??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon

 

5. Liberates Iraq from bunch of "TURDS" with AK-47. Did that succeed eh AHMERIKA??

http://antiwar.com/casualties/

 

6. Liberates Afghans from Taleban. Did that succeed also eh AHMERIKA??

http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/military/killed

Looks like your SUPERIOR troops got more killed than 9/11 casualties eh??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

 

7. Libya liberated. Do Libyan thanks you? (Again, what can that bunch of "TURDS" with AK-47 can do eh? Right?)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/21/new-emails-revealed-the-intel...

 

8. After 4 B$ spend on bombing, what that ISIS bunch of "TURDS" can do, right?

http://www.businessinsider.co.id/us-intelligence-isis-is-no-weaker-than-...

 

- - -

 

So, what a bunch of OLD NOISY Chinese subs can do right?

http://thediplomat.com/2015/02/us-admiral-chinese-subs-outnumber-americas/

 

Isn't your GENERAL told you NOT TO WORRY??

And this happened long time ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...

Oh don't worry AHMERIKA has MANY CARRIERS!!

http://theweek.com/articles/557433/navy-risking-everything-fatally-flawe...

Should be NO CONCERN of course. AHMERIKA have MORE SUPER MILITARY HARDWARES. Fuck Yeah!!

 

- - -

 

Err.. Bubba, Lockheed need more money to fund this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/31/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can...

 

Ouh yeah! that ADVANCED AHMERIKA TECHNOLOGY SO SUPERIOR!! Afterall this planes designed to REPLACES FA-18A!!

http://thediplomat.com/2015/07/f-35-loses-dogfight-to-fighter-jet-from-t...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148585/Pentagon-say-reason-expe...

http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/08/f-35-loses-dogfight-to-red-baron/

 

Uhuh.. I see what happens when AHMERIKA ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES fighting enemies carrying AK-47 wearing a bunch of TURDS.

 

AHMERIKA!! Fuck Yeah!! (Isn't that what you likes to said??)

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:00 | 6591707 kappal_toba_dhu...
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Yes Americanos!  Keep fostering business with China. Keep telling yourselves that China  is a "peaceful" country with only "love" in their hearts for you. Yes!  They may throw you a bone once in a while in the form of bulding a high speed train.  But over the long run, their goals are clear - world domination.  

 

And for those of you really brain-damaged Americanos who believe that by learning Mandarin and being friendly with China, that they will  look favorably upon you, take a look at how "favorably" they treat the non-Han minorities in China.  It is all-but cultural genocide.  YOU may not do badly but your children surely will under them. 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:30 | 6591769 Gab Timov
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You'll probably be able to smell it coming though.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:42 | 6591793 Teh Finn
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What's with the footage of the boat taking on water and the semen smothering with pillows?  Do the chinese have a wacky sense of threatening?

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 01:51 | 6591854 datura
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It seems the Double Helix keeps working hard. The Double Helix, or also "comprehensive strategic partnership of Russia and China." For example when asked, who is the leader in this relationship, the Russian UN ambassador said that "We have a division of labour. We take the lead for example in the Middle East, our Chinese partners take the lead in other things."

But I don't think that China will "replace" the USA as the hegemon. Russians are too clever for that and they keep making sure that it won't happen, especially by heavily arming India (whom they are teaching e.g. how to build nuclear submarines, the latest ultra modern Russian fighter jet is also built in cooperation with India) There are now dozens of Russian military companies in India. Russians are also arming Vietnam, Iran etc. etc. Russians are not stupid at all, they will not make the same mistake twice and they will ensure their desired "multipolarity". And this way they will also ensure their own importance as the major "mediator" between all those countries. Lets hope such world will indeed be more fair and just, if several powerful countries exist (instead of just one) and they have to find compromises. 

BTW, the talks that "Putin wants to renew the Soviet Union" are also true - in a certain way.

"Russia is ready to establish military bases in neighboring countries", said Russian PM. "Russia will create more Air Force facilities on the territories of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) member-states, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told journalists at the meeting of the heads of Eurasian Economic Union governments.

I watched an interview with Putin, when they asked him, what he would have done, if he were on the place of Gorbachev. After getting emotional and struggling for words for a while, he finally said that: "The democratic and economic changes should have been made slowly and gradually. And most of all, we should have defended the territorial integrity of our country (the Soviet Union)." A huge applaus from the Russians followed.  

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:56 | 6592069 Batman11
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Russia and China compliment each other very well and have a common enemy, the US.

Russia - Large nuclear arsenal, rich in natural resources

China - World No.1 in manufacturing, large population.

When nations catch up with technology it becomes a numbers game.

China's 1.3 billion population dwarfs the US.

 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:24 | 6592108 DearLeaderMaobama
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That is why we need to pit India and China against each other. Billion vs billion, let them cripple themselves.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 04:59 | 6591975 freethinker69
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USA has 14 ballistic submarines. "Each carry up to 24 Trident II D-5 missiles, with a range of 4000 nautical miles. Each of the Trident II D-5 missiles holds up to 4 nuclear warheads. In total, each Trident warship can carry 96 hydrogen-bomb warheads".

http://www.psr.org/chapters/washington/peace-nuclear-weapons/trident.html

 

One Trident sub carries the power of 5,000 bombs like the one that destroyed Hiroshima. 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 05:23 | 6591988 Lurk Skywatcher
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wank much?

 

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:30 | 6592044 freethinker69
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obviously, not as much as you

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 08:04 | 6592166 AlfredNeumann
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I bet you were playing with your 9mm peepee while you were posting that.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 10:20 | 6592701 freethinker69
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Silly me, of course; this is  about who is the biggest prick.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 05:47 | 6592006 Secret Weapon
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Wonder how much of the technology they got from our little friend Israel?

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/12/world/israel-selling-china-military-te...

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:06 | 6592020 ZeroPoint
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They already launched a demonstration missile off the coast of California. How quickly people forget...

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:09 | 6592081 DonGenaro
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then "we" surely need a new 13-gazillion $ defense project to guard *against* it, don't we

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:13 | 6592088 Grimaldus
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So the chinese despots responsible for murdering 50+ MILLION of their own citizens are posturing capability to murder countless millions moar?

Sick and twisted evil does not even begin to describe it....

 

 

Grimaldus

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 08:14 | 6592186 roadhazard
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A sub that can hit the US mainland... yawn.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 09:04 | 6592313 yellowsub
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What did you think someone is going to do when you announce 20 nukes to be station in Germany as if they're all intended for Russia.

Fri, 09/25/2015 - 09:26 | 6592373 Raul44
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But its still chinese product/quality...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 04:05 | 6601030 onmail1
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