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Kunstler Rages "Perhaps America Has Gotten What It Deserves"

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Submitted by James H Kunstler via Kunstler.com,

Did Charlie Rose look like a fucking idiot last night on 60-Minutes, or what, asking Vladimir Putin how he could know for sure that the US was behind the 2014 Ukraine coup against President Viktor Yanukovych? Maybe the idiots are the 60-Minutes producers and fluffers who are supposed to prep Charlie’s questions. Putin seemed startled and amused by this one on Ukraine: how could he know for sure?

Well, gosh, because Ukraine was virtually a province of Russia in one form or another for hundreds of years, and Russia has a potent intelligence service (formerly called the KGB) that had assets and connections threaded through Ukrainian society like the rhizomorphs of the fungusArmillaria solidipes through a conifer forest. Gosh, Charlie, it’s like asking Obama whether the NSA might know what’s going on in Texas.

And so there is Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer, having to spell it out for the American clodhopper super-journalist. “We have thousands of contacts with them. We know who and where, and when they met with someone, and who worked with those who ousted Yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which country, and who those instructors were. We know everything.”

The only thing Vlad left out of course was the now-world-famous panicked yelp by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland crying, “Fuck the EU,” when events in Kiev started getting out of hand for US stage-managers. But he probably heard about that, too.

Charlie then voice-overed the following statement: “For the record, the US has denied any involvement in the removal of the Ukrainian leader.” Right. And your call is important us. And your check is in the mail. And they hate us for our freedom.

This bit on Ukraine was only a little more appalling than Charlie’s earlier segment on Syria. Was Putin trying to rescue the Assad government? Charlie asked, in the context of President Obama’s statement years ago that “Assad has to go.”

Putin answered as if he were explaining something that should have been self-evident to a not-very-bright high school freshman: “To remove the legitimate government would create a situation which you can witness in other countries of the region, for instance Libya, where all the state institutions have disintegrated. We see a similar situation in Iraq. There’s no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the government structure.”

I guess Charlie and the 60-Minutes production crew hadn’t noticed what had gone on around the Middle East the past fifteen years with America’s program of toppling dictators into the maw of anarchy. Not such great outcomes.

Charlie persisted though, following his script: Was Putin trying to rescue Assad? Vlad had to lay it out for him as if he were introducing Charlie to the game of Animal Lotto: “What do you think about those who support the terrorist organizations only to oust Assad without thinking about what happens to the country after all the state institutions have been demolished…? Look at those who are in control of 60 percent of the territory of Syria.

Meaning ISIS. Al Nusra (formerly al Qaeda in Syria), i.e., groups internationally recognized as terrorist organizations.

Charlie Rose, 60-Minutes — and perhaps by extension US government agencies with an interest in propagandizing — seem to want to put over the story that Russia has involved itself in Syria only to aggrandize its role on in world affairs.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but what sort of stupid fucking idea is this? And are there any non-lobotomized adults left in the USA who can’t see straight through it? The truth is that American policy in Syria (plus Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Somalia, Afghanistan) is an impressive record of failure in terms of the one basic aim that most rational people might agree upon: stabilizing the region in a way that does not leave Islamic jihadi maniacs in charge.

Okay, so now the Russians will do what they can to try to stabilize Syria. They’ve had their failures, too (famously, Afghanistan). But Russian territory adjoins the Islamic lands and they clearly have stake in containing the virus of Islamic extremism near their borders. Is that not obvious?

Charlie made one other extremely dumb statement — he seems to prefer making assertions to asking straight-up questions — to the effect that Russia was misbehaving by deploying troops on its border with Ukraine.

Putin again seemed astonished by this credulous idiocy. The US had troops and nuclear weapons all over Europe, he answered. Did Charlie think that meant the US was attempting to occupy the nations of Europe now? Was it “a crime” for Russia to defend its own border with a neighboring state (formerly a province) that, he implied, the US had deliberately destabilized?

The Putin segment was followed by an sickening session with Donald Trump, a man who now — after a month or so of public exposure — proves incapable of uttering a coherent idea. I wonder what Vladimir Putin makes of this incomparable buffoon. Perhaps that America has gotten what it deserves.

 

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Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:55 | 6604043 quintago
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the trump interview was pretty grand too. Scott "nope, can't do that" Pelley

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:56 | 6604050 bigdumbnugly
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Putin again seemed astonished by this credulous idiocy.

 

welcome to american mainstream media, vlad.

check your brain at the door. 

it won't be needed.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:04 | 6604081 knukles
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Easy guys! 
Take Rose for what he is; a Bildergerg attendee for 10 years or so. 

Charlie is the NWO's official intelligentsia implant directly into PBS, et al.

                  Fuck Charlie Rose

                  (To not recognize that Charlie as a NWO implant is like suggesting that in Fight Club, Tyler Durden doesn't look anything like Brad Pitt.)

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:05 | 6604103 nuubee
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Don't be ridiculous, we deserve president Camacho. We're doing well so far.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:06 | 6604106 formadesika3
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You could see the terror in Putin's eyes as Rose pounded him with one hard-hitting question after another.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:14 | 6604133 ZerOhead
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Rose is a CFR NWO asset just as Putin is otherwise public broadcsting's NWO Productions never would have aired this shitshow to the muttonheads for consumption...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:16 | 6604144 macholatte
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Hey Kunstler:

Speaking of fucking idiots, incomparable buffoons, and people incapable of uttering a coherent idea… look in the mirror!

 

Blame Charlie Rose for asking questions but not Obama for creating the situations.

Harangue against Nuland (married to Robert Kagan father of Elana Kagen of the Supreme Court) but not her bosses, Hitlery or Kerry or Obama.

 

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:21 | 6604168 max2205
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60 minutes is bought and paid for.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6604180 ZerOhead
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YOU ARE BEING PUNKED!

Spoiler Alert: Putin speaks English better than 75% of Californians...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqAFO7RJeg

(30 seconds in...)

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:49 | 6604242 WordSmith2013
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Putin Demolishes Neocon Mouthpiece Charlie Rose On 60 Minutes

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=23216

"President Putin Exposes MSM Propaganda And Embarrasses Their Amateur Shills"

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:01 | 6604555 Oracle of Kypseli
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Can we think outside the box for a minute... What if Charlies questioning was to soft pitch for Putin so that Obama looks bad? The questioning was beyond belief, so in this world of it's not what it seems, it's not far fetched to say that Putin got the opportunity to bury the myths by that set-up. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:29 | 6604679 Stuck on Zero
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I agree. The question was brilliant. It lead Putin to state he had KGB crawling all over the country - something the Ukraine hated.  Not only were they everywhere, they were incompetent to allow the coup. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:58 | 6604820 Buckaroo Banzai
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Incompetent to allow the coup??? Hardly. Putin is playing chess, not checkers. Sometimes you sacrifice a pawn to win a better piece further down the line. In this case, that piece was called "Crimea".

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 03:11 | 6605555 MisterMousePotato
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"Donald Trump, a man who now — after a month or so of public exposure — proves incapable of uttering a coherent idea."

He may be no Demosthenes (?can someone help me here?), but this is a patently false assertion. As well as a non sequitor.

There is something about this man, Donald Trump, that our overlords do not like.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:29 | 6605105 ZerOhead
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Or they simply allowed the coup.

They wasted no time in securing Crimea so the intel they were getting must have been good.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:25 | 6605285 Lurk Skywatcher
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Putin must realize that Intel agencies can make mistakes, just look at America's CIA et al - they are always making Intel mistakes!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:25 | 6605120 ZerOhead
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IN ENGLISH

Think about that lost opportunity to speak directly to Americans. Rookie mistake?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:48 | 6604245 bigkahuna
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"are there any non-lobotomized adults left in the USA who can’t see straight through it?"

is this an attempt at comedy?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:08 | 6604577 new game
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h k is a play it both sides mutha fucker- true libtard, idealist progressive made by hand wordsmith.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:24 | 6604895 conscious being
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Speaking of getting what you deserve, when will the fraud Kunstler get what he deserves. Ask him how he feels about bbq'd Palestinians and watch the fangs come out.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:49 | 6605489 Otrader
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Speaking of getting what you deserve, when will the fraud Kunstler get what he deserves. Ask him how he feels about bbq'd Palestinians and watch the fangs come out.

From Wikipedia:  Kunstler was born in New York City to Jewish parents,[1] who divorced when he was eight.[2] His family then moved to the suburbs in Long Island. His father was a middleman in the diamond trade.[1] Kunstler spent most of his childhood with his mother and stepfather, a publicist for Broadway shows.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:48 | 6605197 swmnguy
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Macholatte:  Elena Kagan's father's name is (was?) indeed "Robert Kagan."  But it's not the same Robert  Kagan.  The guy who's married to Victoria Nudelman was born in 1958.  Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan was born in 1960.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:19 | 6604157 0b1knob
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"Gosh, Charlie, it’s like asking Obama whether the NSA might know what’s going on in Texas."

Does the NSA REALLY know what is going on in Texas?   Does Obama even know what is going on at the NSA?  Could Obama find Texas on a map of the 57 states?   If Obama messes with Texas who gets messed up?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:04 | 6604313 cougar_w
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You know I'm pretty sure the NSA knows all about what is going on in Texas, down to detail of the street address.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:27 | 6604903 conscious being
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Data and knowledge are two different things. Let's face it. They are a government agency.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 07:59 | 6605812 Ponk
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No, the government is an NSA agency.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:31 | 6605138 SixIsNinE
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i'm sure you're correct Cougar - and that means NSA is complicit in all the NASA frauds seeing the large NASA Texas presence - imagine the gumption and paranoia involved with having to continually cover up the fraudulent SPACE program .... the evidence is overflowing now, check Youtube - the frauds and fakes as to the space hoaxes ... that's a big reason the Smith Mundt act - allowing any kind of lie and propaganda and retroactively issue it - check out the Chinese hoax moon landing recently , what a crock - it looked so fake they cancelled all news and "photos" after the first day of their hoax "landing" ...

also - be sure to check out out own Russ W's Winter Actionables latest on the Aurora Batman "event" ....  spoiler - NO Blood in the Theater !

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:14 | 6604138 The Pope
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I'd put my trust in Pete Rose before Charlie Rose

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:35 | 6604215 Urban Roman
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Terror? It looked to me like it was all he could do to not roll around on the floor laughing.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:11 | 6604585 new game
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astonishing sack of bullshit as most mericans think he is the badguy. fucken - eh, it's hopeless...

then trump, fucken eh again, and a wtf. great answers til the military. but i digress, simply won't happen, remembering jfk...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:55 | 6604258 Ham-bone
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America is uninterested in fact any longer...looking at unflattering and discomforting facts would require action, suffering, and pain to attempt to regain a track toward a better future.

Link below outlines US ecionomic recoveries in perspective and why this is the worst...but doubt it will be of interest to Americans nor who or what is responsible for all of this.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3538366-u-s-economic-recoveries-in-perspective-and-why-this-is-the-worst

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:05 | 6604318 knukles
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My Progressive pals tell me it's the best ever!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:21 | 6604394 lunaticfringe
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Charlie Rose was absolutely emblematic of the liberal stooges in this country. You could tell that Rose had bought into the America is wonderful, we had nothing to do with de stabilizing the Ukraine and the Syrian government should be toppled because America and Obama said so meme.

Putin must have thought he was talking to a complete numbskull and he was. This is how our country thinks. This is how the liberal majority think. This is the country who elected a complete fraud as President who can't even come up with a college transcript or a passport.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:30 | 6604918 conscious being
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Given all that, how has America defied gravity this long?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:39 | 6604962 GooseShtepping Moron
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Nuclear weapons.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:15 | 6604606 TruthHunter
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Rose is a late bloomer. When he was young, he looked like a total goofball,not a serious journalist.

Now he LOOKS the part

Is there a US journalist that isn't a softball pitcher?

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:20 | 6604626 Down to Earth T...
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Charlie is a yes mans, yes man ! But we all live in many illsuions here in USA today, he is just one of those many ! a truly worthless turd if there ever was one, schmoozer extraordinaire'. I agree fuck Charlie , maybe even skull fuck Charlie ?although i never really figured out exactly what that means from the sarge.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:27 | 6604671 ThroxxOfVron
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"To not recognize that Charlie as a NWO implant is like suggesting that in Fight Club, Tyler Durden doesn't look anything like Brad Pitt. "

 

I asked Marla and she said "Tyler looks exactly like Ed Norton after he has had his ass kicked by Brad Pitt."

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:23 | 6605107 SixIsNinE
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++ = and Kunstler didn't bother to mention that Charlie Rose has had Assad on his show numerous times in the Naughty Decade *(2000-2009) - I only subscribed to cable in 2004-05 to see what lamestream was saying about the Iraq invasion.   Assad was interviewed by Rose more than any other ME leader .... after discontinuing cable because of the blatant hypocrisy and downright disgusting commentary as to the nature of the war, i would on occasion happen to check for the Rose show.  Even later (2007-2009) Assad was on the Rose show, and if one bothered to pay attention, his level of concern was marked ... noting very clearly that if the continued chaos of Iraq went unchecked, it would soon be in his country.... Charlie Rose had an emergency "health concern" ...what year?  2008-9?  something like that.... heart problem ...

i think it was after the Russert death ... after Charlie Rose recovered and resumed his show, though I did not follow dedicatedly, it seemed that he did indeed go with a "script" and his show was definitely less appealing, thought as I said, I no longer subscribed to cable or attempted to follow his show, just serendipitous viewings as fate would have it ... I don't think I've seen his show since he had Jeffery Immelt on a few years ago - Immelt explaining that GE was about the last USA corporation with Global power & influence .... (note ExIm bank controversy today) ....

in short, Assad always appeared cool, calm, collected in the interviews - JHK, - infamous Anti-ZeroHedge blogger and content to remain un-apologetic as to his audaciously bogus claims of us being "conspiracy fringers" - JHK fails to mention the many previous Assad interviews  -Putin appeared unfazed and bewildered as to the devious tactics the Empirical Hegemon Uncle Scam claims as Assad himself has done while being questioned by Charlie,

for JHK to be featured on ZH it's high time he apologized to us for his slanderous and derogatory comments about us    - step up JHK

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:02 | 6604087 imapopulistnow
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He was a fucking smirk smirf.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:06 | 6604109 junction
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Charlie Rose looks like he is suffering from Xanax poisoning.  His CBS Morning Show is all stage set, no real news.  His female co-hosts, Gayle King and Norah O'Donald, could audition for a female Joker part in the next Batman movie. Who really watches these network morning shows, senior citizens in the day rooms of nursing homes?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:17 | 6604149 gmrpeabody
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Only because they are not allowed to get up and change the channel...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:38 | 6604956 Not Goldman Sachs
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Same shit, different channel.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:23 | 6604171 CheapBastard
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Rose has become a 100% pure slime ball. He's even now on a morning lightweight talk show that is so pathetic. He sits there half dazed as they talk about the latest fashion or Kim Kardashian or Jason Beeper.

 

I can't beleive he needs the money; why would anyone stoop to that crap? Oh yeah, then there's Stepanopolis, another Clown.

 

Pee Wee Herman would have done a more profund interview then Rose.

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/362060137/Pee-wee_Twitter_Profile.png

 

Putin had to be embarrassed. When he gets back home I can hear the racuous laughter now with all his comrades as they guzzle vodka [like real men] and laugh at Rose and Barry.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:52 | 6604267 Pie rre
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Just like Larry King selling joint pills nonstop.  I think they both read that retirement is not condusive to increased longevity. From what I've seen they should both get off the air and get a job as greeters if they're afraid of dying.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:51 | 6604261 Bastiat
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First time I saw Rose, some years back, I thought he looked and acted like a alchoholic. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:10 | 6604340 chunga
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Maybe I missed it but when Rose stated that Russia had annexed Crimea he completely skipped over the part about the election, even as a footnote.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:58 | 6604046 JLO
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They all know whats up..........

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:56 | 6604055 agent default
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But they do hate us for our freedom.  The US government that is.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:58 | 6604063 MountainMan
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You lost me with Trump. Trump 2016!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:55 | 6604273 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah, typical Kunstler-- gets everything exactly right, then shoots himself in the foot taking a swipe at Trump. Kunstler, you fool-- who gives a shit what you think about Trump? You voted for Obama TWICE...and then admitted it! Good grief.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:35 | 6604720 GooseShtepping Moron
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That's exactly what I was going to say. Kunstler was actually in the zone with this week's Clusterfuck, and then he blew it with the very last paragraph.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:03 | 6604561 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Scooby will vote Trump so will you!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:37 | 6605163 SixIsNinE
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hey, that Simpsons episode from 15 years ago predicted Trump as Prez ...

don't fight the flow folks !  seriously, the same episode, iirc, showed Trump prez, Greece being auctioned off on ebay and other odd coinkidinks ...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 17:58 | 6604064 Oldwood
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America, Fuck yeah!?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:05 | 6604067 SofaPapa
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I hate it that when push comes to shove, if I have to choose, Putin comes out over anyone in our elites.  Putin's a prick.  But at least he's better at doing what he does, and there are reasons for what he does outside of pure hubris-filled lunacy.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:10 | 6604338 Volkodav
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Obvious you know nothing about this.

media dumb you down much?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:36 | 6604459 BigJim
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Sorry, I keep forgetting Putin is The Great Russian Patriot, despite the fact he's allowed most of the zoligarchs (who bought Russia with Fed money under Yeltsin's "give Russia away to dual citizens" programme) to still control most of the Russian economy.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:00 | 6604069 Raging Debate
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Whats up with you senile assholes anyways? Grow up.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:00 | 6604071 Whalley World
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The Empire Has No Clothes!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:01 | 6604080 will ling
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vlad has always suspected his IQ was about 40 points higher than his adversaries.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:16 | 6604145 Latitude25
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His adversaries are Obumble's handlers.  I wouldn't unerestimate the psychopaths.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:56 | 6604279 tarabel
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LBJ thought the same thing when he stumbled headlong into HIS Vietnam.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:02 | 6604303 monk27
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LBJ was an idiot. That's the difference...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:06 | 6604322 bid the soldier...
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LBJ saw what happened to JFK and did not want to go out on a riderless horse.

By the time the USS Liberty was almost sunk by Rabin, he was eating out the Pentagon's hands.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:26 | 6604668 MontgomeryScott
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LBJ DID wahat happened to JFK (at least, a willing participant).

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:52 | 6605025 bid the soldier...
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Perhaps, but I don't agree.  

Kennedy was killed by the vehemently anti-communist CIA that followed the Korean War.  Kennedy had a dispute with the CIA.

'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam

Richard Starnes
The Washington Daily News, Wednesday, October 2, 1963, p.3

SAIGON, Oct.2 - The story of the Central Intelligence Agency's role in South Viet Nam is a dismal chronicle of bureaucratic arrogance, obstinate disregard of orders, and unrestrained thirst for power.

Twice the CIA flatly refused to carry out instructions from Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge, according to a high United States source here.

In one of these instances the CIA frustrated a plan of action Mr. Lodge brought with him from Washington because the agency disagreed with it.

This led to a dramatic confrontation between Mr. Lodge and John Richardson, chief of the huge CIA apparatus here. Mr. Lodge failed to move Mr. Richardson, and the dispute was bucked back to Washington. Secretary of State Dean Rusk and CIA Chief John A. McCone were unable to resolve the conflict, and the matter is now reported to be awaiting settlement by President Kennedy.

It is one of the developments expected to be covered in Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's report to Mr. Kennedy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

 

And JFK fired Allen Dulles in 1961.  Dulles was the Godfather of the CIA having created the anti-communist agency after World War II.

Kennedy was unwilling to confront the North Vietnamese and for the good of America had to be terminated.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:09 | 6604336 lunaticfringe
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There are some outstanding leaders in the world right now, Putin and Netanyahu. Obama couldn't wipe either one's ass.

Whe I heard Trump say he would get Snowden back and prosecute him- I knew he was just another moron. Gawd help us, we cannot tolerate one more fucking idiot wasting time we haven't got.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:01 | 6604082 PGR88
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I was waiting for Putin to reach across and put the dickhead Rose in a choke-hold

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:02 | 6604083 Xatos
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Charlie Rose did in fact look like an idiot. Trump, though, is still getting my vote. He's the only man who can fix the country, whether he ends up being the greatest president of all time, or being a bleeding heart liberal douche, at which point the American people will be pushed over the edge and start a revolution. 

 

Trump is the only candidate who can lead America to a reset, no matter if he succeeds or fails. He's the guy who will either be who he says he is (an outsider who can fix it) or he will be another liar, and after being a liar (while being the guy who ISN'T supposed to be lying or controlled) the American people will realize it doesn't matter who they vote for, and a revolution must take place.

 

So vote Trump.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:10 | 6604125 SofaPapa
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Seriously?  If the American people haven't figured out that the system is rigged over the past eight years, it literally makes zero difference who is elected in the upcoming farce.  Of course he's a liar.  They wouldn't let him near power if he weren't.  There is no good reason to vote for someone promoted to "represent" you when you know they will not do so, and in fact, can not do so.

Focus you're efforts much much closer to home.  National government is what it is.  Don't waste your effort trying to change it.  Disconnect as much as possible and let it collapse under its own weight.   There's nothing else at this point that has a snowball's shot in hell of "making a difference".

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:56 | 6604275 Xatos
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That's a defeatist mentality and part of what's largely wrong with the country. I actually prefer to fight, but if you just want to bend over, by all means do so. If Trump were such a shill, you wouldn't see the media beating him down all the time only to see them legitmately question why their anti-Trump commentary isn't working. 

Now Boehner is leaving.  Carl Rove has been MIA for weeks. Now the establishment is waking up to the fact that people are pissed and Trump isn't going anywhere and they're shitting in their pants. 

And you want to sit around and do nothing? Not EVERYONE is in on everything, and not everything is a conspiracy. Trump may not be perfect, but he's damn sure not a plant. He's scaring the shit out of everyone. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:07 | 6604327 SofaPapa
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You and I disagree 100% on Trump.  Time will tell.

I'm not suggesting doing nothing.  I'm suggesting spending my energy closer to home, forming a network of people around me to depend on.  This seems far more productive to me than hoping a savior is going to reform a fundamentally corrupted bureaucracy such as the federal government.  We disagree on this as well.

You go your way; I'll go mine.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:19 | 6604384 Xatos
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There won't be a saviour, only the American people can save themselves. They'll either bone the establishment and Trump will be who he says he is, or the light will find him; at which point the proverbial camel's back will be broken, leading to revolution. 

I argue that Trump is the only candidate who can bring about positive results regardless of what he does. He will either succeed as a president thus bringing about needed change and leadership, or he will fail, and because he is who he is and people like him for being that guy, if he fails, he will bring about revolution that any other failed candidate as president cannot. 

As for issues like the Fed, these are the entities that NO president could tackle, but are doing a good job of defeating themselves. These entities are losing control, right at the same time the American people are in some cases waking up, and in other cases drawing a line in the sand. There is no saviour, I think you look at this the wrong way. The American people are gearing up for their own salvation. Trump happens to be a timely outlet of frustration and a bit of a "Ok... one more time" kind of opportunity to save the country without dropping blood. 

I don't believe the coming change is all doom porn; I believe that the American people and the "silent majority" are being setup with a perfection storm to bring about revolution. Whether or not Trump is legitimate is irrelevant, because as I explained, he's the harbringer of massive change, one way or another. 

So like I said, vote Trump. 

:)

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:41 | 6604485 BigJim
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Yes, Trump's the perfect blowhard to lead America straight into the abyss. He represents the quintessential American in the eyes of most of the world; a loud, vain, tasteless, win-at-all-costs money obsessive.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:12 | 6604131 PTR
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Heh.  He thinks elections changes things.

 

It'd be like adding a drop of filtered water into a well full of poison.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:02 | 6604305 lunaticfringe
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That is such a good metaphor.

Very often I am in awe at just how stupid people have become. They actually think they have a say in things- like they can influence the outcome.

Our government quit representing it's people at the same time it passed a law enacting the Federal Reserve System somewhere around 1913. Since that time, the government represents banker and corporate interests- while pretending to serve some "common" man who's sons and daughters are used for cannon fodder.

Trump is just another elite, ego maniac. The only difference between Trump and a typical ZH reader is that we are more intelligent and we don't get hair weaves. And we sure in the fuck aren't dumb enough to run for President. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:35 | 6604590 HardAssets
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He's just another child. 'Thinks' that if you don't 'vote', you have nothing to complain about." - All that does is show TPTB that the sheep are still willing to line up to get sheared. Still looking for a 'Mommy' or 'Daddy' false 'authority' figure out of D.C. to make it all better. If 85% of those elligible refused to partake in the fraud & refused to vote, that would really worry them. It would show that people had woken up to the scam.

How many 'elections' does it take to clue in the chumps ?

Sheesh

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 02:12 | 6605512 Muppet
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Agreed.   A Governments worst nightmare is for the citizenry to simply ignore them.   Look at Greece.    Very few pay their taxes.   The citizens tuned out.  What is interesting is that the Government did not utilize force (yet).  In the USSA or Germany, a huge police state would have ensued.   Secretly, I'll bet this is what Germany is demanding the Greece leaders do.     What has happened in Greece is a Governments worst nightmare.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 11:56 | 6606533 SofaPapa
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Yes.  

One of the few points of light I have seen in the past few months is the stories of barter taking hold in Greece.  It is being presented as a failure, but I see it differently.  People are learning to work with direct partners again.  This is good.  It's a very painful transition, and many will die, unable to take responsibility for themselves and their lives.  For the ones who survive, however, they gain an independence and a resilience that is priceless.  Spiritual growth.  We need more of it.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:12 | 6604132 ThirteenthFloor
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So sorry Xatos but it is written in the sand and every line in the palm of your hand, Trump won't make it to Election Day, he his a fiqure for the media to play with, a diversion from the negative press on Bushy.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6604192 CheapBastard
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I'll have to go with Trump also. Who else is there? Plus, Trump is the only one who impresses me as a guy who would and could reach over and punch his adversaries lights out.

 

I can't see Jeb "MIC" Bush doing it or any of those other pussies.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:39 | 6604740 GooseShtepping Moron
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I'm with Trump as well. I realize he isn't perfect, and that I wouldn't agree with  him on every matter of policy. But for God's sake, we just need a president who isn't a douche for once.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:31 | 6604207 falconflight
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If he's the "only man who can fix the country," might you just consider the implication in an alleged constitutional republic where pluralism is allegedly a sacred political principle.  BTW, he released his Obama 2.0 tax proposal last night on 60 Minutes.  I supported him based on GOP Establishment aggravation with him, but otherwise, I'll not support this ProgressivePig anymore than I'd support Obama.  

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:59 | 6604291 Buckaroo Banzai
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Trump fix the country? Sorry, not gonna happen.

But who cares? All we need Trump to do is mortally cripple the Republican Party. If he does that, he will have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:00 | 6605053 StychoKiller
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The Republicons are destructing just fine all by themselves!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:02 | 6604086 Berspankme
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Charlie Rose is used to giving interviews on his knees slobbering on someones knob

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:03 | 6604088 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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America will get what it deserves very soon IMHO.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:03 | 6604095 Oldwood
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I loved Obama speaking before the UN this morning talking of those who prey upon our most common fears, while seemingly completely missing the point that many of of our most common fears are well justified...stupid fuck. IF there is anyone in the world right now CAUSING those fears to be amplified, to be more acknowledged and sensed as real today, it is OBAMA. He is the biggest fear promoter on the planet and not just false fears, but real and justifiable ones...in our fucking faces. Pyromaniac striking matches.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:06 | 6604108 knukles
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Gotta admit, he is one community organizer; from the Island of Misfits in the Land of Chaos

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:14 | 6604136 SofaPapa
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One of the things I try to tell people in my small way is to quit fear.  It's hard, requires spiritual work.  But it's a must.  This dystopia we live in needs one thing above ALL others: people's fear.  If people stop being afraid, government will be changed (gone, hopefully) forever.

Sadly, spitting in the wind.  Fear is such a primal emotion, there's no way enough people can give it up.  So we continue on the path we're on...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:56 | 6604277 Oldwood
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The problem is in mistaking awareness for fear, for mistaking the declaration of threat as fear. Fear is constantly being illustrated as irrational, as an over reaction to a non existent threat. Caution, awareness, knowledge is NOT an irrational response. Voting for someone like OBAMA IS.

Was Paul Revere afraid?

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:44 | 6604500 BigJim
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Probably. Most heroes say they were terrified while they were doing whatever it was for which they were later lionised as heroes.

Or they acted purely on instinct, no fear, no courage, just doing what had to be done, like robots.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:25 | 6605389 bid the soldier...
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Was Nathan Hale afraid?

 

fixed it for you

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:33 | 6604692 HardAssets
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This is no longer ' The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave'

When parents will allow their children to be irradiated by the airport naked body scanners and groped; when they waste money putting armed cops in every school (prison), though the odds are much higher of being hit by lightning than being a victim in a mass shooting - - you know you're dealing with people who are fools and cowards.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:05 | 6604104 blue51
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I concur , as to the slobbering arrogance of Rose. Did you catch Trump's assurance ,  ( MIC) , to future military  spending ?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:39 | 6604225 Oldwood
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From where Obama leaves us there is every chance we will need more military spending. We keep pissing off Russia and China (not to mention many many more) we are likely to end up with something much worse than pearl harbor. And like every other disaster that has either been deliberately created or is simply the collateral damage of other agendas, no one will have seen it coming. I'm not afraid of military spending or even a large military. I'm afraid of the fucks who run our country, who pick fights with anyone and everyone without any idea of how to deal with the blow back, or else are trying to bring us to our knees in order to ensure we will go along with just about anything to be "saved". We have seen how our own government as well as the international community have demonstrated their willingness to use financial failures as an excuse to crush private assets and freedom. What will happen when a country like China calls its loans, given its deep investment in American real estate and industry? Do you think they will just set back and let us work it out? I doubt it. They will demand ownership rights to step in and takeover those financial interests they hold or see as threats to their holdings. Exactly what Dodd Frank was about. Giving governments the right to take over ANY national or international business that threatens their "stability". Economic issues WILL lead to military ones, so unless you want the Chicoms setting policy for your employer and property courts, you best be thinking about a big scary military to warn them off.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 21:12 | 6604866 blue51
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My Bad, for not articulating better , as to Trump saying he wanted to increase military spending.I was not infering that I am against spending .I was  just amused at his promises of bringing manufacturing back to lure that vote, AND assure the MIC , of there interests .Loud and clear.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:07 | 6604107 falak pema
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For our Libertarian friends who hate government and love Putin, here is a statement of Putin's worth meditating :

“To remove the legitimate government would create a situation which you can witness in other countries of the region, for instance Libya, where all the state institutions have disintegrated. We see a similar situation in Iraq. There’s no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the government structure.”

Remember that : To avoid anarchy and  rise of fundamentalist gun toting feudal lords you need government of the people; its also true for the developed nations.

In the words of the Siberian tiger himself !

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:20 | 6604161 falconflight
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No claimed Libertarian not suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome would claim a love for Putin. 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:49 | 6604511 BigJim
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Yeah, they hate their own government, so anyone else hating their government is fine by them.

I wonder if Russian "libertarians" admire Obama for the same reason?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:47 | 6604243 Oldwood
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Only an idiot would choose the societal destruction of the kind of breakdown we are witnessing, but then again, show me this "government of the people". America is witnessing in real time a supreme court legislating from its bench and a president ruling with some belief in his "mandate" using his pen and phone. The imposition of endless rules and laws from agencies with zero accountability to the people. We can't even fire them when they break laws. The best we can do is pay them to do nothing at all...something that few are content with once they have tasted power.

So please don't act like because one tyrant speaks truth to our government's power that we are somehow endorsing his tyranny...only his truth. America has been actively destabilizing country after country for years now, only getting worse and more transparent with each new adventure. It should be very depressing for YOU that Putin exemplifies your greatest dreams.

Enough is enough.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:07 | 6605066 StychoKiller
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Oh good grief!  ANARCHY != CHAOS

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:08 | 6604111 Jack Burton
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Off Topic. Just now I checked CNN to hear about the Putin Obama meeting. CNN talking head said "Obama was polite, listening to Putin tell obvious lies to his face. But in the end Obama knew it was just more lies from Russia, and Obama will disregard the whole affair."

Now, mind you, CNN has no idea what was said in their joint meeting. Obama and Putin said nothing much afterwards. But CNN tells it's audience that "Putin Lied to Obama's Face". I wonder how they learned that so quickly? Or, is it just as we all know. CNN is a zionist whore House of State Department stenographers, writting exactly what the lunatic Neoconservative elites of Government and Media want then to write"!

Each day that passes, the entire western media makes itself more rediculous, irrelevant, and out dated with the same old propaganda straight from State department hand outs.


Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:17 | 6604151 Usurious
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should be called ZNN................ZioNewsNetwork.........

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:05 | 6604321 Oldwood
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I fail to see why you do not understand that respected media sources such as CNN ARE the arbiters of truth, They create truth, invent it when needed. Much like Dan Rather, when caught using fake documents to attack Bush, rightly claimed that while the documents were false, that they in no way disproved the facts or the validity of his story. Or like we have seen with climate change where the "truth" was adjusted to meet desired themes regarding climate and temperatures. Sure, maybe it was all a lie, but it is their responsibility to protect us, especially from our own ignorance, so sure, lie about it. So what if the actual facts were wrong. What was important was the "truth" as they saw it.

So worry not about Putin's proclaimed lies. Sure, maybe they weren't actually lies, but what they were telling us is that we should love and praise Obama for he IS THE TRUTH, all knowing and wise and would only lie to us if it was really necessary, really important to the utopian agenda that he has successfully drug us towards kicking and screaming. Would anyone do that unless they truly loved us?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:09 | 6604335 Grimaldus
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Mostly correct but the neocon reference should be changed to progressive. Yes necons are a problem but progressives are in charge, not idiot neocons.

It's a full blown marxist criminal press man, nothing really neocon about it.

 

 

Grimaldus

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 03:15 | 6605558 stacking12321
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jack burton, you are hilarious.

you start off with "Just now I checked CNN to hear about the Putin Obama meeting."

and end with "Each day that passes, the entire western media makes itself more rediculous, irrelevant, and out dated with the same old propaganda straight from State department hand outs."

the western media is so ridiculous and irrelevant, that you just have to check it.

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:08 | 6604113 atomicwasted
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Thank you for indicating in the article title that this content-free foaming at the mouth is yet another stinking pile of bloviation from Kunstler.  

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:11 | 6604127 BeansMcGreens
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Just hope someone shows Charlie boy Rose this article. Maybe that ugly Gayle whatever her name is that is Oprah's bitch.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:12 | 6604130 Rathmullan
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"the medium is the message" -- Marshall McLuhan

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6604191 o r c k
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"The medium is the MASSAGE".   MM

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:16 | 6604142 Teh Finn
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Kuntsler commenting on Charlie Rose and pootin.

The triumverate of idiocy.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:17 | 6604147 MonetaryDigitalis
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It's the Maw of Anarchy.  So who is the Paw?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:26 | 6604158 Son of Captain Nemo
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9:02 in his "lie".  The quote that will live in infamy...

America you got what you deserve and the fact that after the "white chimp" gave this speech you will do nothing just like you didn't for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria  and "9/11" frames the situation!...

P.S.

He really is the worst President we've ever had and that is hard to say considering how fucking stupid G.W. was... But what does that say about the American people most importantly the U.S. military that allowed the cancer they created to metastasize to where it is now?!!!

 

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:20 | 6604163 Reaper
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The US needs regime change, not Syria. Morons with weapons, media genuflecting to government morons, stupid sheeple trusting obvious liars, while expecting some gods to reward their exceptional stupidity. "Against stupidity the gods rail in vain."

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:20 | 6604164 teslaberry
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charlie rose is doing his job and the u.s. just wants assad dead.

just because you see through the outrageous lies doesn't mean the goal is not simple and defensible.

destroying a nation and killing its people is a simple goal sought by most empires---------including stalin's soviet empire-------------throughout history.

just because you see lies doesn't mean you should shit your pants about reality.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:22 | 6604173 Hannibal
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Putin is too decent, too polite, too much common sense. It's driving me graaaazy!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:25 | 6604185 CheapBastard
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<< Putin is too decent, too polite, too much.... >>

 

Even Reggie has a crush on Putin, a real man!

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:25 | 6604183 bthunder
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Yes, Putin is sooooo smart, so intelligent, so savvy.  And the Western leadership are total morons. 

Well, let'ss see where we are, what exactly America has that it deserves?  $2 gasoline, there are no more troops in the Gulf, USD is highest since 2009.

And what does Russia have?  Gov't revenue cut in half (thanks to oil/gas proces),  China balking at just recently agreed oil prices, currency crushed, FX reserves depleted, interest rates and inflation (obviously) crushing the economy, private businesses and citizens alike.  Already at war with Ukraine, it's in the fight for the economic survival (read: survival of the Putin/oligarch regime) in Syria, because if (when) the pipeline from Qatar to EU is operational, it's "game over" for Puti-poo & Co

Imagine where USA and Russia would have been if USA had a government with just half a brain...

 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:31 | 6604206 o r c k
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But we don't.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:57 | 6604285 bid the soldier...
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dudeface

 if USA had a government with just half a brain...

Neither do you.   The USA disease.  Is it contagious or inherited?   
Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:47 | 6605422 salvadordaly
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bthunder,

sad, I could only give you one vote! You deserve so many more.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:31 | 6604202 gadzooks
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Wow! Great fucking Article! Hats off to you Zero (H)Edge.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:33 | 6604211 HowardBeale
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Political Asylum in Russia seems to be the only reasonable choice, when married by misfortune of birth to a facist government that you can't shoot...

Really! It's time to blow this taco stand.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:53 | 6604264 tarabel
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Not gonna happen, is it? The West may be evil but the weather's great and it's a lot of fun being deliciously decadent, right?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:52 | 6604265 tarabel
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Dos vedanya. Seriously, go. Now. Sell your stuff and buy a ticket.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:57 | 6604284 Killdo
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I've been travelling around the world since March and that was the last time I saw homeless people (in LA). 

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:53 | 6604268 Bastiat
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Orhtodox choral music is awesome.

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 04:08 | 6605588 bluez
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In case you haven’t checked the situation out, Unless you are a multimillionaire or Edward Snowden, you will certainly not be allowed to migrate to Russia. Even if you are a billionaire, I doubt that they will want you. Even in New Zealand, Americans are considered dirty rabid beasts, and they are definitely not wanted (except, sometimes, as cash cow tourists).

Amazing that Afghanistanis can migrate to Sweden but Americans are not wanted anywhere.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:39 | 6604221 Killdo
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Not the first time C. Rose looked like an idiot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTzPmn-87w

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:01 | 6604300 JimS
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" Not the first time C. Rose looked like an idiot", well.... C. Rose is a fucking idiot.... so, he really didn't have to look like one.... when he actually is one.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:47 | 6604238 Grandad Grumps
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The linked documentary "Psywar" should be mandatory watching for every American before they graduate junior high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eB046f998U

Charlie Rose should watch it twice to understand what "he" really is and why he would be better off in a more reputable profession.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 18:55 | 6604272 American Sucker
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Putin's not a good guy, and he cares about Syria for the same reason the US does: he wants to maintain control of Pipelandia.

For some reason, American journalists are in love with "Gotcha!" questions.  I figure it's the part of the American disease that elevates personal morality over hard, systemic thinking.  These questions even seem to work well on American power-brokers, who work surprisingly hard to avoid charges of hypocrisy.  But Putin doesn't care if you think he's a good dude.  Spring a "Gotcha!" question on him, and he'll calmly explain that your whole premise is stupid and hypocritical.  You just don't see that sort of intelligence at work in the US media very often.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:21 | 6604392 bid the soldier...
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Kudos.

 

You chose your name well.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:00 | 6604296 Grimaldus
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All I got to say about Charlie Rose, 60 Minutes, CBS and the Obirdbrain regime is:

 

The progressive stupid, it burns.

 

 

 

 

Grimaldus

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:13 | 6604350 tarabel
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Maybe Kunstler's right.

We've got him AND Charlie, don't we?

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:19 | 6604379 RichardParker
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But, but, but... Business Insider said that "85% of what Putin said was unmitigated bullshit."

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-un-speech-isis-coalition-problem-20...

muhahahahahahahahaha...

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:55 | 6604804 RopeADope
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Business Insider was quoting someone who was implying "100% of what Obama said is bullshit, sad that Putin is more relevant than Obama"

Seeing that a Business Insider algo wrote the damn story no one realized what was actually said.

This is why Common Core must prevail. To rid the world of implied words that AI will never be able to understand.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 22:52 | 6605205 SofaPapa
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I said my final goodbye to Business Insider in 2012.  I have a distant connection to Henry Blodget, and for a while I would engage with him in the comments.  It was his reaction to Ron Paul that tipped me off.  He and I explicitly defined our points of view.  Mine: journalists report the support a candidate receives or does not receive, and individuals decide whether to support that person.  Individuals thereby determine the likelihood a candidate is elected.  Blodget's: journalists judge whether a candidate has a platform that in their judgment can lead to election.  If the candidate's platform is 'unelectable', then journalists need not cover them.  I am paraphrasing.  But the gist of it was that because Blodget decided Paul was "unelectable" (his own word), he was not bound to cover him.  It was his prerogative, as a journalist, to declare Paul unelectable.  It was quite a dialog, stuck with me.  Very emblematic of how the status quo views its role in the world: present the leaders they find "electable" for the little people to choose among.

As I said, I've never been back.  

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:06 | 6605367 Dickweed Wang
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But, but, but... Business Insider said that "85% of what Putin said was unmitigated bullshit."

Business Insider - the paragon of truth - along with CNBC, Bloomberg, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC . . . . . they wouldn't say/print it if it wasn't true!  And the check's in the mail, and I won't come in your mouth . . . .

Real eyes

Realize

Real lies

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:56 | 6605499 Bloodstock
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Bullshit INsider.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:22 | 6604398 PoasterToaster
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The only 2 ways you could say "America" has gotten what it deserves:

1) You equate America with the US Government

2) You insist that the people who live in the territory dominated by the US Government have a moral duty to violently destroy the US Government.

This silly notion that voting properly would have fixed everything needs to be stopped every time these blowhards give us crap about not following their -isms and other fetishes.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:31 | 6604443 bid the soldier...
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The only difference between Obama and his cast of freak show dwarfs, Cameron, Rutte, Hollande, et alia, and the host of rebel angels described by Milton, is that the latter freely admit the evilness of their evil ways while the former are so self-deceived they feel no responsiblity for the hundreds of thousands of deaths they've caused.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 23:41 | 6604507 Things that go bump
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Incomparable buffoon? I think not. Trump is certainly less buffoonish, even with that ridiculous comb-over he insists on wearing, when compared with our glorious 43rd President, George W. Bush, whose bumbling, inarticulate inanities can fill me with awe, even in retrospect today. Who can forget the vision of President Bush performing an impromtu and highly impressionistic version of a tribal dance by himself when being entertained by a group of African musicians? As far as buffoonery is concerned I would argue that George W. Bush is in a class by himself and totally without peer or parallel - a true master. We've already demonstrated that being a buffoon is no bar to the Office of President of the United States. I thank God that they are both Republicans.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 19:53 | 6604525 loveyajimbo
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Kunt-lips Cuntsler is such a typical hysterical phaggot... sure Charlie Rose made a fool of himself, just like Obongo does every day... but let's cut to the REAL issue... Cuntsler is having a hissy because he hasn't been bent over a barrel by a sweaty, well hung truck driver for weeks...

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 00:36 | 6605398 damicol
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fucking silly kike. STFU

Tue, 09/29/2015 - 01:55 | 6605498 Bloodstock
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South Park creators just proved who owns them as well.

Mon, 09/28/2015 - 20:01 | 6604553 Lorca's Novena
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Attention Non US peoples here, we have no control over our corrupt politicians.... Whenever we have some kind of evidence we get the Michael Hastings treatment... If we decide to rise up we will be dead before we even see the drone overhead. 

 

And Hitlery will be our next president regardless of what she has done. Were fooked.

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