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The Largest US Foreign Policy Blunder Since Vietnam Is Complete: Iran Readies Massive Syrian Ground Invasion
On Thursday, in “Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic”, we attempted to cut through all of the Western and Russian media propaganda on the way to describing what Moscow’s involvement in Syria actually portends for the global balance of power. Here are a few excerpts that summarize what’s taking shape in the Middle East:
Putin looks to have viewed this as the ultimate geopolitical win-win. That is, Russia gets to i) expand its influence in the Middle East in defiance of Washington and its allies, a move that also helps to protect Russian energy interests and preserves the Mediterranean port at Tartus, and ii) support its allies in Tehran and Damascus thus preserving the counterbalance to the US-Saudi-Qatar alliance.
Meanwhile, Iran gets to enjoy the support of the Russian military juggernaut on the way to protecting the delicate regional nexus that is the source of Tehran’s Mid-East influence. It is absolutely critical for Iran to keep Assad in power, as the loss of Syria to the West would effectively cut the supply line between Iran and Hezbollah.
It would be difficult to overstate the significance of what appears to be going on here. This is nothing short of a Middle Eastern coup, as Iran looks to displace Saudi Arabia as the regional power broker and as Russia looks to supplant the US as the superpower puppet master.
In short, the Pentagon’s contention that Russia and Iran have formed a Mid-East “nexus” isn’t akin to the Bush administration’s hollow, largely bogus attempt to demonize America’s foreign policy critics in the eyes of the public by identifying an “axis of evil.” Rather, the Pentagon’s assessment was an attempt to come to grips with a very real effort on the part of Moscow and Tehran to tip the scales in the Mid-East away from Riyadh and Washington.
Solidifying the Assad regime in Syria serves to shore up Hezbollah and presents Tehran with an opportunity to assert itself in the name of combatting terror. The latter point there is critical. The West has long contended that Iran is the world’s foremost state sponsor of terror, and the Pentagon has variously accused the Quds Force of orchestrating attacks on US soldiers in Iraq after cooperation between Washington and Tehran broke down in the wake of Bush’s “axis of evil” comment.
Indeed, Iran was accused of masterminding a plot to kill the Saudi ambassador at a Washington DC restaurant in 2011.
Now, the tables have turned. It is the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar who stand accused of sponsoring Sunni extremists and it is Iran, and specifically the Revolutionary Guard, that gets to play hero.
Of course this would be largely impossible without Moscow’s stamp of superpower approval. The optics around the P5+1 nuclear deal were making it difficult for Tehran to be too public in its efforts to bolster Assad. That doesn’t mean Tehran’s support for the regime in Syria hasn’t been well documented for years, it simply means that Iran needed to observe some semblance of caution, lest its role in Syria should end up torpedoing the nuclear negotiations. Now that Moscow is officially involved, that caution is no longer obligatory and Iran is now moving to support Russian airstrikes with an outright ground incursion (just as we’ve been saying for weeks). Here’s WSJ:
Iran is expanding its already sizable role in Syria’s multisided war in the wake of Russia’s airstrikes, despite the risk of antagonizing the U.S. and its Persian Gulf allies who want to push aside President Bashar al-Assad.
Politicians in the region close to Tehran as well as analysts who have been closely following its role in Syria say a decision has been made, in close coordination with the Russians and the Assad regime, to increase the number of fighters on the ground through Iran’s network of local and foreign proxies.
The support also could involve more Iranian commanders, military advisers and expert fighters usually assigned to these units, these people said.
Wiam Wahhab, a former Lebanese minister allied to Iran and Mr. Assad, stressed that Iran wouldn’t be dispatching troops in the conventional sense. Instead, they were likely to be officers and advisers from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, he said.
“I know there is a major battle upon us and everything needed for this battle will be made available,” said Mr. Wahhab, who has some members from his own political party fighting in Syria alongside the regime. “There is a plan to carry out offensive operations in more than one spot.”
Experts believe Iran has some 7,000 IRGC members and Iranian paramilitary volunteers operating in Syria already.
Separate from the regular army, the IRGC was founded in the aftermath of the 1979 revolution as an ideological “people’s army” reporting directly to the supreme leader, Iran’s top decision maker.
The more than 100,000-strong force controls a vast military, economic and security power structure in Iran and is in charge of proxies across the region. Its paramilitary organization, the Basij, was the lead force in the crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in 2009.
Since late 2012 Iran has played a lead role in organizing, training and funding local pro-regime militias in Syria, many of them members of Mr. Assad’s Alawite minority, a branch of Shiite Islam. Experts believe they number between 150,000 and 190,000—possibly more than what remains of Syria’s conventional army.
What’s more, some experts estimate 20,000 Shiite foreign fighters are on the ground, backed by both Shiite Iran and its main proxy in the region, the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah.
About 5,000 of them are new arrivals from Iraq in July and August alone, said Phillip Smyth, a researcher at the University of Maryland. He said this figure was compiled through his own contacts with some of these fighters, flight data between Baghdad and Damascus as well as social media postings. “It looks like it was timed out to coincide with the Russian move,” Mr. Smyth said.
Yes, it certainly does "look like" that, and it wasn't hard to see this coming. Here's another excerpt from our recent analysis:
Back in June, the commander of Iran’s Quds Force, Qasem Soleimaini, visited a town north of Latakia on the frontlines of Syria’s protracted civil war. Following that visit, he promised that Tehran and Damascus were set to unveil a new strategy that would “surprise the world.”
Just a little over a month later, Soleimani - in violation of a UN travel ban - visited Russia and held meetings with The Kremlin.
Make no mistake, this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam - and we don't think that's an exaggeration.
The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.
Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.
As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday:
If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.
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Ha. +10. Double Assclown!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
Obama has forced Putin to promise to build at least four new golf courses in what used to be ISIS territory.
Hahahaha, well said. OBummer always likes a hole-in-one.
Lets see.
Saudi Arabia where women aren't allowed to drive
Where women have to be dressed in head to toe black
Where they behead people on a daily basis for even the smallest of infractions.
Vs
Iran
Where women dress in modern clothing and drive cars.
Where they actually run businesses and tell the men what to do.
Where Jews are in Iranian Parliament and over 25 synagogues in Tehran .
So who does the USA cozy up to??
Don't forget the Saudi religious police, in 2002, beating schoolgirls fleeing from a burning building because they did have their headscarves on.
You would think the gentlemanly thing to do would be for the goons to take off their own jackets, cover up their girls and escort them to safety away from the leering eyes of dirty men.
I have a lot of respect for the muslim hijab culture. I get it. They do not want other men oogling their own women --- especially their daughters. So, in their culture, the fact that these goons choose to beat the girls rather than protect their dignity is proof-positive to me that their state apparatus is driven by the devil. Utter evil lies in Saud Arabia.
Where do you get your information on Iran? I'm not being accusatory. I'm actually interested.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php#axzz3nX8nbiT2
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php#axzz3nX8nbiT2
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wikigame.php#axzz3nX8nbiT2
Who's got more oil? Everything else is irrelevant. Not justifying it. Just being objective
Al,
50, 60 years ago they both had monarchs, but the peoples in one of the country revolted against their Shah. Then the US reinstalled another Shah, but the peoples revolted against him too.
The other country kept their monarch without any revolts.
So who did the phony democracy-loving US maintain relations with? The country that never revolted against their king or the country that revolted against the US installed Shah?
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Hypocrisy raised to the power n. I hates hypocrisy more that their corrupt actions. Hypocrisy and deception have buried truth and justice under a mountain of shit. No one born after 1960 can remember what it smelt like.
Oh so it Iran which has the good ones. I have no feeling either way but I keep hearing there are not any good ones.
It would be so helpful if you took time to remind of us this from time to time.
I know as you do that the leadership of Iran only wants peace and the protection of Irans Jewish communities is important to them.
They probally have the names, habits, and daily schedule of every single one down to the minute each day. This is for their protection.
You kinow in case a situation came up in which their lives were in danger. After years, those who have kept watch will have grown very attached to these Jews
Reminds of how farmers out in my neck of the woods will shoot any motherfucker that even thinks about getting near the deer they maintain feed plots for.
And you can't blame them for it either.
Time, money, and effort goes into protecting that which you can not wait to kill.
When it comes down to brains, balls, and bullets /weaponry, it does not look like the real empire of evil /NATO has the upper hand anymore against Russia & friends.
But ultimately the game is just between Israel and Russia, given that the former pwns the whole west at all effects.
Obama needs to redeploy Hillary to sell more SAMs to the insurgents.
Pulling out of Iraq precipitously is what is burying Barry, whatever you think of Bush II's war. I don't think much of it, seeing how Sadaam had exactly zero to do with 9-11 and his alleged WMDs were a propoganda ploy from the get-go. But if you broke it, you own it. How long have we been in Europe? Korea? After killing tens of thousands of Iraqis, the least we could do would be to remain there in sufficient force to provide some stability. But oh no. Barry had to make it up to his Moonbat base for not closing down Guantanamo. The power vacuum left behind, coupled with Barry and his spooks meddling from afar, are what produced ISIS. And now the Community Organizer in Chief is being bent over the table by Putin and Iran. You can't make this stuff up.
WMD in this case means Weapons of Mass Deception, as I saw it in another ZH publication. And it was not Saddam who used them.
A key factor to keep in mind is that ISIS is willing to slaughter anybody that isn't ISIS. Their first preference is of course Shia and then Christians. But if stonewalled in Syria, ISIS wil turn its attention to other Sunnis, particularly any who oppose ISIS's goal of a caliphate. That means the House of Saud becomes the new Target #1. If the Russians, China and Iran run ISIS out of Syria, the US is going to have a massive mess on its hands as the top ally and shot-caller of US foreign policy comes under attack by the very death squad they created and sponsored (and let's be honest with ourselves. ISIS is nothing but a death squad used as a proxy force just like the Latin American death squads sponsored by the CIA in the 1970s and 1980s).
How are 90% of Saudis going to feel when ISIS crosses into Saudi Arabia intent on chopping the heads off the royal family? Who really knows? But consider that the vast majority of Saudis also want the royal family gone. If the SHTF, the Saudi royal family will abandon ship and take a permanent vacation in the UK in any one of their $100M homes. If the US loses Saudi Arabia, kiss the petrodollar goodbye along with deficit spending, credit creation and all the perks that come along with it. Meet the new Third World US. Just couldn't leave well enough alone in the Middle East shithole.
Look at a map. There's no way ISIS has the logistics capabilities to attack Saudi Arabia. Infiltration and insurrection might be possible, but I doubt it.
Our 'friends' the Saudis are the arch-monsters of the ME but experience shows that changing regimes over there creates chaos and death on a greater scale , and transfers power to less competent monsters.
Coaches will be laid on at the Iraq border to take them to a suitable point on the Saudi border.
First appeared:http://journal-neo.org/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobody-wants-you-to-know-about/
We had better hope the Russians succeed in cleaning that American mess up. The thought of them failing is too horrible to contemplate.
Here is a story for you which you will have to agree on. 2000 years later and this very story applies to today.
I mean, in the end, this is exactly what you get when you rule by secrecy and deception. When the truth finally gets out you are cornered in your own web of lies. You reap what you sow. Nomatter how powerful you are, in the end, someone will challange you, either by direct assualt or by exploiting you strategically.
Look at this way:
Russia is Anthony.
The West is Brutus.
ME is the poor Julius Ceasar.
The world is The mob.
When Brutus is standing in front of his audience bragging about his kill of JC the mob is cheering him on. The mob mentality is strong, regardless of the direction it takes. It is influenced by a strong character. Anthony on the other hand is patiently waiting for his moment. At the point when it is his turn to speak the entire mob is certain that Ceaser was the cause of all the problems, and that Brutus did right thing in killing him. Anthony has a mountain to climb in order to persuade the mob that what Brutus did was not at all honorable. I am not going to go into the details of the story, as I am sure many of you already know this story. My point here is; what is happening now is exactly what took place in this story. The end story is ofcourse that Anthony manages to wake the crowd up where they realize what they have done and they chase Brutus. We are at this stage in thise debacle in the ME saga. If Putin plays his cards right he can become Anthony of the story as he will win the The World.
So there you go.
Obongo has been used to having other politicos kiss his ass, because like Biden says, "he's black and he's clean." That race card crap don't play on the world stage. Putin and the mullahs have exactly zero guilt feelings he can game. Hence, he's a lost puppy dog.
Vladimir Putin has, by pursuing his nation's best interests, changed the GAME in the Middle East, and the by-product is JUSTICE for the GOOD. That is a remarkable result in today's world. If Vlad continues on as he has been, the very opposite of J-Tribe dominated America, then he will be in the history books as a GOOD leader.
The mainstream media kept telling us that Ahminajad was a devil, who sponsored symposiums looking at the Holocaust©®
which, GASP, permitted FACTS to be introduced to the topic. This caused the "West" to CONDEMN him.
THE TRUTH IS ANTI-SEMITIC!
I would watch him on TV and thought, "This guy seems decent, compared to other Western leaders" and it turns out, he was decent.
This is from 2003, the gentleman who wrote it then died at the age of 40 from a "heart attack" perhaps.
The cost of Israel to the American taxpayer at that time was $3 TRILLION!
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Who could attack in NEUTRAL WATERS, a United States Navy ship killing 34 sailors and wounding 134 more, and MACHINE-GUNNING the life rafts and GET AWAY WITH IT?
Yep, our "ally" Israel:
http://www.ussliberty.org/index2.html
But IRAN and SYRIA are evil, right? Oh and Putin, TOTAL EVIL, right? The biggest evil in operation right now is the USA, the land we all loved and too many of our relatives fought and died for...Whites were played...big time.
These Rusians, they have a wicked sense of humour.
“We are protecting Russian people from the terror threat, because it is better to do it abroad rather than at home,” Medvedev said.
Hey! Didn't we copywrite that?
Ocommie is spending the weekend at his war room, the golf course, brainstorming with his inner circle to sort all this out...Reggie, Raul Castro, Bill and Bernadette, and Chad, the caddie. "Jon Stewart" is standing by on
Instagram.
Uncle Joe Biden is suiting up to take the baton for the next 8 years.
So Chill. Unexceptional USA! Unexceptional USA!
Since the end of the US war in Vietnam I can't think of another US foreign policy debacle on this scale.
This is epic.
The US and its Anglosphere and EU vassals have been checkmated by the East.
Again, look at a map. To enter Syria, an Iranian army is going to have to cross northern Iraq. Where they'll be rolling up ISIS's rear flank, and where they will also have to maintain a communication corridor. Think they'll leave when it's over? Hand it back with a smile to a country they were at war with for a decade? I doubt it.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/middle-east-map.html
Shucks- They will be airlifted from Syria by the CIA and air dropped in Ukraine. And soon after disappear when the US Empire collapses finiancially.
After all an army marches on its belly with weapons and food provided through money ( fiat money in this case)
And when the US$ is worthless there will be no more mercenaries available
OK. So, they will not be air dropped into Ukraine.
Where will they be dropped?
Iraq is already run by Shias. Problem solved.
Putin will broker any arangement that must be made between Iran and Iraq.
His prestige has tripled in the last week.
And Iraq wants Russia to clean up Obama's mess after he cleans up his mess in Syria.
Perhaps rather than a politician or a 'businessman' the US should once again consider a well-respected general as president. Trouble I have is who ? Are any of them any good ? Is there a Schwarzkopf quality general out there today ?
To be honest - I've never heard of any of these folk :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_duty_United_States_four-sta...
I'll say this - I travel by air into the US maybe every 18 months or so. After a recent trip I would much rather have armed military at the airports and let all the TSA employees go. I think the military would be more courteous, disciplined and effective.
YOU say a "foreign policy blunder".
IS IT?
The world is changing.
America no longer rules the roost ... American hegemony is no longer viable. Therefore, other countries will assert themselves and change the political landscape for THEIR OWN PURPOSES.
So what? That is politcs. That is how old Power Blocks disintegrate, and new ones are formed.
You are watching the formation of a Shiite SUPER-STATE ... Iran, Syria and Iraq combined into one mighty Shiite Muslim power. It is an absolute nightmare for the Saudis & Israel, and maybe for Washington DC. But this is what's happening.
Expect MORE CONFLICT. This change will not happen, without major confrontation from the powers who feel threatened.
Earth might be fair, and all men glad and wise,
Age after age their tragic empires rise,
Built while they dream, and in that dreaming weep,
Would man but wake from out his haunted sleep,
Earth might be fair, and all men glad and wise.
-Old Hundred Twenty-Fourth
How far Man has descended.
Nothing wrong with a new Persia. The Sauds are illegitimate. Doubt Persia gives a rip about Israel as long as Israel behaves itself.
Super state? What super state? The Shiitie Sunni dispute is a minor religious disagreement that has existed since the start of islam. The current Shia/Sunni violent conflict was orchestrated by the backward feudal Saudis in the 1980s because they were shitting their pants that a people's revolution like what happened in Iran, might happen there.
This is about power not religion. Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and the other Arabic feefdoms are onlt there because racist America and apartheid Israel together with other western imperialist powers keep them there.
Change would be a good thing. America should just fuck off out of the Middle East along with Imperialist Britain and France. All they do now in the ME is fund terrorists.
I think you're blowing your wad a bit too early here.
Hey, the US Government and lame-stream media keep telling us that ISIS is a legion of demons here to kill us Judeo-Christian sheep. So, Putin, Assad and the Ayatollahs must be doing us a favor. Boy, our Government is really smart to trick Russia, Syria and Iran into destroying our enemies for us without even sending us a bill. Happy days are indeed here again!
When evil leads death and destruction follows.
Can Washington realize what they have done?
No. They're psychopaths. Genetically immune to feeling empathy of any kind.
Poor Israel! No more women and children to fight! It may have to fight a real well-armed army with superior air power! Ooy vee! I can't wait to see it. I may finally need a big flat screen TV to watch this.
Well done, USSA! The Russians have had enough of your "bringing of democracy" and went in to clean the mess you created. Counterbalance is indeed the key word here - when there is NOBODY that can hold you accountable for your shit you get sloppy and sooner or later you screw up.
It was really funny hearing Johny McCain talking about the Russians targeting also "moderate" CIA/Saudi trained rebels when the USSA military said in plain English that they have "four or five" rebels fighting ISIS... so did the Russians really hit those "four or five"?!
Wow, 9 pages of comments. Most of the reades of ZH are American probably and this is a highly charged subject...? That's an assumption though.
This foreign policy blunder is different from Vietnam. Vietnam was deliberate. The New World Order Idea was to convert half the countries to communism, half to capitalism and merge the two into a new world order. (However, Russian negative got overthrown. I.e. 'detente', ended)
They needed to reduce US living standards in line with the Soviet Union, so deliberately conducted a very wasteful war.
However... 'This' time, they really are against a genuine foe that is not in league with them... AND they're losing!
And you honestly think they wont burn the world down to get what they want.
Just so we are all clear here. This will not be a Russian and Iran cake walk. Russia lost a war in afganistan and a holy war doesn't end in a week of Russian bombing. The place is a cluster fuck and thinking that it all goes away with a few Russian bombs, is shortsighted and a complete ideological farce.
We're talking about one religious sect exterting control over another, the place will constantly be in state of war and terror. I don't know how you end a holy war, but adding Russia to the mix, which is a third rate superpower, definately will not be bring peace.
Fuck peace! Death to Israel and all the tribe. Hezbolah may finally be well-armed. I love it. The tribe is killing my country. Don't tell me not to celebrate the death of theirs or the chance thereof.
One would expect Russia learned some hard lessons from Afghanistan. I believe they did. And Syria isn't Afghanistan, obviously--Russia has some very well-connected allies in Syria that are firmly rooted to the soil of the nation there. Very different from the Communist puppet government of Afghanistan that was hated by EVERYONE there.
it goes without saying
"Russia lost a war in Afghanistan."
But who's got 20,000 boots on the ground there now? And a classified number of contractors?
Our troops have been there for 15 years and it's pretty obvious that they are not sipping kaffee mit schlag Unter den Linden.
. . . . one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.
Of course not . . . unfortunately for them (and the rest of the world) their only effective bag of tricks left is pulling even greater and greater false flag operations to try to frame Iran, Syria, Russia, and to a lesser extent China, in an attempt to make them look bad in the eyes of the rest of the world. Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for them, false flag operations haven't been working out real well for TPTB lately as a larger and larger part of the population has caught onto the scam and is not afraid to call them out on it when the evidence looks suspicious.
The snake is eating its tail.
<<... as a larger and larger part of the population has caught onto the scam....>>
The sheeple are used to watching Hollyweird and they have no patience for bad actors.
They'll be dragged kicking and screaming into that good night.
Of course our Army might overrule the CiC, like it did in the early 60's, and start something nuclear with a preemptive strike.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I really think moar and moar folks are catching on to the Real Axis of Evil: DC, London, Tel Aviv.
Get the Zionists!
Zionism is the only thing that kept the Muslim world together.
If you are talking about Israel
You will be just helping the crazy Muslims
and Obama, who is a Muslim
Which means you are next on the hit list
And that is exactly what will happen
the ministry of disinfo is alive and well at ZH
Since the Soviet war in Afghanistan, US policy has been premised on the philosophy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Osama Bin laden was our asset in Afghanistan, but 20 years later, planned and executed 911. Our “friends” in Libya killed the US ambassador and several support staff. Former members of Iraqi military (disbanded by Bush II following the 2003 US invasion of Iraq) are now members of ISIS. 15 of 19 hijackers on 911 were Saudi nationals. Despite this, SA is still a “valued” US ally and recipient of $ billions of US produced weapons.Putin has sat back and watched these repeated debacles unfold and is now saying enough. Syrian, Hezbollah, Iranian ground forces should be able to rapidly degrade radical Islamic forces with Russian air support, solidifying Assad’s control over Syria.
As we have seen- actions have consequences. When you repeatedly get involved with criminals, thugs and killers, bad things usually happen. Can you say blowback?
Libya in particular was diabolical mischief, driven by Obama's cluster of cackling hens (Jarret, Rice, Powers, Clinton, and Cameron) with their specious claims of "responsibility to protect - RPT" to interfere directly against US interests.
Gaddafi had a reasonably stable, relatively affluent and secular society under control in Libya. Once Bush II took out Saddam, Gaddafi did a back flip, swore off WMDs and started helping the US in suppressing Islamic terrorism. Libya wasn't a US ally but it was nonetheless serving US interests.
The hen club destroyed that and wrought immense hardship on the people of Libya. Then they moved on to try to do the same in Syria. These people are truly evil.
obl is not responsible for 9/11.
Spot on!
Even if the balance of power is shifting from West to East (Russia and China), does that bring any good for a humanity that's longing for personal freedom and spiritual evolution. I only just have to recall the following words of Brzezinski and David Rockefeller about their sympathy for socialism, to put the whole geopolitcal fighting facade in the right perspective:
At the Gorbachev-led State of the World Forum in 1995, Council On Foreign Relations member Zbigniew Brzezinski had this to say:
“We do not have a New World Order. … We cannot leap into world government in one quick step. … In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization — genuine globalization — is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units.”
In Zbigniew K. Brzezinski’s book Between Two Ages: America’s Role In The Technetronic Era, he elaborates on the ideology behind what brand of government the New World Order would be:
"The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty… More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken."
"National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept… Marxism represents a further vital and creative state in the maturing of man’s universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief…" (source: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2074-russia-is-dominated-by-global-ba...)
"The socialist experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and succesful in human history.
David Rockefeller, on record as stating in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung (NY Times 10th of August 1973)
As long as Putin and the BRICS-countries are being controlled by central banks, who are via the BIS-bank in Basel at the top of their power structure connected with each other, nothing will change for the spiritual betterment of mankind. Putin plays his role on the geopolitical chess board very well. But he is still an actor. This whole enemy facade is very misleading. Don’t you wonder why there are still Russian troops on American soil? The mastermind behind this outer facade is a genius, who brilliantly keeps people projecting their hope for change and healing on an outer leader. If we don’t want to be sheep anymore we have to follow our inner herdsman instead of an outer puppet on a string.
The Saudi royal family is disintegrating from within. SA leadership will change in the next few months and a flip to The Russia/Iran/ Syria coalition for protection. Petrodollar demise as a new Russia/ ME oil cartel forms. Oil prices will rise dramatically as the new cartel sqeezes US inflence out of Europe and eventually the US itself.
You ignore the fanatical religious differences between Shia and Sunni. There is no way Sunnis will be seeking protection by Iran, since Iran and its Shias is what they want protection from.
They may well try to do a deal with Russia, though Russia would find it difficult trying to accommodate client states dominated by competitive versions of Islam. And why would the Saudis trust Russia to protect them.
The Saudis will desperately want their own nukes. If they cozy up with anyone it is actually likely to be Israel, strange as that might be, but Israel has nukes, both of them have Iran as an enemy and both of them are stuck in the ME unlike the US and Russia. The other major party in the area is Egypt, which is supported by the Saudis and Egypt has maintained and strengthened its peace arrangements with Israel (except for the brief period when Obama got the Muslim Brotherhood into control of Egypt).
With Shia rampant in Iran, Iraq and Syria, and Obama having let Iran off the leash in acquiring nukes, the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia are going to be desperate to also get nukes.
I detest the Saudis but the US has demonstrated once again it cannot be relied upon by allies and the Saudis cannot protect themselves against the Shia without nukes, so they will get nukes.
Didn't take long for Obama's supposedly triumphant deal with Iran to start unravelling big time.
Fly in the ointment with that is the Israelis will take out the Saudis long before they allow them to get a nuke. It's bad enough having Pakistan and Iran in that nuke BM delivery camp ... the Saudis would actually need someone to protect them from Israel the moment they started looking like they might go for a nuke program.
More likely the Saudis will continue to go all in with biological and Chem in the interim (and already have) until they feel they have the deterrent cover needed to pursue a nuke. However Assad pursued that same strategy.
Saudis will get wedged by the US an Europe too if they try to go nuclear, so they definitely won't get there as easily as Iran did. They'd have to try and play hardball with Washington to get there, and I think the US would just bomb the program if all else failed and possibly invade to remove the program and its people.
Sure seems like the israelis have more in common with Persia than with the Saudis. Never understood why the jews are so allied with the wahhabis. Persia has a more open society, like israel's, yet both are theocracies. Seem like two peas in a pod.
Yeah, good point, except for one thing, the Saudis are 'allied' to the US, so Isreal feels the US will keep them out of their border disputes, so Iran backing Assad appears a bigger problem to them, for Assad supported Hezbollah as well, as a part of the chain from Iran. And from what we saw in 2006, Iran had clearly been very busy sending fairly capable weapons to Hezbollah (anti-ship misiles, drones, thousands of unguided rockets, and Kornets via Assad). Israel and Iran are two dogs fighting over a bone.
Israel will do NOTHING that negatively affects the House of Saud without written approval of all three branches of the US government.
re The Largest US Foreign Policy Blunder Since Vietnam Is Complete...
When the Global Bully gets a well-deserved smack in the mouth, that is not a blunder - that is what is known as p-a-y-b-a-c-k.
And people-of-goodwill everywhere cheered.
And the ZIO NeoCONS slithered off into the nearest rat-hole, to plot anew... not realising they'd be easily tracked via their rancid slime-trail...
this is not usa foreign policy. this is zionazi foreign policy. none of this benefits the usa. the real usa foreign policy would be to get rid of the zionazis in usa .gov.
The only way to get rid of them is by dragging them into streets and plain and simple just end their miserable lives. There is literally no other way around it.
Don't worry. Obama is busy claiming the Russians are at fault for everything. Over half of the American people will believe him, too.
My toast was burned this morning. I blame that evil bastard Putin.
Russian Rye?
obola and jarrett set this all up perfectly. the two whitehouse shia's got iran the money via a secretive non-treaty and pretended to fight their own creation (isis) while arming them. opening the door to russia, china and iran to save the day. well played
The more chaos, the more lobbying by those needing weapons and those manufacturing them. Amazing how they've monopolized all sides.
I tend to think it plays right into US hands. The Saudi's made a deal with the devil (Nixon) and now they want a better position. The deal was to keep Russia away from the Mid east yes? The Saudi's stopped playing nice with the US some time ago feeling like Russia was no longer a real threat. Well, guess who's coming to dinner?
How to spot troll, and knows their tactics.
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
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One of the tactics? Fishing for your emotion. And when you falls for this tactics? They wins. Cause they would present you as a bitter anger human, that no people should pay attention to your arguments.
Don't fall to their trap..
Giving them hell unnerves them, I have found, and they abandon the conversation. Troll comments are for future readers. Last word freaks. Winning the argument tends to be alloted to the last comment, and those who read the thread as low information contestants may believe the troll, especially if they are working in unison, giving up arrows and down arrows, accordingly, to sway the opinion. Information war is underway, as noted on ZH yesterday.
I noticed western MSM is silent about this. At leadt in G+ posting page.
The only US blunder news is, about MSF doctors gets killed in AERIAL ATTACKS in khu duz province. But they said? It CAN'T CONFIRMED YET, whether NATO/US fighter jets is the one responsible.
Do any of you know whether taleban HAS air attack assets? Such as attack helicopter, drones, fighter jets, cruise missile launchers??
What a piece of crap!!
This western MSM can know, how many russia's civillians casualties BEFORE Russia bombing even started! But they CAN'T figure out, whose bombing that hospital??
The MIC won't go down this easy. What Putin and Iran managed to do is to stroke the Sunni and Shia war. They are really stupid imbeciles. MIC will gladly arm the Sunnis to the teeth and we're looking now at the intensification of the greater Sunni and Shiite war. The Shiite stand no chance, Sunnis outnumber them 7 to 1.
Shia have the brains, though. That's always an advantage.
Who could possibly say it was worse than the invasion, occupation, and outcome in Iraq? Vietnam basically forced the US off the gold standard. It remains to be seen what the Iraq/Afghanistan wars ultimately do including all of the Treasurey IOUs we have sitting around to have financed it.
You have already seen what it did to the VA system which big shock was completely overwhelmed by the number of new veterans seeking care & especially those were traumatically injured despite no where near the levels of funding.
Even if this entirely true, the issue goes back to the simple fact that the lines on the map drawn up after WW1 no longer work in the Middle East for multiple states or peoples.
Iraq is a failed state. Ditto Syria.
Not Syria. It says a lot that minorities were well treated by Assad. This "civil war" boilied up out of nowhere, it seems. It just smells that in a short period Russia and Syria became deadly threats to world peace and Life As We Know It in the the U.S.
I've seen two photos of Cameron and Obama all chummy with Gaddafi who was to die at the hands of the latter, if not the former, in the blink of an eye. All of a sudden, and I do mean sudden, he was driven from office and suffered a horrible death at the hands of thugs.
Who decides what names get put on this dance card and in what order?
The Middle East is a failed region! If I'm not mistaken the Al Aqssa mosque was the former temple of Solomon which is where Jesus threw out the money changers no?
It's been about money then as it is now.
Same as it ever was. SAME AS IT EVER HAS BEEN! Fuck these motherfuckers right in the ear!
I think this is the "flexibility" old Barry was talking about area years back when his "hot mic" comment was heard around the world. If anyone thinks Barry the butt fucker is suprised let alone upset at any of this then you haven't been paying attention.
What does all of this do As it relates to Syria? It gives Iran breathing room to build a nuke while preventing the US from engaging in airstrikes against Tehran if we, after Barry is gone, or Israel has to act in the future.
This also deminishes the ability of Saudi Arabia to influence the region by using American armed forces to do their bidding. And if isolates and surrounds Israel to the point of impedance because US won't be able to conduct military strength without dealing with Russia or china with Iran effecting the mix.
This isn't hard to understand. It's strategery. Yes I meant to say that and is my favorite Bushism.
To think anything this administration does is an accident is to be willfully ignorant and blind.
Just what in the fuck do you REALLY think Benghazi was all about hmmmmmm?
For the record I tried!!!
The whole nuke thing is a smoke screen. Iran can buy a nuke ''off the shelf'' anyday of the week.
Its all about geopolitics. and balance of power and banking
USA/Israel (same thing) along with the UK want to dominate the region and the world. (Unipolar)
Lots of people are NOT having it.
Negropoleon's Waterloo? Perhaps, but time will tell.
S-400. A designation for non-Russians to keep in mind. Unknown capabilities in combat but the Russians have had 25 years to work on it.
Like Chinese ASAT weapons. Do they make GPS-centered weapons into so much falling iron? We'll see. From Nam till now, we've fought troops with no air assets of any consequence. An enemy might employ them or we might lose ours. That Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of a carrier battle group. Another thing to keep in mind as we contemplate engaging more capable adversaries.
Something for Zbig and the Freak in Chief to file under "Fools Rush In."
I never believed in all that nationalistic fascist bullshit
I have always considered myself a global citizen.
- and I live accordingly.
WR;)
Glory to Vladimir Putin, Hezbollah and Iran.
None of these players are without sin, certainly--and that includes the Russians, Syrians and Iranians--but the US is AGAIN on the wrong side of history. They, the power elite in Washington, Tel Aviv, London, Riyadh and Brussels, just can't help themselves; they're addicted to the drug of "regime change," that the neocons have introduced into the political process, and they can't shake the DT's they experience anytime there's peace on earth and good will to men.
Here's to hoping that Iran/Hezbollah/SAA/Russia are able to finally liquidate these US armed, Saudi funded, Isn'treali trained Priest Beheading Liver Eaters once and for all and the Syrian people can return to their homes and rebuild their lives. The US power elite don't represent the people of the US, and they don't have anyone's best interests at heart other than their sponsors. To hell with them all and their families.
The only regime change that ever worked out was Vietnam, and that was a collateral accident of defeat.
If we dont try and execute these traitors right now ww3 is inevitable
"Make no mistake, this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam - and we don't think that's an exaggeration. "
We have a POTUS, his administration and a State Department with a long term foreign policy outlook of 3 WEEKS depending on which way the wind blows and how the MSM is reporting it. Oh yeah, don't forget them poll ratings too.
I believe the next occupant of the WH will probably possess the same exceptional qualities.
Has Vegas got an over / under yet on whether WW3 starts before or after Obammy's term expires?
Notice that most of the candidates spend a lot of time bashing Putin and Assad
How many candidates talk about solutions to America's problems
Guys like Rubio, Cruz and other morons don't have a prayer of being elected, they are just out to get federal matching funds, its like KA CHING.
McCain is certifiably insane and yet people love him. That tells you just how GODDAM stupid and igorant the majority of Americans are.
But its scary because lots of those idiots make it into govt and are close to the Big Red Button
Probably the most dangerouns ones are the Buybulll thumpers who won't be happy until their Armageddon comes true.
You can't reason with theses Christer shitheads. They don't eve understand the concept of a ''self-fulfilling prophecy'
170083 Reads, most Ive ever seen here.
Right now Jerusalem is to busy with Arab Terror to do anything else. With shooting, stabbings and fire bombs hourly, things are a mess in Jerusalem.
When you steal peoples land and shoot their kids you have to expect terror.
Frankly I would love to see you KIKERoaches vapourized once and for all.
Psychopath bastards and true racists.
Fucking Jew pig bastards, always playing the 'victim card'.
Biggest mistake iin history was shutting down Auschwitz.
And take your bullshit 'anti-semite'' card and shove it up your fucking ass.
I hope Russia arms Hezbollah to the teeith so you Jew pigs will think twice about trying to steal Lebanon for your ''Greater Israel'
ZioNazi pigs make Hitler look like a choir boy.
Khazar Kike roaches that populate ''Israhell'' don't have a drop of semitic blood. Jerusalem CATS?? More like Jerusalem PIGS.
And your goal of getting the USA to hate Muslims by doing 911 won't work in the end.
The people that will nail you pigs in the end are not Muslims but us NON-Muslims.
Jerusalem ''pussies''. Fucking slimeball thieves and liars, cheats and exploiters. And the IDF pussies run like scared pussies when up against REAL men of Hezbollah,\
IDF goons only shoot women and children who fight back from having their land stolen.
Yes but Israel is always shooting, stabbing, burning and bombing Arabs so what else is new??>
The world is already tiring of Israel and their plaintive cries of holocaust, while they slaughter the children of those they deem inferior...
Wait for the CIA designed false flag to try and falsify the achievements of Russia and Iran in eliminating all Sunni terrorists.
Something tells me that somewhere Hildabeast is jowl deep in this mess. Same thing that told me the there was a massive attempt to cover up the nationality of the Oregon shooter while our Mushroom stamp in chief went on the tele to talk about gun confiscation.
Hey Tyler's you have a descrimination policy. Why don't you use it and get this Fucktard Alfred Newman out of here before he gives your site less credibility? That is unless you want him here for a specific reason!!!
Alfred may be a little grumpy sometimes but if you have a problem with what he says prove him wrong. You don't like it when he points out that zionist are fucking the world AGAIN. Remember they will kill you too because your not in the club.
How The War Party Betrayed America’s Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy Tradition http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/how-the-war-party-betrayed-america...
Very good:
Dehumanization of a country and its people -Target: Iran
http://writersviews.com/article-demonization-prelude-to-war.php
The Red Flag of Demonization
http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2011/11/the-red-flag-of-demonization/
Some sour grapes among the delusional exceptionists who still pretend the USA ever had a chance or deserved to win in what at has been engaged in but the truth is a great evil has been paused in it's destruction at least for a moment and a defender of the last decent and worthwhile aspects of humanity appears to have stood up along with a growing majority of the world's people. The fools sowed the wind with poisonous seed and the whirlwind is ripe for harvest. It looks like a real howler on the way from here.