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A German Explains Why VW's "Moral Demise" Is A Burden For The Entire Nation
Submitted byClemens Bomsdorf via Saxo Group's TradingFloor.com,
- Up to 11 million cars, equal to annual VW group sales, might have to be recalled
- Volkswagen is Germany's biggest employer
- VW is seen as the country's most important company
- Family ownership of VWs near universal in Germany
- The moral demise of VW is a burden for the whole country
Maybe the US fans that called the Beetle Bug already knew the company's future trouble.
Volkswagen’s enormous scandal, aka #dieselgate, is shaking up a whole country –Germany. That is not only because the car maker is its biggest private employer, it is more than that. Volkswagen is Germany. With the future of the company as a main player of the motor industry at risk, the German self-perception and its image as the land of correctness and perfectionist engineers are brought into question.
Successful, but humble
Until very recently VW was just like Germany: successful, but humble. Now people in Germany have to ask themselves how it can be that the success of the biggest player in its most famous industry was partly built on misusing German engineering perfectionism for cheating.
Could it be that what made many German companies become world leaders – not accepting solutions that aren’t perfect – actually worked against them?
Zero emissions – at least until the engine is started. Photo: iStock
Fearing a management that does not take a “No, under this circumstances it is impossible” as an answer, very ambitious and talented employers instead of admitting that not everything is doable, might have used their capabilities to deny they are not perfect.
A car company like a country
Hence, something might have been seriously wrong with the company’s culture. Now, up to 11 million vehicles – which equals roughly twice the January-July 2015 sales of Volkswagen Group (mainly consisting of VW) – might have to be recalled.
VW shares over the last ten days
Source: Saxo Bank.
Does that mean there might be something seriously wrong with Germany as a whole as well? After all, the story of VW has mirrored the story of the whole country more than any other corporation’s.
It did so from its foundation during and by the Nazi regime to the recent restoration of Germany as an economic superpower. The car maker showed that Germany cannot (and of course it should not) deny its ugly past. By facing up its history honestly, the company was able to position itself as the main pillar of the European motor industry and a force to be reckoned with internationally. (As recently as the start of this year VW announced it would soon employ more than 600,000 people world-wide).
No class of its own
What VW made in the car world, Germany managed on the political and societal stage.
The company and the country are still interwoven like no others. Not only is VW the private entity employing most people in Germany and therefore extremely important for its wellbeing. The state of Lower Saxony is also its controlling shareholder. It is also therefore that it attracts attention like no other. (For a satirical approach to the history of VW's failures read this article.)
German chancellor Angela Merkel once drove a Golf, it was sold on eBay.
How strongly even those neither working in the sector, nor living in Lower Saxony relate to VW is revealed by the term “Generation Golf”. The title of one of the most famous German non-fiction books of the last 15 years has become a synonym for those born around 1970 – just as the writer Douglas Coupland made the term “Generation X” famous.
This would never have happened had not almost everybody in Germany have somebody in the family driving a VW. It is also the classless car with lawyers, consultants, teachers, workers, students and chancellors-to-be all driving a Golf without using it to distinguish themselves or say anything about their economic status.
Having not only the economic, but also the cultural importance of VW in mind, it becomes clear why the scandal is hitting Germany so hard and why there is the fear that the image of the country and its industries as a whole might suffer.
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When is Germany going to get over the self-loathing?
VW fooled a few folk? Frankly, I really don't care.
I don't care whether they get over it or not.
Well I think it matters because it forces Germany down a liberal/socialist road. When they stop hating themselves, they won't feel the need to open their doors to unlimited islamic immigration.
I thought they already were down that road (despite CDU/CSU's Frau Merkel as chancellor).
Hold those responsible accountable not an entire nation or hiding those responsible under a corporate name (VW) as it is merely bricks and mortar/paper. Workers in VW ought to be able to hold their own court, do their own discovery to protect their jobs and company future. Turn those found guilty over to civilian courts with no golden parachutes.
VW is being made an example of in retribution for something they have done or are unwilling to do. Nothing else. This has nothing to do with polution and everything to do with corruption. They met the emission requirements, just not in the way the cheating creators of these requirements intended. Consider it analog to tax minimisation vs tax cheating. The only difference is in how many senators you own.
Come to think of it, I'll bet Obama/Kerry/Soros want VW to shut down production in Russia. This would also serve as an example to all the other Mittelstand who try to buck the empire of evil.
US Department of Justice.
neopolitocos.
Name a department under the Executive Branch and find the same.
Simplistic nonsense.
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and this:
Juncker's answer on Catalonia grew in translation
https://euobserver.com/news/130412
Seems a whole paragraph was inserted in the Spanish translation of Junker's reply to a question about Catalonia's independence .
Vote up!
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Germany, no, others, will not allow the ghost of Hitler be forgotten which puts Germans in a situation of feeling eternally guilty/in debted and afraid to do anything that hints of inhumanity. They are trapped until they release these media driven chains. Current generations feel no responsibilty for sins of their fathers and want to move on, like many others trapped similiarly.
WILL THEY EVER RELEASE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR ORGY OF GUILT. ENOUGH, I FEEL NOT ONE IOTA OF GUILT FOR SLAVERY. HEREDITARY GUILT IS A TOOL OF THE ARISTOCRACY
for the caps, Unnecessary to make your point.
(Which is idiotic)
This epiphany reportedly came out 18 months ago. The timing of he release of this bombshell is obvious. It followed Merkel's suggestion that the west should sit down and talk to Assad and Putin. We can't have that now can we? So they slammed Germany. There will be no more talk of that from any western puppet leader now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/usa-volkswagen-researchers-idU...
Carder said he's surprised to see such a hullabaloo now, because his team's findings were made public nearly a year and a half ago.
Nice.
In any case, this whole problem only arose because VW wanted us to get better fuel economy than the govt thought we should have!
THE REAL MOTIVE BEHIND THE VOLKSWAGEN "SCANDAL"
The Anti-New York Times
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id898.html
You'd care if you lived in a high smog city and your kids had respiratory problems.
Smog has a huge impact on health. When I lived in LA I had chronic, miserable, never-ending bronchitis. Moved back to No. Cal and it went away for good.
I have lived in China, so I know what smog is. I understand what you are saying but the smog in LA is not just VW's fault and I think we have to introduce a bit of perspective here. Living is a dangerous thing to do: we want cheap cars, we want cheap energy - how much radiation is in the waters off LA from Fukushima? I don't know because they won't tell me but I do know that Japanese fish is now 'deemed safe' in the US, so they don't even test it anymore. Pollution is politics: I guess it depends which side of the fence you chose.
The smog and radiation is the fault of the misanthropic cabal which has hidden cheap, clean energy from humanity for more than 100 years. Since the price of energy is embedded in everything from food to housing, this has caused damages in excess of $600 Trillion in addition to unnecessarily polluting our biosphere. Put a price on that!
And as for socially significant organization like VW, GM etc. refusing to use this clean energy technology, is itself a crime.
For more details, see SIRIUS The Movie at:
http://www.SiriusDisclosure.com/
Source: https://youtu.be/0gVLv5eg4Xg?t=5093
Nice.
"Pollution is politics"
Jesus H fucking Christ did anyone here live in the rust belt 50 years ago?
The air is better and the water is cleaner.
There is no manufacturing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrous_metallurgy
Somehow there was human survival.
Hitler is not happy
Trust creates a moral hazard in and out of government.
Vo ist die Trannie???
And what do "it" and the cocksucker in chief say about the Lame Stream Media???
Might it be ironic that some non-Germans are experiencing schadenfreude, and some without even having any awareness of the word?
Maybe their image would improve if they started another war. Third time's the charm.
So Germany started WWI?
Better check some history books.
Germany also started the blood diamond trade
http://www.globalresearch.ca/blood-diamonds-and-israels-diamond-export-i...
http://mantalk.mobi/The-History-of-Jewish-Control-of-the-South-African-D...
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/02/hsbc-israel-and-blood-diamo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGz-a9lwiPE
And I'll bet any illegal organ harvesting rings are centered in Munich.
They wouldn't have started much of anything similar to war if not for the financing from Wall Street and The City.
LOL! Looks like I struck some real kraut nerve there. Excellent.
You gloat over that?! Pathetic!
As a Kraut/polak/Frog, depending on the millennial reference, I find your remark very danish.
After 800,000 young angry refugee men enter their country, the VW fiasco will be the least of their problems.
Martin Armstrong, who has been predicting climate cooling, suggests that the migrants would have been wise to move south. These people don't know how harsh winters can be.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/
South? From Egypt an Libya? Perhaps to Somalia or Liberia?
The VW scandal and mass transients will destroy Germany. The only hope for Germany is to re-align with Russia. The US will abuse Germany until the nation has no political and economic utility.
Was it VW stock a couple of years ago where they pulled a sick short squeeze and ran the stock price up to near 1000 euros or something crazy?
Be that as it may, this VW "scandal" may be the least of their worries. If Deutsche Bank is in trouble, then it's Katie, bar the door.
Deutsche Bank is in trouble.
Let me say, though that ALL major banks are in trouble. The Corundum is to choose the next fall guy.
The Really big guys acquire assets, but don't sell.
Banks that have to buy and sell, and make it somewhat public.
Leftovers of the Mortgage problems and other failures are claimed as assets and are not sold.
As assets , they are leveraged for 0 s and 1 s and put into other assets.
This is the basis of liquidity today, Digital 'money' looking for assets that will make a return.
The smarties in the crowd will make money trading currency imbalances.
The rest of us will be looking for long term value.
Buffet and his minions can't even do that any more, despite .gov assistance.
And someone, quite thoughtfully, clued Hillary into nixing Keystone.
Fight Club and Toyota
http://poptwistmag.com/2010/04/09/fight-club-and-toyota/
Corruption is inherent to decaying culture. The current political/cultural elite are committing crimes against humanity on a scale never before perpetuated upon our species.
The current 'global' framework for 'managing' mankind/humanity poses by orders of magnitude the most clear and present existential threat conceivable. These sociopaths are rolling out new 'measures' daily to prop up the illusion of control.
Western society is off the rails.
Central planning becomes inbreeding and at some point..It ALWAYS ends up here again.
Disaster.
Hold your bile down for the next twenty years and call these the good old days.ald
Big deal. 11 million recalls.
If I had a VM diesel, would I respond to a recall that would lower my fuel economy and power?
Only if the FBI escorted me to the dealer.
Amusingly, the "software update" causes "up to" 40 times more pollutants. Think there may be a little hyperbole here?
In the meantime, the EPA and CARB (California's air resources board), who have been testing for fifty years, didn't notice. WHAT?
Try re-registering or selling your car without a retrofit.
I have this funny feeling that Jack Lew and the rest of Germany's "allies" in DC have something to do with this, perhaps sending a message that Germany *will* remain a good little vassal or else.
Of course, this opinion may simply stem from my own combination of cynicism and racism.
Yep... http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-not-to-deploy-nuclear-weapons-in-germany...
It would be great to see USSA gov realize the entire world is fed up with their bullying and change their ways.
I very much doubt that will happen because they're in so deep.
The VW thing 'bugs' me... We know that Merkel and others including corporations were being listened to by you know who. The punishment is too excessive for such a small problem regarding less than 1% of emissions. Lesson learned. Never make a deal with the devil or even let him sit at the table and use secure communications or you will be blackmailed like Germany.
Germans are pissed about the Global Warming Fraud and the quadrupling of energy prices (as is the rest of the EU), and they are unwilling to take it up the ass anymore. Long Putin, short renewable energy.
This is all about the GOLD make no mistake this admin will crush them before it repatriates any more gold
Deflation in VW prices.... The fed and ecb will have to do MOAR to hit the 2% annual theft...i mean inflation target
I just recently took (another brand) my diesel to a dealer for service and now have lost 3 mpg? Yes it is a new computer controlled vehicle. VW might not be alone here.
I have an old Ford F350 diesel that smokes like an alchoholic crack whore and gets 10MPG...I LOVE it...
Chip that sucker and roll coal!!!
1999 F-350 Crew Cab duelie gets 15 mpg whether I've got max load on or not. Chipless.
And if I did not drive like Yen Cross, I would do better.
( i think the proper ansi conversion is 454 cu in)
( Ha! get that you Formula-1 mo fo s hauling 13500)
"It did so from its foundation during and by the Nazi regime to the recent restoration of Germany as an economic superpower. The car maker showed that Germany cannot (and of course it should not) deny its ugly past. By facing up its history honestly, the company was able to position itself as the main pillar of the European motor industry and a force to be reckoned with internationally."
The ever-present 'Nazi', of course... Why, what would a story about something German be without it...?
And of course no good German worth his/her salt should ever deny their ugly past, just like no Whitebread American should ever deny their 'White privilege', no...?
The upbringing is obvious in the little boy from Saxo who wrote this drivel...
Of course, the ethics and reasoning of such organizations like the EPA and it's Eurotrash counterparts should NEVER be questioned, correct...? The damage done to individuals, private property and communities by the entrenched bureaucratic Bull-shit that exists within these treasonous hives of graft and deceit? Gaia forbid...
Chain these Mother-Fucker (on Sunday, no less) Hypocrites to post and let the turkey buzzards circle...
I feel my white privilege of paying taxes for the other half of the population every day Saxo....../.
We could drink many Biers together, but you must not think that we all think alike or have the same goals here in the US.
Computers in our cars, open wifi in our homes, on our persons, it's no wonder we no longer have privacy or are in total control of our destiny's. Being connected is really being connected. Next your emotional state (angry, violent, in heat, on your period, a fever, shaky nerves, cool, asleep, on drugs, normal, etc) will easily be detected and emitted by wearing devices or sensors in your clothes, seat, shoes, location.
A relief to know it won't come from the sensors in your Volkwagen.
Fuck the governments. There's nothing wrong with cheating them or getting around the petty potentates in any way you can.
It is the moral duty of every concerned human being to defeat the slaveholder's means of control.
The governments were not the ones being cheated. A lot of people paid a large premium for these vehicles because they wanted the great mileage and low emissions. I realize most ZH'rs would deliberately shun such a vehicle out of principle, but assuming they are not just poser hypocrites (a large assumption, I know), the same ZH'rs should also respect the right of the consumers to buy what they want for the reasons they want, and to get what is advertised in exchange for their money.
None of that shit matters.
You mean there is a mention-worthy number of people who choose car models based on their low overall emissions, and not because of their coolness factor based on supposedly low emissions? (cough Prius, Tesla & co)
Muaaaahahahaha!!!
Partially agree. Like most people, my now deceased boss (one hell of a man!, may he rest in peace), bought a Golf GTI diesel for the fuel economy. The man had a massive classic car collection but drove that Golf GTI daily. If he would have worried about almost imperceptible differences in NOx, he would have bought a hybrid or a Tesla. Instead he happily drove that GTI. Most who care about Globull warming or pollution (and in major cities it makes sense) would buy a hybrid not a GTI.
In my case, I drive an 02 Ford F150. I live in the American SW so pollution is not a concern in this area. Not enough cars per square mile to be a factor.
Location, location ,location . is the same as it it ever was for thick air.
Mexico city.
Los Angel es Basin.
Most of the rest have enough air movement to move the smog out.
Allergens, not so much.
This will be forgotten about within a few months like a poltician's promise.
Let the guilt-ridden liberals have their Prius. I pick my cars for the fun of driving. Now I'm more convinced I made the right choice to buy an Audi.
I always wondered (according to the specs) why the Euro version of the VW TDI's get almost 20 MPG more than US spec'd ones.
Because the European Gallon is 20% bigger than the US one.
When I was a kid, people used to joke that Germany had created three bombs: the V1, the V2 and the VW. Although I like the look of some of the audis I've never had any desire to own a german car.
No one ever made a joke like that you fucken piece of shit asshole that makes things up as a piece if shit shill for who knows what.
(although I hada VW Squareback blow on me when I ran it out of oil)
Perhaps, Merkel thought a massive wave of new immigrants would take VW off the front page. Its not like VW hasn't been working behind the scenes with the EPA for months in working out a deal.
As in World War 1, Germany is targeted because its economy, relatively, is too successful - and neither the US nor UK Europhiles like it.
A lot of people say that Volkswagen builds the most efficient cars in the world. Also, the entire "fuel efficiency ratings system" is a 100% pure consumer deception to begin with.
This whole "Volkswagen scandal" narrative is pure nonsense.
Buy the dip.
Owned a 2004 passat. The thing was a misconstruction. VW, never again.
VW did produce some awful clunkers. But also some really geat cars too.
Maybe they just "experiment" too much.
As the previous owner of a 2000 jetta tdi I can assure you I will
Never own another vw lll
VW is a piker. Now GM on the other hand has actually killed and injuried some folk. They know how to really cheat with tangible results.......
GM - 'We killed some folks'
Ok - so let me spell out in clear terms how to solve the VW problem.
1..... Re-test all the cars with a change in the computer controll system in place ... detune the vehicles so that under no circumstance can the engine ever rev over 4,000 RPM. (then give the upgrade free on the internet)
2..... Install a water fuel cell as standard ... this will boost power and reduce emisions. (Currently the American government is suppressing the technology.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA
3......Install a particle collector in the exhauste as prescribed by Dyson ... to remove and particulates ... feed these back into the inlet for reburning. Or use this device - GEET generator 0:54 min into vid- :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtuwIMysSMo
4......Put 20% vegetable oil in every full tank of Diesel ----- you will have more than enough BHB at 4,000 RPM to do over 120 mph with a 1.9 turbo diesel enging from VW.
5..... Hire a the mad Physicist from the UK called John Blacker and he will show you how they all work.
Fahrfuhknoovin!
remember that "drivers wanted" ad campaign? almost every VW I ever saw was driven exactly at the speed limit in the left fucking lane by some skinny college boy with his polo shirt collar flipped up wearing Ray Bans. what a bunch of cunts that don't know how to drive!
I remember cracking up the first time I saw the Peter Stormare comercials. "Let me hear you say vhat"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1MNEqCr748
Just wondering if this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-not-to-deploy-nuclear-weapons-in-germany...
May have something to do with the VW fiasco....(Quid Pro Quo No).
Far-from-poopin...
I wiped my ass with a VW once...
This thing is a giant chain yank. Shmerkel is prolly in on it too.
Notice VW is not saying much about this. One might expect the VW PR team would be more on top of this?
If we are going to be kicking around automotive ECUs. I have a few good questions that I would love getting straight answers to.
Fuck all the car giants and the regulators they rode in on.
"Qatar loses billions in VW scandal"
This trade war is ON.
Innnnnnnn the blue corner, America, Saudi Arabia and QATAR.
Innnnnnnn the red corner, Russia and China.
I call this round for the red team.
Winner gets all the gas.
Germany is a country which has enthusiastically embraced greenery and global warming.
Both of these activist stances are built on lies. This shows you how starting to lie produces a slippery slope...
Chemtrails, radiation, fracking, gmo, nuke plants etc. etc. etc. but the epa's only concerned about the fucking emissions of an internal combustion engine that wasn't plugged up enough design wise to make you buy more gas.
Fuck that shit! Run straight pipes out the fucking hood. Maybe all that polution will coat some of the aluminum oxide and cause it to fall in the water supply before you breath it and get alzheimer's.
Mmmm ..... carbon monoxide
You know when your being poisoned with good ol' carbon monoxide.
Test any car or truck at WOT full load for 20 min. Then take a look at all the stuff spewed out.
They would never apply such a rigorous test to a Chevy Cruze Diesel...cause that would be UNPATRIOTIC.
VW put its customers desires ahead of those of the politicians and control freaks, a heroic act really. It would be great if more companies defied the regulators and deceived their tests. Best article on this whole story here:
http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/09/23/crucified-by-uncle/
Five valves per cylinder and a turbo? That dont work well for the cars owner. Thats a hose job.
Agreed, the entire world is falling for the narrative that VW is bad because it flouted the EPA regs. I take the opposing view; the EPA regs are impossible to achieve and VW should be lauded for delivering cars with superior overall economy to it's customers.
close the EPA along with all the other obsolete alphabet .gov agencies that only remain in existence to be used as weapons against freedom.
Amen
Nice.
Can't agree with you more.
Perfect, Lex.
(Let"s see how much the mods let me get away with)
Germany has a globalist chancellor. A car company can't ruin a ruined image.
This is a flouting of authority, and Germans have seldom been big on that.
The fix: Less NOx = more CO2, CO and other gases because of lower MPG. More money going to oil producing nations. More money flowing out of the U.S. Less money in people's pockets.
Don't bother, >95% of the folks commenting here didn't even get that it's mostly (only?) about NOx emissions...
6 million jews and 11million dodgy cars.
Germany had better accept a few million more immigrants as pentence for these sins.
German "superiority" is a history of failures on a massive scale. WW-I, WW-II, the Hindenberg, Volkswagen, to name only a few.
Perhaps if they had not insisted in murdering or driving off their best scientists and smartest citizens they might have done better.
You're about fifty years out of date. If you are trying to make a point, at least give contemporary examples.
For example, there was a time when Japan made shitty cars. Not so today.
1. Germany is still formally at war with US - no peace treaty
2. Germany is still occupied by the US without any control over US bases
3. Die Kanzlerakte - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXYn3uU2nxw
4. Where is the German gold and why Germans are not allowed to even check it?
5. Have a look around Brandenburger Tor
6. What have they done in Ukraine
7. Check out the list of corporate failures of their major engineering companies
8. Check out OECD data on who is the laziest nation in Europe working least hours
and so on
Not at all my dear. I'm just older than you with a longer memory. History goes back farther than last week or even last year but, even so, there are plenty of recent examples. Their cars aren't all that good, none of them, and rapidly lose market value after a very few years because they start to fail and are almost impossible to repair.
So this is where rewarding lyin' and cheatin' ends up. Hmmm.
Fuck the EPA, VW should have lied, every other globalist/zio company does....Germany should grow some balls, kick us out of their country...70 years of self loathing, reperations and foreign occupation is more than plenty for the scam of "6million" run on the globe. Hitler killed more catholics and christians than he did jews....but the PR machine just won't stop....
VW, should close all it's plants and require US customers to pay in gold or silver for the products, USSA would collapse within days...
Oh and ethnic suicide is a great idea, bring in more muslims....who cares whether or not they're terrorists, they're by and large savages, let them be savages in their own countries!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
Come on with the bullshit, Zerohedge. What fucking moral demise? Let's be clear about something, VW lied about some shit pertianing to emissions on EPA standards. So let's revisit - VW gets around nanny state bullshit regulations forced down their throat by an unConstitutional alphabet soup agency filled with a bunch of useless bureaucrats, and somehow VW did something morally egregious?
Not ONE car where this "atrocity" occurred had any defects, none were unsafe, none had operaitonal deficiencies - so where is the crime? If you're not gonna buy a VW car over this then you are a true fucking retard. The outrage should be over the EPA, the EPA's very existence, and their I guess we could say obvious desire to scare more investment and jobs out of the country, as if the rest of the fucking government wasn't already doing a bang up job on that.
More and more articles meant for Huffington Post are winding up on ZH, can't wait for you guys to roll out another class warfare piece to appease your newly found FSA readership. Open ass, remove head ZH.
See what happens when you don't contribute to the Clinton foundation?
Impossible rules beget cheating. Asinine, unrealistic environmental regulations must be circumvented by companies that wish to stay in business. I'm sure there is, right now, a veritable tidal wave of rule-skirting occurring on multiple fronts throughout the entire corporate world. Communism was well-known for this sort of thing. Everybody cheated. Everybody fudged their numbers because the system was unworkable, but they had to at least create the appearance that the stupid rules were being followed.
A wise leader is someone who knows not to make rules that cannot be followed. Law and order is good; discipline is good; high standards are good, yes--but at the right times, in the right places, for the right reasons, and to the right degrees. It requires great prudence and experience to know what the right course is, and our present leaders have none.
Well said. Integrity matters.
Like your posts , Please, I do not confuse your views with the rest of the crap passing by.
Integrity is a concept to be giggled at.
This was payback for Germany fracturing its relationship with the neocons over Syria. Don't forget General Motors were responsible for 174 deaths, but only got fined under 1 billion dollars compared to the reported amount for VW of up top 18 billion.
Should be careful who you get in bed with.
And if you do get in, don't be surprised to be screwed.
With friends like US, who needs enemies.
Throughout history Germans have always been very good at tactics and execution.
But their strategy and choice of allies has been devastating to say the least.
Berlin fell 3 times into the hands of Russians, just because of that poor choice of strategic partners.
And with their current choice - it is either 4th fall or nuclear ashes.
Hmm, VW = VVV = 666
It's official VW, is satanic illuminati and the demise of the company is going to usher in the New World Order.
VW is as German as I am Swiss.
Volkswagen was Ferdinand Porsche, when the war ended, VW passed into the North American hands.
Porsche has created new business.
There is no such thing as "German spirit" in relation to VW.
This guy should stick your head up your ass.
hehe.
dont like to Godwin it, but everybody knows VW was Hitler's baby. and he's not very happy when he finds out about the emissions thing
http://captiongenerator.com/61383/Hitlers-Auto-Makers-VW-Busted-for-Emissions
Honesty in Germany is the product of "the state is so strong, I will probably get found out if I e.g. don’t pay taxes, don't insure my car" and/or "my neighbours are so nosy and selfish that they will betray any wrong doing" rather than "I am inherently honest and trustworthy".
This fits into the history piece by Snyder - national stereotypes break down once people are outside the state frameworks they are used to behaving in. You may even find that people from anarchic states have a better inner moral code of honour than those who have been brought up in nanny states where law breaking is always punished, so you never really find out how people would behave if you just started trusting them.
Good Bye Deutsche Bank.
How many loans does DB have oustatnding to VW? Just curious, haven't checked their filings.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13298365/1/here-s-why-deutsche-bank-just-...
How really close they are I cannot tell you.
DB is realy handicapped.
More than most.
Well. Isn't this a fine kettle of fish!
The US is now prosecuting a German company, founded by Hitler, (Angela's likely daddy) while simultaneously requiring that she, Angela, impose sanctions on her natural ally AND unapologetically allowing her homeland to be overrun by refugees fleeing the ongoing turmoil in their own countries which has ultimately been caused by... wait for it... the US!
All I can say is; Gimme another beer.
I like the beer part, the rest is junk.
Except for the DOJ part.
Ok 1/3 of your post is junk.