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Propaganda War Begins: Russia's Syria Strikes Targeted US-Backed "Moderate" Rebels, West Says

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With the US having officially lost control of the narrative in Syria now that The Kremlin has called Washington’s bluff on the battle to eradicate ISIS and eliminate the Sunni extremist elements that threaten to wrest control of Syria from President Bashar al-Assad, the only remaining question after Russian lawmakers officially cleared the way for airstrikes was how long it would be before the Western media began shouting about Russian warplanes bombing targets that aren’t affiliated with ISIS.

As we reported earlier today, Moscow wasted no time in launching its first round of air raids.

In turn, the West wasted no time in contending that Russia is targeting areas that aren’t known to be strategically significant for ISIS. Here’s a look at two headlines which do a nice job of summarizing all of the rhetoric which you’re about to hear emanating ceaselessly from every corner of the Western world in the coming days and weeks:

  • U.S. IS CONCERNED RUSSIA'S INTENT IS PROTECTING ASSAD: KERRY
  • U.S. HAS 'GRAVE CONCERNS' IF RUSSIA STRIKES OUTSIDE ISIL AREAS

And here’s WSJ with a sneak peek at the new narrative which Washington will be working hard to refine:

Russian President Vladimir Putin inserted his country directly into Syria’s war Wednesday, as Russian forces launched their first airstrikes against what Moscow said were Islamic State targets in the Middle Eastern nation.

 

But Western leaders raised doubts about whether Russia really intended to take the fight to Islamic State, or merely broaden the Syrian regime’s offensive against a wide range of other opponents.

 

For the U.S., the Russian strikes add new questions about the role of Russian forces in Syria. “While we would welcome a constructive role by Russia in this effort, today’s [meeting in Baghdad] hardly seems indicative of that sort of role and will in no way alter our operations,” a U.S. official said.

 

Warplanes targeted Islamic State military hardware and weapons stores, a spokesman for Russia’s Ministry of Defense told official news agencies hours after Russian lawmakers approved a request by Mr. Putin to allow the use of force abroad.

 

Framing the attacks as part of a fight against terrorism, Mr. Putin said that Russia will support the Syrian army from the air, without any ground operations, for the duration of the Syrian offensive.

 

“The only real way to fight international terrorism…is to act pre-emptively. and not wait till they [terrorists] come to our home,” Mr. Putin said in televised comments. He called for antiterror cooperation with other states through the Russian coordination center in Baghdad.

 

The official Syrian Arab News Agency reported Wednesday that Russian airstrikes hit areas under Islamic State control in Homs and Hama provinces, including the cities of Al Rastan and Talbiseh, near the town of Salamiyah, and the villages of al-Za’faran, al-Humr Hills, Eidoun, Salamiyah and Deir Fol. The strikes had successfully targeted Islamic State, SANA said, without elaborating.

 

But with the exception of the area east of the town of Salamiyah in Hama province, none of the areas listed by the Syrian regime have a known presence of Islamic State fighters. They are largely dominated by relatively moderate rebel factions and Islamist groups like Ahrar al-Sham and the al Qaeda affiliate the Nusra Front.

Yes, “relatively moderate rebel factions like al-Qaeda" (check the above, WSJ actually said that) which in July kidnapped the commander and deputy commander of the Pentagon’s ragtag group of US-trained rebels that was supposed to number in the thousands by now but has been reduced to just “four or five” men and which was humiliated last Friday when the remaining fighters were forced to surrender their pickup trucks and ammo to al-Nusra in order to “secure safe passage” to who knows where.

Considering that, and considering the "solid" relationship the US has always maintained with al-Qaeda, it sure would be a shame if a few al-Nusra operatives wound up as collateral damage in Russia’s air campaign. 

Then there's The Telegraph with an epic attempt to spin the news with a single headline: "Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil'".

Meanwhile, France - who recently went full-propaganda by using “self defense” to justify its newly launched Syrian bombing campaign - is out expressing its consternation about which groups Russia is bombing. Via Reuters:

France said it was "curious" that Russian air strikes in Syria on Wednesday had not targeted Islamic State militants and a diplomatic source added that Moscow's action appeared aimed at supporting President Bashar al-Assad against other opposition groups in the country's civil war.

 

The diplomatic source said it was in line with Russia's stance since 2012 that until there was a viable alternative to Assad, Moscow would not drop its support for him in the war that began in 2011 after a government crackdown on anti-Assad protests.

 

"Russian forces struck Syria and curiously didn't hit Islamic State," Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told lawmakers.

 

A French diplomatic source said the strikes, which seemed to have been carried out near Homs, an area crucial to Assad's control of western Syria. 

 

"It is not Daesh (Islamic State) that they are targeting, but probably opposition groups, which confirms that they are more in support of Bashar's regime than in fighting Daesh," the source said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

 

"We shall see what they do with their other strikes," the source said.

And then Germany (which, much to Moscow's chagrin, recently announced it’s set to receive a shipment of new US nukes) jumped on the bandwagon. Via Bloomberg:

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier says Russia needs to explain its aims in carrying out airstrikes in Syria. 

 

“In this highly charged situation in Syria there’s a big risk that there will be further misunderstandings between the partners, all of whom are needed to calm the situation”

 

“I hope that this isn’t slamming shut all the doors that were laboriously opened in recent days, including in talks between President Obama and President Putin”

 

“Only coordinated action can lead to a solution. Military action along won’t help us overcome the Syrian crisis. We have to get into a political process. We need the neighbors, Russia, the U.S., and we in Europe can be helpful, too."

There are two things to note here. First, there isn't anything "curious" about this and Vladimir Putin has made no secret of his intent to keep the Assad regime from falling. Indeed, it's not clear what else Putin could do besides invite Charlie Rose for a two hour interview and explain three separate times that Moscow intends to support Assad. Second, Germany's suggestion that Russia is "slamming shut all the doors to cooperation" is ridiculous to the point of absurdity. As the events that have unfolded over the past several weeks have made abundantly clear, it is the West that has slammed the door shut on Russia when it comes to cooperating to fight ISIS and the reason for Washington's trepidation stems directly from i) wanting to oust Assad at all costs even if it means allowing the extremists operating in Syria to remain active until the regime falls, and ii) the fact that no matter what line The White House trots out to the public, the US views the Russia-Iran "nexus" as far more dangerous to America's geopolitical ambitions than ISIS and therefore, allying with Washington's two fiercest foreign policy critics simply isn't an option even if such an alliance would swiftly eradicate Islamic State. 

And of course the narrative wouldn't be complete without some on-the-ground Skype "intelligence". Here's Reuters:

Russian air strikes in northwest Syria which Moscow said targeted Islamic State fighters hit a rebel group supported by Western opponents of President Bashar al-Assad on Wednesday, wounding eight, the group's commander said.

 

He said the fighters were hit in the countryside of Hama province, where the group has a headquarters.

 

"The northern countryside of Hama has no presence of ISIS at all and is under the control of the Free Syrian Army," Major Jamil al-Saleh, who defected from the Syrian army in 2012, told Reuters via Skype.

 

Saleh said his group had been supplied with advanced anti-tank missiles by foreign powers opposed to Assad.

The Homs area is crucial to President Bashar al-Assad's control of western Syria. Insurgent control of that area would bisect the Assad-held west, separating Damascus from the coastal cities of Latakia and Tartous, where Russia operates a naval facility.

 

"In the early morning this aircraft conducted air strikes in Latamneh city. One targeted a civilian area, and the other targeted al-Izza," Saleh said, referring to his group which he said were set up around two years ago and has 1,500 fighters.

 

He declined to give further details on the exact location of the strike but said the bombs hit a cave which the group used as a headquarters and was near the front line with the regime in northern Hama countryside.

 

"Each strike had 8-10 missiles and there were two strikes so there is no way it was an accident," he added.

No, it probably was not an accident, but what the Western powers want you to believe is that because they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge what's going on even when it is patiently explained to them by The Kremlin, then anything that happens is thereby a mystery. 

The bottom line going forward is that the US and its regional and European allies are going to have to decide whether they want to be on the right side of history here or not, and as we've been careful to explain, no one is arguing that Bashar al-Assad is the most benevolent leader in the history of statecraft but it has now gotten to the point where Western media outlets are describing al-Qaeda as "moderate" in a last ditch effort to explain away Washington's unwillingness to join Russia in stabilizing Syria. This is a foreign policy mistake of epic proportions on the part of the US and the sooner the West concedes that and moves to correct it by admitting that none of the groups the CIA, the Pentagon, and Washington's Mid-East allies have trained and supported represent a viable alternative to the Assad regime, the sooner Syria will cease to be the chessboard du jour for a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead.

 

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Wed, 09/30/2015 - 13:59 | 6612015 Nue
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Show me an Islamic Moderate and i'll show you a Unicorn that shits Rainbows.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:13 | 6612109 pazmaker
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Unicorns shit  rainbows of skittles ...so it's possible..

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:18 | 6612147 Johnny_Dangerously
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what an ignorant thing to say.

Watch a lot of Fox News, do you?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:19 | 6612154 negative rates
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Show me a french sweetheart, and i'll show you an old lady with no teeth.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:41 | 6612565 r0mulus
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You can sign up for a demonstration of both over in the MK Ultra wing.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:00 | 6612021 Bernard_2011
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Yes, our government whore media (NYT, WSJ) is now trying to protect the jihadists in Jabhat al-Nusra from Russian attack.

 

They tell us they are "relatively moderate".  By all means read this 2012 article all about Jabhat al-Nusra:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9716545/Insid...

 

Apparently the media sees the jihadists for some reason as a much lesser threat to the USA than Bashar Assad (who has never done or threatened to do anything to the USA).  Overthrow Assad and thereby let jihadists run Syria---this appears to be the Obama plan.  Nice to know we are in such good hands.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:02 | 6612033 PoasterToaster
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The problem with the oligarch propaganda is that they have spun too many webs for Boobus Americanus to follow.  People will just shut down when confronted with these complicated lies that are getting mixed up over the last 15 years.

The reason for apparent cycles in history is that every so often the incompetents get to be in charge, and screw up their pre planned narrative.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:02 | 6612035 JustTheTTIP
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Kirov reporting

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:05 | 6612057 10mm
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The IRA were freedom fighters labeled terrorist  as so are the PLO. 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:07 | 6612065 Joe Tierney
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Knuckle-draggers in Washington, London, Paris and Bonn are watching what happens when a real leader draws a red line and then that red line gets crossed.....

 

Putin said no more "democracy"-inspired regime changes allowed in Russia's sphere of interest, and Syria is the red line.

 

Knuckle-draggers - say 'goodbye' to your Sunni-Islamic terrorist proxies! Say 'goodbye' to Russian "isolation" as the Middle East lines up behind Russia-China.

 

Also say 'goodbye' to your Middle Eastern influence....

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:23 | 6612092 Son of Captain Nemo
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This is a foreign policy mistake of epic proportions on the part of the US and the sooner the West concedes that and moves to correct it by admitting that none of the groups the CIA, the Pentagon, and Washington's Mid-East allies have trained and supported represent a viable alternative to the Assad regime, the sooner Syria will cease to be the chessboard du jour for a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead.

"Foreign policy mistake"?... After 14 years of lie... after lie... after lie???....

No this is very deliberate!...  Just like the bombs going off in China since August, Russia can and will anticipate some asymmetric behavior coming from the Western crew here shortly somewhere in the Donbass to be sure...

There is no changing it. 

Russia and China are the new role model for the UN now called the BRICS and Washington, Tel Aviv and London will never allow that to happen upon pain of death!

YOUR DEATH!!! That is.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:11 | 6612100 HoserF16
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Lead, Follow or get out of the way. At this point, I strongly suggest you GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:21 | 6612165 Son of Captain Nemo
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George Carlin on just that subject!

P.S.

I know you must not have been talking about U.S. military ground forces because that would be too funny!

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:18 | 6612110 Mike Masr
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They can't build the proposed Nabucco pipeline with Assad in power. This is why it is imperative he must go. They have created the narrative that Assad is a demon on earth. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_pipeline

The western banksters never got the crown jewel of Crimea because Putin outsmarted them. Now the narrative is that Putin is Satan incarnate. 

I hope Russia-China destroys all the mercenary maggots there to topple Assad as well as all the CIA created ISIL maggots!!  

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:15 | 6612120 Lea
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"Russia's Syria Strikes Targeted US-Backed "Moderate" Rebels, West Says"

All five of them?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:16 | 6612135 Chuck Knoblauch
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And they all run to the UN to shake their fingers at eachother.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:19 | 6612155 NuYawkFrankie
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Does anyone ACTUALLY believe a single word that comes out of the mouth of the NeoCON ZIO-SCUMMM* anymore???

(SCUMMM* -  Satanioc Cabal Undwerwriting Mass-Murder & Mayhem)

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:21 | 6612167 Omega_Man
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So US now is going to say they are concerned with innocent people dying... Can't wait for USA to look like Syria.... need people in US to attack the government

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:21 | 6612170 general ambivalent
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< America is mad because Russia will not lose any equipment to ISIS.

< America is mad because Russia will lose minor equipment to ISIS, and ensure it is destroyed afterwards.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:22 | 6612174 Omega_Man
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Dear US Gov - FU

 

Dear Putin , ignore France and USSA and USUK

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:23 | 6612178 Omega_Man
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Dear US Gov - FU

 

Dear Putin , ignore France and USSA and USUK

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:23 | 6612179 Omega_Man
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Dear US Gov - FU

 

Dear Putin , ignore France and USSA and USUK

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:24 | 6612188 Phoenix901210
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So either the US is lying and these other terrorist groups were not the ones hit.

Or they were and:

A) Russia just took them out because they are a nuisance/ threaten Assad.

B) They are strategically helping ISIS and needed to be taken out.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:44 | 6612304 Volkodav
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report is leader Iyed Deek killed airstrike N. Homs

defected (or sold out) at beginning, claimed to be moderate

but deeds show otherwise.    

don't cry

 

 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:51 | 6612615 J Jason Djfmam
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How the fuck do you tell the difference between ISIS and non-ISIS fighters?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:18 | 6612753 Bankster Kibble
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Sort thru all the dead bodies and see if any of the IDs match names on the no-fly list?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:25 | 6612190 TAALR Swift
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Being a logical entity, might I suggest that the US coordinate their activities with Russia?  This would allow both parties to handle the ISIS/ISIL threat more effectively, if one is to assume that the IS is indeed a genuine Threat-of-Convenience (and not a clandestine Asset for Neocons)?

As for who is backing or attacking Domestic Freedom Fighters, since when have we thrown the Occidental/Western Rule of Law out the window and replaced it with the Islamic/Oriental Law of Rule

If the leader of a country is 'unacceptable' (for whatever real, imagined or contrived reasons), then the Rule of Law must still be used.  In this case, the US simply needs to work with Russia to minimize these alleged Human Rights Violations (HRV). 

I say "minimize", rather than "eliminate", because many blatant HRVs are being practiced by the Saudis (KSA), and the US is totally mum about this, and has been for many decades. Therefore, a certain level of HRVs is clearly acceptable, judging by the US two-faced behavior.  The US is in no position to be calling the kettle black, but that is exactly what Mr. Obama and his Neocon sponsors are doing.  

Note also, that given the level of cultural and religious fanaticism by so many parties in the MENA countries, perhaps a certain level of ruthless authoritarianism is a necessity, if the Masses are to live in any semblance of a Normal life.  If we examine history, it is clear that even the Romans had this problem of maintaining peace.  They chose to resort to Pax Romana as the means to an end:  violent extremists were dispatched in a swift and violent manner, to allow for slave labor (where Min Wages = food + shelter) and Free Enterprise, so that the Populace to be taxed to the max. for the benefit of the ruling elite (its own Deep State).

At this point of widespread, chronic pathological behavior, it is almost as though "Duplicity and Deceit is in their genes".  Which presents a different challenge and implies a different solution -- if a Cure is desired, rather than offering Prescriptions that merely alleviate the Symptoms.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:25 | 6612194 general ambivalent
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It is a bit hard for Russia to not strike the moderate rebels since the moderate rebels are a dual organisation along with the mainly fictitious/CIA front ISIS. 'Moderate rebels' is just in-plain-sight code for CIA proxies working with ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:06 | 6613007 Lucky Leprachaun
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+100

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:28 | 6612212 ClowardPiven2016
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What's wrong...weren't there any wedding party caravans available to bomb?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:38 | 6612276 BurningBetty
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In 1940s Hitler made the mistake of showing off aggressively and letting the Zionists get to him, forcing him to make mistakes. Putin has obviously learned from this mistake and is keeping his head cool on the geopolitical chess board. Planting the seeds of victory one seed at the time. No rushing. He is outplaying the West at their own game. 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:41 | 6612288 Winston Smith 2009
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Interesting that anyone in the west would even KNOW what the Russians were bombing since there aren't any AWACS in the area (or are there?) and space based surveillance isn't up to that task yet (or is it?)

Probably the easiest way for anyone in the west to know what forces they were hitting would be for the west to have direct comm with the forces being hit either by someone directly associated with those forces or attached to them. Which then would bring up the question as to why there'd be western attachments to anti-Assad forces. Of course, the answer to that is obvious.

NOT taking sides here, but it's humorous to observe the obvious lies and hypocrisy on ALL sides of the geopolitical game.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:41 | 6612292 DrData02
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How did the USA get a vote in Syria?  Do we have dual citizenship?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:50 | 6612337 Winston Smith 2009
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"How did the USA get a vote in Syria?"

The same way Russia and everyone else does, via military force.

It's all just another geopolitical Middle East power play, always has been, always will be. No side could be called "the hero," some sides are worse than others, and ALL are working solely on what they feel, foolishly or otherwise, to be in their own best interests with any benefit to any other side(s) being entirely accidental.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:41 | 6612564 Radical Marijuana
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While Russia may be considered to be acting according to its perception of its longer term national interests, and Putin may be considered to be a nationalist. Obama, and Washington in general, as well as all other NATO countries, act as political puppets for the international banksters' agenda, which is not the same as in their national interests.

By and large, NATO countries are controlled by their banksters, and tend to serve Zionist interests, more than the national interests of their own populations. Of course, most of the people in those NATO countries have been so totally brainwashed to believe in the banksters' bullshit, through their schools and the mass media, that the vast majority of people are so clueless that they do not have a clue how clueless they are.

NATO countries do not act in their own national interests. Rather, they are more like hosts for parasites that have taken them over. Therefore, those NATO countries tend to act in the interests of the predatory parasites that actually dominated the political processes within those countries, due to a long history of successful applications of the methods of organized crime through those political processes, until almost the only surviving and successful politicians in NATO countries act as the banksters' puppets, who are voted for by enough the masses of muppets.

By and large, what the government of the USA, as well as other NATO countries, actually do has very little objective relationship with the national interests of the people living in those countries. Rather, the various divide and conquer strategies of the best organized gangsters, that have captured control over those governments are directing those governments, in the ways that parasites can capture control over their host organisms. The USA, and well as various other NATO countries, have more been committing collective suicides, rather than acting in their own national interests.

The banksters were the ones who advanced their agenda of regime changes in countries which were not yet adequately integrated into their monetary systems. The resulting blowback of floods of refugees through those countries which suffered the consequences of those regime changing attacks from NATO powers is another benefit from the point of view of the banksters, because that surely advances their divide and conquer strategies in the countries which are deluged by those refugees.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:40 | 6612877 rollonman
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Maybe the floods of refugees both in Europe and the US is a planned event by the banksters, after all how are they to keep our monetary system from imploding without more muppets to borrow more debt.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:33 | 6613125 Winston Smith 2009
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Right, poor little Russia and China. They would act differently if the power balance was swapped.

No, they wouldn't. That's my point.

It doesn't matter who's the marginal "better guy" right now. They won't be tomorrow.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 00:09 | 6614499 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, Winston, I agree that neither Russia nor China are the "good guys." I was merely stating my view that NATO countries do not appear to be acting the national interests of their own people.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:00 | 6612658 schadenfreude
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And in then end the winner writes the history, stating to be the hero.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:15 | 6612738 Bankster Kibble
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Guess I'd better brush up on my Russian grammar, then.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:46 | 6612315 SmittyinLA
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Those that teamed up with Obama are going down, the hard way

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:49 | 6612331 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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Maria Zakharova, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson:

http://tass.ru/en/politics/825047 NEW YORK, September 30. /TASS/. There’s no time left to wait and immediate action is needed against Islamic State — this has been the main signal coming from foreign ministers addressing a UN Security Council session, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said on Wednesday. "One phrase runs all through the speeches of those addressing today’s session of the UN Security Council — it is time to act, we have no time left to wait," she told reporters at a briefing. The spokesperson marked, however, a dangerous but important tendency of western media ‘stovepiping’ on civilian victims in Russian air strikes in Syria. "Hardly had Russia launched an operation to fight Islamic State, which is carried out at the request of official Damascus as it has been repeatedly said, hardly had [Foreign Minister] Sergey Lavrov said the first words at the UN Security Council, when numerous media stovepiping appeared on civilians dying in the Russian operation," Zakharova said. "All this is an information attack, a war of which we have heard so many times," she added. The Federation Council upper house of Russia's parliament on Wednesday granted permission to the Russian president to use Russian armed forces in Syria. "The Federation Council unanimously supported the president’s request with 162 votes in favour [of granting permission]," Russian Presidential Administration chief Sergey Ivanov said. Russia would use only its air force in Syria against Islamic State at Syrian President Bashar Assad’s request, he said.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:53 | 6612344 22winmag
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McCain is going to blow a gasket!

 

His Army is getting it's ass handed to itself.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:24 | 6612490 Jethro
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if by "blow a gasket" you mean "have an aneurysm", we can only hope.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:24 | 6612787 Grimaldus
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McCain is about as progressive as they come. He damn sure is not a constitutional conservative is he?

One more time----The progressive stupid, it burns.

 

 

Grimaldus

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:56 | 6612367 Raul44
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You know what even if it was true I still support it. Because I dont believe those anti Assad lies at all. Therefore anybody opposing him is not to be trusted.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 14:57 | 6612369 SmittyinLA
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Be funny if Putin's spies were using US satellites &  intelligence to target ISIS, I'm sure he has people in the targeting conters

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:14 | 6612732 Bankster Kibble
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"We know everything."   - Putin to Charlie Rose.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:07 | 6612412 Able Ape
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Eat shit, Obama - you're a loser and I'm being kind.....

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:09 | 6612418 jacship
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The new gooburmint lie

 

ruskies be warned

 

you can't attack

 

al-Qaeda the "moderates"

our new new new friends

until farther notice

 

is this your fathers socialism


Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:11 | 6612428 roadhazard
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How many civilian casualties so far by the Ruskies.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:25 | 6612495 Jethro
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In the middle east, and central Asia. All combatants are considered civilians if you are on the losing side.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:23 | 6612780 roadhazard
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So that's why ZH'ers bring it up all the time.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:21 | 6612467 Jethro
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I still have to consider the possibility of some sort of collusion between Russia and the US in all of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:23 | 6612475 Radical Marijuana
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Flashback to 2012,

Macabre Humour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzX9DqaHjo

TRAINED KILLERS MAY KILL !

 
Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:26 | 6612497 WFO
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Drive the headchoppers to Saudi Arabia, the only place they are viewed as "moderate". 

The whole 'War on Terror" was predicated on taking out Al Qaeda, the patsy for 9/11. Now, the US is screaming foul. How rich.

My son is an officer and service academy graduate, and I can't even talk to him about the War on Terror - he is so brainwashed that Al Qaeda is the biggest enemy of the US, that when I mention anything contrary, he shuts down. This news that they are now "moderate rebels" should short circuit his cognitive dissonance, but I doubt it. Military men can't think while active duty. And that oath to the Constitution, just a piece of paper.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:56 | 6612950 Lucky Leprachaun
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That's really sad about your son.  The ZioCon MIC has done a superbly effective brainwashing job on impressionable young people, fattening them up as cannon-fodder.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:30 | 6612517 bid the soldier...
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Calling the Rebels the Free Syrian Army is like calling Obama a harmless nigger.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:26 | 6612797 lasvegaspersona
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Posts like this are another reason I can't send most people to ZH.

It has articles that you won't find anywhere else but the average person, who needs a good alternative to CNN the most, is not going to visit a site filled with racist and anti-semetic posts.

Save it for your local bar.

Many of us have very negative opinions about the prez but this kind of name calling hurts ZH and diminishes its mission.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:45 | 6612897 AlfredNeumann
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Shove the political correctness up your fucking ass.   We tell it the way it is.

BTW I am PRO semite.  Palestinians are SEMITES , Jews are NOT

That little word game the Jews concocted won't wash anymore.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:02 | 6612980 farflungstar
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The little word games that keep everyone fighting amongst themselves while Hymie & Co. float above it all...like methane..

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:21 | 6613339 bid the soldier...
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so we have

very negative opinions

About the lying fraud who carefully represented himself as a man of peace just to be the first Negro president.  

And then he fooled the imbiciles in Norway into awarding him the Peace Prize.  And has already killed civilians more than the nigger who preceded him, George W. Bush.

Now you say we have to be meek and gentle with our figurehead president and butcher-in-chief...

and not refer to him in language with anything stronger than 'naughty'.

Take your pathetic argument to the hundreds of police officers who shoot unarmed niggers in the back.  Tell them it's alright to shoot them in the back, just don't call them niggers. 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 20:25 | 6613765 Moe Howard
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The average person would never, ever, read or post on ZH. You are living a pipe dream. Now pass the pipe.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 00:30 | 6614530 Cherubim
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No need for racist drivel. If you don't like him for policy reasons, that's one thing. But why drag race into it?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:32 | 6612521 Paracelsus
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Well Libya and Iraq are such success stories.Ask the Italians if they would like some more N.African migrants..

Where are the gold reserves from all these liberated countries? And Ukraines' gold?

The Saudi  (lesser) royalty is beginning to make palace coup type rumors about leadership and such...

This has never happened before.Perhaps the Saudi princes are getting "nudge,nudge,wink,wink" from

their CIA handlers.The Saudis should remember how the Langley lads did over the Kurds several times.

Assad protected the religious minorities who were getting chewed up by ISIS recently.

Least dirty shirt in the wash basket.We are backing the wrong guys.... 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:07 | 6612699 Cherubim
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All this instability and Gold goes down $12.00. Go figure.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:38 | 6612550 Joebloinvestor
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Hey Barry!

 

Time to threaten more people with your crew!

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:52 | 6612618 F.A. Hayek
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Leave Obama alone, he dint do nuffins.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:54 | 6612623 message
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Ordering to small children to sing about putin & assad regimes who today killed 32 civilians - now that is ruskie propaganda style:

https://youtu.be/PMABkLa4WMI

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:46 | 6612676 L Bean
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Welcome to the new thread, Potato Trader!

Is there some sort of delay at Moldovan Internet Headquarterz or was it just vodka-break time?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:26 | 6612799 Baby Bladeface
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Hiretroll drop feces, but the owner, disgusted by the performance schizophrenous abomination, gives as recompense a potato, one.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:30 | 6612829 AlfredNeumann
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I am amazed they give him time to comment while he is flipping burgers at the Riga Mc Donalds.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:51 | 6612922 L Bean
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Commas are become extraneous in world of modern eras.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:33 | 6612846 farflungstar
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one potato per post, limit 10 per day. You're probably on free time by now.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:07 | 6613015 AlfredNeumann
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I bet you believed the baby incubator story in Kuwait also in 1990.   Totally debunked and the woman who was forced to say it admitted to it

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:28 | 6613370 bid the soldier...
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How you love to ignore the wedding parties the Saudis and Americans shoot up.

You know why.

You are the personification of propaganda; the misbegotten child of Josef Goebbels.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:54 | 6612629 spyware-free
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We're supposed to believe the crocodile tears for civilian casualties coming from the US admin? Really? After how many millions of civilians were killed, injured, displaced due to US bombing in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.
Looking at the propaganda videos the "rebels" put up, I don't see 1 woman or child. All younger men of fighting age. Looks like a nest of terrorists were bombed by those Russian fighters. I guess we need to believe the Pentagon and not our lying eyes.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 15:54 | 6612632 b a n n e d
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Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:20 | 6612766 lasvegaspersona
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We have always been allied with al-Queda.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:21 | 6612770 Zwelgje
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They think they're sooo smart.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:28 | 6612815 AlfredNeumann
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The goal of these slimy american Nazi bastards has been to get rid of Assad and steal the warm water port of Tartus from Russia.

Same fucking game they tried in Ukraine but Putin is wise to the slimy Americunt bastards.

Bullies always get their comeuppance and the Americunt Nazi bullies are over due for theirs.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:29 | 6612819 farflungstar
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Wait are these the moderates who switched sides once they took AmeriKa's cash and weapons and entered Syria?

Doesn't sound too moderate, OR trustworthy to me. 

In any case, buh-bye ISIS! Run home to israel and Saudi Arabia and Turkey crying and bleeding the whole way. No half-measure by the Russians

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:31 | 6612835 Uncle Remus
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Oi. This is exciting!

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:31 | 6612839 LawsofPhysics
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The 'merican MIC/banker complex wanted a proxy war.  Putin is happy to oblige them.  Everyone's making money...

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:32 | 6612843 Socratic Dog
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You'll be work food.  But hopefully your genes will have been passed on (and not aborted out of existence).  That's the point of life.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:32 | 6612845 AlfredNeumann
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Intercepted message from ISIS to CIA handlers

''Send more Depends''

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:48 | 6612913 L Bean
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Ok, I lol'd.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:53 | 6612931 Lucky Leprachaun
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Excellento!!

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:40 | 6612875 AlfredNeumann
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Message to the dipshit  ''Message''

The longer the comment the less likely it will be read.

But what can you expect from a potato farmer with one brain cell.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:25 | 6613100 Sturm und Drang
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Eye for an Eye?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:46 | 6612905 bankonzhongguo
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Sadly, I am rooting for Russia on this.

I just like the idea of somebody in this world actually proving what a coked-up super-twink Obama really is.

He brags to all his friends that he's really a power bottom on a break, but Mr Noble Prize is a special class of sociopath and somebody needs to take his toys away from him.

Sadly Russia and China are doing it.

Amazingly, Obama will retaliate for this humiliation (and it is a foreign policy humiliation on such a grand scale it has no words in the human language to describe it) - he will retaliate on the American people by importing Muslims with terrorist tendencies into your own backyard.

Obama can't torture little animals in the neighbors yard, so he is going to come home and lay waste to America in his last year in office.

Pray for all the innocents on the ground - in Syria, Iraq and soon your own home town.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:52 | 6612924 Lucky Leprachaun
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Hater!  All those Muslims will culturally enrich your community.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:02 | 6612977 nnnnnn
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whaaaaaaat?   you dont like the idea of young muslim immigrants gang raping your daughter at the school toilet?  you racist 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 21:42 | 6614057 Wahooo
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What is sad about supporting stability and peace of a nation? I cheer your support of Mr. Putin and Rissia. God Bless them!

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:48 | 6612912 pot_and_kettle
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Russia is attacking US's official pets in the syrian " opposition " and Uncle Sam is screaming like Celine Dion

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 16:58 | 6612955 AlfredNeumann
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Message by ISIS 'HomsBoy''.   Those bombs are getting closer.  Please Mr. Ashton Carter, could you help us...........................BOOM.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:00 | 6612967 QuickFrozen
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Tovarisch ZH.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:04 | 6612978 AlfredNeumann
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Seems like the televised ''beheadings'' have come to an abrupt halt.  Their movie studio was hit today.

Those 7 foot ISIS beheaders are now midgets. or a million pieces blowing in the Syrian wind.


Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:15 | 6613050 The Greek horse
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Exactly Bro!= 

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:05 | 6613004 AlfredNeumann
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Message from ISIS HQ to Mossad HQ .

Please send us the black Adidas instead of White Nikes.  They can be seen from Russian satellites.

Also,  we want to trade in the Toyotas for Teslas.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:07 | 6613012 Teh Finn
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Russia in Syria: Air strikes on Western-backed rebel areas 'kill 36 civilians'

 

And the rus civilian bodycount leaps forward...

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:09 | 6613020 AlfredNeumann
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killing civilians by USA/Israel = Good

Killng civillians by Russia = Bad

Hey fuckface, you and your buttfucking troll buddy ''Message'' are pathetic fucktards.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:28 | 6613111 Sturm und Drang
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Civilians ARE terrorists. Ask DHS.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:13 | 6613037 AlfredNeumann
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IN order to make an omelet you have to scramble a few eggs.

At least they aren't purposely targetting women and children like you coward IDF zioNazi goons in Israel.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:44 | 6613174 bluez
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After the cracking is done, the scrambling is an act of mercy.

You seem to need some "anger management" Alfred. (It probably is just another fake phycho-gimmick.)

Please cut the anger. You're disturbing the sheeple. (Which is not any help, since they're sheeple.)

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:14 | 6613039 Teh Finn
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Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:46 | 6613186 Miketheterrible
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http://www.russiadefence.net/t4401p285-syrian-civil-war-news-2#124143

 

It appears Teh Finn, you are lying.  Evidence can be found in the link.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:47 | 6613450 Teh Finn
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I'm not lying I just linked an article.  You pootin bathboys are the queerest.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 07:59 | 6615021 Element
Element's picture

Sputniknews is a Russian Govt propaganda website - it has zero credibility.

Why didn't you just give a link to Radio Moscow?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 08:08 | 6615043 Rock On Roger
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Is that a theory, O great Wise One?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 08:52 | 6615182 Element
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No, there is extensive verified evidence of Sputniknews being a Russian propaganda site. But it is loved by admirers of both lies and of lie-makers.

i.e.  people like you ... have a read bitch.

__________________

 

Classic Bullshit

http://nobsrussia.com/2015/09/15/classic-bullshit/

Ready to see a thorough examination of one of the Kremlin media’s favorite bullshit tactics, along with a perfect example of how the “anti-fascist” Russian media outlets promote xenophobia and racism? Look no further than this hilariously bad article on, you guessed it, Sputnik, entitled “Refugee Influx May Force European Exodus to Siberia.”

First let’s start with the title. “Refugee influx may force European exodus to Siberia” is like saying “An asteroid may hit the Earth.” Actually the probability of the latter is slightly higher. Lots of media outlets can be weasel-ish with modal verbs like may, but this is insane. As you will soon see, this is the equivalent of hearing a homeless guy at the bus stop tell you the Illuminati is beaming messages into his head, and then publishing a story with the headline “World may be controlled by Illuminati via Thought Manipulation.”

So what is Sputnik’s source on this shocking info? Well it turns out to be “the Polish media.” Well, okay, not all of the Polish media. In fact it turns out to be a “Polish news website” called Obserwator Polityczny (Political Observer). Looking at the website, it is a bit spartan, with very little in the way of contact info and it seems like all its articles are written by one author, who writes under the rather curious pseudonym “Krakauer.” Googling the name of the publication brings up numerous Russian site, many of them state run outlets.

As for the slant of the site, my Polish isn’t great but some articles had been translated into Russian (rather odd for a Polish news site), and there is the content cited by Sputnik, which is very telling. Essentially, the site appear to be right-wing, anti-EU and anti-immigrant. Poland has a reputation for right wing politics, but there’s something else about this site that makes it stick out like a sore thumb compared to traditional Polish right-wing politics. It’s not simply that it’s pro-Russian; there are at least some right-wing Poles which have taken the side of Russia in some matters, contrary to the typical tendency. But this is another matter entirely.

There are many Eastern European right-wingers who have genuinely Russophobic beliefs, but I’m guessing if you asked them why they side with Russia they’ll give you a sort of “good fences make good neighbors explanation,” i.e. “Our enemy is in Brussels, and if we can take advantage of Russia to aid us in that struggle, so much the better, so long as they don’t interfere in our affairs.” This is why so much of the European right, in spite of its rabid anti-Communism and anti-leftism, sided with the self-proclaimed “anti-fascist” Russia against Ukraine’s openly anti-Communist right wing parties like Svoboda and Praviy Sektor. The latter were associated with a movement that was painted by both sides as a pro-European Union coup or revolution. What is more, it was Ukrainian land at risk, not Hungarian, Greek, or Bulgarian. What you don’t generally hear any of these right-wingers clamoring for, however, is a straight up Russian invasion like in the Crimea. Seriously, let’s unpack this Hitlertastic article:

The huge influx of migrants into Europe might one day force the Europeans to flee their own land, seeking for shelter. The Polish media even suggests they could find refuge in Russia’s Siberia; many already see it as “durable and stable” and secretly wish the “polite people in green uniforms would one day ensure their stability”.

As I alluded to before, “The Polish media” doesn’t suggest shit. A shady website in Russian and Polish made this suggestion. This is also one of the most idiotic ideas ever, quite obviously revealing the Russian nationality of the author. Note the use of the word “stable” to describe Siberia and by extension Russia. “Stability” is a lynch pin of the Russian elite’s narrative. Don’t rock the boat! You’ll lose your stability and fall into chaos! The irony of course is that Russians don’t get stability. Virtually nothing is stable in Russia. Developed Western countries are far more stable in virtually every measurable way, to the point of being downright boring.

Another tell-tale vatnik sign is the fantasy that Europeans secretly wish that Russian “polite people,” i.e. soldiers like those who invaded the Crimea, would some in and bring them that precious “stability.” This “Polish” publication doesn’t give us any quotes, surveys, or examples to back this up. It flat out claims that Europeans “secretly” wish this without explaining how they divined such information.

Having found themselves in the middle of the migrant chaos, many Europeans may one day wish to simply run away from the problem, suggests the Polish news website Obserwator Polityczny.

Once again we see tell-tale signs of vatnost. First there’s the typical xenophobia of the Russian media about immigrants in Europe. More importantly, there’s that word “chaos.” Chaos is juxtaposed to Russian “stability.” In Russia’s domestic media, the world is portrayed as this horribly chaotic mess, while Russia has stability. Well, except for the rising prices, the falling ruble, the falling airplanes, the crumbling roads, banks getting their licenses yanked right and left, massive holes in the budget, foreign policy snap-decisions with terrible consequences, budget cuts, plant closures, riots, acts of terrorism, censorship, etc. And it’s worth pointing out that Russian media, including domestic media, doesn’t necessarily deny the existence of any of those things. Instead what they do is threaten the population with CHAOS! lest they think about actually doing something about those problems, or more specifically, lest they come to the conclusion that Putin’s peculiar system is responsible for their woes, as opposed to the West.

The horror show must go on:

“With the deepening collapse of the West, every year Russia will become the only durable and stable country in an unstable environment,” the website states.”

With all the problems of austerity and the economic crisis in the West, Western standards of living and economic indicators are far above those of Russia, and many of Russia’s economic woes aren’t tied to the sanctions either. And since we’re talking about the West, that includes countries like the United States. So how badly is the US crumbling? Oh…Right…Shit.

Again we have yet another very Russian meme. To be sure, this thing has been trumpeted by all sorts of people, including many uninformed Americans, but regardless of who’s saying it, the bottom line is this- Even if the West were collapsing, it’s doing far better than Russia, and there is nothing, literally nothing, to indicate that Russia is somehow going to rapidly reverse this situation. For comparison, let us look at the example of Soviet industrialization. The Russian empire collapsed, civil war and insurgency raged for years after the fact, and the territory was devastated by famine and disease. One might look at the Soviet success in industrialization while the rest of the capitalist world suffered from the Depression and claim that this is proof that Russia could surprise us today. Sorry but that’s bullshit. The USSR had something up its sleeve that made that possible, a foundation in their centralized planned economy plus revolutionary zeal. Modern day Russia has neither of these things. It has a tiny elite made up of thieving hypocrites who are scared shitless of being held accountable for the crimes against their own citizens.

Lastly on this point, I just need to remind the reader that the collapse of the West, particularly the United States, would be economically devastating for Russia. In any case, if there is some inevitable global crisis that drags the developed world to its death, Russia will most likely perish some time before that moment.

Also, do I even need to point out how there’s a reason all these refugees are flooding toward “crumbling” Europe as opposed to rising Russia and its BFF’s China and India? Weird how they flock to the decaying West and not the BRICS alternative, huh?

“Even today, many people from countries ruled by soft-gender politicians, which are unable to cope with the relatively trivial problem of illegal immigration, look to Russia with admiration and hope.”

“Soft-gender” politicians? Does that mean short politicians with bizarre complexes who stage photo sessions of themselves working out with a male friend and drinking tea with them afterwards? Also if illegal immigration is such a trivial problem, why is it going to lead to an apocalypse that threatens to drive Europeans en masse into Siberia? And who are these Europeans who look to Russia with admiration and hope? Where are the surveys? Quotes? This is even worse than Fox News’ infamous “some people say.”

I might also ask as to who believes Russia has solved the problem of illegal immigration. Illegal immigration in Russia is still a massive problem, exacerbated by corruption. The only thing that has led to a decrease in illegal immigration is the economic downturn, which has convinced some migrants to go elsewhere.

The website is sure that Russian politicians will “not leave their residents and hide under the desk, waiting until circumstances change so that they can go to the cameras again and lie”.

The “website” is sure of that? Than “the website” is a fucking moron. Russian politicians lie constantly. While they aren’t necessarily hiding under any desks, they are typically hiding in New York, London, the South of France, on yachts, in palaces, etc.

It also states that the Russian model of state organization has proved to be “more effective, more efficient and, basically, fully resistant to interference”.

Yeah, I know this is basically bullshit boilerplate, but I have to point out that not only is this laughably false, but the Russian government itself clearly doesn’t believe the last point. It spends tons of money and resources chasing the shadows of the next “Maidan” or “color revolution” within its borders. By contrast, the rapidly “collapsing” US doesn’t give a shit if you want to go on Youtube and talk about “prepping” for the day you have to fight the federal government, holding your tricked out AR-15 and wearing a military-quality tactical chest rig. Who’s more stable again?

The Russians, it elaborates, can sleep peacefully in their beds all the way from Kaliningrad (Russia’s westernmost city) to Magadan (Russia’s easternmost large city on the Pacific), because they are confident that “whoever comes to them with a sword, will perish by the sword”.

Again, more evidence that a Russian originally wrote this, or at least dictated it to some isolated Polish toady. First of all, people in stable nations don’t stay up at night worrying about military invasions. If any significant number of Russian citizens actually fear a Barbarossa-like invasion, it speaks volumes about their critical thinking skills. Or at least it would if we didn’t already know who is responsible for planting this meme- the Russian media.

While all those Russian people may be safe from the threat of invasion, seeing as how nobody plans to invade Russia, rest assured many are losing sleep thanks to layoffs, rising prices, and constantly being told that they’re going to suffer at the hands of a NATO invasion, civil war, terrorism, gays, etc. Meanwhile, how many Germans or French people are seriously questioning whether or not they might be conquered by a foreign invader?

And all the above, it adds, is despite the country having given refuge to millions of people who have fled the war-torn Donbass region into Russia and despite the anti-Russian sanctions.

Sorry but Russia has not given refuge to “millions” of people. The highest estimate is somewhere around 800,000 people. Other estimates say that about 1.5 million people were displaced, with roughly half going to Ukrainian government controlled territory and the other half going to Russia. In any case, rather than taking refuge in Siberia, they have been deliberately resettled in those areas, and as you might expect from a country that treats its own citizens like shit, being a Ukrainian refugee in Russia is no picnic. See when vatniks want to justify arming a rebellion and invading, it’s for the sake of poor, persecuted Russian-speakers, residents of the Russkiy Mir. But when they show up asking for help, they’re suddenly Ukrainians again, and the Russian attitude to them is about as hospitable as it is towards Arab refugees.

Now are you ready to get a heaping helping of Russian anti-fascism?

The migrants who keep coming in from the Middle East and Africa, the website says, are not respecting their laws and customs and even at night behave in a way which most people perceive as a threat.

Xenophobic much? Now you can claim that maybe this was indeed written by a right wing Pole, but why then does Sputnik not call out this racism and xenophobia? After all, isn’t Russia gravely concerned about the rise of Nazism in Europe? Oh wait, that’s right, fascism is fine so long as the fascists don’t call themselves Nazis and openly praise Hitler. That and they support Russian foreign policy goals.

Once again we have a funny contradiction though. In Russia, this should fit under the definition of “extremism,” specifically inciting hatred against other religions or ethnic groups. But when the message is useful for Russian propaganda purposes, it’s just fine.

One interesting thing about this is the selectivity of Russian censorship. For example, if a genuine Russian racist complains online about the “flood” of Tajik, Uzbek, and other Central Asian immigrants, legal or otherwise, they will generally be untouched so long as they don’t also engage in anti-regime politics. He could even spread antisemitism too, for example, by making allegations that Ukraine’s leadership have secret Jewish heritage. Of course this can’t be accompanied by swastikas and praise of Hitler, but it’s perfectly acceptable to talk about Ukraine being run by gay, liberal, Jewish Nazis.
In Hungary, for example, a peaceful night’s rest has become a long-forgotten memory. Residents have taken control of their neighborhoods, patrolling villages and small towns, because the Hungarian government is apparently afraid to intervene, for fear of the derision of the European press and accusations of fascism.

Hmmm… A Polish website says that about Hungary? What’s their source? What residents? The only source I found on this subject was this article on the Hungarian far right, specifically the Jobbik party and some more radical groups. It’s worth noting that the Jobbik party and Viktor Orban are both friendly to the Kremlin and its ideological think tanks and organizations, this in spite of the rabidly anti-Communist ideology which clashes against Russia’s recent monopolization of WWII’s victory over fascism. Hungarian far-right nationalists have also formed a unit in the “armed forces of Novorossiya” in the Donbas.

Lastly, make a separate note that the government, in spite of being considered quite illiberal, is supposedly afraid to “intervene” because of accusations of fascism. This is a common right wing meme- the idea that the evil leftist establishment will use the fascist label to cow any dissent. If ever there was a justified accusation of fascism, it would be that leveled against far-right nationalist militias forming gangs and using violence against people based on their ethnicity.

Again, the Sputnik authors do nothing to criticize this. After all, Russia’s government and media, including Sputnik, seem quite happy to lob accusations of fascism at everyone under the sun, including people who were historically persecuted by fascists. Is the Russian media not disturbed at this xenophobia and racism, in a former Axis country that participated in the invasion of the Soviet Union, no less?

“There are fewer countries in the world where you can lie down to sleep in peace, without fear that a stranger will come to your home at night and cause you harm.”

Take a look at Russian crime statistics some time, not that they’re particularly reliable.

A year ago, the newswire says, ordinary Europeans couldn’t have been foreseen that today they might appreciate being in Crimea’s shoes, and readily greet the appearance of “polite people in green uniforms ensuring stability, peace and security.”

Aaaaand…Where’s the evidence that they appreciate this now? Where’s the clamor to be invaded by Russian soldiers, who incidentally, don’t ensure peace or that precious stability that makes Russians’ mouths water?
The above comes in reference to the term “polite people”, which was used to describe the Russian troops who anonymously maintained order during the unification of the Crimea peninsula with Russia in 2014.

I’m only including this line because of the part about “anonymously maintained order.” They say that because as we all remember, cowardly little Putin initially denied his troops were in the Crimea at all, then later admitted it. Now it’s called “anonymously maintaining order.” In reality, they created disorder in the first place.

But then another question pops up: where will Europe get these peacekeepers from?

Sure, that question just pops up, if you’re a drooling moron. Europe doesn’t need peacekeepers, in the same way the Crimea didn’t need peacekeepers after 22 February 2014. If America had pulled something like this in say, Galicia, Kremlin media would be shitting bricks of rage.

Get ready for some real hilarity now:
In Poland, the website says, most professional soldiers are only on duty until 3:00 p.m. Then, it explains, they put on their civilian clothes and go home, like ordinary workers.

What’s the point of this, you ask? Read on…

It is no different anywhere else in in Europe. Western countries have their armies, which already do not have tanks, because they are too expensive, and during training they have to save on ammunition.

Are you getting this? This is clearly Russian vatnik fap material. LOOK AT OUR TANKS! OUR POWERFUL ARMY! Note that they don’t mention which Western countries don’t have tanks due their expense. If anything Western countries, including major powers like the US and basketcases like Greece, have too many tanks. Modern war planners are deliberately phasing out tanks because they simply aren’t effective anymore. US military brass have actually asked Congress to stop buying tanks, as they have far more than they can even possibly use or store.

As for ammunition during training- I know from talking with actual Russian army veterans that people who aren’t infantry or combat arms fire about five rounds from a Kalashnikov. By contrast, your average American army recruit will fire several thousand rounds in the three weeks of Basic Rifle Marksmanship in basic training, regardless of their MOS.  They are then required to re-qualify with their duty weapon every six months. Marine rifle marksmanship is even more thorough.

What the authors missed was the fact that like the US, many Western countries have professional armies. That means people volunteer willingly. This is contrasted with the Russian army, which is still largely conscript based and filled with young men who serve only one year. In that time they still face all kinds of abuse and corruption and make something around 2000 rubles a month.

And this might be a cheap shot, but there were some other guys who reviled professional armies as “mercenaries,” writing in their political program: “We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.” They called themselves “National Socialists.”

Finally we go out on this note:

“The Russians have television, and have Internet access to see what’s going on in Europe”, it states.

They have Russian television, which tells them Europe is full of Arab terrorists (who are actually agents of the CIA) and gay rapists, all of which is just fine because it serves the regime’s narrative. As for internet access, far fewer people have it in Russia than in Western countries. Hmmm…How odd for a country that’s supposedly so much better off than the West.  And of course, the state is constantly working to censor and block the internet more and more, as it is a threat to the elite and Putin himself.

So there you have it, an obscure, suspiciously Russian-sounding site becomes “the Polish media” according to Sputnik, it makes bizarre claims without any evidence, to the point of pontificating about what Europeans “secretly” desire (if we go by Russian TV, the answer would be “more dick”).

This is a classic tactic for Russian propaganda. Cite some random blog or bare-bones news portal and call it “the Western media” or “Western sources.” One common tactic is to cite Global Research in this manner, when those doing the writing know fully well that this conspiracy site is run by 100% pro-Kremlin people. It’s basically a variation on the tactic whereby random bloggers or Youtube users are given titles like “political analyst” by RT.

The other takeaway from this lesson in bullshit is the hypocrisy of the Kremlin’s propaganda. They’re happy to scream: “WHAT ABOUT IRAQ, LIBYA, AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA?!” And yet at the same time, they spread xenophobic propaganda about how immigrants, some from those very same countries, are going to destroy Europe. On that note, the article is obvious race baiting, and as there is no criticism or acknowledgement of this fact, we must conclude that the tone is approving. I’m putting that out there for anyone who considers themselves and anti-racist or progressive leftist, yet still takes Russian media seriously. Remember, this isn’t a private corporation like Fox News. This is state run. What does it say about this crusader for “anti-fascism” when they regurgitate and in some cases, produce right wing, even fascist propaganda?*

Overall, the problem with Sputnik is that it’s a sign that as Russia decided to wage information war in 2013, the quality of its propaganda has gone down considerably, as its foreign language propaganda begins to resemble its domestic propaganda. This is one reason why their information war has, in the course of roughly two years, been nothing but a spectacular failure. Had they cared about truth and quality, they could have built a reputable foreign language media machine that really would become an alternative to the “Western media,” which does indeed have its biases. But in the rigid, top-down system of the Kremlin, objectivity, standards, and self-criticism are seen as disloyalty or defeatism. Thus quality takes a back seat to the message, and the message is diluted by the idiotic strategy of confusion.

*Here is a rather excellent article I read recently on the topic of contradictions in Kremlin propaganda and soft power.

UPDATE: Russian journalist Alexei Kovalev has investigated the Polish site in question and it is openly connected to the Russkiy Mir foundation, e.g. a Russian government think tank. The site’s traffic appears to come virtually exclusively from Russian media sources. Sorry but the link is only in Russian.

http://nobsrussia.com/2015/09/15/classic-bullshit/
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Evidence makes theories surplus to requirement, oh super-moron troll dickwad.  :D

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:13 | 6613036 Fireman
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U$$A'$ Saudi Mercan dollah "backed" I$I$ gets iced...in the ongoing currency wars.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:14 | 6613044 The Greek horse
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America has LOST it's credibility from the whole worlds view.. Quit is what OUR stupid elected government and especially fucking politicians should do!! My critical thinking says? does the USSA puts aside the(masters) plan to get Syria and then IRAN to complete with the exception of North Korea the NWO totalitarian  dominance Agenda? I like to believe it will be pushed aside for now! The second option is WWW3 if the USSA decides to engage by creating a false flag attack and/or foreign/domestic locations to continue looking like a spoiled kid that did not get his Lamborghini once he got his drivers license!! If America decides to attack this will be the beginning of the END of an empire.. I was born and live in NYC now that is my looking over my back.. Putin TKO OBAMA what do you expect.. PUTIN is a macho man with high IQ and OBAMA is a FAG/ sorry bisexual I mean what is the fucking difference.. Even Donald trump said let Russia fight ISIS!! Tyler(s) good job on this article    

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:28 | 6613115 gunzeon
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Gee, it sure would be a surprise if the Russians happened to be backing The Afghani Taliban ...

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 17:45 | 6613179 Miketheterrible
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It gets worst than that.  I came accross this post on a forums: Russiadefence.net and it is sick:

http://www.russiadefence.net/t4401p285-syrian-civil-war-news-2#124143

It appears that George Soro's group White Helmet in Syria is not only lying about the bombs from Russia killing civillians, it appears they are also guilty of execution.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:12 | 6613293 Hannibal
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The Soros-sponsored "White Helmets," operating in Syria, is busy with cooking up lies.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150930/1027807644/ngo-caught-faking-...

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:35 | 6613403 SmittyinLA
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If only I could get anti tank missiles, I could fix Syria with 1 good shot.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:40 | 6613424 bid the soldier...
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So Putin's forces have taken the field.

And the neocons in Washington have started to lament that a nuclear war might ensue.

Time for Wolfowitz to talk the idiot Negro down from a total nuclear exchange while pretending he isn't backing down

But will he be able to convince Lady MacNegro not to insist that her husband let the deuterium daggers fly?

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 18:41 | 6613430 SmittyinLA
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I'd like a FSA white helmet with a bullet hole in the middle to match my blue one

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 19:02 | 6613503 sidiji
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Osama today filed a slander lawsuit against the United States government, citing "shit we blew up their towers, what more must we do to be considered extreme?"  On a related note, Osama stated he was in a dispute with Allah regarding his undelivered 42 virgins.  He also complained about the extreme heat and lack of air conditioning in heaven.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 21:34 | 6614020 gezley
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LOL!

;-)

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 19:15 | 6613542 moneybots
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"...a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead."

"...a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead."

"...a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead."

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 19:26 | 6613579 moneybots
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“Only coordinated action can lead to a solution. Military action along won’t help us overcome the Syrian crisis. We have to get into a political process. We need the neighbors, Russia, the U.S., and we in Europe can be helpful, too."

 

Seems more like what you have all done, is make a huge mess out of things.  250,000 people are dead, millions homeless.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 20:32 | 6613793 me or you
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Mr. Putin has sent a clear message "we me or against me."

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 20:36 | 6613806 me or you
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Those Russian bombers should nuke Washington and liberate the American people from the traitors that have taken over the country.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 20:38 | 6613817 me or you
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Forums around the world are cheering and praying for Mr. Putin. Go, Go and kill all those CIA terrorists.

Wed, 09/30/2015 - 21:47 | 6614075 nah
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We are Putin's bitch

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as they say in America

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 00:20 | 6614513 onmail1
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Western Bastards deserve nuke in their a$$

Totally evil 

promoting terrorism

West must be destroyed

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 03:58 | 6614720 One Eyed Jack
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What bad luck for the U.S. Pentagon; first only able to find, train and equip 5 moderate syrian rebels at a hundred million dollars each then they all get killed in one Russian air strike.

Little wonder the U.S. military has to cut o many troops and By the way FUCK General Keene!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 04:51 | 6614764 Ofelas
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“The only real way to fight international terrorism…is to act pre-emptively. and not wait till they [terrorists] come to our home,” Mr. Putin said

 Then he should continue until he reaches the epicenter of this mess: SAUDI ARABIA

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 05:00 | 6614769 activisor
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The Western media is a joke.  Even the moderate Syrian opposition leader has come out and stated that Assad must be part of the solution.  The US neocons simply cannot bring themselves to admit that they have once again been checkmated by Putin.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 06:01 | 6614819 BritBob
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The man in the Kremlin also supports Argentina's mythical Malvinas claim. So much for the democratic and human rights of the Falkland Islanders and so much for that so-called Argentine sovereignty claim: https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 06:51 | 6614876 mog
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So Mr  Putin hits the terrorists who were not expecting him - not the ones who were

Boo Hoo.

Not cricket.

Don't you just have to admire his style?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 07:20 | 6614942 StormShadow
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Wow that got all 5 in one sortie, didn't realize Russia had precision guided munitions <sarc>

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