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State Makes It Legal To Shoot Cops In Self-Defense If They Violate Your Rights
Submitted by M. David via TheAntiMedia.org,
Is it ever legal to shoot cops? A growing number of states are passing laws that say that yes, in fact, sometimes it is well within a citizen’s rights to shoot a police officer.
Other states have already ruled in favor of citizens shooting police officers in self-defense, (even hip-hop legend Tupac walked after shooting two cops in self-defense) now, in the state of Indiana, if a police officer initiates aggression without cause in someone’s home, violence can be used against them in self-defense – including using lethal force.
The new law was drafted to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”
This should hardly be seen as profound. In the past, self-defense was viewed as a human right. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights to the citizenry of the United States, it recognizes natural rights. One of those rights — a veritable law of Nature — is the right to resist.
No matter what one does, or takes from you, nothing can stop the innate right to follow our natural impulses of resistance. That does not mean all will exercise that right. But the right itself is natural, primordial, inborn.
The new amendment in Indian recognizes this. It makes it clear that badges do not grant special rights to break into someone’s house and commit acts of violent aggression. If they do, the resident has the right to resist those illegal actions and defend themselves.
The Free Thought Project notes that many police officers “have already begun to fear monger the passage of this bill,” saying “If I pull over a car and I walk up to it and the guy shoots me, he’s going to say, ‘Well, he was trying to illegally enter my property.’”
This fear mongering comes from Joseph Hubbard, 40, the president of Jeffersonville Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 100, who asserts “somebody is going get away with killing a cop because of this law.”
In spite of these statements, here’s what the law actually states:
(i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
- (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
- (2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
- (3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect
What do you think about this law? Would you like to see more states adopt laws like this, or is this a recipe for disaster?
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The devil is in the details.
https://youtu.be/5h-w2aXN-Zc?t=6Well, it looks like we finally have the answer to the question "If you call the police to remove an unwanted person from your house, who do you call to remove unwanted police from your house?"
Next up: property taxes should not apply to homesteads. While I haven't heard of successful passage, your property should not be something you rent from the State. Really, what's the difference between this and the Chinese model of lifetime leases?
The lone Chinese/welfare recipient aka government employee here downvoted your post. Anonymously of course. fucking coward.
(i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to
(3) "Terminate the public servant’s ... criminal interference with property"
There are some interesting ways of interpreting this.
Does this mean the end of "Civil asset forfiture"?
When I was a kid, my parents used to refer to the Colorado State Patrol as the "Courtesy Patrol", which I thought was a ludicrously inapt description of their activities.
But it turns out that the CSP got so corrupt in the 30s that they had their guns taken away from them, so they had to perform their duties unarmed.
I'll bet they were indeed the "Courtesy Patrol" in those years. I look forward to making them the "Courtesy Patrol" once again.
It's just common sense. Stop the police state. I say yes.
Oh, this is great! You mean the servants have authorized me to exorcise my natural right to self defense? How fucking nice of them!
Authorize & Legitimize.
Reinforce power position.
Govt loves giving, and charging you for your rights.
It is a house of cards, walls will tumble.
so no more civil asset forfeiture in Indiana?
The way it is written, resistance to civil forfeiture is not a crime.
The only thing that I am confused about: "What is the definition of a public servant?". If they mean people or other entities employed by any government or the agents of any government, then I agree. It is a reasonable law that simply clarifies the 4th amendment as it applies specifically to government employees and agents, giving them no exceptional rights to violate the 4th amendment.
i don't agree.
i don't consider people employed by the government to be public servants, they've made it pretty clear through their actions that they are public enemies.
How about get rid of ridiculus MUST ARREST Domestic Violence laws? Whassamatta, don't want to take on the FemNazi's?
Add to this CPS agents who are highly incentivized to take children away, even if it's under the flimsiest of pretenses:
http://www.amazon.com/Legally-Kidnapped-Against-Protective-Services-eboo...
Dear Joseph Hubbard....GO FUCK YOURSELF!
A home is a man’s castle. Indiana evidently still realizes that fact & good for them. Since when did police officers lives become more sacred than the lives they are sworn to Protect and SERVE? Stop the unconstitutional no-knock warrantless home invasions especially of innocent families. Stop the growing Police State with its totalitarian, military style enforcement of laws. Why would small US towns need MRAPS and military helicopters anyway? Stop the militarization of the police force. Restore the Constitution.
so then the people can begin picking off all public servants since they can all be reasonably judged to be part of a criminal enterprise designed to take away the rights and property of the people?
You shoot back at them and you are dead, its just the way it is now.
While completely true, the alternative and why it is important was well discussed in Aleksanderr Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago". Basically, some have to die fighting back, or they (evil, statists) win.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”
While our rights within our home have been encroached upon It seems the only semblance rights we have anymore are in the home. Once you walk outside it's open season.
In the Phoenix area there have been at least 5 home invasions in a short time frame that have been shot and the police are supporting the right of homeowners to do so. The population is a buzz about how many home invasions have been thwarted by the armed population and where we would be without the ability to defend ones "castle".
So what happens next? Home invasion a group of 5 guys wearing armor and highly armed they kicked in the door stole nothing and just left and then possibly hit some more homes for no reason other than to terrorize. Hmmmm...
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/west-phoenix/pd-suspects-enter-phx-home-with-guns-armor
102 degrees down there? Ouch.
But this idea in nothing new. There have been roving bands of armed and armored thugs kicking in doors for years now.
My parents used to call them the "Courtesy Patrol".
It was 106 at my house today, I cannot wait until it's over. I saw that Courtesy Patrol comment that is a great idea.
Oh yeah... and a freeway shooter that had everyone panicked and it was played on the news ad nauseum even though nobody was killed or even hurt beyond a scratch. That story gets sordid as hell when you look into it. The PPD arrest a redneck who claims he is innocent and claim that he pawned a gun that matched ballistics. One of the shooting dates doesn't match because the guys gun was in hock so they change the date by one day. Being that this guy and his gun wasn't available for many of the shootings they are saying that there must be a copycat (that was operating at the same time as redneck) and they also arrested some kids for using slingshots.
So the official story of the terrorist freeway shooter is now that a group of kids with slingshots, a redneck who was dumb enough to pawn a weapon that he was using to snipe the population with on a regular basis and a copycat were responsible for the shootings.
They had to counter the population being vindicated on their gun rights in some way. They showed this kid shooting guns in the desert with his 6 year old present and FB statements that were perceived as "anti government", complete shit show.
Try to remember that whatever the current meme which is being pushed by a unified media, (Itself a propaganda machine) is meant to occupy the minds of the masses.
Nothing grabs a persons attention like a story where they themselves could become an unwilling participant.
Exactly, in more ways then one. When the local cops are in a frenzy going through all gun registries, pawn shops and social media looking for a perp to frame under pressure and they are wildly pointing finger eveywhere it has a real chilling effect.
The Dorner episode pretty much sealed my attenditon to cops for me.
http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php
Cops went apeshit, shooting a woman her mother because they had the same sort of vehicle.
Cops are cowardly heros. They can be heros in doing the jobs they elected to do. Ot hey can be cowards by covering their own asses at whatever means they have available. Unfortunately, the Coward seems to be the prevalent attitude these days.
Same sort of vehicle?
With all due respect, I suggest you go back and review the facts: the vehicle Dorner was allegedly driving versus the pick up the LAPD shot up.
They are not the same brand or color. The difference may be even more profound but I'm too lazy to go back and look right now.
No attempted murder charges for shooting those two women either, IIRC?
Because officer safety. And anyone who questions that hates America. Got it?
FUCK YEAH!
It's funny how these things get compartmentalized. I never heard of the Phoenix Freeway Shooter (until he was caught).
But there's one still in business up around Fort Collins in Northern Colorado. More than a year of making windshield shops happy. No slingshots either.
You barely hear about him around here (except after he strikes again) and then the cops downplay the shit out of it. But they'll all be heroes on the network news when they find him.
I saw a lot of naggers in Ft. Collins when I was there this summer. How did they get there? Did the .gov relocate them there, a la USSR?
Were trains shipping naggers from down south to all the biggest cities? Seems like it.
Who the fuck downvoted her post? And why?
I've given some consideration to this potential. I think a well integrated electonic surveillance system with video/audio recording and motion sensing is key to alerting residents to approaching threats. Concentric circles @ appropriate distances from your doors make sense to me (I've moved out of the City/suburbia). Call that green/yellow/red threat levels. By the time the red light comes on after hours, you've got your weapon ready to fire. You need 20 seconds notice to get your loved ones to pre-coordinated safety or firing positions. Designate a kill zone (like a staircase if you sleep upstairs) and design 3 different ways to kill them when they reach that spot. Finally, have a trusted ally outside your house that you can alert (2 blasts of an air horn, repeated several times) and summon to bring enfilade fire down onto the attackers assault-axis. This should really fuck up the typical stormtrooper tactic where they advance to your front door, pause for 10 seconds, then start their assault.
The directions for automated sentries are also out there; I wonder what's going to happen when someone finally puts a few paintball or "real deal" sentries around their house for security.
After two years of car break-ins, I installed a sentry redneck sentry system. I stacked seven beer cans near the doors to the cars. I took over hte room in the front and opend the window. Once I heard the beer cans spill I jumped up and yelled, Debbie load the extra mags!, I'm going out. On the porch, in my underwear, there was noone in sight. Never had an incidence again.
The police have detecting gunshot systems in areas with radiases, just only most advanced cities have it like mine.
42 usc 1983
This law has been on the books in Indiana for 3 years! It's old news! Indiana cops are still alive and well and so is the rest of Indiana!
Must really be a slow news Friday
Sheesh
Stock markets up, why not?!
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Hey Mr. Hubbard!
If we don't have this law…
“a cop is going get away with killing a somebody without this law.”
HORSESHIT!
Try finding the "Make My Day Law." You'll go to jail & trial for shooting in a home invasion.
Better make note of this.
https://kimdortch.wordpress.com/
They will destroy you & your family.
I'd wait in line to get on such a jury (NOT GUILTY). And if you are correct, then such a 'verdick' would be an essential teaching tool to future patriots that tyranny must be violently resisted.
You have to be picked & chosen as said such jury, key thing. Both lawyers have to agree...
Hell, I'd go full tranny to get on that jury. And everyone knows, in today's 'diverse/multicultural' jury, you NEED at least 1 tranny ;)
In that case then shoot as many of those fuckers as you can.
The problem today is that cops have lost a lot of respect - through a combination of their own sins along with constant assault by liberal judges and media. Combine this with an increase in violent crimes and shootings - in certain neighborhoods, and throw in several recent cops being shot and killed. So what 'real' effect is there from tossing laws like this onto the fire? Well literally, all we are doing is nudging the cops (in their minds) to be sure that they are the ones 'shooting first' - basically we are making things WORSE!
agreed
After a lifetime of petty crimes,and major fuck-ups,I've always had respect for the pigs that busted me..Then again,I've never had a baton rammed up my ass in a pre-trial holding cell...
Well, if at first you don't succeed try try again.
Burleson County, Texas:
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Man-Charged-With-Killing-Burleson-Cou...
Two words regarding that story's happy ending for the shooter: Dick DeGuerin. DeGuerin is considered to be one of the top defense attorneys out there. He's the guy to call when money isn't as important as going up the river.
If Dick DeGuerin had been Hermann Goering's mouthpiece at Nuremberg, Hermann would be tanned and happy and living in Palm Springs today.
If you shoot a cop won't they just send more cops to shoot you?
They understand that violence begets violence, we'll all wind up blind, forgiveness heals, people make mistakes, and you're probably a good boy who was bullied and/or sexually assaulted during your formative years..
They understand that but they'll still execute you.
Yea, when they get there shoot them too.
It's like chumming the waters.
It is all well and good to say that you should theoretically be able to win in court. However, if you shoot a cop in self defense, be assured, his cop buddies will almost certainly kill you, ensuring you never get your day in court.
The problem is, there are always more of them and they generally have a vast number of options in dealing with someone who just killed one of their own, whereas the homeowner, more often than not, has a limited supply of munitions, if they're is a temporary stalement.
Rmember in LA those to "foreigners" who held up the bank in hollywood and when the cops finally got to the lone gunman, they intentionally let him bleed to death. Even if it's "legal" to shoot one of their own, chances are, they are going to make it as messy for the "within his or her rights" shooter, as possible.
Then, if one gets "off" legally, Those cops are not going to forget where the shooter lives.
And maybe people will wise up, and keep track of where cops live (and judges, and politicians). What a concept.
If you know where one lives, start posting addresses.
Here's one for my former, bail out voting, former Representative Jerry Lewis.
900 University Avenue Riverside, CA
Here's another favorite.
Nancy Pelosi
235 Montgomery St Ste 610
San Francisco, CA 94104-2915
If you're in the area, do us all a favor.
That would be a really great plan to go viral. Someone should create a website to collect as many addresses as possible. Very cool.
Sadly, I can't help, since I moved outta dodge ~4 years ago. Plus I never personally knew or associated with authoritarians.
no knock raids and citizen arrests? Hmm.
Or should they be treated like they treated Dorner, or MOVE in Philly?
The roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn.
Burn motherfucker, burn.
Do we have to yell "stop resisting!!" Before we shoot?
After you shoot them and they are down on the ground bleeding, like the cops do.
The fact that this is being put forward speaks volumes on the condition of the US.
After we shoot the cop do we get a paid vacation?
If the cop has a dog arre we required to shoot the dog too?
Do we have to start eating Dunkin Donuts jelly donuts?
Oh yea lets ramp up the anti cop rehtoric. The law already provided for self defense. So I'm a cop and I get a "domestic" disturbance call from gangland. Likely one or both of the parties are drunk or tweaking on meth and if it came to trial likely the story would be right off that new "law". Gosh I hope ther is a Dunkin Donuts near by because I'm going to enjoy a nice one while I get lost on the way to the never never land of America's ghettos. Support your local donut shop!
Jelly donuts I bet.
Let's be clear: Tyrants deserve death. Policemen can choose tyranny, or they can choose to behave lawfully. Each cop gets to choose. Just understand there are an increasing number of Americans (like me) who have hardened their homes against invasion. If anyone comes in without knocking, announcing, and showing me a warrant, they are going get ventilated with the largest caliber, highest velocity rifle I can purchase. Dance mother fuckers!
One of the reasons I'm in the middle of a $30k home renovation. Two inch steel plating in specific areas, heat/motion detector lights surorunding the house, security doors front and back, high-lighted address at night, a new AR15 with a respectable number of filled, grandfatherd 30 round magazines, 1911 .45 with an large number of ten round mags, .30 cal carbine with, I won't say, just a number of mags, all filled.
Some creative drywall and cabinetry and I'm like Batman.
Same thing for my guns.
When you get that call, just go the DUnkin Donuts, and say your radio malfunctioned.
Let them kill each other. Who gives a fuck?
What are you, some kind of save everyone do gooder?
DV #13. Right here.
Cops are using SWAT to go arrest people, how many stories have you read about them kicking in the the door of the wrong address, throwing flash bangs at babies, trashing the place anyway and detaining the people for hours and yes, shooting the dog. Maybe with a law like this they will actually read the paperwork rather then thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want!
That infant in Georgia whose face was blown up by the grenade comes to mind. If that was my child, some folks would be disappearing.
Can't wait for some scumbag cop to try a "civil asset grab" of cash on the highway from someone who is armed and has "had enough".
This is one example of "shooting the bastard dead" is totally appropriate, whether a cop or any other random thief. Not that thousands of other examples don't exist too.
Incidentally, the appropriate response to this by fictional "law enforcement" agencies is to MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that search warrants are served, and the recipients are given plenty of time to read them and get explanations... before cops and/or SWAT teams [bash down the doors and] barge in. And if they start trashing the place, that is also justification for self-defense.
Incidentally, about 99% of what cops do is unconstitutional, and thus illegal... even on the fictitious terms of the predators-that-be and their paid thugs.
Gee, wouldn't it be something if cops and other paid-thugs stop to think about the actions they're about to take, and honestly ask themselves "does this violate any individual rights"? What a concept!
Amen, just dont puss out after the first 2 in the chest. Follow up with 1 in the head!
^ This
Three to the balls, too.
If you're threatened, your best defense is to empty your gun to put down the threat. Don't reload, though, that's what cops do. You're not allowed to do that.
If anyone but a police officer walked up to my car with a gun and started demanding things (with said weapon), then I would be within my rights to shoot him dead.
But because he's wearing a special badge, I must submit to his abuses and unlawful behavior, violating my rights like they don't exist. I didn't pull him over and approach his car with a gun on my hip making demands.
We need to be reminded that is the officers who initiate almost every encounter.
Right now the state of NC is having a funding crisis, paying for public or idigent defenders. They're ruminating over many different ideas, including putting the IDs on an $1800 per month contract, rather than the $55/hour they pay now, or the $75/hour they paid for many years prior. Imaging the quality attorney you can get for $1800 per month ($22k per year).
During a BAR luncheon, the attornies and a DA were discussing it. Me, a simple layman and not a laywer said :"If there's not enough money to defend everyone the cops are arresting, why not have the cops dial it down a little and stop arresting so many people for such minor infractions and victimless crimes?"
EVeryone looked at me like I had 3 heads. As if not arresting everyone for every little thing would make our streets unsafe. The truth is that doing such would hurt their incomes in some way. What was it that Sinclair Lewis said about getting a man to understand somethign when his salary depends on him not understanding it?
Here they arrest for every infraction. THey NEVER let you go if they catch you with a tiny amount of weed or a roach clip. Back when, cops would exercise their discretion, dump your weed or beer, yell at you, then let you go. Now they arrest EVERYONE, all the time, And even go so far ast to fabricate DUI charges for some people who blow ZERO and passed the FST. Happens all the time.
The NCSP are especially bad about fabricated DUIs. And since bloodwork requires TWO YEARS to get back from the state crime lab (backlog from all the arrest you see -- MOAR FUNDING!), most people just plead guilty so they don't have to take piss tests, pay a probation officer, and participate in AA programs for two years to prove their innocence.
It's a racket. I refuse to go to a bar here or have a drink any where other than my house, or somewhere where I won't be getting into a car for a long time after.
Thx for the detailed post. We live in far western NC and I'm insulted by the large footprint of the the State Police. Its a very rural area, but I guess it warrants a SP Barracks (Unlimited funding for some things). They're constantly popping people for speeding.
Nice propaganda there ZH. It's says upon passage of an act not actual law. This is an unfortunate pattern of ZH to promote certain anti-government and anti-establishment ideas that encourages violating the rule of law rather than understanding the current existing law that does not say what they want the law to say.
I understand the desire to reject the automatic acceptance of the government forces but to ignore the actual law regarding these matters is both dangerous and reckless.
You feed those who wish to proclaim this site as a propaganda site rather than stimating debate. For shame
There is no law that permits the violation of an American right to freedom from unlawful search & seizure or the right to be secure in one's home and possessions. The American people have just gone full pussy and failed to resist the tyrants as they claim to modify law to abridge these rights. They are unalienable.
The minute you step into an airport, you abrogate the following (at a minimum):
First Amendment
Second Amendment
Fourth Amendment
And possibly more. Remember it's the terrorist who hate us for our freedom, and our law passing, regulation creating, tax mongering government is protecting our freedom everytime they pass a new law or create a new agency.
After all the Patiot Act, the NDAA, the TSA and all the other innovations since 9/11 have increased our freedom, right? And those 535 publically funded CONgressmen love our freedoms so much that they work tirelessly passing new laws every day that enhance that freedom. And we have the same process going on in 57 state legislatures and innumerable counties and towns. Every business day, every week, every month, and every year.
There are now so many laws and regulations that we Americans and our infinite freedom are thr most despised and free people in the world, despised and hated for that freedom, of course granted to us by our wise law makers.
What's worse that most people believe that shit.
I've flummoxed some TSA dipshits by continuing to say 'I do not consent to be searched'. We need more Americans who are willing to go to the airport and spend a few hours clogging up the 'grope-n-feel' lines @ the airports. And after flying 2 days a week for YEARS, I haven't flown in years.
You still have to survive the second, third... officer. When the SWAT team breaks into the wrong house (yours) they don't come in peace or alone.
Come out niggas
Freedom is won
Bringout your tools
Beat the devils army
Free America from evil
Tell the China man to move to a "ghost city . Plenty of room from what I hear
That'll teach them...
Should be in effect if the cop is trying to kidnap you too.
If you kill a police officer in Brazil you are living on average seven days.
If you injure a policeman, three months.
If you kill someone with justification, will not jammed.
Without justification, it is no more than 65 days in prison.
98% of deaths by firearms in Brazil are among traffickers.
2% passionate crime, traffic fights, family heirlooms etc. .
Weapons are prohibited in the population of Brazil but, each has its ... kkkkkkk.
There homicide statistics with clubs because here no sports with this type of equipment.
You hardly die with a soccer ball.
With knife wounds for many, especially in kitchens betrayed couples (when mulherr discovers the betrayal).
I swear to you, do not understand how to live in the US so repression.
Here things are simpler.
hehe.
Perhaps if police stopped power tripping and stealing innocent people's property they would feel safer.
Exactly this. These unlawful acts are why cops are being whacked. And you know what? It's well-earned and past time.
A cop is a citizen - the badge does not afford them any rights which trump or over-turn the rights of any other citizens...
The stupid thing is that no state should NEED a law to enumerate what is already implicit...
This whole thing has gone full circle (and full-retard)- We are now passing laws to explain to judges HOW they should interpret other laws...
"... Kicking down a door to serve a warrant" -- Interpreted no differently by the occupant of the house than someone "kicking down the door to blow you away and steal your wedding ring.... FOURTH FUCKING AMENDMENT, Look it up, Senator Dip-Shit.
Good God - this country's governement is fucked 6 ways from Sunday... I sure hope Putin and China show us mercy after the last shot is fired.
The law clearly makes the distinction between the "unlawful" and "lawful" actions of both the LEO and the citizen. A cop exercising a proper warrant would not be in violation of the law, while a citizen defending a home meth lab would not be presumed to have a defensible right to kill a cop.
How about if they made the control of the roads a seperate jurisdiction from "crime" and "revenue generation". I haven't thought about it enough to actually design it, but crossing guards and meter maids for the most part are not armed, and I can't see why "traffic control" can't be handled in a non-threatening manner where the public is aware they are not going to get a multi-hundred-dollar citation or have their car searched and towed in just because they "rolled" a stop sign.
step closer to gun control?
This article sounds vaguely familiar, as though I've read something similar recently. Oh, wait, I have!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-27/catalan-separatists-win-close-5...
Sun, 09/27/2015 - 16:09 | 6599824 new TAALR Swift
The astute thinker will realize and proclaim...
"SELF-DETERMINATION is an INNATE HUMAN RIGHT, that is not determined by politicians or tyrants -- no matter what title or rank they hold, or what secular or religious Flag Of Convenience they fly."
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When a People realize and internalize this Truth, they will not rely merely on a "Piece of Paper" to ensure these rights, but work actively to maintain Life and Meaning in such formal and historic documents.
The astute observer of Human Nature will also note that HAVING these Innate Rights is not the same as actually EXERCISING them. Most people do not have the wit, courage and persistence to act on these Innate Human Rights. Which is a large part of why Opportunists, Tyrants and Usurpers are able to rise to great positions of Power, Wealth or Influence.
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If this ruling and articles like this keep persisting, there may yet be hope for decent people, who finally decide to speak up and to act with physical and civic courage, lest evil prosper.
Yeah, you are legal but you won't be able to stay alive til the end of the day.
This law was passed with good reason. Over 25 years ago in Indianapolis, a school teacher {Fred Sanders} had police show up at his door demanding to be let in. Mr.Sanders neighbors had called the police due to his barking dogs. {Foot note: neighborhood had being "going black" for years, and Mr.Sanders was an old hold-out. His neighbors were black. They had called the cops on him repeatedly over the last couple of years for even the most minor of things}. Mr. Sanders, tired of all of the harassment, asked the cops {there were five of them for a barking dog call} if they had a warrant, they replied: "No, but we can get one if we have to", Mr. Sanders told them to come back when they had a warrant. That didn't suit rookie cop Matt Faber. He and the others proceeded to kick in the door. When they entered, they began to beat Mr. Sanders. Mr. Sanders was able to get away, run to his bedroom and retrieve his shotgun, then proceeded to blast away at the police officers, striking Officer Faber. A gun battle ensued. Mr. Sanders was shot sixteen times. His body was dragged outside the home onto the the front side walk. When ambulances arrived, police at the scene refused their efforts to treat Mr. Sanders, bleeding profusely on the side walk.
Mr. Sanders survived against all odds. He went on to successfully sue the city of Indianapolis for $1.5 million dollars, and for the city to drop the manslaughter charges they had filed on him. Mr. Sanders eventually had to leave the area, as he claimed he was being stalked and harassed by the police force. While he was in the hospital from his gunshot wounds, someone had broken into his home and trashed it, also taking Mr. Sanders property and killing both his dogs. We call that "Hoosier Hospitality".
#1 rule, don't fk with the police unless you have a militia to back you up. Just not worth the pain & misery...
Mr.Sanders stated the reason he went for his shotgun was that he feared for his life. He believed the police were there to kill him. He figured he had nothing to lose.
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Jury nullification is not used enough.
Great way to counter the bullshit laws.
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Wrong thread?
"You can't shoot a cop!"
"Who said you was one?"
I dont know, something in me is saying this will be misused. Rather than doing right things like making sure bad cops doesnt happen and that its not worth for them killing anybody because of punishment they now basically giving green light to attack exchange wars. Paranoid cops will now be even more prone to shoot out of fear. But hey, anything to reduce population.
Re-read the story. Shooting a police officer is only justified under this law if the officer is IN YOUR HOUSE. It also would help the case if their were witnesses {at least one}. Police are not going to be any more trigger happy, in fact, thanks to recent events, police officers have been told to de-esculate confrontations. They are worried about the US Justice Department coming in and Federalizing their departments.
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We must identify what is really happening here. There is no reason to escalate further hostilities between LE and citizens.
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Since “Just Us” had their Supreme Court arrange that ignorance of the law is an excuse for their minion thugs: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/15/3603686/supreme-court-if-you... ...
Laws like this are needed in every state and territory.
I think home invasions by cops is way overused. We had a wife of a drug dealer kill an FBI agent who entered her home with a warrent for her husband, as she was getting her children ready for school. She heard them break in and seeing a man with a gun at the bottom of the stairs, she shot him. How is she supposed to know it was a cop? She's in jail right now but I think her case needs to be retried under this criteria. The guy was a drug dealer, not a terrorist. He could have been apprehended outside his home where his wife and children resided. Cops need to use a little discretion and maybe laws like these will give them a reason to.
More states need to enact these laws , thereby putting bad cops on notice that illegal aggrssion can and will result in them either geting wounded or shot dead. Good cops will have nothing to worry about.
How this would affect a heavily armed SWAT team sent round to smash into a property and arrest an occupant?
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It's sad that we need a law to state what used to be obvious.
I thought long and hard about the lead in for this article:
State Makes It Legal To Shoot Cops In Self-Defense If They Violate Your RightsWhy wasn't it:
State Makes It Legal To Shoot Politicians In Self-Defense If They Violate Your Rightsi.3 is interesting - "..criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession,.."
The usual prerequisite for the use of lethal force is a threat to one's life or physical wellbeing. It is unusual for lethal force to be justified in the protection of property.
What does this law mean in the case of civil forfeiture?
Nothing funny for the policeman.
At 0245 in the morning I don't care who you are or how you're dressed. If you break into my house, you will be served-up small chunks of lead accelerated to extreme velocities. Bank on it
In every state today, there are rules that allow police officers to enter one's home without a warrant. The allowable reasons include in emergency situations where the process of getting a valid search warrant could compromise public safety or could lead to a loss of evidence. This encompasses instance of 'hot pursuit' in which a suspect is about to escape. A recent California Supreme Court decision even ruled that police may enter a DUI suspect's home without a warrant on the basis of the theory that important evidence, namely the suspect's blood alcohol level, may be lost.
There's also exceptions made for a reasonable belief that a violent felony may be occurring within the home at the time. Suppose officers are called to an address for disturbing the peace. Upon arriving officers can hear a fight ongoing inside. If no one answers the door, the law allows for them to enter.
These are typical cases that call for subjective judgment. This new law will probably lead to officers being killed on the belief the occupants were protecting their property from a forcible entrance by police.
I would like the federal government to stop trying to create enmity between people and the police.
If the policemen announce themselves loudly, give the people inside reasonable time to reply and the time to cal 911 to verify their identities, istances of policemen getting shoted would be very rare indeed.
Do they want enter the home in a rush, without properly announcing themselves, presenting a search warrant and so on?
they risk their life and limbs, as is proper.
If the policemen announce themselves loudly, give the people inside reasonable time to reply and the time to cal 911 to verify their identities, istances of policemen getting shoted would be very rare indeed.
Do they want enter the home in a rush, without properly announcing themselves, presenting a search warrant and so on?
they risk their life and limbs, as is proper.
I am thinking that any police officer would argue that anyone in their presence with a drawn gun presents an imminent threat ... just as claims have been made that dogs sitting in a yard that they intend to enter present a threat to them.
What the new law implies is that police officers must choose options that avoid being an imminent threat to people if those option are available.
In the recent case involving Jerame Reid and the Bridgeton, NJ police, Reid was shot after disobeying police instructions to remain in the car after the police had recovered a revolver from the glove box. Apparently, the handgun was in police possession, but because Reid disobeyed a police order to remain seated, he ended up being shot when he exited the car.
I understand this is a law to keep cops honest but seems like it's opening the door for a bloodbath. What happens when a citizen defends themself and shoots a cop and then more cops respond to the shooting of first cop? They will come in guns blazing to an officer down call and will try to take down the citizen who shot the first cop before that citizen can explain they were only defending themselves. That citizen will then have to defend themselves against all responding officers. Seems like a big can of trouble to me.
It often is a big can of trouble anyway.
The first cop broken the law and got shot.
the following cops could just not broke the law and try to find a peaceful solution to the problem.
Cops hate to be shot at.
Citizen: Call the 911 " A thug broke the door, entered my home and I shot him".
Responder: "He was a cop"
Citizen: "Shit happen".
Responder : "Other cops are coming"
Citizen:" tell them to knock and announce themselves"
The US cops are well known too shoot to kill, not wound. (just look at the stats).
The only problem is your not dealing with just one cop these days, so your chances are slim to none being the last man standing if you decide to defend yourself and get into a gun fight.
There is really no such thing as "shooting to wound". If lethal force is required, then the purpose of the shot is to stop the aggressor as quickly as possible. It shouldn't come as any surprise at all that this frequently results in a fatal wound.....but that doesn't mean that this is the specific intent.
It's about time.
If judges are on board with it, a disaster for thug cops for sure.
From the link:
There is one simple concept that law students learn in their very first weeks of criminal law class: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. This principle means that when an individual violates the law, it doesn’t matter whether or not they knew what the law said. If it’s a crime, and they are found to have committed the elements of that crime, they are guilty.
On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the same standard doesn’t necessarily apply to police. In a splintered 8-1 ruling, the court found that cops who pulled over Nicholas Heien for a broken taillight were justified in a subsequent search of Heien’s car, even though North Carolina law says that having just one broken taillight is not a violation of the law.
We've got a fundamental problem here. With 40,000 new laws each year, ignorance of the law should be an "obvious" defense. And here we have people whose main focus is the law ... they enforce it ... who are legally entitled to claim ignorance of it as a defense? But people who are just going about their daily lives and have no professional interest in the law (i.e. they assume common sense to be lawful) must know them all?
Up is down. The rule of law is looking less and less like the way to deal with social issues. But how in the world do you instill implicit morality ... or even define it?
I guess that's what religion is for ... before it becomes corrupted and co-opted and mysticized.
Very good post. I would point out however that ignorance is a viable and often used defense that works wonders... for those that make the laws.
That maxim is one of the stupidest things taught in law school. When "law" is stretched to incude tens of thousands of statues the of course ignorance of the "law" is an excuse. There used to be a requirement of mens rea - a guilty mind - in intent to do bad before the assholes in government began to explicitly remove it. There should be no crime withput a victim.
If you shoot one cop be prepared to shoot at a lot more.
Destroy your police force america, see what replaces it! It's the plan, it's real, and it's coming to a town near you.
I agree. The elitist plan, spearheaded by O'bunghole, is to create emnity between the police force and the people and then to create chaos and civil war.
We should all be smart enough not to take the bait.
The problem with granting of rights via clearly written law, what the state grants in writing, the state has given itself the power to later un-grant. Than there will be no question about your status.
Let's follow the logic a little further.
No knock raids are designed to achieve some purpose at the expense of violating a person's rights and security in their own home. Police do not identify themselves before entering and are not required per the NDAA to have real cause or warrant. This is neither a fair not constitutional right provided to the police. It was created using illegal laws, based on illegal precedent. But they have the guns and the power of force... we do not.
If people have the right to shoot or otherwise harm (setting traps, etc) the police entering their home, then the police will:
a) be less likely to conduct no-knock raids
b) find another way to achieve their objective
Other ways to achieve their objective might be:
1. robot no-knock raids.
2. drone strike and summary execution without trial ... as is currently conducted by the Obomber administration in foreign countries.
Escalation and violence sucks.
The new class elite are pitting us against each other, and sitting back with popcorn, waiting for the bloodbath.
Wouldn't it be better to monitor the police effectively than to create the conditions for more animosity? Well, it would be better for us, but not for those who seek to use societal violence to pry our Rights away from us.
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Nice try but how about something a little more.... reasonable? Be sure to read the last sentence.
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S.
This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.
Acts under "color of any law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under "color of any law," the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs.
Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to one year, or both, and if bodily injury results or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both, and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.