If car guy Eric Peters is right (and I'm not saying that he is), then the VW "scandal" is something else altogether:
None of the VW cars now in the crosshairs are unreliable, dangerous or shoddily built. They were simply programmed to give their owners best-case fuel economy and performance. Software embedded within each vehicle’s computer – which monitors and controls the operation of the engine – would furtively adjust those parameters slightly to sneak by emissions tests when the vehicle was plugged in for testing. But once out on the road, the calibrations would revert to optimal – for mileage and performance.
Now, the hysterical media accounts of the above make it seem that the alteration via code of the vehicles’ exhaust emissions was anything but slight. Shrill cries of up to “40 times” the “allowable maximum” echo across the land.
Well, true.
But, misleading.
Because not defined – put in context.
What is the “allowable maximum”?
It is a very small number.
Less than 1 percent of the total volume of the car’s exhaust. We are talking fractions of percentages here. Which is why talk of “40 times” is so misleading and, frankly, deliberately dishonest.
I'm not talking about whatever golden parachute Winterkorn gets; I'm just wondering whether Eric Peters is right about the percentage of total exhaust emissions that VW has been caught cheating on. If he's right, then this could be a witch hunt of cataclysmic proportions, not just for VW and its suppliers but for the German economy and beyond.
My big question is when it comes time to RENEW the license plates on these cars, which includes the annual or biannual smog inspection, WILL THESE CARS PASS OR WILL THEY BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD?
Please do not interrupt the demonization of capitalism and the construction of yet another government act of theft on a grand scale with pointed questions.
"Everything the government says is lie." Everything the corporate elite say is a lie. Trust is an opiate. Doubt is the beginning of wisdom. Rejection of indoctrination is the second step to saying NO.
The government didn't even catch them. An Independant tester blew the whistle.
Now I thinking, he could have went to VW and asked for a consulting fee. But that might me construed as criminal.
Now I'm thinking he may be entitled to a percentage of the fine.
Either way, the EPA was clearly outgunned by the German enginneers. Which is probably not saying much.
We must stifle small business and entrepreneurship, in fact licence it, regulate it, bog it down with red tape into oblivion, so that the large business owners can thrive & survive, to provide Jobs!-Jobs!-Jobs! for the masses!
Germany made the mistake of being too friendly with Russia and did not want to go along with the ZATO psychopaths. So your biggest car company gets attacked - just like Toyota for not unionizing US plants or BNP for helping Russia sell off their worthless US Treasury bonds.
VW-Audis are still pretty crappy but they did not kill 147 people like GM-Obama-UAW Motors with defective ignitions.
There's no EU. There are open borders and a common currency and of course a massive amount of bureaucracy. Europe with its sovereign nations will inevitably join a Russo/Sino alliance and ultimately pacify the Middle East. Only Europeans can deliver real freedom to the Middle East in form of a European style Renaissance and Reformation.
The muslims are behind the eight ball because they've been stripped bare of their best and brightest thinkers, philosphers and interpreters of the Koran. It's been an ongoing process for decades now.
Whose fault is this?
U.S.A. again trying to fix a cultural problem with a crowbar
Fucking Americans only know how to crap in someone else's backyard, take advantage of the situation and then leave.
This American would be only too happy to see the rest of the world handle their own affairs minus our imposed help. obama never asked my opinion unfortunately. We do have our own problems that need to be dealt with.
They're just pissed because it looks like obama might not cinch the carbon deal. Germany will be fine. A reshuffle of players maybe, but all is still on track-:)
Some of this might just be el bozo or any of those who have been given 'license' to loot, rob, steal, deceive, abuse, exterminate....blah, blah, blah
Humanity.
In general I would remain skeptical of schemes having born out only misery and death for the supposed beneficiaries of collectivist 'success'.
Lets just say that 'science' suggest central planning has only one end, and that that end is cataclysmic for individual human persons?
Society is 'run' on a 'script'...at least in theory. And largely in practice as well.
Some 'shows' are better than others.
This current one isn't very good. Not good at all. Very bad.
If I had a Diesel VW, and I was asked to bring it in for a recall, unless the EPA would prevent my car from passing inspection I probably wouldn't bother, since the Recall will probably lower the millage of my car.
If given the choice between fuel economy and performance or cleaner emissions, well, cleaner emissions be damned, the fuck I care, no one buys a Diesel Automobile for cleaner emissions, you buy a diesel automobile so you can.... burn diesel fuel.
And as far as the U.S. Govt deceiving the public, well thats what governments do , governments are a business, and the business is operating a Tax Farm For Profit, they quite frankly dont care who they are deceiving as long as tax revenue comes in and the million dollar golf outings continue.
The EPA'S "crack down" on Volkswagen has little to do with protecting the environment, and everything to do with charging VW some fines/milking them.
As far as I am concerned, VW was doing consumers a favor by providing them with better fuel economy and a way to subvert government emissions tests.
Diesel VWs are a drop in the bucket compared to Diesel burning tankers and freighters circling around the globe. Not to mention the massive fleet of military equipment that's idling all around the world for no apparent reason just to keep pretending there's a reason to have this military.
If you're happy with the mileage and the performance of your VW - DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES!
As far as I am concerned, VW was doing consumers a favor by providing them with better fuel economy and a way to subvert government emissions tests.
Absolutely! In my view, what VW did was morally equivalent to "cheating on their taxes." Fuck the govenment.
The size of the fine tells me that this has more to do with keeping diesels out of the USSA, possibly because they compete with electric cars and threaten GM.
The EPA'S "crack down" on Volkswagen has little to do with protecting the environment, and everything to do with charging VW some fines/milking them.
It also gives lie to the EPAs stated mission of improving fuel efficiency.
If I had a Diesel VW, and I was asked to bring it in for a recall, unless the EPA would prevent my car from passing inspection I probably wouldn't bother, since the Recall will probably lower the millage of my car.
I stopped taking my Toyota for inspection over ten years ago. Over that time, I was stopped six times for speeding. Only three cops noticed the sticker. One warned me to get the car inspected and two ticketed me. The fines cost about seventy dollars each. The reason I did it was because the cost of repairs to bring the car up to emission standards was substantially more than the cost of the two tickets.
I have a new car now, an Audi. I don't plan on getting my cars inspected ever again. BTW, I'm thrilled with the S5 I bought. Now I'm even more proud to be an Audi owner. Time will tell how reliable it is.
Seems to me that VW met the letter of the law. The vechicle must pass the emissions test. It says nothing about emmisions while the vechicle is actually on the road.
Anyone asked how many other atuo manufactures are stepping up to admiting the same thing? Kudos to VW for being smart.
That sweet narrow angle v-6 was discontiued last last year, and the Passat looks like a police cruiser.
Audies are overweight slugs that look like ameobas on four wheels.
Volkswagons are junk. Anyone that knows anything about the car industry, understands that.
BMW's are bloated pieces of shit, and Audies' are pathetic. Volkswagen acquired Porche and gave the moniker autonomy. That Audi R-8 v-10 looks and drives like shit.
BMW is a fucking joke! Bloated junk. I like the M-6 coupe, but I'de take a v-10 normally aspiratedM5 circa 2006 any day.
You little wanbe downvoting pussies make me laugh. My daily driver is a 2008/9 Ferrari 599 GTO, that I special ordered. Ask J.R. If you don't believe me. It's silver, and I payed extra for the Daytona package.
They have too much chassis flex. Lamborghini is geat show car.
The front subfame has always been weak. Too much torsional flex.
Ferrari has classic unbridled heritage. I owned my first Ferrari ( 1980 308 GTSi)
That car was like riding around on a wash-board. Really rigid. I had to cover it at night, in the underground parking structure. It was red with tan Connolly leather.
Man the valve train clater from that small block (blueprinted) Italian V-8 was music to my ears.
at the epa passing the test is goal one - they look good saving the planet..nobody at EPA wanted this news out. what's the mission of the epa again?? how long have they known about the cheating?? my guess from the first test. the dc .gov is filled with people rubber stamping bs tests and paperwork who know nothing of the products tested.
Outed CEO should write a book. How to kill a worldwide brand with one stupid decision (and a lot of greed). The software code was on every vehicle and he thought no one would talk? How stupid could you possibly be?
I don't think that most Americans know the history of this car company, or that even its name, translated into English, means "lightning war of extermination in the East".
So, which is the greater moral crime against humanity and "the environment"?
A. Volkswagen tweaking the parameters to "game" the EPA's pollution testing of it's diesel engines in 10,000 cars? Or,
B. East Anglia University Climate Research Unit MAKING UP parameters to put into computer climate models relied on by the UN IPPC to create completely bogus historical "hockey stick" temperature graphs to justify TRILLIONS of dollars in global carbon taxes?
israel and jew
VW - Fucking amateurs!
If car guy Eric Peters is right (and I'm not saying that he is), then the VW "scandal" is something else altogether:
None of the VW cars now in the crosshairs are unreliable, dangerous or shoddily built. They were simply programmed to give their owners best-case fuel economy and performance. Software embedded within each vehicle’s computer – which monitors and controls the operation of the engine – would furtively adjust those parameters slightly to sneak by emissions tests when the vehicle was plugged in for testing. But once out on the road, the calibrations would revert to optimal – for mileage and performance.
Now, the hysterical media accounts of the above make it seem that the alteration via code of the vehicles’ exhaust emissions was anything but slight. Shrill cries of up to “40 times” the “allowable maximum” echo across the land.
Well, true.
But, misleading.
Because not defined – put in context.
What is the “allowable maximum”?
It is a very small number.
Less than 1 percent of the total volume of the car’s exhaust. We are talking fractions of percentages here. Which is why talk of “40 times” is so misleading and, frankly, deliberately dishonest.
http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/09/23/crucified-by-uncle
40,000 people die long agonizing pulmonary constriction deaths from air pollution and the VW CEO gets very rich. Minor indeed.
I'm not talking about whatever golden parachute Winterkorn gets; I'm just wondering whether Eric Peters is right about the percentage of total exhaust emissions that VW has been caught cheating on. If he's right, then this could be a witch hunt of cataclysmic proportions, not just for VW and its suppliers but for the German economy and beyond.
My big question is when it comes time to RENEW the license plates on these cars, which includes the annual or biannual smog inspection, WILL THESE CARS PASS OR WILL THEY BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD?
IN either case, THEN WHAT?
That took a lot longer than I expected.
People should respect Obama and the government more.
More than what?
More than stepping in dog do do, for example.
Up vote for Obama as the biggest liar
Down vote for VW
Up vote for government as the biggest liar.
Down vote for anybody else.
Hint: "Everything the state says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen." — Frederich Nietzsche
Nope. I do not respect Lying queers or the cocks Obama sucks.
Whatever shit for brains, why should should we respect corruption ? When the truth comes out Obama will hang for treason.
"Obama will hang for treason."
Should but won't, anymore than anyone else involved in the destruction of America, meaning any national politician.
Get over it, and get out of the way:
http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduc...
Otherwise, go about your business.
Well Mr. 2 weeks 5 days, why don't you go to another venue and wash Obozos balls? Screw Obozo, the govt and you.
Please do not interrupt the demonization of capitalism and the construction of yet another government act of theft on a grand scale with pointed questions.
Prius drivers
"Say Woook, ummm, errr, ahhh, Michelle...you did contact whats-his-face about staying at his place in Hawaii again next month didn't you?" - The Won
"Everything the government says is lie." Everything the corporate elite say is a lie. Trust is an opiate. Doubt is the beginning of wisdom. Rejection of indoctrination is the second step to saying NO.
VW's lie was much more efficient...
The government didn't even catch them. An Independant tester blew the whistle.
Now I thinking, he could have went to VW and asked for a consulting fee. But that might me construed as criminal.
Now I'm thinking he may be entitled to a percentage of the fine.
Either way, the EPA was clearly outgunned by the German enginneers. Which is probably not saying much.
The EPA protects the environment the same way the SEC protects the small investor.
Enforcement arms of the "protection" agencies
Pretty much.
We must stifle small business and entrepreneurship, in fact licence it, regulate it, bog it down with red tape into oblivion, so that the large business owners can thrive & survive, to provide Jobs!-Jobs!-Jobs! for the masses!
Yeah, pretty much.
Amish Hacker- Statement of the day!!
>> Obama sucks cock
>> Mooch has a dick
Can we vote twice ?
Only if you are an illegal alien...
Really. Why vote at all?
Voting his poll is just like choosing the next President.
Is it a Coca Cola for you?
Or will a Pepsi Cola suffice?
Why Europe is geting all those new refugees pouring in and Volkswagon is getting hammered?!!!
Da Da Da!...
Guess Germany needs to beware of Middle Eastern like refugees bearing gifts???!!!!
Germany made the mistake of being too friendly with Russia and did not want to go along with the ZATO psychopaths. So your biggest car company gets attacked - just like Toyota for not unionizing US plants or BNP for helping Russia sell off their worthless US Treasury bonds.
VW-Audis are still pretty crappy but they did not kill 147 people like GM-Obama-UAW Motors with defective ignitions.
There's no EU. There are open borders and a common currency and of course a massive amount of bureaucracy. Europe with its sovereign nations will inevitably join a Russo/Sino alliance and ultimately pacify the Middle East. Only Europeans can deliver real freedom to the Middle East in form of a European style Renaissance and Reformation.
The muslims are behind the eight ball because they've been stripped bare of their best and brightest thinkers, philosphers and interpreters of the Koran. It's been an ongoing process for decades now.
Whose fault is this?
U.S.A. again trying to fix a cultural problem with a crowbar
Fucking Americans only know how to crap in someone else's backyard, take advantage of the situation and then leave.
Most Americans do not know or want to know what thier goverment is doing. Blame the Banksters and their puppet USA governement not the Americans.
This American would be only too happy to see the rest of the world handle their own affairs minus our imposed help. obama never asked my opinion unfortunately. We do have our own problems that need to be dealt with.
The guy currently playing president is a fraud, a punk, a CIA asset?
The truth is different than most individuals are taught to believe it is.
I hear that IBD is guilty of exaggerating it's positive impact on the public.
Now what have the Germans done to upset the US.
They're just pissed because it looks like obama might not cinch the carbon deal. Germany will be fine. A reshuffle of players maybe, but all is still on track-:)
Some of this might just be el bozo or any of those who have been given 'license' to loot, rob, steal, deceive, abuse, exterminate....blah, blah, blah
Humanity.
In general I would remain skeptical of schemes having born out only misery and death for the supposed beneficiaries of collectivist 'success'.
Lets just say that 'science' suggest central planning has only one end, and that that end is cataclysmic for individual human persons?
Society is 'run' on a 'script'...at least in theory. And largely in practice as well.
Some 'shows' are better than others.
This current one isn't very good. Not good at all. Very bad.
Turn it off?
Ask for their Gold back?
Oh goodie...I just discovered some 'not' propaganda..
LOL..
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/26/california-drought-conspi...
If I had a Diesel VW, and I was asked to bring it in for a recall, unless the EPA would prevent my car from passing inspection I probably wouldn't bother, since the Recall will probably lower the millage of my car.
If given the choice between fuel economy and performance or cleaner emissions, well, cleaner emissions be damned, the fuck I care, no one buys a Diesel Automobile for cleaner emissions, you buy a diesel automobile so you can.... burn diesel fuel.
And as far as the U.S. Govt deceiving the public, well thats what governments do , governments are a business, and the business is operating a Tax Farm For Profit, they quite frankly dont care who they are deceiving as long as tax revenue comes in and the million dollar golf outings continue.
The EPA'S "crack down" on Volkswagen has little to do with protecting the environment, and everything to do with charging VW some fines/milking them.
As far as I am concerned, VW was doing consumers a favor by providing them with better fuel economy and a way to subvert government emissions tests.
Diesel VWs are a drop in the bucket compared to Diesel burning tankers and freighters circling around the globe. Not to mention the massive fleet of military equipment that's idling all around the world for no apparent reason just to keep pretending there's a reason to have this military.
If you're happy with the mileage and the performance of your VW - DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES!
Not to mention the prolific flights on Air Force 1 by 0bama
As far as I am concerned, VW was doing consumers a favor by providing them with better fuel economy and a way to subvert government emissions tests.
Absolutely! In my view, what VW did was morally equivalent to "cheating on their taxes." Fuck the govenment.
The size of the fine tells me that this has more to do with keeping diesels out of the USSA, possibly because they compete with electric cars and threaten GM.
The EPA'S "crack down" on Volkswagen has little to do with protecting the environment, and everything to do with charging VW some fines/milking them.
It also gives lie to the EPAs stated mission of improving fuel efficiency.
They never factor in the expense and pollution generated producing the low emmission add ons and fuel economy lost (more fuel burned)
Leftists - morons to their last breath
If I had a Diesel VW, and I was asked to bring it in for a recall, unless the EPA would prevent my car from passing inspection I probably wouldn't bother, since the Recall will probably lower the millage of my car.
I stopped taking my Toyota for inspection over ten years ago. Over that time, I was stopped six times for speeding. Only three cops noticed the sticker. One warned me to get the car inspected and two ticketed me. The fines cost about seventy dollars each. The reason I did it was because the cost of repairs to bring the car up to emission standards was substantially more than the cost of the two tickets.
I have a new car now, an Audi. I don't plan on getting my cars inspected ever again. BTW, I'm thrilled with the S5 I bought. Now I'm even more proud to be an Audi owner. Time will tell how reliable it is.
Seems to me that VW met the letter of the law. The vechicle must pass the emissions test. It says nothing about emmisions while the vechicle is actually on the road.
Anyone asked how many other atuo manufactures are stepping up to admiting the same thing? Kudos to VW for being smart.
Hillary, is that you? :)
pogue carburator
Charles Pogue Carb.
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=986
Smoggy people movers.
Heil Hitler/ lol
That sweet narrow angle v-6 was discontiued last last year, and the Passat looks like a police cruiser.
Audies are overweight slugs that look like ameobas on four wheels.
Volkswagons are junk. Anyone that knows anything about the car industry, understands that.
BMW's are bloated pieces of shit, and Audies' are pathetic. Volkswagen acquired Porche and gave the moniker autonomy. That Audi R-8 v-10 looks and drives like shit.
BMW is a fucking joke! Bloated junk. I like the M-6 coupe, but I'de take a v-10 normally aspiratedM5 circa 2006 any day.
You little wanbe downvoting pussies make me laugh. My daily driver is a 2008/9 Ferrari 599 GTO, that I special ordered. Ask J.R. If you don't believe me. It's silver, and I payed extra for the Daytona package.
Where is the real Yen?
I upvote you for being a real snob. Takes fucking guts to come on here and give us the opinion from your side of the table.
Now, when can we have a people's Ferrari that's not costing North of 200k?
Also a Ferrari that may not require a $8,000 regular tune up every 5,000 miles?
Remember the Porche 928S? The 'Peoples Porche' I believe is no longer made. I prefer my fuel guzzling Super Duty Ford.
Hero!
Will BMW ever recover from the hellish damage wrought by the horrible American Chris Bangle?
Redacted
I've driven a few Lamborghini's
They have too much chassis flex. Lamborghini is geat show car.
The front subfame has always been weak. Too much torsional flex.
Ferrari has classic unbridled heritage. I owned my first Ferrari ( 1980 308 GTSi)
That car was like riding around on a wash-board. Really rigid. I had to cover it at night, in the underground parking structure. It was red with tan Connolly leather.
Man the valve train clater from that small block (blueprinted) Italian V-8 was music to my ears.
I was hooked!
1st rule of Fight Club...
China does it and they don't deny it.
at the epa passing the test is goal one - they look good saving the planet..nobody at EPA wanted this news out. what's the mission of the epa again?? how long have they known about the cheating?? my guess from the first test. the dc .gov is filled with people rubber stamping bs tests and paperwork who know nothing of the products tested.
Outed CEO should write a book. How to kill a worldwide brand with one stupid decision (and a lot of greed). The software code was on every vehicle and he thought no one would talk? How stupid could you possibly be?
I don't think that most Americans know the history of this car company, or that even its name, translated into English, means "lightning war of extermination in the East".
This is concerning.
'Volkswagen' means 'peoples car'; Hitler was a leftists thus the name.
No, no. I've done my homework on this.
Even the more recent brand "Jetta" translates as "special-task mobile extermination unit".
It's really quite remarkable. What the hell is going on?
Dude - delusional
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie...
Keep Austria white!
So, which is the greater moral crime against humanity and "the environment"?
A. Volkswagen tweaking the parameters to "game" the EPA's pollution testing of it's diesel engines in 10,000 cars? Or,
B. East Anglia University Climate Research Unit MAKING UP parameters to put into computer climate models relied on by the UN IPPC to create completely bogus historical "hockey stick" temperature graphs to justify TRILLIONS of dollars in global carbon taxes?