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Obama, Putin To Meet On Syria As Tension Builds Ahead Of Russian Offensive Against ISIS
By now, it’s no secret that Moscow has officially called an end to the US policy of utilizing Sunni extremists to destabilize the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
What began months ago with rumors of Russian troops operating alongside the Syrian Arab Army culminated on Wednesday with reports that Vladimir Putin will bomb ISIS positions to support Assad with or without the help of US forces. What that means is that if the US was indeed adopting a “containment strategy” vis-a-vis ISIS (versus mounting a serious attempt to defeat Bakr al-Baghdadi’s army) in order to effectively ensure that Assad would be unable to stabilize the country, the game is now up, as Moscow is set to eliminate any and all threats to the regime.
That, along with the fact that Russia and Iran are now coordinating their military efforts in support of their mutual ally in Damascus, presents Washington with a serious problem. As we’ve detailed on a number of occasions, the US now must decide between admitting that ousting Assad (and thereby refusing Russia’s offer to join forces against ISIS) takes precedence over combatting terror or else relent and assist Moscow and Tehran with stabilizing the very regime the US and its regional allies have sought to remove for at least ten years.
Although admitting that the fight against ISIS is not America’s top priority is quite clearly not an option, allying with Russia and Iran is apparently so detestable a proposition that The White House will delay a decision for as long as absolutely possible in what’s likely an attempt to use diplomatic back channels to try and see if there’s another way out that allows Washington to save face.
With the pressure building, Obama is now set to meet directly with Putin next week following the Russian President’s speech to the UN General Assembly. As Reuters notes, both the US and Russia are keen on spinning the narrative in a way that pleases their respective electorates:
U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet in New York next week at a time of high tension in Europe and the Middle East, but the Kremlin and the White House disagreed on Thursday over the top priority for the talks.
The White House insisted the meeting would focus on eastern Ukraine, where Russian-backed forces are fighting the Kiev government, prompting tough sanctions that have damaged Russia's economy.
Moscow, however, said the main focus would be on Syria, where Russia has built up its military forces in recent weeks with combat aircraft, tanks and other equipment in support of President Bashar al-Assad.
Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters: "Of course, the primary topic will be Syria." Asked whether Ukraine would be discussed, he said: "Well, if time allows."
"There will be time," Obama's spokesman, Josh Earnest, retorted during a briefing in Washington. Earnest, speaking at the White House, played down the possibility for any "major announcement" from the meeting.
Meanwhile, the Ayatollah has predictably moved to ensure that there will be no dialogue between Washington and Tehran with regard to Syria. Here’s WSJ:
Iran also is a core component of any Syria resolution, and administration officials hoped to quickly move to discussions with Tehran on that issue after reaching the nuclear deal. But that effort seems stalled for now.
Secretary of State John Kerry will meet with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif over the weekend.
Administration officials have said Mr. Obama is open to meeting with Iran’s president. But the Iranians have indicated to the U.S. that it won’t happen, underscoring the difficulty of redefining relations after decades of hostility.
Mr. Rouhani arrived in New York on Thursday with a mandate to convey the message that Iran is open to the world, according to analysts and diplomats inside Iran. But when it comes to the U.S., Iran is drawing a red line.
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said in speeches in the past month that engaging with the U.S. beyond the nuclear topic is prohibited.
Mr. Rouhani told CBS television’s “60 Minutes” in an interview this week that “many steps have to be taken before we reach such a stage.”
Saeed Laylaz, an influential political analyst in Tehran, said a meeting between the presidents “would escalate tensions inside Iran and given Mr. Khamenei’s warning, it would be viewed as a slap in the face to the supreme leader.”
Yes, and make no mistake, Khamenei is not a man who enjoys being slapped in the face and especially not by a president who, when one strips away all the niceties, is really nothing more than a figurehead.
What the above means is that the US is now completely at the mercy of Russia when it comes to determining the path forward in Syria and the only way that Washington, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar will be able to walk away with their dignity intact is if The Kremlin agrees to allow for a political transition away from Assad but even that would be nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory as there simply is no scenario in which Moscow and Tehran will allow for Assad to be replaced by a government that represents Western interests.
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Obama will bow so hard and fast that he scrapes the top of his head on Vlad's belt buckle.
O: Let me just say--.
P: Shh. Let me tell you how this is going to go.
The really interesting piece is the Chinese. I have to imagine they want to project power and get a foothold in the mideast... this presents a real opportunity, further deepening ties with Russia. In the end, its about natural resources... China needs them, the ME has them... and Russia is a valuable partner to have as they are already there and about to get a much bigger piece of the pie.
China just signed a multi billion dollar deal with Boeing to buy jets (300?). Boeing is a US company and a major member of the MIC. This after the explosions in China and military tensions with the US and the strange crashes of Boeing jets some say is linked to imbeded softtware that allows remote takeover. This is a big contract for Boeing thanks to China and is currently needed.
China may not be as tight with Russia as some think. Does Russia build passanger jets?
China has a few US Treasuries lying around. Maybe that is the reason.
US Treasuries can be used to buy anything. Not just products of the US. Why spend it in the US instead of buying from Russia. Simply cash in or sell the treasuries and buy Russian instead of US.
The planes are proposed to be built in China. What better way to develop a domestic aircraft industry?
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9389767/boeing-china-deal
So b/c China does business with US companies means China cannot have a strategic realtionship in the ME with Russia? Not following your logic...
That's what you think but in return a transfer of technology will be given to China. China is now one of the largest producers of Boeing parts, they've already built plants to build wide body commercial jets before long they'll be building them and competing with the stupid Boeing Corporation and with glee and joy of the stupid US administration.
Yo yo yo pootin, those are our Cia, ns a and mossadies, down thier you about to ax
Obozo: "Ummm they told me we have to install a Central Bank in Syria and bury them in debt to the IMF."
Putin: "Go fuck yourself."
P: Nice Nobel ring you have there. It looks heavy...
O: It is! Would you like to hold it?
speaking of Zionist Bob Kraft....
even his wife is a Israel firster
‘Patriots’ Owner’s Wife Says Her Sons Could Fight for Israel, Not U.S.
http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked
NFL and AIPAC to team up to polish their brands together
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/polish-brands-together
Talk is cheap. Putin has to actually do something, and he has not.
From the ZH article:
"What began months ago with rumors of Russian troops operating alongside the Syrian Arab Army culminated on Wednesday with reports that Vladimir Putin will bomb ISIS positions to support Assad with or without the help of US forces."
There is no basis for these claims other than unknown, unidentified 'sources". These sources have proven to be incorrect. And Putin's actions, or lack thereof, have shown a pattern that defies these claims.
On Sept. 2 and 3rd ZH posted articles about a Russian expeditionary force that would land in Syria in just days according to these sources. Another false claim.
Then yesterday we get a wild article by ZH that China was going into Syria (from these sources). No such claims from China.
Putin has not fired a shot, not one. Putin has not landed any expeditionary force. The only airbase that "may" have received work is close to an existing naval port. None of the rumors has proven to have any substance. If Putin was going to do anything to support Assad why has he never delivered the S-300 systems that Syria and Iran both contracted for back in 2007.
I have a source that says Cuba is going into Syria. Gonna take over the entire country.
Now run along, and go back to your joos noos blackout. This is for the big boys and mature audiences
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940703000408
its weird how you and your other accounts seem to have been assigned the task of repeatedly trolling variations of this theme - Putin hasn't done enough, etc. etc.
Look everyone is entitled to their opinion - but you say this same shit over and over and over in a way that makes me suspect you are sitting in a State Department office somewhere not far from a portrait of the Puppet in Chief.
And by the way - the US government itself has already noted the presence of Russian troops and fighter jets - as has the Syrian government.
Maybe less trolling, and more second {and 3rd} language learning would give you some clarity.
The Russians are coming.
And late is better than never.
xxoo
Russia has always had a few troops and jets in Syria. But no significant increase has occured. None has been involved in fighting.
Has Putin fired a single shot? Has Putin delivered the S-300 to Syria OR Iran. NO.
You say "The Russians are coming" - funny, it's just like the comedy movie with Belushi.
You say "Late is better than never" - SO WHEN? We were promised back in Sept 3rd that they would be there in just days. NOPE.
Now the far fetched claim is that China is coming. Sure it is not Cuba?
Iraq1, Iraq2, Serbia, Libya, E Ukraine, Somalia, Yemen, Syria - not going to change now.
Do you get a Hot Pocket and Capri Sun every time you mention Iran and Syria not getting S300's
That talking point must be real popular over at State because I hear the same crap out of you $5/hour bitches all the time.
I know they always send you B-team guys on Friday afternoon Blankone, so I won't beat you up for your weak arguments. I DO admire your persistence if nothing else.
"...Russia has always had a few troops and jets in Syria. But no significant increase has occured. None has been involved in fighting...."
Oh... can you PROVE that? Yeah... I thought so.
"...Has Putin fired a single shot?..."
Let's see here... Brand new Frogfoots were dropping precision weapons on Kweiris Air Base, Palmyra and maybe Aleppo. Syrian pilots or Russian? It really doesn't matter - the fact is that Russia is responsible for the drone and satellite intel, new aircraft and precision weapons employed. The nationality of the meat pulling the trigger is unimportant. I know you guys would rather see barrel bombs or fake chlorox bombs so you can squeal about Assad, but those days are over. Your de-facto country - Israel - will be the only ones supplying the head-choppers using chemical weapons in Syria anymore.
"...Has Putin delivered the S-300 to Syria OR Iran. NO..."
Oh Hasbara - such a short memory. Here's an item from May 26th, 2013 from the Times of Israel: Russia canceled S-300 deal with Assad, report says
Russia didn't delier any S-300s to Syria because they promised not to if Nettanyau could refrain from 'tarding out. He couldn't. Your psychopathic sataic leader Nettanyahu broke a deal over two-and-a-half years ago. The bear never forgets - so Russia's self-imposed ban on S-300s to Syria off thanks to Israel. In fact, if you Google anything about the ban, Google curiously throws up an inordinate number of Israeli media sources. Paid placement much, Hasbara? Here's another authoriative Israeli source from April 15th, 2015 regarding the S-300s:
Russia Updated Israel on Decision to Lift Ban on Sale of S-300 Missiles to Iran
Russia didn't deliver the S-300s to Iran because of international sanctions on Iran (from same article):
So we already know Russia HAS delivered at least one S-1 Pantsir to Syria, which is needed to protect the S-300s or Antey S-125s that will follow. No, I don't have satellite imagery of the future delivery or a sworn statement by Putin to offer you as 'proof'. Why don't you send a couple of Israel's F-16s over to buzz Latakia and find out? As for Iran's S-300's:
Iran: Russia to deliver its S-300 missile system by year’s end (Aug. 30, 2015)
"...You say "Late is better than never" - SO WHEN? We were promised back in Sept 3rd that they would be there in just days. NOPE..."
HEY! Take a hit off your inhaler, swallow a handful of Ritalin, take a deep breath and CALM THE FUCK DOWN. "We were promised?" Jesus, man. You sound like a spoiled child. I don't think Russia is in the habit of announcing troop movements in advance. Besides, wasn't it Mossad's Debka File that 'warned' the world about this weeks ago?
"...Now the far fetched claim is that China is coming. Sure it is not Cuba?..."
Why so butt-hurt over China? Oh, that's right. China has all the reason in the world to build strong relations with IRAN instead of Israel. In fact, China really couldn't give a shit about Israel except for buying some of their electronic toys for the massive J-10 fighter swap-for-Iranian-oil deal. Hey, didn't they rip the J-10 plans from Israel's Lavi? Why, yes - yes they DID. No honor among thieves, I guess...
Your patience is admirable.
bored
If Obama were smart he'd......, Oh never mind.
Deny Putin entrance into the country and say it was a technical glitch, "I learned about it on TV just like the rest of you". Problem solved.
What's so sad is that doesn't sound unlikely.....
Actually he'll go lower.
Where's Vlad eating popcorn
Don't try to steal Putin's pen Barry...
So ISIS is the enemy of the U.S. and Russia, but the U.S. wants to get rid of Assad and destabilize Syria after Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.
It's almost like the U.S. powers that be want to return to the dark ages and barbarism while spending a whole lot of money on bombs and planes and other war gear.
Assad wears a suit and tie and does his best to protect non-Muslims while the U.S. and Europe support destabilizing the Middle East and forcing potentially millions of Muslim immigrants into their own back yard while signing a deal with Iran and trying to re-ignite the cold war.
It makes zero sense, unless it is a plan for a N.W.O. run by the banks, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Aristocracy of the elites.
Here, take this handful of magic mushrooms if you want to understand the logic.......
Or, simply appoint yourself to the Raytheon board of directors.
eb: The US wants to dominate Eurasia, control the flow of energy, and sap the strength of potential rivals to control of Eurasia by lighting brush fires all around their perimeter, threatening their access to energy or shipping routes, and their fundamental security and peace. The rivals are currently Russia, China, and the E.U. The US lacks the outright power to do this by open force, so proxies are used.
All the rest is rhetoric.
If Obo comes down with Lymphoma we'll know what is going on.
It's unlikely. Even cancer has some standards.
Off Topic:
California Lake Mysterious Runs Dry Overnight, Killing Thousands Of Fishhttp://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/24/california-lake-mysterious-run...
No wonder it's called "Lake Mysterious."
My first thought... Tom Selleck's swimming pool needed refilling.
If it was a natural lake that'd be mysterious, but a reservior it can only be a few things that happened...
A Geologic event? Oh frack!
Ok this is my stomping grounds. The lake in question is a small reservoir that feeds into a larger one. Pacific Gas and Electric owns the system and uses the water down stream to generate electricity. The lake was scheduled to go dry in two weeks but for some reason it drained overnight. The plan was to capture and move the fish to the lower reservoir before it went dry but I bet PG&E did not want to spend the money to move them so they drained it early. The water did not vanish it just went down stream to the lower lake.
nestle must have backed up the truck
MSM outlets cite unconfirmed reports of Putin seen running from the scene.
Surprised Putin has time to meet with Obummer. Does Obummer really have anything worthwhile to say? I suspect no.
Putin found time to phone Elton John, after EJ was thoroughly trolled by Russian pranksters. Obozo seems to be trolling himself, so wh no? Putin does have a sense of humor after all.
Putin to Merkel: There is a Russian joke about marriage. No matter what you do on your wedding night, you will be fucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2M5l__vCwo
Merkel at 0:17 says it all.
I don't like that I'm rooting for Russia here, but I can't in any way convince myself that the US has the high, moral ground here. I'm old fashioned enough to think that we should be acting as a force of good, or at least not of evil. I see Syria as a prime example of bad motivation creating a horrible outcome. Or maybe I just need to hit an Oktoberfest and lighten up, Francis.
" I can't in any way convince myself that the US has the high, moral ground here"
They don't. What a weird feeling it is when you see a foreign country attempting to do the right thing (aiding a secular govt in their fight against retrogade terrorist thugs), while your own country goes off as the freedom-curtailing, terrorist sponsoring, warmongering skumbag they warned you our enemies were all about in school during the Cold War.
That weird feeling, I decided, is my internal compass showing it still works.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
Remind Barry to take his red magic marker with him to the meeting.
Didn't I watch this in House of Cards? I feel like I've seen this story... when does Obama visit Putin in the Syrian warzone?
"Meanwhile, the Ayatollah has predictably moved to ensure that there will be no dialogue between Washington and Tehran with regard to Syria"
Oh, the Jewish/Zionist lobby was going to allow the US to work with Iran on stopping the US and Israel from supporting terrorism inside Syria?
Really?
Pull this one - it plays "Hava Nagila"
Obama isn't stupid, but that's irrelevant. He's also not in charge. The Neo-Cons who are in charge aren't stupid either, but they took a high-risk gamble. They didn't push it hard enough, fast enough, and now it's falling apart. They took too long about it, for domestic US partisan political reasons. The American people don't want war and they don't care about Empire. So we're unwilling to actually fight a war and take casualties. We're willing to ignore whatever we do with our mercenaries, but we sure aren't going to go along with a full-out war effort, which is what dominating Eurasia will require.
Make no mistake, domination of Eurasia is the key. Always has been. Read Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard," if you've got the stomach. It's pretty much the Ur-text of US foreign policy going back decades. And Obama is following the prescription, as did GW Bush, Clinton, GHW Bush, Reagan, and Carter. Perhaps Nixon and LBJ, too.
So now Putin has gotten Russia back up on its feet faster than the Neo-Cons had predicted. Without a US will to go to war, Putin has been able to call the US bluff by very simple means in both Ukraine and Syria, having failed to act fast enough in Libya (perhaps not quite believing the US would do that there and then).
The US global Empire is over. We're not going to give up our advantages without a struggle, though. Putin has to play a very careful game. No doubt he's expecting a flare-up of "spontaneous" Sunni extremist violence in the -Stan countries, and parts of Russia with lots of Muslims. And the Chinese will be watching Xinjiang Province, and the Uighurs, very carefully now. The US can't engage in open warfare, but the bag of dirty tricks is a big one, and the tricks are far dirtier than most Americans have any idea.
Good analysis.
Maybe the US plans to pivot east - terrorism-wise.
Turkish-Uyghur Terror Inc. - America's Other Al Qaeda
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/turkish-uyghur-terror-inc-am...
I hope Vlad knows he's attacking a CIA proxy force.
I wonder if Barry knows?
Putin wins again.
I can't imagine how much Putin despises Obama.
He's probably got a better macro perspective in terms of who controls Obama than you do.
Could it have any relation to the one ethnoreligious group he has appointed/nominated to positions in the Executive Branch far, far more than any other, or indeed, than their numbers would seem to suggest is at all reasonable?
The people you refer to still have huge power in Russia and it's not a simple thing for someone even with Putin's strength to marginalize them. Maybe like everyone else he's in their pocket too. But something tells me he's a patriot.
Putin of course knows that Obama is a puppet. Putin even once publicly said in Russia that "US presidents are completely useless." However, Putin does seem to despise Obama. He is much more comfortable around some other puppet leaders (e.g. Bush, Merkel), because I think that they at least do not continue to play their role, when they are alone with Putin and they are capable of having some fun. Obama seems incapable of leaving his scripted role and Putin gets bored very easily.
This is what you have to do to be friends with Putin:-) Can you imagine Obama doing that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8n10YVFmVQ
Draughters (checkers) player wants to sit down for a game of chess with a grandmaster.
Good luck with that one.
Lame Duck President to meet with Russian Bear...good luck with that meeting...
haha, "NEXT WEEK" they will have ww3 to talk about, which will already be well underway.
Russia better put some fotos of open silos on facebook before the president puts a foot on US soil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P1q3IDjBaI
I'm guessing we're not going to be hearing too much from "ISIS" anymore. hahahahahahah I can't help but laugh.
Next ISIS messages may come from Germany, their new home.
You might be right. Chief of Police for Germany says they already have NO GO zones there due to migration....
http://tsecnetwork.ca/2015/09/18/no-go-zones-and-the-european-migration-...
America has bigger, badder and older NO GO zones than Europe. We're #1, ... in some things.
"...and make no mistake, Khamenei is not a man who enjoys being slapped in the face and especially not by a president who, when one strips away all the niceties, is really nothing more than a figurehead."
Which begs the question...
so....is this where that 'much more flexible after the election' kicks in?
medvedev told later he had no idea what that was about...
Looks like Obamma just rambles on spewing random, nonsense, nosequitors when his handlers turn his ear piece off. Check out Obummer at breakfast. Link from nnnnn above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P1q3IDjBaI
Putin warns U.S. over supporting terrorists in order to overthrow Syria:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/us-warns-putin-over-islamic-state-in...
This is where Putin tells Obama what he is going to do in Syria and tells Obama to either stay out of the way or join an actual attack on ISIS.
Obama will squirm in his corner because he cannot publicly condemn anyone fighting ISIS.
The MSM still is trying to make it sound like the Russians are interfering in the Syrian Civil War. That is the one main point Putin needs to win with the media, spinning this into an ISIS fight instead.
Face-to-face communication is usually the best. In this case, it benefits both leaders:
Obama can save face due to the ME debacles, and Putin can deal himself back into the Game with the US, by extending an olive branch and acting like a senior statesman.
That would be the best case scenario.
Putin should INSIST that the US State Dept. needs to be renamed to: US Mistake Dept. - they are worthy of all the possible derision we can muster....
http://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Al%20Assad%20Airport_24S...
Can't wait to see Russian special forces annihilating those ISIS bastards.
The Chief of Police of Germany has already said they have NO GO zones there because of uncontrollable migrant neighbourhoods. French government research says the same; NO GO zones in France. The same thing for Sweden. This current mess with Putin will cause even more migration and outflows. Europe is toast....
http://tsecnetwork.ca/2015/09/18/no-go-zones-and-the-european-migration-...
Putin said, “Let me turn to my neocons and get their opinion before I answer that”.
Putin Staff: Vlad baby, we don’t have any neocons.
Putin: Obama, maybe you would like to ask your neocons before you answer.
Obama: No need. I have my orders right here!
Excuse the cut and paste, but this article is proof of just how badly the USA Syrian war plan has fallen apart. The USA is not going to oust Russia, Iran and China from helping Syria remain a viable state unable to be detroyed by American trained rebels and shadow Terror groups of Saudi Arabia. Obama is pissing his pants, as is the Pentagon. Read:
" "An Arab news source [Al Masdar News] reports that a military contingent of the PRC is on the way to Latakia and will arrive in Syrian ports any day. Chinese transport with military cargo was spotted on Tuesday morning, passing through the Suez canal.
Information about the Chinese military experts heading to Tartus was confirmed by the commander of the Syrian army. The report concludes that Moscow will create in Syria an anti-terrorist coalition that will become the alternative version of the military alliance formed by the US for dropping supplies to ISIS. Military entrance of China into the struggle for Syria will be an important addition to today's statement by the Iranian Foreign Ministry. At a press conference with "Russia Today" deputy foreign minister of Iran, Hossein Amir Abdollahian stated that Iran will fight ISIS together with Russia. Notably Amir talked not just about an alliance, but a creation of a broad military coalition."
Russia wants isis under un sanctions so that no one supply them arms but you know what happened ? US blocked it . It happened twice now. To those nutters who think US has no role in creating isis must know it . If they get sanctioned then how US or its ally will supply weapons (airdrop) to destroy Syria.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150924/1027456504.html
Not sure how true this is JB, there are no other reports confirming this.
Many are saying that it would be an unlikely move by China, saying that they had never taken this kind of action before. But, it would certainly make the world sit up and take notice if they did flex their muscles and poke the US in the eye in a US dominated part of the world.
Also, by now the Chinese will know for certain what caused the Tianjin explosion, and if it was, as VA argue, a mini nuke, they will be after revenge, Chinese style. What better than a trip to Syria?
Also there are major Russian naval exercises about to start off the Syrian coast lasting for 3 weeks. All kinds of their ships are gathering there. At the same time the Russia/Syria ship supply link is currently delivering about 1000 tons a weeks of 'stuff'.
Yes, i may have been trolled by a fake story. Sounded real enough, I am going back to follow the trail on it.