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Washington Blasts Putin For Russian Strikes On "CIA-Backed Rebels" In Syria
On Wednesday, we said that while even we were surprised at how quickly the Western propaganda machine was put into motion in the wake of Russia’s first airstrikes in Syria, it wasn’t at all surprising to see reports surface that Moscow was targeting US-backed forces rather than ISIS. Here’s how we put it:
Followiing Russian lawmakers’ move to officially sanction airstrikes in Syria, Moscow wasted no time in launching its first round of air raids. In turn, the West wasted no time in contending that Russia is targeting areas that aren’t known to be strategically significant for ISIS. Here’s a look at two headlines which do a nice job of summarizing all of the rhetoric which you’re about to hear emanating ceaselessly from every corner of the Western world in the coming days and weeks:
- U.S. IS CONCERNED RUSSIA'S INTENT IS PROTECTING ASSAD: KERRY
- U.S. HAS 'GRAVE CONCERNS' IF RUSSIA STRIKES OUTSIDE ISIL AREAS
And here’s WSJ with a sneak peek at the new narrative which Washington will be working hard to refine:
Russian President Vladimir Putin inserted his country directly into Syria’s war Wednesday, as Russian forces launched their first airstrikes against what Moscow said were Islamic State targets in the Middle Eastern nation.
But Western leaders raised doubts about whether Russia really intended to take the fight to Islamic State, or merely broaden the Syrian regime’s offensive against a wide range of other opponents.
But with the exception of the area east of the town of Salamiyah in Hama province, none of the areas listed by the Syrian regime have a known presence of Islamic State fighters. They are largely dominated by relatively moderate rebel factions and Islamist groups like Ahrar al-Sham and the al Qaeda affiliate the Nusra Front.
And then Reuters jumped on the bandwagon, saying that based on a Skype interview with rebel commanders, it was clear that Russian warplanes were deliberately targeting anti-regime forces other than ISIS.
The point here isn't to suggest that Moscow isn't targeting other rebel factions operating in Syria, it's to say that i) Russia has never made a secret of its intentions to bolster Assad by routing any extremist elements aiming to overthrow the government in Damascus, and ii) the idea that the US and its regional allies are a good judge of who is a "moderate" rebel and who is or will end up being a terrorist is laughable. Indeed, thanks to the brutality of ISIS, the "moderate" label is now being openly applied to al-Qaeda (see the WSJ article cited above) which would appear to suggest that Washington would prefer a Syria run by Ayman al-Zawahiri rather than Assad.
Well on Thursday the media propaganda machine kicked into high gear as WSJ is now effectively chiding Russia for hitting areas controlled in part by "CIA-backed rebels". Here's more:
Russia launched airstrikes in Syria on Wednesday, catching U.S. and Western officials off guard and drawing new condemnation as evidence suggested Moscow wasn’t targeting extremist group Islamic State, but rather other opponents of Bashar al-Assad’s regime.
One of the airstrikes hit an area primarily held by rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency and allied spy services, U.S. officials said, catapulting the Syrian crisis to a new level of danger and uncertainty. Moscow’s entry means the world’s most powerful militaries—including the U.S., Britain and France—now are flying uncoordinated combat missions, heightening the risk of conflict in the skies over Syria.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Russia’s approach to the Syrian war—defending Mr. Assad while ostensibly targeting extremists—was tantamount to “pouring gasoline on the fire.”
“I have been dealing with them for a long time. And this is not the kind of behavior that we should expect professionally from the Russian military,” Mr. Carter said at a Pentagon news conference.
The U.S. and its allies were angry at the Russians on many scores: that they are supporting Mr. Assad; that they aren’t coordinating their actions with the existing, U.S.-led anti-Islamic State coalition; that they provided terse notice only an hour before their operations; that they demanded the U.S. coalition stay out of Syrian airspace; and that they struck in areas where anti-Assad rebels—not Islamic State—operate.
“It does appear that they were in areas where there probably were not ISIL forces, and that is precisely one of the problems with this whole approach,” said Mr. Carter, the U.S. defense chief.
It would be a "problem with the approach" if your aim wasn't to restore the Assad regime, but because that is Russia's explicit (not secret, and not "mysterious", as Washington insists) aim, there's no "problem" with it at all.
Back to WSJ for the inevtiable comparisons with Crimea and Ukraine:
The U.S. spy agency has been arming and training rebels in Syria since 2013 to fight the Assad regime. Rebels who receive support under a separate arming and training program run by the Pentagon weren’t in areas targeted by Russia in its initial strikes, the officials said.
The combination of unpredictable, unilateral action that flouted Western exhortations posed an unmistakable resemblance to Ukraine, where Mr. Putin moved to annex the Crimea region and has defied international demands to halt its support for separatists.
Mr. Putin’s decision-making in Syria mirrors the way he has approached Ukraine, said Andrew Weiss, vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
“He deliberately tries to do things to throw opponents off balance and he’s always trying to get some sort of element of surprise and tactical advantage over people, that’s sort of what keeps him going is this constant springing surprises and flipping events in his favor,” said Mr. Weiss, who worked on Russia policy in the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations.
Yes, an "unmistakable resemblance to Ukraine," much like Washington's approach to ousting Assad by training and arming extremist elements marks an "unmistakable resemblance" to countless Mid-East foreign policy blunders where the results of Washington's meddling end up being far worse than the "problem" the US was trying to "fix."
And on that note, we'll simply close by saying that while we have no doubt that Russian airstrikes will contribute to the human suffering in Syria (they're dropping bombs on populated areas after all), anyone covering this story should be careful to note that civilians (women and children included) have been dying by the hundreds of thousands in Syria for years while the US continued to support the proxy armies that contributed to the instability. So keep that in mind when you read things like the following passage, again from WSJ:
Video filmed by people affiliated with local rebel groups and posted on YouTube showed the aftermath of the airstrikes in Talbiseh. In one video, rebels and citizens are seen rushing down a street as thick black smoke and fire engulfed heavily damaged buildings. Then they are shown attempting to rescue those trapped under the rubble. A dazed man covered in blood was lifted up from the ground and taken outside.
“Is there anyone here?” a voice is heard shouting. “I don’t know, I don’t know but lots of people live here!” answers a panicked man.
In another video a naked child covered in blood and shrapnel is shown crying on a bed at a local field hospital.
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Putin-envy.
Welcome to NOT running the world USA...
The dog ate my al Nusra!
China needs to send 200,000 troups and tell Washington to STFU.
There will be a lot of hand-wringing by the US, Kerry will bitch and bellyache, Obama will try to make it sound like this was his plan all along but Putin tricked him AND THE US WILL SIT ON ITS ASS AND DO NOTHING. As well it should, because we don't belong there and Putin's now in the driver's seat with our balls firmly in his grasp. Like was said, above, welcome to the US not running the world any more.
About time some one got the CIA (Corporations Intelligence Agency). Gulf of Tonkin false flag event soon to come?
Sunni vs Shia under various new brand names introduced to you by the media. Red ant vs. Black ant. Support this or that ant! The other ant has declared war on America. Blah blah blah.
It is fun watching the WSJ, WP and NYT pressitudes tripping over their lying tongues. Who would have thought that after blowing up the twin towers (sic), Al Quaida are now the 'good' terrorists. Really, who can make this shit up?
Western medicine men don't like it when they have to take their own medicine.
the element of surprise....gee, that's been russia's tactic for at least 50 years - took them long enough to figure that out.
By saying that the US is concerned about Russia protecting Assad, they are openly admitting their goal is to remove Assad. Who authorized that? I thought the goal was ISIS. Russia has the right to support its allie, the Syrian government. The US does not have the right to remove any government they want.
Strike those fuckers some more! Wipe them out! They are useless DNA-trash to humanity anyhow.
Remarkable how the U.S. media became empathic for civilians suffering during a bombing campaign when someone else is doing the bombing...
Exempting Gaza.
Didn't Netenyahu just visit Washington/New York?
Coincidence?
Folks, My prediction is these chinese city bombs originate from Israel/Mossad.
Israel has always loved chaos in the M E....they want this party started.
USSA/Israel are a team of course, but Obama is walking away from Israel,
he's always wanted to do so,
jmo
Anyone else see the video of McManiac saying we should arm the 'Free Syrian Army' (whatever that is) with advanced anti-aircraft missiles to shoot don't Russian fighter bombers? He is truly out of his mind, not that this is news to anyone.
"Make it a hundred years..."
John McCain 2008 (on US occupation of Iraq)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM
Multi-decade post Spanish-American war occupations come to mind. Pro-democracy? Batista and Marcos come to mind.
The Communists in China need new members like Madoff needed new investors, Islam is the only source of new votes in the region, Islam is the last lifeline for the Communists in Asia, and the EU, and Africa and they will grab it and hang onto it to stay in power.
None of the US's puppet friends have ever told them that...that is why they are in shock that Russia,Iran, China, and Iraq just "publicly" told them that!
And of course they wont listen!
None of the US's puppet friends have ever told them that...that is why they are in shock that Russia,Iran, China, and Iraq just "publicly" told them that!
And of course they wont listen!
Mr. Putin’s decision-making in Syria mirrors the way he has approached Ukraine, said Andrew Weiss, vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
“He deliberately tries to do things to throw opponents off balance and he’s always trying to get some sort of element of surprise and tactical advantage over people, that’s sort of what keeps him going is this constant springing surprises and flipping events in his favor,” said Mr. Weiss, who worked on Russia policy in the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton"
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What a pathetic comment from a person who has contributed to destroying the middle east.
Yeah, It's like the freakin' pot calling the freakin' kettle black...
;-D
Yeah, Mr Weiss, incredulous, can not believe Putin/Russia would resist Ukrainian alignment with Europe, and possible
NATO membership, or resist being denied a strategic port in Syria, or resist the potential nat. gas pipeline that would
greatly undermine their market share, and subsequent leverage. I guess they're supposed to just hand over their marbles
to the neocon hegemony, and slink back home for vodka and borscht.
That natural gas pipeline is dead. We made sure of that when we destabilized the region.
Unless you want to go build and maintain a pipeline through there now.
No, the pipeline pipedream died when Russian boots hit the ground. The plan was always to have the worst of the worst (ISIS) defeat Assad and take over Syria. Then the US/NATO would have a clear path to invade Syria, destroy ISIS, and then build the pipeline.
It was all predicated on ISIS winning. Hence the weapons, training, and bizarre $500M in USD cash they captured from Mosul banks.
Hilarious. There are official CIA backed rebels and then they can't find enough "moderates" to train for the official program. What kind of farce are they trying to run lol?
Real moderate Syrians do not want to start killing random people in order to remove Assad. The 'moderate rebels' are straight US stooge material, just like the 'liberal opposition' in Russia. These liberals put all their resources together into a single city election and still only gained about 2% of the vote. The 'moderate rebels' are probably a similarly low proportion of the total population of Syria, if they exist at all.
Best said, WTF, RLY?
“He deliberately tries to do things to throw opponents off balance and he’s always trying to get some sort of element of surprise and tactical advantage over people..."
That sounds rather like something that a Judo Master or a Globalist might do, or the Special Interests that Mr. White (Weiss) favors. Who's "calling the kettle white", Mr. White.
Versus the opposition who simply throws shit at the fan and points and laughs at the Hillary spectacle while working on his golf swing between communist appointments.
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“He deliberately tries to do things to throw opponents off balance and he’s always trying to get some sort of element of surprise and tactical advantage over people, that’s sort of what keeps him going is this constant springing surprises and flipping events in his favor,” said Mr. Weiss, who worked on Russia policy in the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations.
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Whoa, how about a bit of cheese to go with that whine! Ya don't get a black belt in a martial art by being predictable!
Next thing ya know, Putin might actually try to win this conflict!
It begins.
Finally, Putin's true colors are revealed, 'deliberately [trying] to do things to throw opponents off balance', 'always trying to get some sort of element of surprise and tactical advantage over people,' 'constant springing of surprises and flipping events in his favor.'
Thank you, Mr. Weiss, for at last interjecting some clear-headed observations into the discussion.
For unmasking this rogue's despicable maneuterings, perhaps now we can move forward with more sanctions and condemnations against the Russian aggressor as he predates in a brute-force display of unmitigated surprises and flipping, much like Hitler dismembering Czechoslovakia and invading Poland!
-1 for being a misinformed dope
+1 for dope recognition skills
You are either the kind of idiot that would cry because someone hit you back or a paid disinformation agent.
Say, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Do you have Mr. Weiss' credentials and can you oppose his reasoning?
Andrew Weiss, vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
it is pathetic isn't it
Been waiting for China and Russia to call their bluff. It's a little different than picking on Libya
"One of the airstrikes hit an area primarily held by ***rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency and allied spy services, U.S. officials said*** "
THESE WAR-PROFITEERING ASSHOLES ARE USING THE UNITED STATES AS A FRONT FOR INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM, RAPE, PLUNDER & PILLAGE.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ENTIRE 'WAR ON TERROR' & POLICE STATE APARATUS WERE SOLD AS ANIDOTE/RESPONSE TO...
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT AL-CIADA IS NOW BASICALLY IN CONTROL OF THE 'SECURITY & MILITARY & POLICE' APPARATUS OF 'THE UNITED STATES'...
my plan, usa, russia, china and the eu take over iraq from those gutless cavemen and split the oil four ways.
Yeah, who the hell do those "cavemen" think they are, with their whiney assed "Don't kill my family!, don't destroy my home!, don't enslave me
to poverty!", fuckin' pussies! They've got superior technology, and numbers, and financing--so why don't they stand up on their caveman hindlegs
and fight like men! Fuckin' cowards! Why won't the yellow bellied kitten not kill the pit bulldog? lily livered little fucker! The Fremen may need to
find their Muad'Dib, before all the time bending oil spice is completely absconded by the Harkonnens.
No kiddin, who the hell are they to be residing over our oil?
Countries with the most advanced weaponry in the world drop depleted uranium shells on people living in huts, while calling them "extremists". I tell you what - if you defend against tanks and airplanes with rocks, you're not an extremist. You're an optimist.
- Steve Hughes
You apparently birth trauma, asphyxia from the umbilical cord entanglement or drunk midwife dropped you. This affects the state of your intelligence, or rather its absence.
I wonder how many private military contractors were caught in the CIA backed rebel positions?
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d. Detachment Commander
e. Detachment Warrant Officer
Minimum Requirements for any of these positions are
1. Served in these positions IN AN ACTIVE DUTY GROUP
2. Served in these positions in IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN/PHILIPPINES
3. Served at least 7 years in an Active Duty Special Forces Group 2. Special Forces NCO that have served in the following positions a. ODA Operations Sgt. 18Z b. ODA Intelligence Sgt 18F c. ODA Weapons Sgt 18B d. ODA Engineer Sgt 18C e. ODA Medical Sgt. 18D f. ODA Communications Sgt 18E g. Special Forces Qualified Canine Handler
Minimum requirements for any of these positions are
1. Served in these positions IN AN ACTIVE DUTY GROUP or National Guard
2. Served in these positions in IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN or PHILIPPINES
3. Served at least 7 years in an Active Duty/National Guard Special Forces Group
PAY IS $1250-$1750 PER DAY DEPLOYED AND A RETAINER FOR NON-DEPLOYED DAYS ALL APPLICANTS WILL BE CONSIDERED INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS FOR THIS EFFORT ALL APPLICANTS MUST BE PREPARED TO CONDUCT THE FOLLOWING MISSIONS
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Must be drug-free with ability to successfully pass drug screening test Must possess the ability to effectively conduct cross-cultural communications and deliver training/instruction with the use of an interpreter Basic knowledge of Arabic is desired but not required Prior experience developing military instructional material Prior experience working with Iraqi SOF is highly desired JTAC Qualification is highly desired and should be highlighted on your resume
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Not enough. Contractor is a fancy name for mercenaries, hired murderers. Kill for money, get what you deserve.
Americans are the past masters at playing with bad words to make them sound better.
Contractor = Mercenary
Enhanced interrogation = Torture
Bungalow = Ranch style house
Junk bonds = High yield bonds
Assassination = Targeted killing (of bad guys, we promise, all to 'help keep you safe')
Got to hand it to them because it works.
And will continue ad infinitum as long as Peace=War
kosher pig latin by way of the Rosetta Stone
Question.
Do all those private pay mercenaries 1) get the stellar veteran medical care when they come back, or 2) do they get no-access-to-doctors Obamacare, or 3) do they get blue chip non-Obamacare health insurance like the politicians?
Blue chip health plus if they come back alive that is about $300,000 - $400,000 in the bank. selling their souls for such a low price.
the contractors i talked to in kuwait got around 150k for working about 8 months out of the year. all they did was base security, checking cars, etc. they also lived off base in big houses on a fuckin GOLF COURSE that their employer paid for, so they paid no rent. The guy also said that healthcare for them and their families was similar to tricare, so they didn't have to pay for jack shit out of pocket. they were getting paid 4-5 times as much for doing the exact same job they did in the army as E-3 to E-5s, just working a security checkpoint in kuwait. And the most dangerous thing I ever saw in kuwait was driving down the highway with those fuckers(speed limits were more like speed suggestions..)
That was 7 or 8 years ago, and in a different country, but Id imagine they get paid a lot more if there is actual danger involved. Uncle sugar has clearly shown he doesn't give a shit how much any of this costs, so Im sure they get paid a lot more nowadays
"ALL Candidates WILL BE GIVEN DIPLOMATIC SOVEREIGNTY FOR THIS CONTRACT"
This clause in the mercenary contract means that immunity will be granted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, hostage-taking and other comparable charges. This gives these paid killers carte blanche to do whatever they want on foreign soil.
"This clause in the mercenary contract means that immunity will be granted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, hostage-taking and other comparable charges. This gives these paid killers carte blanche to do whatever they want on foreign soil. "
They are allowed to get away with quite a bit of domestic mayhem after they return.
.GOV steps in to protect them lest they talk too candidly about their service, the cops emply them as they meet stringencies of criteria that the averge joe doesn't, -and peaople are just fucking afraid to mess with jackals that have been employed as mercenaries and torturers...
"selling their souls for such a low price."
That's a matter of perspective. If your parents were illegal aliens, then this is like winning millions in a lottery.
"Give us your poor, your illiterate masses. Open up your jails and mental wards, and give us your organized criminals, your sick, your mental health patients. Give us your unskilled laborers, your desperate and displaced Natives and Native-Spanish hybrids, who will work for slave wages and whose sons will fight overseas for us. And, if possible, throw in the odd skilled or educated ones too, as there aren't enough of those is the USA either", might be an honest update to the old version.
Mass house arrest = "shelter at home"
... and don't forget the big one -
Depression = Recovery!
Priceless! LOL!
Somehow "Support our Contractors" or "Support our Mercs" just doesn't have the same ring to it, no matter how truthful it is.
It is a historic fact that the US has used such people for hundreds of years. Why, even in its early days, DC used genuine pirates. As did Spain and England.
When your studies are driven by a deeper purpose and genuine curiosity, the study of History is much, much more interesting than the cardboard-flavored variety that is typically taught in most schools.
Other than mercs having a cut and run mindset when the worm turns they are generally a gaggle of sick in the head psychopaths. Reports of ex SAS
drinking (no really) each other's jizz is not a myth.
The Brits have their share of private military contractors as well. Bottoms up ol chap.
All their workers killed.
What kinda monster runs a business like this?
Some links to AlaricBalth's resume post.
http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1487723-u-s-firm-taps-ex-ope...
http://media.scout.com/media/doc/144/1441931.pdf
"I wonder how many private military contractors were caught in the CIA backed rebel positions?"
Not enough. But its only day two. So there´s hope.
One of my wife's favorite sayings, "Grab, twist, yank". She has such humor!
Kerry IS a bitch and a bellyache
Yes, Putin should listen to the US, the creme del la creme of middle east stability
how dare some other nation prop up a dictator for energy lines
Last time I checked the map, the US had no borders contiguous with these ME countries.
Russia, China, etc. do.
So, why are we subverting these countries (I know, it is a rhetorical question).
The US needs jobs, rebuilt infrastructure, and a sealed border with a legal and Enforced immigration process.
In other words, fellow serfs, the Oligarchy has thrown you under the bus for Globalist Power.
The USSA "vital interest" is making sure the Russians don't use Syria as a distribution point for gas. JSP's in Europe must be scratching their heads as to why their gov's are so hell bent on not wanting cheaper gas lol!
I thought Bill O'Reilly was going to have a stroke last night.
I was only watching it in anticipation that the news it would.Tuned in especially.
maybe next time....hard to say which would be better to watch- an o'reilly stroke or jim cramers head exploding.
...followed by a huge vaccuum sound
"I thought Bill O'Reilly was going to have a stroke last night."
He's been all propaganda all week...Russia shot down MH17, Assad is a monster, Assad used chemical weapons...
Good, good. Now just work the collapse of oil prices into this and you have something.
Not needed. China can work back channels between Russia and the USSA, while quietly supporting Syria.
With Russian air power and intelligence gathering, the Syrians backed by the Iranians can burn out the ISIS/CIA rats nest. This is why the bankster globalists are so pissed. Their great hope of replacing Al Queda with ISIS is going up in smoke.
I've waited 60 years for us to be at war with Russia.
Just one little slip and it'll be Gulf of Tonkin ver. 2.0. Except now we know MacNamara lied and deceived LBJ with the information he provided LBJ in order to get us involved in Nam and help the bankers and military supply companies make billions.
AND as noise to cover the banker hit on Kennrdy.
And cover for the Israeli attack on USS Liberty. If you haven't read The Declaration of Ward Boston do it now:
http://www.usslibertydocumentcenter.org/doc/upload/Ward%20Boston%20Testi...
Sure hope the progressive criminals infesting the US FEDGOV are arrested before they can destroy more of the world with another war.
MacNamara and LBJ were progressives.
Not defending them but the world had just watched Russian commies kill 60 million of their own and at the same time the world watched Chinese commies kill 75 million of their own.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
That might have had something to do with Korea and Vietnam.
Just sayin.
Grimaldus
What you call "Russian" and "Chinese" Communism was in reality just another in a long line of Jewish revolutions. That's why "Russian" and "Chinese" Communism was funded by Wall St and the City of London, otherwise known as the Jewish Vatican.
Don't ever forget that. We owe it to the millions of slaughtered innocent Russians and Chinese to tell the truth, even if it's too late for them.
China should send in a number of troops that equates to the number of refugees that have headed to Europe. That will make Washington understand a little better.
Hey I'm all for the US not "ruling the world anymore". However, what makes anybody on here think that Russia and/or China wouldn't be doing the same thing if they were "ruling the world"? All Governments turn to force and deceit, having power begets wanting more power, it's a human trait not unique to the USSA. Just sayin'.
it's better to have competition
it's sort of like (real) capitalism
or nature
You don't want one ruler of the world, when you have at least 2 that are really in competition with each other they are forced to at least not be a complete dick and try to show how they are the right choice to side with. With one you get what we have now, a total belief in the powers that be of "its my way or the highway" don't like it? I will kill your ass. That is why one world Gov't is the worst thing that can possible happen to humanity. Do you really think that one ruling body over the globe would be "nice" to you? After all where are you going to go when you have now where to escape something you don't agree with?
There's never more than one "ruler", they either team up or duke it out. Same as it always was.
i dont remember which book it was, from Kahneman or Pinker, but there was a story inside how certain native people competed with presents! To show their richness, and shame the other off, they would give every time they visited each other more presents, than the other had before.
And after the fiesta, they would go home and think, how they could beat the other the next time with the bigger present.
But helas, it degenerated as well... in the end, the chiefs would burn whole ships just to show how rich and better they where. But still, i like the idea of this kind of competition aka war;)
They would eventually.
Most empires try to win over minds to start, before becoming total assholes in decline.
Pax Amercana is in the final stage of decline.Carrot and stick.
It is only a self-righteous cop-out
not to oppose one's own known current evils
because the imagined future evils of others might be equally bad or worse.
Hubris ALWAYS imagines the future worst of others
to falsely assert the present innocence of self.
Well put.
It's only truth. Show me one single instance of a superpower or regional majorpower that has done differently. All governments past, present, and future are evil, or soon to be evil. I am a cheerleader for none. Including the USSA, Russia, or China.
The "US" hasn't run the world ever. The Debt-Money Monopolists have run the world and continue to do so.
They are in a fine position right now. Almost all their agendas are moving forward and the Muppets are clueless, just as per plan.
Their terrorist destabilization program has suffered a set back, but that happens.
To think they aren't still in control when you probably got up early to earn a paycheck they created to FEED THEIR BEAST SYSTEM, well, is both very naive and very foolish.
Historical precedence. China has not been the aggressor in any conflict for over 100 years. Russia has not invaded anyone since WWII and that was a response to Germany's initial action, so not the aggressor.
The reality is that China and Russia have nothing to gain by invading other countries violently. They accomplish the same thing much cheaper by "investing" in resource rich countries (ala world bank and IMF).
Good for Russia
Anything 'backed' by CIA needs to be destroyed. Fucking Washingtion, Al-queda affiliates are now allies?
They can't get their lies straight. I thought Al Queda were the big bad boys blamed on 9-11, now they are friends?
Go ahead Russia, do what needs to be done to bring peace. The USA doesn't know what 'peace' is. They should send troops to Chicago to prevent all those people from getting shot.
So....Obama drew the line in the sand at the Syrian Border,
...and now, "Washington" it upset that Putin is crossing other imaginary lines that are drawn within Syria. This is very entertaining.
I also find it comical that we are criticizing Putin for not ANNOUNCING his military actions in advance and letting EVERYONE know what he plans on doing and where. Maybe, it's because in the thousands of years of military history that we know of, only the US, in very recent history has been stupid enough to announce their plan of action on CNN BEFORE they do it.
Yep Washington whining about "outside" interference to their plans. Every heard of Afghanistan and Charlie Wilson? What about those 1000 other meddlings Washington has done around the world.
How about this? STAY THE FUCK OUT OF FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS! I thought our founding fathers warned us about this?
Dumbasses! With Chocolate Jesus right there at the top.
+1 for Chocolate Jesus
I see the Mulatto marionette and his Wookie downvoted me.
Brilliant.
We can use the amount of angst coming out as a measure of Russia's success.
Seems the initial 2 days of strikes have really hit the button. If you want a pretty good view on what is happening cruise over to this thread
http://www.russiadefence.net/t368p945-russian-military-involvement-and-a...
Good site.
Great analysis there of the target. Looks like the video released by the Russians shows a arms depot tunnel taken out with amazingly precise airstrikes.The US is probably stunned as they haven't had to face a real adversary with a real airforce, since, well, Vietnam actually - and the Vietnamese airforce was just so-so going up against the US.
From that I take away the fact that the Russians/Syrians/Iranians know what is going on and where all the skeletons are buried (e.g. - where the juicy targets are), in other words, have very good Intel (probably lots of ground spotters to help with the strike).
Logistics is going to be a bitch for the US/Israel/SA/Turkish/EU alliance from now on. They'll do okay on the Turkish border for example, but any isolated pockets will turn into Russian caldrons. As the supplies run out for the other side, Assad with some Iranian/Hezbullah support is going to mop the floor with these guys. Stupid, poorly trained Arabs with a few mercenary commanders is no match for pissed off Syrian patriots with pissed off Russians backing them up with air cover and smart bombs.
The Russians in Syria are not pissed off, they are in there doing what they are paid to do and have had very few opportunities to do that recently.
This is a career changing chance for them. I bet there are some serious arguments in Moscow with everyone wanting a piece of the action.
Be they "Moderate Rebels", ISIS/ISIL, "Freedom Fighters", or local Tribal War Lords who are looking to expand their market share, they got off easy.
Had TAALR Swift ran the operation, I'd have hit them with a second wave of anti-personnel bombs after the attempts to rescue the wounded or trapped people had begun. That's what drones are for: to observe the results and help decide which targets need further "Kinetic Attention".
That way, they would have reason to leave them in the future, and to let them rot in the hot sun. As "good Muslims" they would therefore have reason to come to the Negotiation Table. If not, oh well, TFB (Too F..g Bad).
Yup. No dout the Russians are the bad guys here. This is the first time ever Russian airstrikes in ME. US been bombing/droning somebody daily for the last 25yrs. We won't even mention coup in Iran in 1953.
One team one dream or say hey! Its all Red White and Blue.
A moderate rebel is anyone that doesn't chop heads off? Not so much...Any male of age carrying a gun in Syria is a target. Moscow will neutralize targets that pose the greatest threat. Seems to me the group carrying US hardware are at the top of this pyramid, thus the kill box is their exact location.
Russian airstrikes destroy ISIS HQ in Idlib. Fuck the West, Syria's satanic neighbors, and the gulf coast, dobre dobre.
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1744477
Our terrorists are fine, outstanding folks who will bring peace, prosperity and democracy to Syria as they have been doing for the last several years.
Only 250,000 killed and more than 4,000,000 refugees from Syria. The Nobel Prize Winner would not lie, would he?
Obama Accuses Russia of Going After America’s “Good Guy Terrorists”http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-accuses-russia-of-going-after-america...
I thought there were only like 4 or 5 good guys left?
The elites of the US need badly to learn the classic gambling tactic: Know when to hold em, Know when to fold em, Know when to walk away. (Kenny Rogers)
There is no winning here! How many people are they going to kill, and how many of us need to be killed before they decide it's not worth it?
Oh yeah, like Washington had a monopoly on TRUTH.
Actually, they thought they had the monopoly on lying. As ZH has said again and again and again, finally, the other major powers are calling their bullshit. What do they do when they cannot lie with impunity anymore?
US acts like a teen girl in heat.
And Putin is the cock blocker.
For Obama, there is always Reggie....
Obama is a "Teen girl in heat"
7th grade queen bee drama queen.
More like Teen girl having her period.
"Moscow was targeting US-backed forces rather than ISIS"
Wait, stop. I'm already lost.
Well first of all there's good ISIS terrorists......and on the other hand.....there's bad ISIS terrorists.
And of course only the US "leadership" has the ability to discern which is which. BRILLIANT!
First of all, Putin is controlling the language being used - notice how the US is now calling the group "ISIL", not "ISIS". The US feels the need to respond on Putin's terms.
Second, it is becoming obvious to anyone paying attention that even by the explanations provided by the US that "US backed rebels" are al Qaeda or other groups associated with al Qaeda and probably ISIS itself.
Third, the US has no credibiity left and are openly being mocked by Russia and others in the international community.
Call it 9/11 blowback. Like virginity, credibility cannot be restored once lost.
Even the people that *still* believe the official story on 9/11 are having a hard time swallowing this whopper.
USSA is yet again suspected of creating another bogeyman for the purpose of legitimizing their endless military forays. Now they're having to come out and condemn anybody that attacks their creation? It's preposterous and absurd.
Even though public opinion really doesn't matter, I'm glad to see moar and moar people that don't believe a word of it.
Controlling the language is becoming harder for the talking heads on TV - both the reporters and the government shills are having trouble how to describe the various so that the public understands what they want us to understand. It really is hard to explain the inexplicable.
The one word they do not want to use is Jihadists, which lumps all these various insurgent groups under one banner. Russia, on the other hand, uses the word for that very purpose.
JIHAD! Al-Qaeda, Al Nusra, ISIS, Ahrar al-Sham, and the Mickey Mouse Club. All Jihadists - fair game under one banner as far as the Russian cleaning service is concerned. When I set out to exterminate vermin, I don't distinguish between rats and mice.
Only a Roman Catholic such as Kerry would be upset that sinners are being punished by someone else.
OK, that's actually a fair comment.
There is still some people who think that Kerry is a Roman Catholic?
( And who didn't managed to see that he is a J** just like all the others )
The other 98% and the lying media. Next question.
He worships the pope, the cheesepope!
Pray for me! - lol
Sorry you're an antiquated relic, like human sacrifice or royalty.
If Saint Malachy was right, my days are numbered.
If your days are numbered since then, it's been too long coming. Never underestimate the stupid gullibility of the masses.
If there's one thing I've learned during the past 5 years, it is that "the masses" are indeed gullible.
Kerry-Kohn. Mr. Ed is a pretend catholic who fooled all the Irish Catholic suckers in Massachusetts that he was JFK 2. After he left the Senate we find out he is a chosenite.
The use whatever religious front to cover their mass murders. Does not matter what they call themselves -- Jews, catholics, Baptists, Mormons -- it's just a pretense for them. I am surprised the priest, rabbi, ministers, whomever lets them thru the doors on Sunday.
You mean John Kohn? Catholic????? Isn't he a marrano?
Did Pootin kill all 4 or 5 of them.
I dont think we can call him PooTin any longer its now more like PooLead
It's even worse than that. When the fotos of the incident were simultaneously posted to Instagram, their puppies back home saw them & spontaneously had seizures.
Ha, they nailed some CIA spooks. BULLSEYE.
One of the airstrikes hit an area primarily held by rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency and allied spy services, U.S
Cry me a river. you terrorist supporters
Exactly, those Pure Evil Criminal Psychpoaths at the CIA deserve exactly what's coming to them & then some. Scum Fucks.
Are there any rebels anywhere that are not CIA backed?
My guess is some of them are also backed by other parts of the US intel and military secret agencies like the Defense Intelligence Agency and others that have their own paramilitaries. The USSA can never have enough secret agencies shredding The Constitution.
No successful ones anyway.
Sad to see that the only thing that the White House managed to bring against Russia in his airstrikes against the Islamic terrorist is this low level propaganda : " Putin is bombing the poor innocent and anti-Assad civilians! "
( As if the U.S Drones do not kill innocent citizens everyday overseas.... )
So now al Qaeda affiliates are moderate? You can't make this stuff up
Al Qeada are "moderate" and our friends according to that serial adulterer and Afghani boy lover General Petreaus - hero. The guy is such a scum bag. The Pentagram is filled with them.
Switch the "P" in Petreaus for a "B" and now say it out loud...
What's in a name...a lot, apparently !
Yep, straight from the top:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/31/petraeus-use-al-qaeda-f...
So now al Qaeda affiliates are moderate? You can't make this stuff up
The Obozo administration in a nutshell : Making the impossible possible!
Forward!
Ground offensive by russian/iranian/lebanese/iraqi/syrian coalition forces coming in Idlib coast region below turkey.
Bye bye IS supply.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Oct-01/317252-hezbolla...
Yes. This the key. Cut off the supply routes, I keep seeing messages that the Russians will be jamming all communication links for the See Eye Aye terrorists. Using satellites and other tools to find rat ISIS fucks who are using sat phones.
Going to get really fucking interesting when it is uncovered that all the supply routes to ISIS all point westward...
This is starting to resemble a jr. high cafeteria food fight that starts with one guy throwing buffalo balls (stewed prunes*) at another guy.
The next thing you know...
*Yup. Early 60's idea of what kids needed to eat.
Buffalo balls.
Fantastic impact effect when launched by a spoon.