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Trump Sides With Putin On Syria: "You Should Let Russia Destroy ISIS As Opposed To Saying 'We're Jealous'"
Earlier this month, conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt embarrassed Donald Trump on air with a series of questions about Mid-East foreign policy issues that included quizzing the GOP frontrunner on the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah as well as asking Trump to explain the significance of Iranian power brokers breaking UN travel bans to help coordinate the Syrian war effort with The Kremlin.
Trump clearly didn’t know it, but he had a great opportunity for a GOP-voter-friendly soundbite.
What he should have said, if he wanted to bolster his position with Republican primary voters who might be a bit concerned about his foreign policy credentials was something along the lines of this: "Hamas and Hezbollah are both threats to our ally Israel and when we see things like broken UN travel bans by important Iranians it means the Obama administration has weakened Washington’s position vis-a-vis Iran by signing a bad nuclear deal."
Of course Hewitt knew Trump wouldn’t be able to answer the questions and so to be fair to the Teflon Don, it was most assuredly a media “gotcha” moment, but what it did underscore is the extent to which Trump is strong on overarching foreign policy themes (“America is weak, our leaders are losers, our deals are terrible”) and short on specifics, even when the opportunity to support his contentions literally falls into his lap.
Now that Trump appears to be getting serious about building a platform based on actual policy recommendations (see his recently unveiled tax plan which, even if it's far-fetched is at least a plan) rather than grand pronouncements that sound inspirational but are largely amorphous, the Donald is weighing in on Syria. Here’s Reuters with more:
Leading Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday said he supported Russian efforts to fight Islamic State militants in the Middle East, including Syria.
Asked whether he backed those like Russia who supported Syrian President Bashar al Assad or those who see him as the source of Syria's current crisis, Trump told NBC's "Today" program: "I side with the group that says if Russia wants to go and fight ISIS, you should let them as opposed to saying were jealous we don't want you to do that."
Asked about whether Assad was the source of the country's ills, Trump said it was not clear and questioned who would replace him if he were ousted.
"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before."
In other words, Trump has no idea here either but what he does know is that the US habitually makes the same basic mistake in the Mid-East when considerations of geopolitical expediency lead Washington to oust Arab strongmen only to watch in horror as subsequent puppet governments crumble and are eventually replaced or at least partially supplanted by something far worse than the regime the US helped to overthrow. Meanwhile it is of course the people of these countries who suffer as is clearly evident in Syria.
So say what you will about Trump and foreign policy, but at least he understands that much and indeed, an honest understanding of that basic concept may have been all that was needed to avoid the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Syria.
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vote trump
ask a greek if voting matters
yuuuuuge mistake
winner +1
Voting is so 500 B.C.
I could be the best King Greece ever embraced!
Until the plague rolls around. Hugs = Fail.
Best do it nicely!!!
Instead of voting for something Radical they voted for Radical Lite.
If they really wanted change they should have voted for Golden Dawn.
meh... Trump said he liked John Bolton. That fucking neocon would blow up the world in the first ten mins if given enough power.
Michael Bolton.
"You can just call me 'Mike'. "
That no talent ass clown!
Personally, I celebrate his entire catalog.
"What exactly would you say... you do here?"
This guy is really going out on the ledge to get elected.
Telling the truth...!!
I hope someone in the beltway straightens him out before he does a Jimmy Hoffa.
McCain just shit his pants.
Don't you mean his "Depends"?
Do the undead, shit?
Yes but you can't tell (discern).
Nice try Nostradamus. That has been penciled into his daily agenda @2:00 for a few years now.
Trump sounds ok on some issues, such as not opposing Russian support to the Sryian government in the fight against ISIS, but this bullshit about building a "beautiful wall" on the Mexican border is insane.
I don't believe any of this flowery bullshit, a wall on the Mexican border will turn into to prison wall for us. Does he plan on having Israel build it?
He should consult the Vatican, they have perfected the art of building big walls to keep out undesirables.
You don't need to build a wall. In fact, you could get almost all of the illegal aliens to self-deport by fining and imprisoning anyone who hires one of them. Period. (In the case of a corporation, fine and imprison the entire C-suite and BOD.)
And if you want to expedite the solution, set up an 800 number for tips. Charge each tipster $100 per tip to separate the wheat from the chaff, and then give the tipster half of the money you extract from the person he turned in.
Would there be unintended consequences? Hell yes, but it would solve most of the illegal alien problem in months.
Fine employers and cut of all benefits, and I mean ALL, to illegals.
If someone flies into the USA on vacation and overstays their Visa, we allow them to go on public assistance, give them welfare and educate their kids, and if they drop a baby it becomes a U.S. Citizen--- WTF?
I have been working on an invention to solve that very problem. I call it the Vaga-Net. The baby dosen't get Citizenship till it hits the ground.
Just cut off the incentives - all the free shit.
wfo, wtf, you don't want a wall?? why you stupid fuck? just leave thru canada..duh.
Medicatedunce, I own property Big Bend region and know what the fuck is going on the southern border, and a wall won't do anything but turn our country into a bigger open air prison than it already is.
End birthright citizenship, end free public school for illegals (which was the law in Texas until a Federal Court in Brownsville ruled it illegal - which then started the flood of illegals), and deport violators. We need a guest worker program that doesn't incentivize uprooting the whole family to move to the US.
The border region has turned into a militarized federal police state - long gone are the old days of informal border crossings into Mexico for lunch in small villages along the Rio Grande. You now need a passport and have to cross at major ports of entry.
All an illegal has to do is get past the checkpoints and it is home free. No Border Patrol in any major city across the country - but if I hire some Mexican workers to build fence or lay block - Felony! And they patrol like hawks - fuck that!
but if I hire some Mexican workers to build fence or lay block - Felony!
Wow, if that were true in the Golden State, half of suburban California would be in jail.
It must be different in the Golden State - in the border region of Texas, you are at high risk hiring workers from Mexico (even though there are hardly any legal workers willing to work).
http://valleycentral.com/news/local/texas-rancher-charged-with-harboring...
Its different. I see. That's why I posted. Its very common in the wealthy parts of the state for everyone who can, to hire illegals, no taxes, under the table. Gardenning, construction and agriculture all run on illegals.
If Trump will 100% retract his statements about Snowden and vow to take apart the CIA and NSA, then yeah, I'll lead the parade cheering him on.
Until then he's just another full-of-shit wanabe dictaster.
Trump knows all. Just ask him. He'll tell ya!
That Trump knows jack-fkall about how ISIS came about is...unsurpising? And what can we expect to hear once he's been briefed about it?
Still havent heard Trump talk about the elephant sitting on the globe.
I had to laugh at the drumbeat of "our ally Israel"
Correct - the POTUS only knows what is written in his morning briefings.
Is English your second language???
Let somebody else play in the sandbox for awhile, but don't expect any winners......
Play for the people living in the sand-box, instead of in spite of them and there will be millions of winners.
What red-blooded American would down vote you. Fucking stupid, blind liberals.
Should I issue a troll alert?
Fear the Hair
Most of the smartest people I work with every day are not the polished corporate stiffs, it is the high school graduate entrepreneurs. Yes, they talk different, no public speaking skills, no polished writing skills but one thing they do know is who is getting fucked in a deal and as they say, "if anyone is going to get fucked it ain't gonna be me"
Putinish.
Trump is OUR version of Putin!!! TRUMP 2016
If only that were the case...
Trump is revealing his thoughts to be what most Americans want and agree with...
Saw part of that Charlie Rose interview last night. I wish I could have those lost minutes of my life back.
American public teevee journalist talks to KingBear as if he is an idiot, tries to demonize him and his intentions, and KingBear answers like a politician and makes journalist looks like an idiot....
Meanwhile is-Real? is tugging the strings for the three bigguns to show up in Syria and fight the mythical monstrosity.
Not a single Syrian refugee going to is-Real?, and the mythical monstrosity never touches that land of the chosen.
Scripts and actors - everywhere.
Just like the NBC interviews with Carly and Killary. I was actually embarassed by the obvious bias in favor of that ... Caricature of a human female (Killary).
Of whatever Hillary is a caricature, I disagree that it is human or female.
And Charlie Rose is a what?
Rose seems to have been a popular name for carpet baggers coming down into the South after the Red Sheild banksters had the "union" army destroy and loot the South. He has a southern lilt in his voice but I know what Charlie is.
I ran across a few of those Roses in the south. Fake names like Porky Poroshenko's name, Nudelman's fake name and Soros. the list goes on.
I wish Ray Dalio would refuse to do any more interviews with that douchebag Charlie Rose.
Charlie Rose is a drunk. But I have to commend him for at least appearing to be sober during some of his many appearances.
Charlie Rose is a dumbass, he seems to be in the mid stages of dementia. His programmed questions were laced with statements, accusations, and lies - do they really think the American population is this dumbed down? His brain is running on fumes - from the night before, and years upon years of being shitfaced.
Question : Do they really think the American population is this dumbed down?
Answer : Obama elected twice as president (and once as US senator).
I'd pull back the reins on that "most" category. He's still got a lot of convincing to do.
Very true now that the hit teams are loose. What we want and what we get seem to never be the same.
We should not be jealous. Oh the ziocons, PNAC, State Dept, Deep State, Pentagram,ZATO and other scum are more then jealous.
ISIS is McCain and Feinstein's boys. Those ISIS boys use a lot of MIC hardware and drive Toyota's bought from the Toyota dealership in Langley, Virginia.
Put Cheney, McCain, Feinstein, Kerry-Kohn and Schumer in one of those Toyota's driving to see their hero Bibi.
http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/
Hopefully one of those Russian Su-34 "Fullbacks" will hit them.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Russian_Air_Fo...
This is dangerous, they don't want Syria to become any more important in the clown debates.
"You should let them"
HA! What exactly do you think you are going to do to stop them? More red-lines, more sanctions, more finger-wagging?
As it turns out, the school bully has been trained and supported by the Principal this whole time. The goal was to encourage, by any means available, for the "undesirable" students to seek an education elsewhere. When the work is done, the bully will be expelled and hauled off to Juvie.
Thing about Trump is that he will hire ``experts`` on subjects he doesn't know about... meaning all the scum who has been in the WH for decades... So nothing will change.
will he?
Your downvoters are the people who will say "we shoulda knowed..." in 2018.
Those aren't the "experts" that you or any one else needs to worry about. Despite the fantasies of some of the local lunatics, the President of the USSA has immense power. The problem is that the Devil is the details, and neither President nor the Cabinet Officers really make (and implement) policy. That task falls to over a thousand Deputy Secretaries, Under Secretaries, Assistant Secretaries, and the thousands of career SES, SFS, SIS, et al officers who are not even Presidential appointments... That is why nothing ever changes despite elections. Not even Trump's rolodex is big enough to overcome that institutional resistance to change, but on the bright side- he might be less inclined to listen to the gray beards of the one party with regard to their "recommendations" as to the 1500 "best suited" for Senate approved positions, and the thousands of positions that don't require confirmation.
Maybe, but he sure has not done that so far.
One of the things most upsetting to the Political Industrial Complex (PIC, I should trademark that), is that he is not hiring the "right" consultant groups, pollsters, professional organizers, and all the other cottage industries serving the political class 24/7/365 in what has become a multi-billion dollar business.
He is also NOT buying tons of advertising from the media, and that has to be bothering them....a lot.
langley hit squad officially now after trump
TRUMP 2016!
Why The Fuck Not? We're Probably Screwed Anyway!
probably ?
Mako-2010
''The purpose of the system is to expand as big and as long as possible then implode. The machines in the Matrix were well aware of the eventually outcome, they built a reset button(Neo), unfortunately humans do not have that choice... well why? because if all the humans understood the lie, there would be no system to start with.
If you were wanting to avoid the result, humans shouldn't have started it.
There is nothing to stop, the system already peaked and you are now collapsing. The system is not getting larger anymore, it's over... the fat lady is warming up and will with time step out on the stage.
You will be witnessing the biggest and most beautiful song the fat lady has ever sung.''
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/uk-holdings-us-treasuries-go-exponentia...
WTF? I'm confused with Trump's (or some PR-manager) sanity... He must be carefull.
If elected, I can't wait for his day one CIA briefing... "WTF do you mean they were our assets"
Trump is accustomed to assets that go bad. The only important thing is to protect the "brand"
Well, yes, one would think that the U.S.S.A. would actually like it if someone else was actually spending their blood and treasure on this bullshit...
unfortunately, the truth is that the CIA is "ISIS" and that keep some American MIC companies fat and happy at the taxpayer's expense.
ISIS is a useful enemy
A BOLD, NEW WORLD... Yeah, Right!
if obama can get elected president with his treasure trove of prior foreign policy experience then anyone else shouldn't be measured by lack of experience.
Trump is not now, nor has he ever been a Community Organizer.
He earns my respect right there.
And he wants to lower taxes as opposed to Hitlery who keeps yelling moar taxes and moar gubmint spending. That's the conrerstone of her platform; a Bigger FSA" and moar expansive Parasitic Gubmint.
I'll vote for anyone but her.
and more "gifts of love" invading our borders
The Amish officially endorse Shatsuit Bundlepants.
She is the only one who makes sense anymore and isn't whoring it up for the cameras flapping their little puss mouth.
You can tell right away that this guy Trump has a PhD in SIN!
Great comeback Potsie!
Ask the Libyans, or Iraqi's, or Syrians, etc., about sin.
Or, maybe the Amish are like the MIC? You know, if they are brown or black, well it's too bad they live in a free fire zone.
Take your little "sins" and stick them up your Amish butt.
yeah but Syrians are neither. ... I guess being from the land of camel piss and sand is enough to be on the shit list.
when are they going to start asking Hillary about her decision to abandon Iraq and creating the area for ISIS? As for Sanders...he is an idiot that couldn't comprehend road trip to Iowa never mind global politics.
Bernie can't even keep his podium outside Starbucks in Seattle.
He is not a part of"the club". Kennedy wasn't and see what happened to him.
Daddy Kennedy bought the boys memberships to the club,then JFK decided to grow a brain and broke club rules. There are some groups out there that when you take their money expect you to deliver.
And he was catholic, he broke that rule when he was born
as an american who supports our men & women in the armed forces, i agree with trump 100%. furthermore, putin was the 1 showing leadership yesterday at the U.N. he was the one who put a BULLSEYE on his people by saying they are getting in this game. WTF are we doing? using only about 25% of our sorties to actually bomb these guys in iraq. putin's country is ALOT closer to this mess & he stands THE MOST between the 2 countries to lose by doing this. the guy is fucking sick and tired of the NO PLAN, plan out of O who has been trying to figure out for 2 years WTF to do.
in addition, putin pointed his finger (and rightfully so) at europe. where is france, germany, u.k., italy during all of this? NOWHERE. all they seem to care about is getting a cheaper interest rate with which to borrow more $$$ to fund free shit programs to get re-elected. ironic how these countries are clueless as to why these migrants are flooding these countries yet are FECKLESS to stop it at its source.
i also find it ironic how obama (a guy who opposed iraq, pulled out of iraq) overthrew gaddafi & now wants to overthrow assad. why the double standard? not ok to overthrow saddam (and not learn from the chaos that came-about) but ok to do the same in libya & syria? makes ZERO fucking sense IF he were interested in beating ISIS. almost seems as tho he's defending them.
i mean, i never wanted to believe we are behind ISIS but a country with our $$$ and weaponry, if i told you 6 months ago 1 group would have 35,000 with tanks, all sorts of weapons, energy/financial/information infrastructure, clear strategy AND THE OTHER SIDE HAD between 5 & 6 trained fighters, uh, i would think we'd be the former.
finally, with regards to both our militaries, i can't for the life of me can't understand why an american leader can't bridge the gap with putin & china and maybe, JUST MAYBE we run joint army/naval/ariel exercises together. i know its crazy, but why not have their boys & our boys fighting together to beat-down this global threat. how good of a message would that send to the world? we're in this shit together and we're gonna win. JMO but that could do ALOT to alieviate the negativity & actually give people a reason for hope that 2 of the biggest global superpowers on the planet are working togther rather than plotting against each other. im really hoping trump is the guy who can sit down & deal with putin cuz obama is clearly A. not in his league and B. too egotistical to think that he could actually be the 1 on the "wrong side of history" here.
You realy think The Pentagram are the good guys? Ask all the dead Vietnam vets, people murdered in the bankster wars that have been going on for hundreds of years. The US military supporting Abe Lincoln's bankster war.
I support the troops waking up and deciding not to be involved. A lot of Ukrainian men walked off the battlefield to not engage in the genocide of their neighbors.
I agree we are fucking around, which is probably by design. Unless you break out the B-52s and don't wet your pants about collateral damage, you are not serious about winning. Why not let Russia do the dirty work for once?
re as an american who supports our men & women in the armed forces
Do you also support what they've been doing & done in Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya....
frankie - i blame the politicians for that. soldiers follow orders or face the consequences. do they have a choice to quit? sure but not without court martial. nobody in the armed servies wants that. our politicians have been using our military as their own personal security service with which to carry out their agendas as of late, not "protecting the homeland".
to take your point further, i believe in a strong national DEFENSE not national OFFENSE which is what i believe iraq and libya both were. taking out assad would be the same. pointless overthrowing of a dictator because we simply don't agree with how they run their area of the earth which is well within sovereign borders
I could agree with your argument BEFORE the draft was eliminated, and still have sympathy for young the soldier who is a genuine true believer. Also, for the National Gurad and Reserve units who never expected to be used in the way they have been. Those soldiers should be used ONLY for defense.
However, what America has now is a 100% volunteer force, combined with a bunch of private contractors. It is a fine line in my mind to separate the 2 when using the word 'mercenary'.
One thing for sure - if we still had the draft, we would have never gone into Iraq, and probably been out of Afghanistan in 6 months. Bush/Cheney Inc. got away with this because not enough people were paying attention. Had family, friends, and relatives started coming home in body bags after being conscripted for the Iraq disaster, the streets would have exploded with demonstrations - much faster and more powerful than what happened during the Vietnam era.
You are quite correct, which is the reason I separated after 8 years. I won't play mercenary for Lockheed-Martin, ATK, BP, Sachs, Chase, or anyone else.
"aliki" has rocks for a brain, obviously.
I'm an Honorably-discharged Air Force veteran, 8 years service, OEF and OIF.
I do not consider you, or misguided souls who believe as you do, to be our "supporters" in any sense.
Rather, your mind-bending ignorance of the U.S. Constitution and the limited and restricted role of the US Armed Forces, coupled with your unspeakably puerile worldview mean YOU ARE A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Yes, the only way to support the troops is to demand they return home and are never sent anywhere unless in response to an attack.
Those who join private armies (ie mercenaries) and die or are wounded - fuck them. I hope they all die miserable deaths,.
Not only in the middle east, look at the US orchestrated regime change in Ukraine. It's a failed state now actually worse than Libya or Iraq. Run by banderist neo-nazi nationalists some wanted by Interpol.
Trump let Syria and Russia kill ISIS or......
Carly,Jeb!, Ted, Marco burn US blood and treasure to kill ISIS
Vote now before polls close!
Meagan Kelly is waiting with quivering lips
PS the blood and treasure option requires blood and threasur , the Putin option is "free".
Correct, with the qualification that we wouldn't take out ISIS until after they've accomplished our objectives of regime change. A couple Putin UN speech quotes which I agree with:
"Besides, the Islamic State itself did not just come from nowhere. It was also initially forged as a tool against undesirable secular regimes."
"it is hypocritical and irresponsible to make loud declarations about the threat of international terrorism while turning a blind eye to the channels of financing and supporting terrorists, including the process of trafficking and illicit trade in oil and arms. It would be equally irresponsible to try to manipulate extremist groups and place them at one's service in order to achieve one's own political goals in the hope of later dealing with them or, in other words, liquidating them."
Ha. I find Trump hugely entertaining. Is he aware of who funded and trained and continues to supply ISIS? Me thinks not.
Donald Trump is a casino magnate, and he will gamble with the United States of America until everyone has lost their shirt.
You obviously do not understand that the House does not lose. Have you ever been to a Casino?
I'm a Christian so I view casino gamblers as Satanic Mafia scum. Furthermore, I don't think Trump's Casino in Atlanta is exactly what one might refer to as a winner, eh.
now that would hurt the Protestant to his deepest depths.
Catholics did not like the money changer but the protestant did not believe in original sin in similar terms and did not believe in not attaining self fulfillment here on earth. Whence Calvin and Geneva.
So you're a Christian who thinks he is master of the universe. I thought that was God's role, or do you think you are God?
Sounds like he wants to be Rand Paul's running mate.
How is Israel a friend of the United States in any way?
Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons, thanks to their spying on their "friends" in America. Israel laughs at their stupid co-religionist Evangelical supports in the US.
Well Israel is there to make sure that the U.S. always has a Fed chair and vice-chair with sufficient qualifications. And to make sure U.S. politicians are well financed. Oh, and they were there to video record 9/11. Need more?
Well they murdered American sailors on the USS Liberty while John McCain's dad recalled F-4 Phantoms sent to help those AMERICAN sailors. Then Admiral McCain did a slow sail with the US Navy hoping by the time they got there that all those AMERICAN sailors would be dead.
The first ship to arrive to offer medical aid? The Russians.
Did we ever determine whether or not Assad gassed some folks? I remember that it seemed odd that he would gas some folks 3 days after inviting the UN to come see if he had gassed some folks but was there ever a verdict? My guess is no but just checking.
Documents and evidence was about as good as the 'Yellow Cake' paperwork.
UN investigation said it was 'probably' the rebels who did it as they found the large mortar rounds with gas warheads were launched from rebel held territory. Main stream media and western politicos have kept as quiet as possible about findings. Just like Boeing 777 shot down by Ukrainian fighter jet - our lying media dont want to talk about that either! Will we ever see the full investigation report? Bet they only release - if ever- one with big chunks censored.
Trump is absolutely clueless which may be exactly what would be best.
Has he assembled a crack foreign policy team full of Zionist warmongers like every other Repugnicant hopeful?
90% of the fucking US population can't tell you who our allies were in WWII. 95% can't identify the Speaker of the House. I don't know the fuck cares that Trump can't name some specific camel jock -- he has the right strategy.
Did the USA just pull the plug on Syrian "rebels" aka USA's ISIS Rita Katz warriors?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
The White House has halted the Pentagon training of the unicorn riding "moderate rebels". That program is toast but the real question is if the "secret" CIA run program, which is vastly more extensive, is also suspended. My hunch is that it is.
I am starting to think a lot of the things Trump says he doesn't really believe. He is very smart and does this so each constituency has some rallying symbol behind him. He is very smart to hide that he is smart and makes himself more approachable (more average and "like us") to the voter.
For example, him saying Snowden is a traitor, etc...., endears him to one part of the population.
His rants againt Wall St. build support from hippies and people who know what's going on.
Anti-immigrant sentiment helps get the redneck vote.
His anti-intervention sound bites help liberty activists forget his other stance on civil liberties in the homeland...
What do you think?
I think I want to see a Trump vs Sanders match-up. America needs to stop birthing terrorists with its idiotic MIC welfare programs.
Better stay out of small aircraft(and hot tubs)
Every time "Trump sides with Putin", he goes up a notch in my estimation.
And DT is 1,000% correct here.
Another side to Putin that should be considered...
Not saying I agree with everything in this read but much of what is said about how he dealt with the Chechen crisis as a KGB officer in the 90's is thought provoking and until I see him pouring troops into Syria to defend what will be the last secular government in the ME that Israel has always been intent on destroying you can't say that this doesn't have some credence.
With more than two U.S. and Israeli administrations that probably were instrumental in providing funding and arms to the Chechen rebels inside Russia I've always been left to ponder did Israel and the U.S. act alone in attempting to disrupt the muslim population in an attempt to weaken the fledgling Russian Federation? Or did the Russian FSB work in concert with the both of them?...
Wouldn't it have been grand for Putin to finally put to rest what he knows as fact about the event(s) of 9/11 as the singular event that destroyed the Middle East in his speech yesterday?...
Trump is showing his inexperience in these affiars. He seems to fail to comprehend who created ISIS.
Obama created ISIS
Trump knows we created ISIS, and this is how he says he disagrees with that. Those of limited intellect obviously have trouble ascertaining this.
Yet he is far less inexperienced than the Negro was when we crowned him with the Laurel Wreath in 2008 and insisted that the Nobel Peace Committee follow with theirs.
The big moron/asshole/blowhard Trump is, he's got a good point on this one. Nonetheless, I don't think the Russians are gonna ask dickhead Obummer's 'permission"!
Trump: Because the socialist jew media attacks him the most.....that's good enough for me.
""Hamas and Hezbollah are both threats to our ally Israel"
No, Donald.
Hamas, created by Israel to split the Palestinians {and Shin Bet likely arranged the kidnapping of 3 Jewish colonialist teens through a Hamas splinter group to do the same thing about 2 years ago -
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24737-israeli-government-and-press-kn...
https://electronicintifada.net/content/netanyahu-government-knew-teens-w...
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-isra... }
has some crazy shit in its charter but was looking like it was going to try to box out the dead-enders and agree to a *decades-long* truce and form a unity government with Fatah - but Bibi and his Jewish Supremacist/Ultra Zionist fellow travellers never intended to stop settlements or allow a Palestinian state and do intend to find or create a pretext to "transport" [ethnically cleanse] all of them...
Bibi is a sociopath with a messiah complex and is Israel's biggest danger.
Hamas is not an existential threat to Israel. It's also not a serious military threat.
The entire propaganda tact about Hamas wanting to "destroy Israel" and "kill all the Jews" is based on a charter which certainly calls for the end of "Israel" - but they do not mean murdering every Jew present anymore than Americans who wanted to destroy the USSR wanted to kill every russian
Btu lets say they did and surely some hard core nuts do - okay.
Hamas is ZERO threat to Israel.
"Tuches aufn tish. Let’s be honest. The Israeli story doesn’t merely distort the truth, it turns the truth ass-backwards. Eerily enough, its basic claims about the Palestinians more accurately describe the Israelis themselves.
The Israelis might as well be looking in the mirror and talking about themselves when they say things like “They are the aggressors; we’re the victims just defending ourselves.” That’s part of an Israeli-generated myth of insecurity whose premise is that Israel bears all the risk in the conflict with the Palestinians. Obama fed into that myth in his recent “Arab Spring” speech when he called, in effect, for an even swap: the Palestinians would get a state and the Israelis would get security, as if the massively stronger Israelis are the main ones suffering from insecurity.
In the process, he repeated a familiar mantra, “Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable,” and offered a vague warning that “technology will make it harder for Israel to defend itself.” Perhaps that was a coded way of hinting that someday some other Mideast nation might have a handful of nuclear weapons — as if any of them could threaten Israel, which already has as many as 200 nukes and can surely build more.
Obama did make one reference to what he called “the assumption of Palestinian security.” That’s how the Israelis typically phrase their long-standing hope that the Palestinian police will become what Netanyahu once called Israel’s “sub-contractors,” taking over from Israeli soldiers the job of quashing resistance to Israel and its policies. Again, the premise is that Israel bears all the risk.
Yet the Palestinians are far more insecure than the Israelis. Like any victims of colonial military occupation, they’re constantly subject to the threat of death and destruction without notice, at the whim of the Israeli military, and increasingly from Israeli settlers as well. Over the last quarter-century, the conflict has killed roughly eleven Palestinians for every Israeli who died. And yet you’ll never find this line in the speech of an American politician: “Our commitment to Palestine’s security is unshakeable.”"
http://www.salon.com/2011/05/26/america_israel_myths/
Hezbollah also wants "The Jewish State" to stop being a state for Jews only given the ethnic cleansing and terrorism it was founded on, given the fact 100 years ago Arabs owned 90%+ of the land and Zionism called implicitly for the ethnic cleansing of natives, and given the second class status of the remaining natives in Israel.
Entirely reasonable - it is only Jewish privilege and power wherein the desire of one ethnoreligious group to occupy another people, colonize them, while discriminating against even their own non-Jewish citizens is "fair" because 2200 years ago remote ancestors had a petty kingdom. The ancestors of many or most of todays "palestinians" certainly lived there.
While genetic studies have proven, mind you, that matrilineally - Ashkenazi Jews are European. Sorry.
Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European
http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/science/ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-...
This is old - pre indo-European stock. Which the Basque and Irish and Welsh also have a lot of. Guess who, after Jews, gets Tay sachs?
Anyway
Hezbollah didnt exists until Israel and its proxies invaded Lebanon, purposefully destroyed its civilian infrastructure - which is did more than once - and committed the odd massacre or two.
Hezbollah was and remains a **Lebanese resistance** and is defensive in nature while Israel's "defense forces" are an occupation army and an aggressor - over and over
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http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
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But again - even if you are mired in Zionist revisionism, Hezbollah does not threaten Israel militarily, while Israel continues to threaten all its neighbors with impunity.
We all know the power of the Jewish/Zionist lobby in the US, but not only do these victims of Zionism not threaten the existence of Israel or even seriously threaten it with any military action at all
A separate matter is why after world war 2 and iraq and HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS in US $s the US has any obligation at all to the Jewish State in the Levant.
Oh - and Israel is literally, and in the common sense - not an "ally".
[if you read nothing else - read this:]
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/11/23/israel-americas-biggest-fr...
Israel is not worth one drop of American blood.
And it is absurd that the sole superpower, with 320 million souls, is beholden to a shitty little ethnarchy in the middle east comprised of 6 million Jews and the natives they brutally occupy and oppress while relying on a heavily Jewish controlled press to obfuscate what is really going on.
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-02-11/aussie-tv-dares-to-show-the...
Jodi Rudoren, Another Member of the Family: Meet the New York Times’ New Israel-Palestine News Chief
http://ifamericansknew.org/media/meet-nyt.html
New York Times Readers Annoyed at Number of Jewish Writers
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/164403/new-york-times-readers-annoyed-at...
A Straight Look at the Jewish Lobby
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/jewishlobby.shtml
Who Started ‘the Cycle of Violence’ in Palestine?
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...
The Truth About Cease-fire Violations Between Israel and Gaza
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
"Yousef Munayyer, Executive Director of The Jerusalem Fund, explains how it typically works: Israel can “fire into Gaza without accountability, provoke a reaction and then claim self-defense.” See here for his explanation of the methodology.
I have written about previous cases in which Israel breaks the cease-fire with bombings, shootings, or territorial incursions, and then uses the retaliation from Gaza as a justification to launch a deeper bombing campaign here and here.
Israel violates the cease-fires more often, bombs Gaza more times than Gaza rockets Israel, and kills more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis. But these findings are not what is striking. What is striking about this is that almost everybody believes the opposite of the reality."
Israel DOES NOT WANT PEACE
IT WANTS ALL OF PALESTINE - AND BEYOND.
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...
February 1982: Article in Israeli Journal Says Israel Should Exploit Internal Tensions of Arab States
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
I think you need to re-read the beginning of this article. Trump didn't say "Hamas and Hezbollah are both threats to our ally Israel" (at least not as quoted here).
It doesn't matter what Trump says or does, We are going to be stuck with that cunt for President, because the money power and the Free Shit Army want her. One is the anvil, the other is the hammer. Get this through your thick skull: THE USA {as we once knew it} IS LONG GONE, AND NOT COMING BACK......EVER. I hate to sound so negitive, but reality is what it is.
Obsolete as a dodo, you can't see around the bend even if I drew you a bent banana.
Reality is a chameleon. Ask Glencore.
We are in tipping times and nothing is written.
I do persist and say history rhymes. But that does not preclude a new twist.
tomorrow is another day.
And America could be back once the neo-con plague has subsided.
As a dick sucker, you couldn't get the pubic hairs out of your mouth no matter how much you spit. It doesn't matter what becomes of the neo-cons. The vast majority of the 'mercun sheeple are a waste of space and air. There just aren't enough decent people to make a difference anymore. All people care about are their favorite diversions and access to someone Else's money.
speak for yourself. Banana peel.
Why the Fuck does Iran have travel bans? they haven't invaded anyone in over 100 years....if anyone should have travel bans and sanctions its isreal and the ussa criminals in charge...
200 years
Trump wants to keep the US military out of the Middle East? This will have serious negative ramifications for his party's fundraising activities.
Sanders - because:
The things he would do as king congress will never let him do, meanwhile, as POTUS he would block a bought and paid for Congress from more needless wars for the banks, the MIC, and Greater Israel.
You may not agree, and that's fine, we all try to go with what makes sense to us according to our values, etc. but at very least, don't stop *thinking* because someone says the word "socialist" at you, and also consider what a President can actually do.
I consider myself a Left Libertarian of sorts and usually come out here or a notch or two toward "liberal"
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/images/graphImages/100_80.png
So, not particularly "statist" but I think government can and should play a role in some things, I am unimpressed with people who love Ayn Rand and have read nothing else, and the anarcho-capitalist crowd I think completely fails to understand human nature and the inescapable power of entropy in any system.
I've heard all the fucking talking points from those people - I respectfully disagree.
The point is that I'm not espousing voting for Sanders so that Sanders can transform america into a socialist paradise.
I'm suggesting Sanders because he is the least establishment, the most honest and consistent, and here's the rub:
Would essentially block Congress from continuing to pass legislation to benefit banks, the warfare state, and Israel's warmongering leadership.
and that's a very good thing.
Well said. Thanks for the levity.
levitating on leftish libertarianism ?
How about rightish austerianism?
Or leftist rightist opportunism?
Or anarchical capitalism called communism gone hard FED on'd !
I like Anais Nin's definition of an intellectual : he sees my vagina where I see my pay check!
Of course she preferred the broke and impoverished who saw her vagina where it was, for what it was.
L'origine, non pas du monde, mais des jours tranquilles à Clichy!
you really ought to take up sky-diving. You'd love it.
Are you drunk? I know you can do better than that, Falak.
"I'm suggesting Sanders because he is the least establishment, the most honest and consistent..."
Sanders is a dual Israeli/American citizen.
No one who has a dual citizenship should be able to run for puclic office or be in charge of any public departments of any sorts.
It is akin to treason.
m.
He isn't a dual citizen. Google before posting.
While i agree 100% that dual citizens are a huge problem in American government, the MIC, Banking, and Communications industry, Bernie is not in that group.
"Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an Independent who is running for president as a Democrat, became upset when an NPR host inferred that he holds a dual citizenship with the United States and Israel.
"Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel," NPR host Diane Rehm said during a discussion Wednesday.
Sanders immediately responded, saying, "No, I do not have dual citizenship with Israel. I'm an American. I don't know where that question came from."
http://news.jornal.us/article-681190.Does--Sen-Bernie-Sanders-have-Dual-...
Tuesday humour :
The Man who will save the world ?
Its Yanis Varoufakis. He thinks around the bend. Like a Messi kick.
And I think he is well trained by his wife (she is cute).
He says--so the rumour mill goes-- we should make Assad's wife, Asma, President. (UK born so Obama has no way of saying NOOOO !)
Putin would love to say TOvarich President to her!
Imagine Ayatollah Rouhani, he would be running to Damascus in his Underwear! Those mullahs are all hot under their beards. (Allah did say honouring your women often is a moslem virtue. Just goes to show those Talibans are not true Ms).
She wouldn't drop a bomb on anyone.
Only problem, if you kick Assad out of her bed who services her?
She is young and power makes your awful hot; as you do have your itchy hand on the red poison button.
So "it", in this scenario, needs a proxy missile to practice on.
"It" is in the hot seat as they say !
Any candidates?
(My wife said she is off limits for me! Yes I know I'm dumb as I asked her advice).
Be part of the movement to save the world! Stand up!
(I don't promote Janet; Lady Lagarde or Mutti; but Asma seems cut out for the jobbbb. She is like Ingrid B in "For whom the bell tolls"...hot! )
Asma al-Assad is glamorous, young, and very chic--the freshest and most magnetic of first ladies. Her style is not the couture-and-bling dazzle of Middle Eastern power but a deliberate lack of adornment. She's a rare combination: a thin, long-limbed beauty with a trained analytic mind who dresses with cunning understatement. Paris Match calls her "the element of light in a country full of shadow zones." She is the first lady of Syria.
Syria is known as the safest country in the Middle East, possibly because, as the State Department's Web site says, "the Syrian government conducts intense physical and electronic surveillance of both Syrian citizens and foreign visitors." It's a secular country where women earn as much as men and the Muslim veil is forbidden in universities, a place without bombings, unrest, or kidnappings, but its shadow zones are deep and dark. Asma's husband, Bashar al-Assad, was elected president in 2000, after the death of his father, Hafez al-Assad, with a startling 97 percent of the vote. In Syria, power is hereditary. The country's alliances are murky. How close are they to Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah? There are souvenir Hezbollah ashtrays in the souk, and you can spot the Hamas leadership racing through the bar of the Four Seasons. Its number-one enmity is clear: Israel. But that might not always be the case. The United States has just posted its first ambassador there since 2005, Robert Ford.
Iraq is next door, Iran not far away. Lebanon's capital, Beirut, is 90 minutes by car from Damascus. Jordan is south, and next to it the region that Syrian maps label Palestine. There are nearly one million refugees from Iraq in Syria, and another half-million displaced Palestinians.
"It's a tough neighborhood," admits Asma al-Assad.
It's also a neighborhood intoxicatingly close to the dawn of civilization, where agriculture began some 10,000 years ago, where the wheel, writing, and musical notation were invented. Out in the desert are the magical remains of Palmyra, Apamea, and Ebla. In the National Museum you see small 4,000-year-old panels inlaid with mother-of-pearl that is echoed in the new mother-of-pearl furniture for sale in the souk. Christian Louboutin comes to buy the damask silk brocade they've been making here since the Middle Ages for his shoes and bags, and has incidentally purchased a small palace in Aleppo, which, like Damascus, has been inhabited for more than 5,000 years.
The first lady works out of a small white building in a hilly, modern residential neighborhood called Muhajireen, where houses and apartments are crammed together and neighbors peer and wave from balconies. The first impression of Asma al-Assad is movement--a determined swath cut through space with a flash of red soles. Dark-brown eyes, wavy chin-length brown hair, long neck, an energetic grace. No watch, no jewelry apart from Chanel agates around her neck, not even a wedding ring, but fingernails lacquered a dark blue-green. She's breezy, conspiratorial, and fun. Her accent is English but not plummy. Despite what must be a killer IQ, she sometimes uses urban shorthand: "I was, like. . . ."
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/the-only-remain...
Asma al-Assad is glamorous, young, and very chic--the freshest and most magnetic of first ladies. Her style is not the couture-and-bling dazzle of Middle Eastern power but a deliberate lack of adornment. She's a rare combination: a thin, long-limbed beauty with a trained analytic mind who dresses with cunning understatement. Paris Match calls her "the element of light in a country full of shadow zones." She is the first lady of Syria.
Syria is known as the safest country in the Middle East, possibly because, as the State Department's Web site says, "the Syrian government conducts intense physical and electronic surveillance of both Syrian citizens and foreign visitors." It's a secular country where women earn as much as men and the Muslim veil is forbidden in universities, a place without bombings, unrest, or kidnappings, but its shadow zones are deep and dark. Asma's husband, Bashar al-Assad, was elected president in 2000, after the death of his father, Hafez al-Assad, with a startling 97 percent of the vote. In Syria, power is hereditary. The country's alliances are murky. How close are they to Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah? There are souvenir Hezbollah ashtrays in the souk, and you can spot the Hamas leadership racing through the bar of the Four Seasons. Its number-one enmity is clear: Israel. But that might not always be the case. The United States has just posted its first ambassador there since 2005, Robert Ford.
Iraq is next door, Iran not far away. Lebanon's capital, Beirut, is 90 minutes by car from Damascus. Jordan is south, and next to it the region that Syrian maps label Palestine. There are nearly one million refugees from Iraq in Syria, and another half-million displaced Palestinians.
"It's a tough neighborhood," admits Asma al-Assad.
It's also a neighborhood intoxicatingly close to the dawn of civilization, where agriculture began some 10,000 years ago, where the wheel, writing, and musical notation were invented. Out in the desert are the magical remains of Palmyra, Apamea, and Ebla. In the National Museum you see small 4,000-year-old panels inlaid with mother-of-pearl that is echoed in the new mother-of-pearl furniture for sale in the souk. Christian Louboutin comes to buy the damask silk brocade they've been making here since the Middle Ages for his shoes and bags, and has incidentally purchased a small palace in Aleppo, which, like Damascus, has been inhabited for more than 5,000 years.
The first lady works out of a small white building in a hilly, modern residential neighborhood called Muhajireen, where houses and apartments are crammed together and neighbors peer and wave from balconies. The first impression of Asma al-Assad is movement--a determined swath cut through space with a flash of red soles. Dark-brown eyes, wavy chin-length brown hair, long neck, an energetic grace. No watch, no jewelry apart from Chanel agates around her neck, not even a wedding ring, but fingernails lacquered a dark blue-green. She's breezy, conspiratorial, and fun. Her accent is English but not plummy. Despite what must be a killer IQ, she sometimes uses urban shorthand: "I was, like. . . ."
Hillary armed Syria rebels. You'll find it in Clinton Foundation server.
Not many posts on this thread about WTF are we even doing there. All this "strategery", including that proffered by Tyler above about the former lifelong democrat who was in favor of single payer and gun control - before he wasn't. Give me a break.
I always come to ZH for the articles and stay for the comments, but this detour into generally neocon garbage has been a rare sad experience.
Trump? Are you fucking kidding me??????
The real truth is that no one has need destroy ISIS on the battlefield.
I drove past the entrance to Ft Meade yesterday. All anyone had to do to turn off ISIS is to turn off the electricity, natural gas, water, sewer and clean air to Ft Meade. ISIS will wither and die in 24 hours.
I will vote for the candidate who wants to end all the bs wars Americans start.
Hey gang, it's Scooby sing alone time.
Let sing ok gang? Go!
Scooby Dooby Doo where are you?
I'm down at the polling station.
And Scooby Dooby Doo what are you up to?
I'm voting for President Trump.
(that's truuuump, hold the 'u' longtime) try it again: go!
I'm voting for President Trump.
Excellent sing along gang!
/ME MAN-CRUSH