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These Dramatic Before And After Images Of Syria Demonstrate "Success" Of US Foreign Policy

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One narrative that’s parroted constantly when the US moves to bring about regime change in the Mid-East is that it’s necessary for the good of the people. 

Typically, the citizenry is characterized as suffering under the brutal oppression of an autocratic regime which is sometimes accused of committing crimes against humanity in order to maintain an iron grip on power and ensure that the seeds of democracy cannot grow.

Of course this narrative is never wholly true and is rarely even partially so. 

More often than not, the US has ulterior motives for covertly usurping Mid-East strongmen and the overarching goal is almost always to achieve some narrow geopolitical end.

This isn’t so much one fringe blog’s opinion as it is a dubious foreign policy tradition for Washington and indeed, it’s almost always readily observable in hindsight. 

For those who need proof of this, we present the following before and after images of night-time light emissions in Syria:

Source: The Economist

 

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Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:04 | 6617818 wedgeseeds
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maybe they turn off the lights to avoid getting bombed?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:08 | 6617844 TahoeBilly2012
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They hate us for our lighting.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:11 | 6617862 knukles
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Rather illuminating

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:16 | 6617883 ShrNfr
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Stop making light of the topic.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:40 | 6617907 negative rates
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Starry, starry nights coming to a town near you bitches!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Denile is not just a river in Egypt bitches, be prepared or be prepared to DIE!!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:43 | 6617992 Oldwood
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Come on guys!

They are simply implementing Obama's climate change initiative...cutting back on that wasteful consumption of energy and such. This is how radical Islam and progressivism go hand in hand. They both want to take us back a few hundred (or thousand) years. There are more common threads that this, but a good example none the less.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:57 | 6618054 Manthong
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Well, at least it’s a lot brighter there than North Korea.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:15 | 6618130 Funny Money
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It's so sad and pitiful to see how hard the Putin pukes try to spin this shit on ZH.  

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:23 | 6618171 SofaPapa
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You're too late. Knowledge that the US is a greater cause of suffering than is Russia in these many places has now left zh.  The Yahoo comments section, which used to be reliably "rah, rah, US!" has now seen what's going on.  The tide may just be turning. The US power structure are remarkably out of touch... lots of causes of suffering, but the US is certainly up there.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:48 | 6618296 Bunghole
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White lights were racist.

Syria and it's new progressive swarms have adopted black lights, because obama.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:48 | 6618531 Bring the Gold
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I really appreciate your avatar. It certainly adds more to the discussion than your commentary.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:14 | 6618643 Macchendra
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I hate us for our lighting...  I bet the stars are way brighter there.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 03:27 | 6619527 Implied Violins
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Up yours. And no, I *really* don't want to see that picture.

Bunghole always brings his A-game to the fray. I don't always agree, but I always do consider what he says.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:40 | 6618731 zelator
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#BlackLightsMatter

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:37 | 6618247 A Nanny Moose
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If you dislike Putin, then please move to Russia, and participate in their system. His foreign policy is Russia's problem, not that of the Former Untied States of Amerika.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:38 | 6618726 Matt
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"If you dislike Putin, then please move to Russia, and participate in their system"

That, good madam, is utter nonsense. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:14 | 6618133 HowdyDoody
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Some more info on the airstrike reported yesterday - a couple of annotated images and a video made by some ISIS members on the receiving end.

http://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2015/09/5961a5cab451fbd5f6c...

1 - tunnels into hillside

2 - outpost on hill

3 - more tunnels into hillside

4 - small building by the side of the road

Still image from near the end of video (1:40) showing items 1 to 4. The match looks pretty convincing.

http://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2015/09/348f5e4774bffd1b4b5...

The video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqJPVlDdLek

The airstrike is from 0:26 onwards. The actual explosion at 0:32  and from 0.35 onwards lots of dust being sucked out of the cave, consistent with a thermobaric explosion outside. The cave has wheelschairs and hospital beds. Presumably these were looted from Syrian hospitals / clinics. It also implies they have medical assistance.

These guys were very lucky the main explosion was as far away as it was. They are also living on borowed time. If it is an important command centre, then more thrmobarics will be on their way. BTW, scummy ISIS guys, thanks for providing us with a damage assessment.

Original info was posted on Colonel Cassad

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/24...

 

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:46 | 6618287 TAALR Swift
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Note that aerial fuel bombs not only have a fiery concussive effect, when they are delivered into a tunnel, but also consume the oxygen.

Now you better add a SCUBA tank to the BOB. ;-)

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:50 | 6618989 Motasaurus
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I'm pretty sure that they substitute "Allahu Akbar" for "Holy Shit". And that's blasphemous.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 02:34 | 6619482 Innominate
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There's a video of them building the tunnels. Turns out that they had a field hospital that kept getting airstriked, so they built it into the side of the hill instead. I'm guessing that the whole area is being used as a terrorist/rebel base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5YaOuM1qfo

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 04:04 | 6619544 HowdyDoody
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They seem so proud they have built of hospital for their fellow liver-eaters, presumably using fittings looted from Syrian hospitals they have destroyed.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:22 | 6618172 Sanity Bear
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Will the last CIA black ops agent to leave Syria please... oh never mind.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 03:30 | 6619528 Implied Violins
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I was surprised that it was so dark around Homs. Those mini nukes should have left a nice, comforting afterglow.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 21:57 | 6619006 newbie vampire
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"Well, at least it’s a lot brighter there than North Korea."

Seems the only lighted parts are located in areas controlled by Assad.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:01 | 6618066 Bring the Gold
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Yeah Radical Islam (RI) is all about the environment and this isn't related at all to us proxy warfare destruction of the electrical grid. RI is much like progressivism very into women's rights, birth control, abortion access, advancement of science, gay marriage...wait, wait a minute they actually oppose each other across the board! I think you are thinking of radical orthodox Abrahamic religions all being similar to each other such as Westbro Baptist (or other hard line orthodox Christianity), hard line Zionist Judaism and RI sharing common values.

Look progressivism - which is a super broad term - has some serious problems. To conflate it with RI is intellectually lazy at best and fucking stupid regurgitation of propaganda at worst. Much like the common canard conflating Communisim with RI. Again both have HUGE flaws and perhaps no redeeming values in themselves but they are anti-thetical to one another by definition. Stop conflating unrelated issues if you want to advance any kind of rational dialogue. If you want to slam progressivism go for it there are PLENTY of valid criticisms, but for fucks sake quit with the apples to oranges bullshit.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:54 | 6618321 Oldwood
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A centrally commanded collectivist society that demands complete obedience, punishes heresy speech, willingly abandons its principles to advance its greater agenda, and above all things believes that IT is the word, that IT is the only one capable of making judgements...as it has been written, That IT can demand sacrifices of its followers for the good of the "religion".

All religions, as you state, "hard line" types have much in common and progressives take from them what it needs. Progressivism is as virulent as religion as we have seen in the last hundred years. They crush everything (and one) in their path. They do not debate issues, they do not "compromise" other than what that short term capitulation will ultimately advance their agenda. The debate is over. To attempt to debate a progressive is as productive as to debate the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Yes I think that there are plenty of comparisons, and few are positive ones, so I can imagine why you would rather not go there. ALL oppressive tyrannical regimes have a great deal in common, especially at their roots. People convinced that their ideas are more valid than any others and that it is their calling, their responsibility, their mandate, to force it down every other person on earth throats, no matter the cost in money or lives or suffering. THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT!

And to my point...agenda 21, elimination of cheap fuels, international redistribution taxes, increased taxes and greater government dependency, collapsing job markets and continued offshoring, WILL eventually get us back to the good ole days, just like those cave dwelling Muslims want for all of us.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:42 | 6618479 Bring the Gold
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Rather than condemning progressivism or conservatism let's zero in on the real problems. Opacity, Centralization of decision making and complexity. The last one is challenging to reduce, but the first two are very treatable. Those are the problems we face.

Everything you complained about applies to the RINOs and non-libertarian "Conservatives" every bit as much as the worthless Democrats and Communists.

Having transparency and rule of law in a Republic is what we know works. The culture war BS is a distraction IMO from economic and governmental tyranny. The PTB want to divide us based on cultural and religious means when both of those should strictly be decide by the citizenry themselves. Keep the government out. Return to rule of law, governmental transparency and separation of church and state.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:55 | 6618783 Oldwood
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Transparency only works if it is accompanied by accountability. We have seen countless cases where they are not. Obama is a good example where he is very transparently pursuing his progressive destructive agenda, with ZERO accountability. We live in a world that's accountability is largely determined by the activism of its press. The press was afforded protections not given to the population at large and doing so should force it to be unbiased and without agenda, which is not what we see. What we instead experience is a completely one sided approach which serves ONLY the progressive agenda, just as the press in Iran serves ONLY the Islamic one. Are you going to tell me that RINOs and non libertarian republicans are afforded this same advantage? Tell me again how much the same they are as compared to radical Islam?

I stand by my comparison.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:35 | 6619105 TheReplacement
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Dayum.  That was a helluva haymaker there OW.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 04:21 | 6619552 EddieLomax
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Actually I think these images have not been seasonally adjusted, if we did that we probably will find that everything is 2% brighter :)

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:49 | 6617993 rfaze
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"Turn out the lights the party's over, they say that all good things must end"

 

Dandy Don Meredith

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:43 | 6617998 nuubee
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In fairness, some of that lack of night-lighting isn't a result of destruction, but rather locals fearing being bombed because they have their lights on at night.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:38 | 6619119 TheReplacement
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In fairness, wouldn't that just be another indictment of US activities (an entire country's population living in fear to the point they won't use the lights at night)?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:47 | 6618016 giggler321
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So ISIL have an energy saving policy - that's better than the Conservatives.  FWIW:  Tesco turn every odd isle lights out at 9pm now to save

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:04 | 6619020 newbie vampire
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"Tesco turn every odd isle lights out at 9pm now to save"

Probably to save on their power bills.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:56 | 6618038 Son of Captain Nemo
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Denile is not just a river in Egypt bitches, be prepared or be prepared to DIE!!

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nr

This must be the happy hour gang at the Pentagon being nostalgic before they do their last tour in Eastern Ukraine and Syria....

All those wonderful memories of using human heads as soccer balls and filming rape sequences on your iPhone before you snuffed out a young lady in Iraq, Afghanistan or the Balkans?!!!!

Gotta hand it to the physicians at Walter Reed and Detrick those meds are first rate for what you just said!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:52 | 6618040 de3de8
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Obamy should be happy, less emissions.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:12 | 6618123 Sokhmate
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Thise emissions got relocated to Europe.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:08 | 6618106 Never One Roach
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The eastern half of Syria now looks occupied by a bunch of ... lightweights.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:12 | 6618125 Frankie Carbone
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Someone dinged you for offering a little lighthearted humor?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:50 | 6618028 jwoop66
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This slows down global warming, right?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:40 | 6618732 Matt
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Depends, do Reaper Drones meet emissions, or are we going to have a scandal there?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:14 | 6617876 bob_stl
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Goodnight Abdul-boy.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:48 | 6618020 Gilnut
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I. DON'T. FUCKING. CARE.

 

The whole world would be a lot better off if everyone would just worry abou the things they have control over.  That only includes the space about 4 ft. around your body.  The rest is optional.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:16 | 6618152 SILVERGEDDON
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Carbon tax credit incoming.......................

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:26 | 6617920 Son of Captain Nemo
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Don't laugh too hard wedgy...

I see one of these in Shemitahville's future in it's "clap off the clapper" if it doesn't back off!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:07 | 6618101 Pumpkin
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You levatate my opinion of average intelligence.  But then again, we are at zero hedge, and most will never visit.  Damn.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:20 | 6618163 Wile-E-Coyote
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Just maybe they are responding to climate change.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:53 | 6618313 ZeroNewz
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For all the errors and seemingly "silly mistakes by morons" the US Coalition is in total control (this website obviously says differently ... but for different purposes).

 

Putin continues to show weakness in asking for "dialogue and consensus" on issues.  If I were playing poker with him I would raise him.

Forget national debt  (and gold) ... it is irrelevant.  The only thing that matters is POWER and US Coalition has real power.  Yes it is waning but the end game is world domination and nobody is closer than US Coalition.

Russia is scared (the thugs who raped the Soviet Union and associated national assets) and the USA knows this.

Syria is Russia's new Afganistan ... now inflame the Baku region along with Ukraine and they will be more desperate to "make a deal".

Russia wants to be "partners" ... USA cares not.  Russia is a declawed bear ... a mere shadow.

Now is the time to strike.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:42 | 6618507 cheech_wizard
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You obviously missed Orlov's blog entry about a similar scenario...

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-ha...

Standard Disclaimer: Ever figured out the land speed of a T72 from Russia's border to Kiev?

Now take your American exceptionalism, and present it to Obama while bending over.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:57 | 6618793 monk27
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Spoken like a true Idiocracy character...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:22 | 6619073 newbie vampire
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"Now is the time to strike."

Have you considered starting a petition for the POTUS to bring back our "misplaced" taxpayer-funded CIA sponsored "moderate" terrorists for some R n R before dem Russkis find even more of OUR "moderate" terrorists ?

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 09:24 | 6620172 Salzburg1756
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It is the cause, it is the cause, my soul. Let me not name it to you, you chaste stars, It is the cause. Yet I’ll not shed her blood, Nor scar that whiter skin of hers than snow And smooth as monumental alabaster. Yet she must die, else she’ll betray more men. Put out the light, and then put out the light.
If I quench thee, thou flaming minister,
I can again thy former light restore
Should I repent me. But once put out thy light,
Thou cunning’st pattern of excelling nature,
I know not where is that Promethean heat
That can thy light relume. When I have plucked thy rose I cannot give it vital growth again, It must needs wither. I’ll smell thee on the tree. Oh, balmy breath, that dost almost persuade Justice to break her sword! One more, one more. Be thus when thou art dead and I will kill thee And love thee after. (kissing her) One more, and that’s the last. So sweet was ne'er so fatal. I must weep, But they are cruel tears. This sorrow’s heavenly, It strikes where it doth love. She wakes.
Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:04 | 6617819 Son of Captain Nemo
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Jesus Christ the United States of America burns in hell!

Literally!! Or will be shortly!!!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:04 | 6617820 Flagit
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And I'll ask again. Who do I call to fix this?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6617833 cheech_wizard
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If there's something strange / In you neighborhood / Who you gonna call 

Jihadbusters?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:11 | 6617859 Son of Captain Nemo
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And when they need to be "fixed" the Doctor next door does house calls!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:43 | 6617991 Flagit
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SO none of you have any better ideas than I on how to fix this?

As much as I enjoy the 3 paragraph analysis, the zingers and snappy comebacks, they are not part of this equation.

The US reps for my state, the Governor, my State reps? The list of people that don't give a fuck goes on and on.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:48 | 6618018 newdoobie
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You want a good answer on how to fix this? STOP selling weapons and training people in the middle east. Stop all arms shipments to the Middle east. Let em throw rocks at each other

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:07 | 6618103 .National Suici...
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Absolutely...Everyone, INCLUDING Israel. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:54 | 6618320 Bunghole
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The MIC says nein!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:12 | 6618120 Flagit
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STOP selling weapons and training people in the middle east. Stop all arms shipments to the Middle east.

Who the fuck do you think I am, Ethan Hunt....Iron Man?

That sounds a little more DOD'ish to me. They take their orders from the Prez, who takes his orders from....The Shadow Cabal?

How do you fight a shadow? Flashlights?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:47 | 6618173 Son of Captain Nemo
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Truth be told Flag if we gave a fuck we should have shut Washington D.C. down a year after the Iraq war started and the subsequent whitewash of the 9/11 Commission Report with an OWS permanent stay that encompassed around 300 to 500 thousand activitis that wouldn't leave until our forces were removed from Iraq and Afghanistan...

Then the bank bailouts in 2008... 2011 Libya... Yemen... Syria...

Coulda..  woulda... shoulda... If it was meant to be it sure as fuck would have happened in this Country by now!!!

This is what you get when you are as NR said above in delusional, pacified, frightened and selfish mode by your own government!

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:53 | 6618045 Cruel Aid
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This is nwo shit, good luck finding the nut.

State sheep arent interested in the big picture.

Lowest common denominator. Put it all together and nothing else makes sense.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:05 | 6618092 Bring the Gold
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Figure out who is profiting off this and short the stock along with refusing to buy their goods and services. Don't work for corporations involved in this sort of thing. Buy local. If you want real answers be an adult and figure it out for yourself I see you have internet access. Use it.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:14 | 6618134 Son of Captain Nemo
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SO none of you have any better ideas than I on how to fix this?

We're only good at bitching here.

Tried what you are doing on numerous occassions but nobody wants ANY of it!

And you wonder why we and our military are so fucking hated by the rest of the World!!!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:35 | 6619103 newbie vampire
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"We're only good at bitching here."

Someone did, in one of posts mebbe a week back.   He could be in a FEMA holiday camp now.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:23 | 6617909 negative rates
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The man, will you just call the man.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:24 | 6619084 newbie vampire
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"And I'll ask again. Who do I call to fix this?"

Try 1600 Pennslyvania Ave.  The Fixer in Chief.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:05 | 6617822 venturen
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Keynes would be proud. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:45 | 6618009 The Pope
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Tesla would be beside himself.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:06 | 6617823 Truther
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We democratized some folks. The bankers have to Fucking hang for this.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:46 | 6618012 e_goldstein
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 The bankers have to Fucking hang for this.

 among others

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:05 | 6617824 Oldballplayer
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No sure why that is all the US's fault.

Seems to me there has been a war going on there for a few years.  Based on the assholes I see crawling into Europe, there is hardly anyone left there to turn on the lights.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:09 | 6617850 Joe A
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Who do you think organized the rebellion and funded, trained and armed the rebels? There is no such thing as a spontaneous rebellion.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:45 | 6618008 nuubee
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Technically it was the bankers who made food ridiculously expensive and pushed most of the arab states into revolution.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:45 | 6618745 Matt
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Well, if you start consuming too much of your own oil, you have less to export and have budget short falls.

This leads to more debt and a drop in your currency, which increases the cost of imports.

Meanwhile, your population has grown ten-fold in the last 70 years, and suddenly there is a 5-year drought.

Obviously, this is all caused by the Bankers, who control the amount of resources in the ground, your population's fertility rate, your domestic consumption of oil, and the weather. All hail the Bankers, for they are all powerful! 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:53 | 6618774 Bring the Gold
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So the bombing isn't a factor or the war?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:45 | 6618011 Oldwood
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Well, I'm not sure who's fault it is, but you can't blame Obama....he was only trying to help.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:43 | 6618512 tsuki
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And who was he trying to help? 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 20:56 | 6618790 Oldwood
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Obviously the sarcasm was lost.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:48 | 6619144 newbie vampire
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"And who was he trying to help? "

The "moderate" terrorists financed by us to bring democracy to Syria.  Now, the only problem is getting the Syrian population to stay and accept the democratic ISIS administraion who have enriched the lives of many Syrians with their live entertainment programs.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:42 | 6619132 newbie vampire
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"Who do you think organized the rebellion and funded, trained and armed the rebels?"

Ahh yes.   BUT we only funded, trained and armed "moderate" terrorists.   The Syrian spring brought democracy and it is a sad example that ordinary Syrians just do not appreciate the benevolence of the ISIS administration.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 01:09 | 6619414 Joe A
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Ungrateful bitches, really.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:25 | 6617919 Bay of Pigs
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For a guy who has been here well over 3 years, it appears you are as sharp as a bowling ball on what has happened in Syria.

Question is, why?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:43 | 6617995 MsCreant
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Maybe the logic is that since there has been fighting there for at least 4,000 years, what we do to destabilize governments does not matter...

So, we can do anything we want!

Poor Russia, the next "World Police" because we won't stop bullying folks.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:55 | 6618035 Flagit
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And that's what I don't get. It's like they just assumed we are all new to the site, haven't read a single article that wasn't cleared by the Ministry of Truth, and are eager to lap up as fact, any and all off-the-wall ramblings. Like we are not already indoctrinated as to the results of 50 years of failed Foreign Policy.

If by chance you are paid to sit in a cubical and post official .gov narrative, consider quitting. I don't even require that you see things MY way. Just look over your shoulder and see who exactly is holding your leash. You might be surprised to see it's attached to a very long arm that stretches back to Israhel.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:58 | 6619173 TheReplacement
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Israel is the prized project.  DC is the puppet.  The puppetmasters live/work in NYC and London.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:01 | 6618080 Oldballplayer
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I've been here three years.  I am not a jew hating conspiracist though.

Sure, I understand we took sides.  That is Obama's "Arab Spring" M.O.

But, ISIL is Frankenstien's monster running amok in Syria and Iraq.  What I wonder is what are all of the young men I see running away?  What a bunch of pussies.  Take a side.  Protect your families.  Fight for something.

Fuck'em all.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:07 | 6618104 Bay of Pigs
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"That is Obama's "Arab Spring" M.O."

Bullshit. Scroll down this thread and you'll see a great post explaining US/Israeli foreign policy history on this subject going back decades.

"I am not a jew hating conspiracist though."

Get your head out of your ass who is responsible for this mess and and maybe you'll see the light.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:17 | 6618128 The Indelicate ...
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what's a jew-hating conspiracy theorist?

someone who suggests there's evidence right wing Jewish neocons were largely responsible for lying us into Iraq for the perceived benefit of Israel?

If I catch a thief stealing something, and call him a thief, is it not true if he turns out to be a Jew?

"Jews" doesn't mean "all Jews" anymore than "the Americans bombed Iraq" means every american dropped a bomb in Iraq.

I suspect you don't take the time to read links provided - that's up to you, of course, but don't be so fucking stupid as to not read links provided and think you can legitimately dismiss the argument.

I'm not fucking Dutch Boy.

I think this disproportionate power is incredibly harmful, and it has largely, although by no means exclusively, lead us to where we are now.

Take some time to read what I've posted below - they aren't links to dutch boy's blog.

They tell a story.

means motive opportunity benefit
evidence-based polemics...

and over and over, because its about right wing Likudnik Zionist Jews, people like you, more brainwashed - **literally** than you know, don't even *think*.

Agree or disagree - of course - but you have to consider the evidence and think for yourself first.

Ultimately, that's all I'm trying to do.

The facts speak for themselves once you are aware of them.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:03 | 6619185 TheReplacement
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"right wing Jewish necons"

1.  I'm right wing - libertarian.  There ain't nothing libertarian about a neocon.  You do not understand the terminology so don't use it. 

2.  It is quite likely, based on actual population numbers, that most neocons are not even Jewish.  Exclude them and most of the criminal cabal skates.

 

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 04:11 | 6619547 HowdyDoody
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The Zionist infiltrators are chameleons who switch side to side according to the prevailing dominant power. Communist today. Fascist tomorrow. Their only truth is wealth and power for Israel.

 

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:27 | 6618192 DrData02
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Many most likely have taken a side and are waiting to get in-country to link up with their units.  Too many fighting age males and too few women and children in the "exodus" for this not to be probable.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:21 | 6618413 apocalypticbrother
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And the thing that makes it so deliciously funny for Zionists is that the whole exodus of agents operation is financed by the very western peoples they will soon be attacking. Oy Vey such a funny set up!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:51 | 6618033 taoJones
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Start by reading Rogue State by William Blum, then let's talk...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:18 | 6618156 The Indelicate ...
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"No sure why that is all the US's fault."

Okay - fuck you. No one is this obtuse.

Troll.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 22:59 | 6619176 newbie vampire
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"Okay - fuck you. No one is this obtuse."

It was sarcasm.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:05 | 6617825 stant
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Obama = prince of darkness

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6617831 venturen
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This is Obama's renewable plan...make electricity so expensive no one can use it...well except Soros, Clintons, Obama, Gore, Steyer, maybe Buffet if he has enough money left

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6617840 Agent P
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1/2 prince of darkness

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:34 | 6617952 MsCreant
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Some say as little as 1/16.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 23:05 | 6619193 TheReplacement
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Fine, 1/16th puppet of darkness.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:05 | 6617826 Hussflier
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Looks like the syrian refugees just turned off the lights on the way out. No sense in paying that electric bill if they are invading other countries. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6617836 Joe A
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The before and after pictures were taken by different satellites but the implied message could be valid unless of course the Syrian suddenly became very energy using conscience.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:07 | 6617842 RopeADope
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There seems to be blurring on the 2011 image which exaggerates the area of the light sources compared to the 2015 image.

Yet, it is still a rather dramatic change and it is always interesting to see non-verbal descriptions.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:20 | 6617897 NotApplicable
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That blurring is merely lower density of lighting. If you'll notice, Lebanon has blurry areas in both images.

Basically, the farther you get from an urban center, the dimmer/blurrier it looks.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:36 | 6617958 RopeADope
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On average there is a 20 degree difference in temperature between March and September in Damascus. September should be more blurry because of the higher temperature. Also comparing Adana, Turkey (upper left) in both images shows the blur better.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:47 | 6618017 Oldwood
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I get more blurry the later it gets.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:35 | 6617956 Squid Viscous
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sure are alot of lights in Northern Israel, i guess God's work is a 24/7 job

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:08 | 6617843 The Pope
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So the 'PORKY's" style whorehouse along the banks of the Euphrates River is safe? No?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:08 | 6617845 A Lunatic
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Looks like a good Motel 6 franchise opportunity.......

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:03 | 6618082 The Pope
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Or, to put it another way, if those spots are just because I haven't cleared the sperm spray off my monitor from the porn site I was just on, then my assessment might be flawed.

 

Go ahead. JUNK that comedic offering (because it lacks the depth in which a SERIOUS thread like this one requires).

 

Relax with a few snorts of Chivas Regal folks. & get back to me about 11PM, (like last night), about how my frivilous comments are corrupting the fabric of your 2nd Life worlds.

 

The Pope

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:11 | 6617858 Freddie
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The Russian air force and their helicopters going after ISIS ass near Homs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkKQrp86vWg

The helicopters do not appear to be worrying about any Stingers.  Wonder if they have that USS Donald Cook ECM jammer.

Comrades - when you are finished head north towards Turkey and blow Erdogan's ass to kingdom come.  Maybe they will catch out John McCain in a white Toyota.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:19 | 6617892 matermaker
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This will be over before you know it.  I just don't see the West being able to muster the money, public opinion, or ability to stop this.   It's snowballing.  There will be a shit ton of the Russ, Persians and maybe even Chinese in there before D.C. knows what's really going on.  Not even a false flag will change that.   I can't imagine the Jews even have the balls to take on the group that has gotten together to refurbish the old Persian Empire.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:23 | 6617911 NotApplicable
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A false flag will allow the politicos in DC to adopt a harsher rhetoric, though. Given they gassed civilians last time, who knows what's next. Dirty bomb, perhaps?

I weep for humanity. As long as fools insist upon being governed by others, this will never cease.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:39 | 6617978 Squid Viscous
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US fighter jet shot down in 3...2...1...

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:00 | 6618070 Crocodile
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I agree with the former and the latter cannot exist, for as soon as the anarchist come together they form rules.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:52 | 6618041 Freddie
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Hopefully Americans with kids will tell them not to enlist. 

This fiasco is worse than the last money orgy known and LBJ'$$$ Vitenam War of fraud and Treasury looting.

At least in the 1960s there were jobs which is why they drafted kids.

No election is going to fix the endemic corruption in America.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:58 | 6618062 Max Steel
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Na Mi helos have their own ECM suites to hide them from both Enemy guided missiles and Enemy's fighter planes. Can jam up to 8 targets simultaneously. ECM is effective against air targets up to 300 km away.

See this video for reference :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unrtNOTJd34

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:55 | 6618559 Freddie
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Wow.  Serious stuff built by serious people.  The Russians deal in reality.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:20 | 6618078 Flagit
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  I just don't see the West being able to muster the money, public opinion, or ability to stop this.

Um, stop what? Another sovereign country, acting on behalf of another sovereign country, within said sovereign countries widely acknowledged geographical boundaries?

This couldn't have LESS to do with the US if it tried.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:22 | 6618417 Boxed Merlot
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…just don't see the West being able to muster the money,..

 

I'll agree with this statement as long as you're defining "money" as something other than "wealth".  The US has already allowed our 536 DC dolts to effectively assign this important element of national sovereignty to those with even more dubious allegiance than our Dear Leader’s Kenyan citizenship nor his handler’s dual Israeli citizenships.

Suffice it to say there are next to zero persons within the beltway looking out for the interest of those persons who have inherited the benefits of the Monroe Doctrine.

Not that I agree with President Jackson’s handling of the “American Indigenous” people’s relocation to the Oklahoma Territory, but as a person caught up in that particular event in our, (the USA’s), development, I’d contend we’ve done far worse things since.

Particularly since Reagan was forced / convinced / deceived / into accepting a Langley plant as his running mate thereby setting the stage for this Texas resident and his offspring to occupy an important and contributing role in the disassembling of the United element of our Union.

The one thing I’ll agree with our current Pennsylvania Avenue’s resident doing in bathing the structure in Purple is the recognition that there is now no effective difference between the blue and red aisles.

I’m willing to turn the light out as I leave, but unfortunately; I can’t seem to find the door.

 

Jmo.  

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:35 | 6618468 Freddie
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They tried to get rid of Reagan more than a few times.  Remember in NH at the debate where Reagan smacked the shit out of Poppy Bush saying "I paid for this microphone."   He clinched the nomination that night.

Then they used a F'ed up Bush family friend retard son to try to shoot him.  They failed.  Then they gave him a Langley prion and said he got Alzheimers.  Then Poppy Bush did the first amnesty.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:24 | 6617912 will ling
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last paragraph sentiment best advice vlad could get - and take! send a message to the empire vlad , it's next! the world will be a whole lot better off.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:58 | 6618058 Crocodile
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McCain is too much of a coward and a sell out.  Take it from veterans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hr37eE0nO8

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:27 | 6618379 socalbeach
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Freddie - posts on russiadefence.net (thanks to JohnInMK for the link) said those were Russian exercises outside of Syria with Arabic captions: http://www.russiadefence.net/t4532p60-russian-military-involvement-and-a...

Center-2015 Russian maneuvers

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:53 | 6618510 Freddie
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+1

Thanks.

I get sick of those John Hagee Jonathan Pollard Bibi-loving Evangelicals.  Putin and his allies are the only ones trying to stop evil and the slaughter of innocent people regardless of their faith. 

Putin talking about his faith either before or after a 3 hour Christmas mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk

The Bushes, Clintons, Cheney, Bibi, Obama, Soros, Schumer, Feinstein, Zuckerberg, MIC or ZIC, ZATO, Nuland, McCain and the rest have killed probably 3 million Christians in the ME and Ukrane along with millions of other innocent people. 

This goes along with 25 million Russian and Ukrainian Christians murder by the Bolsheviks - the same people like Nuland, Porky, Soros and Yatz. 

F them all and I hope they all burn in hell.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:11 | 6617860 SillySalesmanQu...
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"Let me be clear, I said for no lights to be left on...that they were to be stoned back to the drone age."

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:11 | 6617864 Moe Hamhead
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So what!  I haven't had any night-time emissions in over 50years!

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:40 | 6617984 Benjamin123
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No light emissions? Is it heavy?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:16 | 6617871 Latitude25
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That's all fine and good but WHAT TIME OF NIGHT WERE THE 2 PHOTOS TAKEN?  Notice a whole lot less light in Lebanon and Israel too.  Inconclusive bullshit.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:21 | 6617904 gammab0y
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That's just blurring from the quality of the sat camera.  But you'll notice that only matters in areas that were flooded with light.

Whole cities in Syria which were illuminated in 2011 are pitch black in 2015.   Nothing inconclusive about that.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:26 | 6617921 Latitude25
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You think like a westerner.  First of all there are way fewer lights on at 2:00 AM than at 9:00 PM.  Secondly many places I have lived and been to SHUT OFF the power late at night to save energy.  Try again.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:56 | 6618049 Crocodile
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Your bucket has many holes.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:11 | 6618114 Latitude25
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.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:11 | 6618115 Latitude25
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I see your superior intellect has pointed them out.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:21 | 6618167 Bemused Observer
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Hey, you're that Kim guy from North Korea, aren't you?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:13 | 6617874 WTFUD
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$100's of billions invested keeping us in the dark; alas to no avail; we can all see through the Cabal's BULLSHIT.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:14 | 6617878 CHoward
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All those lights are just the American's jet plumes and landing lights on the drones. 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:17 | 6617885 AZLagun
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Long candles.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:19 | 6617894 The Indelicate ...
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us foreign policy is Zionist Israel's foreign policy

Context of 'February 1982: Article in Israeli Journal Says Israel Should Exploit Internal Tensions of Arab States'

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

"Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion. Israeli intelligence working hand in glove with the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and NATO is directly supportive of the crusade directed against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS), which ultimately seeks to destroy both Syria and Iraq as nation states. "

- http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

Washington’s Longstanding Plans to Implement “Regime Change” in Syria

http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-longstanding-plans-to-implement...

Bush and Obama - couldn't be different, right, and yet State remains lousy with Israel Firster neocon warmongers.

Richard Perle was investigated for spying, and ends up in thye Bush administration?

Irving Kristol said a neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality.

but what a neoconservative really is is a Zionist, Jewish or not, who seeks to use American blood and treasure, regardless of the cost in lives or blood, for the perceived benefits of the Jewish State in the Levant.

'Just as some neoconservatives see the failure of U.S. forces in Iraq as a pretext to threaten Iran, others find the failure to recover Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction” a pretext to accuse Syria. In 2003, they passed on the ridiculous allegations of Ariel Sharon, who said that Iraq had secretly transferred their WMDs to Syria, along with their nuclear scientists. On November 11th, 2003, Congress passed the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, imposing economic sanctions intended “to halt Syrian support for terrorism, end its occupation of Lebanon, [and] stop its development of weapons of mass destruction”. The aggression against Syria didn’t begin until 2012, under the guise of a civil war, but it had been premeditated since at least February 2000, when David Wurmser, in an article for the American Enterprise Institute entitled “Let’s Defeat Syria, Not Appease It” was calling for a conflict through which “Syria will slowly bleed to death”."

- http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

If they weren't Jews - people would be talking about this openly and frequently.

But they are.

so they can set up shop in the Pentagon to make an end run around the CIA to get the war Netanyahu and Likud want.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory

"Both Wolfowitz and Feith have deep roots in the neoconservative movement. One of the most influential Washington neo- conservatives in the foreign-policy establishment during the Republicans' wilderness years of the 1990s, Wolfowitz has long held that not taking Baghdad in 1991 was a grievous mistake. He and others now prominent in the administration said so repeatedly over the past decade in a slew of letters and policy papers from neoconservative groups like the Project for the New American Century and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Feith, a former aide to Richard Perle at the Pentagon in the 1980s and an activist in far-right Zionist circles, held the view that there was no difference between U.S. and Israeli security policy and that the best way to secure both countries' future was to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem not by serving as a broker, but with the United States as a force for "regime change" in the region."

And if you note that a bunch of unqualified Jewish Zionists were suddenly 'experts' coming to conclusions the real experts didn't - you're a "anti-Semite."

And over a million people are dead and still the neocons want more blood for Zion.

http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future

Had enough yet?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:59 | 6618069 Bay of Pigs
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^^^^^^ this...

Down votes for explaining US/Israeli Zio and Neocon foreign policy in the ME?

Really. WTF?

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:10 | 6618110 The Indelicate ...
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hasbara trolls/lurkers {hi boys}
Israel Firsters
Jewish Supremacists
brainwashed dupes allergic to facts.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 18:06 | 6618097 Flagit
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Had enough yet?

Last week, actually.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 19:45 | 6618521 TAALR Swift
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If I may make a general observation... If you want to dis the wealthy, the influential, the high and mighty -- the 1% -- by writing many daily articles how these people are constantly out to rip you off or worse, then you simply do what ZH does:  create a website and write for Fun & Profit.

If, OTH, you get too specific, and identify a particular group, like the one you keep mentioning -- the 2% -- then this is considered bad, wrong and potentially punishable by being banned from the site.  You may however dis any and all other groups that are not covered by the prevailing political blessings, and who lack representation on K Street.

I will give you points however for using terms that refer to a specific sociopolitical ideology (Zionism) that is just as legitimate to criticize as any other sociopolitical group, rather than branding an entire People.  Keep using words with surgical precision, and demand that others do so also.  That way, you won't have to sound defensive (and you do), and you won't have to chase red herrings that redirect the talking points down blind alleys -- as intended.

Fri, 10/02/2015 - 05:05 | 6619573 HowdyDoody
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Zeroth Rule of Zionism: Israel First

First Rule of Zionism: Not all Zionists are Jews.

Second Rule of Zionism: Not all Jews are Zionists

 

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:21 | 6617903 alexcojones
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"Success and "US Foreign Policy" 

Does Not Compute

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:24 | 6617915 _SILENCER
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They're just doing their part for global warming.

Thu, 10/01/2015 - 17:29 | 6617930 The Pope
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Al Gore is gonna have to noodle on that conundrum in his private jet on the way back from the next Bilderberg meeting. He'll get back to you on that as soon as the hangover wears off.

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