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US On The Ropes: China To Join Russian Military In Syria While Iraq Strikes Intel Deal With Moscow, Tehran
Last Thursday, we asked if China was set to join Russia and Iran in support of the Assad regime in Syria.
Our interest was piqued when the pro-Assad Al-Masdar (citing an unnamed SAA “senior officer”), said Chinese “personnel and aerial assets” are set to arrive within weeks. To the uninitiated, this may seem to have come out of left field, so to speak. However, anyone who has followed the conflict and who knows a bit about the global balance of power is aware that Beijing has for some time expressed its support for Damascus, most notably by voting with Russia to veto a Security Council resolution that would have seen the conflict in Syria referred to the Hague. Here’s what China had to say at the May 22, 2014 meeting:
For some time now, the Security Council has maintained unity and coordination on the question of Syria, thanks to efforts by Council members, including China, to accommodate the major concerns of all parties. At a time when seriously diverging views exist among the parties concerning the draft resolution, we believe that the Council should continue holding consultations, rather than forcing a vote on the draft resolution, in order to avoid undermining Council unity or obstructing coordination and cooperation on questions such as Syria and other major serious issues. Regrettably, China’s approach has not been taken on board; China therefore voted against the draft resolution.
In other words, China could see the writing on the wall and it, like Russia, was not pleased with where things seemed to be headed. A little more than a year later and Moscow has effectively called time on the strategy of using Sunni extremist groups to destabilize Assad and given what we know about Beijing’s efforts to project China’s growing military might, it wouldn’t exactly be surprising to see the PLA turn up at Latakia as well.
Sure enough, Russian media now says that according to Russian Senator Igor Morozov, Beijing has decided to join the fight. Here’s Pravda (translated):
According to the Russian Senator Igor Morozov, Beijing has taken decision to take part in combating IS and sent its vessels to the Syrian coast.
Igor Morozov, member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs claimed about the beginning of the military operation by China against the IS terrorists. "It is known, that China has joined our military operation in Syria, the Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, aircraft carrier follows it," Morozov said.
According to him, Iran may soon join the operation carried out by Russia against the IS terrorists, via Hezbollah. Thus, the Russian coalition in the region gains ground, and most reasonable step of the US would be to join it. Although the stance of Moscow and Washington on the ways of settlement of the Syrian conflict differs, nonetheless, low efficiency of the US coalition acts against terrorists is obvious. Islamists have just strengthened their positions.
As Leonid Krutakov told Pravda.Ru in an interview, the most serious conflict is currently taking place namely between China and the US. Moscow may support any party, the expert believes, and that is what will change the world order for many years.
Clearly, one has to consider the source here, but as noted above, if Beijing is indeed set to enter the fray, it would be entirely consistent with China's position on Syria and also with the PLA's desire to take a more assertive role in international affairs.
Meanwhile, it now looks as though the very same Russian-Iran "nexus" that's playing spoiler in Syria is also set to take over the fight against ISIS in Iraq, as Baghdad has now struck a deal to officially share intelligence with Moscow and Tehran. Here's CNN:
Iraq says it has reached a deal to share intelligence with Russia, Iran and Syria in the fight against ISIS militants.
The announcement on Saturday from the Iraqi military cited "the increasing concern from Russia about thousands of Russian terrorists committing criminal acts within ISIS."
The news comes amid U.S. concerns about Russia's recent military buildup in Syria and would appear to confirm American suspicions of some kind of cooperation between Baghdad and Moscow.
We'd be remiss if we failed to note the significance here. The entire narrative is falling apart for the US, as Russia and Iran are now moving to transform the half-hearted Western effort to contain ISIS into a very serious effort to eradicate the group. Recall that just a little over a week ago, Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani essentially accused the US of intentionally keeping Islamic State around so that the group can continue to advance Washington's geopolitical agenda by serving as a destabilizing element in Syria. According to the Pentagon, Soleimani's visit to Russia (which, you're reminded, violated a UN travel ban and infuriated opponents of the Iran nuclear deal) was "very important" in terms of accelerating the timetable on Russia's inevitable involvement in Syria. It is of course Soleimani who commands the Shiite militias battling ISIS in Iraq. Now, it appears that in addition to the cooperation in Syria, he has managed to secure a Russian-Iran partnership for Tehran's Iraqi operations as well. Here's GOP mouthpiece Fox News:
Russian, Syrian and Iranian military commanders have set up a coordination cell in Baghdad in recent days to try to begin working with Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting the Islamic State, Fox News has learned.
Western intelligence sources say the coordination cell includes low-level Russian generals. U.S. officials say it is not clear whether the Iraqi government is involved at the moment.
Describing the arrival of Russian military personnel in Baghdad, one senior U.S. official said, "They are popping up everywhere."
While the U.S. also is fighting the Islamic State, the Obama administration has voiced concern that Russia's involvement, at least in Syria, could have a destabilizing effect.
Moscow, though, has fostered ties with the governments in both Syria and Iraq. In May, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi flew to Moscow for an official visit to discuss potential Russian arms transfers and shared intelligence capability, as well as the enhancement of security and military capabilities, according to a statement by the Iraqi prime minister's office at the time.
Iranian Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani also was spotted in Baghdad on Sept 22. He met with Shia militias backed by Iran; intelligence officials believe he met with Russians as well.
And here is ISW:
What appears to have happened here is this: Vladimir Putin has exploited both the fight against ISIS and Iran's need to preserve the regional balance of power on the way to enhancing Russia's influence over Mid-East affairs which in turn helps to ensure that Gazprom's interests are protected going forward.
Thanks to the awkward position the US has gotten itself in by covertly allying itself with various Sunni extremist groups, Washington is for all intents and purposes powerless to stop Putin lest the public should sudddenly get wise to the fact that combatting Russia's resurrgence and preventing Iran from expanding its interests are more imporant than fighting terror.
In short, Washington gambled on a dangerous game of geopolitical chess, lost, and now faces two rather terrifyingly disastrous outcomes: 1) China establishing a presence in the Mid-East in concert with Russia and Iran, and 2) seeing Iraq effectively ceded to the Quds Force and ultimately, to the Russian army.
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More wishcasting and narrative building. It's pathetic.
Where is the full expeditionary force we were promised Russia was landing in the capital of Syria (in just days) on Sept 2 and 3rd? Nope.
Has anything been keeping Putin from firing a shot or dropping a few bombs for the last 3 yrs? Nope.
Has Putin delivered the S-300 contracted for by Syria and Iran back in 2007. Nope.
Did Putin agree to the sanctions against Iran? Yep.
Did Putin for Syria to give up it's chemical weapons and then not provide any military protection? Yep.
Has Russia fire a single shot? Nope.
This is a silly bit of propaganda.
I believe he is an ACTUAL paid troll given how he perseverates on this matter.
What is wrong with you? Russia has already expanded and secured airbase in Syria. Russia has brought in attack helicopters, advanced fighters/bombers. Ground to air defenses. field artillary and hundreds if not thousands of soldiers. On the way, more tanks, 300 marines. China has docked it's aircraft carrier and will be sending 1000 Marines and the aircraft will be flying in soon. Meanwhile, Russian advisors are on the ground in Iraq establishing joint operating base with Iran.
Russia has always had some jets and helicopters in Syria. They have a port and are intent in keeping it. And those few jets and helicopters all located in the same town as the port in western Syria. And they stay there. All current evidence is that they will continue to stay there while Syria continues to burn.
France just flew it's jets into Syria, just yesterday, and bombed people in eastern Syria. Close to Iran and they were hitting segments deemed associated with Iran. But Russia cannot find the resolve to fly a single mission in support of Assad.
Russia has not fired a shot while Syria has burned.
Go pick up a rifle for Uncle Sham, the banksters and heroin runners.
Blankone, I'm not sure you know what an expeditionary force is.
Essentially, it is a self contained unit capable of sustaining it's own mission activities. It could be a group of dog sleds on an expedition to the North Pole. It's size will depend on the task planned.
So, where is a link to this "full expeditionary force" you keep talking about? Who "promised" you it would be there Sept 3rd?
Personally, I don't think there will be a lot of Russian troops in Syria. There are plenty of Shi'a to do the dirty work, plus they speak the language and can move around freely without being noticed. Russia has clearly taken sides in the conflict, and it looks like China is joining forces with them. Pull out a map, and try to figure out what it means in the ME if both China and Russia get behind an alliance of Iran, Syria, and Iraq, and provide advanced military weapons systems. No need for a lot of foreign combat troops - just advisers, training, and a lot of long distance firepower. They are not there to win the hearts and minds of the people.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
The Iran deal final deadline is setting the tempo.
Today, I believe, and Putin speaks at the UN tomorrow.
This is choreographed like a ballet.
Black Swan Lake.
hE IS LIVING IN a denial state
kw2012, here is another link, whose reliability I do not know:
http://debka.com/article/24909/A-Chinese-aircraft-carrier-docks-at-Tartu...
A Chinese aircraft carrier docks at Tartus to support Russian-Iranian military buildupDEBKAfile September 26, 2015
anyone has a another news source regarding that Chinese ship,Liaoning-CV-16, ex Soviet, ex Ukraine, carrier?
Strange no photos of that ship passing thru Suez canal.
Based on all open source information, I do not think that the Chinese would send a training ship to the Mediterranean to Tartus in Syria.
All the reports either reference DEBKAfile or do a cut and past of their article.
For the aircraft carrier to have docked would be a big news item. But only this source. It would be the simplist thing to photo it docked with only a cell phone and post to internet but there is Nothing.
Others claim China is GOING TO put an aircraft carrier close to Syria in the near future.
I thing those who have read this account have to admit that if there is no Chinese carrier in Tartus then this entire business of Russia and China going into Syria has just been another psyopp. Nothing but more lies.
Aircraft carrier do not dock in hostile territories and they do not venture into them with a full compliment of other ships to protect them.
There is no Chinese aircraft carrier there.
then whose S300 hit aircraft in Syria some weeks ago?
some accounts actually two have been destroyed by S300 while bomb Syrians
No ones. The jet was hit by other means and not with the S-300.
If Syria had the S-300 they would have made it well known to back off the west. Even Putin no longer threatens to deliver the S-300 to Syria. Putin made a big deal of threatening to deliver them to Iran more recently but then he went quiet and has backed down.
Syria has received S-300s, what are you on about.
Not to mention a great deal of logistical support.
Here is what you continue to miss in your multiple, frequent posts in which you say this same thing -
Russia is not all powerful.
Russia must and should look out for its own interests first
Russia has tried to avoid war and force the US to act within the bounds of the UN, etc.
I don't at this point think you're honest. You talk like a State Department desk jockey for sure, but in any event Syria has received S-300s.
Putin got Syria to give up chem weapons which ARE GENERALLY USELESS ANYWAY for geopolitical reasons - preventing the pretext Obama was going to use, and which the Turks, it seems provided - it was a master stroke, and only someone determined to find a creative way to villify Russia/Putin would read it otherwise.
You expect him to send 10 divisions to Syria even as the fuckery in Ukraine and perhaps Chechnya would be expected to meet up.
Not that you care, but your litmus tests are the simplistic ravings of someone who doesn't know much about diplomacy, and/or hasn't considered that moves such as you espouse would have been counterproductive.
In chess [and I'm tired of the metaphor, too, but even so...] you sacrifice pawns. you misdirect.
What you don't do is do what the other side wants and expects.
ditto for the "propaganda wars".
I saw in the NYT so many accusations about posters being "Russian trolls" {hey perhaps some were} in the past years that I realized that people like you and your colleagues really are worried....
but you don't know quite how to handle it, right?
When the other side can simply TELL THE TRUTH - here, for example, the US supports Salafist terrorists who murder Christians in order to destroy Syria for the benefit of Israel's Oded Yinon plan and Israeli gas going to Europe instead of Iranian.... crying 'anti-semite' is rapidly losing force... from PNAC to "7 countries in 5 years" - the issue is US aggression, deception, and support for terrorism.
Putin has the moral high ground but has not had the tactical high ground/financial power/media power, that the Anglo-Zionist empire has.
However, what he has is the truth, the support of the Syrian government, and most of its people, and here's what's going to happen...
millions of muslims will learn that ISIS was a proxy for the US and Israel {even more so than the House of Saud and Turkey, ultimately}
One possibility is the emergence of a charismatic figure who will use this - this truth - to unite Muslims across the Sunni-shia divide which always existed, but wasn't bloody for centuries and fomented by British and American and Israeli subterfugre {does anyone not know by now the role of SAS in blowing up mosques to get the shia-sunni war and fracturing of Iraq going?
Do you believe in Karma?
Syria simply has not received the S-300 system. It would be a huge game changer if they did receive them in good numbers. But Putin refuses to honor the contract.
If Syria had them they would make it well known and we would also have satelite systems of the trucks. Even Putin does not claim to have supplied them and does not even threaten to supply them to Syria (as he threatens to supply them to Iran).
The chemical weapons scared the west and Israel. That is why they got Putin to force Assad to give them up. Just like Russia helped disarm Iraq from it's chemical weapons prior to the US attacking Iraq.
Putin has not fired a shot. Not a single one.
Sun Tzu's basic principle is not to need to if it can at all be avoided.
Israel fired artillery shells at two Syrian army outposts yesterday after a shell landed in the Golan. Israel admitted later that they not only don't know (doubtful considering the tracking hardware they developed with US technology and US taxpayer money) but they DON'T EVEN CARE which side fired the shell, the jihadists (that Israel supports) or the Syrian Army, but they attacked the Syrian army positions anyway as a 'matter of policy'. So now the Israeli hypocracy is obvious; when the Israeli supported terrorists need the Syrian army bombarded, all they have to do is just lob a shell into the Golan !!! Putin immediately criticized the Israeli response and Russian-Israeli relations just nose dived. even further. Putin has made it clear that Israeli behavior is unnacceptable and that there will be repercussions in the future once the US/Israeli/Zionist supported ISIS is finished. Israel believes it can kill without moral considerations; it has become a completely amoral country. The western drone policy is the result of this Zionist mindset which can be traced from the Talmud with it's codifications to allow and even to require the exploitation of non-jews. This religious bigotry is felt to be scientifically supported by Darwin's observation that species compete for resources with the winnner living and the loser dying. Although Darwin is correct, human societies are based on the PRIMACY OF SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIPS AND ONLY SECONDARILY ON COMPETITIVE RELATIONSHIPS because societies must COOPERATE TO FUNCTION AND THRIVE.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-said-to-be-concerned-about-israeli-airstrikes-in-syria/
But it is all downhill from here on out for Nuttyahoo, Israel, and their Zionist supporters in the West. The world is slowly waking up to the fact that Zionism strongly resembles that other 'ism' that starts with a capital N, which is not surprising as that German group purposefully modeled it's moral and legal system on the Zionists and their Talmud. The nutty group's tribal ethos includes subterfuge and lying to outsiders. Similar to a pathogen, the nutty group gains control of the financial system of an unsuspecting independent state first, and then after doing so gains control of it's legal, educational, industrial and political systems as well. It's primal drive is to control the rest of the world (ROW) thus satisfying in the only way possible the neurotic anxiety engendered by it's suffering from a both a persecutory complex and a superiorty/inferiority complex. The persecutory complex derives from delusional projections onto others of IT'S OWN primitive desire to consume and/or destroy others while the superiorty complex derives as a defense against feelings of inferiority, itself a result of the fear of death that in healthy adults is countered using mature defense mechanisms such as altruism.
The Zionists facilated and encouraged the nutty wahabbi clerics of Saudi Arabia free reign to fund Sunni schools all over the world in order to sow dissension between sunni and shia. But slowly the Zionists are uniting Muslims, the NonZionist Christians (who greatly outnumber Zionist Christians), the Buddhists, atheists, and jews (who don't believe in the choseness of a tribe) into a single opposing block several times stronger in size. I'm looking forward to the downfall of the Saudi royal family next and it's replacement by a Sunni Shia coalition. The hosts have united to defeat the parasite. This is like 1942-1943 when the Allied block coalesced and became more powerful than the Axis block. [I don't include certain cultures such as the Korean, Hindus or Japanese into naturally opposing Zionism because in these faiths or cultures, one is born into a hierachical system and thus the concept of 'choseness' is not an alien one although they would dispute who is the 'more chosen' one. Similar to Judaism, it will take time for these cultures to develop mature defense mechanims and drop the persecutory superioity complexes they have developd as their mythos]
Every US president since Wison (with the excepton of JFK) have been Zionist stooges who hoped to obtain power in a new World order system run by fiat creating Zionist Banks as described by professor Carroll Quigley . The Zionists can't help themselves; they demand total world control because they fear that if they don't, they will be defeated and constrained to an island as Napoleon was. But that is what will happen because the parasite has to be defeated completely. Judaism must evolve and drop the 'choseness' and it's attendant superiority persecutory complex. I don't know if it can however, but to coexist with the ROW, it must evolve; Judaism must change to survive. Whether the pathogen will evolve into a harmless strain or just mutate into a less lethal form is impossible to predict.
Putin knows that the Zionists want every last human on earth is enslaved (via a Jewish owned Central bank). But it's not just private central banks that are bad; private central banks owned by jewish diaspora population (with a superiorty/persecutory mythos) are the most dangeous of all because they will be run for BOTH THE DIMMUNITION AND DILUTION of the resident populations using the strategy of ENCOURAGING ABORTION WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ENCOURAGING IMMIGRATION !!!. The jewish persecutory complex goes hand in hand with the jewish superiority complex and become a self reinforcing mythos: 'they persecute us because we are superior'; because we are persecuted, we must PROTECT OURSELF BY PROMOTING AND PROTECTING ONLY MEMBERS OF OUR TRIBE . This self-reinforcing tribal myth along with the control of the entire financial systems heart (the central banks) has led the world to war for over 200 years now, beginning with the war by the London bankers and the Rothschilds against France, then continuing on to more wars in the 19th century, then to WWI, WWII and the Cold war.
This is not a Cold war; this really is WWIII because now Russia and the US are no longer using proxies (vietnam) but the Russsian army (white pawns) are right on the border with Israel (the black King) and the black pawns are on the on the border with the white king in eastern Ukraine. The Fed reserve is begging for a war to be started by Obama; only a massive war with it's destruction can fill the banks balance sheet's with new captured assets in Russia and Iran. Only a mass war can complete the plan for 'greater Israel'.
Putin is doing everything in his power to avoid WWIII, while Obama and his Zionist budddies are bluffing at going to an all out war. Obama is ridiculous when he says that the 'US fears no one because the US spends more than the next 10 countries combined on Defense'. Translate this to real politik 'Every country must let the US control it or face destruction'. Putin is saying to the Zionists; go ahead, pull the trigger, you will lose conventionally and you will not go nuclear because although you are evil, you are not suicidal. Think back to the first Iraq war when the conventional US arms were shown to be superior to that of the Soviets. But now, thanks to the modernization plan of the Russian army and to the new alliances with China and Iran, Russsia IS FAR MORE POWERFUL military, economicaly, and politically then during the days of the USSR.
Lately I've been going over the information on the 911 hijackings from the point of view of the passengers on the 4 flights; in particular, the one flight attendant CeeCEE Lyles caught my attention. She was a former policewoman who had become a flight attendant only a year before; she was brave, spiritual, and she was determined to get the word out to others by recording a message for her husband to hear. She was being told what to say; there is the voice of a man whispering to her some of the words; when she says "I love you very much" you can hear the whisper of a man's voice saying 'much' right after she says 'very much'; obviously she was being told what to say and with what emotion to convey it. . At the end, she whispers 'it's a frame' then says to the goons guarding her 'sorry'. She has been framed (set up to take the fall), we all have been framed and set up to take the fall by the Zionists who planned and carried out 911. My take is that she was told to read the lines as part of a hijack drill and realized that this was so bizarre, being a former police woman, that it was likely she would be killed. She played along displaying no emotion (to make it appear that she felt it was a drill) but then broke into near tears toward the end, just before whispering 'it's a frame"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRGA3NRVgY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbzaZNzdIFA
April Gallop is another very brave woman who has gone public at great risk to herself and to her family. She was in the pentagon wing that was destroyed and managed to crawl out of the entrance hole in the Pentagon while carrying her infant; she reported seeing no evidence of any plane parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk
That 911 is an inside job can be shown by finding incontrovertible evidence that the towers were blown laterally outward by explosive charges (as they appear to do during the collapse). This evidence can be found by pausing this video at 1:17; you will see a crater shaped rubble pile where wtc 1 stood hours before and the center of the crater is at ground level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJUP-Ry7d0
You can see a vertical pole rising up from the center of the footprint of wtc 1; the base of this pole can be seen to be the same height as the street itself. Where did the 600K tons of building material go? Why is there a crater; wouldn't the rubble pile contain the falling debris that supposedly came crashing straight down through the middle of the building and causing lower floors to come crashing down too and thus be a hill shaped pile as in any other demolition? The answer is because charges were placed all along wtc 1 vertical core and the building was blown out laterally. There is no disputing this finding by any honest physicist or engineer; no dynamic modeling is needed with it's attendants variables. This one picture seen at 1:17 into the video is the smoking gun of 911
There is a famous saying about how one side gets to choose when to start a war but it's the other side that decides when that war ends, either by surrendering or by achieving victory over the aggressor. The Zionists have started this war with 911 but they will not be the ones deciding when the war is finished. All earlier wars have had on one side the JFE (jewish financial empire) and on the other side a less stronger power or combination of powers. But this time the JFE is fighting a war with the rest of the world and this time, the ROW is stronger by far. Therefore I believe that this war will be the war that liberates mankind from the JFE and ushers in a new age of peace that will last for centuries.
"Syria simply has not received the S-300 system."
try using the internet. they have. unless your game is simply to troll. Iran awaits theirs...officially, anyway.
A magic figure is going to emerge who will unite the different factions of muslims and dissolve of their differences? Nice bedtime fairy land story.
Karma is a bullshit concept which is something made up by the powerful to appease those who are getting their throats stepped on.
ROFL, everything is reported as allegedly, or you have to go to some insane psyop/conspiracy site for "confirmation."
Arrest Lloyd Blankfein, and end Goldman Sachs/the FED before it is too late. Its a no brainer for the east to join forces when it sees the west in a state of globalist anarchy.
Obomber bringing checkers to a chess match.
Another fine mess you got us into Barry. Spin this one...ha!
checkers to a cage fight
I always like the one, allegedly uttered by Mr. Putin himself during past negotiations:
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
I like that as well, although it may not be a correct description of the ultimate outcome of the game.
Let's admit the truth.
Putin is in Syria for one reason only-- to save his naval base from a mob of mindless, controlled kids playing soldier and directed by the people they hate the most-- the West.
For a very small investment and a great degree of plausible deniability by that bumbling, clueless Obama, Russian's Syrian satellite regime is so close to collapse that it is necessary to risk Russian body bags in order to keep it in control of at least the crucial minimum of strategic military terrain even if it has already lost all of its economically-valuable regions to the enemy.
This is going to be a very costly form of fun for Russia to play. Vietnam 2.0 -- The Fanbelt Years
That is not nearly the great winning chess move that you guys believe it to be, but rather a costly escalation that leaves valuable (politically-speaking) Russian lives on the line against cheap (politically-speaking) American surrogates.
I was watching a YouTube video recently where Putin implied the reason he was increasing his forces in Syria is because the Western proxy army, ISIS, could be a future threat to Russia by agitating the Muslim population on his southern border and beyond. Plus there may be pipeline considerations, and increasing his influence in the Mideast, as discussed on ZH. Most likely, saving the naval base is just one of many reasons Putin decided to act.
Putin can play the same game the US is by predominately using proxies to fight ISIS, thus minimizing casualties. In another video Putin called ISIS mercenaries.
mercenary video (Putin: "I even know what these amounts are")
I think all of the reasons you mention have some validity. But the non-ISIS mercenary armies have all evaporated, which is why he is there in corporeal Russian force in the first place. And let's keep the terminology straight. If ISIS are mercenaries on the US side, any forces whipped up by Putin to oppose them are not going to be "proxies" but mercenaries as well. All proxies or all mercenaries.
Using this definition of mercenary, at least most of the forces fighting or about to fight ISIS (Syrian army, Hezbollah, Iranians, Russia, China, Kadyrov's Chechan troops) wouldn't count as mercenaries since they're all part of an official army. But in the mercenary video link I provided Putin described how "moderate" rebels switched sides to ISIS when they were offered a higher salary that ISIS was able to offer from oil revenue.
Semantics aside, Putin is playing defense against the Western coalition, he didn't start this thing.
( video where Putin says in so many words he's forming a coalition to fight ISIS because of it's eventual threat to Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BspjFQFLT-c )
Don't argue with Terrible, he-she's one of those "I'm always right" kinda jewess's. He-she's into the whole Greater israel thing and can't wait for the 2 final puzzle pieces to fall so he-she can move into hisher's nice new rothschild blvd condo in the president trump tel-evivil tower.
Thanks for that, didn't know and unsure as well if it is male, female or reptilian.
The collective term is Zionist.
bwing pro-israel in some sense is one thing.
Tarabel, however is a shameless liar and Jewish Supremacist.
FSB has been actively letting the most problematic Islamists and wantabes go to Syria from Chechnya and the troubled Caucasus regions held by the Russians. . Even reports they have been giving them airfare or providing logistical support for them to get there. Once they do, they have their passports pulled and are declared criminals by the Russian gov't who will be arrested.
Highly dubious that Putin wants to 'destroy' ISIS one way or another and instead only want to bolster Assad's flailing position instead. Having an active ISIS which sucks up most of the most violent Islamists from his backdoor serves Putin quite well.
Yes,"Let's admit the truth" Tarabel, it might not be as hard for the Syrian Army as you imagine!
In Vietnam the north was fighting an invading forceof strangers, the Vietnamise were the Patriots, this time the Syrians are the Patriots fighting the mercenaries murdering their old folks and children!
Add Hillary's observation that he is "incompetant and feckless", and a pattern seems to emerge.
Man, you guys really need to put in some time on inventing your own similies. Do you have any idea how frequently that ridiculous chess-checkers allusion comes up when talking about Obama and Putin. Talk about green commentary. That thing has been recycled to death. Think of an original concept.
Obama playing Tiddly Winks. Putin playing chess
Well, thank you, Dutch. One point for vous.
But still, we have Russians on the ground against controlled US surrogates. Speaking as a Vietnam veteran with experience in such things, do you suppose this is really a good idea for the Russians?
As another Vietnam Vet, I have been saying essentially what SoCalBeach said above. There are multiple forces lining up to take on ISIS, not just Russian, and I really don't see the need for a lot of Russian combat troops. Having survived past pacification efforts, I'm here to testify that they don't fuckin' work very well, and are a stupid way to fight a war if the objective is to win. I seriously doubt that Russia will be trying to win hearts and minds in Syria. If you don't want to win, don't go. If you want to win, do what has to be done and go home.
Win hearts and minds in Syria? 80% of Syrians believe ISIS is a US creation. With those sort of statistics, hearts and minds automatically follow the destruction of ISIS.
Candyland vs Duke Nukem?
Obama is playing with himself, while Putin is doing lines off a stripper's ass.
throwing horseshoes or hand grenades?
"tarabel" we are a little sharp this morning are we suffering from a hangover or have you got our crabbey pants on , whatever it is I like your comments.
Don't Like checkers and chess? Ok I ll make it simple reality
Obama plays Golf while Putin just plain kicks the panty waists ass around the globe.
Helpful little known Fun Trivia Fact for your next party conversation:
Putin holds a Black Belt ninth degree in Judo, Chuck Norris has an eight degree blackbelt.
Iraq1, Iraq2, Serbia, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Ukraine, Syria and others. You have to do more than talk. Putin may be playing chess somewhere but everything is burning while he shares a bottle of vodka with buddies over a chess game.
Meanwhile another NATO member has actually dropped some more bombs:
http://www.rt.com/news/316624-france-bombs-isis-first/
So even France can fly planes into Syria and drop bombs. But Putin is impotent to do anything but talk while playing chess. Boy, I bet Syria wishes it had the S-300 system that Syria signed a full contract for but Putin refuses to honor Russia's contract.
Who is doing something (other than talk over a chess game) and who is not doing anything at all? Pidley little France does it while Putin talks more.
Obozo is playing water polo, but his pony drowned.
It is not just Obola. He is a puppet. It is PNAC, AIPAC, Deep State heroin dealers,, See Eye Aye, En Ess Aye, the incredibly EVIL State Department, The Pentagram, defense contractors, ZWO, Soros and the rest. The US is totally corrupt.
Very disturbing Jewish control of England going back a hundred years and USA.
We are in so deep and so amazed that few Americans are even aware.
No wonder they want more third worlders as we start to wake up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgrDrdQKlg
how long before ISIS aka weknowwho get hold of some pocket nuke and "retaliate" in Russia ?
I guess that depends on how many spares Israel has.
"a void which will be filled by the new Sino-Russian alliance to purge American influence from the Middle East after twenty years of relative peace."
the last 20 yrs have been relative peace?!?
Aside from the millions of dead, injured and displaced.
"War is peace".
Israel's foreign policy is finally earning it the enemies it deserves.
Not the coalition israel was looking for against ISIS
But the coalition it deserves.
ISIS hearts Israel and Israel hearts ISIS - there's a is match made in hell.
We have to remember that Maoist China was a zionist bolshevik creation and we still do not know with certainty if it is under zionist control today.
I traveled to China recently. No love for Israel or Jews there. Don't know who is pulling the levers behind the scenes, but the general population is not on the Israel First badnwagon as much of the US is. Also, while they fear the Uighurs, there is a huge Hui Muslim population in China. Halal restaurants all over Beijing and are popular with non-Muslim clientele; the Chinese trust the quality of food at the halal restaurants (you won't get dog meat passed off as hamburger).
The populace is definitely more aware of the situation there. I wonder how popular the Currency Wars series of books is now. The Chinese version of Creature from Jekyl Island.
The painting of China as a bad boy continues.
This is a direct outcome of Brzezinski's “unapologetic” [policy] in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still" and "imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”
The policy has back-fired. Lybia was a perfect show to sovereign nations of their own future if that future is to remain in hands of the empire.
There will be no dominant challenger emerging out of Eurasia. The whole of Eurasia will now stand against the empire and in Syria it is the last stand of the sovereign nations against the NWO.
As for Brzezinski's “unapologetic” [policy] - beware what you wish for...
All that remains is how stupid Wolfowitz-Doctrine influenced U.S. foreign policy is willing to extend itself at the expense (literally) of millions. Germany is the lynchpin. For when Germany decides to divest itself from underneath the boot of State Department edict, the majority of these global conflicts fade away, because the underlying interest in fomenting perpetual chaos on every key geopolitical front will have been addressed.
Germany has been and will get the brunt of this policy. They better have lots of KY on board.
I don't think any of the good folks in Kentucky want on board. q:B
Germany has not "decided" and cannot decide outside Europe since 8 May 1945
what kind of name is wolfowitz
Wolfschanze.
For when Germany decides to divest itself from underneath the boot of State Department edict,
The attack on Volkswagon made it easier for the Germans to divest.
The rest of the West have Deutsche Bank by the short hairs. Play ball or else.
See what you can get done when you aren't on the golf course or late-night comedy shows?
Which proves that one dumb nigga can fuck-up a country
He makes Bill Clinton look like an Uncle Tom, lol.
the intellectual superiority of vlad is simply astounding.
If you are one-eyed between the blinds...
Soviet education
To get an idea of just how despicable and ignorant the West is about their own government(s) and their actions in this part of the world!
http://thesaker.is/russias-civilizational-choice/
Obama: I know now, let's give Russia, China and Iran participation trophies. That'll make them feel included without being judged.
US gov should crawl under its rock and die
US gov and EU members should be put in jail and receive 100 lashes a day until they die
And France acts before russia or china...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/world/europe/france-says-it-has-struck...
They will stir it up because Germany doesn't want to play the game as is being exhibited by the VW fiasco. If Merkels phone was being monitored, then the CEO of VW had to be as well. According to sources, Germany may have refused to have new nukes based there.
http://www.thelocal.de/20150923/russia-warns-us-off-nuclear-build-up-in-...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-not-to-deploy-nuclear-weapons-in-germany...
On that note, remember how France was the US proxy used to get things started in Libya? and this:
'Rape and sodomy': Leaked UN report details French soldiers’ abuse against African boyshttp://www.rt.com/news/254205-french-soldiers-abuse-boys/
" If Merkels phone was being monitored, then the CEO of VW had to be as well."
Come on, surely no one seriously believes that the NSA spying apparatus is intended to catch real terrorists. It is clearly a tool to collect retrospectively apply incriminating evidence against leaders who oppose the US.
Look at the PM of Malaysia. He really didn't take the hints of MH370 and MH17. He insisted on a proper investigation and opposed the UN Tribunal scam. Then bingo, evidence of financial corruption just happens to fall into the hands of the US-sponsored opposition.
<-- Destroying incriminating evidence?
<-- Killing ISIS members?
Yes, France has this problem with never have won a war.
And be remembered as cowards against real armies.
Well, France does owe Russia about 1 billion euro for those two mistral ships.
The math isn't too hard on this one.
Each ASM is worth about 1 million euros.
There is an hourly operational cost for the jet fighters -- around 20,000 euros an hour.
Of course, France can't be expected to unilaterally complete over 500 Syrian bombing runs. France could also supply baguette and Perrier to other coalition members to pick up the slack.
I'm certain that all the financial details are being worked out through the usual diplomatic channels.
I do wonder if the ASMs are from French or NATO stock?
I'm sure that answer depends on whether the efforts are "successful" or not.
Russia has got its money back and more following the attack on the Ruble (Ruble -> Euro - wait - Ruble 'tanks' - Euro -> many more Rubles for intenal use or maybe skip that stage and go Euro - mucho Gold).
It also has a veto over the sale of the Mistral hulks (being stripped of Russian comms gear etc as we speak) to a third party. It will also make third party an attractive offer for the Ka-25 helicopters peccifically modified for use on the Mistrals
Let me get this straight - US pulling back and Russia and China getting their hands dirty in the ME is a bad thing? Hasn't the US reducing its involvement there been what everyone here has wanted? And when that happens there is a power vacuum and others will step in. But pulling Russia and China into that quagmire is a good thing no? Ot is it just bad when the US is involved?
Russia good. Usa bad. Web Brigade say so. Flame on.
So, by sarcastic inference: "USA is good"?
Care to explicate how it is 'good'?
I figure the delineation of good and bad are determined less by statehood, but more by social class.
Multi-national Corps.' serve as a facade for the real power players. They have no patriotic zeal, but
merely play nation states against one another like Chess pieces. However, zionism is a major driver.
Plenty of proof that USA is bad.
The US public will (may) soon understand their Governments "relationship" with ISIS. If ISIS are the evil torture-murderers described, what will public opinion demand from their "creators"? Will there be demands for certain criminal charges against certain public figures?
I know everyone wants ISIS basically wiped out but you'd think the families of the people who believed the bullshit that encouraged them to go to Syria, I'm talking from Western nations mostly. If in fact the ISIS is just an asset of the US those families should be able to take legal action.
If by 'bad', you mean 'outright corrupt and murderously evil', then I go along with that.
If Russians and Chinese want to kill ISIS I say godspeed. if that means less involvement by the US in the ME all the better
But pulling Russia and China into that quagmire is a good thing no? Ot is it just bad when the US is involved?
It depends on what the Russians and Chinese do in the ME. It'll be a quagmire if they try military dominance as the USSA did. But if they limit their involvement to trade, they have much to gain. Looks to me like they are on the latter path.
If one wanted to be charitable to this administration - I do not - you could argue that this plan was brilliant. By threatening Assad the US has been able to pull in the 2 other great powers, without UN votes or begging, to do its dirty work against Muslim extremists. If that was the plan - bravo
fosho wasnt
So, either look like a bunch idjuts and get China/Russia/Iran to clean up after ya, or they're really idjuts!
Difficult to tell!
Russian and China are acting with the consent of the local governement. So I can't really blame them for going into this.
The USA (or it's allies) acted illegaly and created a so called "uprising" against the local governement and also support (and/or created) ISIS. So I am personaly happy that their evil strategy is failing and that they have to pull out.
Illegally attacking a country outside of UN mandate is surely an act of war, a war of aggression, the ultimate crime against humanity. Can ou feel the US all of impunity finally cracking away?
If we take a step back, and look at the world from say roughly 1991 to today {in other words expressly excluding the USSR and Deep Red China}
Who has engendered the most war, death, destruction, etc.
A] US/Israel;
B] Iran;
C] China; or
D] Russian Federation?
If your answer is anything but 'A' - what is your best argument?
I've elected to simply merge the US and Israel as it is in fact more problematic to separate them as global actors. Arguably, very arguably, that binary should also include the UK, fair enough, but I don't think it affects the basic query here.
USA is like a cornered rat. dangerous.
A corner that they painted themselves into by meddling in the business of the entire world. Had they just left Iraq and Libya alone instead of marching in there under false pretenses of searching for WMDs, the middle east would still be a relatively peaceful part of this world to this day. Instead, they walked in there and murdered Saddam Hussein and Muammar Kadaffi, two leaders who had their countries under complete control. Apparently Libya was a fine place to live before the NWO monsters destroyed it.
I feel very bad that the blame for all the troubles in the world falls on "the USA". It is definitely not "the USA", it is the bankers who control the world and simply use the USA as its "war branch" and Israel as its "asshole branch". The American people are not in favor of ANY of this murderous agenda.
I worked for Ghaddaffi govt in 2002-2003. Fine place and NOTHING like what they make Americans believe. Now its a total hellhole of terrorists.
photos here
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0
Free healthcare...
His only real mistake was trying to set up a pan-African currency based on gold outside the Zionist banker regime. You really need to seriously muscle (nukes apparently) to back that one up. Everything else was pablum for the MSMers
Someone posted a before and after picture of Tripoli. The before was before the ziocons attacked Khadaffi and the after was recent.
The before picture was at night and it looked like a glottering modern Chinese city. Now it looks like Dresden after the bankster WW2 war.
The people in Libya had a constantly improving standard of living. Khadaffi told us that Al Qeada was attacking him. My guess is this is when McCain-Soros-See Eye Aye renamed them ISIS to confuse the idiot masses.
And that is what Benghazi is really all about. I don't mean just the attack that the Repubs want to "investigate". I mean the importance of what was happening long before any attacks on U.S. compounds there, and what was going on at the time of the attacks. All that is going on in Congress has been, and continues to be, just a political witch hunt. The real story is what the CIA and State Department were DOING. Benghazi was a consolidation point for moving weapons clandestinly from Libya to Syria's rebels (or ISIS), but they won't investigate that. We hear Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, but nothing more than what may or may not have happened during a few hours one night, while the real story is kept under cover.
I am almost absolutely sure that China and Russia are there to facilitate the movement of the Syrian, Libyan (ect.) refugees to their own countries.
This is not going well for the future of the petrodollar...
No worries ..... Old Yeller says everything is hunky dory .... and everyhting is so good that rates hike to come before the end of this year!, cough, cough.
Germany as been snuggling up to Russia. Germans know the truth about the neocons in Ukraine.
Notice that the VW scandal came up so timely?
Never underestimate the total EVIL of the USA neocons
Perhaps. Just ask Gerhard Schroeder.
schroder?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der
"He is currently the chairman of the board of Nord Stream AG, after having been hired as a global manager by investment bank Rothschild."
Merkel is an US asset.
Merkel is an US asshat
Fixed it for ya
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Merkel is a blackmailed U.S. Ass Hat.
Still needed fixing.
The only "destablisation" from Putin is the destablisation of US Foreign Policy regarding their efforts to remove Assad.
If Putin's approach fucks up said policy I think a liberal dose of schadenfroide is called for.
Of course I could be wrong and the US could be right right, Syria could well end up as a peaceful holiday destination, along with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Egypt and all the other poor schmucks who have been bombed into a "democracy"
If one wanted to be charitable to this administration - I do not - you could argue that this plan was brilliant. By threatening Assad the US has been able to pull in the 2 other great powers, without UN votes or begging, to do its dirty work against Muslim extremists. If that was the plan - bravo
Shirley you don't think that Israel would come up with a plan like that, do you?
Sometimes I wonder where the American people would be if it wasn't for the battles going on with Russia and China. While disenfranchising and terrorizing us seems to be a side job just imagine what would be going down if if was the only goal on the table. Hedgers and any other people concerned for the independence of the American people would probably be in plastic boxes by now and that's not a joke either.
Whether one agrees with Putin or not they should be thankful he exists. Only dead fish go with the flow in these circumstances and there are dead fish as far as the eye can see.
ZH just wrote the DUMBEST post in their long and illustrious history.
China wants CHEAP energy. As long as Gazprom can sell to Europe it has the leverage over China. So far 15 European countries have reduced or completely cancelled Russian gas purchases for next year. Immediately China balked at the agreements with Gazprom that they signed jsut a few months ago. Chinese demand price custs.
The best outcome for China, the way they can get the MOST leverage is for the Qatari gas to get to Europe, leaving Gazprom without any leverage. It's absolutely against China's interests to keep Assad. Whatever they claim they're doing - deploying navy, etc - that's just a facade, a PR for the Chinese and Russian domestic nationalistic crowds.
Two additional points:
1. Whatever Russian Senator WTF-is-his-name says, that it must be true. By definition. Because Russian Senators, who aren't elected but apporinted by Putin, never ever lie or spew propaganda. Never.
2. What's USA got to lose there? There are no US troops in the area, the weapons are coming from Lybia, not USA's own stockpiles. Ok, USA spent a few mi ndollars to "train" the jihadis. Big deal! Compared to $4T lost in Iraq, this is leterally peanuts. When the Battle of Britain just begun, Churchill appealed to Stalin to join the fight against Hitler. Stalin declined, and privately laughed at Churchill and used to tell his Putitburo mates: let them fight alone, we'll watch from the sidelines how well the fight goes for them. It' USA's turn to watch from the sidelines how well the fight goes for the Russkies. We've heard lots of words from Puti-poo, we've yet to see Russkies do any fighting in the middle east.
So far 15 European countries have reduced or completely cancelled Russian gas purchases for next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
link please. I am in Europe so don't try and bullshit me, kid.
Of course. They cancelled gas delivery from Russia.
And then they ordered ... where?
Learn how to spell, Dumbo. Its Libya and the rest of your comment is laughable gibberish
you angry, bro?
"ZH just wrote the DUMBEST post in their long and illustrious history".
How would you know? You've only been here for 26 weeks. Oh wait, you have been following ZH since 2005 of course...
Anyway, Chine needs to keep Assad in place because they their best bet on keeping the Silkroad uninterrupted. The fight of our time is about who is going to control Eurasia.
Obomber yells at Putin. ''Why are you moving your bases closer to our borders''??
Sorry sorry, I must go! I have finished the supply of beer and pop-corn. Eh Eh Eh
Very shortly we will actually find out that the Joos do have nuclear weapons.
Great -we get trilions into debt on stupid Neocon wars and enriching Banksters, and the result is Russia getting an empire in the Middle East. ThIS new coalition will endanger Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan and even Israel. Watch the rats jump the American ship and cut a deal with Russia, International zionists Israel wll have to move their headquarters from Israel to Ukraine (homeland of Khazzarian jewry) and perhaps maybe Germany and other European countries will desert.
Things that most Americans don't know
A. Kiev and Tel Aviv are World HQ for the sale and illegal harvesting of human organs. Poroshenko owns a string of funeral parlours in Kiev. FACT. How convenient.
B. Kiev and Tel Aviv are World HQ for the illegal sex worker trade.
Tel Aviv is also one of the porn capitals of the world and harbours many criminals.
and C.
Homosexuals
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/24/tel-aviv-the-new-gay-travel-hotspot.html
It may be a travel hotspot, but they still have to watch out for the gay-murdering religious fanatics.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/08/03/israeli-teenager-dies-after...
Nuland, Nuland, Pyatt, are you there, are you reading this.
Did you see that, dd you see what happened, .
A bit of a fucker eh. Imagine that was quite a shock watching the masters at work.
None of this fuck the EU bollox, and fucking about with third rate Nazi cunts, and then playing games with shitty little desert cunts and losing either all your fucking arms and ammo to them and watch them switch sides and mercilessly take the piss.
Take the piss out of you that is. Do you realize every fucker on the planet is laughing their fucking heads off at your fucking pathetic antics.
Did you see how smoothly easily and simply Russia and China made you and the whole fucking State dept look like third rate amateur cunts. With your pathetic CIA goons and retards and your fucking wanking and tossing generals, if they are not as corrupt as that cunt Petreus asshole, are still fucking boys, and shitting themselves if they have to leave Washington, in case some fucker hurts their feelings.
Did you see what they accomplished in one swift easy movement Nuland and Pyatt.
They fucked your plans for pipeline, they fucked your plans over Iran, they cemented a Middle East Iran Iraq, Syria, and China and Russia alliance that can now tell the fucking jew boys to fuck off in the area, Tell that fucking war mongering kike in Israel to fuck off too.
An that means telling you fucking kikes to fuck off too in Washington.
Did you see how smoothly and easily they did that, Mr Putin and his friends in the Middle East and China, how they fucked you over so smartly.
Are you listening and learning, Are you beginning to understand that so far you are not just out of your depth but at the bottom of the fucking sea.
Very nicely stated about people that are lower than whale shite.
They do not care about people laughing at them. They will just bide their time until another opportunity arises for the Greater Israel project. The only way out is to remove their grips on power and influence in the US. Netanyahu has stated that the US is of no concern other than its use to Israel. The Zionists have no concern should the US be destroyed in the process of creating Greater Israel.
It will take time, but more and more people are waking up and once woken up, via the Internet, their knowldege grows exponentially and never diminishes now as it did when the MSM was all we had.b Knowledge is power
Fox News and CNN - and then the ISW founded by Dr. Kimberly Kagan.
http://www.understandingwar.org/who-we-are
lots of impressive resumes - people who went to top schools or who were even hot chicks in "Army intelligence in Iraq."
Who's signing their checks?
Fun fact --"Kagan" was the title of the Khazar kings, much like Khan was the title of the Mongol leaders. But the whole "Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars" story is just an anti-Semitic myth right? Right?
'Kimberly Kagan is the founder and president of the Institute for the Study of War - See more at: http://www.understandingwar.org/press-media/staff-bios/dr-kimberly-kagan..."
from wikipedia entry on Kimberly Kagan:
"Kagan is the daughter of an accountant and school teacher from New York City. She received her B.A. in Classical Civilization and her Ph.D. in History from Yale University. At Yale, Kagan met her husband Frederick Kagan, who is an American resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI),son of Donald Kagan, a well-known historian and brother of Robert Kagan, another well-known writer and publicist. Robert Kagan's wife is Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs."
Neither a hot chick or a smart chick, just a chick with a connection by marriage right to Victoria Nuland and Robert Kaga. The Zionist jews are the sickest most war mongering tribalists since the Mongols and have devestated the World about equally so far in their effort to form a Jewish Financial Empire
Netanyahu is already looking for another host to latch on to, Thats what Jews do. Leeches and parasites.
They see that the West's ponzi scheme soon might come to and end.