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Russia Claims ISIS Now On The Ropes As Fighters Desert After 60 Airstrikes In 72 Hours
One question that’s been asked repeatedly over the past thirteen months is why Washington has been unable to achieve the Pentagon’s stated goal of “degrading and defeating” ISIS despite the fact that the “battle” pits the most advanced air force on the planet against what amounts to a ragtag band of militants running around the desert in basketball shoes.
Those of a skeptical persuasion have been inclined to suggest that perhaps the US isn’t fully committed to the fight. Explanations for that suggestion range from the mainstream (the White House is loathe to get the US into another Mid-East war) to the “conspiratorial” (the CIA created ISIS and thus doesn’t want to destroy the group due to its value as a strategic asset).
The implication in all of this is that a modern army that was truly determined to destroy the group could likely do so in a matter of months if not weeks and so once Russia began flying sorties from Latakia, the world was anxious to see just how long the various rebel groups operating in Syria could hold up under bombardment by the Russian air force.
The answer, apparently, is “less than a week.”
On Saturday, the Russian Ministry of Defense said it has conducted 60 bombing runs in 72 hours, hitting more than 50 ISIS targets.
According to the ministry (Facebook page is here), Islamic State fighters are in a state of “panic” and more than 600 have deserted.
Here's what happens when the Russians locate a terrorist "command center":
According to The Kremlin, the structure shown in the video is (or, more appropriately, "was") "an ISIS hardened command centre near Raqqah." Su-34s hit it with concrete-piercing BETAB-500s setting off a series of explosions and fires that "completely destroyed the object."
Here's RT:
Surgical airstrikes by Russian fighter jets have knocked out a number of Islamic State installations in Syria, including the battle headquarters of a jihadist group near Raqqa, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
“Over the past 24 hours, Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-24M fighter jets have performed 20 sorties and hit nine Islamic State installations,” Igor Konashenkov, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman, reported.
Konashenkov added that yesterday evening Russian aircraft went on six sorties, inflicting strikes on three terrorist installations.
“A bunker-busting BETAB-500 air bomb dropped from a Sukhoi Su-34 bomber near Raqqa has eliminated the command post of one of the terror groups, together with an underground storage facility for explosives and munitions,” the spokesman said.
Commenting on the video filmed by a Russian UAV monitoring the assault near Raqqa, Konashenkov noted, “a powerful explosion inside the bunker indicates it was also used for storing a large quantity of munitions.
“As you can see, a direct hit on the installation resulted in the detonation of explosives and multiple fires. It was completely demolished,” the spokesman said.
And here's the Russian Defense Ministry taking a page out of the US Postal Service's "neither rain, sleet, snow, nor hail" book on the way to serving notice that nothing is going to stop the Russian air force from exterminating Assad's enemies in Syria:
Twenty-four hours a day #UAV's are monitoring the situation in the ISIS activity areas. All the detected targets are effectively engaged day and night in any weather conditions.
Now obviously one must consider the source here, but Kremlin spin tactics aside, one cannot help but be amazed with the pace at which this is apparently unfolding. If any of the above is even close to accurate, it means that Russia is on schedule to declare victory over ISIS (and everyone else it looks like) in a matter of weeks, which would not only be extremely embarrassing for Washington, but would also effectively prove that the US has never truly embarked on an honest effort to rid Syria of the extremist groups the Western media claims are the scourge of humanity.
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"Latest breaking news is that the US military now admits that Russia has created a "No Fly Zone" over Syria."
Well, I'm not putting up with it. I'm gonna write to my Congressman Al Bigdaddy in Raqqa to lodge a complaint with the UN.
Remember Obama mocking Romney during the 2012 debate about the 80's calling and wanting their foreign policy back?
Looks like Putin answered the call.
Obama (along with the rest of the Deep State) was targeting Russia well before that debate - the plans to destabilize Ukraine and Syria were already under way.
Romney made the mistake of saying it publicly, and Obama made him pay for it - the plebes weren't supposed to know yet that that was the plan.
I imagine Putin's rules of engagement go like this: 1) Find them. 2) Kill them. 3) Break their stuff.
That said, if history is any guide, airstrikes still aren't going to be enough. Boots on the ground will be required. Hence Iran.....
"That said, if history is any guide, airstrikes still aren't going to be enough. Boots on the ground will be required. Hence Iran....."
Airstrikes are never enough. You need ground forces. The infantry is key to winning a war.
Yep.
All other loyalties aside, if you had to put money on either the former KGB guy or the former community organizer, where would your money go?
The former community organizer.
Putin is in Syria because he had no other option if he wanted to save his puppet and naval base.
Ergo, he has already lost round one by being forced to commit Russian assets and spend Russian money that he can ill afford to squander. From a simple attrition standpoint, this is not good news for the Russians.
You guys can gobble up the Early Days propaganda if you want, but Putin cannot sustain aerial operations in a harsh desert environment for long without the sortie rate falling off considerably. Months of quiet intelligence gathering generated a target list that will soon be invalid and future intel will be much harder to come by and less likely to be actionable by the time it arrives.
If you think there is any difference between the relative levels of Obama's ruthlessness and Putin's ruthlessness, you are mistaken. Obama gets to fight with cheap disposable islamic kooks. Putin has been forced to commit politically valuable Russians, whose loss will cause him great problems at home.
I well remember the amazing feats performed by the USAF in the early stages of the campaign in Afghanistan. What Russia is accomplishing now is but a pale shadow of that achievement, but regardless of its accomplishments, it too will fade and the war will widen and become much more costly to Russia. Vietnam 2.0
Putin and Lavrov are correct and in the right to have protected their interests. This is a watershed moment.
Which slot do you host for Fauxnews Tarabel?
O/D ing on Koolaide.
The world just changed and you are parroting Obozo saying this is a sign of weakness.
Comb the shit out of your hair before going anywhere.
The US has a 17 T economy and the world's reserve currency. Russia has a 2 T economy that is being strangled by western sanctions and the Saudi proxy war on other oil producers.
Putin has made his move, one that Russia has never risked before. The ball is frankly in Obama's court at this point. He can drop his plans or he can keep them static and see how things work out or he can escalate.
These two guys HATE each other. Obama, at least, has a very clear record of playing for keeps against those he dislikes at whatever the cost, and I doubt Mr. Trained-To-Take-It-Up-The-Wazoo KGB agent Putin is any different.
My personal expectation is for Putin to make some early gains that are ludicrously inflated into smashing Operation Bagration-level victories a la RT and ZH coverage. After that, we'll see. If Obama wants to escalate, he has many ways in which to make this adventure prohibitively expensive to a country that cannot blow trillions of dollars on ego trips. But make no mistake, this is now a clash of two gargantuan egos that are not going to sound retreat.
Wars and rumors of wars...
US has > $18t debt and Russia has very lttle debt.
Someday people will want their money paid back.
When "someday" comes, everybody everywhere is going down, Russia included.
Tarabel,
The relentless ZH Putin Fanboyz will not tolerate that attitude on your part.
Best go away for awhile, and come back and find you're
(that's NOT your, as most of these dopes on here write)
vindicated, whilst these libertarian douchebags are licking their wounds
over the denigration of their favorite Russian lick-boy Putin.
Roger & Tartabel - No one is getting their "money" back, the US 18 Triillion debt and $180 Trillion unfunded liabilities can and will never be paid.
2003 was the start of WWIII - which is just ramping up now and which ends with the giant debt "reset" button being pressed.
Roger, you know all wars are bankster wars, watch this if you need a reminder...
They come from the Planet Klepto
Nice try. All wars are not bankster wars. Just off the top of my head, I remember the one in Central America that started over a soccer game. Bolivia has no coastline because it lost it to Chile in a war over bird shit. The many wars of the Plains Indians with one another did not involve a single banker. Helen of Troy was not a teller. Hannibal was an elephant herder, not a pawn broker. Spartacus did not seek to cancel his student loans.
Apart from that, I certainly agree that nobody is getting their money back but you are attempting to limit the discussion to American liabilities. Nobody is getting their money back from russia, the EU. Japan, China, anywhere and everywhere. When the debt scheme collapses, it is taking everybody down with it. Which is what I said above.
Tinkerbells bankster feelings have been hurt ... again. Somebody throw her a hanky.
It's true. I'm weak and needy.
That's why I try so hard to gain everyone's approval by covering up my genuine feelings.
Thank you for being so understanding.
+ 1 for funny, clever and true.
you suffer from auto down vote, don't think they read.
most in this world are on auto hate.
i get a lot of things right because I trust no one and read everyone.
Now I will get more red votes.
lol and haha I don't care
What is going to happen is a Jubilee in the run up to the new age which begins in 2020.
A whole new global banking system.
Bye to the dollar and the FED.
Let me see here, correct my sums if I'm wrong, but the economy is only that
large if you use the govt. deflator.I think that Chinese rating agency is closer to the truth at
around a $7tn GDP.
Not that either figures matters much when put alongside the debt.
10 cents on the dollar in a firesale on assets in normal, so the US is the biggest bankrupt
entity the world has ever seen.No vulnerabilities there s\.
Hubris will be the death of Pax Americana with the help of a shove from Putin and Xi.
After alienating everyone, the RoW will gladly kick the US when its down, to make damn sure
it never rises again. You have no concept of the resentment that has built up, but I do when
my family speaks to me,some even take exception because I just live here..
Again, we'll see.
You guys tend to adopt a straight-line view of imperial foundation, rise and decline that seems a little too simplistic for me. Many empires are beset with crises, reorganize and emerge with an additional lease on life. Until you are dancing on Washington's grave, you should suspend judgment on the American capacity to adapt and overcome.
That the US government is firmly in the hands of the same species of evil Continental philosophers as your own unfortunate country, as Russia, as China, as everyone everywhere, I have no doubt at all. For someone who claims the mantle of Winston Churchill to suppose that America is beaten even while the clouds are still gathering is rather a slur on the indomitability of that great half-American man.
No doubt America stands increasingly alone in the world. Since the whole world is rocketing towards one-world government with a restored aristocracy at the top, I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. Do not mistake the one-worlders in the US government for America, however. Especially since your own country has already fallen so far into their snare that people are being encouraged to surrender their knives at public drop-boxes. Our government is only doing your dirty work for you while you all piously denounce it as evil.
We will have to fight our government, your government, and everyone else's government all at the same time but we shall not go down into the same hell of subservience to the new overlords as you will.
"The whole world united shall not prevail against her." G. Washington
"Surely, I come." J. Christ
Sympathetic to his son's plight, Herman Munster (Fred Gwynne) consoled Eddie, by saying:
After listening to Herman, Grandpa Munster (Al Lewis) commented "You know something Herman?" You're a pretty nice guy. You're no Norman Vincent Peale. But you're a nice guy."
The US has no economy. The US has only the appearance of the economy and the myth of a strong economy. United States - a country bankrupt, that every day and every year, consumes two times more than it produces.
The share of the US contribution to world GDP - 23%
The share of US consumption of world GDP - 42%.
Main export item in the structure of US exports - is the export dollars.
It is not the economy. It's called economy of consumption in debt. That is, the United States - a country the parasite without any economy, except the economy of the pyramid of debt.
"The US has no economy. The US has only the appearance of the economy and the myth of a strong economy. United States - a country bankrupt, that every day and every year, consumes two times more than it produces."
And EXACTLY what economy would you propose that is doing so famously well right now?
Maybe your kiss-ass flunky wannabe world leader Putin? His Russian economy is a joke and the entire world knows it.
Or maybe you are sucking on the teat of your munificent Premier Xi of China,
the country whose Vaunted Economy is going directly into the shitter.
Or maybe Brazil, the once-bright-light-beacon of South America that has fallen on its face into the gutter.
So, asshole, exactly what country in the world are you putting up as a shining example of someone who has got it perfectly right?
You don't, which is why you are a loser/wanker sitting in your parents' garage (you don't deserve a spot in the basement) pulling your pud while sucking on meth.
You could not argue anything to me basically my assertions.
Have you tried using a personal insult the interlocutor in order to disguise the lack of your basic knowledge in the field of economy.
Therefore, only what you do well, it's a personal insult the interlocutor.
I will explain this to you:
There are countries with a budget surplus, and there are countries with a deficit budget.
Countries with a surplus - these are the countries that produce more than they consume. For example Russia, China or India. Net international reserves of these countries is continuously growing and growing against their net debt. (See The ratio of debt to GDP)
Countries with budget deficit are those countries that produce less than they consume. For example the United States, Britain and Japan. Net debt of these countries are growing against their net international reserves. (See The ratio of debt to GDP again)
Russia, China or India, this countries who live by their labor and their resources.
US, Britain and Japan are the countries that live off the labor and resources of other countries.
What would happen if right now deprive the US monopoly to print the global currency?
The entire economy of the United States and all the institutions of the United States will collapse like a house of cards, deprived of its the PAPER base.
This means that the so-called "US economy" is based only on the exclusive right of the US to print US dollars and thus endlessly consume in debt resources, products and goods from all the world.
Excuse me, but this is not the concept of the economy. This is the concept of parasitism by the resources and labor of other countries and peoples. QED.
But America has the world strongest military! Just look how much they spend on it... it MUST be the worlds strongest, no?
Besides, Americans KNOW their military is the strongest, so it doesn't matter if they do things wrong or right, since the have the strongest military! things will work out for them.
When I was a kid, the girls got four strikes instead of three when we played baseball. Lots of people are willing to play footsie with the US Army as long as it remains entangled in these idiotic demands that they have to let the other side have four strikes.
I'm guessing that, for all the happy talk about how kick-ass and dismissive of consequences Putin's mighty war machine might be, nobody wants to play the US military in a straight up game of chance.
Total bullshit. During the 2013 sarin gas false flag fiasco, the rank and file American military, admirably refused to fight, saying things like 'I didn't join the Marines to fight for Al-Qaeda.' They don't want to be your Zionist tool no more. Hence the reliance on things like drone warfare. Hence the development of superior Russian EW.
Times have changed. Try to keep up.
I'll do my best. Before I go, however, could you give me some idea of how I can get in contact with the people who are hiring "Zionist tool(s)". I mean, if it pays good, I might be willing to give it a shot.
On the other hand, if there are better career advancement possibilities in being an "anti-Zionist tool", I'm open for that as well.
Absent a big raise in salary, however, I'll stick with being me and a tool to neither one of these manufactured false-flagged causes.
Spoken like a true Zionist tool. Well done. Just call AIPAC or the Israeli embassy. I'm sure you know the phone number.
Think again.
Russian General Staff officer of the armed forces of Russia reported by phone:
We really see a big difference between ordinary terrorists in Syria and moderate terrorists who were trained by the CIA.
For this reason, we use different types of ammunition. For conventional strikes on ordinary terrorists, we use our usual ammo.
But for attacks on moderate terrorists, we use our moderate ammo only.
Our moderate ammunition have different from the our ordinary ammunition in the same way, as ordinary terrorists differ from the moderate terrorists.
All our moderate ammunition, have a different color.
This is completely different paint composition and other color shades. It is also more lighter and more moderate colors on all of our moderate missiles and bombs.
http://cont.ws/post/128920
That some people may prefer wearing the livery of Grand Duke Putin to wearing the livery of Grand Duke Obama is not really any concern of mine. They all look great in the clothes provided by their masters.
But I am an American. I dream of an Empire of Free Men, who do not bow down before Popes, Presidents, or Kings of any sort. I will wear my plain old rags with pride and endure the laughter of all of you dressed in your elegant suits of genteel obedience to this earthly overlord or that.
# "That some people may prefer wearing the livery of Grand Duke Putin to wearing the livery of Grand Duke Obama
We know already. You are way to busy parading around with Bibi's skid-marked panties stuck to your forehead. I'm sure that's a great fashion statement in occupied Hebron, but around here, it just highlights what a fool you are.
Carry on being the clown. There is some entertainment value in it. Thanks.
Hebron, being a city (I assume), is bound to be occupied by somebody. My house is occupied too. Come save me, you big strong righter of wrongs, you.
More clowning. You're a real gas Tinkerbell.
fuck you, cunt.
You have the right to wear any clothes and shoes in the your house.
But you have no right to force the peoples of other countries, to imitate you and to wear such clothes and shoes that you like.
Do not meddle in the internal affairs of other countries and you will be happy.
Not lead paint I hope, that would be dangerous.
"All our moderate ammunition, have a different color."
I hven't been able to stop laughing! Priceless.
Are you forgetting that China is standing with Russia?
China stands with China, or so they think. They hate the people who stole their Mongolian territories almost as much as they hate the Americans who prevent them from snuffing out the government of dissent enshrined on Taiwan.
But I have little doubt that they would be happy to do anything in their power to help with the outbreak of a US-Russian war. Anything, that is, except get in the middle of it.
Fear not, however. Every one of these governments, and all others to boot, are in service to the same dark master. The decision between war and peace rests with him. If he says march, they will all jerk into motion regardless of what their individual will may be.
Pray to the dark lord for his favor, protection, and riches. He can make a KGB assrape boy King of Russia. He can make an undocumented Communist Lord of the Land of the Enlightenment. Twice. He can make Yassir Arafat desired by women. Kim Kardashian seem sexy. Nothing is impossible to him in this, his time to rule the earth.
I will stand on the rock of my forefathers and bid defiance to his reign.
You're obviously speaking in Biblical terms. So who do you stand for and what is his name? And I am not talking about the son.
In case Tarabel has already gone to bed, I'll jump in since the answer is obvious.
The Rock is the Cornerstone is the Son.
The one to whom so many bow down is your name.
Ego has nothing to do with the subject - the combination of Iraq / Iran and Russia with china and syria - doesnt equal USA on the ground covertly or militarily
Iraq wont work for USA but will for Iran
So along with the 17 tril econ our debt to GDP ratio is 130 % or so. We have 238 trillion in u funded ma dates, we are bringing in hundreds of thousands of ignorant poor third worlders to suck off the system, our military ap9aratus is failing apart consumed in matters of gay, transgender or females acceptance by the military. The world is about to separate us from world reserve currency status, we have 94 million unemployed, stopped looking or underemployed, real uneployment is more lime 25 percent or more, we MAKE NOTHING OF NOTE TO SUSTAIN US IN A LONG TERM CONVENTIONAL WAR, even most of ur shit weaponary is made in other countries. Military is more worried about giving females time to breast feed their babies then figuring out why hun dreds of vets are committi g suicide, we got a government fully corporate K street owned, and if we ever got into a serious war with Russia orChina would find out fast how all that investment in China just got confiscated. Sanctions on Russia pale in comparison to our economic problems. One thing Rusdia has now that we do not, a sense of itself as a sovereign nation state. Political correctness, the feminization of the culture, including institutions like the military will ensure we are on the losing side. I have no doubt, Deep State is considering taking out a US city or some US installation to blame on Russia, islamic nuts, or China. Or more likely take out network and blame Russia. We are lazy, spoiled, so full of our own corruption and hubris, we refuse to see what we have become. Baby,in tbe Great comes to mind. We have totally consumed all the moral and good will capital we ever had. All the wars, deaths, sacrifices by good people, wasted by plutocrats as well as venal ignorant lazy US public. After talking to Russian friends, including some in military ....who have asked at every exchange..what the fuck is going on. Surely the US knows we need to be on same page ..especially with rise of Islamic miliatarism. All I can tell them, this nation, the West is run by lunatics. I have no doubt their leader is lucifer himself. Most of the guys shake their heads, what happened to America, we should be allies. I can only say the America of WW2 is over..this America is under new ownership of very evil men.
"this America is under new ownership of very evil men."
Thank you for expressing it so eloquently.
You had me going for a minute but when I read "Obama's ruthlessness", I realised it was all a joke. Russia can well afford a few more sorties but then round 2 will be Iranian boots on the ground. Barry will never match that cost.
This is going to cost the US WAY more than it will cost Russia - this whole thing was about the Qatari gaspipe (which ain't gonna happen) and why was that so important? The petrodollar - which allows the US to print bits of paper and send them overseas in return for 'free stuff'.
Things are bad and are going to get worse.
My friend, Russia has long had a lot of satellites over Syria. You can not move anything or build in Syria, that it was not seen in Moscow in real time. In Syria, you can not even urinate at the side of the road so that the Russian army did not know about it.
We'll see. Let's look at that original headline-- 60 strikes in 72 hours, or 20 a day for 3 days. Less than one an hour. Not much of an operational tempo in an area the size of Washington State and I'm saying it's only gonna slow down from there.
Let's not forget that Assad-held Syria is effectively bankrupt and deprived of its only revenue source. Russia gets to pay for EVERYTHING now. Civilian food and energy. Governmental salaries. Pay, equipment, and supplies for the Syrian army. Plus the costs of its own growing expeditionary force.
If, as you guys so positively contend, ISIS is a pure puppet of Israel and the US, they will soon be sporting the means to make the Russian Air Force keep its distance and parading around shot-down Ivans in cages before splashing on the gas. They will soon be under orders to produce Russian body bags regardless of any other consideration. All I can say is what I said above: We'll see. Putin made his move. I believe he made it out of a lack of alternatives. You guys think it was some sort of brilliant strategem. Regardless, the deed is done and the consequences will be massive on all sides.
Many speculate on large masses of Iranians entering the theater of operations. Again, we'll see. In 1917, Germany infected Russia with Communism in order to get it out of the war. It succeeded in the immediate aim, but also ended up infecting its own soldiery who had served in Russia but at a slower rate of incubation. I'm not so certain that Iran wants any of its own troops exposed directly to ISIS-ism. Proxies like Hezbollah and other undesirables that will be liquidated anyhow in the event of a restored Persian Empire, no problem. I can foresee specially-selected cadres of advisors whose political loyalty is undoubted- but Iranian draftees, no. They dare not risk it, or so I suspect.
You just confuse between Putin and Brezhnev.
If in Syria will begin to shoot down Russian planes with the help of US MANPADS, we will see a mirror of this situation in Afghanistan.
In Afghanistan, the would shoot down US planes from the Russian MANPADS.
By the way, Russian MANPADS surpass the United States in all respects.
This MANPADS can use even a child. Preparing to launch the rocket takes only 8 seconds.
http://www.janes.com/article/52755/kbm-unveils-decoy-resistant-verba-man...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/9m336.htm
I am convinced that if the United States so much want a war with Russia, they will get it.
But this war for the United States, will be the last. Amen!
Oh, I don't confuse Putin with Brezhnev at all.
Brezhnev had the world's most powerful army, and it was camped in the middle of Germany for a starting point.
Brezhnev had the world's largest navy with bases all over the world.
Brezhnev had air and nuclear forces that were far more powerful than those at the disposal of his aspiring successor.
He had all of the territorial, population, and industrial resources of the Soviet Union at his disposal whereas much of that was stripped away following the collapse of the USSR.
He had a girdle of slave states on his western border and countless beholden "People's Republics" and NLFs all over the globe.
AND HE LOST
Putin can marshal nowhere near the same resources and is facing an opponent that has been perfecting its warfighting capabilities in actual hostile combat for more than a decade. What looks good on paper does not always include a proper computation for the human factors inherent in any military operation.
I can assure you of one thing, however. If their boss wants them to fight, Putin and Obama will go at it and everyone everywhere will suffer.
Tarabel,
You are talking logic to a bunch of pathetic Putin fanboyz,
most of who are living in their parents' basements,
deprived of female companionship and seeking to amend
for their lack of life fulfillment.
I'm saying, Don't waste your time and intellectual energy.
This rabble is not worth your while.
Let these loser pussies stew in their own vomit while they watch
their fantasies slip away into nothingness.
I revel in their petty, anonymous vindictiveness. We live in a time of universal deceit. They wish to make me believe that the WHOLE WORLD is cheering on Mr. Putin and they may well be correct in that belief.
But that just proves my point in its entirety. If the whole world is deceived and the whole world is shaking their pom-poms for Vlad, then they are the deceived and not the enlightened remnant who see the truth. The more they pile on their red arrows, the more they prove my point.
Incidentally, you can see from this thread that I disdain to downvote those who disagree with my opinions. There is not a single red arrow on most of the comments which I have taken exception to-- and any that do exist are not from me. Voting does not make a lie the truth. It may make it the law and it may make it an adopted but mistaken impulse among the thoughtless but it does not alter the truth in any way.
Take Putin out of the picture.
We still have our incompetent Golfer in Chief and his merry band of fools at the helm of State.
Which part of everything Obama and his minions has ever touched has turned into a steaming pile of shit do you discount? It means something no matter how you spin it.
If we only had a leader with 1/2 of Putin's leadership. Instead, we have a fucking community organizing failure.
I pray for the USA.
Which part of his failures do I discount? None of them. He is destroying this country.
But don't make the mistake of assuming that Obama's leadership and Putin's are not jointly bringing the world to the place that their master desires. If they were to trade places tomorrow, Putin would be busy selling America down the river and Obama would be busy stoking the belief that Russia is big and bad enough to tackle the US. Their master desires this collison and they are both faithful servants carrying out his wishes.
I pray for everyone, regardless of where they live or what subverted earthly cause they have been sucked into believing. May God run with them all and see them and their families safely through this approaching time of mighty terror and destruction.
You're talking over the heads of most. They don't realize whose hands the kingdoms of the world are in. How could he have offered them in exchange for an act of worship if they were not his?
5.0
we're on 5.0
My apologies. I seem to have lost count a while back.
Poorly read Tarabel. Putin is in Syria because he has no other choice - it's that or fold to the ZWO and probably die.
So...if this does look like turning into another Vietnam, Putin will not accept it. He will widen the war to include his direct enemies - he will have nothing to lose.
The US was not in that postion in Vietnam. For the States, Vietnam was business. For Putin, this is a death struggle.
The Zionists have awoken the bear. Let's see if they are so dumb as to think backing it into a corner is a bright idea.
For all our sakes, I hope not.
The U.S. corporate fascist state makes more money dragging it out.
This has to be the most enlightening article on ZH since whenever.
It tells us all we need to know who is funding ISIS and who they work for.
Someone now needs to find evidence of who gave the orders for evil beheadings.....
Smacker, it's clear the Irish are behind the effort. They're everywhere in the Military Industrial Complex.
Thats MIC with a K.
The Secret ISIS Safe Havens Nobody Wants You to Know Abouthttp://journal-neo.org/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobody-wan...
First appeared:http://journal-neo.org/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobody-wants-you-to-know-about/
Putin = 100% WIN.
And that fact that he is enshrining in the history books the USA's limpdickedness and incompetence is just an added bonus.
Putin = 100% loser.
Watch what happens over the next 6 months as Russia
gets dragged back into their 2nd Afghanistan.
Tell us all about it then, pussy.
But we didnt have paid mercs in afghanistan..... oh, wait
However, Putin knows what he is doing as he and Assad are buds
So, it sure seems like ISIS was an offshoot of Al_CIA_Dugh, perhaps they did go rogue, but nevertheless they STILL served in US interests by destablizing the whole theater of operations, the MidEast.
They did not go rogue. They acted as intended ... until they didn't ... with 500 lb. bombs marked made in Russia on their heads.
I love it! What the United States couldn't do in over a year the Russians came in and did it in three days. Obama you ass!!!
Russia sorts out Syria in one week. Hungary sorts out its border fence in six months. Yet the US is supposed to be the exceptional one.
Wow. So anything that comes out in favor of Russia is immediately believed to be completely true and factual while anything to do with America's (admittedly below par) efforts is considered propaganda or false flag BS. Wow again. To think independently of the FedGov's party line is admirable, but let's not get sucked in by the onslaught of polished Russian propaganda either.
There is so much BS from all sides that getting to the actual facts of any matter has become more difficult, not less.
The Secret ISIS Safe Havens Nobody Wants You to Know Abouthttp://journal-neo.org/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobody-wan...
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You sure are a gullible retard ,
I doubt you have any real life experience in Middle East or anyplace outside of your trailer park,
I have seen the lies of the USA govt for decades starting when I was in Vietnam and later on when flying for Libyan govt in 2002-2003
DD214 and photos below.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g8efwkcpjdd9vcu/dd2142.JPG?dl=0
prolly a langley troll.........no one is really that stupid al
Damn Mike, your taking hits for a pretty solid post. Goes to show how unbalanced ZH can be at times (more often than not). ALL sides of this (Israel, Iran, US, Russia, China, Germany, Greece, etc.) have their spin machines running on "full retard."
To those who don't get it... THIS IS WAR. Financial warfare, economic warfare, information warfare, proxy warfare,... and moving towards something nastier every day. Propoganda IS the fucking status quo. You've been warned.
I usually don't engage like I have today but it's raining out and I felt like trying to hammer a few of the more obvious outliers. Waste of time. The flood of disinfo on all sides is too thick to attempt to reason through, these trolls (Russian?) are paid to play, not think. And they favor personal attack rather than reasoned debate. I have been called trailer trash three times in my life, all three here, today! And a guy in Ireland called me a hick, too, so I obviously have to work on my delivery.
Oh well, the facts will win out in the end. Let the chips fall where they may.
ZH is full of Russian Trolls these last few days,
and they Tylers are aiding and abetting them
to get clicks.
Thank you Ad-block that I don't have to look at the bullshit too.
I think you need to look at the responses and comments on your beloved MSM channels about what people think of what Russia is doing. Few of us here are "Russian Trolls". We are regular people who are fed up with lies and deception that comes from the triad known as Isreal/Saudis/USA. We are fed up with people being killed in the name of democracy. If that constitutes your definition of a troll then you are a cløwn and a troll and what Himmler called "untermenschen". In your own admission, you support killing of innocent people and you support imperialistic US warmachine. That alone puts you along side war criminals. Sanity in this world seems to be a scarce commoditiy these days.
What the US did is they landed in their own shit and exposed themselves for the whole world to see as to what is/was really going on the ME. There is no excuse or report that will change that anymore. They can squeel like pigs from Pentagon, Tel Aviv, DC and Riyadh, people have finally opened their eyes. Genie is out of the bottle.
Mike you said: "too thick to attempt to reason through"
You are either too lazy to do simple homework on the facts or too limited intellectually to analyze data and compare to profiles of US conduct internationally since WWII to draw reasonable conclusion
The book - TEN YEARS OLD - Confessions of an Economic Hitman by Mr. Perkins (former CIA) shows the exact same protocols used in South America in Ukraine and ME.
or how about AF Skinner - pulitzer prize winner - former NYT who WROTE THE BOOK IN - 1953 - about false flag events and actions of military in Korea that are the same today
The truth is you are making up "too thick" - it is as obvious as the smell of coffee in the morning - I feel sorry for you!
bs yourself all your opinion and talkings...no fact
several postings all full of your worthless advices
Boris's evil brother? Anger due to urban copper strip mining operation dried up and now must work Siberian tundra to make give bounty?
Yeah, now that you mention it, where is Boris?? That guy was great and I'm sure he could add some levity to these discussions.
"There is so much BS from all sides that getting to the actual facts of any matter has become more difficult, not less. "
You are quite correct, Sir. Have you considered counselling our ISIS assets so they stop running away ?
Is ISIS running away or dispersing? There is a difference.
TIme to take out Israhell.
Hit them hard and fast over and over, do it on a Saturday night when they are all buggering children and each other.
Why, what happens on Saturday night?
They will fall back and regroup in Langley.
You better go back home before somebody abuses your ass.
Sounds like someone at Langley is butt-hurt, or just jealous.
:)
Looks like a short on Nike stock might be in order.....
The white Nikes that ISIS was told to wear by the CIA so they could see them and not hit them , are now told to be ditched by the CIA.
Sounds like someone at Langley really screwed the pooch when they convinced their bosses to put transponders in each of those tennis shoes so CIA could track their employees.
Bet they didn't expect the Russian hackers would get the files with the identity codes.
Big facepalm time!
As to how effective Russian airstrikes have been. The Russian have several advantages. They operate in direct contact with the Syrian Arab Army. An army that is home based in Syria, and has fought on home soil for over 4 years. Syrian Arab Army knows where ISIS is, because they fight them street by street. Russia has NO friendly terrorists to worry about hitting, they can hit anything the Syrians point them to. And, I have heard from sources in Russia that for years now the Russian Air Forces and other branches have been creating an anti terrorist Air Attack System and munitions. Not planned for a major war, but special weapons built ONLY to engage terrorists in their usual typical lairs and hideouts. Like bombs designed to hit one building, kill everyone inside, but do little to no damage outside the target building. Other bombs and missiles are designed for similar effect. This allows terrorists to die right next to civilian builidings that will remain lightly hit. How far the system is being used in Syria is hard for me to know. But Russian military has admitted they spent considerable money on anti Terrorist systems. Lets give the Russians a couple months and see if the source I have is correct.
I like what you said last week. Took a look at the map of Syria and saw the lush coastal part then mountains , then desert.
I think Russia/Syria should give up on trying to save all of Syria and just concentrate on the Mountains westward to the sea.
And then start working with Lebanon because there is no doubt the ZioNazis of Israel are planning another attack on Lebanon so they can steal more land.
Yes, Syria considered this plan as a last ditch worst case scenario. Given the worst, they can retreat into a definsible area and hold coastal ports.
You are full of shit, in general. Russian sources told you, eh? Why dont you stick to lecturing scientists in the fine points of fusion power, your main expertise among the other 1000 topics you are an expert on? Hedgeless Horseman could give you a hand while posting more pictures of his cow titties.
Nobody cares about the desert parts. They are empty and have always been empty. No one is holding them or fighting for deserts except for the patches that have oil. The only cities in the desert are on the banks of the euphrates, like Raqqa. How amusing you and dutchboy are so excited at having learned some features of Syrian geography and pretend to be privy to seecret war strategies.
The same could be said about Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel. The desert parts are empty. Why would any population bigger than a nomad tribe live in a desert hundreds of miles away from any river?
Don't talk to the erudite Jack Burton that way . . .
He is an exemplary example of the typical Putin-butkisser here.
You might offend many of the Libertarian jack-offs on ZH.
He is an erudite. He has sources and knows Syria´s last ditch scenario plans. He posts babes as his avatar pictures, whats not to like?
WTF is with the mutual ass-licking with you guys? Can't you PM instead? It's always the same crap..."Aw, they're just sexually-repressed kids in their parents' basement." Yadda yadda yadda ad hominem attacks....at least contribute to the discussion or argue your position. And, no shit Sherlock, we know it's not all black-and-white; no one wants to read or write a f'in white paper to get their point across. Surprise us by trying to stay on topic.
My position is that Jack Burton is full of shit.
You don't get out much do you? Sad.
Spot on, six to nine months ago he was busy hollerin' constantly in every post that the western attack on Ukraine, was a preparatory phase to a certain and pending nuclear strike on Russia, which he knew all about, of course.
Prove it. You can not. Show me any post that says " western attack on Ukraine, was a preparatory phase to a certain and pending nuclear strike on Russia,"
Since you can't, then I don't expect to hear from you.
Liars are cheap fucks.
Oh really? But in January and Feb this year you were repeatedly pushing that sort of line.
Below is a post where you explicitly describe the preparatory setup for, and I quote: "waging an all out war on Russia, to allow the USA to then pivot to Asia and destroy China ".
Well an "all out war" on either of those countries could only ever be nuclear, but because you are a propagandizing little Russian troll shit, or just a plain dimwit, you want to pretend within the post below that such a military conflict would be conventional! hahaha! And yet elsewhere you say the exact reverse, that any such conventional attack would become immediately nuclear the moment such a force invaded Russian territory.
Moron!
And you kept on pumping that sort of idiotic pro-Moscow western military attack narrative for its propaganda troll value for months. And zh is not the only place you did it, you did it under the name "James Burton" elsewhere, as well.
You even claimed this:
hahaha! So you're a lunatic and a retard. Hilarious stuff, but only because it's so utterly neurotic, irrational and totally pathetic.
And despite the fact that the US Army had been withdrawing its forces from the ME and sending them home to the US and downsizing the US army, after they had already deeply drawn-down their forces in Europe, during the preceding 12 years of ME warfare, you still claim they were about to attack Moscow with a land force!
hahaha!
You're a complete idiot!
The US and NATO have taken most of a year to generate the combat forces needed and bring them up to combat proficiency and readiness, and move them into the Eastern European states to merely guard them from Russian attack! And a small force it is!
But that's the mighty army (juggernaut!!!) you claim was poised to invade takeover Russia! hahaha!!
OMG you are a fucking moron!
Well here's the sort of stupid crap you were peddling 9 month ago:
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And here's my reply to your deranged assertions at that time:
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But on and on you went with that warped "western military attack on Russia" theme, for months, when absolutely none of it made any rational sense at all, it was all a pure spew of Russian ultra-nationalist propaganda pap and nothing else.
But why should anyone be surprised? That is what you constantly wallow in, right 'Jack'?
The people who listen to your dreary Voice of Moscow claptrap are people far too dumb and/or 100% polarized by fear-propaganda, such as the bereft total swill you pedal, to parse the issues for themselves, and maintain a basic sense of proportions and mental balance.
Since when do Russians give a fart about civilian casualties? They don't seem to have a problem killing civilians in Ukrane.
get lost goat
Hey fuckface, idiot, its your NeoNazi Kiev buddies that have been doing all the killing
You are a brainwashed shithead.
Noodles on the ears.
Well are barking, the dog of Pavlov. Change the template, that is worn out.
" And, I have heard from sources in Russia that for years now the Russian Air Forces and other branches have been creating an anti terrorist Air Attack System and munitions. Not planned for a major war, but special weapons built ONLY to engage terrorists in their usual typical lairs and hideouts."
Jack Burton, if your information is correct, one might wonder why the USA, that has been going on and on about their "War on Terror" since 2001, hasn't developed anti-terrorist weapons of its own.
That might be because we've been busy creating them for the excuse to invade/destabilize countries. So far so good - Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia...so many countries just "ripe for democracy".
You could well be correct about the use of small precision bombs by the RuAF but it seems they are using a lot of dumb bombs and especially the guided 500Kg HE fragmentation bomb as appropriate for the target.
The chat on Russian sites is that it is pointless to drop expensive munitions when cheap and cheerful can do as well. The targets seem to be extremes, hardened command centres/stores and open surface areas. It is fairly clear that ISIS and its controllers had no idea that this was coming and were/are in effect a bit of a sitting duck.
It must have been a bit of a shock for all those volunteers that flooded in from Western Europe without any military training, expecting an easy ride across the country raping and pillaging on the way. Looks like many will find that the virgins in Heaven are already taken.
With SU-34's bombing the every loving dog shit out of these CIA trained, liver eating motherfuckers, and S-300's keeping the skys free of Western meddling, this thing might just meet the 3-4 month Russian time table. Let's hope so. After this I can think of a few more projects that Russia, China et al might want to take a look at.
After the Russians and Iranians, Chinese troops reportedly are teaming up with the Syrian regime forces in what is being termed as the deal that will allow President Bashar al-Assad to stay in power.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/chinese-troops-join-russian-marines-syria-soon-...
I'd like to see official Chinese statements on that claim before believing it. If true, it would be huge.
Obama and gevernment including Nulland and the western allies must be fumming, these murderous hypocrites!
We should demand justice and oblige all those who concotted together to be tried for war crimes against humanity.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
Difference between US rules of engagement compared to Russias rules of engagement make all the difference. When the US airforce goes out hunting ISIS, they are not allowed to attack any targets if even one civilian is in the area. When Russian planes find their target, they could care less about collateral damage. Its the same way for our ground troops.We lost many good soldiers because of Obama's insane rules of engagement. When our troops were under fire and called in air support, they were denied often because civilians might be killed if the fighters targeted the enemy. Obama has much American blood on his hands because of his childish, idiotic rules of engagement.
bs, you are insane and a liar
Well said Omega_Man. Oh, love your movie by the way!
"When the US airforce goes out hunting ISIS, they are not allowed to attack any targets if even one civilian is in the area."
I guess the same policy isn't in effect in Afghanistan
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/us-bombs-afghanistan-hospital-k...
or for its allies
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/airstrikes-us-ally-have-killed-...
US Rules of Engagement are not something civilians are notified of. But given the body count of civilians in the Drone Programs alone, where 41 militants targets resulted in 1,400+ dead civilians whould seem to be counter to what you say ARE OFFICIAL US rules of enagagement.
Poster is just making shit up to fit his worldview. Typical of about half or more of ZHers.
@foxmuldar
I guess the same rules of engagement led to the MSF hostpital destruction in Kunduz Afghanistan. Or the bombing of a wedding party by the Sauds who were fed American targeting data.
Over 500,000 dead Iraqis, thousands of civ victims of drone campaigns and thousands of dead lybians prove you wrong.
GTFO.
Yes those rules of engagement, grandma Maddy Albright said so.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahghrghrghghghfghfhf...
You mean ... like Kundus?
It's like you guys aren't even trying anymore...
Because the entire facade has been shattered, and all they have left is the repetition of the same lie.
US Army just allowed to drone wedding perties and sheep herders to smithereens?
"they are not allowed to attack any targets if even one civilian is in the area.
how about hospitals in Afghanistan?
never trust an American
or Brit. I have worked with all nationalites here in Europe. Better not ever turn your back on a Yank or Brit
Most trustworthy? IMHO Germans
Yeah, that German car emission data proves your point. Totally trustworthy.
You ever worked with Germans? Ever been to Germany?
I bet not.
Yeah, I was there last week. Visit probably 6 times a year. What about you?
Speaking about Germany I see Lutz Bachmann (Pegida) is being charged with racial hatred for calling the 'slimes "livestock" and "scum" on Facebook posts in 2014. Why does Germany prosecute people for telling the truth?
Because they can.
German companies I.E. Siemans, Mercedes, Volks, Continental et al are the most corrupt companies on earth. I know, I've dealt with all of them
The 2nd tier. Monsanto is 1st tier evil.
"never trust an American"
Especially if that American is a Jew.
Now can we send the refugees back?
Sorry, After enjoying the lush life of clean water, 24/7 bars and booze, and plenty of Blonde-Blue eyed long-legged German and Swedish babes, these "refugees" ain't never returning to their caves, sand dunes and cloaked women.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/efaisalz/syokkahwin/0_62_nordegre...
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070315&t=2&i=470810&w=6...
http://www.ssqq.com/travel/images/rhine2015x120.jpg
You forgot to mention the free wifi.
the last pix, priceless; I'd emigrate there just to meet her
Well, Russia certainly is making the US military look like the bunch of moronic, mad monkeys on bath salts that they are...somebody needs to tell the US pilots [Israeli pilots also] that hospitals are NOT valid targets under ANY circumstances....
US military are pussies that have to have AAFES outlets , USO shows and cookies from Mommy, before they can start figting.