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US On The Ropes: China To Join Russian Military In Syria While Iraq Strikes Intel Deal With Moscow, Tehran
Last Thursday, we asked if China was set to join Russia and Iran in support of the Assad regime in Syria.
Our interest was piqued when the pro-Assad Al-Masdar (citing an unnamed SAA “senior officer”), said Chinese “personnel and aerial assets” are set to arrive within weeks. To the uninitiated, this may seem to have come out of left field, so to speak. However, anyone who has followed the conflict and who knows a bit about the global balance of power is aware that Beijing has for some time expressed its support for Damascus, most notably by voting with Russia to veto a Security Council resolution that would have seen the conflict in Syria referred to the Hague. Here’s what China had to say at the May 22, 2014 meeting:
For some time now, the Security Council has maintained unity and coordination on the question of Syria, thanks to efforts by Council members, including China, to accommodate the major concerns of all parties. At a time when seriously diverging views exist among the parties concerning the draft resolution, we believe that the Council should continue holding consultations, rather than forcing a vote on the draft resolution, in order to avoid undermining Council unity or obstructing coordination and cooperation on questions such as Syria and other major serious issues. Regrettably, China’s approach has not been taken on board; China therefore voted against the draft resolution.
In other words, China could see the writing on the wall and it, like Russia, was not pleased with where things seemed to be headed. A little more than a year later and Moscow has effectively called time on the strategy of using Sunni extremist groups to destabilize Assad and given what we know about Beijing’s efforts to project China’s growing military might, it wouldn’t exactly be surprising to see the PLA turn up at Latakia as well.
Sure enough, Russian media now says that according to Russian Senator Igor Morozov, Beijing has decided to join the fight. Here’s Pravda (translated):
According to the Russian Senator Igor Morozov, Beijing has taken decision to take part in combating IS and sent its vessels to the Syrian coast.
Igor Morozov, member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs claimed about the beginning of the military operation by China against the IS terrorists. "It is known, that China has joined our military operation in Syria, the Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, aircraft carrier follows it," Morozov said.
According to him, Iran may soon join the operation carried out by Russia against the IS terrorists, via Hezbollah. Thus, the Russian coalition in the region gains ground, and most reasonable step of the US would be to join it. Although the stance of Moscow and Washington on the ways of settlement of the Syrian conflict differs, nonetheless, low efficiency of the US coalition acts against terrorists is obvious. Islamists have just strengthened their positions.
As Leonid Krutakov told Pravda.Ru in an interview, the most serious conflict is currently taking place namely between China and the US. Moscow may support any party, the expert believes, and that is what will change the world order for many years.
Clearly, one has to consider the source here, but as noted above, if Beijing is indeed set to enter the fray, it would be entirely consistent with China's position on Syria and also with the PLA's desire to take a more assertive role in international affairs.
Meanwhile, it now looks as though the very same Russian-Iran "nexus" that's playing spoiler in Syria is also set to take over the fight against ISIS in Iraq, as Baghdad has now struck a deal to officially share intelligence with Moscow and Tehran. Here's CNN:
Iraq says it has reached a deal to share intelligence with Russia, Iran and Syria in the fight against ISIS militants.
The announcement on Saturday from the Iraqi military cited "the increasing concern from Russia about thousands of Russian terrorists committing criminal acts within ISIS."
The news comes amid U.S. concerns about Russia's recent military buildup in Syria and would appear to confirm American suspicions of some kind of cooperation between Baghdad and Moscow.
We'd be remiss if we failed to note the significance here. The entire narrative is falling apart for the US, as Russia and Iran are now moving to transform the half-hearted Western effort to contain ISIS into a very serious effort to eradicate the group. Recall that just a little over a week ago, Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani essentially accused the US of intentionally keeping Islamic State around so that the group can continue to advance Washington's geopolitical agenda by serving as a destabilizing element in Syria. According to the Pentagon, Soleimani's visit to Russia (which, you're reminded, violated a UN travel ban and infuriated opponents of the Iran nuclear deal) was "very important" in terms of accelerating the timetable on Russia's inevitable involvement in Syria. It is of course Soleimani who commands the Shiite militias battling ISIS in Iraq. Now, it appears that in addition to the cooperation in Syria, he has managed to secure a Russian-Iran partnership for Tehran's Iraqi operations as well. Here's GOP mouthpiece Fox News:
Russian, Syrian and Iranian military commanders have set up a coordination cell in Baghdad in recent days to try to begin working with Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting the Islamic State, Fox News has learned.
Western intelligence sources say the coordination cell includes low-level Russian generals. U.S. officials say it is not clear whether the Iraqi government is involved at the moment.
Describing the arrival of Russian military personnel in Baghdad, one senior U.S. official said, "They are popping up everywhere."
While the U.S. also is fighting the Islamic State, the Obama administration has voiced concern that Russia's involvement, at least in Syria, could have a destabilizing effect.
Moscow, though, has fostered ties with the governments in both Syria and Iraq. In May, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi flew to Moscow for an official visit to discuss potential Russian arms transfers and shared intelligence capability, as well as the enhancement of security and military capabilities, according to a statement by the Iraqi prime minister's office at the time.
Iranian Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani also was spotted in Baghdad on Sept 22. He met with Shia militias backed by Iran; intelligence officials believe he met with Russians as well.
And here is ISW:
What appears to have happened here is this: Vladimir Putin has exploited both the fight against ISIS and Iran's need to preserve the regional balance of power on the way to enhancing Russia's influence over Mid-East affairs which in turn helps to ensure that Gazprom's interests are protected going forward.
Thanks to the awkward position the US has gotten itself in by covertly allying itself with various Sunni extremist groups, Washington is for all intents and purposes powerless to stop Putin lest the public should sudddenly get wise to the fact that combatting Russia's resurrgence and preventing Iran from expanding its interests are more imporant than fighting terror.
In short, Washington gambled on a dangerous game of geopolitical chess, lost, and now faces two rather terrifyingly disastrous outcomes: 1) China establishing a presence in the Mid-East in concert with Russia and Iran, and 2) seeing Iraq effectively ceded to the Quds Force and ultimately, to the Russian army.
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i was thinking the same
typical jew-behaviour if they cant find a new host they will create one
or they will create a new system to put people in a new form of slavery on glabal scale
I'm not sure its going to work this time. They have been unmasked before the whole world, so where can they run? I think America was their last refuge. They are still supported here by brainwashed Christian Zionists, but even some of that crowd is waking up slowly. I think when Israel reaches its expiry date, and Jesus fails to return from the sky to save it, they will lose their Christian backing, and then it's gonna get ugly.
The one thing that caused ordinary Americans to start paying attention to the relationship between the U.S. and Israel was when Nuttyahoo went before Congress and challenged Obama. Like him or not, this was a foreigner coming to America and criticizing the President while standing in the well of Congress.....another brilliant Boehner idea.
Jo Stewart had a very interesting take on this, and his audience is young and easily influenced. Perhaps some of you can recall when anyone called out a Israeli Prime Minister so directly on TV, but I sure can't.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/...
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=jon+stewart+netanyahu&ei=UTF-8&hsp...
I think Jesus is coming back and the Ashkenazis will flee in terror.
If you know any Christian Zionists, just take them out behind the chemical shed... and do the right thing.
Russia and China have carefully observed the toxic nature of Zionism on its host. They will stay well clear all being well.
The only hope Zion has for Russia is to install one of their men as leader. Khodokovsky seems to think he is the man for the job. As a fallback, the Rothschilds are - can you believe the irony, sorry chutzpah, of this - starting to shore up supposed descendants of the Romanovs to 'rightfully reclaim the crown' of Russsia (for Zion's benefit of course).
Alfred! Before World War II, Jews were firmly latched onto the United Kingdom. As the UK oversaw Palestine, and was still the world power in the Middle East, also a powerful financial center. After World War II, when the USA became top dog, the Jews moved very quickly to get into Washington and begin to direct the Power to their favor. As the USA slips, Jews will be casting their eyes about to who will emerge, and they will jump to them in an instant. Yes, all through history they follow the money and power. Spain, England, etc. look back to Medieval times as well.
But where can they go now? The future belongs to China, Russia and Iran. All three of these countries know what the Jews are capable of and distrust them. It looks like they are trapped at long last.
Interesting how (as I read it) Xi snubbed Zuckerberg bigtime. Even with the sociopath Zuckerberg speaking Chinese, Xi basically ignored him (and Google) while meeting with the top high-tech silicon valley elite.
I think the Chinese are fully aware of the game and want no part of the khazarian tribe.
They followed the Romans around too, I call it "Mary had a little lamb"
US was out this deal because US=ISIS or ISIS=US.
Know World War II, Avoid World War III
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/
pretty interesting. blog I learned abou there on ZH.
Yes, I have read it for several years. Really good background to events. Main Stream Media will never touch that sort of thing.
Interesting link.....thanks.
Perhaps Putin reads it, too, and saw this report from the Brookings Institute about the U.S. occupying a portion of Syria.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/09/us-seeks-occupation-as-us-figh...
It must be rubbish, because in response to one poster, Lambeth Strether at Naked Capitalism claimed that Caralucci was false-flag stooge with no real background.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Germany, Sweden, France and the Netherlands all have NO GO zones caused by migratioin inflows from the Middle Esat, North Africa and Pakistan/Afghanistan. This new Russian involvement will likely increase the outflows - at least in the short to medium term. Stand by for more confrontations and violence in Europe.
http://tsecnetwork.ca/2015/09/18/no-go-zones-and-the-european-migration-...
Deutsche Wirtshafts Nachrichten calculated that Germany would be majority Muslim by 2050, and that was before the refugee crisis.
They are already ~100% gutless vassals to the US, so if the US wants Germany to be 100% Musliom, who are they to argue.
This is what happens when warmongers are in control.
I'll be glad when Canada goes it alone. Who needs all this BS? Not me.
But then again, maybe DC will change its ways, but not likely.
Canada is controlled by ZioNazis.
HARPER is an insane Zionist. A Christian Zionist, a brainwashed fool, the very worst kind. He is not Jewish, but believes Jews are the worlds superior race, and he must do their bidding, even over his own people's interests. Crazy Christian Zion.
That is the way I see it too, Jack Burton.
Even much of the mainstream in Canada sort of superficially sees it that way too:
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/09/27/the-high-cost-of-st...
The high cost of Stephen Harper's foreign policyA lot of Canadians I know say that it's less a case of fanatical belief rather that the Ziocons have him by the balls in some way or other.
Its those close-up photos at the child sacrifice orgy. Works every time.
The strange thing is those people are so far from the teachings of Christ it isn't even funny.
They are evil Jew wannabes.
China has committed themselves to Syria - they've anchored their aircraft carrier right off the coast of Syria. The gig is up for the United States - the handwriting is on the wall. Now - the only question is: can Obama read and comprehend what it's telling him?!
China has construction companies also. Someone eventually has to rebuild Syria.
Lots of JOBS
and markets...more silk road
They learned their lesson over Libya. They were suckered into pulling their construction people of of Libya, thinking it would just a short term thing. Then the AngloZionists pulled their pre-planned bait-and-switch, destroying any chance of the Chinese returning to continue where they left off.
...and Frenchies moving in for some of the action.
unless this was the plan to fold the USA all along.
Can't have a one world government with a superpower.
Interesting that China feels it's carrier and the air wing is fully operational. Seeing a Chinese Carrier launching strikes will make the west piss all over itself! This Russian and Chinese move to back Assad against all of the NATO forces means that NATO has just been called out! Used to fighting guys with AK's, NATO wonders what Iskander, Sunburn, S-400, TOR M2U, Kornet ATGM, and other real war machines look like arrivng on target.
China has Muslims in their far western provinces. This ethnic group was recently reported to have set up a training camp for terrorists of ethnic Uyghur origin. In short, the Western Intelligence agencies have recruited Chinese Muslims to form terror cells and their training camps are on Syria soil held by ISIS. All the reason China needed to come to Syria and lay waste this Western Asset.
I like your take on the situation you posted a few days ago.
Notice that the coastal region of Syria is lush and green, then mountains and nothing but desert. I think they are going to split Syria and control the coast. and say ''Fuck the rest of the desert''
The mountains might be a challenge with winter coming and Syria gets SNOW and COLD. Would be great to see Russia carpet bomb them in the mountains.
While you are correct about Chinese fears of the Uighur separatists, it should be clarified that China has huge native Hui Muslim population (some estimates are 50 million or more), and not just in the western provinces. The Hui Muslims are generally assimilated into Chinese culture and are considered just like other Chinese but practicing their own religion. Historically Muslims have played a major role in Chinese politics and military. Zheng He, the great Chinese admiral who may have discovered South America before Columbus, was a Muslim, and modern Bejing (called Dadu by the Mongols) was designed by Muslim architects working for Kublai Khan. The Nuijie Mosque in Beijing (which I visited recently) has been in use since the 10th century. The Chinese are not threatend by Islam itself, just by modern militant Islamist extremism.
Excellent point. But the US and CIA will try to turn the Uighur Muslims into terrorists. As for the other Chinese Muslims, they sound like the large Russian Muslim populations which are integrated fully into Russian life for many centuries. In fact, reading Russian history, Russians have always lived, worked and fought together with their own Muslims, Russian Mulsims. Some Russian cities are mainly Muslim and at the same time fully Russian.
The Middle East Muslims are different that the peacefull Muslims of Russia and China.
ndx trader and btthunder have the 2 best posts here....
all you other putin sukers should read them and reflect for just a moment on what is going on in the world..
For real instead of your putin luving collored glaszses.
The guy is just that - a guy,
As such he will die and then shit will get bad for the ordinary ruskies.....
how many loaded guns do you think are looking for a chance at that dude.....
Sure alot get caught, but only one has to make it.
You are a fucking idiot. Your nigga ''president'' and most Congressmen have targets on their backs also.
Notice they ALL have security people.
Now crawl back into your trailer you shit for brains yank wanker.
You are a fucking idiot. Your nigga ''president'' and most Congressmen have targets on their backs also.
Notice they ALL have security people.
Now crawl back into your trailer you shit for brains yank wanker.
how far is the Old Log Inn?
Hey Bozo, difference is Russian people are intelligent. 90 percent of Americans are imbeciles. YOU being a PRIME EXAMPLE.
Hey, Dickie Cheney, open wide 'cuz Iraq is about to take a huge shit in your mouth...the MAN with the plan will be spitting pieces of shit out of his mouth and choking on chunks of turds - my dream come true!...
My dream is someone tasering his pacemaker while I crouch over his mouth and take a huge dump.
He should also be made to release the details of the conversations he had with the CEOs of the major oil companies before the invasion of Iraq. I suspect that would cause more than a few CEOs to suddenly come down with Alzheimer's disease.
What exactly is China intending to do with a cruiser and carrier, fly missions against ISIS? Or are these just show pieces while they ship in 11,000,000 ground troops?
Maybe this belongs on the Putin thread but the statement is here:
Um, how do we parse that? Is Russia acting vis Hizboolah, or is it Iran "helping" via Hizboolah? Involving any jihadi group on your side is a bad, bad idea. Come to think of it, I don't think Putin would make that mistake, but would he still team with Iran while Iran makes that mistake - I mean for them it's not a mistake? But then, Putin teaming with Iran *is* that mistake after all, isn't it.
What a mess.
I think you ought to read more about Hezbollah and its origins.
It's certainly not guys I'd invite over to the pool for a dip, but they are not mindless Islamist nuts, and primarily a defensive force. They've literally protected churches and fleeing christians as US-sponsored *sunni* terror squads were chasing them.
Why is teaming with Iran a mistake?
Why is killing or capturing US-sponsored terrorists a mistake?
China will hunt Uighirs and probably maintain a light footprint.
That will change if the US or Israelis kill any of them, 'accidentally' or not - then China will send considerably more troops, AAm and other goodies which will fuck up Uncle Scam's plans. imo.
China is going to hunt Uighirs in Syria with an aircraft carrier?
I don't draw any significant lines between Islamic supremacy groups, it's all rock-and-jihad to me, and that includes both the Saudi royals and the Iranian ayatollahs. If Shia and Sunni want to fight each other, we can sell popcorn, but reinforcing one to take out the other seems a fool's errand, better an outside force simply wipe out whatever needs wiping out.
Your query is inane.
The aircraft carrier is token force protection.
I imagine there will be a number of subs with it.
They are flying the jets in later, according to a story I read.
Besides, you can pack a heckuva lotta Chinese Marines into a ship that big, dump them off, then put on the planes.
"The Trojan Carrier."
Well, that's going to be remarkable, if it really happens.
Well why are you here showing us all your ignorance and lack of understanding abut the importance of the situation? Rock & jihad, indeed.
Iran and Hezbollah are tied at the hip, and have been since the beginning. If you are aliened with Iran, you must know that Hezbollah comes with the deal. If you know much at all about the ME, you understand the significance that implies.
"It's certainly not guys I'd invite over to the pool for a dip"
Authentic Middle Eastern people have this concept of hospitality. They are generally very hospitable to other people.
The immigrant Zionist religious nutjobs are something different altogether. They seem to regard anything that doesn't already fly the Star of David as their property. There is one poor guy in Hebron who has not been able to leave his house for decades, following the occupation of the lower floor of his building by Zionist squatters, He knows that as soon as he leaves, they will take over and kick him out of his own property. They have imposed a living death sentence on him as they and he both know they will be in there the moment he dies.
Hezbollah are not jihadists. They are a Shia group. Its the Americans who keep arming and supporting Jihadists. Here is the latest example http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/trained-syria-fighters-gave-equipm...
Hezbollah are the good guys Without them ,the fucking Israelis would have stolen Lebanon years ago
I support both Hamas and Hezbollah
Hezbollah are also REAL men, not punks like the IDF who only know how to shoot women and children,
Notice how fast those Jew bastards ran in 2006 when they tried to steal the Litani River.
" Hezbollah was conceived by Muslim clerics and funded by Iran following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, and was primarily formed to offer resistance to the Israeli occupation.["
The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories still occupied by Israel following the Six-Day War of 1967. They consist of the Palestinian Territories of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; much of the Golan Heights from Syria; and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt.
"The United States,[40] France,[41] the Gulf Cooperation Council,[42] Australia,[43] Canada,[44] the Netherlands,[45] and Israel[46] have classified Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, though in early 2015 the U.S. director of National Intelligence removed it from the list of terrorist threats against the United States.[47]"
A terrorist organisation that just fights to keep their land from being stolen?
As should always be remembered - one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
the countries listed by the unimpeachable wiki source you cite all have, as it happens, significant Jewish/Zionist lobbies.
The designation is meaningless, especially as the US, UK, and Israel are the world's leading state terrorists - and also clearly directly and indirectly support Islamic terrorists to achieve geostrategic goals in MENA.
I don't doubt that Hez. has engaged in "terror" but then so did the Zionists who founded Israel - you never hear of that though, do ye?
Myth #3 – The Arabs missed an opportunity to have their own state in 1947.
The U.N. recommendation to partition Palestine was rejected by the Arabs. Many commentators today point to this rejection as constituting a missed “opportunity” for the Arabs to have had their own state. But characterizing this as an “opportunity” for the Arabs is patently ridiculous. The Partition plan was in no way, shape, or form an “opportunity” for the Arabs.
First of all, as already noted, Arabs were a large majority in Palestine at the time, with Jews making up about a third of the population by then, due to massive immigration of Jews from Europe (in 1922, by contrast, a British census showed that Jews represented only about 11 percent of the population).
Additionally, land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district of Palestine, including Jaffa, where Arabs owned 47 percent of the land while Jews owned 39 percent – and Jaffa boasted the highest percentage of Jewish-owned land of any district. In other districts, Arabs owned an even larger portion of the land. At the extreme other end, for instance, in Ramallah, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land. In the whole of Palestine, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent, which remained the case up until the time of Israel’s creation.
Yet, despite these facts, the U.N. partition recommendation had called for more than half of the land of Palestine to be given to the Zionists for their “Jewish State”. The truth is that no Arab could be reasonably expected to accept such an unjust proposal. For political commentators today to describe the Arabs’ refusal to accept a recommendation that their land be taken away from them, premised upon the explicit rejection of their right to self-determination, as a “missed opportunity” represents either an astounding ignorance of the roots of the conflict or an unwillingness to look honestly at its history.
It should also be noted that the partition plan was also rejected by many Zionist leaders. Among those who supported the idea, which included David Ben-Gurion, their reasoning was that this would be a pragmatic step towards their goal of acquiring the whole of Palestine for a “Jewish State” – something which could be finally accomplished later through force of arms.
When the idea of partition was first raised years earlier, for instance, Ben-Gurion had written that “after we become a strong force, as the result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine”. Partition should be accepted, he argued, “to prepare the ground for our expansion into the whole of Palestine”. The Jewish State would then “have to preserve order”, if the Arabs would not acquiesce, “by machine guns, if necessary
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
Myth #4 – Israel has a “right to exist”.
The fact that this term is used exclusively with regard to Israel is instructive as to its legitimacy, as is the fact that the demand is placed upon Palestinians to recognize Israel’s “right to exist”, while no similar demand is placed upon Israelis to recognize the “right to exist” of a Palestinian state.
Nations don’t have rights, people do. The proper framework for discussion is within that of the right of all peoples to self-determination. Seen in this, the proper framework, it is an elementary observation that it is not the Arabs which have denied Jews that right, but the Jews which have denied that right to the Arabs. The terminology of Israel’s “right to exist” is constantly employed to obfuscate that fact.
As already noted, Israel was not created by the U.N., but came into being on May 14, 1948, when the Zionist leadership unilaterally, and with no legal authority, declared Israel’s existence, with no specification as to the extent of the new state’s borders. In a moment, the Zionists had declared that Arabs no longer the owners of their land – it now belonged to the Jews. In an instant, the Zionists had declared that the majority Arabs of Palestine were now second-class citizens in the new “Jewish State”.
The Arabs, needless to say, did not passively accept this development, and neighboring Arab countries declared war on the Zionist regime in order to prevent such a grave injustice against the majority inhabitants of Palestine.
It must be emphasized that the Zionists had no right to most of the land they declared as part of Israel, while the Arabs did. This war, therefore, was not, as is commonly asserted in mainstream commentary, an act of aggression by the Arab states against Israel. Rather, the Arabs were acting in defense of their rights, to prevent the Zionists from illegally and unjustly taking over Arab lands and otherwise disenfranchising the Arab population. The act of aggression was the Zionist leadership’s unilateral declaration of the existence of Israel, and the Zionists’ use of violence to enforce their aims both prior to and subsequent to that declaration.
In the course of the war that ensued, Israel implemented a policy of ethnic cleansing. 700,000 Arab Palestinians were either forced from their homes or fled out of fear of further massacres, such as had occurred in the village of Deir Yassin shortly before the Zionist declaration. These Palestinians have never been allowed to return to their homes and land, despite it being internationally recognized and encoded in international law that such refugees have an inherent “right of return”.
Palestinians will never agree to the demand made of them by Israel and its main benefactor, the U.S., to recognize Israel’s “right to exist”. To do so is effectively to claim that Israel had a “right” to take Arab land, while Arabs had no right to their own land. It is effectively to claim that Israel had a “right” to ethnically cleanse Palestine, while Arabs had no right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in their own homes, on their own land.
The constant use of the term “right to exist” in discourse today serves one specific purpose: It is designed to obfuscate the reality that it is the Jews that have denied the Arab right to self-determination, and not vice versa, and to otherwise attempt to legitimize Israeli crimes against the Palestinians, both historical and contemporary.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
Myth #5 – The Arab nations threatened Israel with annihilation in 1967 and 1973
The fact of the matter is that it was Israel that fired the first shot of the “Six Day War”. Early on the morning of June 5, Israel launched fighters in a surprise attack on Egypt (then the United Arab Republic), and successfully decimated the Egyptian air force while most of its planes were still on the ground.
It is virtually obligatory for this attack to be described by commentators today as “preemptive”. But to have been “preemptive”, by definition, there must have been an imminent threat of Egyptian aggression against Israel. Yet there was none.
It is commonly claimed that President Nasser’s bellicose rhetoric, blockade of the Straits of Tiran, movement of troops into the Sinai Peninsula, and expulsion of U.N. peacekeeping forces from its side of the border collectively constituted such an imminent threat.
Yet, both U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessed at the time that the likelihood Nasser would actually attack was low. The CIA assessed that Israel had overwhelming superiority in force of arms, and would, in the event of a war, defeat the Arab forces within two weeks; within a week if Israel attacked first, which is what actually occurred.
It must be kept in mind that Egypt had been the victim of aggression by the British, French, and Israelis in the 1956 “Suez Crisis”, following Egypt’s nationalization of the Suez Canal. In that war, the three aggressor nations conspired to wage war upon Egypt, which resulted in an Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula. Under U.S. pressure, Israel withdrew from the Sinai in 1957, but Egypt had not forgotten the Israeli aggression.
Moreover, Egypt had formed a loose alliance with Syria and Jordan, with each pledging to come to the aid of the others in the event of a war with Israel. Jordan had criticized Nasser for not living up to that pledge after the Israeli attack on West Bank village of Samu the year before, and his rhetoric was a transparent attempt to regain face in the Arab world.
That Nasser’s positioning was defensive, rather than projecting an intention to wage an offensive against Israel, was well recognized among prominent Israelis. As Avraham Sela of the Shalem Center has observed, “The Egyptian buildup in Sinai lacked a clear offensive plan, and Nasser’s defensive instructions explicitly assumed an Israeli first strike.”
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin acknowledged that “In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
Yitzhak Rabin, who would also later become Prime Minister of Israel, admitted in 1968 that “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.”
Israelis have also acknowledged that their own rhetoric at the time about the “threat” of “annihilation” from the Arab states was pure propaganda.
General Chaim Herzog, commanding general and first military governor of the occupied West Bank following the war, admitted that “There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger.”
General Ezer Weizman similarly said, “There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting.”
Chief of Staff Haim Bar-Lev acknowledged, “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Day War, and we had never thought of such possibility.”
Israeli Minister of Housing Mordechai Bentov has also acknowledged that “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
In 1973, in what Israelis call the “Yom Kippur War”, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise offensive to retake the Sinai and the Golan Heights, respectively. This joint action is popularly described in contemporaneous accounts as an “invasion” of or act of “aggression” against Israel.
Yet, as already noted, following the June ’67 war, the U.N. Security Council passed resolution 242 calling upon Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. Israel, needless to say, refused to do so and has remained in perpetual violation of international law ever since.
During the 1973 war, Egypt and Syria thus “invaded” their own territory, then under illegal occupation by Israel. The corollary of the description of this war as an act of Arab aggression implicitly assumes that the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza Strip were Israeli territory. This is, needless to say, a grossly false assumption that demonstrates the absolutely prejudicial and biased nature of mainstream commentary when it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict.
This false narrative fits in with the larger overall narrative, equally fallacious, of Israeli as the “victim” of Arab intransigence and aggression. This narrative, largely unquestioned in the West, flips reality on its head.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
Zionists/Jews have incredible power - wildly, insanely disproportionate - in the US, UK, France, Australia and elsewhere. They are able to largely control the narrative.
I am not so much pro-Palestinian as anti-bullshit and anti-warmonger.
The more you dig, the more you find out how much the "story of Israel" is absolute bullshit.
Apart from Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" Norman Finkelstein's "Beyond Chutzpah" - one of the most meticulously footnotes non-scientific books I've ever read, is basically a direct take down of Zionist lies such as, most of all, those represented in "From Time Immemorial"
This isn't unique to Zionists. The British were masters of propaganda, too.
Hezbollah are not jihadists, neither are they terrorists. They were created as resistance to Israeli aggression into Lebanon. They fight in Syria because they have strong interests in keeping their supply lines open to Iran through Syria which has always been their ally.
Funny how everybody is changing tack : France has just launched an attack in Syria to join the Daesh bash party.
Uptil now France was aligned wiht Nettyahoo : Neither Assad nor Daesh. As it wanted Assad to fall first. It just bombed Iraq to support the Kurds.
Now that Assad is "secured" by Putin, France sings "I want in" into Daesh bashing along with the Iranians and Putin. That way they get a place at negotiating table on Syria rebuild and Iran rebuild.
Hollande doesn't want to miss those new $$ parties. Our polticians never act on Principle but on where their interests lie (and those of the MIC and Contractor Oligarchs).
France is a sinking ship, controlled by the US and Jewish lobbies, flooded with millions of immigrants who couldn't care less about their "values" - it is a second world country trying desperately to stay relevant and remind us of its past glory.
France is Jenny McCarthy.
well there seems to be a lot of them floating on the fiat polluted oceans.
Second world and UN veto.
France has hot women and good food. And I would still have sex with Jenny McCarthy. So maybe it's not all bad.
Good food, yes. But the women need to shave their arm pits before I go any further. Also, those hairy nipples are kinda gross.
France has that problem never to have won a war.
And the problem to be looked at as cowards against any real army.
And the problem that Syrian airspace will be closed next week.
So they did their brave attack.
I don't disagree with you, Falak, but they will have to get in line behind Russia and China for any crumbs from re-conctructing Syria. I bet Putin is not so happy to share with them, as I am certain he has not forgotten being screwed by France on that little boat deal that went south.
http://www.comedonchisciotte.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=...
So I assume that the recent panic attack that ripped through ISIS ranks was initiated by rumours that the Russians and Chinese were on their way, and they aren't going to be playing nice like the Americans. At least the Russians and Chinese still have some honor.
The Chechen jihadists are mean vicious fighters. They had their ass handed to them by the Russians.
That's putting it mildly!
Yeah, it's no longer 'death to America', it's 'death of America'.
Karma is a bitch, get used to it.
This is the USA's "Suez" moment.
Maybe ISIS will disband and disappear until the threat goes away. Maybe.
Or move to Germany. Free housing, free wifi and some pocket money.
And free transport to get that in several of our countries.
I always have to laugh when your nigga President is giving a speech. Usually ONE USA flag won't suffice , they need about 20 of them. Just like those Nazi meetings used to have with shitloads of Swastikas.
In fact, seeing the Stars and Stripes nauseates me , I consider it the new Swastika.
And that national anthem is an horrible piece of music.
My Country tis of thee, sweet land of lunacy.
<-- Stars 'n Stripes is the New Swastika
<-- Star of David is the New Swastika
The total contingent at the end will be about 200 million troops, give or take..................
The total contingent at the end will be about 200 million troops, give or take.......
Well, let us ponder what this all means: 1. Either the House of Saud is finished, or it dumps the dollar, accepts the Yuan for oil and kicks the US out of the country. 2. Israel is on borrowed time. If it weren't for the Nuke's that they stole from us {Thank you Jonathan Pollard}, they would be in REAL, IMMEDIATE DANGER. The US$ truly is toast now, only a matter of days or weeks at the most. Once the link to Saudi oil is severed, it's left exposed for the bankrupt currency that it is. Next week should be interesting. The Kenyan is a very dangerous man now. He has painted himself into a corner and could do wreckless things in a last ditch effort to save the hopeless position he finds himself in. I haven't been this concerned about nukes in a very long time.
The psychopath neocons and ZioNazi Israeli psychopaths (one and the same) are the real threat and always have been,
Israel uses deception (false flag attacks) to grab more land for their beloved GREATER ISRAEL. (Lebensraum)
Israel is actually WORSE than Nazi Germany ever was.
Nazi Germany didn't intentionally target hospitals and women and children lke the Israelis do.
Fuck Israhell. those Jews will NEVER be satisfied with the land given them in 1948. Give those kikes an inch and they will take a mile.
They were behind 911 and many other false flag attacks
Why the USA or anyone supports them is beyond me.
They are a bunch of racist, thieving, lying, exploitative deceivers and psychopaths who believe they are ''chosen'' by some Guy in the Sky and by virtue of some book, THEY THEMSELVES WROTE!!!!!!
Notice that most Israelis are in fact atheists but only cite the Buybull when it suits their purposes.
They are AMORAL SCUM. Alway have been and THAT is why they have been hated THROUGHOUT history.
Its time to put them down.
There. Fixed it for you! Everything else is on target.
+1
Ease up or you'll find yourself sharing a cell with Francis Sawyer, Tony Wilson and Monty Burns. Come to think of it, that'd be an interesting experience!
I miss Tony Wilson.
I hope he is not in trouble.
Alfred has been booted many times.
Tony is here as are many.
Some don't come back though like Francis and fonzanoon.
Mohammed expose your real name
anti semitic coward!
There is a war betweenShiites and Sunis that has nothing to do with israel nor the Jews! but u r a pathetic anti semitic...
keep on hating jews it will make us stronger!
Allah hua Acbar!
Oh really? How many Sunni's and Shiites do we have scattered through the MIC, the State Department, Department of Defense and various Intelligence Agencies, the Congress and Congressional aides, Washington Think Tanks, the Supreme Court, the Federal Reserve and other Central Banks, throughout Wall Street, and on and on?
How many dual citizen Muslims infesting the government like cockroaches?
It is not a hatred of "the Jews", but of a special kind of Jew - a Zionist, and my guess is, you would be in that group.
you are not a semite jews are not really semitic look in the mirror and see the slap of reality wannabe jew
The Sunni/Shia rift we see today was a mild ember which was fanned like crazy by the Zionazis with help from the Saudi Wahhabi.
Read up about the Ayatollah Khomeni - he wanted to unite Islam (which of course would not be good news for Israel). The Zionazis are terrified that Iran will take the mantle of leadership of the Islam world, which The Saudis today assume they have a exclusive rights thanks to all their control of oil. Problem is the Saudis are starting to overdraft their funds as <$100 oil is a real bitch when you have to bribe so many. Yemen is costing them a fortune and the propects there are not good for the house of Saud.
Iran certainly has the moral high ground against the Saudis - the whole bit recently with Iran criticism against SA in taking care of the Islamic pilgrims (allowing so many to get trampled to death) goes right at the heart of the moral leadership matter...
I admire your grasp of the situation! You are very correct.
you didn't build that
he stole it
TNW's. Our church has acquired 3 of them with a 10-20 ton yield. But our purpose is to target 'certain' groups if they continue to try to steal our farmland and retail cottage industry.
But on the battlefield they are use as provocative escalation tools to see if you have the balls to drop some kilotonage on us.
" If it weren't for the Nuke's that they stole from us..." and sold on the America's enemies at the time.
ObsoleteMan, Real&Immediate danger, I really dont think so.
They have 2 heavy divisions, with assorted artillery and plenty of air assets, courtesy of US taxpayers.
And if needed they could probably mobilise another 10-20 light infantry divisions, backed by theater wmd's , certainly gas ad probably small nukes.
I dont know if you have watched their attack on the Syrian missile farm, I frankly dont know what they have used, as the explosion looked really like a tactical nuke.Probably wasnt, perhaps some huge FAE cannister, but the effect was apocalyptic.
Anyways , I digress.
The fact is that there's nothing in the region that can threaten them short-term.
Long term of course, is an entirely different affair.
Bye bye American empire. I always thought we were better off as an anti-colonialist republic, though we haven't been that for a very long time. What will we be now?
A banana republic?
Yeah those ChristoZionists did their part to implode the USA.
Funny they are going to hell for it with their Jews.
Alone together in the burning lake, the jews will steal their floaties.
Big Deal - Not! The only meaningful question is which country will be sending home body bags of their brave young men. Not us. - good; can't get any better than that.
People who invade other countries are not BRAVE YOUNG MEN. they are SCUM
Careful Alfred you might upset the
U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A ... crowd...
..and then they'll piss in their Caitlin knickers and call you out about how many nukes they've got.
Maybe hey'll threaten to shoot you with their big guns (Read: small penis)
Haha, pathetic little fucks....
No, Terrible said she had chili to cook today and ball throwing to watch.
Iraq never invited the USA to invade them,
Syria has invited their ally Russia to help them. They have been partners for over 50 years
Big difference
If Russians die, they will be BRAVE YOUNG MEN.
Americans who died in Iraq, deserved it. and all the nasty karma they get if they survived.
Don't know if I agree with you on that one. 18 years old is an impressionable age.
.gov sees the need to exploit that.
That's my point.
"Americans who died in Iraq, deserved it. "
I've spoken to a few of these young guys and they're naive, not evil.
Will the ISIS guys get sent to Andrews?
but...but...but the U.S has got 10 million nukes and 500 thousand aircraft cariers and 3 trillion hardcore marines and no-body can beat us...but...but...but..
Fuck YOU U.S.A.
you're finished, you pieces of filth neo-con, Hitlary lovin, Sticky Vicky suckin, Biden blowjobbing cunts...
Night night assholes.
Go and suck on Mccains little pencil dick and suck on Caitlin's plastic clit you little homo faggots...
LOL your are too kind.
Most of those Jarheads can't count to 21 without taking off their shoes and trousers and can't survive without an AAFES outlet, or cookies from MOMMY and a USO.
For those that are interested:
Video of Su-25 Rooks (aka frogfoot) in action, check damage at 1:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaTEDYJmi0
MiG 29 OBT demo flight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll7TSx_MQgE
MiG T-50 flight. Unlike the F-35, it can actually fire missiles (nice popup shot at 2:45 the missile launch at 2:55)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CihdKpVNrA
Those MiGs sure look fine.
USA builds crap with lots of needless systems that break a lot. Having been around Russian aircraft, they build an aircraft with the essentials and far superiour.
You can't be serious. US aircraft from 2 generations ago run rings around MIGs. The US would have air superiority anytime it wants. You may hate the foreign policy, but let's not be ridiculous
Wrong, evidently you don't know much about Aviation. I am Ex USAF and EX American and retired flight engineer who has beeen around Russian aircraft.
Russian aircraft have always been designed to operate from unpaved airstrips. Even fighters like the MiG-25 or the MiG-29 have (relatively) low-pressure tires which allow their operation from unprepared airstrips. The MiG-29 can close its air intakes to prevent foreign object damage, taking air from above the main intakes. The simple MiG 15 had a higher ceiling the the F-86. It was designed for intercepting bombers but still faired well in air to air with an experienced pilot.
Trader you have been watching too many Re runs of Top Gun.
Lots of HYPE in USA aviation.
Just like the Kalashnikov v the M16.
The million dollar a shot Tomohawk vs the just good enough Iskander to keep cost to a minimum. Missle of the 21 century and was well though out.
Able to track mulitple targets, about 6 I think. can be reprogramed in flight, 500km range, double barreled, mobile and can drop decoys but most of all It hauls ass so fast it cuts down reaction time and I don;t know offhand what could catch up to it, once launched its almost unstoppable. And, it does not cost an arm and a leg and the whole program was designed around holding cost down to be cheap, effective and reliable.
You tell me what is going to stop this? an aircraft carrier? patriot battery? enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zCzPzCiCE
Same with their planes, tanks, chepo tank penetrator RPG round, manpad and yes even the world famous AK.
Take the candy wrapper off of war and it becomes nothing more than a game of attrition, Meaning Im going to blow your toys up until you run out of money, blow them up faster than you can build them or blow your crap up until you dont have enough to defend yourself and I am standing in your capital.
I always though this strategy of just good enough without the fancy dancy bells and whistles was the beauty and the advantage of the Russian strategy. They have like 12 freaking time zones to grind you down with relatively inexpensive armaments until your spent then you get your assed kicked all the way back to where the seahorse brought you from.
Tough team to beat. but Impossible with 50million dollar f-35s and million dollar cruise missles. The US baffoons are beat at this most basic strategy level before it even starts.The US don't have the money nor the will to face that blood and guts fight, US needs to STFU and go home.
The T-50 still has a few years till initial operational, but it is a beauty. Remember what a shock the MiG 15 was to us over Korea, and the same shock the Jajpanese Zero caused.
Or the shock of the T34 to Gudarian and the German high command in Operation Barbarossa...
Russia and China in Syria? Honestly, I don't think I care. How exactly is this a bad thing?
I'm getting to like that picture of Vlad with the popcorn. It's happening so much lately.
They're crazy. Those convoys of Toyotas are so strong they'll be sitting in Moscow and Beijing in a week.
Will we see Mr. Yellen in a new printed one?
That those convoys of Toyotas could easily have been taken out by the USAF and/or drones proves that the US never intended to destroy ISIL.
Bingo, they paraded around in broad daylight . How hard is it to use SAT images to pinpoint the coordinates and hit them with a bunch of cruise missiles?
NOT HARD AT ALL.
That half Jew bastard Cameron just said on the news '' Assad can stay for now''.
What the fuck does the UK have to do with what the Syrian people want?
Now you know why the USA/UK/Israel are world renowned as the real AXIS of EVIL
you retarded Neo Nazi anti semitic !
What does this has to do with Jews?
Pround Anti Zionst here. You can fuck off now. Jews make Nazi Germans look like choir boys
Ashkenazis make NAZI Germans look good.
FIFY.
Palestinians are SEMITES you fucking moron.
Jews don't have a drop of semitic blood in them.
Your anti semite bullshit won't work anymore.
You Jew bastards are WORSE than Nazis. MUCH WORSE.
You hate yourself so much - your soul is damaged...
Its not your fault you didnt recieve affection and love when you were young...
I will pray for your salvation....
you brainwashed stupid retard gay pussy !
basically all whats happening in this world is controlled by jews
every major movement and agenda and war
controlled opposition included, no matter how big it is
its starts with the money, goes over cooperations and reaches your stupid gay children in school and on tv
please go convert to islam and blow up yourself in a desert or go play pokemon with your retard family
what is your definition of semite?
The game is over...FULL STOP!
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2015/09/have-the-useless-thinkers...
POLITICAL FUNDING PROBLEMS
TRAPPED IN VICIOUS SPIRALS:
I did NOT agree with the relatively optimistic conclusion of that article you linked, Noplebian, since I do NOT believe that the New World Order agenda will finally be successful, but rather will destroy itself too, along with everything else, regarding the otherwise promising potential of technologically based civilization.
I did agree with the assertions regarding the practical political impossibilities of overcoming the VICIOUS SPIRAL OF POLITICAL FUNDING in order to do anything effect to prevent the psychotic psychopaths who are dominating civilization from attempting to consolidate their globalized systems. HOWEVER, I do not believe that the agenda of those psychotic psychopaths will end up working, rather than becoming madly self-destructive, while dragging down almost everyone else at the same time.
Moreover, it continues to be the case that NONE of the currently dominate sociopolitical systems are even remotely close to the human species adapting to developing technologies which are trillions of times more powerful than anything that previously existed in known human history. The essential problem is that progress in physical science, enabling the industrial revolutions, have enabled there to now be globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. Adding more of Russian and Chinese military power into the Middle East does nothing to change that ALL those sociopolitical systems are based upon social pyramid systems, which developed through thousands of years of being able to successfully back up deceits with destruction, or enforce frauds.
The basic problems are now that human nature is NOT adapted to the powers developed by the progress in physical science and the industrial revolutions. All of the social successfulness based upon being able to back up lies with violence has been amplified in ways whereby that kind of triumphant organized crime has become runaway criminal insanities. The ruling classes that used to be able to control the world have lost control. There are NO other groups of human beings who are even remotely close to being able to regain control. So far, there continues to be NOTHING that is yet socially significant that can resolve how to operate the human murder systems after the development of weapons of mass destruction. Rather, the MAD Money As Debt, backed by the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems are becoming MADDER.
The apparent agenda to develop any New World Order based upon the Old World Order of enforcing frauds is primarily that of psychotic psychopaths, whose previous successes are NOT headed towards future success, but rather, towards collective suicides, and the failure of science and a technologically based civilization to be able to survive, much less thrive. Human beings should develop better death control systems, but as monkeys and apes, they are stuck inside of their old-fashioned attitudes based upon the previous social successfulness of being able to back up lies with violence. The industrialization of ENFORCED FRAUDS appears to become a relative brief period of history, before the longer term consequences of those runaway criminal insanities destroy themselves!
The U.S. thought its actions these last 50 years were a Pollock masterpiece on the face of the earth. They're not - they're slime trails. The illusion is finally starting to fade and, love him or hate him, VVP is a big part of that.
The mother****ing emperor has no clothes. I now wait for that " point and laugh " moment.
So how long until Assad accidentally gasses some Russian and Chinese troops?
With the chemical weapons that were destroyed with Russian/UN assistance? That would be a nice trick. Maybe he will drop 'barrel bombs' on them instead using his brand new Russian-supplied aircraft.
America likes to bomb wedding parties and their drones seem able to hit anyone worldwide EXCEPT the ISIS who parades aroud in broad daylight wearing white shoes and driving Toyotas.
I bet if you took some of those masks off of ISIS you would find Blackwater/XE types.
Interestingly, from recent YouTube videos, it seems that ISIS have finally twigged that bright white Toyotas are not a good idea when there is the possibility of real military opposition (as opposed to the US fake opposition). They now seem to be sand-colored. They also look increasingly worn out.
Let see Team Obama help fuck up Egypt, and Libya are they surprised that the Russian and Chinese are against it? For fucks sake.
Team Obmana worst foeign policy in the history of the world.
Why would the US join? The big US and EU scheme for pipelines is o-v-e-r. Game, set, match.
Its a lot more than about pipelines.
Bob, it's foolish to think this is over.
I like to see Russians also take back the Golan Heights from the Israeli THIEVES and then tell Netanyahu, if you feel froggy JUMP.
Cameron the pig fancier seeks sow with good dental hygene to take his mind away from the hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocents he has helped to cause in the middle east and libya.
Feed him to the pigs and charge admission. You could make a mint
The British should be informed which hand it is safe to shake should they ever have the 'honor' of meeting Cameron.