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Paul Craig Roberts: Obama Deifies American Hegemony
Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,
Today is the 70th anniversary of the UN. It is not clear how much good the UN has done. Some UN Blue Hemet peacekeeping operations had limited success. But mainly Washington has used the UN for war, such as the Korean War and Washington’s Cold War against the Soviet Union. In our time Washington had UN tanks sent in against Bosnian Serbs during the period that Washington was dismantling Yugoslavia and Serbia and accusing Serbian leaders, who tried to defend the integrity of their country against Washington’s aggression, of “war crimes.”
The UN supported Washington’s sanctions against Iraq that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children. When asked about it, Clinton’s Secretary of State said, with typical American heartlessness, that the deaths of the children were worth it.
In 2006 the UN voted sanctions against Iran for exercising its right as a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty to develop atomic energy. Washington claimed without any evidence that Iran was building a nuclear weapon in violation of the non-proliferation treaty, and this lie was accepted by the UN. Washington’s false claim was repudiated by all 16 US intelligence agencies and by the International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors on the ground in Iran, but in the face of the factual evidence the US government and its presstitute media pressed the claim to the point that Russia had to intervene and take the matter out of Washington’s warmonger hands. Russia’s intervention to prevent US military attacks on Iran and Syria resulted in the demonization of Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin. “Facts?!, Washington don’t need no stinkin’ facts! We got power!” Today at the UN Obama asserted America’s over-riding power many times: the strongest military in the world, the strongest economy in the world.
The UN has done nothing to stop Washington’s invasions and bombings, illegal under international law, of seven countries or Obama’s overthrow by coup of democratic governments in Honduras and Ukraine, with more in the works.
The UN does provide a forum for countries and populations within countries that are suffering oppression to post complaints—except, of course, for the Palestinians, who, despite the boundaries shown on maps and centuries of habitation by Palestinians, are not even recognized by the UN as a state.
On this 70th anniversary of the UN, I have spent much of the day listening to the various speeches. The most truthful ones were delivered by the presidents of Russia and Iran. The presidents of Russia and Iran refused to accept the Washington-serving reality or Matrix that Obama sought to impose on the world with his speech. Both presidents forcefully challenged the false reality that the propagandistic Western media and its government masters seek to create in order to continue to exercise their hegemony over everyone else.
What about China? China’s president left the fireworks to Putin, but set the stage for Putin by rejecting US claims of hegemony: “The future of the world must be shaped by all countries.” China’s president spoke in veiled terms against Western neoliberal economics and declared that “China’s vote in the UN will always belong to the developing countries.”
In the masterly way of Chinese diplomacy, the President of China spoke in a non-threatening, non-provocative way. His criticisms of the West were indirect. He gave a short speech and was much applauded.
Obama followed second to the President of Brazil, who used her opportunity for PR for Brazil, at least for the most part. Obama gave us the traditional Washington spiel:
The US has worked to prevent a third world war, to promote democracy by overthrowing governments with violence, to respect the dignity and equal worth of all peoples except for the Russians in Ukraine and Muslims in Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan.
Obama declared Washington’s purpose to “prevent bigger countries from imposing their will on smaller ones.” Imposing its will is what Washington has been doing throughout its history and especially under Obama’s regime.
All those refugees overrunning Europe? Washington has nothing to do with it. The refugees are the fault of Assad who drops bombs on people. When Assad drops bombs it oppresses people, but when Washington drops bombs it liberates them. Obama justified Washington’s violence as liberation from “dictators,” such as Assad in Syria, who garnered 80% of the vote in the last election, a vote of confidence that Obama never received and never will.
Obama said that it wasn’t Washington that violated Ukraine’s sovereignty with a coup that overthrew a democratically elected government. It was Russia, whose president invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimera and is trying to annex the other breakaway republics, Russian populations who object to the Russophobia of Washington’s puppet government in Ukraine.
Obama said with a straight face that sending 60 percent of the US fleet to bottle up China in the South China Sea was not an act of American aggression but the protection of the free flow of commerce. Obama implied that China was a threat to the free flow of commerce, but, of course, Washington’s real concern is that China is expanding its influence by expanding the free flow of commerce.
Obama denied that the US and Israel employ violence. This is what Russia and Syria do, asserted Obama with no evidence. Obama said that he had Libya attacked in order to “prevent a massacre,” but, of course, the NATO attack on Libya perpetrated a massacre, an ongoing one. But it was all Gaddafi’s fault. He was going to massacre his own people, so Washington did it for him.
Obama justified all of Washington’s violence against millions of peoples on the grounds that Washington is well-meaning and saving the world from dictators. Obama attempted to cover up Washington’s massive war crimes, crimes that have killed and displaced millions of peoples in seven countries, with feel good rhetoric about standing up to dictators.
Did the UN General Assembly buy it? Probably the only one present sufficiently stupid to buy it was the UK’s Cameron. The rest of Washington’s vassals went through the motion of supporting Obama’s propaganda, but there was no conviction in their voices.
Vladimir Putin would have none of it. He said that the UN works, if it works, by compromise and not by the imposition of one country’s will, but after the end of the Cold War “a single center of domination arose in the world”—the “exceptional” country. This country, Putin said, seeks its own course which is not one of compromise or attention to the interests of others.
In response to Obama’s speech that Russia and its ally Syria wear the black hats, Putin said in reference to Obama’s speech that “one should not manipulate words.”
Putin said that Washington repeats its mistakes by relying on violence which results in poverty and social destruction. He asked Obama: “Do you realize what you have done?”
Yes, Washington realizes it, but Washington will not admit it.
Putin said that “ambitious America accuses Russia of ambitions” while Washington’s ambitions run wild, and that the West cloaks its aggression as fighting terrorism while Washington finances and encourages terrorism.
The President of Iran said that terrorism was created by the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and by US support for the Zionist destruction of Palestine.
Obama’s speech made clear that Washington accepts no responsibility for the destruction of the lives and prospects of millions of Muslims. The refugees from Washington’s wars who are overflowing Europe are the fault of Assad, Obama declared.
Obama’s claim to represent “international norms” was an assertion of US hegemony, and was recognized as such by the General Assembly.
What the world is faced with is two rogue anti-democratic governments—the US and Israel—that believe that their “exceptionalism” makes them above the law. International norms mean Washington’s and Israel’s norms. Countries that do not comply with international norms are countries that do not comply with Washington and Israel’s dictates.
The presidents of Russia, China, and Iran did not accept Washington’s definition of “international norms.”
The lines are drawn. Unless the American people come to their senses and expel the Washington warmongers, war is our future.
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Obama is just a Bushman in black face.
PTB picks the prez, voters just get to pull the levers.
Dumb fucks.
Washington accepts no responsibility
Yep, Obozo accepts no responsibility for his many failures or any of his multitude of lies...
And his sycophant MSM covers for him every step of the way.
Winter, and war, is coming. The ultimate bread and circus is (world) war. Plus it serves to reset the economic bubble machine by destroying a lot of capital and assets. Everybody get ready to salute the flag or be jailed for refusing.
Zionism and central banking. What else is there to say?
The CONNED-sumate insider, PCR, cannot call the emperor nekkid....
Which would be the MIC/CIA/NSA trifecta...as if these leaders matter.
Kind of funny, pointing fingers at fighting puppets...
Here's a brief video where he says the US is a puppet state of Israel, which isn't exactly the same as the MIC/CIA/NSA that you mention, but maybe he has a slightly different viewpoint.
Israel owns US Government (07-12-10)
"As long as the U.S. is a puppet state of Israel, ..."
MIC/CIA/NSA is largely run by dual shittyzens, at the top anyways....will check out the link...
Remember all the bergers and the shitsteins...
Actually, later on in the video he says, "The U.S. government does not represent the American people, it represents the military/security complex, it represents the israel lobby, it represents Wall Street, the oil companies, the insurance industries, ...". Should have listened to the whole thing before posting.
Yup, that about sums it up right there...
Funny thing how Islam doesn't get a bad rap in these Merica bad articles.
Why would it? The USofAmerica is a Zionist state.
If you want to criticise Islam then write an article critical of Islam. If you want to criticise the way the Western Zionists have used Islam as a cover for the expansion of their empire then write that article.
This is an article about the USA, something completely different.
Who still thinks Americas hard line behavior is sustainable? Not me.
It is sustainable........right up to launch.
speaking of dual (ha!) loyalty citizens, is everyone up to speed on the rabbi pentagon controller who oversaw the books when $2.3 trillion went missing early in the bush administration (announced on 9-11) and also ran the company that sold a machine to u.s. airlines that allowed someone on the ground to take control of the plane and fly it wherever, no matter what the on board crew did? sold to prevent "hijackings" (at the time the last one domestically was d.b. cooper in the '70's).
http://www.rense.com/general75/latest.htm
check this guy out. he's at least as crucial to how 9-11 was done as larry silverstein. that name, is it dutch?
mind by mind. do your part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
"But it was all Gaddafi’s fault. He was going to massacre his own people, so Washington did it for him."
I love that line! Sums up the mindset of what the followers of the MSM will accept for reality beautifully.
The British Empire was built on the back of traders and missionaries who left the cleanup to the British military whether it was the failure of The John Company in India or of the Rhodesia Company or of the Jameson Raid
Saw that speech (or most of it). Either this man is oblivious to the injustices that are beholden to this government or he is a complete hypocrite. Not sure which it is. Egomania seems to cloud the mind and this President has a very healthy ego to say the least.
Thank you PCR. Would love to sit down and have a beer with you some time.
Hey negative rates, you called it. Text is too skinny here. See comment below http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-29/paul-craig-roberts-obama-deifies-american-hegemony#comment-6610366
@ORI,
did u mean the shitSTAINS bear?
Yo, socalbeach, much appreciated the video you linked [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BdUINdoRwM ] when I finally got to it. The second 6 minutes immediately linked to the initial few minutes really sum up his views (and this is an interview done during the BP Gulf oil "spill" . . . early Barry Obola daze.
I've just started following PCR in the past year and that was an extra bit that really filled out my measure of the man.
Thanks, Dude!
Oh regional Indian,
Are you kidding !? s/
Obama makes all the decisions for Americans. s/
He is the ONE who sees and pursues ALL courses of action. s/
Financial, social, political, local, state, national and international. s/
As he is the ONE who works for and has HOPE(and peace) for the world. s/
Ineptitude and inaction of the US population; is 100% responsible.
Have you ever tried to remove a Section 8 renter?
The only 'rights' you have are the ones that you can secure yourself.
Once you understand that, all things become clear.
yup... it's just as easy as a non sectoin 8 renter.
Just like with any renter, as long as you have evidense they are in violation of the lease, it takes just as long with section 8 as any other tennant.
Debt-Money Monopolists control both (and a lot more) for the benefit of their oligarch club and NOBODY ELSE.
Ordinary Israelis are screwed like the rest of us.
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the Debt-Money Monopolists (sic).
~Lord Acton
"Freak as commander in chief"?
universal war ("...—the US and Israel—that believe that their “exceptionalism” makes them above the law.)
credits (#7)" : http://tinyurl.com/yd66y79
Yep, the modern day version of "Swallowing the Dog"
There was a saying in Berlin "they cannot jail us all'.
Don't enlist; modern weaponry needs volunteers, not crowds of prickly conscripts.
US Presidents are the Badgad Bob of the person/group behind the curtain.
All US Presidents. There is no difference.
We need to look for the curtain and show people who/what is behind it.
Baghdad Bob was no more credible, but he was at least funny.
Toto already did that, our interpretation of it was wrong, smart dog that was.
You're "Yen Cross" aren't you? I just noticed that.
The Bushmen of Southern Africa were hunted down and murdered by Sig Heil Obamites many years ago. They were a gentle people who had no aspirations other than to raise their families, sing, dance and tell stories. The mercenary class of today are eggregious mutations who should be rounded up and fed to lions, tigers, hyenas and vultures. Let's just hope they are not reincarnated. I pray to never be exposed to their ilk EVER again.
UN Blue helmets traded food aid for sex and raped children in the Congo. Ask Rwandans about the UN.
It's true. A bunch of Indian "peace" keepers were charged with that shit in Africa ops for the UN.
Everybody knows the truth, nobody that is in the lime-light dares to speak it...
Oh regional Indian, it depends on your definition of limelight. Podium in UNGA? :
Similarly, the important and indispensable work ofUN peacekeepers around the world must be above reproach. The United Nations must claim responsibility not only for their successes but their occasional grave failures. Our collective sanctimony rings hollow when the United Nations shirks its undeniable responsibility for spreading cholera in Haiti, to the tune of 9,400 deaths and over 400,000 hospitalised. Legal loopholes cannot mask moral responsibility in this case. Nor can we condemn sexual violence as a war crime while shrugging off the unacceptable actions of some UN Peacekeepers in the Central African Republic. Our Assembly has a responsibility to be open and transparent, to meet these sporadic failings head on, and to offer redress to all victims of peacekeeper negligence or aggression. Mr. President on Wednesday...
Statement By Dr. the Honourable Ralph E° GonsMves Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines At the General Debate of the 70th Session of the United Nations General Assembly 29th September, 2015 New York
"We are all labouring in this vineyard. We must have a labour of Love. Of Love. Of Love."
------------------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiRuj2_czzw
RUSH/Moving Pictures/ LImelight - 1981
The Nobel Prize Winner has bombed seven Muslim countries (Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan), destabilized Ukraine, routinely droned women and children and wedding parties, created ISIS, backed the Saudi invasion of Yemen, lied about Assad's use of sarin - the list of his crimes is legion.
All you need is a few law enforcement types with their uniforms on to walk into the WH and arrest that sob and his predecssors for war crimes and crimes against humanity and then take him to Gitmo to await his trial. That should shake up those warmongering establisment types in their boots.
It is easy to push a button to remotely murder, it is another to face justice.
Damn JO, you lobbying for him getting a 2nd Nobel?
Obama has destroyed or destabilized secular middle eastern regimes in order to create chaos, allow the installation of aggressive Islamic fundamentalist regimes, and pave the way for the Muslim invasion of Europe and the United States.
Saying he's "bombed Muslim countries" isn't specific enough to describe exactly what he has been up to.
Indeed...well specified BB...
Indeed, indeed. How's the music goin', ORI?
Waiter, can we have a plate of consequences please?
We fucked over some folks...
All but some folks are about to get fucked over.
War is also our present. And Americans have no power to remove the DC brigades. Overthrow whom? And to replace with whom? PCR is strident, but has few answers...
If even 10% of the US population would pull their money out of the banks, stop paying taxes, and speak out about the monster in DC the neocons would be crippled. There is no need for offense against the State, it will collapse of its own weight if the productive among the serfs would simply withdraw their support.
Unplug TV, Hollywood, ball games and facebook. dumb sheep.
Good point Vidar.
The State insures complicity by making the citizens depend on it for sustenance.
How many people are self sufficient enough to resist? Very few that have the wealth or resources to disconnect would actually be inclined to do so. It's hard to starve them out when they own a printing press.
It's going to require dedicated cohorts of maquisards to interrupt and impede the ability of the State to respond to challenges to their authority. Certain French colonial military types learned this art by example from the progenitors of the Viet-Mihn, the anti-colonial resistance movement and used it against the Germans to good effect during WWII.
Who said anything about Americans having to remove the seat of American power? Leave it to a higher power.
Wow. You mean all we have to do to avoid WWIII is vote No??
Really?
Avoid WWIII? Break up into seperate countries. Return to gold. Let them invade Washington and NYC. Peace treaty. Pay them for doing our dirty work.
The mice that roared?
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/a-wonderful-life-in-a-worl...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/germanys-jewish-problem/
Israeli-Neocons own both Israel and the US because they have been very good at long-term political propaganda campaigns.
The American public is absolutely complicit in the shit show of U.S foreign policy. I was there when they were buying desert storm t-shirts. I watched everyday people cheering bulldozed Iraqi bodies. When they were joining the Marines to "payback" Saddam. When we entered Fallujah. I watched them all flying their flags and lapping up the msm lies. They loved it when we took down Qadaffi. These are just some of the twilight zone memories I have of the last 25 years. Now they're crying about refugees and ptsd. Americans are petulant children, quick to display righteous indignation. They will never actually sit quiet for one moment and try to have an original thought. They will believe the same old packaged bullshit lies over and over just to get back to the sports game quicker. The only way they will ever learn is to be beaten within an inch of their lives and left to pick up the pieces if they can. Which is coming. Soon. Are you offended? Good. I sure as hell am.
Well are #1 in propaganda and idiots.
And the rest of the world is pure as the driven snow, right? Read some history. The US has been on top and playing big dog a while but they sure as shit didn't invent the game. And if and when America falls, there will be another as bad or worse taking its place. The important thing is not to be denigrating your own country or anyone else's, but looking ahead at how to survive. Once things reach this level, personal principles will just get you killed. There are more people on the planet than have died since humans came to exist. The murder, mayhem and killing have not nearly begun yet. As the saying goes...you ain't seen nothing yet.
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
Seriously. Oldwood's kind of opinion is precisely the weird but thinly veneered illusion of civility and educated opinion that dominates America/cans.
Chinese/Russians/Indians/Brazilians...all of us have problems, but none have 1,700 military bases worldwide or a Zio-dominated control complex that is all too trigger happy...
And what exactly in the history of humanity leads you to believe that war IS NOT an inevitability? And even without war people have killed millions in their pursuit of absolute power. Communist Soviets and Chinese Maoists come to mind readily, but fascist Germany played a huge role. How is it to be avoided? With UN single world government strategies? With absolute control of financial and information technologies? Take the US out of this entirely and you will find another short list of do-gooders and bad guys all willing to kill, to destroy the planet if needed to make their point. The thin veneer of civility is real. Strip it from the skin of any of us and be surprised how quickly the vicious animal pops out. I mean really. There is no nation,no culture that has not demonstrated this to one degree or another. For some the veneer is only a semiopaque film at best. Take a walk in the inner city of about anywhere today to find out how thinly veiled the animal spirits are.
Oldwood, do you inherently want a peaceful world or one full of war?
Have you heard the stories of young recruits firing above and below but never AT targets in vietnam? Till they were brutalized and propagandized and drugged enough that they became what they did, animals.
Those flames of animal spirits have been fanned...every time, all the the way back into history when the wrong kind of people weasled or cheated or fought their way into power.
But really, ask your-self that question first.
If you believe war is a given, it will find you. If you believe peace is our in-herent state, you will find it. Inside first.
Old hermetic maxim, a truism if there ever was one...As with-in, so with-out...
Please stop. Are you going to next break into song? This kind of hopium is madness. The kind of shit that is destroying people's lives around the world. It's called DELUSION. If only...if only we BELIEVED strongly enough, right? Hope and change? Fundamental change, right? People better keep their damned heads up and be looking around because no matter what you HOPE for, shit is coming. If pacifism actually worked, wars would have been obsolete centuries ago....or are you enough of a new age enlightenment type that you think you have reached some new never before experienced plateau? Pacifists enable this shit. They sit on their hands hoping and praying that "goodness" will prevail, only to find themselves under the tracks of a tank. The best prevention of war is the willingness to fight...at all levels. The willingness to fight your government at the most base level and the undeniable willingness to fight another nation if needed, will best preserve our freedoms AND reduce the chance of a battle. America COULD be a force for peace through overwhelming threat of force, a nation so fierce as to prevent anyone from picking a fight. Instead we feign weakness around the world while picking fights, agitating conflict everywhere. America has created the most dangerous paradigm that has ever existed. War is coming, not just because we have planted the seeds but because we have demonstrated weakness that gives our opponents hope of victory.
Do you mean to tell me that peaceful protest doesn't work?
I always believed it was a very effective means to bring about change.
How about.....?
And the time when......
Let's not forget Occupy Wall Street. Awesome results right there in front of on the TeeVee.
Yup, peaceful protest is certainly the way to go.
I never said war is not coming. I am saying it is not our inherent nature, as you suggest it is.
FORCE FOR PEACE...Oxymoron...
So you do not believe that your obvious ability for self defense is a deterrent to attack? Or that apparent weakness is an invitation for attack? Did you ever watch national geographic with the lions and antelopes? Human nature is not the same as animal nature? Really? We are that evolved? How can you possibly explain what you see happening daily? Yes, there are naturally pacifists, even in the animal world, but the still rely on some sort of defenses. They do not exist in denial of their threats. And once weakened, aged or disabled, they are quickly "consumed".
Human nature is not the same as animal nature? Really? We are that evolved?
You show me an antelope, or a lion, that can type up this sentence and communicate this very thought like you just did and I will agree with you. We are very, very different indeed from the animals. There is no reason why we should languish with the worst of expectations about your fellow man.
Humans are far from perfect but your view drags us all down to the lowest common denominator of a sad, hopeless bully. Living in fear of everyone and everything is your choice - don't make everyone else live this way. This goes for both you, personally, and America.
Some of the most murderous fuckers on the planet were VERY literate. My perspective on humans is NOT conjured or invented, it is observational, historical. Our intelligence provides a convenient screen of rationalization that enables us all types of horrors, that in many cases far exceed any we would see in nature. To suggest it is our animal nature that perpetuates war is likely giving us far TOO much credit.
But please do, keep conjuring images of Mother Teresa as our norm and expecting others to magically fall in line. We constantly keep trying to live by the exception rather than the norm. I believe that I'm am stating the obvious, be it as depressing as it is. Ignore history, reality, at your own risk. It is not to languish to simply recognize reality when it is in your face. It is simply a choice.
There is no harm in hope for a better future, no harm in working towards it where possible, but to delude ourselves into believing that belief, in itself, is transformative, is no different than the lies of every tyrant, religious or simply ideological, has used to oppress and murder millions.
Hope for the best and plan for the worst, and that requires a clear view of risk...one that IS NOT served by blind optimism.
It is the pinnacle of delusion to suggest that somehow America, in all of its evil and/or misguided deeds is exceptional in this, that this hasn't been the way it always has been.Count the bodies through history.
The answers are both simple, and complex. The simple answer is that we evolved from an ape, the complex part is managing that with the development of the brain, animal spirits are brought out with various drugs and when not managed properly lead directly to war. And war is derived from the elderly, who have always sent their youth into battle over their beliefs, right or wrong. Leading to the age old question of, why did God give power to his childern?
Rudyard Kipling:
"A DEAD STATESMAN
I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?"
If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.
very well said. Psychopaths want everyone to believe war is the norm
And it has not been?
I knew I shouldn't have read all those history books.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM
Jesus Christ OldWood you are taxing on the patience. First of all I am not in any way making an argument for or against war. I AM arguing against misguided foreign policy, that benefits a select few. Second, Show me that any of your above examples did not depend on a willingly populace. You are actually again supporting my main point, which is that the American public is not an innocent group of fledglings, but instead have a majority that absolutely favor the direction our country has taken. There is a reason that the inner cities are the way they are. Can you guess why? I know why, because I have first hand experience. It's called "Me first fuck everyone else".
And I am not arguing with you other than to suggest that it is not JUST Americans. This mentality is pervasive in all humans to varying degrees,and large!y a product of circumstance and opportunity. I'm tired of people looking for a villain here when the villian resides in all of us, just waiting for a knock on the door. Those most committed to nonviolence simply are the first victims, and many times are the result of indoctrination through religion and culture. They have been disarmed. A pacifist utopian doctrine is a failed dream. We had best buck up and spend a little less time pointing fingers and come to realize that war, that violence, is part of us, and while we should not promote violence or war, we should always prepare for it as the best means of preventing it. Risk awareness is our greatest Allie. Denial is our greatest threat.
Fair enough, I'll just say that the way to overcome villainy is through the exercise of the intellect. Which is in short supply. Not intellect, but the exercise of it.
"Until they become conscious they will never rebel and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."
I guess that about says it all.
I think k its pretty hard to outsmart violence. Violent people aren't usually great thinkers. They want or they fear and they act....unless their fear is great enough to stop them. Some, like radical Muslims are different as they do not fear death as it is an honor to die for Allah. They are more afraid of failing Allah, looking weak. So intelligence can possibly still play a role. My fatalistic view is that death is inevitable but not necessarily imminent if a person is willing to act. Lots of villians in the world.....everywhere. Some even have just cause which only increases their threat. America has been stirring the pot for years but we have lots of players..Germans selling arms, Pakistanis selling nuke technology. China busily hacking and building military strength. Israel plotting and pushing their agenda. One big clusterfuck. Inevitable...again.
A wise man once told me : "Do not fear death, yet never chase it."
America is chasing death.
The fall of America should not be delayed simply because history dictates another will take its place.
In fact, denying the completion of the circle, by your own arguement, is against our very nature and liable to destroy us completely.
I think you are pounding the right nail, LS. The USSA is becoming a death cult society soon to outpace the nazis. Worship technology and death. Can't wait till the military starts wearing deathheads on their uniforms. Always near the end at that point.
Well, as being an American, you will have to excuse me if I'm in no hurry to fall on my sword. While it is inarguable that America has brought this onto itself, it has also simultaneously indoctrinated a self hate in society that seemingly urges it towards suicide, to yearn for their own destruction. A sad theater of the absurd. Code pink lining up in unrelenting support of Obama, and while he renders destruction and mayhem around the world they go silent...no, invisible. Yet, we remain solidly antiwar.
There is a strong contingent inside and out of America that desperately seeks its defeat.
For people to effect change, change within ourselves, the first thing required is to KNOW ones self. To acknowledge our weaknesses, not deny them. Our problem is humanity and until we focus on that, on those things which drive people to do stupid and destructive things, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Of course our first response is to DESTROY those who offend, that demonstrate these negative attributes, but of course to do so, makes you one in the same. Only rationalized in justice, like those before you had not done the same rationalizations.
You are taking a more conciliatory tone Oldwood, I think more people will consider your points this way.
One thing I don't see discussed here is how we 'instinctively' form ourselves into hierarchies, 'Leaders lead, the mob follows', so has it ever been! There are lots of examples of Herd behavior in other parts of the animal kingdom we should examine if we hope to avoid the same behavior!
It is late in the day for fundamental changes in human behavior to occur, once us verses them mentality captures the herd critical thinking disappears, as individules we have some power of preception, as a herd we follow the leader where ever that leads us.
I advise all, do what you are told to do, I know I will!
A brilliant man once said "Think for yourself, question authority."
Is the soundest advice I have heard or could give.
You are taking a more conciliatory tone Oldwood, I think more people will consider your points this way.
One thing I don't see discussed here is how we 'instinctively' form ourselves into hierarchies, 'Leaders lead, the mob follows', so has it ever been! There are lots of examples of Herd behavior in other parts of the animal kingdom we should examine if we hope to avoid the same behavior!
It is late in the day for fundamental changes in human behavior to occur, once us verses them mentality captures the herd critical thinking disappears, as individules we have some power of preception, as a herd we follow the leader where ever that leads us.
I advise all, do what you are told to do, I know I will!
More "exceptional" arguments by Oldwood and shifting of blame. 'Yeah America wants war but so does everyone else", sorry pal, I think the Russians and the Chinese and the Europeans have had a gutful of war, they didn't get to lie back, send wheat and arms, and mop up. American GIs sacrificed alot but how many American *civilian* casualties were there? How many cities bombed flat? Last time the goose-steppers marched into Russia they lost 12 million people...and America has the gall to back Ukrainian Nazis marching under the same banner on their borders? China lost 20 million last time the Japanese came calling. When was the last time Iran invaded a country? (I think it was under Darius you friggin fool).
after Darius was Alexander the Great. Don't know who started the original Iraq vs Iran War..
I'm not shifting blame for anyone. Simply pointing out that war has been the standard. Just because a destroyed Europe has been without war for sixty years means nothing on any real time scale. Watch closely as they percolate a new one as we speak. Defeated japan is arming up again, as is China. Look around, the whole world is gearing up for it. America is instrumental in this ...on many levels. But there are few true innocents, and when the shit hits the fan, we will see what we have always seen. You can't have pacifists that stand up for themselves or anyone else. You either disarm and capitulate to whomever demands it, or resist. Iran resists...they are not pacifists. Few, if any are. This will lead us to war, and those who demand capitulation will blame those who will not capitulate, as will the opposites. How does this end peacefully? We can readily blame the strong bully, which is America today, but who will take their place...for someone will. This inevitability does not in anyway suggest we should embrace it or urge it on. Far from it, but to accept that our death is inevitable does not mean it is imminent, or that we should rush towards it, only be aware, and live accordingly. There is nothing shocking about the coming war. It is predictable as many many here have been doing for years. Am I some new doomsayer on ZH all of the sudden? I thought this was all rather obvious, but I guess you just can't say it out loud. Delusions can be delicate.
Actually Darius' son Xerses, did quite a bit of invading himself.
Darius was entitled to Greece, DAMMIT.
You people just don't understand...
What is coming is World War III. It's so close, you can smell it.
See you all on the plains of Megiddo.
Yes indeed, a strole through The Valley of Jehoshaphat.
Don't you get it, Oldwood?
But they refined it to a fairtheewell.
Since you were Youngwood or Greenwood or Morningwood, there has been a CIA agent posing as a diplomatic officer in practically every US Embassy.
And that CIA agent's job is to watch for that country's up and coming, attractive politicians. Ones who have the ability to rise to the top.
Once they've been identified, citizens of that country who work for the CIA, offer them innocent bribes, or the ability to caress the genitals of teenage boys and girls. They are followed and incriminating photos are taken, whenever possible.
None of this comes to light until they become PM or FM or head of the central bank or CEO of the country's largest corporation.
That's when the threat of exposure is what the CIA hints at to get laws passed or foreign policy taken.
The victims do what they're told. It's too embarrassing to contemplate honesty.
The US (CIA) gets what it wants from Merkel or Hollande or the thieves in Bucharest and Sofia.
Did you think the CIA spends its annual stipend of $50 billion on popcorn?
And your alternative? If you are correct, we likely have many justified enemies, many likely living within our own borders given our immigration circumstances. Regardless of what America is guilty of or deserves, war is coming I believe. If this is true, are we to surrender, or simply commit ritual suicide? Obama has done everything possible to ensure we are drawn into a war we most definitely will lose. We have decimated our soldiers will to fight by dragging them through the shit of the last ten years. And we have destroyed ANY public support for war as well. But war we will have, and even though we have not won a war in sixty years, we have never had to openly admit defeat as we will with what is coming. All of this is stupid yet devious to a cause. That of chaos that results in a forced capitulation to a central power...a UN type of governance that supersedes our constitution and laws, just as every other wartime defeat has destroyed constitutions, legal structures and established cultural norms. I will still contend that war is one inevitable but I will also contend that this may well be the last for a long time. People should be happy living in their guilded cages because a one world government will be exactly that.
Cheer up, Oldwood. Consider the Orwellian alternative. Consider Hobbesianism and the sovereignity of Big Brother.
You can't deny that man is basically evil. Sure, each one of us has a few moments a year of goodness, but that hardly outweighs all the lies and the keeping of too much change.
And the politicians who will become the 'inner party'. Was there ever a more dishonest group of thieves, except for those who sailed 300 years ago under the black flag with a skull and bones on it?
The major governments of today, like you, do not want a war which will become a nuclear one.
Ergo mundi est omnis divisa in partes tres",
Oceania, Eastasia, Eurasia.
I'm afraid the people don't deserve much more.
We are witnessing the worst human behavior that can exist, this does not mean it is sustainable, only that we are the ones who get to witness it, we are also the ones who get to neutralize it once the time comes, when that time comes, know that you are one of the ones at the controls, it may not bring you peace of mind now or then, but your others were not able to live your life either, ergo the phrase, God sacrifised his first born so sinners could continue to be, sinners.
We haven't witnessed anything yet. Lets see China on a war path. Now that would be something to see...hopefully never.
See, I do have hope...its just very very small and hard to see without a microscope!
At least they waited till Xi made his speech at the UNGA.
There's a limit to how long war by tit-for-tat can last.
Especially when one side is using explosives and the other side currency devaluations.
The "worst human behavior that can exist" is just 'vanity' on your part. Human behavior has always been as disgusting as it is now.
You are confusing man's developments in techonology, with his disgusting behavior.
And why drag God into it? One man's God is another man's Groucho Marx. Religion today presents God as the lowest possible denominator.
My God is much more believable. He is a God who doesn't want anybody to know anything about Him. Not His name, where He lives, how He died and what' He's going do for you when you die.
Just that He created everything so STFU and try and be good.
Don't you get it, Oldwood?
But they refined it to a fairtheewell.
Since you were Youngwood or Greenwood or Morningwood, there has been a CIA agent posing as a diplomatic officer in practically every US Embassy.
And that CIA agent's job is to watch for that country's up and coming, attractive politicians. Ones who have the ability to rise to the top.
Once they've been identified, citizens of that country who work for the CIA, offer them innocent bribes, or the ability to caress the genitals of teenage boys and girls. They are followed and incriminating photos are taken, whenever possible.
None of this comes to light until they become PM or FM or head of the central bank or CEO of the country's largest corporation.
That's when the threat of exposure is what the CIA hints at to get laws passed or foreign policy taken.
The victims do what they're told. It's too embarrassing to contemplate honesty.
The US (CIA) gets what it wants from Merkel or Hollande or the thieves in Bucharest and Sofia.
Did you think the CIA spends its annual stipend of $50 billion on popcorn?
With great power comes great resposibility. That's what missing. That's where all the hate towards USA and Americans comes from - exceptionalism and reckless belief in one's superiority which justifies atrocities. Because American lives matter more. Keeping Americans safe justifies bombing brown people half the world away (well, that's the comic-book framing of the world for the simpletons, at least; we all know it is not about keeping anybody safe, except the revenues).
Maybe it does. Maybe might does make right. But if that is the case then US is out of luck - the rest of the world is starting to say no. They begin to grasp their combined might and are sooo ready to come and clean the fuck out of your clock. EDIT: I mean it in metaphorical sense, not militarily.
One thing is abundantly clear - Eurasian integration makes far too much practical sense to not come to pass. US elites can huff and puff, and drive wedges and start fires all over the shop - none of this matters, it only makes the US look even worse. They will not be able to keep Europe and Asia apart. When the integration picks up the pace (in the next 30 years, I would guess), USA will end up with a global role that comes with its geographical location. That is what truly petrifies the robber barons, i.e. bankers and MIC. Lack of global relevance which means living within means.
American Exceptionalism basically ended with passage of the Federal Reserve Act. Before this return to a kind of modern-day colonialism, America WAS truly exceptional due the fact that the founding fathers established a Constitution guarenteeing citizens freedoms, rights and securities to prevent trespass from the excesses of government and plutocracy. PCR and others here on the forum are obviously ignorant of what the term as it originated actually means, as it does not have anything to do with "superiority". It simply means that the American experience as related to freedom from government and plutocracy was exceptional to anything before known in History. Please stop bastardizing this.
It is not me who is bastardising the concept, Thomas. Where you sit is miles adrift from how American self-perception travels across the pond. Over the transatlantic cable, somehow the optimistic, enthusiastic, clean-slate "we can do it right" sense of American Exceptionalism evaporates and what we get the other end is the image of a bunch of self-centred, arrogant fucks who feel entitled to rob nations world-wide in the name of what once was a lofty ideal.
Work tirelessly to restore the concept and the spirit of Americal Exceptionalism back to its former glory. By their fruit you will recognise them.
Words on paper guarantee nothing without the will to enforce them.
Paper never bound anyone. Force does.
America WAS exceptional in that regard. The Founders drew a blueprint.
Unfortunately, it became a victim of 'mission creep' until so many 'exceptions' were carved out of this exceptional idea of self governance that it no longer resembles the original document.
The cover page still looks good though, so many don't want to look at what goes into the sausages hidden in the "Law".
Ideas are one thing and human nature is quite another. Most humans understand the values of restraint from engaging their baser elements.
Those who are allowed them without consequence will not.
Like great power has EVER been used responsibly!
Aren't you paying attention? This is why we should resist "great power" at all costs, as this is where it inevitably leads. The greater the power, the greater the war and destruction.
The UN is currently formulating and creating international law to create the single greatest power in the history of earth. For what purpose? Why to save us...save us from ourselves. Now please tell me...who is the enemy if we are being protected from OURSELVES?
I think it is pretty obvious, and honestly, my arguments on this thread likely enforce that concept...human nature and the inevitability of war and all. But, while human nature is definitely at play here, the one thing war always needs is POWER. It needs armies and weapons and money that are always centered about centralized AND unaccountable power.
In our effort to eliminate violence we will outlaw guns (for example), ENSURING that all violence will then be in the purview of government ALONE. Our abandonment of self reliance, self determination, self preservation, will guarantee a life in a cheaply painted gilded cage. I prefer to take my chances as a free range chicken over the caged variety, but we will not be given the choice.
"The only way they will ever learn is to be beaten within an inch of their lives and left to pick up the pieces if they can. Which is coming."
with a shitty stick
Like that has ever worked. The beaten will seek revenge, another enablement for another round of war.
Enforce restraint on power or be subject to it.
That is the choice.
Violence is merely the effect of an unbalanced equation.
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Isaiah 30:10
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Like or dislike the source, the CONTENT of that quote is SPOT ON!
Thank you PCR.
For fucks sake! When has war ever not been our future? People here acting like this something new. Like somehow smart phones were going to save us. We are humans, it's what we do, always have done. No, we shouldn't embrace the horror, but really, the indignation of it all! Isn't it about time to prepare? Are we really betting everything will end in a happy draw?
its not what humans do. Sorry, its what men do.
Ha! Like women have no role in this. Like Hillary is a peacemaker. Feminazi surfaces again.....violently nonviolent. Watch videos of Islamic mothers sending their ten sons off to jihad and death for Allah and tell me again about evil men.
I didn't say that men were evil. I just stated that its men who make war. I hardly think you can even argue that point. Maybe its only because women have seldom had that kind of power, though I'm of the opinion that women's concerns tend to be closer to home. Hillary and women like her are an abberation that wouldn't have been possible even 50 years ago. Fifty years ago, even married to powerful men, they would have been excluded from the councils of the great and mighty.
Behind every great man is a power-hungry woman pushing him on. Women DO make war - they just do it in a different, more indirect way. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.
Ah, but that's not the kind of war we're talking about here - a little manipulation here, a little encouragement there, a word of council, a careful phrase at just the right point, oh yes, women do that.
Women love war as much as they love money. Find me a man who really loves McMansions, fine dining, being waited on by others, and all that shit, and I'll show you a guy wanting to get or please his pussy. Then when it comes to "outside threats" TPB women are all about protecting whet they have stolen. Women make wars possible.
Correct Cleopatra & Helen of Troy to name a few, besides Napoleans wifes name.
Josephine
Way way back in the day, the greatest threat to humans was other humans (oh wait lol) so if you're female and intelligent, your children are going to have a way way better chance of surviving if your men can murder their men.
Don't be sorry ;)
cunts are still running the world - Jarvis Cocker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg
I'm not sorry. I like men fine just the way they are. You evolved to be the way you are for purposes important to the survival of the species, with characteristics that were selected for - by the preferences of women. Women serve a somewhat different, though complimentary, survival purpose with characteristics that were also selected for - by the preferences of men. I was only apologizing for pointing out that fact. I knew it would ruffle feathers.
Well put Things : )
RUSH/Counterparts/Alien Shore-1993
You and I, we are strangers by one chromosome
Slave to the hormone, body and soul
In a struggle to be happy and free
Swimming in a primitive sea
You and I, we must dive below the surface
A world of red neon, and ultramarine
Shining bridges on the ocean floor
Reaching to the alien shore
For you and me — Sex is not a competition
For you and me — Sex is not a job description
For you and me — We agree
You and I, we are pressed into these solitudes
Color and culture, language and race
Just variations on a theme
Islands in a much larger stream
For you and me — Race is not a competition
For you and me — Race is not a definition
For you and me — We agree
Reaching for the alien shore
You and I, we reject these narrow attitudes
We add to each other, like a coral reef
Building bridges on the ocean floor
Reaching for the alien shore
For you and me — We hold these truths to be self-evident
For you and me — We’d elect each other president
For you and me — We might agree
But that’s just us
Reaching for the alien shore
We are humans, it's what we do, always have done.
If in doubt - blame human nature. How convenient.
"Sorry I killed your family - my genes made me do it".
Nah,
Our rationalizations are a bit more complex than that.
Sort of like a K-Bar with a doily and a ribbon tied around the handle.
I've called him BlakFuk OlympDick since the day the Olympics did not go to Chicago. I've called him fetal position Affirmative Action Clown. That he take no responsibility for Syria and crows of Libya as a,success is not a lie, it is a sign of derangement from a dangerous out of control animal, the same kind of animal that OJ or any other crazed Black is, they are wired differently, they perceive things differently and when confronted with it they adopt a animal like posture not just refusing to consider they are wrong but attacking anyone who points out the obvious. I'm sure Putin thought for a moment about saving the world because this is no longer a joke. Whatever amusement he and Lavrov had was wiped from their faces by the stark reality that they are dealing with a deranged mentally ill maniac.
Ever wonder why Russia has no niggers?
They don't like the cold?
No?
Russia has plenty of people it regards as inferior to the Great Russians and treats them about the same as the UCV would.
Right about all except the SCV,
That is a benevolent fraternal organization, and along with the United Daughters of the Confederacy, are dedicated to preserving the accurate histry of Southern culture and the Confederacy, not about stirring up shit..
Because we are a frequent target of race baiters. we are very careful not to add credence to the perception.
Having said that, I personally know and work with black people with a high degree of integrety, and then there are niggers, just like there's white trash.
Our current occupier of the Presidency is a nigger working to undermine our country, and so is his wife.
All races have their "iggers"
Feudalism and a caste system that did not require imported labor while the US was a clean slate that required large scale slave labor to achieve what would later be done by mechanization.
We need another James Earl Ray to step up and fix the problem.
That would make Obozo a martyr forever and justify every MSM lie about Southerners. No one would ever talk about his failures again if met his end at the hands of a 'rayciss'.
Lee Harvey Oswalt... How disappointing it was for the MSM that JFK was killed by a communist.
Yes, China's UN vote will always belong to the developing nations.
That's because it has hit the glass ceiling economy-wise.
And who listens to an entire day of 70th anniversary speeches from the UN?
Answer: Someone who has decided that he agrees with them.
"And who listens to an entire day of 70th anniversary speeches from the UN?"
Actually two days worth now. But if you had been listening, you would have heard the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev address the UN and say (perhaps as a Russian proxy) the astounding things he said.
In my opinion, it was the most important speech of the lot. After the US, Russia, Iran, and China had all said their bit, and well hidden within the lesser countries who spent their time behind the podium cow-towing to the UN and praising their 70 years of (in)action, he made some suggestions to the UN which (considering the importance of the economy of Kazakhstan) will not go unheard - perhaps simply unreported. I thought for sure PCR would say something about it above since he intimated that he listened to all the speeches, but he clearly did not. I won't re-write what I wrote about it in this forum, but here's a link if any of you are interested.
https://atokenmanblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/while-you-werent-listening/
There might be a video of his speech posted here in the next few days, but I'm betting there won't be.
http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/general-assembly-12th-and-13th-plenar...
Sounds like a leftover from Soviet times. Big, really big government solutions. Single world currency, single world source for nuclear fuel, elimination of nuclear weapons. It's almost like he has a great faith in the incorruptible nature of a large centralized government. With that kind of talk I would imagine he will be taking Moon's job soon.
If the UN were to remove the US dollar's reserve status, re-locate the UN headquarters from New York to Asia, and take control of the IMF, how would the US retaliate? Putin's comments about the UN to Charlie Rose concerning the future of the organization were also quite telling (if not subtle.)
The neo-cons, zionists, and new 'International Order' types would have nowhere to turn but all-out war, and in this respect, PCR was right.
Long (tongue in cheek) Raytheon et al.
Borat to want monopoly to making Great Kazakhstan Nation.
We have always been at war with east asia.
No, it's Eurasia.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
How clear Orwell's world becomes before my eyes.
The Osama Slayer is almost out of office. The sooner the better.
He's got plenty of time to destroy what's left of America, while the Republicans stand by and let him do it. Boehner's replacement, whoever it is, isn't likely to stand up to Obola either.
When little Bush and his Daddies cronies were not brought to justice for their global crimes, I felt the Karma of distant armies breathing down America's back.
I hope so. The more towelheads killed the better.
I know you have a love for them. Fook you.
Now bendover and pray five times a day, you POS.
OH DEAR, I MIGHT GET SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACk FROM ZH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoken like a true prole. Big Brother is so proud. He is glad you enjoyed your hour of hate.
"The US has worked to prevent a third world war, to promote democracy by overthrowing governments with violence ..."
The bolded can be read in two very different ways. The sheeple will take it as overthrowing violent regimes, while the ZH crowd will probably parse the true meaning.
"Obama Deifies American Hegemony"
"Obola Defiles American Hegemony"....fixed it
Defintely Islam is at fault here.
For all its military might the US has an Achilles heel.
The Western financial system collapsed all by itself in 2008 and the necessary reforms were never undertaken.
With stock markets around the world teetering on the edge of big falls, the US can only pick on the small fry that won’t disturb the highly unstable Western financial system.
The markets and financial system are too weak to take any major shocks.