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The Largest US Foreign Policy Blunder Since Vietnam Is Complete: Iran Readies Massive Syrian Ground Invasion
On Thursday, in “Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic”, we attempted to cut through all of the Western and Russian media propaganda on the way to describing what Moscow’s involvement in Syria actually portends for the global balance of power. Here are a few excerpts that summarize what’s taking shape in the Middle East:
Putin looks to have viewed this as the ultimate geopolitical win-win. That is, Russia gets to i) expand its influence in the Middle East in defiance of Washington and its allies, a move that also helps to protect Russian energy interests and preserves the Mediterranean port at Tartus, and ii) support its allies in Tehran and Damascus thus preserving the counterbalance to the US-Saudi-Qatar alliance.
Meanwhile, Iran gets to enjoy the support of the Russian military juggernaut on the way to protecting the delicate regional nexus that is the source of Tehran’s Mid-East influence. It is absolutely critical for Iran to keep Assad in power, as the loss of Syria to the West would effectively cut the supply line between Iran and Hezbollah.
It would be difficult to overstate the significance of what appears to be going on here. This is nothing short of a Middle Eastern coup, as Iran looks to displace Saudi Arabia as the regional power broker and as Russia looks to supplant the US as the superpower puppet master.
In short, the Pentagon’s contention that Russia and Iran have formed a Mid-East “nexus” isn’t akin to the Bush administration’s hollow, largely bogus attempt to demonize America’s foreign policy critics in the eyes of the public by identifying an “axis of evil.” Rather, the Pentagon’s assessment was an attempt to come to grips with a very real effort on the part of Moscow and Tehran to tip the scales in the Mid-East away from Riyadh and Washington.
Solidifying the Assad regime in Syria serves to shore up Hezbollah and presents Tehran with an opportunity to assert itself in the name of combatting terror. The latter point there is critical. The West has long contended that Iran is the world’s foremost state sponsor of terror, and the Pentagon has variously accused the Quds Force of orchestrating attacks on US soldiers in Iraq after cooperation between Washington and Tehran broke down in the wake of Bush’s “axis of evil” comment.
Indeed, Iran was accused of masterminding a plot to kill the Saudi ambassador at a Washington DC restaurant in 2011.
Now, the tables have turned. It is the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar who stand accused of sponsoring Sunni extremists and it is Iran, and specifically the Revolutionary Guard, that gets to play hero.
Of course this would be largely impossible without Moscow’s stamp of superpower approval. The optics around the P5+1 nuclear deal were making it difficult for Tehran to be too public in its efforts to bolster Assad. That doesn’t mean Tehran’s support for the regime in Syria hasn’t been well documented for years, it simply means that Iran needed to observe some semblance of caution, lest its role in Syria should end up torpedoing the nuclear negotiations. Now that Moscow is officially involved, that caution is no longer obligatory and Iran is now moving to support Russian airstrikes with an outright ground incursion (just as we’ve been saying for weeks). Here’s WSJ:
Iran is expanding its already sizable role in Syria’s multisided war in the wake of Russia’s airstrikes, despite the risk of antagonizing the U.S. and its Persian Gulf allies who want to push aside President Bashar al-Assad.
Politicians in the region close to Tehran as well as analysts who have been closely following its role in Syria say a decision has been made, in close coordination with the Russians and the Assad regime, to increase the number of fighters on the ground through Iran’s network of local and foreign proxies.
The support also could involve more Iranian commanders, military advisers and expert fighters usually assigned to these units, these people said.
Wiam Wahhab, a former Lebanese minister allied to Iran and Mr. Assad, stressed that Iran wouldn’t be dispatching troops in the conventional sense. Instead, they were likely to be officers and advisers from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, he said.
“I know there is a major battle upon us and everything needed for this battle will be made available,” said Mr. Wahhab, who has some members from his own political party fighting in Syria alongside the regime. “There is a plan to carry out offensive operations in more than one spot.”
Experts believe Iran has some 7,000 IRGC members and Iranian paramilitary volunteers operating in Syria already.
Separate from the regular army, the IRGC was founded in the aftermath of the 1979 revolution as an ideological “people’s army” reporting directly to the supreme leader, Iran’s top decision maker.
The more than 100,000-strong force controls a vast military, economic and security power structure in Iran and is in charge of proxies across the region. Its paramilitary organization, the Basij, was the lead force in the crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in 2009.
Since late 2012 Iran has played a lead role in organizing, training and funding local pro-regime militias in Syria, many of them members of Mr. Assad’s Alawite minority, a branch of Shiite Islam. Experts believe they number between 150,000 and 190,000—possibly more than what remains of Syria’s conventional army.
What’s more, some experts estimate 20,000 Shiite foreign fighters are on the ground, backed by both Shiite Iran and its main proxy in the region, the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah.
About 5,000 of them are new arrivals from Iraq in July and August alone, said Phillip Smyth, a researcher at the University of Maryland. He said this figure was compiled through his own contacts with some of these fighters, flight data between Baghdad and Damascus as well as social media postings. “It looks like it was timed out to coincide with the Russian move,” Mr. Smyth said.
Yes, it certainly does "look like" that, and it wasn't hard to see this coming. Here's another excerpt from our recent analysis:
Back in June, the commander of Iran’s Quds Force, Qasem Soleimaini, visited a town north of Latakia on the frontlines of Syria’s protracted civil war. Following that visit, he promised that Tehran and Damascus were set to unveil a new strategy that would “surprise the world.”
Just a little over a month later, Soleimani - in violation of a UN travel ban - visited Russia and held meetings with The Kremlin.
Make no mistake, this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam - and we don't think that's an exaggeration.
The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.
Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.
As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday:
If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.
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Obviously One of her majesty's subjects. Very hostile as they abandon America to embrace the new masters of the Universe. Worth saying twice.
Ready to lose another tooth Alfred?
"A blind mouse with two brain cells could see that the Iranians are making a move for hegemony in the region"
So? What's wrong with that?
You are only opposed to it because the zionist media tells you to be opposed to it. In my view an Iranian hegemony would confer a century or two of peace upon the region.
And....it should be none of our fucking business anyway.
How's about respecting the right of people to self determine
I am not pushing for American, Russian, Chinese, or any other hegemony btw
Live and let live
Words rarely spoken, especially in the mideast
"And for all you Israel haters, and I know ZH is overrun with you, THERE IS NO MORAL EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN ISRAEL'S NUCLEAR CAPABILITY AND IRAN'S, NONE."
Why? Because you and your fellow Puritans say so? Because your "Pastor" says so? Because "The Bible" says so? Only a stupid American Protestant would read the New Testament and find support for "Israel" there, when the rest of us can clearly see that every single line of it from the Gospel of Matthew to Revelation is about Christ dispensing with the old and replacing it with the new - himself. It takes a stupid American Protestant to think this gives America carte blanche to put the old back in place. You probably don't understand this but an American so-called Christian who is a supporter of so-called Israel is by definition therefore an enemy of Christ, and an opponent of every single thing the New Testament stands for.
Funny eh? Just goes to show the level of your collective IQ.
There's a huge world out there beyond Hicksville Mike. Why don't you go out to see it some time?
Crawl back in your big book of fiction g. Religion has nothing to do with what is going on aside from turning people into useful idiots (which it seems you are perfectly suited to be).
Oh let us take the amount of bombs and killings that the US has done to Countries over the last fifty years and equalize them to 2 bombs going off in the US. How big of boimbs would these have to be to be equal?
What troubles me the most is,
half of what you say is genius.
Anyone want to take bets on whether this was prearranged when Obomber and Valerie were discussing the so called treaty with Iran?
I do not think this is as simple as we are being led to believe. Cui Bono?
1. Bankers
2. Globalists
3. Elitists
4. Satan and his demonic hoard
Iranians haven't fogotten that the USA INTENTIONALLY shot down their Airbus airliner killed 300 civilians.
the coup of 53' ?
Iran hasn't forgotten the US backed Sadam in the Iran Iraq war that cost one million lives.
Are you implying that the US pilot who shot down that plane of 300 civilians, is not a war criminal, and deserves a full Government pension & healthcare package, and also deserves a "Support Our Troops" car sticker (that's Made in China)?
Is was a US Navy Aegis missile cruiser.
No cause then. They knew it was a passenger jet.
They even got a medal
Adm. George B. Crist, head of U.S. Central Command, issued a “non-punitive letter of censure” to the ship’s anti–air warfare officer, but Secretary of Defense Carlucci withdrew the letter. Not only that, but two years later, Capt. Rogers was issued the Legion of Merit “for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service” as the Vincennes’ commander “from April 1987 to May 1989.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2014/07/the_...
I thought everyone here wanted the US to stay out of the ME's affairs? What vital interests does the US have in Syria? Why should the average American give a shit if the Russians and Iran wipe out ISIS? Why should they care if a natural gas pipeline isn't built through Syria to Europe? For those saying this is bringing America to its knees - how exactly? For a more isolationist like myself, this is all very welcome news
Wrong questions Trader,
This is about the failed foreign policy of the fuktards in D.C. The same fuktards that run your cuntry. The same fuktards that send young Americans to die in a shieze hole while they slurp champagne and fuck each other's wives. And the same fuktards that will take a former great cuntry down with them.
The average fucking American could not even find Syria on a map. Yes, they do not care either.
Isolationists stick their heads in a shieze hole and hope no one sees them.
Your welcome news will get your ass shot off.
The Source.
Americans should care about ISIS because they are paying for it! Looks like they aren't getting much for their hard earned tax money (and future debt obligations).
Of course, the shitty little country is doing fine with ISIS.
And the winner is... IRAN!!! They have Iraq acquiesce to there geopolitical needs without firing a shot at the expense of American treasury and blood. No reason to get upset at Iran, its our own 'leadership' and the Anglo-Zionist lobbies who they work for that have committed the folly in Iraq and treason against us at home. As far as Russia and Iran cleaning ISIS scum from the face of the Earth, I wish them all the best of luck. Russia and Iran will look like hero's to the world after the war, while the US and the House of Saud will look like the sponsors of terrorists which they are.
Just when it seems like it can't get fucked up anymore it does.
Arrest war criminals JohnMcCain and Obummer.
This is already going viral on Twitter
#ARRESTMcCAIN4ISIS
Here is the reason to why the US will now lose everything they have worked for:
1. The morale of US/Saudis backed terrorists is backed nothing but money. If need be they probably switch sides if they got more pay from someone else. True mercs that kill for the highest bidder.
2. Loyalists of Iran/Russia/Syria/Hezbollah hate the Western guts and would never sell their soul for money. They are loyal to their leaders and would die for them. After these 14 years of West bullying the East, regular soldiers who used to fight for the West are also questioning Wests forrign policies.
Why would the Russian alliance bother to pay these guys? What happens when the fighting is over and the pay envelopes stop being disbursed? No, it is better to just kill them all and be done with it.
As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down
VOLUNTEERS?!!!
P.S.
BYOM (bring your own meds)
cause just like the under equipped armored vehicles the U.S. was using in Iraq 12 years ago you go to war with the Army you have and not the one you want brotha!
Don't worry. Most guys start using H eventually
Bush41 started the ME clusterfuck - our reward was 9/11
I guess the 70's Iranian hostage situation during the Carter years you were still shitting in your diaper and drooling all over yourself. It goes way back. All I'm saying is Democrats, especially Liberal Democrats are pussies and lack leadership, IE failures , read a book one and a while.
Both Repubs and Demoncrats are pure SCUM. Both fucking warmongering trash and bullies. They are AMERICUNTS
A puppeteer doesn't allow anything in the room that he can't put his hand in.
Get an older book Bill. "Orance" of Arabia wrote one that was highly acclaimed. It will enlighten you about the seeds being planted in the undoings of the Ottoman Empire (WWI). This goes back much further than Carter.
And for the record, it was Republicans who were going to give us the Federal Reserve until bankers decided the population would only go for the plan if it came from Democrats. Red and blue play for the same team and they don't care about you.
our reward was 9/11... And still no criminal prosecutions and tribunals for war crimes that followed...
Yes indeed!
"Russia, China and Iran are now more closely allied against the US. Can anyone think this marks any kind of success of American foreign policy, other than in the dark recesses of Democrat spin rooms?"
This is a neo-con project that straddles both Republican & Democrat administrations since the fall of the Soviet Union. Instead of treating Russia fairly the neo-cons tried to plunder and weaken Russia further. They're own stupidity combined with the rise of a former KGB agent who is a Russian nationalist first and foremost is what led us to the situation we have today.
Well in a way US foreign policy has been a great success. If Debka is to be believed China is sending an aircraft carrier all the way to the ME. Now when was the last time China ever projected power that far outside their territory. They managed to drag even China out of its shell and you think this is not a great feat?
Why would anyone believe DEBKA?
You have Neo Cons and Neo Libs like Schumer, Feinstein and others. They are just a little quieter in their war mongering. Both sides are awful.
Putin is not just a nationalist. He is essentially telling countries to stop overthrowing countries with mass murder, proxy armies, sanctions and leave people alone. He is doing what the joke UN was supposed to do. This crap is genocide.
Up until 2014 it was the Bernanke put. Since then it's been the Putin put. Which sounds a bit weird now that I read it but it does have a certain cadence to it.
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-will-arm-lebanon-against-isis/ri10154
Obama gives Iran .... Uranium .... via Argentina .... explain that, Dutch Boy ?
They asked the Argentinias for it, nothing else.
Are you fucking a sheep on your avatar, just asking.
Thats good, who cares? Hopefully Iran has a bomb soon seeing as the ZioNazis have plenty and its Israel that is commiting genocide and theft, NOT IRAN.
Thats your lesson for the day you goddam MORON
China doesn't like Muslims .... nor Putin .... Obama is their secret friend ?
Its the fuktard back. along with ''message''. You got the first part right but not the second
You are an idiot.
Who cares what US/Israhel/UK/Saudi think - they are the axis of evil now
Sad but true.
USA going down the drain fast... as if EU is going against Russia and China... they will join them.
In the future Russia and China will donate rice for Americans to eat..
No they won't. If America were to go down the drain, the line of people ready and willing to stomp us into the dustbin of history would stretch further than those that might wish to offer us aid.
We are not perfect, not one country ever has been or will be, but we have spent more of our wealth, given more of out time and expertise to help others than ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Not to mention the very freedom and technology that allows our enemies around the world to feel secure enough to speak of bringing violence to our people without threat of retribution was bought and paid for by the blood of American patriots.
We did, but then the Rothschilds bankrupted us for daring to exist outside the influence of thier banking empire.
They created wars, forcing us to participate. Knowing it would force us into debt. They maneuvered thier clansmen into positions of power. Then they bought the presidency.
From then on our benevolence was really nothing more than expanding their empire. Bringing the concepts of usury and markets to areas of the globe that existed without them for thousands of years.
Look what they did to the USA. Look what they did to China. They infect every host with the virus of debt and destroy you if you attempt to break away.
What you spew is pure bullshit. America is not even number one in foreign aid per capita
Try blowing your ''exceptionalism''' bullshit up someone elses ass you goddam retard.
Lay off the Coffee, Alfred. Your arguments are strong enough without all the caffienated rage.
Are you the same Alfred Neumann on one of the III percenter blogs?
You're totally wrong there Mike. If you check the details you'll find that most American aid has been of the military variety and was tied to strategic allies. The aid provided by USAID for example is rigidly confined to US-sourced materiel. In terms of countries youll find that Egypt and - mainly - Israel have been the main beneficiaries. In terms of disinterested foreign aid America on a per capita basis is way way way down the list.
Where do you get your information? "...Way way way down on the list." What list? I googled for a decent list of humanitarian orgs but no success. I can't believe there is anyone out there doing more than us. Show me the #s and I will read.
USAID, as a FedGov entity is quite naturally fraught with all the brittle frailties of any gov't program. I agree that most aid has been strings-attached military BUT we damn sure have given aid at every natural disaster, every disease and epidemic, every flood, earthquake and hurricane. Add up your Red Cross aid and every other kind of humanitarian aid for decades and we have done more than anyone else, ever. Since the world has gotten richer en masse via the freedoms fought and paid for by US, from the founding to keeping shipping lanes and other trade routes secure and ruled by law, etc., we have expended too much on the policing side and diminished our humanitarian giving. We can no longer afford to live like this so the order we had molded will by necessity change into something else entirely. I posit that the new world order will not be nearly as amenable as some here (on ZH and worldwide) seem to think.
LOL! God bless your innocence. Have you ever set foot outside Hicksville?
Are you ever likely to come to terms with your arrogance in stereotyping an Atlantan as a hick? What makes you so much more sophisticated and insightful than your southern dwelling fellow Americans, the fact that you all have to agree with whatever populist anti-establishment rhetoric is allowed at the moment?
I have in fact set foot outside of Hicksville but I got back to Reality as quick as I could, thanks.
What makes me more sophisticated "than my fellow Americans" is that I am Irish and have never set foot in that God-forsaken WASP hell-hole of yours. Good luck cheering for Israel. Jesus Christ himself said their nation would be destroyed for their crimes and the destruction of their nation by the Romans 40 years later fulfilled his words to the letter. Meanwhile here you are with your fellow American Protestant morons doing everything in your power to bring them back and still telling anyone bored enough to listen that in doing this you are just doing your "Christian" duty.
You can't even read your precious "Bible" properly you poor deluded fuckers.
But you, of course, on your pristine Emerald Isle, completely understand the pinnacle of Enlightenment, straight from God's Word, leaving us poor WASPs stuck on Old Testament Stupid. I get it. Thanks for giving me the inspiration that I, too, may learn how to use base and vulgar language to disparage my inferiors once I have attained your level of Enlightenment.
You're welcome.
You truly belong in your CUNTRY thinking like that
I am not sure they can. You see the entire spectrum of the European political establishment is a US puppet theater from top to bottom. If you take into account that the EU is also largely a US project, you see that it is impossible for the EU and the present day political scene in Europe to survive a US downfall. And no fucking way the Russians and Chinese will tolerate the ridiculous bureaucrats (also US approved) running the EU. The whole thing will have to go, the same way the Warsaw Pact regimes went after the fall of the USSR.
Hey John McCain and Lindsey Graham hows it going for you?You fucking traitors.
#ARRESTMcCAIN4ISIS
I hear they've grabbed their rifles and are heading to Syria right now.
I hope the Iranians don't stop at the western Syrian border. May they push all the way to Gaza and the Negev!
This says a lot.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Oct-03/317550-russian-...
Sorry, but I didn't see anything it said at all! (Maybe my noscript is acting up?)
Everything that happened in the 20th century up until now was done for one reason.
To expel the Goyim from Zion and gain control of all things.
It has been going on for thousands of years, but the end game is playing out.
The goal is to take a piece of all parts of global commerce and enrich the Zionists beyond measure. They all want wealth without labor and have lavished upon themselves the greatest transfer of wealth in thousands of years. The UN's goal of a global economic system is really a goal of global taxation on every level of commerce from extraction of material, to sale on a shelf. All proceeds will flow directly to Zion so every desire of thiers can be met.
There are only a few regimes that stand in the way of total global domination. Russia is one of them.
The only thing that ends this is to cut the head off the beast. Israel must be turned to a sea of glass and every Rothschild from Baron to baby must be burned. It should be the goal of all subjugated people. Only their deaths will set us free.
This is very true.
The zionists must die so that we may live.
It really IS that simple folks.
....because, they would have the reverse in store for you and me.
Of course they NEED us to be their heavily taxed serfs. Is it any wonder we're seeing a return to feudalism?
I must say I agree 100%.
To ADR @ 11:32
This^^^ is as screwed up a conspiracy theory as can possibly exist.
"Everything that happened in the 20th century...was done for one reason?" Please! It is the height of hubris to assign that much credit to the continuing string of powers-that-be as if they weren't forced to react to events - not merely create them and drive them down their preferred path - just as the politicians and their handlers and financiers do today. Grand-Unified Conspiracies don't exist except in the minds of people that hate. I see you are fond of both.
I will not take the time to rebut the body of your comment, but I cannot let your conclusion stand without expressing my complete incredulity that you actually believe wiping out Israel will "set us free". By what possible mechanism might that work? Would we all wake up Day One after the glassification and be happy, relieved and better people?
You, and I cannot call you sir, are a complete and utter fool. May you see the light before you die.
"Would we all wake up Day One after the glassification [of the Israelis] and be happy, relieved and better people?"
With a certainty: Yes.
Queue the Buybull fairytale bullshit
Guys like you are legends in your own puny minds.
I never figured out why Christians, evangelicals in particular, were so gung-ho in their support for Israhell and all things jewish.
The Old Testament is simply a chronicle of warlords (who happened to call themselves kings) who went on genocidal rampages against neighboring tribes and stole ample amounts of wealth, livestock, land and even 8 year old girls in the process. Yes, they used "God" to justify all the rape, pillage and slaughter. This gave the peasants who followed the warlords (Mosus, David, etc.) the impetus to ignore the natural human revulsions toward these activities.
Bear in mind I have no problem with Christianity IF it were actually practiced by Christians (which in 99% of cases it is not).
But everyone needs to fucking understand this: The New Testament is a complete REJECTION of the old testament; the ways of the Phraisees and Saducces.
The NT is a rejection of a debt-based monetary system and usury. It is a rejection of the perpetual warlordism of Israel & Judah, and all the propaganda and peasant extortion that is needed to sustain those wars and genocides.
So again I ask: if you are a Christian how the fucking fuck can you support Israel?
The idiot Scofield started it with his version of the Bible, and the Zionists glommed onto it as a useful opportunity and have nurtured the concept ever since, with the B'Nai Brith, AIPAC, and other organizations. They spend alot of money to make sure the Evangelicals stay on the reservation.
In return, the Evangelicals also get to see themselves as "exceptional" and "chosen by God", in second place to the Jews of course, who are the most exceptional!
Think of the hunchback in the movie "300" who betrayed the Spartans to Xerxes, but in return was allowed to wear a cool Persian hat as if he was a Persian. That is the perfect representation of Christian Evangelicals who have given the Zionists carte blanche to kill Gaza children, carry out 9/11 and create chaos amongst their neighbours...
Russian general reveals truth about 9 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OncBdtnPMU
Mike in GA
Holy shit your stupid. wow. just wow
Agreed.
Ten years ago I'd have said you were a lunatic. Now? I think your analysis is probably correct.
Zieg Heil Baby!
Tet offensive in the re-making in a pincer out of Tartus?
Soleimani and Nguyen Giap...same strategy of guerilla warfare.
When the Iran connection provides the back bone to fight Imperial aggression.
History repeats and the American Elites look on with their hubristic blinders on their eyes.
Can a WS spike resist the Iranian cum Russian hi-jack of the Syrac space and its deliberate push to eliminate Al-Qaeda and ISIS of Raqa infamy ?
There will be financial blood in the markets as a result. HOW BIG ?
Tipping times if this offensive is launched as it means Saud's very existence, like that of Saigon's South Vietnam, is possible collateral damage further down the road, for a Sunni region moving towards a new political balance.
Towards more Secularism? Or the Contrary?
The neo-cons talk of a hundred year war scenario accross the Muslim swath over three continents (Asia/Europe/Africa).That's the buzz amongst the western militarists.
Do they have the resources to maintain such a game of imperial purpose with allies of this nature ?
Tet was the Norths idea of a way to consolidate the war. remember they went to the peace talks and argued over who sat where for a year. after Tet the VC were gone and the North ran the war. but historically the connections to international communism never materialized, the Russians had no long term interest and Vietnam fought a war with China. Vietnam remains to this day its own country. the plan here is to make Syria into Lebanon, a less than sovereign entity which Israel can enter as it pleases without UN interference, and the chaos enusing would seem to support that outcome.
Read Iran as the North and Saud as the south; only this time US involvement is more air and less boots on ground. Whence the mercenaries...
But in strategic terms Nam was a proxy war between USA and the Soviet/Mao axis. Nam in itself was just a weak link around Mao's CHina and the US was bent on "containment" of the southern flank of deep Asia.
Now in those terms its a fight between US/EU/JAPan and the newly formed Putin/Iran-Iraq/China axis; with India looking on; which has as ideological aim the debasement of fundamentalist Salafism that is universally despised (except by the ME petromonarchies and their paid surrogates) and as economic aim the destruction of petrodollar hegemony via control of ME Oil.
Both fit Putin's strategy, as fundamentalist Islam is a problem for Russia too, as for China and India!
In that respect the consequences here are much bigger for geopolitical equlibrium than in Nam.
It could change the Energy balance, the monetary balance and the East West geopolitical balance. Not that Putin is a Soviet style hegemonist. But he does want a multipolar world and his own sway in deep Asia thanks to Gazprom.
The US has a lot to lose here as unquestioned hegemon since 1991 and is stymied by its own hubris just as in Nam.
Soleimani, is an unknown but Giap was already known as he had Dien Bien Phu'ed France, when the US challenged him !
Lets see if Soleimani is as efficient as Giap was. He seems to have the support of Russian air power, which Giap never had when faced with the Strategic Air command!
Ah Yes General Giap. The baddest General the world has ever known. Whipped almost every major world military Power in existence in successive order France-he kicked their ass, the US- kicked our ass, and China thought thy wanted some-Kicked their ass back to China too. And,went over into Cambodia and Kicked the shit out of the Kymer Rouge for good measure. With nothing more than some old worn out soviet hardware and guerilla troops.
get ya sum! Respect
Eat your Heart out Patton and Mcarther you are mere babes.
There are some real RETARDS in the USA govt and its peoples
Syria is a sovereign nation, It has had agreements with Russia for years .
Same with Iran and Syria and Iraq is now friends with Iran (thanks to you gettiing rid of Saddam).
So everything Russia is doing is LEGAL as per international law
What the USA has been doing or decades is ILLEGAL according to INTERNATIONAL LAW.
These developments are certainly bad for neocons and Netanyahu but, in the long run, they may turn out fine for everyone else, including Israel. Putin wants stability and will likely keep the Iranians in the far north and west of Syria away from Israel. Hezbollah should also be kept away from the borders of Israel. Once ISIS is cleaned out there, the regular Syrian army can eject the 'rebels' (many foreign mercenaries) from southern Syria, including the Golan.
With Syria stabilized under Assad - a highly intelligent man - we could even get a resolution on the Golan. Israel's needs in the Golan are water and security. If Assad would be willing to 'sell' the part of the Golan that surrounds the Sea of Gallilee and Israel were willing to have international peacekeepers stationed in the Heights for a few decades, then Syria and Israel could patch up the dispute and even have diplomatic relations. But Netanyahu will have to go.
If that is ever to become a solution the entire Zionist plan will have to go. Including the Saudis. As the powerstructure and power itself shifts hands so will the dominance in the financial markets...like the dollar. I cannot possibly see how the psychos of the West will ever agree to that.
If the 'Zionist plan' is expand Israel to the Euphrates, it may have to be put off for a century or two. The Saudis won't like it but they are going down the tube, regardless.
"If Assad would be willing to 'sell' the part of the Golan that surrounds the Sea of Gallilee"
So Assad should sell out to the Zionists? Hell no.
"Israel were willing to have international peacekeepers stationed in the Heights for a few decades"
There have been UN peacekeepers there for decades. Israel doesn't give a flying fuck about peacekeepers.
"Netanyahu will have to go".
Sorry buddy, Israel is now so far down the wormhole that Netanyahu is effectively a moderate.
What has to go for stability in the region is the legion of Israel Firsters that have infiltrated the top levels of government / intelligence / military / finance in every western government.
Oh wow! A coup! Pootie is going to take over the world!
hahaha ... riiiiiiigghht!
Nope. He wouldn't want that. "Pootie" is looking out for the best interests of RUSSIA.
And if he happens to expose the Western charade in the process....well more power to him.
Maybe he can just take over some of it, just a little nibble, he's already made a start elsewhere, and you know he wants to. The Soviets went all in for global revolution and the commie infiltration gig, so let's not pretend here. ;-)
Only fucking retards use the word ''Pootie''.
Putin is fighting for Russia's interests against USA funded and trained terrorists.
Here is something to consider., Your goddam crumbling archaic shithole of FAT ASS imbeciles and retards like yourself is 10,000 miles from Syria and you have NO goddam business there. Period.
Meanwhile Russia is being threatened by you mothefuckers and NATO.
It's my word and I'm going to keep using it, bitch. If pootie feels a draught up his clacker that makes him pucker and worry I'm OK with it. :D
That is not a word, it is affirmed retardation, ass wipe.
Oh, is comrade pootie upset? didums
Russian general reveals truth about 9 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OncBdtnPMU
Good to see you always fight 'em AN, but these fucken ignorant lame assed trolls who come in here cannot win in Fight club.
They have no respect and no humanity, sitting in there caves.
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Nah ... you wouldn't be just another Russian troll.
Russian general reveals truth about 9 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OncBdtnPMU
Actually child, I have been reading it for a long time, and only recently decided to get into fight club, I would like to see things from your point of view, but I cannot get my head so far up my ass.
you mean can't get your head OUT of your ass, you meant, right? I get it. You guys really are on a trip. Reality exists independent of and in spite of your fact-free opinions.
And what opinions did you just bring to the table ? You speak from the lower depths, Iran and Syria will crush all foot soldiers of the USSA, they are already creating fake stories for your people as CIA agents are being fried in Syria, You all swallow Obummers cum when it comes to news, never reality, that is why you will loose this war, in all .....as you say "theaters", idiot !
Yes, we heard that before here on fightclub. Like you have been following ZH since 2005? Yes, we actually had somebody here saying that.
I will bet you that I bring more to the table in one month, than you will in your entire lifetime. you just some lame assed troll.
I have always appreciated Element's comments although I don't always agree with him. With your comments compared to his so far you have the cards stacked against you. You'd better come up with something substantial in order to back up your claim.
I do not see him arguing, and as for you, fuck off.
haha ... another genius signs up to save the world of pseudo-punditry and puerile troll banter, from itself ... 2005 huh? ... that's kewl ... ... you'll really know your stuff then, and not just be another dumbshit wooley recruit for the zheep pen.
You're one of those people that think that by adding foul language to their argumentation they strengthen it. Well, you don't. You actually show you are a weak reasoner. We've seen it all here. Go ahead, amuse us.
Taking over the world has been a US Neocon project. All Putin has to do is wait for the US to overextend itself and then just help accelerate and shape its collapse. Like that guy who said "Heute europa Morgen die Welt", remember what the Russians did to him?
Lets see.
Saudi Arabia where women aren't allowed to drive
Where women have to be dressed in head to toe black
Where they behead people on a daily basis for even the smallest of infractions.
Vs
Iran
Where women dress in modern clothing and drive cars.
Where they actually run businesses and tell the men what to do.
Where Jews are in Iranian Parliament and over 25 synagogues in Tehran .
So who does the USA cozy up to??
Nobody wants women telling men what to do.
Nervous laughter by Element
Beads of perspiration on forehead increasing in size.
blood preasure 218 over 107
A mild case of pootyitis
how did you know!! ... you russian troll bastards have my Webcam IP!!! ... lol
The neo-con morons in power wouldn't listen to Ron Paul so now you have the U.S. in an economic jam with budgets out of control and set to hit $20 trillion.The Amercian politicians sold out the manufacturing base of the country to China in order to have their budget deficits financed by communists,so they could continue being the global cop.Continuation of war served the right-wingers running the military-industrial complex such as John McCain.By the way most sub-contractors and government itself lacked any type of sophisticated computer security so China and others have all the best industrial and military secrets and technology going forward.The entire set of U.S. foreign policy choices since Jimmy Carter left office ruined the country.Wherever you go,like Donald Trump says,the U.S. more and more is beginning to look like a third world country.Jailing and imprisonment of millions of people even if you don't pay your income tax.
Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson & James K. Polk were our best presidents.
Everything that has followed has been one long slow decline stymied only by the intervening industrial revolution.
But we no longer even have that. And so here we are.
McKinley might have been another good one but I do not know too much about him. He was in favor of bimetalism which meant making gold and silver money. And anything or anyone who threatens the banksters gets killed. Every president who gets it are ones who were viewed as a threat to central banking.
How many times did they try to kill Andrew Jackson?
Not enough fingers and toes to plug the levees and dykes, and I'm not talking about Obunghole or Moochelle.
Here comes to flood.
“one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.”
A possibility that the opponents of the Western Bloc are well aware of.
Personally, I will not fight for the Fourth Reich and at the rate they are alienating citizens I doubt that many others will either.
For example: "Homeland Security Detains Stockton Mayor, Forces Him To Hand Over His Passwords"
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151002/15583732429/homeland-security...
It's not Obama's fault because he's black and too stupid to know he's just a puppet....
Now Bush on the other hand....Well....If it happened on HIS watch........
Funny how the socialist jew media's spin pervades the comment section here.
Obama wants to know if it's too late to blame Bush.
The "New American Century" document, that I read years ago, is imploding.
The heads of all its authors and political stooges should implode with it.
Send them to Syria now, Nuland can bring the coookies.
Russian general reveals truth about 9 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OncBdtnPMU
It's about time someone pushed back on the destabilization of the middle east. It's been going on for far too long. We all know Iran is next on the next on the list for a good "democratizing" campign. These developments will make it harder to meet those ends, and that's a good thing.
I suppose the FED will bail out ISIS now that they are low on cash.... and how are the US UK going to supply ISIS with weapons now ?
Very easily, first you send lots of shiny new weapons, tank busters, shoulder launched SAM, Humvees, to Iraq where they store them in a warehouse in Ramadi, then you send a bunch of black flags with white writing on them to ISIS and then you tell them to invade Iraq and get their shiny new toys - now where have I seen that before.
or they can spend millions of dollars arming "moderate" rebels, who can then go join ISIS or go for a drive and hand over half their weapons to them instead.
or they can spend millions of dollars arming "moderate" rebels, who can then go join ISIS or go for a drive and hand over half their weapons to them instead.
ZH is turning into DEBKA file East.
At some point, the world will take revenge, for all America has done to them, and it won't be pretty.
I have hope.
I believe most folks around the world prefer leaving everybody all alone in freedom. I believe the majority of Americans unentangled by the deep state are will continue to be great people. Hollywood does not have to be bad.
What is at stake here is whether the Persians (Shia) can win the hearts and minds of the common man in Cairo - the cultural headquarters of the Arab world.
Nearly every Arab (literate or not) sees the stone cold hypocrisy among generals and princes across MENA.
You are either on the US payroll, or getting their protection, or you have nothing.
Meanwhile everyone is waiting for the price of rice to spark more riots.
Remember the whole Arab Spring - especially in Egypt.
What happened? The US and Britain moved heaven and earth to re-install the military dictatorship after "elections" did not work out so well.
So much for listening to the people.
And the same goes for the Saudis, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, etc.
Places like Libya, Iraq and Syria became fables of Arab independence, yet how have they fallen in the public minds.
If Iran can be seen saving Assad and Arab dignity from the imperial clutches of "the West" while neglecting some wider Sunni-Shia conflict then you can really start worrying.
If Iran can win the hearts and minds of Cario-plebs and keep another proud Arab from becoming another stooge of US/UK/Israel then those Persian fighters on the ground post ISIS will not be returning to their barracks in the western frontier.
Russia provides air cover. China provides infrastructure.
Iran provides boots on the ground. (remember those?)
In 6 months you could have Quds advisers scanning the horizon in Golan with a lot of non-Alawite Arabs saying 'that's a good thing.'
Obama.
There aren't even words.
Just a little remark: Iranians are not Arabs. But I don't see it as an obstacle.
And if someone has to stop the insanity, clean up the mess and bring calmness to the ME, it must be the people and nations who live there and who share the same dominant religion and culture. With outside help, yes, but it's them who must carry out the hard work and decide their own future.
It is now legal to manufacture lies by the government to the public
http://debateneutral.com/now-legal-manufacture-lies-government-public/
NDAA Allows US Government to Use Propaganda Against Americans
http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/06/ndaa-allows-us-government-to-use-propaganda-against-americans-2449318.html
How the US Propaganda System Works
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/09/how-the-us-propaganda-system-works/
US Propaganda: How Corporate America Manipulates the American Public Into Unwitting Support for Corporate Fascism
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-propaganda-how-corporate-america-manipulates-the-american-public-into-unwitting-support-for-corporate-fascism/5408445
The Worst Cases Of Government Propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVqqfJgGh4
Government Propaganda Then & Now
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/12/06/government-propaganda-then-now/
Government propaganda and the enslavement of humanity
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/government-propaganda-enslavement-humanity/ .
Russian general reveals truth about 9 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OncBdtnPMU
well it seems more than likely that we will be giving money and weapons to ISIS to fight the Russians if youre a progressive democrat you have to be pissing your pants, there is no candidate on the stage yet, and the republicans can debate obama on this, and he looks worse than feckless. this almost guarantees Trump or whoever they decide. which means a socially conservative agenda, planned parenthood, gay marriage, maybe even obamacare are all on the table, because they own the house too. i imagine the UN will be in Syria and there will be sectors walled off, a real nightmare. Turkey is lose lose, on one side is ISIS and the other is Russia, they may end up leaving NATO rather then face a similar war because ISIS wont be defeated if we fund them and the fighters find sanctuary in Turkey.
well it seems more than likely that we will be giving money and weapons to ISIS to fight the Russians if youre a progressive democrat you have to be pissing your pants, there is no candidate on the stage yet, and the republicans can debate obama on this, and he looks worse than feckless.
Your comment is like discussing a strategy for the Washington Generals in their contest with the Harlem Globetrotters. They're working for the same guy! The contest is fake!
Gotta love the way the Judo and Chess Master Putin flipped it all back on the West.
USA says ISIS is a big threat to the world.
Russia agrees and decides to do something abouti it.
Like arming Lebanon and Hezbollah to fight ISIS
Arming Iraq to fight ISIS.
Good job Vlad.
I don't understand why the USA would be against that.
Perhaps because the U.S. armed ISIS?
Perhaps because the U.S. armed ISIS?
The CIA and Mossad "created" ISIS!
The US long strategy has always been monopoly of energy assets in the ME. By exploiting the centuries old Sunni Shia divide through the invasion of Iraq and then turning the govt over to Shia, the US has purposely kicked the hornets nest to increase instability and weaken regional regimes. By sponsoring ISIS, the US now has another death squad at its disposal to do its dirty work on the ground. The US uses ISIS to increase turmoil which either 1) drives regional leaders to call upon the US for military help (the price for which is greater US control over the production and flow of oil), or 2) creates absolute chaos and a power vacuum into which the US swoops in with a puppet leader oor US military occupation (all for the puposes of taking the oil fields of course).
ISIS is critical to US strategy in the ME. It's not about culture, morals, values, democracy, dictatorship or any of that bullshit spoon fed to us in school or by the media.
Here comes the payback for Saudi Arabia's crashing the oil market.
The headline of this item, which speaks of a "massive" invasion by Iran, is inconsistent with the content which speaks only about specialized advisors and trainers. Lets dispense with the hyperbole and stick with the facts as known. A peaceful settlement of this conflict will depend on Washington's ability and willingness to restrain Israel and its ally Saudi Arabia from contesting the moves by Russia and Iran.
Daesh does not have a massive army, so Iran does not need a massive infantry invasion. Injection of their version of Rangers should do the trick. The MSM may try to trick you into t hinking there is a giant invasion, but I doubt Iran needs even a full division to wipe out Daesh.
At any rate, in another week, Daesh will have all their stuffs blown up courtesy of the Red Air Force.
Soon they may be holding 'will work for food' signs on the highway.
No blunder here. Just the early stages of WWIII which began in 2003. The war is the run up to push to the giant debt "reset" button. All wars are bankster's wars.
As the World Turns..... Burns
or pot calls kettle "black" -
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/middleeast/syria-russia-airstrik...
Assclown.