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Chinese Military Personnel, "Aerial Assets" Allegedly En Route To Syria

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On Wednesday evening, we suggested that Vladimir Putin’s explicit promise to go ahead with airstrikes against terrorist targets in Syria with or without the help of the US effectively marks the end of Washington’s years-old effort to destabilize and ultimately remove the Assad regime. 

The Kremlin's pronouncement came just a day after the mainstream media began reporting that Moscow and Tehran are coordinating their efforts on the ground (something which should come as no surprise to anyone) meaning any Sunni extremists and/or CIA-trained “freedom fighters” intent on seizing control of the country will now need to go through Russia and Iran, with the latter now seemingly willing to make the badly kept secret of its military support for Assad no secret at all. 

Of course the thing about irreparably bad situations is that although they cannot, by definition, get better, they can always get worse and for the US in Syria, that would mean China showing up. Beijing has made a concerted effort this year to project the growing power and influence of the PLA navy. That effort has so far involved an unprecedented land reclamation effort in the Spratlys, a “rescue” operation in the Yemeni port of Aden, and a surprise appearance off the coast of Alaska.

(a Chinese soldier in Yemen on March 29)

Given that, and given what we know about Beijing’s support for Moscow and Tehran, the following from pro-Assad Al-Masdar news shouldn’t come as a complete surprise: 

The recent arrival of the Russian Marines and Air Force to the Syrian port-city of Tartous has generated a significant amount of interest around the world, as the possibility of Russia’s direct military intervention becomes the focal point of the war on ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham).

 

Should the Russians begin military operations in Syria, what role with the U.S. led “Anti-ISIS Coalition” play in combatting the terrorist group? Will they coordinate with one another? Will they avoid one another?

 

Russia seems poised to take a similar approach to the U.S. led Coalition; however, they are not seeking the assistance of the neighboring Arab countries to combat the terrorist group.

 

Instead, the Russians appear to have a contingency that involves another world power that was absent from the U.S. led Anti-ISIS Coalition: China.

 

On Tuesday morning, a Chinese naval vessel reportedly traveled through Egypt’s Suez Canal to enter the Mediterranean Sea; its destination was not confirmed.

 

However, according to a senior officer in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) that is stationed inside the Syrian coastal city of Latakia, Chinese military personnel and aerial assets are scheduled to arrive in the coming weeks (6 weeks) to the port-city of Tartous – he could not provide anymore detail.

This comes two years after China warned that turmoil in Syria could have negative implications for the global economy and 18 months after Beijing, along with Moscow, used their security council vetoes to undercut a UN resolution calling for the crisis in Syria to be referred to the Hague. Here's what China had to say at the May 22, 2014 meeting: 

Mr. Wang Min (China) (spoke in Chinese): For over three years, the escalation of the conflict in Syria has inflicted deep suffering on the Syrian people and posed a serious challenge to the countries of the region and the international community. China has always maintained that all parties in Syria should respect human rights and international humanitarian law and prevent innocent people from being harmed during the conflict. China is firmly opposed to all violations of international humanitarian law or serious violations of human rights committed by all parties to the conflict in Syria. However, with regard to draft resolution S/2014/348, on which the Council voted earlier, China has some serious reservations. First, China believes that any action to seek recourse to the International Criminal Court (ICC) to prosecute the perpetrators of serious violations should be conducted on the basis of respect for State judicial sovereignty and the principle of complementarity. China is not a State party to the Rome Statute. China always has reservations concerning the referral by the Security Council of particular country situations to the ICC. This is our principled position.

 

Secondly, efforts to seek a political settlement to the question of Syria are encountering difficulties. The international community must shore up its confidence, remain patient and be steadfastly committed to the overall direction of the political settlement. What is most urgently needed now is to urge the Government of Syria and the opposition to immediately implement a ceasefire and put an end to the violence in order to start a third round of negotiations in Geneva so as to advance the political process and embark on a political transition. In the current circumstances, to forcibly refer the situation in Syria to the ICC is not conducive either to building trust among all parties in Syria or to an early resumption of the negotiations in Geneva. It will only jeopardize the efforts made by the international community to push for a political settlement. 

 

Thirdly, for some time now, the Security Council has maintained unity and coordination on the question of Syria, thanks to efforts by Council members, including China, to accommodate the major concerns of all parties. At a time when seriously diverging views exist among the parties concerning the draft resolution, we believe that the Council should continue holding consultations, rather than forcing a vote on the draft resolution, in order to avoid undermining Council unity or obstructing coordination and cooperation on questions such as Syria and other major serious issues. Regrettably, China’s approach has not been taken on board; China therefore voted against the draft resolution.

Yes, "regrettably China's approach has not been taken on board" and so, more than a year later that approach might have just shifted to a strategy that involves direct military intervention on behalf of Assad. 

For now, this is still in the realm of speculation as the story cited above certainly falls short of providing anything in the way of conclusive evidence for a claim that the Chinese military is set to intervene directly. That said, the last several weeks have proven that the situation in Syria is remarkably fluid and what seems far-fetched one day has the potential to become reality the next, which is why we contend that Xi Jinping very well may decide that Raqqa is as good a place as any to test out some of the equipment that was on full display in Beijing earlier this month.

 

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Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:15 | 6590268 Freddie
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This is not Free Republic web site where all the evangelicals and NeoCons worship Bibi. 

They will gladly send their American children off to go die for Israel and Ssoros.   They wish their daddy and grandaddy had been on the USS Liberty to sacrifices their lives for the Greater Israel and Hollywood.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:49 | 6588887 Tall Tom
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Damascus will be leveled.

 

All roads point to Meggido.

 

As for the ascendancy for the Antichrist I am certain that it will be revealed as the new Temple is completed as the Church of Rome is relocated.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:29 | 6589141 lincolnsteffens
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Would that location happen to be in a certain neighborhood in NYC where people with diplomatic immunity hang out?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:34 | 6589179 atomicwasted
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OH GOD NO ONE HAS EVER FOUGHT IN SYRIA BEFORE IN THE LAST 2000 YEARS

THE ROMANS AND THE OTTOMANS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE NEVER HAD A WAR THERE

SO THIS TIME THAT THERE IS A WAR THERE IT MUST BE THAT JESUS AND MOHAMMED WILL FLY DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO WATCH

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:43 | 6589234 Rhett72
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Gog and Magog already invaded the Holy Land in 1948.  The Khazars are the tribe of Magog according to their own claims.  This is more likely the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 and 39 when Gog and Magog (Zionists) are destroyed and the Holy Land returned to the actual descendants of Abraham (the Palestinians) from whom it was stolen.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Gog-Khazars-Destroy-Plunder/dp/1930004834

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:09 | 6589716 Volkodav
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Gen 10 2-5 

 

 

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:15 | 6589745 Rhett72
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Thank you for the Biblical reference.  Magog was the uncle of Ashkenaz, the ancestor of the Ashkenazi "Jews" who founded the Zionist entity.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:17 | 6590279 Freddie
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When do the Zios get the karma back for their Bolsheviks murdering 25 million Christian Russians?  Soon I hope.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:10 | 6588618 Dragon HAwk
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I See your bet and Raise you....

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:12 | 6588629 hedgeless_horseman
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I wonder if Aeroflot is going to charge them for all the extra baggage.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:19 | 6588687 KnuckleDragger-X
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that's all carry-on.....

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:54 | 6588925 hedgeless_horseman
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...just one of the benefits of a bullpup carbine.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:45 | 6589248 Rhett72
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I flew on Aeroflot recently.  Beautiful stewardesses and decent food.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:12 | 6588630 sunaJ
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They will be deploying several escalators around state-controlled areas to dissuade jihadist attacks.

http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=escalator

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:12 | 6588632 NubianSundance
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Congratulations for a complete snafu for US and British foreign policy, entirely self inflicted.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:12 | 6588633 kaboomnomic
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The more? The merrier..

Should invites North Korea next.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:14 | 6588649 Keyser
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Let me get some popcorn, this shit is about to get real... 

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:43 | 6588849 Syrin
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Monsanto approves

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:14 | 6588651 Vilaniousone
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The IRON DRAGON, finally awakens. 

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:19 | 6588685 Handful of Dust
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"General Long Er Wong could not be reached for comment."

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:15 | 6588656 Chuck Knoblauch
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It looks like the Russians and Chinese will defend Syria from the US Jew proxy known as ISIS.

Just because it looks that way doesn't mean it's true.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:20 | 6590289 Freddie
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How the Russians quietly moved 28 military aircraft into Syria.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/23/how-the-russians-deployed-28-aircra...

The photographs taken from space gave us the possibility to identify the combat planes as 4x Su-30SMs, 12x Su-25s (based on their color scheme, these are Su-25SMs belonging to the 368th Assault Aviation Regiment from Budyonnovsk) and 12 Su-24M2s along with about a dozen helicopters, including 10 Mi-24PN, Mi-35M and a couple of Mi-8AMTSh choppers, from the 387th Army Aviation Air Base Budyonnovsk.

The Russian jets are awesome looking.  Not like that flaming pile of shit the F-35 which can barely fly.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:47 | 6590704 X_Weatherman
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They shouldn't park them so close tgether and all in a row like that.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:17 | 6588671 teslaberry
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hahah. the ICC is such garbage. at least the chinese got that right.

the whole edifice of international affairs is just the thin veneer of civility between nations otherwise prepared to escalate to world war to achieve their interests. that said, they already are at war, it's just 'managed' war.

so........if you think that's all bad, you haven't educated yourself enough about world war.

then again, i believe the interntional affairs civil narrative is not upheld jsut by its own 'virtue' of civil culture and relations. but also, because major nations aer simply too afraid to initiate world war 3. there is too much too lose, so they play this dance allowing people at the u.n. and ambassadors to think they matter , and that being the reason the interntional civic culture exists, as opposed to the real politique balance of mututally assured destruction that holds military generals in check.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:18 | 6588679 Dr. Engali
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Yeah, this shit is getting more fucked up every day. I always thought Iraq would be the place where everything came to a head, but Syria? Close enough I guess.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:27 | 6588727 saints51
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A lot of reading of old stuff has pointed to Damascus. On a side note when US was looking at China's build up of man made islands for military purposes, Didn't China came out in a press conference and state something big would happen in October. This was a few months ago around the time they were telling US  you go, you go now.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:38 | 6589208 Thought Processor
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Things that make you go hmmm.....

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:43 | 6589236 Dr. Engali
Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:03 | 6589344 saints51
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Yep I believe that is the article. Appreciate that.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:07 | 6589362 researchfix
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Spell Mediterranian. Middle of the Earth.

Absolutely clear that China is an interested party to the middle of Earth.

Just like USA is absolutely important to China Sea.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:11 | 6589949 Flagit
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From what I read, the Russians plan on tag-teaming Syria AND Iraq at the beginning of October.

The daily sitereps will be EPIC!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:23 | 6588709 Lost in translation
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Is it just me or does Chinese gear & loadout all look copied from someone, somewhere else?

Do they make any original designs of their own, or just copy and embellish?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:37 | 6588809 Lucky Leprachaun
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Just copy and embellish. It was always thus.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:49 | 6589275 BigJim
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Yes, I'd heard they stole gunpowder from the Little People in Ireland.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:48 | 6588880 The_Small_Lebowski
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why is a whiteboard white?

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:56 | 6588936 Lost in translation
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Yikes, four downvotes.  I guess there are mainland Chinese kids surfing ZH...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:24 | 6588712 surf0766
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B.O starting WWIII

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:36 | 6588802 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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Help usher in that anti-chirst obama. Piece. of. shit. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:27 | 6588726 roadhazard
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The more the merrier.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:28 | 6588730 NubianSundance
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Must be time to accidentally bomb a Chinese embassy again.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:23 | 6589100 Thought Processor
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Calling that an accident was just a complete farce.  

 

The backstory on that whole ordeal was pretty wild.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:14 | 6589960 Flagit
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The backstory on that whole ordeal was pretty wild.

I don't remember the premise without Google. I do remember it was straight-up retaliation for something political.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:08 | 6589370 researchfix
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But this time its not for free.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:28 | 6588739 Sanity Bear
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Looks like anti-US powers have found the weakest link in the Empire's policy. If the Russian-Chinese-Iranian axis succeeds where the Western coalition failed, it will mark a profound event in the changing of the global security landscape.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:36 | 6588798 Lucky Leprachaun
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True.  And I think they will  succeed. IMHO ISIS  could have been taken out long ago.  Most of their territorial gains came through driving huge colums of trucks and armored vehicles along highways, totally exposed to air/drone attack. Which very seldom occurred.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:01 | 6589264 TimmyB
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It has become fairly obvious that the U.S. has little interest in taking out ISIS. In Syria, we are more like allies than enemies. This is the beauty of Russia and perhaps China's recent actions in Syria. Our government claims to be fighting ISIS, so how can it publicly object to Russia and China actually fighting them? It can't, without being exposed to the world as a liar and a fraud.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:53 | 6590753 X_Weatherman
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"It can't, without being exposed to the world as a liar and a fraud."

I think most of the world, except dumb Americans, caught on by now.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:21 | 6589987 Flagit
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How can they NOT succeed?

They only way they do not, is if Vlad rolls up to the UN meeting next week in a custom SUV w/gold rims, wearing a suit that would make Deon Sanders jealous, solid-gold sunglasses, and an entourage that looks like they were sponsored by Hugo Boss.

If THAT happens you will know without a doubt that someone got to him.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:43 | 6588844 atomicwasted
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SCO.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:50 | 6588886 Chuck Knoblauch
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This is a strange way to surrender.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:10 | 6589023 The Gladiator
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Say hello to the petro-Yuan.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:30 | 6588751 ZippyDooDah
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That didn't take long.  American super power days are over.  That's a good thing for the world.  No more dictat.  More like, tit for tat.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:31 | 6588762 NoWayJose
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And who said Obama could never build a coalition of nations to fight ISIS?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:55 | 6590768 X_Weatherman
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Good chuckle.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:32 | 6588763 nnnnnn
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1 week back someone said chinese will get involved too    he was badly downvoted

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:52 | 6588906 Omega_Man
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that was me... thanks for remembering... roast the neo cons... meet the new boss

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:04 | 6588981 Blano
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I congratulated you down below.  IIRC you even called the time frame?

By all means tell us more if you did.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:33 | 6588773 Savyindallas
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The Russian and Chinese armies lack the diversity that makes us strong. With our gay commander in chief, newly appointed gay and lesbian generals of all races and creeds, women on the front lines -we have a big advantage. The powerful British Navy ruled the seas for centuries. Most of their sailors were gay. Churchill himself (closet homosexual) admitted this. At least this is what a gay friend of mine explained recently. He better be right or we could someday see the Russkies and Chinese storming the beaches of Los Angeles.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:41 | 6588831 iClaudius
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Churchill was hardly a closet homosexual, he attended Harrow School for goodness sakes, it's part of the entrance exam (excuse the pun.)

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:25 | 6590006 Flagit
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Ick and dismay.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:33 | 6588775 iClaudius
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Yet again the adults have to clean up the mess made by the adolescent US.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:34 | 6588776 css1971
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Fuck. Those ISIS guys must be REALLY dangerous!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:34 | 6588780 Lost in translation
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Addendum:

Sometimes appears as though Syria/Levamt region has some WWI "tripwire" potential, givent the growing numbers of larger powers acting in the region.

** It's worth noting that China has a large military, but no combat experience.  Also, it's newer weapons remain untested in combat, as well.

How do you think they will perform in the field?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:40 | 6588825 MoHillbilly
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Maybe that is why they are there. A chance to do some small scale, live testing on someone armed and trained by the west.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:56 | 6588940 Lost in translation
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+1

Makes sense.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:33 | 6590045 Flagit
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Yes, and no. They have determined that if left unfettered, these extremist groups back by the US will eventually gain more ground in the new coalitions respective countries. That was really part of the plan all along. A pipeline was just a bonus to keeping Chi-Russia contained.

The articles I am reading state they are not there to save Assad or the other guy in Iraq, but to stop the spread of extremism from coming back home. Better to tear up someone else's yard than your own.

And yes, having a two week scrimmage to test out your battle readiness is always a bonus.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:35 | 6588786 NuYawkFrankie
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Time to round-up the authors of this mess

- The FUK'N ZIO-NEOCONS!!!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:36 | 6588799 besnook
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here comes the 200 million man army from the east. this is getting spooky in a biblical way. the one good thing about it is there will only be about two of us left after armageddon so there won't be many bible beaters smugly telling everyone they told you so.

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:28 | 6589006 cowdiddly
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Actually the number mentioned of the great army from the north from memory was 144,000 x 144,000. I did the math years ago (hint it was over a billion. two actually). And I ask meself hmmmmmmm........I wonder who that could be? derp

or its a just a number represention the square root of the number 12 which just means a shitload or some perfect number or something. lol.

or It was predicting shit that done happened: the Roman legion Christian killin Jerusalem sackin shit with the 7 kings and one that is, was and yet to be meaning Nero's second coming or Diocletain.

The second beast where no one could buy and sell without the mark of the beast was just the mandatory image of that emperor dickhead on the coins.

Take yur pick. Being in Roman exile and talking in code by necessity when it was written, I think it was about the Romans myself personally and people are reading too far into it and reaching, trying to make it fit things today.

And besides Matt 24 tells you all you need to know. No man will know and like a thief in the night. But there is the parable of the figs thingy where you might get a hint something is amiss or near.

In summary: Enjoy yr freakin life, live well and quit worring about crap you can't control or change, fix the things you can.

Bombs away

 

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:02 | 6589917 DosZap
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"here comes the 200 million man army from the east. this is getting spooky in a biblical way. the one good thing about it is there will only be about two of us left after armageddon so there won't be many bible beaters smugly telling everyone they told you so."

 

Yes there will,this won't be Armageddon,it will be just WWIII.( Armageddon comes when all the nations come against GOD,and then will the end come.)

Armageddon comes later,but you are correct there will NOT be alot of Bible beaters smugly(truthfully),saying anything they will have been removed beforehand.If you are still here, woe unto you,you can still enter,but the DOOR in just got exponentially tougher for the ones left behind.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:36 | 6590067 Flagit
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I have never been a fan of exclusive "clubs".

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:31 | 6590340 magnetosphere
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that's why i'm starting a new cult.  the only requirement for entry is you have to find 2 new recruits. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:39 | 6588811 conscious being
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Shàngdì yu n? tóng zài

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:38 | 6588814 Savyindallas
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Balance of power politics kicking in. The Russians, Chinese, Iranians and others have finally figured out that if they don't unite and maintain a solid, common front, we will pick them off one by one. Retoring the balance of power should be a stabilizing force in the world, though in the short term, the risk of another major world conflict is increased. The West and America are run by dangerous lunatics, with populations of sheeple, most of whom have no clue what is going on, other than the daily Owrellian propaganda they receive from the controlled media. This is a very dangerous situation.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:40 | 6588828 conscious being
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Yes Savy.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:44 | 6588856 atomicwasted
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Hence the point of the Shanghai Cooperative Organization.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:25 | 6589114 smacker
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"The Russians, Chinese, Iranians and others have finally figured out that if they don't unite and maintain a solid, common front, we will pick them off one by one."

Well put. That's my reading too of what's going on, and not just in military terms.

And they're spot on.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:14 | 6589395 Sturm und Drang
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Especially when the MIC decides to through its petulant tantrums in the homeland after they get their ass handed to them in the ME.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:36 | 6589821 Fractal Parasite
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Cold War 2.0 coming into view.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:47 | 6589865 TAALR Swift
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Russia and China are now also starting to do what the USA has been doing for decades: Periodic engagement in limited warfare.

It is not enough to have the people and technology, if they are not fully tested in the battlefield.

It is necessary to conduct System-level Planning, Command & Control, Operations, and Supply Chain Management in a dynamic environment of warfare. This allows people, assets, technologies and processes to get vigorously tested and evaluated. This leads to opportunities for improvement in the Quality cycle of warfare.

Limited engagements in proxy wars are good for the MIC or the super powers. It's good for their security and good for business sales, lest the MIC of these superpowers lose too much market share. Clearly it is not so good for the people affected in the proxy war regions, even though the death rate due to global conflicts is lower than the world's birth rates, and the human species keeps growing in numbers and devouring resources.

Has TAALR provided balance and perspective to this topic?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:39 | 6588817 quasi_verbatim
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Chink boots on the ground is just what the situation needs.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:39 | 6588821 FranSix
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Yay! Do Jinpeng in a French maid's costume, here to do the housecleaning! With lipstick!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:44 | 6588854 22winmag
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Who could have forseen this?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53 | 6588912 besnook
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that's the rub, isn't it? of course they foresaw this. they wanted it. they being the zionazis. putin had a choice, at his time and place. confront the zionazis in ukraine or syria. putin chose syria. apparently now is the best time.

that fortune cookie warning about living in interesting times was a huge psyop to prepare americans for this moment.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:44 | 6588859 I Write Code
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Chinese got airplanes?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:16 | 6589409 researchfix
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They have friends with airplanes.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:11 | 6589723 I Write Code
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Fireworks, we know they gots fireworks.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:48 | 6588872 VladLenin
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What's Chinese for "Fuck you Obama, you fucking fuck?"

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53 | 6588910 Spaceguy
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According to google translate :D

 

???????????????

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:55 | 6588929 Spaceguy
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Opps sorry no chinese characters allowed here. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:55 | 6588930 Spaceguy
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Opps sorry no chinese characters allowed here. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:31 | 6589508 Calmyourself
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CHINESE TRANSLATION:  3 fucking divisions on amphib's on the way to kick ass protected by Yakhonts and s400's..

Still no confirmation....

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:52 | 6590331 Freddie
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Russian planes mapping all of Syria now for locating ISIS rats.

https://twitter.com/pfc_joker/status/647039516356837376

 

http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/damascus-huge-counter-offensive-sta...

 

Canthama says: September 24th, 2015 at 3:12 PM [Level 10 - Cesar]

An-22 Russia's reconnaissance aircraft spotted above Idlib, this is 1000 fold better than drones, those guys are mappin every rat on the ground. Great!

https://twitter.com/pfc_joker/status/647039516356837376

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:50 | 6588896 joego1
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For some reason I have a hard time imagining Chinese soldiers actually fighting.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:58 | 6588944 besnook
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the only thing dad ever said about the wars he participated in was the korea bugout when the chinese swarmed across the border. he was in intel and he said the reports were that the chinese just overran positions no matter what their own casualties were. it was a slaughter and the chinese were willing to get slaughtered to get wehat they wanted. they have the manpower to do it.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:05 | 6588988 joego1
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I guess that is one way to control the population. Unfortunately for the Chinese they have a shortage of young people to throw at the problem. Gotta be back home feeding grandpa and grandma.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:17 | 6589424 researchfix
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Yes, but a shortage still means hundreds of millions.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:41 | 6590101 Flagit
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Can you just imagine, if MacArthur had gotten his way, and laid down a stip of toxic waste for them to march through, like he wanted to?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:54 | 6589632 Volkodav
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better you ask Vet of Korea "police action" before post ignorance

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53 | 6588914 Martin T
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And that my friends is how you play chess...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:05 | 6589353 Victor von Doom
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That's what I said over a fortnight ago...

09/10/2015 "Can't wait for China to send troops to defend Assad. Checkmate suckers."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/major-humiliation-obama-iran-ha...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53 | 6588915 RatNuts
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Russian and the Chinese, the new world military power?  

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53 | 6588916 Brokenarrow
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Armageddon. And, people like that old whore Carly? A very dangerous time is coming. It's time to go shopping for protection. In my wildest dream I never thought I'd say that.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:05 | 6588986 Calmyourself
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Seriously??  What good are condoms right now...

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:12 | 6589031 TongueStun
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Do you suck Obama's dick literally AND figuratively?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:55 | 6588920 pocomotion
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Give me back my bullets, put em back where they belong

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:58 | 6588922 praxis
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I hate to burst any bubles but...what makes you think Russia/China is going to be any more successful bringing "stability" to the Middle East?  Please dont get me wrong, I understand we've made things a clusterf***...but seriously. arent they making the same mistake we made?  I'm no fan of ISIS/Langley, but dont you think they're getting themselves into a quagmire?  Yeah sure China projecting power, Vlad as defender of truth I get it but...why are they "different" than our stupidity?  No fan of BIBI but Zion is reality whether we want it to stop or not...BiBi will start the bleeding process slowly at first...Uncle Sugar will make sure ISIS is well fed...and the lovely Royals in Riyadah will surly love to see bar b q bear along with burned General Tao...

Please someone explain how this is "differnt" than any other retarded western adeventure

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:59 | 6588949 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Iranians don't shout death to China or Russia.

The Sunnis are the problem.

The old Ottoman Empire held them together.

The new empire will not be Israel.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:00 | 6589335 BigJim
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Yes, there seems to be a general feeling here that somehow Russia (and China) will manage to pacify a middle-eastern country better than "we" did.

Unless ISIS are genuinely unpopular amongst the millions of Sunnis they're hiding amongst, the Russians will face the same exhausting guerrilla tactics they faced in Afghanistan, and that we face(d) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Except ISIS has much, much better weaponry than those previous insurgents.

We may well be hearing reports of Russian tanks, jets and helicopters getting the shit blown out of them, within a mere few weeks.

Just because they're not ZATO doesn't grant them magical powers, people.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:11 | 6589387 spyware-free
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Not going to happen (unless ZATO directly confronts Russian assets). ISIS will be blasted from afar without concern for anything living in the surrounding area. Russia's MO in these matters are typically;
1. Warn those that can leave to leave.
2. Destroy with malice anything that is left over.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:18 | 6589436 BigJim
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The Russians were brutal in Afghanistan. They still lost.

"We" were brutal in Indochina. "We" still lost.

Furthermore, "we" were brutial in Iraq. Don't let the MIC tell you we were too gentle; something like a million Iraqis died courtesy of "our" invasion, doesn't sound too "gentle" to me.

If the Russians give notice that they're going to level an area, ISIS will leave along with the civilians. What are the Russians going to do - round up every "military-aged" male and detain them?

The only hope Russia has is to encircle ISIS and stop them getting resupplies. That's going to take a lot of doing.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:39 | 6590371 BigJim
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Lots of red arrows. Aw! I'm sorry; did I puncture the myth of Russian omnipotence? Where's Freddie to remind us they're all white Christians, therefore unbeatable?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:04 | 6589347 Jethro
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My honest guess is that when Russia or China rolls in, their leadership isn't worried about how they are polling in Iowa. They'll fight, and fuck literally everything up on the way in or out. Women and children get in the way? Too bad for them. They have the stomach to do this correctly, and won't be handicapped by some retarded ROE. They won't be there to win hearts and minds. They'll be there to shoot bad guys in the face.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:22 | 6589463 researchfix
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Much as I like your drift. But Russians care about people.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:42 | 6589569 Jethro
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I wasn't talking about the Russians as much as I was the Chinese. I can see the Russians doing support and logistics, if the PLA shows up with the whole team to play ball. With Russian air support and logistics, the PLA isn't as likely to have a repeat of of their 1979 fiasco in Vietnam.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:41 | 6590385 BigJim
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 Much as I like your drift. But Russians care about people.

As demonstrated in their occupation of East Germany, at the end of WWII. All that caring! It was no wonder so many Germans flocked Eastward when they knew the Russians were coming.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:30 | 6590954 X_Weatherman
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You are projecting U.S. shock-and awe, du, and drone murdering on the Ruskies.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:48 | 6591009 Calmyourself
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ROE's can change rapidly for any force so constrained.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:26 | 6589609 Victor von Doom
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"Please someone explain how this is "differnt" than any other retarded western adeventure"

Easy. This will not be conducted like a US military adventure, but a war. As such it will be political and have a political outcome.

America is crap at war, understanding only battles, not war– which is why the US always shoots for total victory – the regime does not know how to negotiate.

Putin on the other hand is a master of negotiation.  Just look at his coalition: Russia, Syria, Iran, China.

Together they will make short work of the US proxies, secure Syria and begin rebuilding.

Infiltrating guerrillas will be entering hostile terrain, as the people of Syria will not want further destabilisation, but will enjoy the newly established security.

Why won’t this be another Vietnam? Simply put, because the Russians and co. will not be stupid enough to demand total domination of everything that happens in Syria under their protection.

They’ll negotiate the terms of their ongoing presence and thereby gain local popular support. Guerrillas can’t operate in that environment, so any further aggression has to enter across borders and can be quickly quashed on the diplomatic front. Either that or direct confrontation with the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be in the offing.

Russia doesn't need to install a proxy, or crush the will of the people. The legitimate ruler of Syria is a Russian satellite. It's the US and its stooges that are the interlopers here, not the Russians - they're the cavalry charging to the rescue.

This will end the proxy war for Syria. That’s my call. Let’s wait and see. 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:45 | 6590402 BigJim
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It'll be a cakewalk!

I'm afraid there are millions of Sunnis who don't regard Assad as a legitimate ruler anymore. But I'm sure that won't stop them giving the same Syrian army that bombed them a big warm welcome.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:45 | 6590130 Flagit
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For starters, they prob won't be dropping supplies on ISIS anymore. In fact, that FIRST time will be hillarious! They will all run out to meet the plane, and one moment they are all looking up, the next minute it's a pile of limbs and a pile of sandles.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:56 | 6590195 Sanity Bear
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For starters, the Russians won't be funding their own opposition in an effort to keep Russian military contractors on an endless gravy train.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:54 | 6588926 Mr.Kowalski
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300,000 Chinese troops

How do you propose they feed, transport and supply such a large force ?? Impossible. Maybe 1/10 of that number is possible however.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:06 | 6589354 Jethro
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Well, when you have a naval port, and you're laying waste to everything in front of you, the logistics get a little easier.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:19 | 6589441 Sturm und Drang
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William Tecumseh Sherman, you magnificent bastard - I read your book!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:50 | 6589611 CheapBastard
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<<How do you propose they feed, transport and supply such a large force ?? Impossible. Maybe 1/10 of that number is possible however.  >>

 

Stir-fry the captured ISIS fighters.

 

A little red pepper and soy sauce.....mmmm!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:24 | 6589782 Jethro
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HA! If the PLA did that, they'd let the French off the hook for the cannibalism at Ma'arra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma'arra

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:17 | 6588933 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Pope met with Putin before coming to DC.

I wonder what they talked about?

Everyone is waiting for the shoe to drop from the body of the sacrifice.

Does the Pope where red or white shoes.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:21 | 6589457 Sturm und Drang
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Probably cultural similarities between the priesthood and the ME locals.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:59 | 6588946 Banker Buster
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Russia and China will devistate ISIS then look like a hero to the world.  U.S. dragged its feet too long.  U.S. needed to execute their plan quicker.  

Putin 42 - Obama 0.  That's a rough count, but those numbers have to be in the ball park.  Without a doubt we need better leadership.  I guess this is what you get when you hire a community organizer to run a country, but at least the dumb fucks out there got some free shit.

 

End the Fed before the Fed ends U.S.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:17 | 6589058 smacker
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"U.S. dragged its feet too long.  U.S. needed to execute their plan quicker."

Don't assume that Washington ever had a plan to deal wth ISIS, other than to rein them in a little.

Putin has now called their bluff.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:44 | 6589237 Freddie
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+100

Bingo.   Putin used a litlle of his judo on them.   Syria asked us to come in to help with fighting ISIS.  What can the USA say?  Nothing.  

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:50 | 6590163 Flagit
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What do you mean by "us", Freddy?

Are you a Ruskie?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:59 | 6588948 CHoward
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Americans - Russians - Chinese - Syrians - Iranians - ETC.  Look at the map and tell me this isn't leading up to Armageddon or damn close.  This is NOT an area in the world where you want all these powers to be simultaneously.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:17 | 6588982 Chuck Knoblauch
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Sure you do if you want peace.

Everyone is going to hold hands and live happily ever.

Denver Airport has it all depicted on its walls.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:21 | 6589085 Freddie
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Americans?  Anyone who let's their kid join up to fight for these evil psychopaths is a fool.  They just murder people and destroy countries to loot them.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:02 | 6588972 Blano
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Congrats to whoever it was on here who called this a day or two ago.

Please come back and tell us more.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:03 | 6588975 orangegeek
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FUCK YA!!!!   LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!!!! LONG OVERDUE!!!!

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:09 | 6588984 Freddie
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Great picture of Russian Sukhois parked in Syria.  Looks like at least 20+ jets.

http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/damascus-huge-counter-offensive-sta...

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPebu5xUAAAiAex.jpg:medium

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:05 | 6588989 Hannibal
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Russia’s False Hopes — Paul Craig Roberts

"Russia so desperately desires to be part of the disreputable and collapsing West that Russia is losing its grip on reality.

Despite hard lesson piled upon hard lesson, Russia cannot give up its hope of being acceptable to the West. The only way Russia can be acceptable to the West is to accept vassal status.

Russia miscalculated that diplomacy could solve the crisis that Washington created in Ukraine and placed its hopes on the Minsk Agreement, which has no Western support whatsoever, neither in Kiev nor in Washington, London, and NATO.".....

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/23/russias-false-hopes-paul-crai...

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:10 | 6589017 Chuck Knoblauch
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When did Paul speak with Vlad?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:14 | 6589744 MadVladtheconquerer
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Sounds like PCR is off his anti-psychotics again.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:06 | 6588994 Mick Shrimpton
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All I have to say to the Russians and Chinese is good luck.  They're not going to be able to bomb and shell their way to victory.  It's going to be a dirty war that will have to be won with bullets and blood.  Keep in mind that ISIS is far bigger, better equipped and better trained than the Mujahideen.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:13 | 6589035 Freddie
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The Russians, Syrians, Hezbollah and maybe Chinese just need to cut off their resupply.   C-130's or C-17s will be shot down.  No seas based resupply either.

Cover the borders and then slowly close in and kill off the ISIS rats.

ISIS versus the Russians or Hezbollah?  Good luck.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:17 | 6589060 Mick Shrimpton
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We shall see Freddie.  Grab your popcorn because it's gonna be a really good show.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:25 | 6589113 Freddie
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Not really a good show because the NWO/Obama?EUSSR are destroying America, Europe, Canada, et al with open borders and their evil.

I would bet 50% of ISIS pissed off already and are in Europe and heading to America.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:31 | 6589507 researchfix
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The main rats are already in Germany.

Or are the heroes of Spain.

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:23 | 6589476 Sturm und Drang
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-They're not going to be able to bomb and shell their way to victory-

Why not?

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:35 | 6589538 Volkodav
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doubt their training   a few groups, but most are murderous gangs quality

discpipline is less..these often lose order and fight among themselves

equipped?  some for present...but cut supply lines is exposed compared to Afghanistan

mujahhideen relied not gun mount toyota convoys

 

Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:06 | 6588999 Omega_Man
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