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Goldman Strikes Again: Did A Probe Into "Global Warming" Fraud Cost A Prime Minister's Job

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When Tony Abbott became Australia's prime minister in September 2013, the chain of events that would prematurely end his tenure may already have been in motion: just a few months later China would order its out of control shadow banking system to put on hold its debt issuance machinery, which as we reported a year ago, ground to a complete stop around November 2014 (which also was the explanation for the dramatic slowdown in the US economy over the winter as the collapse in China's Total Social Financing growth sent a deflationary ripple effect around the globe), which - as we warned at the time - would have dire consequences on all of China's "feeder" economies, namely Brazil and Australia.

But while we have been tracking the implosion of Brazil's economy since December, long before the rest of the world noticed the calamitous collapse of what was once Latin America's most vibrant economy, it was a very recent event in Australia - not the country's parallel economic slowdown also due to China's hard landing: that was painfully clear long in advance - that took many by surprise. Namely, the resignation of Tony Abbott almost exactly two years after becoming Prime Minister.

And while it is easy to blame his admission of failure on external factors, namely the Chinese slowdown, a very surprising finding has emerged over the past few days, one which reveals Abbott's "ouster" in a totally different light.

According to Freedom of Information documents obtained by Australia's ABC, now-former prime minister Tony Abbott's own department discussed setting up an investigation into the Bureau of Meteorology amid media claims it was exaggerating estimates of global warming.

Yes, it appears that the prime minister himself had dared to question to prevailing status quo on "global warming."

ABC reports that in August and September 2014, The Australian newspaper published reports questioning the Bureau of Meteorology's (BoM) methodology for analyzing temperatures, reporting claims BoM was "wilfully ignoring evidence that contradicts its own propaganda."

Naturally, the BoM strongly rejected assertions it was altering climate records to exaggerate estimates of global warming. Nevertheless, as the following document obtained by the ABC shows, just weeks after the articles were published, Mr Abbott's own department canvassed using a taskforce to carry out "due diligence" on the BoM's climate records.

As it turns out, late in 2014 the Australia government set up a taskforce to provide advice on post 2020 emissions reduction targets ahead of the United Nations Paris climate change conference in December 2015. The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet originally wanted the taskforce to also conduct "due diligence to ensure Australia's climate and emissions data are the best possible, including the Bureau of Meteorology's Australian temperature dataset".

An accompanying brief seen by Mr Abbott noted that "in recent articles in The Australian, the BoM was accused of altering its temperature data records to exaggerate estimates of global warming". To wit from the ABC:

"The way the Bureau manages its climate records is recognised internationally as among the best in the world," the brief said.

"Nevertheless, the public need confidence information on Australia and the world's climate is reliable and based on the best available science."

Inexplicably, instead of letting it go as most "status quo" governments always do, the cabinet kept pushing with demands for audits: audits which, if taken too far, may reveals some truly very "inconvenient truths" if not so much about global warming, as about the propaganda behind it and the firms that stood to profit from such propaganda.

The pressure intensified when Mr Abbott's business advisory council chair Maurice Newman wrote an opinion piece in the paper, demanding a Government-funded audit and review of the Bureau.

 

The concerns centred on the Bureau's temperature homogenisation process — the method in which it adjusts temperatures for weather sites based on factors like trees casting shade or influencing wind or if the station is moved.

It was then that the pushback started in earnest: enter Greg Hunt, Australia's Environment Minister who would do everything in his power to halt Abbott's crusade to "audit" the BoM.  In a letter to Abbott in November 2014, Hunt called for the removal of the due diligence clause, pointing out that he and his parliamentary secretary, Simon Birmingham, had already “established a strengthened governance oversight of the bureau’s ongoing work in this area." In other words, "trust us" - we are the government... we work for you.

Both the Department of Environment and Environment Minister Greg Hunt argued against having the taskforce investigate the Bureau. One Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet bureaucrat described a Department of Environment official as being "on a campaign" to get the references to BoM removed from the taskforce's responsibilities.

 

Further documents appear to show Mr Hunt convinced senior cabinet members to remove any references of "due diligence" or "quality assurance".

 

In a letter to Mr Abbott written on November 18 last year, Mr Hunt highlighted the fact the "draft terms of reference refers to the taskforce doing due diligence on the Bureau of Meteorology's Australian temperature data set".

 

"In doing this, it is important to note that public trust in the Bureau's data and forecasts, particularly as they relate to bushfires and cyclones, is paramount," it said. "Given the recent publicity about the Bureau's temperature data sets, Senator Birmingham and I established a strengthened governance oversight of the Bureau's ongoing work in this area."

Said otherwise, don't you dare question global warming or else the public may lost faith in the Bureau of Meteorology's forecasts about "bushfires and cyclones." One couldn't possibly make this up if one tried.

As for the assurance Greg Hunt gave to Abbott to drop his audit, it basically was a promise to "self-regulate" better through a, drumroll, technical advisory forum:

The strengthened governance of the Bureau that Mr Hunt referred to is the setting up a Technical Advisory Forum to review and provide advice on the Bureau's temperature data — a recommendation from an earlier review of the Bureau's processes.

 

"It is important to emphasise that this is primarily a matter of meteorology, statistics and data assurance," Mr Hunt wrote in his letter to Mr Abbott.

This, of course, is a page right out of the Keynesian/monetarist playbook: one can't sow seeds of doubt in the mind of the public that the most sacrosanct assumptions about the world are wrong by open government probes be it by auditing the Fed, or Hillary's email server... or Australia's meteorological data, so instead let's just take their word that all the data will be scrubbed and double checked.

A 2011 review found the Bureau's data and analysis methods met world's best practice but recommended a group be set up to review progress on the development and operation of the temperature data. 

 

The 2015 panel included eminent statisticians and members have told the ABC they were in no doubt that it was set up in response to the newspaper articles. A draft letter from Mr Abbott addressed to Mr Hunt showed that Mr Abbott wanted personal updates on the panel's review.

 

"The credibility of Government agencies is important and must be ensured," the letter read.

And while the review naturally cleared the BoM of any data "goal-seeking" when it was released in June, perhaps the threat of future such audits was simply too much - three months later Abbott was gone.

This is not Abbott's first concern about either met data, or global warming. As the Guardian notes, Abbott previously questioned the reliability of climate science, but when he was prime minister he repeatedly said he accepted the climate was changing and humans made “a contribution”. In other public statements, Abbott said coal was “good for humanity” and wind turbines were “visually awful”.

Perhaps the recent probe into the "statistics and data" behind the Australian Bureau of Meteorology were the straw that broke the camel's back: clearly Abbott was not going to be appeased and would continue his probes and audits into the "conventional wisdom" behind global warming, a persistence which threatened one firm more than any other.

Goldman Sachs.

While we hardly have to remind readers that it is Goldman that conceived of the carbon-credit market, and was behind cap and trade, here is an (in)convenient summary of who the true puppetmaster is behind the worldwide infatuation with stopping "global warming", and who stands to benefit the most as the world is manipulated into doing everything to kill global warming dead in its tracks, courtesy of Matt Taibbi:

…Fast-forward to today. it’s early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs – its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign – sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.Gone are HankPaulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm’s co-head of finance.) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits – a booming trillion dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an “environmental plan,” called cap-and-trade.

 

The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that’s been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won’t even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance.

 

Here’s how it works: If the bill passes, there will be limits for coal plants, utilities, natural-gas distributors and numerous other industries on the amount of carbon emissions (a.k.a. greenhouse gases) they can produce per year. If the companies go over their allotment, they will be able to buy “allocations” or credits from other companies that have managed to produce fewer emissions: President Obama conservatively estimates that about $646 billion worth of carbon credits will be auctioned in the first seven years; one of his top economic aides speculates that the real number might be twice or even three times that amount.

 

The feature of this plan that has special appeal to speculators is that the “cap” on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. Which means that this is a brand-new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time. The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually; for comparison’s sake, the annual combined revenues of all’ electricity suppliers in the U.S. total $320 billion.

 

Goldman wants this bill. The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation, (2) make sure that they’re the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues. (One of their lobbyists at the time was none other than Patterson, now Treasury chief ofstaff.) Back in 2005, when Hank Paulson was chief of Goldman, he personally helped author the bank’s environmental policy, a document that contains some surprising elements for a firm that in all other areas has been consistently opposed to any sort of government regulation. Paulson’s report argued that “voluntary action alone cannot solve the climate-change problem.” A few years later, the bank’s carbon chief, Ken Newcombe, insisted that cap-and-trade alone won’t be enough to fix the climate problem and called for further public investments in research and development. Which is convenient, considering that Goldman made early investments in wind power (it bought a subsidiary called Horizon Wind Energy), renewable diesel (it is an investor in a firm called Changing World Technologies) and solar power (it partnered with BP Solar), exactly the kind of deals that will prosper if the government forces energy producers to use cleaner energy. As Paulson said at the time, “We’re not making those investments to lose money.”

 

The bank owns a 10 percent stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange, where the carbon credits will be traded. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore, who is intimately involved with the planning of cap-and-trade, started up a company called Generation Investment Management with three former bigwigs from Goldman Sachs Asset Management, David Blood, Mark Ferguson and Peter Hanis. Their business? Investing in carbon offsets, There’s also a $500 million Green Growth Fund set up by a Goldmanite to invest in green-tech … the list goes on and on. Goldman is ahead of the headlines again, just waiting for someone to make it rain in the right spot. Will this market be bigger than the energy-futures market?

 

Oh, it’ll dwarf it,” says a former staffer on the House energy committee.

 

Well, you might say, who cares? If cap-and-trade succeeds, won’t we all be saved from the catastrophe of global warming? Maybe – but cap-and-trade, as envisioned by Goldman, is really just a carbon tax structured so that private interests collect the revenues. Instead of simply imposing a fixed government levy on carbon pollution and forcing unclean energy producers to pay for the mess they make, cap-and-trade will allow a small tribe of greedy-as-hell Wall Street swine to turn yet another commodities market into a private tax-collection scheme. This is worse than the bailout: It allows the bank to seize taxpayer money before it’s even collected.

 

Cap-and-trade is going to happen. Or, if it doesn’t, something like it will. The moral is the same as for all the other bubbles that Goldman helped create, from 1929 to 2009. In almost every case, the very same bank that behaved recklessly for years, weighing down the system with toxic loans and predatory debt, and accomplishing nothing but massive bonuses for a few bosses, has been rewarded with mountains of virtually free money and government guarantees – while the actual victims in this mess, ordinary taxpayers, are the ones paying for it.

In short: trillions are at stake for Goldman as long as the "fight" against global warming continues. And as noted above, cap-and-trade is going to happen or "something like it will" - Goldman's future revenues depend on it.

In fact, the only thing that can crush this finely orchestrated plan to generate billions in private profits from the mass euphoria to "save the planet" funded, naturally, entirely by the taxpayer, is a critical piece of evidence that the data and statistics behind "global warming" has been fabricated,  something which very well may have occurred had Abbott's plan for an audit gone too far.

And so Abbott suddenly became a major liability, if not so much for Australia, then certainly for Goldman Sachs.

In retrospect, while Abbott completely unexpected exit on September 14 was a shock, his Prime Ministerial replacement should come as no surprise at all: Malcolm Turnbull, as we noted, just happened to be Chairman of Goldman Sachs Australia from 1997-2001. The same Turnbull who was deposed as opposition leader in 2009 over his support for a carbon tax and an emissions trading scheme, a "scheme" that, when fully implemented, would lead to huge monetary windfalls for none other than Turnbull's former employer: Goldman Sachs.

So was Goldman the responsible party behind Abbott's ouster? One can only speculate, however one thing is certain: any concerns and fears of "probes" or "audits" into Australia's global warming "data and statistics" are now history.

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ABC's full FOIA revealing Abbott's probe of BoM "data" below:

 

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Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:31 | 6597046 Nostradumbass
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You CANNOT have a role in the rapidly forming NWO with an attitude like that! You're out!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:32 | 6597052 WTFRLY
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This won't be necessary once the 'Great Event' happens.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:36 | 6597064 Captain Debtcrash
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Nothin' like a dream conspiracy theory come true.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:08 | 6597142 CheapBastard
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Infidel!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:11 | 6597147 knukles
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When Goldman supports Global Warming, then you know it's all a pile of BS

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:14 | 6597154 midtowng
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ZH doesn't cover itself in glory when it denies science.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:40 | 6597213 Lurk Skywatcher
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Science takes data and develops a theory that explains that data.

Religion starts with a theory and interprets the data to fit that theory.

Climate Science has already been found guilty of adjusting data to fit its theories, and refusing to release the raw data for inspection.

And now the Pope insists that God wants man to fix climate change.

The only "science" you are talking about is the science of fleecing the public to enrich the already rich.

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:08 | 6597278 Latina Lover
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The GS gang are slavering over ther profits they can make manipulating carbon credit markets. Since they are literally nothing but hot air, with no inventory to fiddle, the opportunities to scam the public are unlimited.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:10 | 6597294 Manthong
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Those who are not in the “Big Club” can be considered to be “one people” as opposed to those in the Big Club who constitute for discussion sake, another people.

The most appropriate words that come to mind in all of this begin with the phrase “When in the course of human events”.

Anybody else out there in line with the reality of a “long train of abuses and usurpations”?

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:35 | 6597376 James_Cole
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Did A Probe Into "Global Warming" Fraud Cost A Prime Minister's Job

Answer: No.

Here kids, more fun with AGW:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/environment/investigation-finds-...

In 1978, the Exxon researchers warned that a doubling of CO2 levels in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius and would have a major impact on the company’s core business.

In a written response to the InsideClimate News investigation, an Exxon spokesman said that, “At all times, the opinions and conclusions of our scientists and researchers on this topic have been solidly within the mainstream of the consensus scientific opinion of the day and our work has been guided by an overarching principle to follow where the science leads. The risk of climate change is real and warrants action.”

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 19:33 | 6597638 TuPhat
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Since 1978?  Even I can tell that's bull.  There was no actual research being done back then and there hasn't been any since.  BS about BS times more BS does not make AGW a fact.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 20:28 | 6597773 turtle
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AND THAT AIN'T THE HALF OF IT FOLKS...

Tony Abbots replacement (ie. Australia's NEW prime minister) was amongst other things including being another Rhodes scholar... "chair and managing director of Goldman Sachs Australia (1997–2001) and a partner with Goldman Sachs and Co (1998–2001)." ... 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull


Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:41 | 6597921 OldPhart
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Actually, there was, but the scare was that we were to be in a new Ice Age.  Apparently caused by hair spray (not kidding, that's why Chlorofluorocarbon was banned. We were "eating our ozone". 

http://www.theozonehole.com/cfc.htm

A hole in the ozone would let space drop into our atmosphere, bringing nearby areas to near zero Kelvin. Clouds would turn to ice and fall from the sky, The oceans would expand as they froze into perma-ice and scrape off coastal cities around the world, and humans would be forced to live in underground hives.

Same bullshit, different era.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:43 | 6597925 stilletto
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When you read it you see its bollocks. Energy does not radiate from the earth to atmosphere it convects and conducts. Only in the stratospere does it radiate

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 22:42 | 6598042 James_Cole
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Huh? You need some help, here u go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:49 | 6597408 James_Cole
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Science takes data and develops a theory that explains that data.

No, science observes phenomena, collects data and proposes hypothesis and then experimentally tests to verify / deny / modify hypothesis. If these experimental results as applied to hypothesis can be replicated widely a theory is developed.

This process has given us: evolution, gravitation and appropriately: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Religion skips the whole verifiable results thing..

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:50 | 6597416 Teh Finn
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Religion skips the whole verifiable results thing..

Well that explains why CAGW is a religion.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:56 | 6597428 James_Cole
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For those with reference points stuck in 1700, yes, it might seem like hocus pocus religion. For everyone else:

The existence of the greenhouse effect was argued for by Joseph Fourier in 1824. The argument and the evidence was further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838, and reasoned from experimental observations by John Tyndall in 1859. The effect was more fully quantified by Svante Arrhenius in 1896.

In 1917 Alexander Graham Bell wrote "[The unchecked burning of fossil fuels] would have a sort of greenhouse effect", and "The net result is the greenhouse becomes a sort of hot-house."

Wiki editors have beefed this article since last I saw it, for any zh'ers interested in reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:05 | 6597484 doctor10
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19th century reasoning is right up there with a Flat Earth son.

The Frauds supporting the "data"-now are a prime creation of the 21st century financial scam artists. They have gotten themselves painted into a corner unless they can figure out a way to tax the every living breath out of every living creature on the planet.

And are saving up all the bilious violence they can muster to make it happen.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:22 | 6597537 newdoobie
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If it's all that dangerous, just pump some aluminum chaff up high enough and watch the temps drop. Cheap and easy solution. Volcanoes cool the earth with just dust and they produce more green house gases in one eruption than humans have over the entire span of humanity

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 09:41 | 6601491 Polonius
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That's what they've been doing for at least twenty years...spraying coal fly ash all over the world.  But it's been to done to do the opposite.  Yes, it reflects, but it also traps heat below and has contributed to rising temps and, of course, helps them engineer droughts and other weather anomolies that support their climate change meme.  It is quite disappointing that the global spraying project is not even mentioned in this article.  Folks, this is very, very real.  Just look up, no matter where you are, and whether you realize it or not, the probability is very high that those are not cirrus clouds you see, but rather coal fly ash dispersing from the overnight spray.  Believe it or not.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 05:14 | 6605617 Zero Point
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Also not mentioned is the another Squid director. Alex Turnbull, the son of the "ex" GS director that is now Prime Minister of my country. The Squid is now totally in control of the Australian Goyim.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 19:37 | 6597650 TuPhat
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'The greenhouse becomes a hothouse'  no evidence has been found for that.  In fact the existence of fossil fuels tells us that carbon dioxide was way more abundant in the atmosphere eons ago when those fossil fuels were being made.  Coal comes from plants so there was an abundance of plants back then, not a dead dry hot earth.  Use a little inteligent thought and you can easily see that AGW is bunk.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 22:28 | 6598014 James_Cole
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'The greenhouse becomes a hothouse'  no evidence has been found for that. 

It's been proven countless times. If you were adventurous you could even prove it yourself via simple experiment!

In fact the existence of fossil fuels tells us that carbon dioxide was way more abundant in the atmosphere eons ago when those fossil fuels were being made. 

The science is not strong with this one. Though yes, co2 was much more prevalent in the atmosphere at different times in the past... like them times humans didn't exist and those other times when most life forms were wiped out lol

You will find this interesting, I made sure it is at your reading / comprehension level:

http://www.fplsafetyworld.com/?ver=kkblue&utilid=fplforkids&id=16200

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:10 | 6598092 nightshiftsucks
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Calling you shit for brains is to kind,and why the fuck are they polluting the sky with coal ash ?

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 22:53 | 6600801 Ace006
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When did those life forms die out, what were they, and what caused their death?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:13 | 6597505 newdoobie
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Then why do the 'scientists' have to keep changing the data? How come you cant get data that isn't adjusted.

You cant replicate results in GW, and predictions never materialize

How come the theories keep missing the targets expounded upon?

Keep moving those targets boys, no one will notice.

 

"Opps we lost the original data but here are all the adjusted figures and dire consequences"

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:28 | 6597547 James_Cole
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Two possibilities:

1. You are wrong about the data / conclusions.

2. There is a global multi-century scientific falsehood knowingly / maliciously perpetrated by conspiracy among the pre-eminent physicists and chemists of the day - with almost all other scientists carrying their water.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 19:39 | 6597653 TuPhat
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There could be warming in your brain because you must be feverish.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 22:56 | 6600809 Ace006
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I smell chem trails.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 01:43 | 6598266 All Risk No Reward
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Hi James, Two quotes and a question...

"We all have a tendency to think that the world must conform to our prejudices. The opposite view involves some effort of thought, and most people would die sooner than think – in fact they do so."
~Bertrand Russell, The ABC of Relativity (1925), p. 166.

"In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the [Debt-Money Monopolist financed] Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a [Debt-Money Monopolist financed] government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.

For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by [Debt-Money Monopolist financed] Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
~President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Question:  How do you *know* that AGW is actual science instead of a financed agenda controlled by a Debt-Money Monopoly financed scientific-technological elite (scientism)?

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:09 | 6599271 James_Cole
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How do you *know* that AGW is actual science instead of a financed agenda controlled by a Debt-Money Monopoly financed scientific-technological elite (scientism)?

The scientific theory is not in question and goes back a long long time. Questioning the theory at this point would be like an obese person saying to their doc "but how do you know I should eat less donuts?”

The ability to quantify AGW is considerably more complicated and the computer power / data necessary are still in the stoneage.

Everything in this world is engineered through approximation - measuring and calculating an extremely complex system will involve a lot of error in data / calculation but still there is an observable trend. As the data and calculation get better the prediction also gets better.

If you look around you will see few people questioning the theory and instead harping on the data. Why is that? When newton measured gravity it was pretty good, but you wouldn't want to set satellites to it - yet his theory was correct for what he was dealing with.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 01:56 | 6600028 MEAN BUSINESS
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The discussion around the development of our currently dominant philosophy of science, especially as it pertains to funding and corruption, as well as the oppresive capabilities of "scientism" is certainly worth having!

It is not really a dichotomy, AGW is actual science and also a financed agenda. Meteorology has been so since it's 'modern' inception but the pioneers were keenly aware of the issues above:

"Now this is just what we should avoid, and be careful not to restrain the liberty of the observer. Every one must consider the usage prevailing in his own country and the extent of his means; we should remember that one who is ordered to observe certain regulations does not effect half so much as one, who investigates according to his own judgement. Liberty should be respected everywhere; but especially in science should her spirit guide all our inquiries. By some very general indications they may be directed in such matters, that the general utility be promoted by the cooperation of all; only such restrictions should be made as are necessary to contribute to the interests of science, to promote the common welfare, by pro posing some rules and discussing them. By this means we may obtain a general method to be followed in making our observations and in publishing them."

 

ROYAL DUTCH METEOROLOGICAL INSTITUTE  SUGGESTIONS ON A UNIFORM SYSTEM OF METEOROLOGICAL OBSERVATIONS (1872)

ironically the author's name is ... Buys-Ballot !!! Anyway, The frontrunner to the International Meteorological Organization (IMO) here were all navy guys (military!) so no need to wonder where the funding is coming from. The IMO was morphed into the WMO, World Meteroloical Organization, which is basically the driver of the system that created the AGW debate:

http://www.wmo.int/pages/publications/bulletinarchive/archive/58_3_en/58...

WMO bulletin July 2009 A history of climate activities

And yes Zero Hedgers, even back in 1872 they were talking about "a change in climate". "Global Warming" MEANS today we MEAN anthropogenic global warming.

ALL roads lead to PARIS

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:57 | 6599232 macle
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The Earth cools itself mainly by emitting infrared radiation into space. Greenhouse gases reduce this cooling.

CO² , a weak greenhouse gas, has only one significant absorption band for this infrared, at 15 micron. But the band is already saturated. All of the 15 micron radiation leaving the Earth's surface is already absorbed. So adding more CO² has a small and diminishing effect (lowering the height of absorption and slightly increasing it in the shoulders of the band).

Standard radiation heat transfer shows that the direct effect of doubling the amount of CO² in the air from present levels (390 parts per million, or ppm) would increase the global temperature about 1°C.

However, there would be feedback (response to change) and it would be negative (countering the change), and so the actual temperature increase would be much less than 1°C.

All observation and records confirms this, and this is consistent with satellite measurements.

A likely agent for negative feedback is low clouds. Heating increases evaporation, leading to more water vapour in the air, which condenses into clouds. The cooling effect of the clouds, which reflect away sunlight, outweighs the heating effect of extra water vapour.
Rising CO² will have no significant effect on our climate. But it will make our crops and forests grow much better.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:29 | 6599301 James_Cole
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But the band is already saturated. All of the 15 micron radiation leaving the Earth's surface is already absorbed. So adding more CO² has a small and diminishing effect (lowering the height of absorption and slightly increasing it in the shoulders of the band).

If this were correct we'd all be dead.

Standard radiation heat transfer shows that the direct effect of doubling the amount of CO² in the air from present levels (390 parts per million, or ppm) would increase the global temperature about 1°C.

However, there would be feedback (response to change) and it would be negative (countering the change), and so the actual temperature increase would be much less than 1°C.

You're starting out with the wrong baseline on co2, but what is your 'much less'?

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 20:28 | 6600486 macle
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James, I'm sure you are capable of locating the relevant scholarly research, just Google co2+infrared+absorption+band+15+micron. Unless you have already made your mind up and refuse to accept any info that does not agree with your view.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/ir-expert-speaks-out-afte...

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 08:13 | 6598530 die standing
Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:42 | 6597218 negative rates
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I can guarantee that charges will be forth coming.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:45 | 6597225 Stackers
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As much as I love to hate Gleen Beck he did a great piece of the Cap and Trade / Goldman scam many years ago

Part 1:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqyfYzt16Y

Part 2:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7zKCaSLISQ

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:49 | 6597235 wiser
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Carbon credits are tradable permits or certificates that are typically related to the emission of one ton carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas considered responsible for the controversial global warming process. 

Carbon credits can be earned by companies who engage in ecologically friendly practices that remove the amount of carbon dioxide emissions from the environment. These credits can then be sold to other companies that continue to produce carbon emissions as a way to finance further reductions in carbon dioxide emissions.

Carbon credits were chosen by countries agreeing to the Kyoto Protocol as an alternative to a carbon tax.

http://www.silverseek.com/commentary/carbon-credit-derivatives

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:01 | 6597264 Stackers
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Small problem with that statement is Cardon Dioxide is NOT the primary greenhouse gas considered responsible for -- and get it right please --- "climate change"

 

according to "climate change" scientist the primary greenhouse gas responsible is methane produced by animals raised for human consumption. ANY climate change boob that is not a Vegan is a charlatan, a hypocrite, and a liar

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:25 | 6597351 Bay of Pigs
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Paging Flakmeister....

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:19 | 6597526 newdoobie
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Nope, neither CO2 nor Methane is the big culprit. its H2O!

CO2 and Methane etc. only raise the temp enough to create more evaporation of H2O.

Remeber the experiments you did raising food in a terarium?  The increase in water molecules held in the heat and killed everything in the sealed jar.

do an experiment put a thermometer in 3 sealed jars, vacumn the air out and replace with water in one, CO2 in one and methane in the other, put in sunlight and measure the temps.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 20:20 | 6597752 Dancing Disraeli
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Cloud cover which has a tremendous influence on climate, hasn't and cannot be factored in as satellite data was not available historically.  Further, low level clouds have a completely different effect vs high level.  Incomplete data and analysis being foisted on us as science.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:04 | 6597862 booboo
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Nice kiddie experiment and it probably was all that was needed to convince Al Gore we are all doomed, now back to planet earth and it's unquantifiable multi faceted ever changing cyclical life.

I suppose shoving an ice cube into the crack of ones ass would be another "scientific" experiment to prove to some we need a carbon exchange where Goldmanites can rape and pillage the poor.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:40 | 6597563 MEAN BUSINESS
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Would love to hear the convoluted twisted mangaling word salad that explains how CO2 is not primarily responsible for global warming (well, not really) but FYI Al Gore is a vegan these days, just not for ideological reasons. He says he simply feels better, which may be normal for older people?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:13 | 6598096 Chaos Trend
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Do you really need a convoluted word salad to understand that CO2 comprises about 0.039% of the earth's atmosphere? And that human-produced CO2 comprises only a very tiny fraction of that 0.039%?

It's common knowledge that simple water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas (overwhelmingly). The warmists insist on equating the earth's atmosphere with an actual greenhouse (which it's not). But if they insist, then why aren't they (and you) crying for water vapor credits instead of carbon credits?

The question answers itself: How you gonna' tax humans for the creation of water vapor?

Wake the hell up.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 02:48 | 6598280 MEAN BUSINESS
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"War mists" like the IPCC?

Be sure to forward the 0.039% revelation to them stat! You'll be famous!

A: ultimately mass murder (it's gonna' be hell)

Good morning Sunshine

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:11 | 6597304 Latina Lover
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Quoting Wiser:

"Carbon credits are tradable permits or certificates that are typically related to the emission of one ton carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas considered responsible for the controversial global warming process"

 

Hey Wiser, are you planning to tax volcanoes?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

What about Fukishima? How about dealing with real problems, instead of shilling for GS?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:23 | 6597539 mvsjcl
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Citing "facts" sometimes makes you "dumber."

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:06 | 6597483 ISEEIT
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For 'science' to be ethical, Philosophy is required.

Alchemy wasn't/isn't a science of purely identified physical considerations.

Denying (being a denier) of 'science' must include considerations of the easily identified agenda being moved 'FORWARD' globally...OR admission to the fallacious and insidious fraud being perpetrated upon humanity via these various streams of perversity such as 'climate change', 'global warming', 'climate disruption'....

All fanciful enough terms and legitimate for entertainment I suppose.

Ultimately however it is FRAUD.

An artificial construct concocted to perpetuate a ruse..hoax...ponzi..trick.

A LIE.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:41 | 6597566 knukles
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THANK YOU!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 20:52 | 6597827 booboo
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What Goldman wants Goldman gets and again, this whole scheme is designed to purposely NOT do anything about fixing a phantom problem because if they "fixed" it it ain't broke no more and if it ain't broke they can't continue to rape the poor.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:25 | 6598121 Chaos Trend
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You might as well have been referring to every single Democratic policy in the modern age.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 07:17 | 6598481 Sparkey
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Good morning Knuckles, If the climate is changing, and it is always changing, there isn't much we can do about it, for sure we can't spend enough money to create the climate 'we' want, if CO2 is the problem plant more trees, that is the only solution, giving more money to people who don't earn it is a step in the wrong direction!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:56 | 6597253 PlayMoney
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No No No ZH, its not global warming anymore. The new narrative is climate change. Also not to be confused with global freezing before that. They need to pick one and stick with it.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:23 | 6597896 Bingo Hammer
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Prime Minister Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey were also dumped because they wanted get multi nationals to start paying the appropriate levels of tax:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/v7-2014-12

More, one of the 1st things the new Goldmanite PM did was delay the tax review... 

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-white-paper-delayed-by-malcolm-turnbull-20150923-gjthtx.html

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:30 | 6597048 bamawatson
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research Franklin Raines; then his connection to carbon credit patent

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:31 | 6597051 Joebloinvestor
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This is what happens when you don't contribute to the Clinton foundation.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:21 | 6597167 CheapBastard
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Hillary Caught In Another Lie; How Many Can She Get Away With?

 

Just a few weeks ago, MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell asked Clinton about the arrangement that Abedin had at the State Department. Not only was Abedin working as one of her top aides, but she was also working for the Clinton Foundation and for a private firm, Teneo, that also had ties to the Clintons.

Was it "appropriate for her to be taking a State Department salary and also be paid by an outside company closely associated with your husband, by you?"

 

 

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092515-772846-clinton-caught-in...

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:23 | 6597341 macholatte
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Anytime any of the Progressive Sluts on MSNBC ask a “real” question of a Democrat/Progressive it’s an accident.   Andrea Mitchell is also Mrs Alan Greenspan.  They love to hide their relationships.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:37 | 6597068 Magnum
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http://blogs.woodtv.com/2015/09/26/snowstorm-in-alaska/

major early snowstorm hit Northern Alaska.  Fairbanks had 6.7? yesterday (Fri.).  That obliterated the previous daily snowfall record of 0.8?.  Just north of Fairbanks, 9? was recorded.  Here’s more snowfall totals.  A record low was set at Kodiak AK at 29 and small hail fell at Annette

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:41 | 6597073 PoasterToaster
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Goldman Sachs, and other oligarch tools, may be surprised about the loyalty of 32 year old "Millenials".  They have their own ideas after a lifetime of being told they are special.  Good luck, lol.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:42 | 6597077 The Indelicate ...
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Whatever happened to Anonymous? I assume they began legit, were co-opted and fractured.... but my god the hackers of the world should unite to target GS.

And does Australia have a Zionist Lobby akin to AIPAC and CRIF?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:49 | 6597095 The Indelicate ...
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well imagine my surprise

(0.4% - 0.6% of the Australian population)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Jews

and yet

Former foreign minister Bob Carr says 'pro-Israel lobby' influenced government policy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/bob-carr-lashes-out-at-melbourne-p...

Former Australian Foreign Minister Confirms that the Israel Lobby Controls Australia’s Foreign Policy

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/04/former-australian-foreign-m...

Bob Carr's texts to Gillard reveal 'extraordinary' influence pro-Israel lobby had on former PM
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bob-carrs-texts-to...

In ukraine its 0.5%, in russia <2%, in the US 2.5% - around that in Canada, France....

[watch this]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX4lH3-E1Y4

So - someone explain to me, please:

1] Why no one talks about this incredible phenomenon of disproportionate Jewish power in a number of different countries which, we may presume, coordinate with each other and;

2] How the discussion of "disproportionate power" can be sensibly decried as "racist" If [and only if] we are talking about *Jewish* power?

Maybe poor Henry ford and Charles Lindbergh were, in fact, brave and moral men standing up for principles of democracy, fair dealing, and the natural rights of the majority?

I would simply love to have one of the hasbara bots try to cobble together an argument that it is, per se, "hate" of Jews to want to discuss their outsized power transnationally.

I'll take it seriously if its delivered seriously.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:04 | 6597125 Lucky Leprachaun
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"Maybe poor Henry ford and Charles Lindbergh were, in fact, brave and moral men standing up for principles of democracy, fair dealing, and the natural rights of the majority?"

They were.  Which is why they were destroyed. As will any latter day equivalents.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:20 | 6597152 Nostradumbass
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So - someone explain to me, please:

1] Why no one talks about this incredible phenomenon of disproportionate Jewish power in a number of different countries which, we may presume, coordinate with each other and;

More than in a long time, many are beginning to shed the false guilt the Jews have put upon the Aryan (not just Germans) peoples. Not going to go mainstream media for obvious reasons though.

 

http://davidduke.com/hear-dr-duke-on-the-alex-jones-show-and-much-more/  (this has gone viral - listen to it)

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/

http://www.redicemembers.com/  (there is free access as well, but membership is well worth the price)

 

2] How the discussion of "disproportionate power" can be sensibly decried as "racist" If [and only if] we are talking about *Jewish* power?

 

Money = Power in this twisted world. Who has/creates the money? Follow this thread.

 



Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:05 | 6597274 Dickweed Wang
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So - someone explain to me, please:

1] Why no one talks about this incredible phenomenon of disproportionate Jewish power in a number of different countries which, we may presume, coordinate with each other and . . . .

 

Maybe you are new to this site but the issue(s) you raise above are discussed regularly on ZH - actually one of the few places on the net where one can mention those issues without being censored or even being out-right banned from the site. 

Regardless of what the Zionists (they are the REAL problem - not the Jews per se) and their goyim tools want everyone to believe - there is a HUGE problem in the world that has existed for the last 1000 years or more.  That is a group of religious/ideological zealots that comprise less than .001% of the world's population have assumed power in virtually every aspect of the financial, industrial, political and educational institutions of the west.  If not through out-right participation then through the back-door via bribes, "contributions", extortion - you name it. 

People are becoming less and less squeamish about bring up these issues publicly and thankfully the label "anti-semite" is becoming more and more trite as a slur and a relatively ineffective tool to bludgeon people into silence.  In the USA in particular the people need to wake up and get these assholes out of their power bases and take the country back from these crooks.     

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 01:42 | 6598264 bid the soldier...
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Why don't you toilet paper the trees of these crooks and assholes, Wang, and let them know what they can expect if they continue on their chosen way.   :o) 

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 08:22 | 6598539 Dickweed Wang
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Very constructive comment - thanks pal.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:55 | 6599394 bid the soldier...
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I am very sorry, DWW.  I meant no disrespect.

If there is a solution to the epic problem you elucidated besides World War III, I'd like to see it understandably explained here at ZH.

Proto-zionism, as you said, began over 1000 years ago and that cabal is stronger today than at any time since it began.

American hegemony after 200 years is also as strong today as it has ever been, in spite of some set backs in the last 50 years. 

If anyone puts forward a viable plan to achieve your goals, I'll support it to the best of my ability.  

But I can not join a group of idealists whose only tactic is to confront a line of police or soldiers on the streets of NYC or Washington.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:29 | 6598397 DutchR
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Not my list but here you go: 109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250  http://biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

 

Make a study on the why.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:25 | 6597541 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Anonymous(tm) is another CIA front IMHO. Anonymous never goes after Wall Street, and because of that, it has no credibility in my books. Moreover, I don't think they 'began legit'. Nothing the CIA does begins as 'legit'. I could be biased given my lifelong contempt for the CIA, but aside from my bias I still think the CIA sucks n' blows at the same time.

 

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:43 | 6597080 Phoenix901210
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One couldn't possibly make this up if one tried.

Well, you could, it's just that nobody would believe you. Your fiction books would flop because the characters would 'demonstrate behaviours unlikely for intellectually advanced three dimensional human beings'.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:15 | 6597157 litemine
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You overestimate the Lows that drive greedy people, worse if backed by Religion.

By the way, I couldn't down arrow your comment.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:53 | 6597247 Phoenix901210
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Wow, thanks for that.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:15 | 6597320 samsara
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Its a bug. If the post begins with italics you can't vote on it.

Always start a post with one non italics letter even if it's a period or comma or quote mark.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 20:40 | 6597804 Lurk Skywatcher
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And from now we shall all know a hasbara/.gov troll comment because it will invariably start with italics.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:36 | 6598141 Chaos Trend
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You are misinformed. Please report to your local National Guard office for processing. 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:58 | 6597091 Lumberjack
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Guaranteed they did. Big wind is being pushed and like in this case, anti-wind groups are beat down and infiltrated over time. Lots of RICO...

 

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/09/25/business/anti-wind-group-got-conce...

 

PORTLAND, Maine — Wind power developer SunEdison announced it agreed to give $2.75 million to conservation efforts and limit where it pursues wind farms to advance the state’s largest wind project to date in Bingham.

SunEdison said Friday the conservation fund is one part of an agreement between it and the group Friends of Maine Mountains, which in Marchwithdrew an appeal of the Bingham project before the Board of Environmental Protection.

The company and nonprofit said they did not announce the agreement at the time in order to line up the specific conservation projects to benefit from the funds, which were selected by Friends of Maine Mountains, according to its policy director, Chris O’Neil.

The company said it would contribute the $2.5 million to various conservation projects and pursue wind projects only in parts of Aroostook, Somerset, Penobscot, Washington and Hancock counties. None of the funds will go to Friends of Maine Mountains.

The funding will be disbursed through 2017, the company said, with the first $1.5 million disbursed to six groups: The Trust for Public Land, the Appalachian Mountain Club, the Maine Appalachian Trail Land Trust, the Forest Society of Maine, the Atlantic Salmon Federation and the Mahoosuc Land Trust.

“These funds are being made at a critical time when important conservation work is underway,” said Wolfe Tone, The Trust for Public Land’s Maine state director. “They will help advance efforts not only to conserve key forestland and habitat, but also improve access and the opportunities for everyone to experience remarkable Maine landscapes.”

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:37 | 6597198 Lumberjack
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SunEdison, Goldman Sachs funds form $1 billion investment vehicle

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/17/us-sunedison-inc-investment-go...

 

U.S. solar company SunEdison Inc said it would form a $1 billion warehouse investment vehicle along with funds managed by Goldman Sachs Group Inc to fund construction and buy operating assets.

West Street Infrastructure Partners III and its affiliates, managed by Goldman Sachs, will provide $300 million equity for the investment vehicle, WSIP Warehouse, SunEdison said.

A syndicate of banks including Morgan Stanley, Bank of America Corp and Deutsche Bank AG will provide commitments of $700 million debt. Of this, $500 million will be a five-year term loan and $200 million a four-year revolving credit facility.

SunEdison will have the option to expand the facility by up to $1 billion.

"The WSIP Warehouse expands our capacity beyond our existing $1.5 billion First Reserve Warehouse and the $500 million dollar TerraForm Private Warehouse," SunEdison Chief Financial Officer Brian Wuebbels said on Monday.

  

TerraForm Power Inc, a unit of SunEdison, will have an exclusive call right over the warehoused assets, the company said.

 

==========

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/glbl

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/terp

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/sune

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:41 | 6597214 Lumberjack
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dup

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:13 | 6597219 Lumberjack
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WTF?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:52 | 6597096 NoWayJose
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Cap and trade and energy credits is just the government handing out the 'rights' to something to its own supporters, then passing laws so that no one interferes with the 'rights' they just gave out.

Sounds just like property along railroads and interstates.

Or oil leases.

Or lands and titles in England.

Or colonies in the New World.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:48 | 6597581 MalteseFalcon
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Or cable and ISP franchises.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:50 | 6597097 Spitzer
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This guy was one of the lamest USA puppets ever. Glad to see this smug phony gone.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:59 | 6597111 Lucky Leprachaun
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One thing he did was to fully stop the 'boat people' immigration queue jumpers.

But now he's been replaced by a Squid Tribesman everything should be in order.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:05 | 6597136 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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I live in Australia, and this is one of the lamest stories ever. Sure, Abbott was an idiot, but they did not push him out because of some lame global warming/Goldman conspiracy. They pushed him out because he was going to mean their party was going to lose the election in a year's time. The new guy isn't perfect, but he's 10X better than any American politician I'm seeing. Except of course Ron Paul.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:40 | 6597212 Charming Anarchist
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Oh!  I get it!  Elections matter! 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:04 | 6597277 UselessEater
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Goldman got their guy into the PM position with an election? Oh wait, you're right!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:23 | 6597519 Mentaliusanything
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Yes, Yes. Yes!!! Goldman would never risk getting their man, Malcolm Turnbull placed in his position by something a risky as an Election by the People. No they use subtle means in assassination by media and the occasional microphone turned on for compromising sound bites then spin and innuendo to place a little doubt. The Americans do it much better, like watching Presidential candidates in debate and panning camera that never shines on the NON preferred candidate.  Ron Paul never had a chance last time.

All You need to know Is The Squid has another hand picked sock puppet in place just were they need him... Running the largest commodity exporting country in the Southern hemisphere.

Want proof.. Follow the Money. Either Malcolm Turnbull was unusually lucky in life or he was "informed" as where to invest next. In Fact Malcolm has never had a loss in investment and has always found willing buyer for his Busineses for top dollars provided by,,, Guess who??? From an ordinary one parent Family to extraordinary wealth using means unavailable to ordinary people.

And I all started when he was hand picked by Goldman the the year 1990

The fact remains he is a Leader, positioned as head of Australia by means that would shame the overthrow of Julius Caesar.

The Squid would not have it any other way, while doing God's Work

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:57 | 6597255 zebrakid
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Spot on

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:28 | 6597358 UselessEater
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From a series of Fabian PMs to a Rhodes PM to a Goldman PM...yes the politics are much better, at least we do not risk an independent PM (we jailed the last upstart). So its all good, better than the USA.

lol

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:41 | 6597398 tool
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Yes its was all about winning the next election. But to say Turnbull is better NO! He's just a smooth talking self-interest con artist . Listen to his speeches as Prime Minister full of platitudes trying to paint himself as of great orator like all politicians saying a lot without actually saying anything.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:23 | 6597336 Lumberjack
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In Australia, look up Brian Caffyn and Zeehan Zinc and read this. He formed and was involved in UPC/Evergreen/First Wind/IVPC which is now Sun Edison/Terraform.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 10:40 | 6598751 risk.averse
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Sure, Abbott was an idiot, but they did not push him out because of some lame global warming/Goldman conspiracy.

rather bizarre to hear someone who was once a Rhodes Scholar being called "an idiot". Sure, disagree with Abbott's policies/personality/religion/predeliction -for-odd-swimwear but don't call someone you disagree with an idiot. It's....OK, no other word for it: Idiotic!!

For the Turnbull camp to move on Abbott 5 days before a Federal by-election in Western Australia was also revealing. Conventional wisdom says "disunity is (electoral) death" and yet the coup still went --selfishly --  ahead. Couldn't they wait a week? No, Turnbull and his supporters were worried that there might be a good, pro-government result in the by-election. After all, the government candidate was a war-hero in the Afghanistan war. Abbott might be vindicated by a good by-election result.

HAL, do you honestly think, when presented with the choice between Abbott and (Labor leader) Bill Shorten, the punters were going to vote for Shorten's party? Don't think so. The opinion polls had been running against Abbott  for 2 years but you have to wonder about the accuracy of opinion polls. I heard a radio interview with Gary Morgan, head of pollster Roy Morgan Research, and it was *very* revealing to hear Morgan calling (no, demanding!)  for the new Turnbull leadership to make all sorts of changes in priorities. WTF??!! Morgan couldn't contain himself...it was "time for changes". How does such commentary reassure us his firm isn't biased...and is "scientific" in its polling?????

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 00:00 | 6600888 Ace006
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Keeping the Muslim hordes must be wildly unpopular in Oz.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:00 | 6597117 Downtoolong
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Q: What do carbon credits and dollars have in common?

 

A: They are both fiat currencies created by the arbitrary will and discretion of central planners and governments, not by true economic forces. And don’t you just know that’s exactly the kind of thing that Goldman loves to get in the middle of and control, buring the candle at both ends and the middle.  

  

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:10 | 6597145 CheapBastard
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Another victim of Al Goar's Big Hoax.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:04 | 6597273 PlayMoney
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Gore doesn't hoax. He is the truth. I pity the fool that doesn't heed his word that the arctic will be melted by 2015. By 8 months ago it will be gone, oh....wait......

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:22 | 6597170 Rabbit rancher
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Do some geoenginnering create the crisis and loot!

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:36 | 6597183 q99x2
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The Pope works for Goldman Sachs. Blankfein and the Pope work for Satan. God gave Blankfein lymphoma and the Pope a dress but the worst for Goldman Sachs is the onset of the next mini-iceage.

https://youtu.be/7whL9jvdL5s?t=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5piEllAui3U

To benefit from the upcoming iceage read http://www.amazon.com/Global-Crisis-Climate-Catastrophe-Seventeenth/dp/0...

and think about it.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:09 | 6597217 Dickweed Wang
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Anthropomorphic "global warming" has always been a complete psyop and scam to fleece the sheep of their last few cents.  Is "climate change (CC)" real?  Of course it is! The Earth's history is replete of episodes of global warming (GW) and cooling and they have never had anything to do with man's activities on the planet. 

The evidence is OVERWHELMING that changes in Earth's climate are directly linked to; #1 - SOLAR ACTIVITY (or lack thereof) and #2 - volcanic activity. The current period of climate change on Earth is no different than in the past, regardless of what the propagandists at Goldman Sucks and the rest of the One Bank cartel are telling everyone through their MSM tools. Furthermore, evidence is becoming clearer and clearer that the Earth is headed into a mini ice-age - something similar to the Maunder Minimum that ran from the 1600's through the 1700's where the Sun experienced a period of very low sunspot activity which reduced temperatures globally.  TPTB know this and that is the primary reason why the tag line "global warming" was changed to "climate change" about 7-10 years ago.  In fact, if one was to do the research they would find that scientists were very concerned about "global cooling" back in the late 1960's and 1970's.

The other issues that are never discussed by TPTB regarding carbon dioxide emissions are - #1 CO2 rises have always come AFTER rises in the Earth's temperature in the past and #2 there would be HUGE benefits for agriculture world wide if CO2 levels would continue to rise above today's levels (expanded growing zones for agriculture due to warmer temperatures and the simple fact that more CO2 in the air acts as a fertilizer for all plants).  There have even been recent reports from Africa talking about the "greening" of certain areas, that were recently desert, due to the increase in CO2 levels in the atmosphere - bearing out item #2 above.

The old adage of "follow the money" is more applicable to the global warming/climate change scam than it ever has been for any other issue.  Consider that every discussion of "what to do" about climate change (as if man could do anything anyway to change the climate globally, short of world wide nuclear war) invariably includes carbon emission trading/carbon taxes - with the same old gang of criminal bankers positioned to reap enormous financial gains from the scheme.

People need to start doing some critical thinking (if that's even possible these days) and research on this issue to uncover the truth about the GW/CC issue then make a stand against the crooks that are promulgating this nonsense.  If we don't, what is going to happen is the cost of things like gasoline, diesel fuel and electrical power are going to go through the roof as the carbon "cap and trade" scam is forced down everyone's throat.  In a worst case scenario industrial activity like steel plants and coal fired power plants are going to be taxed to a point where it will make no sense to continue to operate.  Given that about 1/2 or more of the electrical power in the USA is generated via coal the end result would be brown outs and complete blackouts due to lack of generating capacity.  Sounds like fun, right?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 19:12 | 6597611 MEAN BUSINESS
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"Based on many studies covering a wide range of regions and crops, negative impacts of climate change on crop yields have been more common than positive impacts (high confidence). The smaller number of studies showing positive impacts relate mainly tohigh-latitude regions, though it is not yet clear whether the balance of impacts has been negative or positive in these regions (high confidence)."

IPCC AR5 WG2 Summary For Policymakers

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Your assertion, Dickweed, that this issue is never discussed is very disingenuous. Where are the low low food prices due to your food abundance? Is your fleet of combines headed for the tundra next spring? lol

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:24 | 6597831 Dickweed Wang
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IPCC AR5 WG2 Summary For Policymakers . . . 

Great source of  information on this issue my friend!  These are the same assholes that have been falsifying data on "climate change" since day one. They are also the same crowd that has had preconditions in their "studies" on global warming/climate change to specifically exclude any effects on the climate other than those generated by man, including solar activity and volcanism (look it up if you don't believe me).  In short, the IPCC is a political entity with an agenda (i.e. to facilitate the implementation of carbon taxes/cap and trade) and is totally worthless as a source of data on the Earth's climate. Therefore your rebuttal isn't worth the paper it wasn't written on.

Also, don't put words in my mouth . . . I never said anything about "low food prices" or any of that other BS that you so nicely included at the end of your post.  My only assertion was/is that CO2 increase in the atmosphere is actually good for plants/agriculture - even if that has not manifested yet.  Funny, I didn't see you dispute that.  If you did then everyone would know you are really full of shit because the issue of CO2 being good for plants is a scientific fact.

As far as the above issue being discussed and me being disingenuous about that I would submit this to you; when is the last time you heard anything about the positive effects of CO2 increase on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc.?  Yeah that's right, NEVER.  Sure you can find a reference in the IPCC toilet paper report but that's it.  That's not the same thing as the constant propaganda we all get on the negative effects of CO2 - which is total BS to begin with.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 02:21 | 6598007 MEAN BUSINESS
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That's right, never, because in the last 20+ years I have rarely turned on my tv, Dickweed Wang. Not that there is nothing on tv worth watching lol. Like it or not, governments don't make GHG emissions policy based on tv. You can be sure that every government on the planet has analyzed, and continues to analyze the AR5 as the Paris meeting rapidly approaches. 

CO2 fertilization is extensively studied. It's a basic biological fact of being a plant. SHOCK! But is there a point of diminishing returns Dickweed?

The purpose of adding the quip about your fleet of combines was to hint that a simple biological fact doesn't mean "everythings awesome!" out here... in the field.

Farmer MEAN

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:08 | 6598827 risk.averse
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well said, Wang-ster.

Doesn't it strike you as ODD, dear ZHedgers, that seemingly the ONLY method to drive change and reductions in carbon emissions is the highly artificial one of Carbon Credits?? Whatever happened to good-ole, old-fachioned government dictate? The US government, through compulsory targets etc has *forced*n auto companies to increase the fuel-efficiency of their vehicles. Here in Australia, a Statist's paradise, where we have more elected politicians per-capita than just about anywhere in the world, it would be easy for government to just decree: no more coal-fired power stations. Or: every new house to have mandatory solar hot-water systems installed. Etc etc. But no....it has to be done via such contrived instruments as carbon credits.

The last time in history such a scam (of buying "credits") was pulled on people was in the extremely lucrative trade in Indulgences back in the 13th through to the 16th centuries, a time when thousands of people across Europe were conned into paying the Church for "free passes" to avoid Purgatory, basically the "transit lounge for sinners" before getting to Heaven. Pardoners travelled the country-side selling plenary indulgences. See--

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

 

This abuse was so massive and widesprad that it led to the Protestant Reformation.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:10 | 6599023 Dickweed Wang
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well said, Wang-ster.

Thank you . . . much appreciated.  Excellent post on your part . . .

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 16:26 | 6599873 rex-lacrymarum
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Absolutely correct. 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:50 | 6597238 ISEEIT
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Hello???

I guess Tyler hasn't read the 'ultra top secret' study about how the banksters and corporations aren't in on the climate change/agenda 2030 thingy.

That's just president obama and the u.n.

Well, and the pope, but he's just going along with it because jesus told him to.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:51 | 6597242 CHoward
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Never bet against the crazies.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:52 | 6597244 thebigunit
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Well, maybe there's a little footsie going on between Goldman Sachs, the UN IPPC, East Anglia University Climate Research Unit, Al Gore, the EPA, and the Obama Administration.

But at least the Pope and the Vatican Bank aren't involved.

They're not involved, right?

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:25 | 6597543 bid the soldier...
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more like tentaclesie, than footsie, but who's counting appendages?

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:52 | 6597590 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Pope Ponzi Casino Capitalism Climate Change is now flying back to Rome in his Pope Ponzi Casino Capitalism Climate Change Airliner that drinks hundreds of gallons of jet fuel & SPEWS carbon. The Vatican Bank is counting the money as we write. And GS is counting the carbon credits. Pope Ponzi Casino Capitalism Climate Change is likely counting sheep, and cow farts.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:12 | 6597309 buzzsaw99
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people are so gullible

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:06 | 6597479 the_narrator
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Carbon Credits can only be purchased in dollars.  It's the new Petrodollar motherf*ckers!!  Everybody better keep those treasuries around as reserves to pay for their carbon credits.  Doesn't matter if you get your energy from Uncle Putin, you still have to pay in greenbacks for it.  If you get it from the Saudis, you have to buy treasuries twice.  Once when you buy it from the Saudis and they put the money into treasuries and the second time when you buy your carbon credits.  

You Goldman cats are f'in brilliant!  Bravo!  

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:20 | 6597527 bid the soldier...
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Actually it were Abbott's incompetence what cost him his job.

 

Who can forget him "shirt fronting" Putin?

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:23 | 6598885 risk.averse
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Who can forget him "shirt fronting" Putin?

...and what, pray tell, was Abbott supposed to do to Putin? Declare war? Challenge Putin to a duel? Trial by combat? Putin armed the rebels in the Ukraine who then proceeded to shoot down a civilain airliner with dozens of Australians on board.

Abbott's "incompetence", as you described it, was mostly due to an obstructionist Senate (the Australian upper house in Parliament, where the government doesn't have a voting majority). Yes, he did some odd things -- like nominate Prince Philip for yet-another knighthood. The media here were gunning for him. The Sydney Morning Herald was on a mission to get rid of Abbott, with VERY few positive stories printed about Abbott. You can tell a lot about a newspaper's biases by looking at the photos their editors choose to acompany stories. In 2 years of perusing the Herald, with articles about Abbott a daily occurrence,  i did not see a single photo of Abbott that wasn't mocking, grim or just mean-spirited.

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:32 | 6597553 thebigunit
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When the Vampire Squid is sighted at the scene of the crime, the first question that comes to mind is: "What's going on here".

And the instinctive answer is: "They're up to no good".

By now, people have figured out that "global warming" is about nothing more than ways to get more dollars stuck to the squid's tentacles.

"Carbon credits"

"Cap and trade"

"Carbon exchanges"

It's busines.

And business is about revenues.

Banks are businesses.  Banks have employees.  Employees have kids.  Kids need shoes.

Banks need revenues.

So, if you're a bank, and Goldman Sachs has thoughtfully created a new business that will create billions of dollars of cash transactions, isn't the responsible banking thing to do is get a piece of the action.

But banking is all about MONEY, and some people find that crass and icky.

So, if your business model is built on "doing good" and "helping the poor", how do you get some of these "green dollars" to stick to YOUR tentacles without looking crass and greedy?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/02/130228-environmental-pop...

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/09/pope-francis-has-proved-bernie-right-...

The Pope is a banker!

Only, he's a NICE banker, not an awful banker like J.P.Morgan.

And, if someone's bank is going to be stuffed with billions of dollars of carbon credit dollars, why not the nice, good, smily, caring Pope's bank?

Amen!

 

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 20:04 | 6597613 Radical Marijuana
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Humans blamed for climate change is a hyper-complicated issue! It is all too typical on Zero Hedge that whenever any environmental issues are raised, the articles and comments push cynicism to the point of stupidity and become grossly over-simplified.

There is NO doubt that civilization is controlled by ENFORCING FRAUDS, and so, ALL sociopolitical institutions tend to be dominated by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. However, while that makes sifting through environmental science become way more difficult, that does NOT necessarily invalidate environmental science itself!

Most of those who begin to recognize the degree to which the banksters profit from every evil thing that they can possibly do tend to respond by excessively over-generalizing. My opinion is that we are headed toward serious cases which are like the sayings:

"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

Or,

"The boy who cried wolf."

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:37 | 6597915 rejected
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""The credibility of Government agencies is important and must be ensured," the letter read."

Wow.... credibility and government in the same sentence!  Wonders never cease!

From Wiki

Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a colorless, odorless gas vital to life on Earth. This naturally occurring chemical compound is composed of a carbon atom covalently double bonded to two oxygen atoms

And who is man to determine what quantity of any element that makes up our life giving atmosphere of this planet that was here billions of years before the ape. Name one successful program executed by any government that didn't turn into a quagmire of fraud.

Isn't it absolutely amazing man attacking the very element that gives him life. Only man is audacious, arrogant and stupid enough to further agendas that are destined to kill millions at best or destroy all life at worse,,, all for the fiat made before the final curtain falls.  

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:40 | 6597920 tumblemore
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Global warming was always a con - originally an NWO type con coming out of institutions like the UN based on creating imaginary global threats to push people inot global governance and then after a bit of initial resistance accepted and jumped on by big business and the banking mafia as a money making tool.

 

People say there are too many people involved in th science for it to be a con but they forget there are only very few involved in collecting the data and that's where the con is - as proven years ago by the climategate emails.

 

Or more simply: Turnbull is GS ergo a bad guy by definition.

 

Sat, 09/26/2015 - 22:37 | 6598033 TeethVillage88s
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Valuable Quote:

"While we hardly have to remind readers that it is Goldman that conceived of the carbon-credit market, and was behind cap and trade, here is an (in)convenient summary of who the true puppetmaster is behind the worldwide infatuation with stopping "global warming", and who stands to benefit the most as the world is manipulated into doing everything to kill global warming dead in its tracks, courtesy of Matt Taibbi:"

- Goldman is behind the Banking Schemes for Global Warming

"…Fast-forward to today. it’s early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs – its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign – sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.Gone are HankPaulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm’s co-head of finance.) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits – a booming trillion dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an “environmental plan,” called cap-and-trade.

The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that’s been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won’t even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance. "

- Holy Shit

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 00:49 | 6598226 The Shape
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This gives Abbott too much credit. He's a fucking idiot.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 01:06 | 6598245 OZZIDOWNUNDER
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Not ONLY a fucking idiot - he was hated & despised even by those who voted for the Liberals at the last election. This was the tool who said he was going to "shirt front" Putin.

A public lynching would be in order for this rock ape - thank dog he's gone!

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 18:42 | 6600227 risk.averse
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how many Rhodes scholarships you got, Ozziedownunder?????

As you're a ZHedger, it puzzles me why you have seemingly bought the "Abbott is an idiot" mantra that the Left-wing media -- led by the ABC and the Sydney Morning herald, a paper that's mostly staffed by ex-university student "journalists" who have swapped Che Guevara teeshirts for suits -- has chanted for years. I thought ZHedgers were more cynical and thought a bit more deeply about what the mass-media shovelled out. Wasn't a similar tactic used against Reagan? Some "idiot". Wasn't the tactic of doubting the mental competence of its critics used by the Soviet KGB back in the glory days of the late Cold War? (used because throwing its critics into the Gulag got too embarrassing).

"hated"???? By whom? Ozzie you have swallowed this Psyops crap hook line and sinker. Today, there are reports that many Liberal rank-and-file party members have resigned their parrty membership in response to the ouster of Abbott.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 09:14 | 6598593 venturen
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I'll know things are bad...when Goldman buy a Guillotine maker

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:26 | 6598893 TXSOONER
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BINGO Tyler

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:30 | 6599324 Cosmic Ray
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I read an article not too long ago that said the global cap-and-trade market is estimated to be $20 trillion per year. Couple this with the fact that some of the same people who helped with the creation of the credit derivatives have also worked on them for the cap-and-trade market and I bet the value of them would far exceed the $600 trillion dollar credit derivative value I read about in the NY TImes.

 

Another thing to watch for is a carbon tax. What this will do is bring in so much money (mainly from what's left of the middle-class) that the rich will be off the hook to pay ther fair share to pay down the debt, etc. Too bad the 'intellegent' people on the left can't see this. Nor can they see that when companies pay more for goods becuase of a carbon price, that the cost willl be passed on to cosumers. Jonathan Gruber could explain this a little better. 

 

Even more interesting is that a global cap-and-trade is a way to redistrubte wealth from rich nations to poor nations. And I believe that is precisly the main intended reason for it. The added costs of goods would be passed on to us (Democrats, see Jonathan Gruber) and companies would buy international offsets that spur development in other countries. 

 

Regarding the investigation of the BOM, I think that's an excellent idea. The same should be done here in the US for NASA/GISS and NOAA data. Why? Becuase if it's valid, then its a huge blow to the skeptical view. If there is wrongdoing with the temperature data (and I believe there is), then we can fuck the left over with the fallout from it. In short, it should end their dream of a global socialist utopia. 

 

And by the way, one would think that if the adjustments to the temperature data could all be explained away and the results did show warming, that they would be opening up their data, methods, calculatisons, etc. and going out of their way to  show us. Instead, I see a circling of wagons.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:42 | 6599361 vladiki
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From Oz.
Goldman's a huge parasite the world would be better without and it's just possible Turnbull has some evil Goldman agenda. But probably not.
Abbott (and I voted for him)did a good job "stopping the boats" of illegal immigrants, but did odd things, like restoring the old British honours system and giving Prince Phillip a knighthood. That had EVERYONE wondering if he was right in the head. He's no scientist but said 6 years ago "Climate change is bullshit". That phrase hung round his neck like a weight. It had 25% of the population whooping, but the other 75% worried because they knew he couldn't know that. His ignorance of economics troubled everyone and more so because his Treasurer (Hockey) was seen as a dud. His ratings were always poor, kept falling, and he was dumped by his own party in Parliament who knew he'd lose them their seats at the next election. Oz has been waiting for 2 years for Turnbull to take over. He's very popular across the whole spectrum. He picked his time. Few feel sorry for Abbott and most feel his investigation of the BoM was weird and inappropriate.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 00:24 | 6600916 Ace006
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I'm no scientist and anthr. global warming is bullshit.

Sun, 09/27/2015 - 16:24 | 6599867 rex-lacrymarum
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It is important to realize that the surface temperature data are in fact fabricated. NOAA and similar organizations have artificially cooled the past in order to make a non-existent warming trend appear. Interestingly, satellite data, which they haven't gotten around to fiddling with yet, show zero warming over the past two decades - even though the microscopically small amount of  CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by one third over the same span. In effect the real data completely contradict every "modeled" prediction ever made by the climate alarmists. Indeed, not a single thing they have predicted since 1980 has happened - in many cases, the exact opposite occurred.

But it is a truly giant gravy train. Back in the 70s, "climate science" was a tiny also-ran branch of science, essentially a few guys sitting around in the equivalent of a broom closet. But then Margaret Thatcher came across the "global warming" theory that blamed CO2 for some vague future apocalypse, and realized it would serve as useful propaganda in her struggle against the Marxist union of coal miners under Arthur Scargill. If only she had known what a monster she was about to unleash.

Suddenly, funding for "climate science" soared. Those at the receiving end of this unexpected splurge of taxpayer-funded largesse immediately recognized what a great deal this was for them - and correctly concluded that in order to keep the money flowing, they had to make up a convincing scare story. This scare story has by now morphed into outright hysteria, even as the actual data completely contradict it. Follow the money: we are talking about 10s of billions every year by now, on which thousands of "scientists", bureaucrats and assorted NGOs and hanger-ons depend. Jetting from conference to conference, slurping champaigne and gorging on caviar, and receiving salaries most ordinary people can only dream of. Obviously they will do anything to keep this gig on the road. 

Moreover, the environmental movement has been completely infiltrated by authoritarian leftists after their sugar daddy in Moscow expired in the early 90s. Their plan is essentially to utterly destroy what little is left of free market capitalism, as they expect that they will be able to take power in the ensuing chaos as civilization implodes. Their biggest problem is that Mother Nature isn't complying - the slight cyclical warming trend that began in 1976 (after 30 years of cooling) has ended 20 years ago. It seems highly likely that a cooling trend is on the menu next, as sunspot activity has declined significantly. That is very bad for humanity (a warming climate is and always has been beneficial to human civilization - cooling by constrast is very bad), but it will be a great joy to see these bastards squirm as they scramble to come up with excuses for their failures (the 20 year "pause" has already produced more than 60 different excuses via "peer-reviewed" papers. Peer review in climate science serves mainly as a gate-keeper function - papers that don't support the warmist theory as a rule rarely get the nod). 

The political class is greatly in favor of keeping climate hysteria alive as well, as it invites greater government control over the economy, more central planning and regulations, higher taxes, and so forth. Abbott was a rare exception to the rule - presumably because he was more of an accidental than a professional politician. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 00:32 | 6600926 Ace006
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Very thoughtful. Thanks.

Fascinating about Thatcher. Big mistake. I'm sure it had no effect on the unions.

Did you ever see "Brassed Off"? Great movie and hard core anti-Thatcher.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 09:32 | 6601455 SmittyinLA
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Meet HR 83 "CROMNIBUS" not only does it fund everything.........it funds $1.7b in global warming propaganda a year

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