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U.S. Bombs Afghanistan Hospital, Kills At Least 9 Doctors And 3 Children, Calls It "Collateral Damage"
Update 2: the death toll has risen to 16, including 9 hospital staffers and 3 children.
UPDATE: At least 16 people died- nine MSF staff, 7 patients from Intensive care unit, among them three children http://t.co/5puRbAlgXS
— Doctors w/o Borders (@MSF_USA) October 3, 2015
Update: and now the UN is getting involved, which means the US will have to spend even more taxpayer funds on bribes to make the "international community" forget this collateral damage incident and refocus on evil Russia.
#BREAKING: Kunduz air strikes 'inexcusable', 'possibly criminal': UN rights chief
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) October 3, 2015
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for US foreign policy, or for the credibility of the US state department to slide further, it got much worse.
Less than a day after US ambassador to the UN, uber-warhawk Samantha Power informed Russia of the latest US foreign policy stance by tweeter, when she called "on Russia to immediately cease attacks on Syrian oppo[sition and] civilians" in the latest desperate attempt to halt the Russian campaign against US-created ISIS which may wipe out the terrorist threat in just a few short days, it was the US itself which admitted that early on Saturday the US airforce bombed an Afghan hospital run by the medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres, or Doctors without Borders, in the Afghan city of Kunduz in an air strike that killed at least nine people and wounded 37.
It is w/ deep sadness that we confirm so far the death of 9 @MSF staff from bombing last night of MSF’s hospital in Kunduz. 37 Wounded.
— Jason Cone (@jtcone1977) October 3, 2015
As the Executive Director, of Doctors without Borders Jason Cone tweeted, "all parties 2 conflict, including in Kabul & Washington, were clearly informed of precise GPS Coordinates of @MSF facilities in Kunduz" and that the "precise location of @MSF Kunduz hospital communicated to all parties on multiple occasions over past months, including on 9/29."
In other words, this morning's US bombing was nothing more than another example of the utter incompetence, carelessness and disregard for innocent civilian lives that has become a staple hallmark of US foreign policy, something we have already witnessed repeatedly in the past 6 years as a result of the thousands of innocent people dead as part of US drone attacks, also known as "collateral damage."
The attack, which started at 2:15am local time, took place when almost 200 patients and employees were in the hospital, the only one in the region that can deal with major injuries, Medecins Sans Frontieres said.
The aftermath of the US bombing:
At the aid group's bombed-out hospital, one wall of a building had collapsed, scattering fragments of glass and wooden door frames, and three rooms were ablaze, said Saad Mukhtar, director of public health in Kunduz.
A video of the aftermath was also released moments ago:
"Thick black smoke could be seen rising from some of the rooms," Mukhtar said after a visit to the hospital. "The fighting is still going on, so we had to leave."
"We are deeply shocked by the attack, the killing of our staff and patients and the heavy toll it has inflicted on healthcare in Kunduz," the aid group's operations director, Bart Janssens, said in a statement.
"I could hear sounds of heavy gunfire, explosions and airplanes throughout the night," said Khodaidad, who has only one name. "There were several huge explosions and it sounded like the roof was falling on me."
As expected, Doctors without Borders was furious after the attack:
1/ MSF condemns in the strongest possible terms the horrific bombing of its hospital in Kunduz full of staff and patients.
— Jason Cone (@jtcone1977) October 3, 2015
Worse, as Cone adds, the US bombing raid "continued for >30 minutes after American & Afghan military officials in Kabul & Washington first informed of proximity to hospital." Not only was the US bombardment uncalled for, but it continued long after supervisors were made aware they should call it off.
Perhaps the only thing the US military got right was admitting it was responsible for this latest murder of innocent civilians, when it issued a statement acknowledging that it carried out airstrikes, claimed they were conducted "against individuals threatening the force," and conceded that "the strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility."
Oh well, oops?
Meanwhile the drama at the hospital continues:
Many @MSF patients & staff remain unaccounted for. #s keep + as we develop clearer picture of the aftermath of horrific bombing in Kunduz.
— Jason Cone (@jtcone1977) October 3, 2015
While the US tried to justify its latest murder of innocents by supposedly engaging the Taliban, a spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said U.S. air strikes targeted the hospital, killing killed patients, doctors and nurses adding that "no militant fighter was a patient" the group said. The U.S. military has unleashed twelve air strikes this week in support of government forces in the city. Most airstrikes hit targets on the city's outskirts and the overnight strike was only the second in a central area, the military said.
MSF said it had treated almost 400 patients in the 150-bed hospital since fighting broke out, most for gunshot wounds.
So many patients have flooded in that the hospital has had to put them in offices and on mattresses on the floor. The International Committee of the Red Cross said it was "deeply shocked" by the incident.
"This is an appalling tragedy," said Jean-Nicolas Marti, head of the ICRC in Afghanistan. "Such attacks undermine the capacity of humanitarian organizations to assist the Afghan people at a time when they most urgently need it."
As Glenn Greenwald points out, "it’s impossible to fathom what the U.S. media would be saying and doing if Russia did something like this in Syria. By contrast, the reaction to this airstrike by their own government will be muted and filled with apologia, ironically quite similar to the widely vilified caricature of Jeb Bush’s comments about the Oregon shooting spree: stuff happens."
It's quite possible to "fathom" what the "objective" US media's reaction to this horrific tragedy will be: utter silence. Which, however will not be the reaction from the rest of the world, which with every passing day realizes that when it comes to Pax American, the only this that matters for the Obama administration is appeasing his generous backers from the US military industrial complex which just happen to arm all sides in the conflict. That and the banks who provide the loans, of course.
However, when it comes to the now four-year-long attempt by the US to pass a Qatar gas pipeline under Syria, even if it means crushing the nation, destroying its economy, and unleashing the worst refugee wave in European history, one thing is clear: the US has just lost any US credibility when it comes to criticizing Putin's or anyone else's "attacks on civilians."
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And doctors...
I'm waiting for Obama to announce a need for common sense gun control measures for US citizens to prevent this sort of SNAFU from happening again. "No other developed western nation has this many hospital bombings..."
Closing the "gun show loophole" will fix everything.
there is a guy in my neighborhood that has a "gun show" in the trunk of his car every week. He told me he don't need no stinkin' loophole
Exactly what I was thinking...
It's obviously that damned 2nd Amendment that drives the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack “(I'm) really good at killing people” Obama to slaughter thousands of innocent people around the world.
Moar body bags on order. It's a brisk business.
A brisk business is real estate in the MIC/DC area also. House prices there literally never go down.
Don't take the bait! There is no way to ever verify this.
True ... babies and incubators. Only, now we are supposed to hate ourselves. The game is accelerating. They want us emotionally and morally defenseless.
We are not the US government and those who work for the government can still be saved.
What do you mean? The spokesperson has acknowledged it and called it collateral damage.
We know for a fact that the US government tends to hide its mistakes, secrets and evil acts. They do not like to publish and acknowledge anything that might weaken their position.
So, when they do, they are doing it for another reason.
I think you need to take this in a global context and also take into consideration what is going on in Syria and the Ukraine. The US has seemingly been designated the new evil that must be destroyed. This has nothing to do with the American people and everything to do with the US government and the controllers of the US government. We will be the collateral damage.
Why is this necessary? Beats me. I cannot comprehend the motivations of evil... do they think this will strengthen humanity or do they think that it will weaken us and make us easier to control? ... or possibly both in some bifurcated way.
Yeah, sure. The Romans said the same thing as the barbarian tribes swept over the borders. "Damn, those barbarians are trying to make us look bad, like we are incompetent or something." The truth is the American experiment has evolved to the point that we are incompetent. Time for a serious shake up.
Why did the so called barbarians attack Rome?
And the lesson from this that we learn is that when you go around poking sleeping bears with sticks, eventually the bears will take offense and if you poke enough of them hard enough the bears might get together and try to stop you from using the stupid stick.
The US government, like the Roman government has been poking sticks into lots and lots of bears.
But, I reiterate, it is not the US people who have been poking bears with sticks, it is the US government. So obviously the US government does not represent the US people when it pokes bears with sticks.
The way our system of government is supposed to work is that you, as a citizen of the Republic have responsibilities you are supposed to exercise, and you don't. Hence the failure of our system.
Somewhere the government got hijacked. Maybe it always was, maybe with Lincoln, maybe with the Federal Reserve.
The government does not represent the people. It is an entity in and of itself.
conscious cunt
>>>Why did the so called barbarians attack Rome?
Why did Willie Sutton rob banks?
Our hard earned tax dollars at work.
So I guess American taxpayers will be rebuilding a hospital in Afghanistan...think $100M+...because only the best construction and medical equipment for (the U.S.) war ravaged Afghanistan. Good time to be in the hospital rebuilding business.
How will they rebuild the dead doctors, staff and patients?
So, this article is asking us to ask the question of whether there can be any doubt that the US government is under the power of an evil and pervasive force.
One thing for certain is that the people of the US absolutely cannot take responsibility for the acts of its government. We are not responsible for its actions. It is apart and separate from us.
... and then we should probably pray for its redemption and that those who are captive under its power wake up and come to their senses and ask for forgiveness. No one is beyond redemption. Those who have been forced to commit evil acts in the service of the government CAN be saved. They do not have to dedicate themselves to a future of evil, no matter what their masters say.
Bullshit! The U.S people are responsible for the actions of their government. The U.S. government gets away with its crimes because we allow it to.
@Dr. I gonna have to disagree with you. Most of the US population is so unaware of what their elected officials are doing, and if something goes fubar, they have the propoganda machines to spin such bullshit as 'collateral damage'. Fortunately a lot more people are waking up and can see hrough the BS.
I wouldnt say we are responsible, just unaware. The day of the rope is certainly approaching however.
Ignorance is never an excuse. It's incumbent upon the population to stay informed and not distracted. We have more information at our fingertips than ever before, but the general population is more concerned with selfies and playing the latest video game.
Bullshit.
Why should we be forced to control every psychopath on the planet? We are our brothers' keeper, not their judge, jury and executioner.
The US people do not elect their president, or their congress critters. They cast votes for paper cutouts who say one things and do another. We have no real choices.
The only choice that YOU are giving us is to organize against the US government and fight an armed rebellion and overthrow of them. That is insane.
We are not responsible for the US government. THEY ARE SEPARATE AND APART FROM US.
that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government, laying it's foundation on such principles, & organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety & happiness.
Learn your history.
Yes ... and Machiavelli would agree that a prince needs the consent of the people.
We can deny consent by disavowing the US government. We cannot change the government.
Learn your history ... and what really works. If we play their game we lose everything, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They will put us into not only more wars of aggression, but will get us killed in a global war.
There are many ways to withhold consent but I'll bet some of the loudest complainers here consent everyday by participating in their game
Guilty as charged. I know I am a hypocrite. I pay taxes, obey laws etc. I have even put my kids into the system and not tainted them with my idiosyncrasies.
So fuck off then. Withdraw your consent. Don't participate. Too difficult? Then expect consequences, moral and otherwise.
Finally, a real, thinking troll. Well stated! Eaten any billy goats recently?
We have finally gotten to the crux of the issue, haven't we? The weakness is an exposed sore.
Confirmation in the form of a down vote ... thank you. So much anger, so much fear.
On the bright side, even the patriots over at "Free Republic" seem to be smelling a rat in US Mideast "policy".
Given the depths of Murcan Exceptionalism that typically hold/held sway there, I'd say that was a harbinger of greater awareness (i.e. of what US foreign policy is all about).
Right! Half of us are frikkin tv zombies and cannot fathom what an independent thought is, let alone think outside the box. Ive seen more and more waking up though, and once were all awake the shitstorm begins, or were just droned to death
A coward dies a thousand deaths.
Who is the coward? Is it the person who kills innocent people because he is afraid of innocent people or are the innocent people cowards because they will not kill to save their lives?
Yep, today it's easier than ever to stay informed. Doesn't even take a lot of time and you can read several views
Don't blame me. I wrote a strongly worded letter to my senator. I'm sure he'll get this bullshit straightened out quickly.
That reminds me... the only letter I ever wrote to all three of my CongressVermin was to urge them not to rubber-stamp Bush's invasion of Iraq.
Ha, ha, ha! Still, for some weird reason, I'm glad I sat down and did it....
Well said Doc! We have exactly the government we deserve because not enough of us "citizens"(that is you I am talking to, Sheep & Ostrich's of America) have gotten up off their keisters and demanded in a very loud and resonating voice as one, saying enough dear leaders.
When enough "citizens" decide that these kind of issues are more important than the Kardashians, Caitlain, The Voice, Dancing With The Stars, football, fantasy leagues and Honey BooBoo, then and only then, will they be able to effect change...
"Only YOU can prevent forest fires"...well let tell you, there are fires burning out of control in every form of gubbermint, from federal, state, city, township and local right now because the "citizens" struck the match by letting it happen...Taking personal responsibility for ones self, actions, and consequences of inaction, has almost gone extinct from the "citizens" of the
USA...USA...USA...we are not number one any more sadly, we have become the butt of jokes around the world because of it.
The U.S.is a democracy,whereby the citizens vote in who they want to reperesent them and speak for them (That's what a democracy is!) So whatever the U.S.gov does is exactly what it's citizens want it to do...ergo U.S.gov = U.S. General Public...
Sound harsh?
Tough shit, stop voting in Neo-con warmongering fucking retards, then maybe, just maybe, the rest of the world won't see you as a bunch of warmongering, neo-con, fucking retards.
Still won't work, all you will do is prove the constitution is flawed, there is no clause that states if just 1% of the population votes, the votes are invalid. So the 1% could vote themselves in, and then continue the same policys to enrich themselves at the expense of the 99%. Constitutional convention bitches, coming to a state near you soon.
Its a start. One step at a time. Next, stop interacting with corrupt banks, stop paying taxes. There are ways to do it. Well, that might be difficult you will say. Yeah, standing up and being a righteous person might be difficult. You make the choice everyday. Live with it. I cannot.
Well actually no. A democracy is where it is one person, one vote on everything. It is a great system for tribal organizations of about 150 people max... not so good for 300+ million people.
What you are describing is a republic. It is what we "possibly" used to have when the people who were elected actually represented the people and before things like the Federal Reserve and the War Powers Act. It is what we had when the constitution was amended through the amendment process and not through executive order and supreme court whim.
This wouldn't have gone unanswwered in the 60's and 70's. Where are those college protests nowadays?
Instead, we have our own war going on with nut-cases with weapons killing innocent ne'r-do-wells!
Ah, for the good ole days!
Right, in the 60s people were sucked in by the Psyops.
Where is code pink?
They were everywhere when Bush was president, even hanging at his ranch, protesting war.
For Obama...not so much...or not at all. Tell me that the antiwar groups are not first and foremost political in nature, just as women's rights groups and race baiters. Again, as with the radical Islamists, they are more than willing to abandon their principles and sacrifice their supposed constituency, to advance their greater goals. The ends ALWAYS justify the means.
Is that like debbie does dallas at the bush ranch with the pitch fork?
Sorry bout that, just could'nt contain myself.
Those college kids who would protest are too busy signing up for drone school so they can have a job to pay their student loans off before THEY die.
it's because Doctors without border is clearly a terrorist organization (under the US doctrine of 'if we killed them and they're dead then they were terrorists') compared to our moderate al-queda freedom fighters friends in syria
We've always been at war with Doctors without borders
Such faggotry.
"The Bravery of being out of Range" Roger Waters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GlrU7h8E9Y
You have a natural tendency
To squeeze off a shot
You're good fun at parties
You wear the right masks
You're old but you still
Like a laugh in the locker room
You can't abide change
You're at home on the range
You opened your suitcase
Behind the old workings
To show off the magnum
You deafened the canyon
A comfort a friend
Only upstaged in the end
By the Uzi machine gun
Does the recoil remind you
Remind you of sex
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer, who you gonna kill next
I looked over Jordan and what did I see
Saw a U.S. Marine in a pile of debris
I swam in your pools
And lay under your palm trees
I looked in the eyes of the Indian
Who lay on the Federal Building steps
And through the range finder over the hill
I saw the front line boys popping their pills
Sick of the mess they find
On their desert stage
And the bravery of being out of range
Yeah the question is vexed
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer who you gonna kill next
Hey bartender over here
Two more shots
And two more beers
Sir, turn up the TV sound
The war has started on the ground
Just love those laser guided bombs
They're really great
For righting wrongs
You hit the target
And win the game
From bars 3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim
With the bravery of being out of range
We strafe the train
With the bravery of being out of range
We gain terrain
With the bravery of being out of range
With the bravery of being out of range
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range
There is Evil under the Grand Old Flag
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor ... between political parties either, but right through every human heart. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart"
- some old white guy
I love the insanity in the articles on the MSM condemning Russian air strikes in Syria. They quote US officials saying that the air strikes will fuel extremism and interfere with driving out ISIS. But no one asks those same U.S. officials what the U.S. policy has been to defeat ISIS -- air strikes!
>>> Samantha Power should have a pipe bomb shoved up her twat.
>>> Samantha Power should get a Nobel Peace Prize.
The Nobel Peace Prize would be larger than a pipe. It even comes in a fancy display box.
Dropping bombs is for cowards. If you want to take someone out put some boots on the ground and go take them out. At least then you will know who to kill since they will be shooting at you.
No one is looking for a fair fight. If engaged in battle we all want to win. We will ultimately abandon all principles when push comes to shove, or perish with our precious.
That is a stupid statement from a video game warrior. This is not the Old West with a gunfight at noon. This is war. Both sides want a totally unfair advantage to win. We levelled whole cities in WWII as did the enemy.
Mad world where "the civilized" pump lead from high up into the innocent including the doctors and wounded; all the while they blame their political enemies of pumping lead into the "good" Al Qaeda Jihadists !
So whats the pecking order for "collateral" damage ?
1° Doctors and wounded?
2° Groom and bridesmaid?
3° Anybody, everybody, women and children, in line of fire for having a neighbour who is suspect?
4° "Dirty" secular government army regulars?
5° Dirtier Jihadists on payroll of allies?
All this planned from some bunker where the concrete is one mile deep.
9/11 = shit happens. it all depends on WHO the shit happens to.
americans do not care that "their own government"
did 9/11 and then covered it up, then went on
to murder a million or so innocent people
living on financially important geography and resources
in the middle east area, all to support their
fiat debt servitude and murder punishment syste
they call "money. ..
the sick and wounded, the doctors without borders
don't stand a chance in this environment. the media
will eat them up and poop them out like baby snacks.
.
Tom Waits - Who Are You This Time (live 1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE64wpwYpU8
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-washington-against-russia-bombing-is...
Why is Washington Against Russia Bombing ISIS and Al-Qaeda?
By Daniel McAdams
"..The US has been bombing Syria for a year without permission from the Syrian government and without a UN Security Council resolution authorizing an attack on a sovereign nation. That means US strikes on Syrian soil are illegal according to international law. However the first US response to the Russian strikes against ISIS in Syria was to condemn the Russian government for not coordinating its strikes with the US.
Unsurprisingly, the US mainstream media once again rushed to carry water for the US administration, with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour pondering whether Russia answering the legitimate Syrian government’s request for assistance would open itself up to war crimes charges! In Amanpour’s world there is no crime in a year of bombing a sovereign state with not even a fig leaf UN resolution to back it up. The only crime is to resist the US empire. No wonder in a world of media austerity, Amanpour is a well-compensated regime propagandist.
Rather than welcoming Russian efforts against ISIS and al-Qaeda, the US claims that unless Russia also focuses on removing the Assad government from power its efforts are “doomed to failure.” The US claims to be concerned that the Russians are attacking the “moderate” Syrian rebels trained by the United States — but even US generals have admitted that group consists of a grand total of four or five individuals. So it’s hard to understand the sudden concern. Each new batch of “moderates” the US churns out seems to defect to al-Qaeda or ISIS within minutes of deployment in Syria.
What is interesting is that the US-led coalition dropping bombs on Syria for the past year has yet to even consider the mounting civilian body count from its attacks. Not a word from the US government about large numbers of civilians it has killed in Syria. Yet there is plenty of evidence that the civilian toll taken by American bombs is exceedingly high. The moment the Russians join the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, however, the US suddenly becomes obsessed with civilian deaths — even as no evidence has arisen aside from suspicious reports from opposition-friendly “human rights” organizations that any civilians have been killed in the first day of Russian strikes.
What “evidence” exists of civilian casualties in the Russian strikes comes from the war machine funded Institute for the Study of War (ISW), headed by Victoria Nuland‘s sister-in-law Kimberly Kagan. ISW’s Genevieve Casagrande — a former dolphin expert who quite frankly does not look like a seasoned foreign policy expert — claimed to know that Russia’s airstrikes ”did not hit ISIS militants and rather resulted in a large number of civilian casualties.” Based on what? Only the unquestioning mainstream media could tell us. But of course they do not." ...
americans do not care that "their own government"
did 9/11 and then covered it up, then went on
to murder a million or so innocent people
living on financially important geography and resources
in the middle east area, all to support their
fiat debt servitude and murder punishment syste
they call "money. ..
the sick and wounded, the doctors without borders
don't stand a chance in this environment. the media
will eat them up and poop them out like baby snacks.
.
Tom Waits - Who Are You This Time (live 1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE64wpwYpU8
.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-washington-against-russia-bombing-is...
Why is Washington Against Russia Bombing ISIS and Al-Qaeda?
By Daniel McAdams
"..The US has been bombing Syria for a year without permission from the Syrian government and without a UN Security Council resolution authorizing an attack on a sovereign nation. That means US strikes on Syrian soil are illegal according to international law. However the first US response to the Russian strikes against ISIS in Syria was to condemn the Russian government for not coordinating its strikes with the US.
Unsurprisingly, the US mainstream media once again rushed to carry water for the US administration, with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour pondering whether Russia answering the legitimate Syrian government’s request for assistance would open itself up to war crimes charges! In Amanpour’s world there is no crime in a year of bombing a sovereign state with not even a fig leaf UN resolution to back it up. The only crime is to resist the US empire. No wonder in a world of media austerity, Amanpour is a well-compensated regime propagandist.
Rather than welcoming Russian efforts against ISIS and al-Qaeda, the US claims that unless Russia also focuses on removing the Assad government from power its efforts are “doomed to failure.” The US claims to be concerned that the Russians are attacking the “moderate” Syrian rebels trained by the United States — but even US generals have admitted that group consists of a grand total of four or five individuals. So it’s hard to understand the sudden concern. Each new batch of “moderates” the US churns out seems to defect to al-Qaeda or ISIS within minutes of deployment in Syria.
What is interesting is that the US-led coalition dropping bombs on Syria for the past year has yet to even consider the mounting civilian body count from its attacks. Not a word from the US government about large numbers of civilians it has killed in Syria. Yet there is plenty of evidence that the civilian toll taken by American bombs is exceedingly high. The moment the Russians join the fight against ISIS and al-Qaeda in Syria, however, the US suddenly becomes obsessed with civilian deaths — even as no evidence has arisen aside from suspicious reports from opposition-friendly “human rights” organizations that any civilians have been killed in the first day of Russian strikes.
What “evidence” exists of civilian casualties in the Russian strikes comes from the war machine funded Institute for the Study of War (ISW), headed by Victoria Nuland‘s sister-in-law Kimberly Kagan. ISW’s Genevieve Casagrande — a former dolphin expert who quite frankly does not look like a seasoned foreign policy expert — claimed to know that Russia’s airstrikes ”did not hit ISIS militants and rather resulted in a large number of civilian casualties.” Based on what? Only the unquestioning mainstream media could tell us. But of course they do not." ...
As a general guideline, people named "Kagan" should be shot.
That is all.
Here is the real conundrum - after touting the precision of US laser guided missiles -- did the missiles go astray? Did our intelligence go astray? Or did we really hit something we knew we were aiming at?
With all the superduper american exceptionel hardware,GPS,satelite, drone and what not they say this wasnt intenionally?
Ha.
Responsible people should hang from lamp posts.
The US bombs hospitals in Afghanistan while Saudi Arabia kills over 100 people at a wedding in Yemen.
and they claim to be the "good guys"
I'm glad Bush reminded me they hate us for our freedom....otherwise, I would be thinking their hatred had something to do with these peace keeping efforts.
America, do the rest of the world a big favour. Fuck off and go home, we have had it with your bullying.
The rest of the world.
Go fuck yourself sunshine. Learn to speak Russian, German or Chinese, pansy-ass. Call France the next time your country is overrun.
Fucking Obama now has the unique distinction of being the only Nobel peace prize winner to bomb the shit out of another Nobel peace prize winner.
Didn't Arafat already form that club?
He's trying to win the prize in medicine too....
WE are responsible. WE reelect these murdering savages, election after election after election. WE are, all, mass murderers because WE do nothing about it. WE should be screaming bloody murder to our politicians but we're not.
I haven't elected a general to the Armed Services since Grant.
I am not responsible. I do not elect or re-elect these assholes. I do not pay their taxes.
Likely, you should to take some action, too. Good luck.
Unfortunately it always seems to come to this.
Whether we like it or not we will be FORCED to take sides in order to survive.
Many here justifiably despise what our government has/is doing, which will make it all the worse when the shit really does hit the fan and we find ourselves in someone's sights. We will then discover which side we are on, and it may well come as a surprise.....or not.
Our children forced to fight an enemy our government created and was forced to fight us? What kind of reasoning is that?
Good thing no mules were injured or the repercussions would be endless and we'd likely be out of business.
hey fucktards this is no accident. the americans are letting the french know not to get to cozy with the russians or chinese. it won't work. america has already lost you cannot win by little 'love taps' in afghanistan on doctors without borders.
it's going to take a few mysterious factory explosions in france to make an impact.
I'll bet they never accidently bombed the poppy fields
Post of an average American after reading about this, goes to show how much concern there is in the land of the free:
"When they work inside war zones, they assume their own safety. Those doctors without borders bring back diseases they are exposed to and expect to be treated here. Well, if you are going to play in the fire, expect to get burned. So take your USA bashing and stick it where the sun don't shine."
US (government) exceptionalism.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is the FACT that absolutely no one will be held responsible for this abhorrent act. And it'll happen again and again and again.....no wonder the rest of the world, especially in that region, hates our fucking guts.
Some points:
(1) It was definitely not a 'bombing' or 'bombardment', or else the building and hospital would not merely haev some burning rooms, it would not be there at all. Most probably 2 Hellfire missiles or else two rockets were fired from a helicopter, maybe cannon fire.
(2) If they made an air strike they made it within this context, "The U.S. military has unleashed twelve air strikes this week in support of government forces in the city." i.e. they were supporting Afghan ground forces who called for air support and directed an American aircraft to a target, which it then fired on.
(3) So who should have known it was a hospital then? The American pilots, or their commander, or the Afghan ground forces asking for the strike against insurgent attackers, they were apparently actively battling before the Americans fired?
(4) If the fighting or arms fire went on for over half an hour, there's a very good chance the Afghans were in fact fighting insurgents.
(5) Are we seriously expected to believe that doctors or nurses at 2:30 AM in the dark, ina firefight, knew who was firing at who? How would they even know if insurgents went into the hospital grounds, or its buildings, and there continued a firefight with the Afghan Govt ground forces?
(6) You can tell when it's the weekend shift at zh, as the reactive anti-western propaganda bullshit-'O-meter pegs off scale.
Doesnt wash. Coordinates of the hospital were passed to the US.
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Have you considered that the Taliban don't give a damn where they fight, with respect to hospitals, and they might see a hospital as an ideal uban cover in a firefight, and actively plan to utilise it tactically, in that case?
Have you considered if we weren't there,,, there would be no fighting,,, at least involving the u.s government?
" the Taliban don't give a damn where they fight "
And so it appears, neither do you. PS How's the heroin trafficking (now up to 90% of the entire world production in Afghanistan) via Incerlik going?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/heroin-use-grows-u-s-poppy-crops-thriv...
I'll put the same question to you also, as you also clearly want to play games and change the subject away from the topic, when practicality impinges on your biases.
So so you think you might one day be able to follow a topic without just resorting to off-topic sophomoric distractions and accusations and making blah-blah to avoid straight talk about the topic itself?
And heroine huh? Gee wizz! ... I hope you don't do that shit! ... but thanks for the random update!
Your kind, that considers everyone else as dinks, gooks and sub humans doesn't get it, do you. You have now given others a causal reason to do the same to you. Silly boy that you are.
He is looking through a government microscope. See's only the fighting. Any mention of why, when, where or how is off topic and your an idiot. (lol)
It's more of that USA, USa, usa shit.
No dipshit, it's basic examining of CLAIMS against EVIDENCE, to see if there is any FACTS to support the CONCLUSIONS and the ACCUSATIONS being made, or not.
But you just keep pretending the world works according to your special feelings, and deep sense of moral self-justification for willful utter stupidity and your cowardice and wish to runaway from things that you might find a little too disconcerting to process, cute little moron.
shill of zion
Is that a theory?
I don't care at all what people think of me. Stop making excuses for what a gutless person you are, you want to avoid the topic you took part in, and now want to wallow in your self-pity and emotionalism, of needing acceptance and support, as it is so wise 'n stuff. Whatever, you're a shallow little hypocrite though.
He's not a silly boy, he's a fucking moron...one of the U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A crowd..
...but we've got more nukes than you and we've got 8,000 aircraft carriers and 20 million marines...but, but, but..
fucking cretin, the U.S. couldn't or didn't want to, beat 19 Arabs with boxcutters 15 years ago, they couldn't beat their way out of a paper bag...
Element , Message, Falconflight...all sucking each others cocks in between posts...
FUCK oFF fag boys....
Hey troll dickwad, the Afghan Govt just finished saying about 15 Taliban were discovered taking shelter in a hospital building, and they were all killed in the ensuing battle and eventual air strike.
Which is basically what I said was likely what occurred.
So there you go, ignorant little troll retard.
That's called addressing the topic - something trolls and morons always avoid.
@pliskin
I have seen people, in their ignorance, commit suicide twice.
Much cleaner in print.
What are you, Nubian, maybe 16? You write like a grade schooler. Make a case like you see in the movies. It's called evidence and reason. You can use deductive or inductive but try at least one of them.
Did you miss this part?:
Perhaps the only thing the US military got right was admitting it was responsible for this latest murder of innocent civilians, when it issued a statement acknowledging that it carried out airstrikes, claimed they were conducted "against individuals threatening the force," and conceded that "the strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility."
No I didn't miss it, I don't see how it changes what I wrote.
Q: What 'force' was being 'threatened'?
A: The Afghan Govt ground force.
Q: Where was that force threatened.
A: Turns out it was apparently at a medical facility.
And keep in mind that the bulk of such a firefight was being done by Afghans and those they were engaged with.
People are much too quick to jump to conclusions, and are definitely not interested in finding out what really happened. They are even less interested in the fact that they may never know what happened. Always an immediate rush to judgment and prejudicial comments and assumptions. We actually don't know what occurred here, at all.
But let's pretend we know, it's nice to press the anti-western bias button and presume the Afghans and Taliban had nothing to do with it, it was all just the evil Americans.
You are so right! Especially #6 in your first post.
Yes Xavi, any thinking person should be "anti western propaganda bullshit."
We went into Afghanistan to retrieve OBL but could never find his secret cave or cell tower.
Then we decided we would stay and show the Afghans how a real democracy operates and run out the Taliban.
14 years later we are still fighting the Taliban and guarding the precious CIA poppy fields the Taliban eliminated,,, the real reason we went there.
While your playing power point and war games people are dying that never invited us or our system.
Ya think it might be possible for you to one day follow a topic without just resorting to off-topic sophomoric blah-blah?
Oh, the little blah-blahs are just wonderful though, really! I didn't know that! Thanks so much for the updates!
FUCK OFF back to CNN you fucking clown, no-one here at ZH is buying your bullshit!
Night, night...tatty bye....
I don't take advice from obvious Russian trolls 'Pliskin', go fuck yourself if you're incapable of dealing with or addressing the topic, petty arse-wipe.
If you take the US out of the equation, there wouldn't be war ANYWHERE in the world today.
When the US left after the Russian pull out at the end of the cold war, they were gone almost immediately, and in that vacuum the Taliban grew and took over the whole country. The American CIA and advisors were there in the 1980s at the invite of the Pakistanis, to assist the removal of the Russians. It was the Russians who went into Afghanistan first, not the Americans - that blows that theory.
How about asking what the fuck are we doing there in the first place?
How about addressing the topic or just shutup and fuck off with your distractions to avoid it? What's wrong, don't want your bloviating one-eyed confirmation biases challenged, want to stay in a comfortable place and weep and pretend for a bit?
A bunch of innocent people were killed by american bombs and you're sounding very much like an apologist for that action.
Fuck you and your exceptional attitude. What a fucking asshole.
Yup, that's a theory. lol :D
You caaaaarrrrreeee!!! .... sssooo much! ... it gives one sympathetic shivers of contrived faux compassion! I'm recommending you to the Nobel committee for an award for fake Russian troll peace-making and selective good-will! :D
Do you even know what you are writing? Either ZH has had a bunch of preteens sign up, government education has totally gone to hell or a neural virus is going through half the readers. The art or even will to reason has been almost completely lost on this thread, in particular.
You are being rational, Element with people who are not interested. I know. I did the same. Your analysis is spot on. Personally, when the details come out most all the conspiracy posters here will be redfaced. Of course, then they will throw in Zionist Jews or some new oppositeville, cover-up to save face.
Just pure incompetence and evil!
I'm so sorry my country has been taken over by demonic despotic Marxist International maggots!!!
Would not have happened to President Ron Paul
Afghanistan only has to realize that these bombs were dropped under the watchful gaze of the Nobel Peace President, then all will be forgiven.
If memory serves, Ron voted for the Afghan incursion.
Never happened
Memory fails, no he did not.
Vid from 2001 to help your "memory"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fN4LIgyGUQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
If this site can be believed, seems he did vote to authorize force against the Taliban in Afghanistan. But he was against it all the way up to the actual vote, switched at the last minute to "yay" due to "staff" issues?? Not sure what the real story was. Flip flopping for him definately seemed out of character, though.
Hey lighten up, there is nothing so sincere as tweeting with "deep sadness".
The Pentagon announced today that a test of the new 'Kinetic Action Permanent Hospital Triage System' ( KAPHUTS ) has received the highest efficiency marks to date.
Simply stated: this is a war crime punishable w jail time. The chain of command and it's operational lawyers should be relieved of command and their military careers ended.
There is a near zero chance they did not know a hospital was at risk. These people are murdering innocents in our name.
Good luck with trying.
All they had to do was put a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in there and then there would be no way in hell Emperor Goebbels would have given permission to bomb via the military.
www.traderzoo.mobi
If you are using Doctors Without Borders you are not insured by ObamaCare evidentely !
Because Obama doesn't care.
Will the president be addressing the public about this latest mass killing?
Geez, another copycat of Oregon's recent school shooter, except this bully survives for another day.
No more disgusting than what Hillary said, "At this point, what difference does it make."
Is there any politician or government agency that really cares?
Killary the Kackling Killer Khunt
Earlier in the week , Obama challenged the main stream media (press) to count up the number of US citizens killed by terrorists versus the number of US citiznes killed by mass shootings in the USA.
He ought to add the number of "collateral" - aka innocent - civilian deaths we have caused in the same time periiod in all the military actions around the world (or just the middle east if the press prefers).
I am a gun owning, CCW licensed, and a supporter of the Second Amendmend though I do not support the NRA due to it's more inviolate positions.
And, like many - and probbaly many here - truly hurt for the victims of mass shootings in the USA and the deaths of "collateral" civilians in our military actions around the world.
This is not an excuse, it's a proposed reason: It is who we have become. Angry and intolerant at home (and much more). Imperialistic abroad. We "teach" on a daily basis that violence is a "top of the list" solution to getting one's way or avenging a slight - whatever.
I dunno the answer except personal resonsibility - and be situationally aware and personally ready. I am for sensible legislation, but have ZERO faith that can be done on the National level (or World level for the imperialism) and slightly more than ZERO faith that can be done on a state or more local level. This kind of thing is an intertwined infection with the same crony democratic-capitalist disease we seem to suffer from.
OK - I'm exposed to the flame thrower - flame away.
Pete
Pete - You hit on the essence of the issue. Our government is run by the bankers since the Act of 1871, when they incorporated the 10-mile area around Washington, DC.
We are appalled by what they do, but are helpless to do anything, unless we all pick up the phones, light up the boards at the offices of their paid lackies and make them very afraid that the natvies are restless.
None of these massacres has done anything for US taxpayers except bankrupt our nation, morally and economically.
We are awake. Now we have to act.
"We collaterally damaged some folks".
The USA had the audacity to tell Russia this week ''You are bombing civilians'.
Obomber, McCain and other slimeballs should be strapped to a chair and made to watch the vile murders of women and children by the Israelis
We have loads of videos and photos.
#WINNING!
the mic is jizzing all over zee place bitchez
half black men dont bomb civies, drones drone civies. so from today forward our drones will be called 'happy boom boom'. end of message
hobble back to your mud hut on the leg you got left and be damn thankful ya got it...!
Here's an idea for a "human interest" story?....
How about someone pull together a documentary/exclusive for the Western world that identifies the drone operators: "Where are they now"?... How many of them are getting along these dayz after a career of video gaming to death real men, women and children in far off lands from the comfort of their own home?
How many of them like the grunts on the ground that took pictures and videos of the rapes, tortures and murders they perpetrated and traded them like baseball cards have actually done the only noble thing left when the pills no longer work and put that .38 or .357 under there chin to help out humanity a little more as well as the bankrupt U.S. taxpayers!
Maybe we could keep score by placing a black ribbon bumper sticker on every vehicle that say's "support the troops that choose to end it"?!!!
Because if your Country is too chicken shit to start from the top for treason... maybe the next best thing is to start with the "muck" of "yes" men and women at the bottom and work your way up!
If one looks into the alleged dark occult beliefs of some of these groups this wouldn't be surprising to them. Remember the cremation of care ceremony where the Bohemian Grove occultists simulated the burning of a bundle resembling a child to a stone owl? It doens't matter if their beliefs are real what matters is that they believe them. I have looked into some of these dark Kabblist, dark hermetics and other cult lodges and it is more than a tad disturbing.
Long story short they believe that they can manifest and direct demonic/angelic (supposedly depends on intention and moral leaning which you get) "astral" beings through ritual, "sex magic" and sacrifice. These sacrifices are purported to have to grow in quality and quantity relative to the favors one wishes to achieve. I can't look into Alister Crowley because he was just to disturbing to me but he is one well known member of one of these lodges and a good place to start if one wants to understand these twisted people.
Another would be Franz Bardon who was also a suspected lodge member (he really gave up the beans on their general low level practices) it is unclear which lodge he was a member of as it is alleged that he never gave up his lodge to Hitler despite being horrifically tortured but his writings provide a glimpse into this strange world of occultists. Bottom line, some of these groups will target innocence for the purpose of targeting innocence.
"During World war II Bardon was held in a concentration camp for refusing to participate in Nazi mysticism. Bardon was rescued by Russian soldiers who raided the camp. Bardon continued his work in the fields of Hermetics until 1958 when he was arrested and imprisoned in Brno Czechoslovakia. Bardon died on 10 July 1958 while in the custody of police.[1]"
a doctors without borders hospital and they knew where it was, they had the GPS coordinators, mailing address, phone number and zip code. they were repeatedly warned for 30mins and yet they still, still managed to kill civilians.
now that is truly exemplary, outstanding work, yet another example of American exceptionalism doing what it does best. and this after the week long unrelenting media campaign based on nothing more than you tube videos, biased reporting and Russo-phobic propaganda about how they are indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians with "dumb bombs" in Syria.
well I guess we can only conclude that that if the Russians are indeed dropping dumb ordinance on Syrian civies and killing them indiscriminately, then what Washington just did is even worse because they just used smart weapons to attack a civilian hospital.
and they did it internationally and with full knowledge of what that structure was and who was occupying it.
and it's all just "collateral damage".
guess a bomb is only as smart as the person deploying it after all.
absolutely astounding hypocrisy at work here and there is nothing exceptional about decades of murdering countless innocent people, cause this is nothing new.
the world was never a safer place with Washington as the sole superpower and that has never been more apparent than it is right now as those death cult psychopathic parasites have the planet literally on the edge of the abyss.
exceptional.
The Afghan Govt just finished saying on AJ a few minutes back that about 15 Taliban were discovered taking shelter in a hospital building and they were all killed in the ensuing battle and eventual air strike.
so element...you are saying that taliban fighters were at the hospital raping the women and children when a drone hit the place?
um ... what? ... if you have information to that effect, please, tell us all about it, it sounds simply awful? You realize hospitals have people in them, and when a bunch of like, homicidal arseholes with guns and grenades, who are currently embarked on a militia paramilitary operation, like to take over a hospital and create mayhem, they may just you know, seek to take hostages of everyone and like, keep them close 'n stuff. It's not all that hard to grasp, people enter hospital wards at 2:30 AM, round up everyone in sight, and having a running firefight. But you seem to be struggling with it? Maybe a 3-D you-tube cartoon clip would help you visualize it a bit better?
element - i am telling you that the isis/taliban/alkuku were at the hospital raping women children. the then killed a couple of men. hacked off a few limbs etc etc etc.
element...you are a piece of shite. your half ass slander is pathetic. stop supporting the bombing of anyone in the middle east and get everyone home and let the goat fuckers fuck their goats and grandmothers and whatever they want.
You are all the dumbasses. You have no idea how combat works. You think it is some electronic video game. I made an earlier post explaining how there can be a lot of confusion. All you pansy-ass keyboard warriors haven't a clue and frankly you do not seem too interested in the truth. You have a template that you apply and it was ready to go even before you saw this article.
No one supports bombing civilians, dumb asses. However, in a city contested by two opposing forces, three different armies and a lot of weapons, things go wrong. Do you think the Taliban gives a shit if it is a hospital? You think they would not hide there or use it for cover?
I am telling you there is no way American forces targeted this building. Something went wrong, there is something else to this story or some extraordinary circumstances.
In hypothetical world I'd like to see all you purists fight a war where nothing goes wrong and 100% of the casualites are the "right" people.
Hey FG, if you care to read my comments you will see that I totally agree with all your remarks made above in this thread, I've said almost the same things you did about this event - it was a 2:30AM fuckup - of that I am quite sure.
This entire thread is an abortion and the TYLERS ARE TOTAL FUCKWITS for ever posting this piece of shit the way the moron deliberately did, in the first place.
YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD 'TYLER', WELL DONE SCUMBAG, YOU HAVE MY CONTEMPT, BUT ONLY BECAUSE YOU WERE A COMPLETE FUCKING JERK ABOUT THIS, NOT SOME OTHER REASON.
Not like you'll ever be accused of objectivity, or of being a journalist, just a tawdry fucking hate blogger T.