I wasn't there. But the photos don't look photoshopped to me.
This is a subject I would not like to argue.
If you don't believe it, well, good for you. I doubt I'd change your mind.
Do the math. Germany was tight for fuel. No way there was enough for the numbers we are supposed to believe.
Churchill was responsible for the deaths of more Indians than Hitler was of Jews, even if you believe the numbers, but the victor writes the history books.
I try to base my opinions on information that I have carefully researched than that jammed down my throat by people with vested interests.
Many died and the photos you refer to are likely genune, but something to consider is that a photograph doesn't show cause of death.
2 older men in the town i grew up in were a corporal and a pfc in the 3rd army and they told our sundayschool class about it years before there was much media coverage probably about 1963. both of them were. from what i've been told, mentally affected by what they saw and experienced, and were like completely different people when they returned home from the war, i knew one of them very well and he seldom spoke to anyone except for a few simple words. i don't know about the numbers, but i do know that they saw 10;s of thousands of bodies piled up. and a very few survivors. they also were extremely religious, but never showed it but in the way they lived their lives and their church attendance.
Sad that some of the largest corporations in the world continue to operate as going concerns while continuing to profit from the death and destruction of human life?
Well, obviously, VW forgot to pay off the right people .... I mean, nobody DIED from these emission "cheats" (irregardless of any ridiculous eco-nazi fantasies) - whereas GM's faulty ignition switch (which they knew about - and a fix would have been a couple bucks per car) caused the death of ~100 people. Strange how this "revelation" and subsequent "fine" coincides with VW's recent plans to spend $22 billion developing electric cars with the Chinese. I think that had a lot more to do with this whole media circus than it does any serious concerns with "emissions" or "safety." The regulatory agencies are thug agencies - nothing more - they don't give a flying fuck about the safety or health of anyone except themselves.
A good garroting from behind whilst dear busy-body was doing their best, in service to Neo-Bolshevism would have been more my speed, but you sir, are a gentleman --
There's someone on my block who is exactly like this asshat.
I drive a large ford pickup truck in a somewhat street-parking-impaired area. I like my car. I don't want a tiny commuter coffin. Well, on the street I live on, the distance between driveways is variable and in some places where there might be room for 2 small cars... if I park in that spot I'm the only one who can fit there.
There's a woman on my street who has decided that I'm an asshole if I ever do this. At first she left me a note, explaining that my truck was "VERY LARGE" and that I should be considerate of other people where I park on public streets. I laughed and dropped her note in the gutter. I'm fairly certain she saw me do this.
I kept parking in those spots, about 3 weeks later, someone decided to dump a fully used cat-litter box into the bed of my truck for parking in that spot. I never washed it out. I let it sit there, as a reminder to that asshat just what an asshat they are. Eventually the rains washed it all out and there was no longer any semblance of message.
A week or two ago, someone again decided that a disgusting and smashed burger king burger needed to fly it's way up onto the top of my windshield.
Yes, this is the level of adulthood we have in this country. It never occurred to this cunt that most of the time when I'm searching for parking, I see two smaller cars that are too close together to let me park between them, forcing me to park blocks away and walk home. It never occured to her that I'm actually quite lucky when I can find a spot on my own street, nope... to her all that matters is that she was inconvenienced and I was an easy target.
shhhhhh...geez man....don't give the psychos anymore fucked up idears...next thing you know we'll all have rainbow colored bitch-out letters on our lawn mowers from assholes like this and after that you know it'll all be taxed, fined, regulated, quintupled in price, and then made illegal all together by these motherfuckers.
The lawnmowers in Cali equipped with clean air standard motors run like shit. Many of us went to Arizona and smuggled in a decent one. It's fun to go through the border checkpoint. No officer there is no fruit in that big box. Lucky for us the drought made us give up a lawn long ago.
Get yourseself a couple of game cameras and strap them on the inside of the truck, looking out the windows. (be covert if needed and disquise them by placing under a hat on the dash, etc). There's a good chance you will catch them in the act. Then you can have some fun once you know for sure who they are.
I was thinking of doing this, and the thought was to catch them in the act multiple times. Then post all the videos to youtube and leave notes on the cars of everyone on the block pointing them to the URL... effectively letting them know there's a bitch in town.
I need one for all the asshat neighbors who allow their dogs to shit in my yard. Could i claim castle doctrine and kill the damn things like the police do, or would i get a lesson in PC authority?
The poor dog is just doing what a dog needs to do after being trapped inside of a house for 23hrs 47 min a day. Feel free to shoot the owners of said dogs though ....
do the covert camera thing and find out who it is, then when the time is right. park your truck about 4 inches off her bumper and trap her in till she beggs you and apologizes.
I put a note similar to that on a guys truck at work that had an AR15 sticker on his rear window. Said something to the effect that he supports murder, etc. Man was he pissed and we all got a good laugh out of it.
ZDRux: "It's sad what our country has been reduced to."
Looking at it from a different paradigm... Is someone burning to give it to Germany and its economy?
Consider:
- They don't get their gold back from the US/Fed,
they get spied on
-They have tens of thousands of US troops at many bases in Germany
- They get inundated with non-Christian, non-European refugees
- They get a dozen advanced nuclear weapons (WMDs) delivered for storage against "enemies to the East",
- They ask "How high" whenever their US masters say "Jump!"
And they STILL get piled on? It appears that someone does not like or respect Germany, no matter what they do or allow to be done to them. Or are they not letting in Refugees fast enough, and they are being disciplined?
The VW corpratists not withstanding, this azzhoe note no doubt created by a your run of the mill typically mean spirited, nasty, & disrespectful progressive liberal ignore the facts because I know how to run your life better than you do democrap. I am fukn tired of all of those miedras crammin their bullshit agenda on the rest of US citizen citizen tax payers. Fukem all.
I live in the 503 and my 3rd car is a Hummer. I get notes all the time. East Portland is aost a different country. It resembles Bernie Sandersville right now.
I live in the 503 and my 3rd car is a Hummer. I get notes all the time. East Portland is aost a different country. It resembles Bernie Sandersville right now.
What a douchy, smug, passive-aggressive note. Very Portland; wouldn't be unusual in SF or Seattle either. I'm sure the author drives a Pious, er, Prius.
The libtard likes the 15 mpg SUV better than the 40 mpg. Keep sending billions every month to the mid east so they have more money to kill us. Fucking moron.
Good point. The note could very easily have been handwritten, rather than ink jet-printed (the carbon footprint of which is surely enormous), on environmentally friendly, organically grown, sustainably harvested hemp paper, rather than killing one of Mother's precious children of the forest.
VW cheated the GOVERNMENT...not you...they gave you higher gas mileage and great power while simultaneously giving the Government regulators a big FUCK YOU."
PS> The Nazi's also invented jet and rocket engines...and a whole host of other "things" that changed the world...FOR THE BETTER!
And the Nazis invented 45 mpg cars. Dependence on foreign oil? Solved. No wait, they're Nazis, no can do. Keep sending billions every months to the Saudis. Fucking idiot.
Just like the "Financial Regulators", the "EPA Regulators" were told to "backoff" during the Bush years!
It's very difficult for a President to change Federal Laws; but it's very easy to scale back, and even prevent, the enforcement of those laws.
VW knew it could get away with cheating, so it did...short term gain, long term pain...hmm...looks like, absent government regulators, VW didn't do what was in it's "long term" best interest...didn't see that coming...
Obama isn't a housemember dumbshit; he's the President...He's the GUY THAT SIGNS OFF ON WHAT THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE SETS ON HIS DESK!
You know, stuff like Deficit Spending, ObamaCare funding and EPA budget cuts...yeah dipshit, the Housemenbers write those checks...Obama just signs them.
No, they will "probe your ditch" and fine the fuck out of you if there is a problem. What it does mean, is that mega corp up the road from your house can "rest assured" the EPA won't look too hard at their polution output.
A point to note.. if the 'cheat' mode allows the vehicle to run clean so it passes the test - why can't it run that way all the time??
Clearly it can't. Either power suffers or engine lifespan suffers or another factor.
So when the software is 'tweaked' to make the vehicle comply - will your vehicle have the same horsepower? will it last as long? will it be as reliable??
So when they recall your VW - think if you have the same specification you purchased when they've reprogrammed it.
I have a 2004 Audi A4 with a gas 1.8 turbo my daughter drives.
Back when I drove the car, I had an APR ECU flash performed which gave the car 45 more HP with the caveat that I supply it 93 octane vs the standard 91 octane (along with a larger diverter valve).
Do you think the thousands of APR customers (along with REVO, JHM, etc) give a shit about the additional emmissions from their upgrades?
There are like, maybe, 3 Ford Diesels on the road that are not chipped.
I have one. I'm just too cheap.
Being a Master Mechanic, I know, when you tweak the program , you can get almost anything you want. But something has to give.
I had a sign in my shop;
We do three kinds of work,
1) Good
2) Fast
3) Cheap
Pick 2.
I would guess that it will have a lot less power and the millage will suffer. Kind of like a late 70's early 80's smogged to death American V-6 or V-8 lol.
The American requirements have always been partly idealistic and partly idiotic. In the seventies, British cars exported to the US regularly had about 40% less power and were stifled and unyielding disasters, producing less power yet using more petrol and looking absolutely stupid with big rubber bumpers almost at window height, yet somehow living up to the clean air regulations at that time.
I look forward to see all the disappointed VW owners after a mandatory visit at the dealer, where the engine is going to loose power and reliability, to be able to comply with the exhaust emission standards.
I think many will sell when they realize the joke is on them!
I'm certain the dealers will find they are subject to a catastrophic lack of service business because no one I know who owns a TDI is EVER going anywhere near a VW dealer for service ever again. As I told another clown, I didn't buy my TDI because of its "clean and green" attributes, I bought it because the engine as currently tuned has unbeatable performance and mpg. The EPA can suck my emissions, which will probably continue on this car for another 200k miles.
And that is why personal freedoms MUST be eliminated. You are ignoring the good of the collective. And get rid of those fucking guns too, they are a threat to our peaceful nation and world!
Well, sure, but I thought we were talking current events and car companies. How about this; Stalin killed morethan any presidents, no slap on the wrist. Or the bubonic plague killed more than Stalin and was never prosecuted.. or....
I drive a 2002 Jetta TDI with 184,000 miles on it and not so much as a hiccup as long as normal maintenance is done. It's probably going to be more valuable now that the new TDI's are being eschewed. Also, if some confused hippie puts one of those flyers on my car I will be reminding them that my car was made before the model years affected....right after I beat them unconscious.
I am prepared for 100's of down votes, I am Ford F-150 driving libertarian (but inching closer to anarchism) who lives in Portland. Yes we are full of progressive, entitled fucks and the person who put this on windshield is in all probability is a worthless piece of shit.
I gotta say i am surprised how pissed you are all for someone who made his opinion known (yes he is pussy for not doing it face to face). It just amazes me how inconsistent people are with their beliefs. So in the future we all know things are going to go to hell maybe just maybe when the shit hits the fan commonsense makes its way through the garbage pile that is government and at some point we do get people who believe in limited government sitting in the seats.
Question to all of you will it just be limited to what your wants and needs are or will you be consistent and truly want a free society where people can tell other people what they think of them without fear of government intervention or a shitload of down votes.
Progressives ALWAYS express their ideals loudly AND publicly. It is when those ideas are opposed, even in private conversations, that those doing so are attacked. Sure we all understand the concept of free speech, but we also understand that turnabout is fair play. Besides, there is no one here that believes that this progressive "free speech" is idle expression. It is a precursor, a warning and symptom of the direction we are being pushed. That if we drive the wrong car, or have the wrong bumper sticker, or make any public display of non progressive actions or beliefs, WE WILL BE ATTACKED. The simple fact that this person owned a VW, obviously purchased before any of this comes to light, clearly demonstrates this progressive attack mode...and do not think they are not serious about it. The world is becoming increasing radicalized and the progressives will push every extremist button they can find in an attempt to intimidate people into silence and submission. I'm sure they are convinced at this very moment that the debate is over. There has been a push back against diesels, regardless of their proven performance or cleanliness, as a symbol of everything wrong with carbon fuels. The early years of soot hang like a cloud over this issue and there will be no pacifying them. Progressives are about causes and symbols of those causes, so it is no surprise that diesel has been held to a far higher standard than gasoline ever was. There is a reason why no one has been making diesels for passenger cars in this country for the last thirty years. It is because the left didn't want them...no matter what. They are a symbol.
FFS. Nobody's calling for a ban on hippie speech. We're all just pointing out the absurdity of it. You act as if nobody should be allowed to criticize others' opinions.
Hey all for criticizing just surprised how pissed everyone is I recommend you have a good laugh, this person probably will be one of the first to be ass raped when the re-set happens. When you live in Portland kinda like having a circus all around you lots of fun and interesting sights best thing is to just enjoy them and watch from safe distance
Hey all for criticizing just surprised how pissed everyone is I recommend you have a good laugh, this person probably will be one of the first to be ass raped when the re-set happens. When you live in Portland kinda like having a circus all around you lots of fun and interesting sights best thing is to just enjoy them and watch from safe distance
We ALL know, today it's a letter. Tomorrow , it's slashed tires, smashed windshield, or a can of spray paint.
This asshole needs to be taught. At least we are venting on the net!
good point. But I'm confused. I've owned a TDI for 10 years now, and many times have been called a 'liberal fag', a lesser man because "I drive a car' or "why don't you have a truck real men drive trucks" or been told that my car is a liberal faggotmobile.
Now the liberal faggots are attacking my liberal faggotmobile? What the actual FUCK?
Here I thought getting 50 mpg was good for the planet? Better than 20 MPG.
NO. Now the libfags say we should be driving Suburbans?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Suburbans are green. High mileage TDIS are bad.
The German government literally owns 20% of the company! How is that government motors thing workin' out for ya? I'm always amused how ZH people blindly follow certain companies and shit on almost all others. VW's haven't been good quality cars in years.
has nothing to do with a VW engine plant in Russia, and everything to do with sending a political message loud and clear to Mutti and the German automobile industry.
Because all of us obey every single law all the time.
Just how would .gov detect said cheat? With their emissions tester that the car's ECU detects?
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Anybody who's owned a TDI appreciates the efficiency, torque, smoothness, and longevity of a diesel engine as compared to a gasonline engine. VWs gasoline powered offerings are sub par.
The TDI is their engineering triumph, and a big FUCk YOU to mamagov.
Yeah there probably would be some money there. But I'm pretty sure the guy gets busted and spends 10 days doing community service because he tried to smog chipped used car is going to come after you with a baseball bat. Just so you're prepared.
You mean like the stock TDIs in the rest of the world that don't have all of our bullshit safety requirements that add hundreds of pounds of useless weight to the car?
Why can't we decide if we would rather drive an ultralight or a tank?
no, the busybody liberal dogooders (like the asswipe that left this note -- probably faked by the TDI owner himself -- fucking attention whoring bitch) know best.
When do they come for the motorcycles? No seatbelts, no side impact beams, oh my !
Is that right then I wonder if the place will soon be crawling with pre-owned nearly-new VW diesel products! Lucky Ohio now you can have the same air quality as Los Angeles!
Quantity matters more that quality with emissions. They don't account for that.
They test for % or ppm. The better the mpg, no matter what comes out the tailpipe, it's cleaner. BY. VOLUME!
This is bullshit. The Germans knew it was bullshit. And created code to adjust for the bullshit.
And probably drove their entire company into receivership! Wow great way to protect shareholder value; cook up a scheme to temporarily enrich the C-level management, fist the risk onto consumers, and skip town when the lawyers show up!! Hot damn howdy that's some kind of hot-blooded capitalism that is let me tell you Bob!
Ohio isnt stuck in a valley full of smug assholes smelling their own farts. We have plenty of clean air, fertile soil and natural resources including clean surface and groundwater. In fact, SW Ohio site on one of the best buried valley aquifers in the country. The water may be a bit hard, but it's not full of iron and shitty smelling sulphur like the water out west. Our reservoirs are also at peak capacity unlike that fucked up state you mentioned.
Dont worry. We might just sell you whackos some drinking water once you get your heads out of your ass and quit selling off your most valuable resource to Nestle.
BTW, did you wake up on the sanctimonious side of your cave today?
Then maybe Ohio is a good place for these things to go to die.
But I wouldn't be so quick to discount the potential for trouble.
And no my cave is fine. I'm just really pissed in general about how corporations get away with murder (GM, Toyota) and lying (VW et al.), when a high school kid with 2 oz of pot on him gets sent to prison for 10 years. Burns me up. I just wish all these sociopathic fucks would die. Go broke, lose everything, live under a bridge, buy their dope $10 at a time from a high school kid, and then die of exposure. But they won't so I'm pissed.
And then these ZH pukes. Always going on about corporate fascism, "gold manipulation" end quote, and the take over of governance etc etc, but when a fucking diesel engine is under the microscope they totally lose their shit.
Well excuse me you two-faced pieces of crap. Either it's always wrong or it always isn't. Either lying is wonderful and your gold problems are funny, or it's all wrong and needs to stop.
I wasn't there. But the photos don't look photoshopped to me.
This is a subject I would not like to argue.
If you don't believe it, well, good for you. I doubt I'd change your mind.
Just a question...
How much fuel does it take to cremate a body.
Do the math. Germany was tight for fuel. No way there was enough for the numbers we are supposed to believe.
Churchill was responsible for the deaths of more Indians than Hitler was of Jews, even if you believe the numbers, but the victor writes the history books.
I try to base my opinions on information that I have carefully researched than that jammed down my throat by people with vested interests.
Many died and the photos you refer to are likely genune, but something to consider is that a photograph doesn't show cause of death.
Always keep an open mind.
2 older men in the town i grew up in were a corporal and a pfc in the 3rd army and they told our sundayschool class about it years before there was much media coverage probably about 1963. both of them were. from what i've been told, mentally affected by what they saw and experienced, and were like completely different people when they returned home from the war, i knew one of them very well and he seldom spoke to anyone except for a few simple words. i don't know about the numbers, but i do know that they saw 10;s of thousands of bodies piled up. and a very few survivors. they also were extremely religious, but never showed it but in the way they lived their lives and their church attendance.
yeah, fuck one goat, and thenceforth your known as michael the goatfucker
Tesla and that pesky patent system...
Stop beating on the Germans.
African's brought: disease and low IQs
Indian's brought: filth and stink.
Give me more. I'm on a roll tonight.
NONSENSE - Read some real history before making a fool of yourself.
Englishman Frank Whittle invented a jet engine completely on his own. ... Hans von Ohain of Germany was the designer of the first operational jet
Why should anyone read some real history before maing a fool of themselves. Much easier to do it ex tempore.
History? That's just a bunch of old dead people...plug in. "like...OMG!"
And I say a big FU to the note maker/placer.
Sad that some of the largest corporations in the world continue to operate as going concerns while continuing to profit from the death and destruction of human life?
Well, obviously, VW forgot to pay off the right people .... I mean, nobody DIED from these emission "cheats" (irregardless of any ridiculous eco-nazi fantasies) - whereas GM's faulty ignition switch (which they knew about - and a fix would have been a couple bucks per car) caused the death of ~100 people. Strange how this "revelation" and subsequent "fine" coincides with VW's recent plans to spend $22 billion developing electric cars with the Chinese. I think that had a lot more to do with this whole media circus than it does any serious concerns with "emissions" or "safety." The regulatory agencies are thug agencies - nothing more - they don't give a flying fuck about the safety or health of anyone except themselves.
Yes, and all governments do, too.
VW or GM - which companday's lies have killed more innocent people ? Sad that you can't discern the impact of those lies ...
What a do-gooder asshat. How about I follow you around and nitpick everything you do, everything you buy, everything you eat...
A good garroting from behind whilst dear busy-body was doing their best, in service to Neo-Bolshevism would have been more my speed, but you sir, are a gentleman --
There's someone on my block who is exactly like this asshat.
I drive a large ford pickup truck in a somewhat street-parking-impaired area. I like my car. I don't want a tiny commuter coffin. Well, on the street I live on, the distance between driveways is variable and in some places where there might be room for 2 small cars... if I park in that spot I'm the only one who can fit there.
There's a woman on my street who has decided that I'm an asshole if I ever do this. At first she left me a note, explaining that my truck was "VERY LARGE" and that I should be considerate of other people where I park on public streets. I laughed and dropped her note in the gutter. I'm fairly certain she saw me do this.
I kept parking in those spots, about 3 weeks later, someone decided to dump a fully used cat-litter box into the bed of my truck for parking in that spot. I never washed it out. I let it sit there, as a reminder to that asshat just what an asshat they are. Eventually the rains washed it all out and there was no longer any semblance of message.
A week or two ago, someone again decided that a disgusting and smashed burger king burger needed to fly it's way up onto the top of my windshield.
Yes, this is the level of adulthood we have in this country. It never occurred to this cunt that most of the time when I'm searching for parking, I see two smaller cars that are too close together to let me park between them, forcing me to park blocks away and walk home. It never occured to her that I'm actually quite lucky when I can find a spot on my own street, nope... to her all that matters is that she was inconvenienced and I was an easy target.
Some of the worst pollution generation in the United States is from petrol power lawn mowers and landscaping equipment.
Lawn movers emissions are practically unregulated.
Neither is the noise output.
shhhhhh...geez man....don't give the psychos anymore fucked up idears...next thing you know we'll all have rainbow colored bitch-out letters on our lawn mowers from assholes like this and after that you know it'll all be taxed, fined, regulated, quintupled in price, and then made illegal all together by these motherfuckers.
Hey, if we outlaw powered lawn mowers, we can put everybody to work!
I'm Fukin' brilliant.
The lawnmowers in Cali equipped with clean air standard motors run like shit. Many of us went to Arizona and smuggled in a decent one. It's fun to go through the border checkpoint. No officer there is no fruit in that big box. Lucky for us the drought made us give up a lawn long ago.
Miffed;-)
give them tweezers, nothing more.
Slingshots are remarkable tools. I am getting very good with mine.
This person won't even introduce themselves to me, it's literally the most cowardly acts imaginable.
Fight fire w/fire.
Get yourseself a couple of game cameras and strap them on the inside of the truck, looking out the windows. (be covert if needed and disquise them by placing under a hat on the dash, etc). There's a good chance you will catch them in the act. Then you can have some fun once you know for sure who they are.
I was thinking of doing this, and the thought was to catch them in the act multiple times. Then post all the videos to youtube and leave notes on the cars of everyone on the block pointing them to the URL... effectively letting them know there's a bitch in town.
Fight Club would say once you know who it is... burn their house to the ground.
Thermite on top of the Gas Meter is a good starter.
And for you jerks who will downvote this...without comment...
YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE MOVIE.
Not bad with a slingshot myself.
3/8 steel ball definitely packs a punch!
I need one for all the asshat neighbors who allow their dogs to shit in my yard. Could i claim castle doctrine and kill the damn things like the police do, or would i get a lesson in PC authority?
The poor dog is just doing what a dog needs to do after being trapped inside of a house for 23hrs 47 min a day. Feel free to shoot the owners of said dogs though ....
do the covert camera thing and find out who it is, then when the time is right. park your truck about 4 inches off her bumper and trap her in till she beggs you and apologizes.
All things come around, this pc crap must die.
However, we must be wise, not extreme.
That's what demowits and repugs are for.
-1
Be wise AND extreme. Why must I choose between the two?
Sounds like the mindset of what allowed 1933-1945 to happen in Germany.
I put a note similar to that on a guys truck at work that had an AR15 sticker on his rear window. Said something to the effect that he supports murder, etc. Man was he pissed and we all got a good laugh out of it.
I guess I forgot to mention that I'm a gun guy too judging from all the downvotes
Not a good idea to fuck with a man armed with an AR15...
Unless suicide or homicide is your goal.
poodle shooters, jeez. get a 7.62.
Saiga 12 = can't miss repeatedly! lol
Russian tech that I can get behind.
Was funded by Nazi's (like the Bush family).
Hate letters from the tyrannical left.
love it....not one down vote .... fuck the power hungry politicions ... time for reality
I live in Portland...it figures. My Trump Sticker on my car has almost caused RIOTS.
The libtards are the Nazis.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c0_1443191089
Now you can say it's sad what this country has been reduced to. I put the cherry on top.
its a trap!
ZDRux: "It's sad what our country has been reduced to."
Looking at it from a different paradigm... Is someone burning to give it to Germany and its economy?
Consider:
- They don't get their gold back from the US/Fed,
they get spied on
-They have tens of thousands of US troops at many bases in Germany
- They get inundated with non-Christian, non-European refugees
- They get a dozen advanced nuclear weapons (WMDs) delivered for storage against "enemies to the East",
- They ask "How high" whenever their US masters say "Jump!"
And they STILL get piled on? It appears that someone does not like or respect Germany, no matter what they do or allow to be done to them. Or are they not letting in Refugees fast enough, and they are being disciplined?
Who ever put that on the windshield can suck my wang.
I wouldn't be caught dead in Portlandia
The VW corpratists not withstanding, this azzhoe note no doubt created by a your run of the mill typically mean spirited, nasty, & disrespectful progressive liberal ignore the facts because I know how to run your life better than you do democrap. I am fukn tired of all of those miedras crammin their bullshit agenda on the rest of US citizen citizen tax payers. Fukem all.
I live in the 503 and my 3rd car is a Hummer. I get notes all the time. East Portland is aost a different country. It resembles Bernie Sandersville right now.
I live in the 503 and my 3rd car is a Hummer. I get notes all the time. East Portland is aost a different country. It resembles Bernie Sandersville right now.
FEEL THE BERN!
FUCK YEAH!
throughout history i'm not so sure the world has ever been any more or less impressive
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and the NAZIS are founded by the talmud-jews. Then it will be correct! http://www.synagoguerising.com/
Now that is freedom of speech in action!!!!
'Murica!!!!!
What a douchy, smug, passive-aggressive note. Very Portland; wouldn't be unusual in SF or Seattle either. I'm sure the author drives a Pious, er, Prius.
then went to have a triple whipped skinny latte and checked his i-fone both made with slave labor
And yet the note happens to be factually correct!
Yeah we are this far down the rabbit hole now.
You are to far up your own ass kid, and not very good at this, why do you think everyones ignoring you here?
Just roll with the truth and you'll probably live longer.
The claims in the note are ambiguous at best...how are they measuring pollutants for instance?
I'm not sure I would use the word factual when describing that note...it's pure propaganda
The libtard likes the 15 mpg SUV better than the 40 mpg. Keep sending billions every month to the mid east so they have more money to kill us. Fucking moron.
A true environmentalist-progressive would never have PRINTED that note! Next time, think of the planet and send an e-fuckyou instead!
I always envisioned Flakmeister driving a VW considering the German avatar. Would be very apropos considering the honesty of both.
Miffed;-)
If I drove a TDI, my bumper sticker would read;
My other 3 cars are Suburbans!
Good point. The note could very easily have been handwritten, rather than ink jet-printed (the carbon footprint of which is surely enormous), on environmentally friendly, organically grown, sustainably harvested hemp paper, rather than killing one of Mother's precious children of the forest.
Not very Progressive.
Could have written it on the door with a key.
I believe it's spelled Portlandia, duh.
The Prius hypocrites get in the carpool lane with one person in the car, won't pick anyone else up.
Carpool is 3 persons, Prius does not use 3 times less gas.
We;ve got 2 douchey, smug, and passive aggressive downvoters here. Who knew the realism of ZH was so popular in fantasyland, err Portland?
There was another sign taped next to that one...
it said:
"I would like to buy this car!
VW cheated the GOVERNMENT...not you...they gave you higher gas mileage and great power while simultaneously giving the Government regulators a big FUCK YOU."
PS> The Nazi's also invented jet and rocket engines...and a whole host of other "things" that changed the world...FOR THE BETTER!
"The Nazi's also invented jet and rocket engines...and a whole host of other "things" that changed the world...FOR THE BETTER!"
Not to mention interstate highways and UFOs.
And I'm kidding about the UFOs.
And the Nazis invented 45 mpg cars. Dependence on foreign oil? Solved. No wait, they're Nazis, no can do. Keep sending billions every months to the Saudis. Fucking idiot.
Spectacular. Kudos to this fine progressive American.
Bush's fault
"Bush's fault"
Correct!
Just like the "Financial Regulators", the "EPA Regulators" were told to "backoff" during the Bush years!
It's very difficult for a President to change Federal Laws; but it's very easy to scale back, and even prevent, the enforcement of those laws.
VW knew it could get away with cheating, so it did...short term gain, long term pain...hmm...looks like, absent government regulators, VW didn't do what was in it's "long term" best interest...didn't see that coming...
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/245137-house-panel-approves...
Obama is a House member? Shit, the dude is everywhere!
Obama isn't a housemember dumbshit; he's the President...He's the GUY THAT SIGNS OFF ON WHAT THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE SETS ON HIS DESK!
You know, stuff like Deficit Spending, ObamaCare funding and EPA budget cuts...yeah dipshit, the Housemenbers write those checks...Obama just signs them.
Holy shit! Does this mean they are not coming to probe my drainage ditch in front of my building because of standing rainwater? We are soo screwed.
No, they will "probe your ditch" and fine the fuck out of you if there is a problem. What it does mean, is that mega corp up the road from your house can "rest assured" the EPA won't look too hard at their polution output.
Sure convinced me. I'm going to the dealership right this minute and trade in my diesel Jetta for a diesel Audi. Oh, wait...
Funny thing...I was thinking if they drop the prices...I would buy one today...better than a GM Car anyday
I would love to drive around Portland handing out notes that say:
Don't hate me because I drive a Suburban.
It "identifies as" Prius.
"it identifies as..."
Ooh, I like that better than "you didn't ___that" or "we _____ some folks"
MortimerDuke that was the best thing I've read today! Hell, I might have to get that printed on a t-shirt AND buy a suburban!
Need to do that with something that has a 427 in the engine bay - most priuses drive like the owner thinks he's got one
Used prices will be getting good.
You got it all wrong, keep sending billions to the Saudis every month!! Keep driving your 20 mpg GM car.
founded by the nazis not by that commie Ford !
Whew, thats a relief !
Not a commie assembly line!
Nauzi again. People really get their dicks hard throwing that old chestnut into every argument.
Your post sounded better in the original German
{kidding, man...}
I'd fight Jack Dempsey.
We share the same mixed up ancestry, and I don't think he could defeat my crane style.
Cash for clunkers! Version 1.1
This is going to run and run.
A point to note.. if the 'cheat' mode allows the vehicle to run clean so it passes the test - why can't it run that way all the time??
Clearly it can't. Either power suffers or engine lifespan suffers or another factor.
So when the software is 'tweaked' to make the vehicle comply - will your vehicle have the same horsepower? will it last as long? will it be as reliable??
So when they recall your VW - think if you have the same specification you purchased when they've reprogrammed it.
performance. the car is peppy and has great fuel economy. tweaking for clean emissions will very likely impact either or both noticeably.
Gee I wonder if that creates any kind of class-action opportunity here? Hmm makes ya wonder ...
Undoubtedly.
I have a 2004 Audi A4 with a gas 1.8 turbo my daughter drives.
Back when I drove the car, I had an APR ECU flash performed which gave the car 45 more HP with the caveat that I supply it 93 octane vs the standard 91 octane (along with a larger diverter valve).
Do you think the thousands of APR customers (along with REVO, JHM, etc) give a shit about the additional emmissions from their upgrades?
Fuck no. We want performance and reliability.
There are like, maybe, 3 Ford Diesels on the road that are not chipped.
I have one. I'm just too cheap.
Being a Master Mechanic, I know, when you tweak the program , you can get almost anything you want. But something has to give.
I had a sign in my shop;
We do three kinds of work,
1) Good
2) Fast
3) Cheap
Pick 2.
I would guess that it will have a lot less power and the millage will suffer. Kind of like a late 70's early 80's smogged to death American V-6 or V-8 lol.
Well sure but it is a diesel tho. Always did sorta suck.
The American requirements have always been partly idealistic and partly idiotic. In the seventies, British cars exported to the US regularly had about 40% less power and were stifled and unyielding disasters, producing less power yet using more petrol and looking absolutely stupid with big rubber bumpers almost at window height, yet somehow living up to the clean air regulations at that time.
I look forward to see all the disappointed VW owners after a mandatory visit at the dealer, where the engine is going to loose power and reliability, to be able to comply with the exhaust emission standards.
I think many will sell when they realize the joke is on them!
I'm certain the dealers will find they are subject to a catastrophic lack of service business because no one I know who owns a TDI is EVER going anywhere near a VW dealer for service ever again. As I told another clown, I didn't buy my TDI because of its "clean and green" attributes, I bought it because the engine as currently tuned has unbeatable performance and mpg. The EPA can suck my emissions, which will probably continue on this car for another 200k miles.
And that is why personal freedoms MUST be eliminated. You are ignoring the good of the collective. And get rid of those fucking guns too, they are a threat to our peaceful nation and world!
Right on
Mandatory? Because everyone knows that as soon as something becomes illegal, everyone stops doing it.
In 46 states, there are people who want to smoke weed, but they don't.
In every large city in the USA, there are black people who want to kill, rape, rob, and chimpout, but they don't because it's illegal.
I'm quite sure every TDI owner will be going in for their mandatorhy power reduction and fuel mileage deduction.
Oh yeah.
Because gov knows best and all laws must be obeyed, because they are laws. /s
Sorry duplicate post.
Just makes me want one more...
Still can't believe their making such a big deal out of a little pollution while GM killed thousands and got a slap on the wrist.
Obama killed more, so did Bush, so did Clinton and many other of your presidents.
No slap, no wrist, nothing!
Nothing!
Well, sure, but I thought we were talking current events and car companies. How about this; Stalin killed morethan any presidents, no slap on the wrist. Or the bubonic plague killed more than Stalin and was never prosecuted.. or....
I'm pretty sure Mao outdid Uncle Joe by quite a margin.
The pollution these cars contribute, collectively , does not amount to a fart in a hurricane.
EPA is pissed because they got jacked.
Hey, the rules said it had to pass the test. What's the fuckin problem?
What's the fuckin problem?
RULES and those who make them. That's the fuckin problem.
Dear Hippies,
Mind your own fucking business.
Yours truly,
VW TDI Owners
ha ha hah hahahahahah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!
I drive a 2002 Jetta TDI with 184,000 miles on it and not so much as a hiccup as long as normal maintenance is done. It's probably going to be more valuable now that the new TDI's are being eschewed. Also, if some confused hippie puts one of those flyers on my car I will be reminding them that my car was made before the model years affected....right after I beat them unconscious.
I am prepared for 100's of down votes, I am Ford F-150 driving libertarian (but inching closer to anarchism) who lives in Portland. Yes we are full of progressive, entitled fucks and the person who put this on windshield is in all probability is a worthless piece of shit.
I gotta say i am surprised how pissed you are all for someone who made his opinion known (yes he is pussy for not doing it face to face). It just amazes me how inconsistent people are with their beliefs. So in the future we all know things are going to go to hell maybe just maybe when the shit hits the fan commonsense makes its way through the garbage pile that is government and at some point we do get people who believe in limited government sitting in the seats.
Question to all of you will it just be limited to what your wants and needs are or will you be consistent and truly want a free society where people can tell other people what they think of them without fear of government intervention or a shitload of down votes.
You must have missed the last hundred years.
Progressives ALWAYS express their ideals loudly AND publicly. It is when those ideas are opposed, even in private conversations, that those doing so are attacked. Sure we all understand the concept of free speech, but we also understand that turnabout is fair play. Besides, there is no one here that believes that this progressive "free speech" is idle expression. It is a precursor, a warning and symptom of the direction we are being pushed. That if we drive the wrong car, or have the wrong bumper sticker, or make any public display of non progressive actions or beliefs, WE WILL BE ATTACKED. The simple fact that this person owned a VW, obviously purchased before any of this comes to light, clearly demonstrates this progressive attack mode...and do not think they are not serious about it. The world is becoming increasing radicalized and the progressives will push every extremist button they can find in an attempt to intimidate people into silence and submission. I'm sure they are convinced at this very moment that the debate is over. There has been a push back against diesels, regardless of their proven performance or cleanliness, as a symbol of everything wrong with carbon fuels. The early years of soot hang like a cloud over this issue and there will be no pacifying them. Progressives are about causes and symbols of those causes, so it is no surprise that diesel has been held to a far higher standard than gasoline ever was. There is a reason why no one has been making diesels for passenger cars in this country for the last thirty years. It is because the left didn't want them...no matter what. They are a symbol.
FFS. Nobody's calling for a ban on hippie speech. We're all just pointing out the absurdity of it. You act as if nobody should be allowed to criticize others' opinions.
Hey all for criticizing just surprised how pissed everyone is I recommend you have a good laugh, this person probably will be one of the first to be ass raped when the re-set happens. When you live in Portland kinda like having a circus all around you lots of fun and interesting sights best thing is to just enjoy them and watch from safe distance
Hey all for criticizing just surprised how pissed everyone is I recommend you have a good laugh, this person probably will be one of the first to be ass raped when the re-set happens. When you live in Portland kinda like having a circus all around you lots of fun and interesting sights best thing is to just enjoy them and watch from safe distance
This post was put here for additional downvotes
We ALL know, today it's a letter. Tomorrow , it's slashed tires, smashed windshield, or a can of spray paint.
This asshole needs to be taught. At least we are venting on the net!
good point. But I'm confused. I've owned a TDI for 10 years now, and many times have been called a 'liberal fag', a lesser man because "I drive a car' or "why don't you have a truck real men drive trucks" or been told that my car is a liberal faggotmobile.
Now the liberal faggots are attacking my liberal faggotmobile? What the actual FUCK?
Here I thought getting 50 mpg was good for the planet? Better than 20 MPG.
NO. Now the libfags say we should be driving Suburbans?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Suburbans are green. High mileage TDIS are bad.
I get it now.
i'd still buy a vw before a government motors pos
You won't be able to, and if you are you won't like the cost nor the performance once these bitches are forced to run according to the actual sticker.
One illusion down the drain. Couple zillion more to go...
i was waxing philosophical...i don't buy any new cars...1983,1991,2002 all bought used, no vw's or gm's
The German government literally owns 20% of the company! How is that government motors thing workin' out for ya? I'm always amused how ZH people blindly follow certain companies and shit on almost all others. VW's haven't been good quality cars in years.
Modern cars are just debt mobiles.
Used to be able to fix 'em yourself,, but now you pretty much need to take your car to the dealership to get air fitted in the tires, FFS!
Gave up owning one 5 years ago.
When I first started driving (early 70s) I used to enjoy it. Now it's just a chore and a revenue producer for local government.
Is any of this even true though? Or is this more Murikistanian propaganda in retaliation for the VW engine plant in Russia?
yes, it's true.
has nothing to do with a VW engine plant in Russia, and everything to do with sending a political message loud and clear to Mutti and the German automobile industry.
Believe whatever you want to! But VW is blown. One down about a dozen to go.
I'd rather have the VW.
Well guess what pretty soon you'll be able to buy these things cheap for cash, you just won't be able to get them smogged in most of the lower 48.
2 days after they update the software there will be a hack that will revert to the cheat program. I will gladly buy a hacked VW diesel.
And those criminal penalties though! Liv'n the G life, ma nigga.
Because all of us obey every single law all the time.
Just how would .gov detect said cheat? With their emissions tester that the car's ECU detects?
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Anybody who's owned a TDI appreciates the efficiency, torque, smoothness, and longevity of a diesel engine as compared to a gasonline engine. VWs gasoline powered offerings are sub par.
The TDI is their engineering triumph, and a big FUCk YOU to mamagov.
I like that.
WINNING! TDI OR DEATH!
When the tweakers get done with the reprogramming aftermarket, these cars will get 70 mpg, with 20 more HP.
I think some part of that might be a felony? Just guessing.
That will make it worth even more!
Thank you Uncle Sugar. Might be able to make a buck out of this.
Yeah there probably would be some money there. But I'm pretty sure the guy gets busted and spends 10 days doing community service because he tried to smog chipped used car is going to come after you with a baseball bat. Just so you're prepared.
You mean like the stock TDIs in the rest of the world that don't have all of our bullshit safety requirements that add hundreds of pounds of useless weight to the car?
Why can't we decide if we would rather drive an ultralight or a tank?
no, the busybody liberal dogooders (like the asswipe that left this note -- probably faked by the TDI owner himself -- fucking attention whoring bitch) know best.
When do they come for the motorcycles? No seatbelts, no side impact beams, oh my !
No emmissions testing in Ohio.
Is that right then I wonder if the place will soon be crawling with pre-owned nearly-new VW diesel products! Lucky Ohio now you can have the same air quality as Los Angeles!
Quantity matters more that quality with emissions. They don't account for that.
They test for % or ppm. The better the mpg, no matter what comes out the tailpipe, it's cleaner. BY. VOLUME!
This is bullshit. The Germans knew it was bullshit. And created code to adjust for the bullshit.
And probably drove their entire company into receivership! Wow great way to protect shareholder value; cook up a scheme to temporarily enrich the C-level management, fist the risk onto consumers, and skip town when the lawyers show up!! Hot damn howdy that's some kind of hot-blooded capitalism that is let me tell you Bob!
Sorry Coug,
Ohio isnt stuck in a valley full of smug assholes smelling their own farts. We have plenty of clean air, fertile soil and natural resources including clean surface and groundwater. In fact, SW Ohio site on one of the best buried valley aquifers in the country. The water may be a bit hard, but it's not full of iron and shitty smelling sulphur like the water out west. Our reservoirs are also at peak capacity unlike that fucked up state you mentioned.
Dont worry. We might just sell you whackos some drinking water once you get your heads out of your ass and quit selling off your most valuable resource to Nestle.
BTW, did you wake up on the sanctimonious side of your cave today?
Then maybe Ohio is a good place for these things to go to die.
But I wouldn't be so quick to discount the potential for trouble.
And no my cave is fine. I'm just really pissed in general about how corporations get away with murder (GM, Toyota) and lying (VW et al.), when a high school kid with 2 oz of pot on him gets sent to prison for 10 years. Burns me up. I just wish all these sociopathic fucks would die. Go broke, lose everything, live under a bridge, buy their dope $10 at a time from a high school kid, and then die of exposure. But they won't so I'm pissed.
And then these ZH pukes. Always going on about corporate fascism, "gold manipulation" end quote, and the take over of governance etc etc, but when a fucking diesel engine is under the microscope they totally lose their shit.
Well excuse me you two-faced pieces of crap. Either it's always wrong or it always isn't. Either lying is wonderful and your gold problems are funny, or it's all wrong and needs to stop.
So. Yeah.
Typical fucking Yankee. They always know whats good for everybody.