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Saudis Mull Launch Of Regional War As Russia Pounds Targets In Syria For Fourth Day
While the US has certainly made some epic strategic blunders in Syria that raise serious questions about just how “intelligent” US intelligence actually is, there’s little doubt that if one were to look behind all of the media parroting, the Pentagon and Langley understand all too well what’s going on in the Middle East.
That is, the significance of the Russia-Iran “nexus” in Syria isn’t lost on anyone in the US military and you can bet there have been quite a few high level discussions over the past 72 hours about the best way to counter Moscow and Tehran’s powerplay before it spills over into Iraq and ends up degrading Washington’s influence in Baghdad.
As we put it on Friday, “if Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night.”
Sure enough, some experts now predict Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey will move to counter Russia militarily if Moscow continues to rack up gains for Assad. Here’s The Guardian with more:
Regional powers have quietly, but effectively, channelled funds, weapons and other support to rebel groups making the biggest inroads against the forces from Damascus. In doing so, they are investing heavily in a conflict which they see as part of a wider regional struggle for influence with bitter rival Iran.
In a week when Russia made dozens of bombing raids, those countries have made it clear that they remain at least as committed to removing Assad as Moscow is to preserving him.
“There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister Adel Al-Jubeir warned, a few hours before the first Russian bombing sorties began. If that was not blunt enough, he spelled out that if the president did not step down as part of a political transition, his country would embrace a military option, “which also would end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad from power”. With at least 39 civilians reported dead in the first bombing raids, the prospect of an escalation between backers of Assad and his opponents is likely to spell more misery for ordinary Syrians.
“The Russian intervention is a massive setback for those states backing the opposition, particularly within the region – Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey – and is likely to elicit a strong response in terms of a counter-escalation,” said Julien Barnes-Dacey, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.
As the Syrian civil war has unfolded, Saudi Arabia has been clear about its position, say analysts. “Since the beginning of the uprising in Syria, the view in Riyadh has been that Bashar al-Assad must go. There is no indication what-soever that Riyadh will change this position,” said Mohammed Alyahya, associate fellow at the King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh.
“What is clear to Riyadh and its regional allies is that the recent Russian and Iranian escalation will only create a more unstable region and spill more blood,” he said.
Riyadh has focused support on rebels in the south, say analysts, while allies Turkey and Qatar have reportedly backed northern rebels, including conservative Islamist militias such as Ahrar al Sham.
That group, in alliance with the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al Nusra, recently reached a local ceasefire deal with Assad in the north. Its success in taking on government forces is thought to have been one trigger for the Russian bombing campaign and put them among the jets’ first targets.
“Most probably, the coming efforts will focus on boosting the effectiveness of major coalitions, co-ordination and co-operation between the most influential and effective groups in Syria,” said regional analyst Ali Bakeer.
Of course that isn’t going to work.
Say what you will about how successful guerilla/urban warfare can be when it comes to bogging down a conventional army (examples of this include Vietnam, the Soviet-Afghan war, and Somalia during the Black Hawk down debacle), but the disorganization of the Syrian resistance combined with the fact that Iran has its own well-armed militias on the ground that, in combination with Hezbollah, are providing the ground support for Russian airstrikes, means the situation is all but hopeless for the various Riyadh- and Doha-backed groups operating in Syria.
The only way to turn the tide here would be to intervene directly.
But just as Iran is unwilling to risk direct intervention on behalf of the Houthis in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will likely be unwilling to risk direct intervention on behalf of their proxy armies in Syria. The problem for Riyadh and Doha: Syria is a lot more strategically important than Yemen. Here’s The Guardian again:
Saudi Arabia and Qatar are already embroiled in an expensive and bloody war in Yemen that may limit both their military and financial resources. They have also so far deferred to western bans on transferring hi-tech weapons – including missiles that could take down aircraft – over fears that they might change hands in the chaos of the war and be used against their makers.
“The uncertain question today is the degree of power combined with efficiency that regional powers will be willing to bring to the table,” said Barnes-Dacey. “Do the Saudis now try to take matters decisively into their hands, including by providing rebels with sophisticated weaponry long denied them?
“The new [Saudi] king [Salman] has shown a willingness to be much more assertive and take measures into the kingdom’s own hands. If the Saudis see the situation slipping out of their hands, and there is a real sense that the Iranians are consolidating their position in Syria, you could see much stronger response.”
And speaking of a “strong response,” Russia continued to hit anti-regime targets for a fourth consecutive day on Sunday, making good on the Defense Ministry’s promise to step up strikes. Here’s Reuters:
Air strikes by suspected Russian jets hit targets around the town of Talbiseh in western Syria on Sunday, residents and a group which monitors the civil war in Syria said, a day after Russia promised to step up its air campaign.
Ambulances rushed wounded people to hospital in Talbiseh, north of the city of Homs, and one resident said at least five bodies had been recovered from the western part of the town.
"So far there are seven or six raids in the town," said Abdul Ghafar al Dweik, a former government employee and volunteer rescue worker.
He said he believed the raid was carried out by Russian jets. "They come suddenly... With the Syrian planes, we would get a warning but now all of a sudden we see it over our heads," he said.
We have said time and again that there’s no question Russian airstrikes will contribute to human suffering in Syria. After all, when you drop bombs on populated areas you’re bound to kill civilians (including women and children) no matter what Moscow says. However, the highlighted passages above shouldn’t come as a surprise. If you want your airstrikes to be effective, you’re not going to warn anyone about them beforehand unless of course you're dropping a nuke in which case you can tell civilians to leave ahead of time because you're reasonably sure the destruction will be so vast as to make the element of surprise a non-factor.
As for the effectiveness of the strikes, The Kremlin is out again claiming that ISIS is on its heels. Via Bloomberg and the Russian Defense Ministry (translated):
- Russian warplanes have made 20 sorties, attacked 10 ISIS targets in Syria in past 24h, Russian Defense Ministry says on website.
- Air force has attacked militant training camps in Raqqa, Idlib provinces; destroyed explosives workshop
- Warplanes destroyed at least 4 ammunition depots, several command posts
- Russian forces have broken “the management and logistics of the terrorist organization” and caused “significant damage to the infrastructure used for preparation of terrorist attacks”
And here's David Cameron repeating the Assad "butcher" accustations (again, via Bloomberg):
Russia is “backing the butcher Assad, which is a terrible mistake for them and for the world,” Cameron told BBC Television’s “Andrew Marr Show” on Sunday. “It’s going to make the region more unstable, which will lead to further radicalization and increased terrorism.”
Cameron continued: “I would say to them change direction, join us in attacking ISIL but recognize that if we want to have a secure region we need an alternative to Assad,” using an alternative designation for Islamic State. Assad “can’t unite the Syrian people.”
Yes, Assad "can't unite the Syrian people", because clearly that's what this is all about, which explains why the West has been doing anything and everything to promote disunity among Syrians for the better part of a decade, and on that note, we close with the following excerpt from a leaked diplomatic cable penned by then-Deputy Head of Mission in Syria William Roebuck in 2006 which shows just how concerned the West is with Syrian "unity":
-- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE: There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis. Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better publicize and focus regional attention on the issue.
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If any country needs to be bombed, it's Saudi Arabia. Sneaky fucking bastards.
Lemme get it straight… Saudi Arabia and Qatar can’t handle the Houtis in Yemen, but they think they can take on Russia? Oh, boy! I need a bigger popcorn bucket! ;-)
Looney
Like the US, these vile medieval "regional allies" try to frame their propaganda to show that this is about removing the dictator Assad, who actually is one of the most benign in that demented region. Its not.
They want him out because he opposed their pipeline, favoring instead the Iraqi Iran Shiite pipeline, which all three nations agreed to create. So much for national self determination. Otherwise they wouldnt give a shit what deranged lunatic ran Syria, or if Syria was ruled by some king as demented and tyranical and genocidal as they, -the Saudis and Qataris- are themselves.
Its not about an indefencible gas pipline at all.
By deception we wage war.
Its about potable water in south Lebanon.
Without that Israel is a failed desert state within ten years.
Go do the research yourself, all the data has been out there for nearly fifty years.
Hidden in plain sight.
Israel has to have the Litani river from source to outlet.
The pipeline from Qatar is a real project too, though.
Winston,
"While that may be true, its not comprehensive"
-W.C.
Saudis’ won’t mess with Russia because they know the US probably wouldn’t intervene on their behalf, we don’t want to mess with Russia either and vice versa. It was already agreed we would let them do what they want and talk a good game in opposition.
That said, if I’m wrong, I don’t think we will have to worry about low oil prices any more.
"Without that Israel is a failed desert state within ten years"
I'd support a proposal whereby Israel colonizes Mars as a new homeland by virtue of having been so oppressed on this planet.
The propaganda of the Jews is that they're the perennial victim the truth is they're the perennial aggressor. The Muslims have known this for eons but the Chrisitans are too dumbed down and propergandised to see the truth staring them in the face.
Both muslims and tartars are savages. They have been attacking everybody for 1500 years without provocation from Japan to Portugal.
If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, pretty soon all these people will simply commit suicide and be done with it.
Fear and Loathing, Deluxe Edition
BTW, How is it that virtually nobody is thinking that this fuckup was not all pre-planned? As in destabilize and have Russia, Iran, et al, fill the void and thus "them" attaining a complete lock on petroleum supplies in the ME?
"Be a Big Fucking Deal, Mr President", wouldn't it?
Right in line with your "Let's Destroy America Agenda", no?
http://news.yahoo.com/tip-iceberg-no-end-sight-migrant-wave-113332818.html
Germany = R.I.P.
News flash, Assad claims that House of Saud Must Go !!!!!!!!!!!
Funny,
Looking down from ISS
when do people ever learn
two thoughts: although a charming man no doubt, and likely son of the prior dictator, the original mr. assad, i'm not absolutely sure how much putin cares that assad jr. continues to rule. i think he cares profoundly who follows him. i hesitate, but not overly, to offer diem as a cautionary tale.
second, ben 123: where should "portugal to japan" have been put? i saw a house coming over the hill.
Puting can bomb till the cows come home. But nothing will happen without ground troops. Is he willing to put his neck on the chopping block? I think not.
Looney.. I'll bring the 55 gallon drum of butter for all the popcorn you will need..
and wow, you don't see many >300 up counts with this bunch. : -D
you obviously hit a chord.
I think I just need a few folks to go in on a front line Halva concession over there..
I would love to see the Saudis openly attack Russian forces in Syria... It would be the perfect opportunity for Russia to attack SA in kind and take out their oil production facilities... How much would crude oil be on the open market if SA production was curtailed and how much would Russian oil be? Go on Saudis, I double dog dare you... SA is behind much of the unrest in the ME today and as the saying goes, karma is a bitch, then you die...
How about the Russians launch a color revolution / Arab Autumn in KSA?
You seem to be full of fucking ideas for other people. How about getting off your fucking fat ass and do something yourself?
This whole xxxx must go has me confused as if one opthamalologist would make a difference http://sana.sy/en/?p=56697, as opposed to a constitutional historian, or was that a historical constitutionalist?
Ok, knuckles. You're earning your avatar. Here are two essential formulae to help cure hypocrisy:
"If X is wrong when done by them, it is wrong when done by us."
"If Y is right when done by us, it is right when done by them."
In my estimation, the "destroy America agenda" has been to show the world that we will pursue a foreign policy of non-stop pure hypocrisy.
And yes, your man Obombin' is doing this too.
Saudi Arabia the most homosexual country in the world.
Gay rage
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-c...
Obama's ass = "Gay Rage"
The Saudi king will soon be awarded the Nobel Piece Prize if he keeps this up. Those whacky Scandanavians!
it's commonly believed that it's the british that are whacky. also tiedy, spanky and dead pig's mouthy.
Respondents were then broken down by their professed religion -- Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and None (not necessarily atheists). Differences across groups in bi and homosexuality were the same, so I just collapsed them into a single non-heterosexual category.
Percent non-heterosexual (Males, Females) ...
Based on partners from past year:
Cath: 4, 3
Prot: 4, 3
Jew: 11, 3
None: 8, 9
Based on partners from past 5 years:
Cath: 4, 4
Prot: 4, 4
Jew: 9, 4
None: 8, 10
The rates for Christians are just what you see in the overall population -- between 3 and 5 percent. Among Jews, however, fully 10% are gay. I vaguely suspected it would be higher, but that's still amazing. The None-religionists are twice as likely as Christians to be gay, though still a bit below the Jews.
Gay rage.
http://akinokure.blogspot.ca/2012/07/jews-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-b...
Americans with Swedish ancestry have an unexpectedly low rate of homosexuality.
Ok, here are the rates of homosexuality (gay+bi) for different American ethnic groups, starting with men. I included all groups with 40 or more people in the GSS. The sample size is in parentheses:
Male Homosexuality %:
China 11.5 (43)
Poland 6.0 (195)
Spain 5.6 (90)
Netherlands 5.3 (116)
Puerto Rico 5.1 (65)
Mexico 4.7 (329)
India 4.4 (53)
Ireland 4.4 (839)
Norway 4.4 (140)
Africa 4.2 (630)
Czech 4.2 (80)
Denmark 4.1 (49)
Italy 3.9 (839)
Average 3.8
Amerindian 3.5 (337)
France 3.2 (147)
Fr. Can 3.2 (91)
England 2.9 (932)
Germany 2.8 (1309)
Philippines 2.6 (45)
Greece 2.4 (42)
Scotland 2.4 (330)
Russia 1.8 (117)
Sweden 1.6 (119)
Canada 1.1 (47)
"Fr. Can" is French Canadian, which clusters with other French-Americans. While Canadian Americans have the lowest male homosexuality of all the groups.
same link as above
i don't know how old you are but if you are under 65, i suggest the pulitzer prize winning novel "advise and consent" as backround reading (although the book it beat, "rabbit, run", is a better read).
it's a little like asking if you've done intravenous drugs or lied under oath, but with far, far more cultural kinks.
I have noticed the same thing in LA- pretty much all my Jewish friends are gay. It probably has to do something with the fact that they don't seem to get on well with their mothers. I've heard horror stories about very cold an manipulative mothers from both my jewish friends in the UK and in the US. If your mother is very cold and very manipulative, you are likely to try to staay away from women later in life
Sorry, that just does not compute.
Hating your mother does not equal craving a dick in your ass.
Hating your mother will more likely result in abusing women.
> Jews more than twice as likely to be gay, as likely to be lesbian
After the "French" and "Russian" revolutions the first laws that have passed were the ones against antisemitism and discrimination of homosexuals.
Only Homosexual Degenerates Win Power--Gregory Klimov: http://www.henrymakow.com/only_homosexual_degenerates_wi.html
[...]
In 1981, Soviet defector Gregory Klimov (left) authored a book for the CIA to secretly distribute to members of the senior staff of the KGB.
His title was a play on the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Klimov's Protocols of the Soviet Wise Men.
He wrote it as first person narrative of a series of lectures to top KGB insiders. The lectures are a course on the secret history of Civilization.
In Protocol 3, The Keys to Power, the lecturer reveals that a secret society controls the world.
The lecturer said, "It's names are legion, but so you can understand I will call it the Homintern (International Brotherhood Of Degenerates).
"What does it take to acquire and hold power over the lives of millions of people?" Only person with abnormal power drive will win in the race for positions of power. It is an axiom of degeneralogy that degenerates will make it to the top in the majority of cases.
Once this is understood, we can continue with the analogy of an Olympics competitor. Can a person with normal leg muscles participate and win a race? Yes, he can. On the local school level. He can also participate and win at town level. He can participate and may win at regional level. He can participate but has no chance to win at national level. He could not even participate at world level competition.
[...]
GREGORY KLIMOV,
Questions and Answers Section: http://www.whale.to/b/gregory_klimov.html
I certainly hope anyone down voting this has read the link. If not you have no business comment without reading the article presented (I guess this is the new ZH, where folks kneejerk before investigation).
The linked article is long, and I read the comments, it took time. That's how I formulate options, research and time.
The link describes how prevalent homosexuality I'd in SA. And the differences between it and the US. When men have no access to women, shit happens. One quote in the piece describe it to prison gay relationships. It was actually ver interesting and gives thought to the future of a country where so many people are content with double lives.
Thanks for the link, it is informative.
Disclaimer: I am straight, married, with two boys. But regardless of how distasteful, I am a libritarian on Social issues, what two or more consenting adults want to do in private is none of my fucking business as long as they keep it to them selves.
So, very OT, but just wanted to encourage the reading of the link and to asked the 2 down votes if the even bothered.
I'd like to see more study of sexual deviation among psychopaths. Power seems to be a magnet for the weirdest sorts of perverts.
psycopaths by definition cannot love anyone. For them sex is probably mostly a tool for playing their psychopathic games whether it's having more money, power than anyone else or whatever else.
Here is a great book on psychopaths, how to spot them and how to aviod being tricked and used by them:
http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828/ref...
also that biography of Steve Job gives a good insight into a mind of a psychopath
The US government does not represent the American people. The US people can have their own opinion, separate from the US government, withour being hypocritical.
that is a very important step.
doesn't take money, or weapons, or even breaking the law, yet.
mind by mind. do your part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
bu ... but ... the Nobel committee said ...
In the material 'real' (and yet still imaginary construct) world of guns and stinking corpses, i.e. the one outside of zh threads, and the (imaginary) internet-'O-sphere, in general, 'wars' (mass murders) occur because scared people are what they are, and the thing that we call 'communication' is not all it has been cracked up to be, so misunderstandings and paranoid suspicions and grand errors are all baked-in, even on a good day.
Now add in dedicated political psychological fear operations, that have successfully passed themselves off for centuries as 'religion', and 'culture', and you get mass-murder MENA, v2015.10.
The idiotic crap that appears on zh threads each day is just a reflection of that exact same mentally degenerate human neurosis, translated into text and graphs.
And the 'morals' are complete bullshit, for not one of these religious or even atheists ever operates on a basis of their 'moral' guides, as they always operate on a basis of fear, that is always being disguised as having 'morals' and acting on morals and principles.
Morals are produced from fear.
So the most moral of people are generally the biggest mass-murders and nastiest of all.
"Oh ... but ... but ... we're not like that at all!"
Yes you are.
Knukles: I shall never again "click" on one of your links. Ebay is now sending me "inflatable bubbies" ads.
They'll disappear in a few months
It does fall in line with one of his stated plans... energy prices WILL NECESSARILY SKYROCKET. What sane person thinks that is good, EVER?
A Goldman Sachs exec? Oops, missed the sane part
Goldman Sachs is like everywhere, they cooked the books on greece, even a goldman sachs employee became president of Italy, no joke there. :P
Same thing here in Australia. Nobody voted for Malcolm Turnbull to be prime minister, but funnily enough, our ruling party decided that the guy we all voted for wasn't good enough to run the country any more, but a former Goldman Sachs employee was. Must be that Tony Abbott's opposition to the climate change and gay marriage BS upset the applecart over there in Wall Street. This guy Turnbull is also in charge of building the NBN, Australia's National Broadband Network. Now, why would the government need to be in charge of the internet in Australia, I wonder? I wonder how many NSA backdoors are being built into the NBN. I would not be surprised if this was the reason. No need for the government to deal with pesky law abiding ISP's any more, just grab the metadata and send it off to the NSA... or whatever spy network wants it. Oops, did I just say that online? Is that the government's new antiterrorist hit squad I hear knocking on my door?
Hmm.. now you mention it Knukles.. maybe that is a possibility, i mean putin and obama did meet, who knows what backroom deals are made. :C maybe they want a little war for the new world order and their agenda 2030 (no joke the UN has a agenda called 2030. ) Maybe this is all in preparation for this world economic collapse? but so far, America doesn't need external enemies, most internal politicians are doing a mighty fine job at destroying the country as it is. At first to me it looks like pure lunancy and inability, but the more i read about it the more i think it might actually be part of their game plan.
if someone painted Jews with such an absurdly broad brush, Ben, I do believe you'd cry and shit your pants.
But it's okay when YOU say it about Muslims, is that right?
http://www.troll.me/images/baby-cry/antisemitism-thumb.jpg
Zerohedgers use that brush daily.
"Jews are savages. They have been attacking everybody for 1500 years without provocation from Japan to Portugal."
No, I don't believe this. Just my way of illustrating what a dick this Benjamin is.
Henry Ford damn sure believed it, maybe you should check him out. They do use financial weapons however, they leave the real destructive devices to saps like us.
in fairness, it seems {to me anyway, for what little that's worth} that he is not usually so bombastic.
Mostly, he seems pretty reasonable.
And while I'm a critic of the Israeli government, and I'll allow that Jews have a lot of media power - let's just be honest, some... a lot of it is way over the top and some ventures into naked brainless racism.
So if you were just a regular guy, and Jewish, reading all about how your people were behind every ill in the world, as if the BIS, WTO, IMF, and MIC were a Jewish affair - wouldn't you lose *your* cool now and then?
One of the main strategies of psychopaths is to try to make as many people as possible feel sorry for them. It's a powerful position that makes it much easier to manipulate others. I've see in in individuals, but Israel seems to behave like a psychopath on a state level
What we dont know is how is the Iranian peace deal connected to the suddenly emboldened Iran and Russia. Why did America make this tactical retreat that is now being exploited by Putin and Iran?
Is it another rope a dope as was done to Hussein in 91 over Kuwait to give themsekves legitimate cause for massive intervention? Or are they genuinely pulling up their tent pegs?
"Why did America make this tactical retreat..."
Keshe?
Your grandparents suggested relocation to some desert wasteland in the middle east as a solution to the jewish problem. Forgot?
From Benjamin:
Your grandparents suggested relocation to some desert wasteland in the middle east as a solution to the jewish problem. Forgot?
My answer: Are you trying to confuse ZH readers?
Herzyl wanted Israel as the primary state: I'm paraphrasing here, but Herzyl's quotes can be looked up if you make the effort. "A Cow in Palestine are worth two Jews in elsewhere." and " To preserve the trunk, then whole branches of the tree can be cut off."
After Israel as the primary goal of Zion, then secondary goal was Argentina, especially patagonia - it was called the "practical" country.
Benjamin Freedman (your avatar's namesake?) spilled the beans on Zionism's project. He was an insider, and hence his speech must be considered primary source. Herzyl's writings are also primary source.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
So, no ...it wasn't everybody's grandfather, or even many Jewish grandfathers, it was a small minority of money power Jews. Digging further we find Cabala as animating force, this to return to Temple as Messianic ideology.
The King's Torah: A Rabbinic Text or a Call to Terror?
Prohibition 'Thou Shalt Not Murder' applies only 'to a Jew who kills a Jew,' write Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/the-king-s-torah-a-rabbinic-te...
"Who was Rabbi Schneerson?
Schneerson lived from 1902 to 1994 and oversaw the growth of what is now the largest Jewish organization in the world. The religious movement he led is known as “Chabad-Lubavitch,” (sometimes just called “Lubavitch” or “Chabad,” the name of its organizational arm). Schneerson was the seventh and final Lubavitcher “Rebbe” (sacred leader). He is often simply called “the Rebbe.”
Founded in the late 1700s and originally based in the Polish-Russian town of Lubavitch, it is the largest of about a dozen forms of “Hasidism,” a version of Orthodox Judaism connected to mysticism, characterized by devotion to a dynastic leader, and whose adherents often wear distinctive clothing. (Spellings of these terms can vary; Hasid is also written as Hassid, Chasid, etc.)
There is an extreme cult of personality focused on Schneerson himself. Some followers consider him the Messiah, and Schneerson himself reportedly sometimes implied this was true. Some Lubavitch educators consider him divine, making such claims as, “the Rebbe is actually ‘the essence and being [of God] … he is without limits, capable of effecting anything, all-knowing and a proper object of worshipful prostration.”
While many secular Jews and Jews from other denominations disagree with its actions and theology, Chabad-Lubavitch is generally acknowledged to be a powerful force in Jewish life today. According to a 1994 New York Times report, it is “one of the most influential and controversial forces in world Jewry.”
There are approximately 3,600 Chabad institutions in over 1,000 cities in 70 countries, and 200,000 adherents. Up to a million people attend Chabad services at least once a year. Numerous campuses have such centers and the Chabad website states that hundreds of thousands of children attend Chabad summer camps.
According to the Times, Schneerson “presided over a religious empire that reached from the back streets of Brooklyn to the main streets of Israel and by 1990 was taking in an estimated $100 million a year in contributions.
In the U.S., the Times reports, Schneerson’s “‘mitzvah tanks’ – converted campers that are rolling recruiting stations whose purpose is to draw Jews to the Lubavitch way – roamed streets from midtown Manhattan to Crown Heights. And the Lubavitchers’ Brooklyn-based publishing house claimed to be the world’s largest distributor of Jewish books.”
Non-Jewish souls ‘satanic’
While Chabad sometimes openly teaches that “the soul of the Jew is different than the soul of the non-Jew,” Schneerson’s specific teachings on this subject are largely unknown.
Quite likely very few Americans, both Jews and non-Jews, are aware of Schneerson’s teachings about the alleged deep differences between them – and about how these teachings are applied in the West Bank and Gaza.
Let us look at Schneerson’s words, as quoted by two respected Jewish professors, Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, in their book Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel (text available online here. This book, praised by Noam Chomsky, Edward Said, and many others is essential reading for anyone who truly wishes to understand modern day Israel-Palestine. (Brackets in the quotes below are in the translations by Shahak and Mezvinsky.)
Some of Schneerson’s rarely reported teachings:
“The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”
“This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world … The difference in the inner quality between Jews and non-Jews is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”
“An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”
“As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood.”
“…the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created
as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”
“The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”
“The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-r...
These are Chabad's beliefs.
When Jews are racist, they still get to put up giant meorah's on public land. Christians, who have no such beliefs, however are forbidden from putting up nativity scenes.
And of course, anyone who sues to stop Chabad - essentially a Jewish Supremacist group, will be dismissed as an "anti-Semite"
Amazing.
Fuck Chabad - inbred racist pukes. As they reproduce like flies and live on welfare in NY, and form the vanguard of the further ethnic cleansing of what remains of Palestine, their racism and cherished myths will cause yet more war for Ersatz Israel.
They're supported by many a wannabe/student from the Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Jews4Jeezus (J4Js), Seventh Day Adventists, Black Israeli, and Hebrew Christian Camps.
Schenerson didnt come up with any of that. Those supremacists ideas came from Chabad´s holy book the "Tanya", written by the first Chabad rebbe 2 centuries ago. Just saying. Its not like he invented jewish supremacist. And yes his followers worship him as if he was Jesus Christ, a man-god.
Schenerson used to be a sort of half assimilated semi religious Jew in France, eating non kosher and working as an engineer, until he moved to New York.
Secular jews dont care about it anyway, being atheists they only worship themselves, and the other religious jews are as irrelevant as possible, illiterate and holed up in decrepit ghetos in Israel and New York. Some jews including myself think Chabad has the same feeling that christianity had when it started, and would not be surprised if it were to fully splinter from Judaism and form its own religion. Like christianity.
I have to admit i have been to some of Chabad services, mostly for the food.
Mars is too close, I am thinking Pluto.
Is Pluto a planet, I can't remember what they decided.
Its been reinstated as a planet since it apparently has tectonic plates and mountains and a tiny atmosphere. And water too I think. Frozen water obviously.
Even Pluto is too good for the jews. Lets send them to the Sun
Pluto is a dog. Or, if you're dyslexic, a God.
I could really get onboard with that. I could actually change my mind about supporting the space program.
You've obviously never watched "Mars Attacks!" ... ask Tom Jones about it.
What was it that got caught between Obama and Vlad's messenger a while back... when i get re-elected...
Anyone left will be worried about rad counts.
The water is vital, the gas pipeline is not, they can survive without the gas,not
without the water.
I realize posting prophecy crap is just asking for trouble, but events are starting to look a bit like the prophecy from the Seer of Waldviertel, posted over 10 years ago:
http://newprophecy.net/warroom.htm
... The "total war" with American participation will take place first in Saudi Arabia when the Americans become involved in a great Middle East conflict; however they will do poorly. Russia will defeat America. Poland will rise against the Russians as an ally of the West. Russia then launches blitzkrieg actions into Germany...
Summary given on page, again from around or before 2005:
1) A major war in the Middle East will precede all other events.
2) The actual course of the Middle East war is not explained. However, one aspect of the war will involve US forces in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf. We are told that America loses the war there, but that Russia gains control of the oil fields.
We are also told that Russia must strengthen her southern flank which is defined as Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, and Yugoslavia.
How will she do this? Probably through alliances, subversive acts, and direct military conflict.
Russia already enjoys an alliance with Iran, Greece, and Serbia. In Iran and Greece, alliances and weapons support will be strengthened or, in the case of Serbia, subversive actions may take place to incite a Balkans conflict. Iraq has been temporarily lost, but may be regained by subversive actions taken by Iran. Turkey, according to Erna Stieglitz, will require military conquest.
Shit man, that sounds just so.... Biblical, like I mean .... it can't be true because ..... uh..... there's no God.... Jeeesh!
(no tag for the uninitiated, just deal with it)
I guess removing references to the Bible and God makes it more palatable. Besides the Bible said this thousands of years ago, so it is somehow irrelevant compared to stating it in a similar way a decade ago. Hmmmmm.
Like it or not, one needs to consider the fact that the book written over a period of 1500 years by many different people, stating many things not known to science for another thousands of years, somehow consistently gives the same message, and its prophetic statements are coming true to the letter, as they have done many many times before. Oh, and archeologically speaking, cities listed in the bible, consistently denied to exist have been found over and over again... it may be worth taking another look at it, or a first one for that matter.
Israel is the only nation to have been wiped off the map...and then come back. Ever. Also a prophetic statement of the bible as well. And that book, the bible, has a lot about Israel when discussing the horrid events it states are coming some day in the future...or next week possibly (considering the Russian Bear has come from the north to Israels doorstep...written about just under 2000 years ago)
It has my attention, surely trust it more than any politician ANYWHERE on the planet.
Just sayin'
Yer one of the uninitiated...
Did it ever occur to any followers of Bible prophesy that it is used by rulers/religious leaders to create incidents in a manner and time of prophesy concepts to say "See, it was long predicted and here is the proof! Now adopt the only true religion or face eternal damnation."
This works just the same as technical analysis of the financial markets. People that use it only reinforce the concepts by acting in unison using the analysis that predict actionable future outcomes.
My post has nothing to do with the bible or christianity. Some guy said that some shit was going to happen. At the time what he said sounded crazy and totally unlikely. Now, many years later, current events are looking a bit as though they are moving towards his predictions. I thought that was interesting - that's all.
We can all hold hands and chant that we will be billionaires as well, do you think it falls in line with your idea of " only reinforce the concepts by acting in unison using the analysis that pretict actionable future outcomes"? Read this, for a bit more "data" on the bible's precursor's and knowledge such as a round earth, blood being life while we bled people to heal them and that kind of stuff... if nothing else for you, it is interesting and will be informative for your future use and data for use in anti-biblical prophecy statements.
the source is listed at the bottom...
There is much that even a superficial examiner will discover about the Bible that recommends it as the true, timeless revelation of God to man. The Bible succinctly addresses both origins and future events, credibly answering the three greatest questions (whence? whither? and wherefore?). It marshals the full contingent of rhetorical instruments into a single message: poetry, philosophy, pithy proverbs, parables, prophecy, and poignant historical narratives alike speak in a compelling manner. The pathos of the crucifixion account is an event worthy of being the pinnacle of world history, that Omnipotence would submit to death at the hands of his own creation! The resurrection of the founder and the message of salvation by faith apart from human works stand in stark contrast to every other religious system known. But to fully appreciate the weight of the evidence, one must dig deeper than this. There are several lines of reasoning that give testimony to the fact that the Bible is the Word of God. They can be generally grouped into five broad topics, each of which deserves a great deal more attention than is currently given here. For further information, Josh McDowell’s book Evidence That Demands a Verdict is a good resource.
First let us consider the uniqueness of the book. The Bible is unique in preparation, circulation, translation, and preservation. The Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years by a great variety of men who were inspired of God. From the king of Babylon writing in Chaldean to the humble prophet of Samaria; from an educated doctor writing in Greek to the beautiful lyrics composed by a Hebrew shepherd in the field; from a statesman born in ancient Egypt to a fisherman of the Roman era; it is difficult to conceive of a more diverse group! Writing any volume of such length and being in compete harmony would indeed be a wonder, much less dealing with a topic so controversial as religion. No book in the history of the world has been as widely circulated as the scripture. Every year it outsells all of the top best-sellers and it has now been translated into over 1,200 different languages. Despite the hammers of higher criticism and the black-listing of dictators, the anvil of God’s Word survives after the hammers where out. The noted French infidel Voltaire was convinced that he could destroy Christianity and the Bible. At one point, he held up a copy of the Bible in the air and smugly proclaimed, “In 100 years this book will be forgotten and eliminated…” Among the places where Voltaire lived was an estate in Geneva, Switzerland called Les Délices. After Voltaire moved on, the residence was occupied by the Tronchin family. Colonel Henri Tronchin was President of the Evangelical Society of Geneva and Les Délices is reliably reported to have been used as a repository for Bibles, the very book Voltaire had assigned to extinction! Discoveries of hundreds of copies of the ancient texts from a millennium before Christ reveal the remarkable preservation of the message throughout time. The Bible is also unique in message and influence. The Bible unequivocally claims to be the word of God (II Timothy 3:16, II Peter 1:16-21). Either it satisfies that claim or it is not a “good book.” From beginning to end the Bible carries a message of the Messiah, God in the flesh. C.S. Lewis effectively countered the myth of Jesus Christ being merely a “good man.” Christ claimed to be God. So either He was divine, or he was a deceitful impostor, or he was pathetically self-deluded. This has been called the Lord/Liar/Lunatic trilemma. Great men the world over have sought to plummet the message of the scriptures. From common people with no formal education to the brightest minds in the scientific world, most have found intellectual challenge and many have come to know spiritual fulfillment in the message of this unique book.
Secondly, archaeology has independently confirmed the historical accuracy of the scriptures. Not only have many of the locations and traditions that are mentioned in the Bible been confirmed by field workers in the Middle East and researchers that study ancient histories, but specific events cited have often been shown to match in great detail. Associates for Biblical Research has extensively excavated Jericho. Just one of the interesting features about this city is that the walls appear to have fallen outward. While an invading army would typically ram the walls inward upon the debris, the Bible declares that God caused the walls to fall flat so that the Israelites could go straight in. Skeptics once believed that the book of Daniel was in error when it discussed Belshazzar ruling Babylon. The dynasties were revealed on cuneiform tablets excavated from ancient Babylon and Belshazzar did not appear on the list. Yet Unger’s Bible Dictionary tells how a later find revealed that the sovereign, Nabonidus, traveled extensively and in his absence left his son Belshazzar to rule as co-regent. That is why, in seeking to offer the ultimate reward to anyone who could interpret the mysterious message of doom, Belshazzar offered the position of “third in the kingdom” (Daniel 5:7). He could do no more since he was only second himself. Sir William Ramsey is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. Skeptical of the authorship and accuracy of the gospels and Acts, Ramsey set out to investigate. Yet he concluded after 30 years of study that “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy…this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians.” (Ramsey, W.M., The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, 1953, p. 222, as cited in McDowell, 1991, p.71.)
Thirdly there is the evidence of fulfilled prophecy. It is interesting to glance at a concordance and note how many times the scriptures say, “It is written” and harking back to one of the many prophecies. Making predictions in the Old Testament era was no light matter. The test for a prophet was 100% accuracy (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). The penalty for failing the test was death. Yet, in marked contrast to any other religious writings, about 30% of the Bible is prophecy! Let’s just consider two of the many types of prophecies contained in the Bible: those regarding the Messiah and those that apply to Ancient Cities. McDowell presents 61 specific prophecies that were clearly fulfilled in Christ. These include: His birthplace, the flight to Egypt, His ancestry, the slaughter of the innocents, His being preceded by a messenger, the ministry starting in Galilee, His teaching with parables, His entry into Jerusalem on a colt, His betrayal by a friend, the 30 pieces of silver, His death upon a tree, the garments parted and lots cast, the gall and vinegar offered, His side pierced but no bones broken, the darkness over the land, and His burial with the rich, and His resurrection. Even if an impostor sought to pawn himself off as meeting some of these, there are a great many (like the events of one’s birth) beyond his control. In his book Science Speaks, Peter Stoner has calculated the odds of just eight of the most remarkable prophecies coming true in the life of any man in human history as a mind-boggling 1 in 10 17. These are not common predictions that have decent odds of happening. No other religion in the world even makes a pretense that its founder is still alive, yet the prophets predicted the resurrection (Psalm 16:10). Remarkably, the exact timing of the Messiah’s arrival was given in Daniel 9:24-26. Many of the Old Testament prophecies (like Malachi 3:1) demand that the temple be standing when the Messiah came. It was destroyed in A.D. 70 in fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy (Matthew 24:2). Indeed, there was a narrow historical window in which the Messiah could come. For it was determined in Genesis 49:10 that he would be born before Israel lost the governmental scepter (the rabbis lost the right of capital punishment so important to their law in AD 7). That is why they had to appeal to Pilate in John 18:31. But Messiah had to be condemned after the Jews lost that right because it was predicted that he was to die by crucifixion (Psalm 22:16), rather that the Jewish method of stoning.
Biblical prophecies with regard to ancient cities is equally remarkable. Skeptics have suggested that a message of impending doom spoken against an ancient city must come true eventually. Yet the dire predictions in the Bible are very specific such that the details of one city’s prophecies do not fit the next one. The detailed prophecies involving ancient cities include Babylon, Chorazin-Bethsaida-Capernaum, Gaza-Ashkelon, Jerusalem, Moab-Ammon, Nineveh, Petra-Edom, Samaria, Sidon, Thebes-Memphis, Tyre, and others (McDowell, 1991). Contemplate just a few of them:
1.Among the several specific predictions with regard to ancient Edom are those in Ezekiel 25:13-14. It claims that Edom’s destruction would leave the land desolate as far as Teman and that Israel would participate in their destruction. In Ezekiel 35:7 the prophet further notes Edom would no longer be a place of merchants and trade. Isaiah 34:14-15 claims it would be the habitation of wild animals. Lastly Jeremiah 49:18 predicts that it would never be inhabited again. This is a daunting series of prophecies, particularly when one considers that Petra, the capital of Edom, was one of the wonders of the ancient world–literally a city carved into a mountain and the Jews were in bondage when the prophecy was made! Yet under the Maccabean era the resurgent Israelites pillaged Edom. In dramatic fulfillment the Edomite empire was finally destroyed right up to the city of Teman. (Only Teman, or Maan was left and survives still today.) When the capital city of Petra was rediscovered (to the chagrin of critics who maintained that the Edomite civilization was mythical), it was found to be a ghost town, inhabited only by eagles, scorpions and other wild creatures.
2.By way of contrast, one can consider the prophecies against Moab and Ammon. Though in Ezekiel 25:3-4 the prophet had predicted the fall of these city-states, Jeremiah 48:47 (Moab) and 49:6 (Ammon) predicted that they would rise again. Indeed these cities are in existence and thriving today.
3.One is hard-pressed to find superlatives to sufficiently convey the splendor of ancient Babylon. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia tells of a city covering 196 square miles, surrounded by double walls and a 30-ft. moat. The outer wall was over 300 feet high and wide enough to race 8 chariots abreast! Upon entering one of the one hundred solid brass gates, the visitor would be struck with the majesty of the hanging gardens, massive palaces, exquisite temples, and flowing Euphrates. The prophets foretelling its demise is akin to someone today forecasting the utter desolation of London or New York. But more than that, Isaiah 13:19-22 states that it will be overthrown, never to be inhabited again, except by desert animals. This has indeed come to pass. But interestingly, Jeremiah 51:26 declares that it would not be torn down to be used for construction elsewhere. While the Bedouins avoid the old city of Babylon, archaeological activity has been ongoing since many interesting ruins of the dead city remain.
4.The story of ancient Tyre is given in Unger’s Bible Dictionary: “an ancient Phoenician city, located on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea… It once consisted of two parts–a rocky coast defense of great strength on the mainland, and a city upon a small but well-protected island about half a mile from the shore.” A merchant nation, the mariners of Tyre traveled the known world, making their home a successful trade port with a great, walled city on the mainland and a wealthy enclave on the island. In Ezekiel 26 the prophet details the destruction that will befall Tyre. Let us note the specificity: (1) vs 3 claims that multiple nations would be involved; (2) vs 4 tells that the walls and towers were to be broken down; (3) vs 4 states that the dirt was to be scraped off the area revealing the underlying rock and (4) All the debris of the city was to be dumped in the water; (5) vs 7-11 tell that Nebuchanezzar would break into the city; (6) vs 14 predicts that it would become a place of fishermen spreading their nets and (7) that the site would never be rebuilt. Nebuchanezzar attempted to subdue proud Tyre but because the inhabitants of this seacoast city all abandoned Tyre proper to escape to the large island fortress off the coast, he never looted its treasury or conquered its royalty. Nevertheless, Nebuchanezzar’s siege and destruction of the seacoast city was praised and actually rewarded by God (Ezekiel 29:18-20). His destruction of the mainland portion of Tyre certainly fulfills verses 7-11 which apply to him. The dramatic fulfillment of the prophesied judgment was not completed in Nebuchanezzar since the inhabitants outlasted him on their Alcatraz-like island. When Alexander the Great came through to conquer Tyre, the citizens tried the same trick…evacuating for the island fortress. Alexander took a cue from the failure of Nebuchanezzar. He took ALL of the debris from the city of Tyre (literally scraping it bare), built a causeway out to the island, and proceeded to demolish it, selling the surviving inhabitants into slavery. Attempts were made to rebuild Tyre and it was again destroyed. The modern city called Tyre was NOT constructed on the ancient mainland site. In fact the ancient plot is largely barren rock (somewhere inland from the modern construction), and has quite literally been used by local fishermen to lay out their nets! “If Ezekiel had looked at Tyre in his day and had made these seven predictions in human wisdom, these estimates mean that there would have been only one chance in 75,000,000 of their all coming true. They all came true in the minutest detail.” (Stoner, Peter, Science Speaks, 1963, p. 80.)
A most remarkable Old Testament prophecy has been fulfilled in the modern era. In keeping with the warning of Leviticus 26:33 and Deuteronomy 28:64 the children of Israel were scattered and tormented. From the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, to their banishment from Rome, to the pogroms of eastern Europe, to the holocaust; the Jewish people have suffered greatly. But Ezekiel 36:33-35 and 38:8 makes it very clear that the Jews were to return out of the other nations, rebuild their wasted cities, and recultivate their land (See also Jeremiah 16:14-15). It would seem highly unlikely that the Jews would remain distinct as a people, having no country and every motivation to intermarry and escape the stigma. Yet this Biblical prophecy has been completely fulfilled in recent history. From a population of only 20,000 identifiable Palestinian Jews in 1900, the modern reemergence of the Israeli nation has swelled that number to 6 million Jews. No other nation has been similarly reborn. Small wonder when the rationalist king Frederick the Great demanded of the court chaplain an unanswerable proof of the Bible’s authenticity, the answer was given: “the Jew, your majesty!” As a prophet Himself, Christ made numerous predictions. In Matthew 24:3 the disciples posed a question about the timing of the end of the world, Armageddon, and the new kingdom. Jesus predicted in vs 14: “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” He later would command them to go “into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15). That was a command it would seem impossible for a motley group of followers of an itinerant preacher in the obscure nation to do. How could they go through all the world spreading His teachings and getting people to believe the incredible story of his death and resurrection? Yet they have done just that. Interestingly, even the advent of the modern skeptical era with a worldview based upon uniformitarianism was foretold in the scriptures (see II Peter 3:3-7). In Isaiah 41:23 the prophet lays out a challenge: “Show me the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods.” The God of the Bible has dramatically met that challenge!
Fourthly, there is the fact that the Bible is scientifically accurate. One must always be cautious against using circular reasoning such that scientific theories are enlightened by the scripture and then those theories are used to show that the scriptures are reliable. But quite aside from the evidence for controversial theories like special creation, or the co-existence of men and dinosaurs; there are a number of rather startling statements in the Bible which appear to be far more advanced than the scientific knowledge at the time of writing. Moreover, there has never been an irreconcilable discrepancy between scientific facts or laws and the scriptures.
•Jeremiah 33:22 claims that the stars of the heaven are innumerable. Hippocrates, before the invention of the telescope charted and numbered 1,022 stars. Kepler later recounted and revised the number. Today scientists agree with Jeremiah. There are billions just in our galaxy! It is interesting that the Bible makes the number of stars roughly equivalent to the number of grains of sand on the seashore (Genesis 22:17; Hebrews 11:12). Carl Sagan also compared these two, leaning towards the number of stars being greater. Amazingly, the latest estimates of the gross number of sand grains are comparable to the modern estimated number of stars in the universe!
•Judges 5:20 mentions “the stars in their courses.” While it was once believed that the stars were fixed, today we know that they too move in a predictable way.
•Job 38:19 is accurate in the way it characterizes light. Note that darkness is in a place but light is in a way. It travels a path.
•Job 38:24 indicates the light of the sun (by heating) makes the wind.
•In Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 1:10-12 the Bible is unequivocal that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written many people believed the universe was eternal. Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900’s and continuing still today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning.
•Moreover, the universe is expanding (Job 9:8; Isaiah 42:5; Jeremiah 51:15; Zechariah 12:1). Repeatedly God declares that He stretches out the heavens. During the early 20th century, most scientists (including Einstein) believed the universe was static. Others believed it oscillated and would eventually collapsed due to gravity. Then in 1929, astronomer Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were receding from the earth. This discovery revolutionized the field of astronomy. Einstein admitted his mistake, and today most astronomers agree with what the Creator told us millennia ago – the universe is expanding!
•Job 36:27 asks how the rain drops stay small (discrete even in a strong wind)? One of the reasons is found in Psalm 135:5-7. Because of the electrical charges in the clouds, the rain drops repel each other as they fall. This is why electrical static during a rain or snow storm can interrupt transmissions.
•Ezekiel 5:5, 38:12 claims that Jerusalem is the center of the earth. ICR commissioned a computer analysis of the earth’s land-masses and discovered that the geographic center is in Palestine, near the holy city.
•Psalm 103:12 The Psalmist seeks to describe how far away God has removed the sins of those who have been forgiven. Interestingly, one can go west or east forever, unlike north and south.
•Hebrews 1:11-12 describes the wearing down of the creation in language that nicely mirrors the second law of thermodynamics and II Peter 3:12 describes the heavens one day passing away in a fire that causes the elements to melt in fervent heat (a pretty accurate description of nuclear meltdown).
•Ecclesiastes 1:4-6 describes the whirling motion of the winds and the movement of storm fronts long before the advent of modern meteorology. Unlike other ancient wisdom narratives, like The Book of Enoch 33:3-4, that claim the wind comes from a heavenly portal, this Biblical passage explains that the winds circle back to their starting point.
•Ecclesiastes 1:7 says, “All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again.” Such a correct view of the hydrologic cycle eluded ancient civilizations up until a few centuries ago. Only in recent times have scholars appreciated the remarkable significance of the clear, scientifically-accurate description of water found in the Bible’s section of wisdom literature. For example, Job 36:27-28 states, “He draws up the drops of water, which distil as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind” (Job 36:27-29).
•Job 37:16 also gives significant meteorological information, including the balancing of the vapors in the clouds. Job 36:27 adds that the quantity of the rain is proportional to the amount of vapor aloft.
•Job 26:7 The ancients Greeks believed that the world was held up by Atlas. Other civilizations held similar ideas. The Bible made an unusual claim: God did not hang the world on anything.
•Psalm 8:8 discusses the “paths of the seas.” The story is told that when the man we call “the Father of Oceanography,” Matthew Fontaine Maury, read Psalm 8 the aforementioned phrase stuck in his mind. He later sought to confirm the idea and eventually wrote The Physical Geography of the Sea in1855. It was the first textbook on modern oceanography. The state of Virginia erected a memorial to him that cites this passage.
•Isaiah 40:22 Some have claimed that the Bible supports the “flat earth theory.” But this passage declares that God sits upon the “circle of the earth.” (See also the mention in Proverbs 8:27 of a compass or a circle about the original earth.)
•Job 38:13-14 conveys the idea of the earth rotating on its axis: “the earth…is turned as clay to the seal.”
•In Luke 17:34-36 the worldwide event of Christ’s return is being discussed. The scientifically significant fact is that these verses allude to the different time zones around the globe long before the earth’s rotation was understood by scientists. Note that when Christ comes, some will be enjoying nighttime sleep while others are grinding in preparation for the day’s baking (typically morning) and others are working in the field (typically afternoon).
•One of the directors of Standard Oil Company read in Exodus 2:3 how Moses was placed in an ark “daubed with slime and pitch.” He sent the company geologist Charles Whitshott to determine if there was still oil in that region. The discovery of oil led to Standard having very successful well operations in Egypt. (Tan, Paul L.,Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations, p. 191.)
•The practice of medical bleeding as a treatment (often with leeches) was common until the middle of the 19th century. Historians believe that George Washington’s bleeding caused his death. (Thayer, William R., George Washington, 1922, p. 240) Ironically, by his bedside was a Bible that stated in Leviticus 17:11 “For the life of the flesh is in the blood.”
•Linguists have determined that all the earth’s peoples must have originally shared a common language. That is precisely what the Bible declares in Genesis 11:1.
•The concept of embodied in the laws of thermodynamics: the constant of the universe’s mass/energy and the universal tendency towards decay and disorder are clearly articulated in Ecclesiastes 3:14 and Romans 8:21-22.
•Ancient cultures believed that the moon was the same size as the sun. For example, the Book of Enoch 77:3 declares their dimensions to be equal. They appear similar because the moon is so much closer to the Earth. But Genesis 1:16 stated it correctly. The Sun is approximately 400 times larger than the Moon.
•Jonah wrote that there are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep troughs in the sea.
•In Job 38:16 God challenged Job to find the “springs of the sea.” But the ocean is so deep that almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the water pressure becomes enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the “springs of the sea.” Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand the pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floor!
•Much of the Old Testament Levitical law is comprised of health-related restrictions involving diet, cleansing, and quarantine. The book None of These Diseases by McMillen and Stern demonstrates the healthfulness of following that advice (especially in an agrarian society in the Middle East). Human medicine did not realize this until thousands of years after it was written! For example, the Bible cautions against consuming fat (Leviticus 7:23). Only in recent decades has the medical community determined that fat clogs arteries and contributes to heart disease. In Leviticus 11 the Scripture commanded Jews to avoid sea creatures which do not have fins or scales. We now know that bottom-feeders (those with no scales or fins) tend to consume waste and are more likely to carry disease. Then the Bible warns against eating birds of prey. Scientists now recognize that those birds which eat carrion (putrefying flesh), often spread disease. The Bible prohibited the Israelites from eating swine (Deuteronomy 14:8). Not so long ago, science learned that eating undercooked pork causes an infection of parasites called trichinosis. When dealing with diseases, the instruction was that clothes and body should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13). For centuries people naively washed in standing water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water.
•The Bible declares that life begins at conception (Jeremiah 1:5) and God declares that He knew each of us before we were born (Psalm 139:13-15). In Exodus 21:22-23, the biblical penalty for killing an unborn child was death. Today, it is an irrefutable biological fact that the fertilized egg is truly an entire human being. Nothing will be added to the first cell except nutrition and oxygen.
•The Bible commanded circumcision of baby Jewish boys on the eighth day. (See Genesis 17:12; Leviticus 12:3; Luke 1:59). Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day. This is therefore the safest day to circumcise a baby. How could Moses have known this?
•Wise pest-control procedures are given in Leviticus 25:1-24. Modern farmers are still plagued by multiplying insects. Yet God gave a sure-fire remedy to control these pests centuries ago. Moses commanded Israel to set aside one year in seven when no crops were raised. Insects winter in the stalks of last year’s harvest, hatch in the spring, and are perpetuated by laying eggs in the new crop. If the crop is denied one year in seven, the pests are controlled. And this promoted soil conservation.
•Long before the theory of plate tectonics provided a mechanism for continental drift and before the German climatologist Alfred Wegener proposed an original supercontinent he called Pangea, the idea that the continents had drifted apart had been suggested by a creationist, Antonio Snider. He was struck by the statement in Genesis 1:9-10 about God’s gathering together the seas into one place and thought that there may have been only a single landmass. Noticing the close fit of the coastlines of western Africa and eastern South America, he proposed that a supercontinent underwent horizontal separation to form the existing continents catastrophically during the Flood.
•When Noah was instructed to build the huge barge that would preserve his family and two of each kind of land creature, the Lord specified for him the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15). Ship builders today are well aware that the ideal dimension for ship stability is to have the length about six times that of the width. Dr. Werner Gitt demonstrated that the ark had the ideal dimensions to optimize both stability and economy of material. Yet God gave Noah these ideal dimensions over 4,500 years ago.
•We note in Acts 7:22 that “Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians…” Yet the errant “scientific” practices of Egypt are absent in the first five books of the Bible, written by Moses approximately 1491-1451 B.C. The Torah is famous for its advanced knowledge about diet, hygiene, quarantine and sanitation. It far surpasses that possessed by the Egyptians and other ancient societies of that day (even including the Romans and Minoans).In fact, it far exceeded medical standards practiced as recently as the early 1900’s in modern society.
Other verses could be cited. Just recently articles have been published claiming that the human rib is the only bone that has been shown to grow back. Is it merely a coincidence that this is the bone God took from Adam? A strong case has even been made that it is no accident that science has flourished to unprecedented levels in an era of Christian philosophy. Great classical scientists sought to seek God’s thoughts after Him. The Biblical view gives reason to expect orderliness, laws, and repeatability that are the foundation for the scientific method.
The fifth area of evidence is the demonstration of changed lives. That is, there is power in the Christian experience, power in the Christian story, and power in the Christian’s departure. If the Bible only impacted a relative few in a single culture, one might be skeptical of its claims. But the message of salvation and reconciliation to the Creator has dramatically changed women and men of all ages and races throughout history. The message of the scripture is the highest of drama: the eternal omnipotent God pursuing the wayward creation to the extent of a humble birth and cruel, ignominious death. It is at once exquisitely mind-boggling and yet so simple that a child can understand and be affected by it. Millions of people from around the world can personalize the testimony of John Newton, the profane slave-trader turned Christian: “Amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now am found–was blind, but now I see!” A number of books have compiled death bead accounts, giving the stories of both saved and unsaved people passing from this earth as told in the words of eye-witnesses. One such book is Voices from the Edge of Eternity by John Meyers. The impact grows as one perceives the remarkable similarity in so many of the accounts. Christians see great brightness, give lucid accounts of observing loved ones and leave their bodies with great hope and comfort. But heart-rending accounts of the passing of many unsaved souls are also given. It recounts the details of the great French skeptic Voltaire’s passing from this life in the most awful of circumstance, crying out in darkness, hopelessness and despair. Even his nurse repeatedly said that for all the wealth of Europe, she would not see another infidel die! Hebrews 10:31 states, “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
If the Bible gives evidence of being the word of God and it is reliable when it speaks historically, prophetically, etc.; than it is also likely to be trustworthy when it speaks theologically and gives the simple plan of salvation as follows…
•You are a sinner. (Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”)
•The penalty for sin is eternal death, separation from God. (Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”)
•Christ died as a substitute, paying your penalty (Romans 5:8 “But God showed His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.”)
•If you repent and call upon Jesus to save you, He promises you eternal life as a free gift. (Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”)
The Bible is very clear in making an exclusive claim on the path to God. “He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; but he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him”. (John 3:36) “Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). If you would like more information about God’s simple plan of salvation or how to live in a way pleasing to your Creator…
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Just put a summary and a link. You took a third of the buffer with this.
Are you payin' fer the buffer?
Ass, gas, or buffer. Nobody rides for free.
Very Sorry. I cut and pasted from my word document and didn't see the true length. It WILL NOT happen again.
Who do i think i am, Radical MJ?
CB, no need to apologize. I read every word, and my soul was satisfied, for man does not live for bread, but for the word of God. Amos 8 declares that in the end times would come a famine; not of bread and water, but of hearing the word of God.
Thank you for posting, and having the cojones to put it out there. May God bless you and yours.
Yiou idiots, like Seek_Truth, are a major part of the problem - brain-washed idiots, deceived by the cultural inertia of a book written by highly fallible men, fitting events to fit your worldview - which no other evidence is allowed to challenge.
And replete with bullshit
"We note in Acts 7:22 that “Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians…” Yet the errant “scientific” practices of Egypt are absent in the first five books of the Bible, written by Moses approximately 1491-1451 B.C. The Torah is famous for its advanced knowledge about diet, hygiene, quarantine and sanitation. It far surpasses that possessed by the Egyptians and other ancient societies of that day (even including the Romans and Minoans).In fact, it far exceeded medical standards practiced as recently as the early 1900’s in modern society.
The Egyptians were *light-years* ahead of the Hebrews in virtually every regard.
You've embraced nothing but Quasi-Judaism in which what is worshipped is "the Jew" himself.
And by the way - it's called cherry-picking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29
And you do not understand Math and Applied Science...especially Probability, Logarithms and Absurdities.
You have not even considered what Roger Penrose calculated.
I laugh in your face at your ignorance.
But we are probably not going to be here for much longer.
So enjoy your Nuclear Sunrise, brought to you by the boys at the White House and the Kremlin.
So a book, written by people who follow a religion that stole most of it's ideas from it's predecessors such as Zoroastrianism, and who later co-opted pagan rituals and holidays, is somehow foretelling the future in a very vague way that has to be massaged a bit to come out just right? Sounds just a tiny bit like confirmation bias to me. Who am I kidding though? I'm just a reptillian shapeshifter here to steal your gold!
BTW if you look into Zoroastrianism, which itself came after even older Indian religious myths, you will notice it started in present day Iran which was quite an advanced civilization until the arab islamists came around. The islamists whittled away at their culture, developed some mythology to bring them into the fold and in some cases just bribed/harassed/legislated against them until they converted. Now look what a glorious place exists over there. Coming soon to Europe and the U.S.???
I concur with the Legends covered by the Jewish Bible having some "special" help. Genesis tends to record the appearance of the Living in proper order; and the basic Kosher Dietary Laws that separate the Clean from the Unclean "tend" to work for the benefit of the observer - IMHO, the main Biblical texts made a pretty good guideline for a pre-industrial aged Society to survive and have some degree of health and hygiene.
The Rabbinical Bias in the Commentary, however, are another story. Those who believe that the Jewish alone are holy/pious/enlightened/touched by the Divine seem to overlook the fact that Abraham, the "First Y'hudan" gave Tithes and Offerings to the "Priest-King" Malki-Tzedek (who obviously WASN'T Jewish); and Isaiah (Y'sha'Ya-hu, if I'm not mistaken with the literal Hebrew with the Name-respective suffix) records of provisions made for those who Honor the Creator depicted by the Jewish Temple Priests - yet rejected/rejected by/not part of the Jewish Populace.
The Old Temple System accommodated many a Gentile who presented him/herself before the "House of Prayer unto All Nations". There's the Catch All that doesn't translate very well in Rabbinical Circles of the Modern Age. From what I observed in SoCal, the Modern Orthodox, the Sephardim, and the Reform seem to stand Upright. The Masons/Masorti, the Persians/Mitzrahi(who wanted screw over IRN(judging from a dialogue I had with one Persian Jewish Man, even willing to screw over the Jewish residing in IRN just to pull off a Shock and Awe Stunt); and on the local level, screw me over for serving in the Gulf protecting Civilians), and the Chabad (and their students) - not so much.
Sorry, Xians, Mormons, JWs, and J4Js - Jeezus and Xianity have NOTHING to do with this.
Dear Christians, enjoy the latest slap in the face by Jewish Hollywood this Christmas - and remember, you couldn't do it to them, but they can do it to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDN-l8-ZDw
Jews Boast of Owning Hollywood—But Slam Gentiles Who Say the Same
http://newobserveronline.com/jews-boast-of-owning-hollywood-but-slam-gen...
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Jews_Boast_of_Owning_Hollywood_-_Bu...
http://newobserveronline.com/rumors-of-netyanhus-son-dating-norwegian-gi...
If the Jews want Hollywood, let them have that garbage.
i'll second that
my main source of entertainmet in movies is from Hong Kong...
Burn Hollywood, Burn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwbHywyHyOU
"...blitzkrieg actions into Germany"
Ah, blitzkrieg actions in Germany...
Have you heard about desalination.......easy fix.
Sure have, how do the economics work out for agriculture again ?
Most people are unaware that Israel is a major agricultural exporter(love those
Jaffa oranges myself), and that agricultue is a strategic imperative of the state.
Both for employment and to be self reliant if sanctioned, again.
I remember the Arab embargo, broke it on several occaisons myself.
Producing oranges and bananas is not as important as you may believe it to be. Israel is not self suficient in food production. It produces a few token items, Oranges, bananas, fruits, tomatoes, a little cotton and thats it. It is not at all a major agricultural exporter.
There are no grain fields in Israel nor pastures. There are feeding lots for cattle that simple transform imported feed into meat and chicken.
No potatoes, no fisheries of any importance. Barely a few vineyards in the hills.
You are gonna push now this crazy idea that all wars in the middle east are to protect the israeli orange, banana and hydroponic tomatoes business?
Self sufficiency? Israel imports italian mineral water, it doesnt care about self sufficiency. It cares about exporting and keeping a trade balance to fund imports.
Weird, I grew wheat in Israel. I guess you are wrong.
Thank you for mowing down the troll.
http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?country=il&commodity=wheat&graph=...
According to this chart Israel grew 90.000 tons of wheat last year.
Thats 15 kg for every israeli, every year.
How is that significant? Its symbolic at best.
Israel cannot feed more than half a million people out of its own resources.
What, one stalk? Enough for a loaf? Did you took pictures of your biblical experience farm?
Israel only works because of MASSIVE subsidies from the US, Germany, and the diaspora.
As for Jaffa
http://www.wrmea.org/2008-july/the-nakba-continues-the-ethnic-cleansing-...
https://electronicintifada.net/content/jaffa-eminence-ethnic-cleansing/8088
Not that you care, I suspect.
The Zionists destroyed and renamed about 350 Arab villages.
You can see one, where a massacre of the natives took place at the hands of European Jews determined to form an ethnarchy on land that didn't belong to them, from Yad Vashem.
Desal water is much more expensive than oil.
And... Yes it is more about water rights than oil. The Jordan river is now a small slow moving creek.
Winston,
I went digging a bit and it sounds like control of the river has been an issue for over 100 years. Isreal has attempted many times to secure it.
I think more the point at issue is the urgency you put behind achieving that objective. Got any sources that say Isreal is up shit creek without the water?
I don't doubt it is an objective, but MENA is horribly complicated. Hell, I have a hard time keeping up with all the actors, much less their alliances/fueds with all the others. I definately like the additional subject matter to consider, but I can't see how to compare it in magnitude to the other common themes floated, such as the pipeline as reported extensively by ZH.
Regards,
Cooter
Check out Israeli ag. production data over the last 20 years as a start.
There are photos of the river Jordan over time on the net.
Most all ag. is irrigated from the Jordan in Israel..
The pieces of the puzzle you have to put together yourself, though I saw a link somewhere else here where somebody also came to the same conclusion.This is really old news CC, I was taught about this as a future problem fifty years ago in school.
https://youtu.be/RfE8wBReIxw?t=5645
" The old 20th century supply systems couldn't cope with the new conditions. Major rivers in Russia and the US ran dry. In the Middle East, the country at the head of one river shut off supplies to the two downstream countries and they sent in fighter bombers to turn the water back on."
25 years ago, James Burke in After The Warming
"The pipeline from Qatar is a real project too, though."
Says who?
Do you think Uncle Sugar is going to let an Arab desert kingdom of 150k natives compete with Israel's Leviathan find?
{this is leaving aside the fact running through syria isn't *necessary* and flooding a place with fractitious foreign jihadis does not leave a place well suited for the construction of a very long pipeline}.
Just sayin'...
President Obamush?
Israel is screwed now that Egypt discovered a huge gas field as well, who are they going to sell their gas to if Assad doesn't fall? Jordan lol? Palestinians?
Where is the water in S Leb? Is it a river? Isn't there some water in the Golan Heights which was Syria's land.
The only way they can take South Lebanon is if Hezbollah is weakened a lot. I just don't see that happening.
They will try to take Russia back. I hope there are lots of backup Putins (like Putin) who support the Russian people and are not sellout.s
The Litani is part of the headwaters of the river Jordan.
The Golan overlooks the Jordan.Whick looks like a stream in comparison to what is was fifty
ago, and a dried up mud hole relative to 150yrs ago. I wish I could post
a photo from the 1860's I have of the Jordan, its a glass plate negative taken by my great grandfather.
Overthrowing Assad cuts Hezbollahs supply lines,which is THE point of the excercise.
If, as reported yesterday, Putin is going to supply Hezbollah direct with armaments, Putin will have a
Israels balls in a vice, no wonder Nutjob is going apeshit..
Congratulations, Mr. Churchill. You're thinking clearly, and analyzing strategically.
If only more ZH bloggers would start with basic principles and interests, and then think more than 1 move ahead, they too could come to the same realizations that you have.
You're not the first ZH blogger to have pointed this out (Kirk2NCC1701 has), but at least this is now getting some traction in the ZH community.
It was taught to me fifty years ago in English public school.I've known the real
motivation for a very long time.
It didn't occur to me it was some big secret until relatively recently.
Can you tell me why they would not just build some desalination facilities? If it is because it is cheaper for them to cause all this insanity and death then karma is gonna be nasty to them. In fact, this may be the beginning of it.
Costs money ?
If you are correct about that, then it looks like people are getting what they deserve, though I found some things that bear interest...
not that I vouch for any of these sources...
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/06/14/413981435/israel-bringi...
http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/534996/megascale-desalinat...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article24765472.html
Desal is expensive - ok. But what about all the Leviathon gas being used to fire the plants?
some facts about desalination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination
shurely a key sentence there:
"it may be more economical to transport fresh water from somewhere else than to desalinate it."
here a factsheet, but dont forget, the energyprize is very volatile...:
http://www.rac.es/ficheros/doc/00731.pdf
page 20ff
and this one, more just an article, how things can get complicated and more expensive, but still an option:
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-des...
Thanks for the Mercury article. As you guys have been saying - very expensive. I guess I am just angry because all the killing going on over there.
the Carlsbad Desalination Plant is a historic engineering marvel. And it is a survivor, having endured six years of government permitting, from the Carlsbad City Council to the California Coastal Commission. Supporters won 14 lawsuits and appeals by environmentalists before finally breaking ground in December 2012.
Desalinated water typically costs about $2,000 an acre foot -- roughly the amount of water a family of five uses in a year. The cost is about double that of water obtained from building a new reservoir or recycling wastewater, according to a 2013 study from the state Department of Water Resources.
That makes much more sense than the pipeline theory. As you say, it would be indefensible, and there's no reason to run it through Syria anyway, plenty of other routes that wouldn't have required a massive effort to overthrow a government.
My question: that covers Israel, but what's the US, Saudi, Qatari, and Turkish interest in toppling Assad?
It is just a general desire to weaken Iran, or is there something more specific?
All have their own motive and potential spoils of war to fight for.
You could read a 100 page report on them and not even touch the surface.
Tribal, religous, and personal emnitys going back hundreds of years are never forgotten.
With the pipeline out of the equation, I can't think of any specific, native Saudi or Qatari interest in removing Assad (the general reason would be stifling Iran, and the foreign reason would be serving their friends in Tel Aviv and Washington). For the Turks, however, the Kurdish question comes to mind. There are a lot of Kurds in Syria; with a seat at the victors table, the Turks might expect to be able to compel the post-Assad regime to cooperate in anti-Kurdish activities. For the US, supporting Israel seems to be an end in itself; beyond that, I imagine it's all about weakening Iran in preparation for the long-awaited regime change.
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2013/06/neal-rauhauser-israel-has-no-claim-on... Found this interesting blog article about the topic. What about southern Syria, beyond the Golan heights, what is today called Daraa? I see it more likely that Israel could try to gain land from a disintegarting Syrian state, rather than the Lebanon, that may happen at a later stage though.
Good point Winston. I have always been dubious about the Pipeline argument. As you say, even if built, this pipeline would run through very hostile places, sure to be hit over and over again.
Now WATER and Israel. You are barking up the right tree. Much of all of this is about Greater Israel. If you were old like me, you would remember back when secular Arab states actually possed a real threat to Israel. All those state are now torn to pieces by US policy. So, see the connection?
Israel must, with in a decade take and hold souther Lebanon of perish. The only water left is there, Israel must have it. So they will take it, to hold it, they need Syria dead and Lebanon a failed stated.
I maintain most of this is Israeli based. With the US doing Israeli bidding.
Sure you were dubious.
the Qatar pipeline argument never made any sense because:
1] you don't build a pipeline through chaos which will last years, which is precisely what Israel, most of all wants - a bloodletting that destroys another regional economic, and to an extent military rival.
2] Cost/benefit wise it doesn't make sense to spend this sort of money and time to go through Syria - look at a map.
3] Israel's Leviathan find, it's plans to ethnically cleanse the remainder of Palestine, and find/create pretexts to attack and invade more of Lebanon, Syria, and Sinai. It's plans to steal the gas that, if international law applied to the Jewish State, Gaza, Syria, and Lebanon.
Early Zionist Interest In Lebanon - Laura Zittrain Eisenberg
http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/history/zionism.html
Israel Wants The Litani River Desperately
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2010/08/israel-wants-litani-rive...
HOORAY FOR HEZBOLLAH!
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id775.html
Of course it never made sense. Is that the new meme? Because as of one week ago, the pipeline was all the rage here.
Some of us (perhaps those who consulted a map of the region) have been critical of it all along.
it will continue to be the rage.
It's a cover conspiracy {if you will} for the real motives involving Israel/Leviathan/Lebensraum and encircling/weakening Russia.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
https://archive.org/details/MastersOfDeception
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book
http://how911wasdone.com/
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http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory
Anyone who rejects out of hand the idea that Israel and its sayanim in the .gov were heavily involved in 911 is either a brainwashed Ziopath who simply rejects, a priori, any evidence against Israel's military or government, or is fantastically stupid.
Forget how the buildings came down - do you not have the sense that 14 years on, there will be no knockout punch there?
Focus on who had means, motive, and opportunity. Who had media influence and who stood to benefit - then make up your own mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
Of course, there was no op without Cheney and the Joint Chiefs.
Lots of unexplained absences the morning of 9/11 - lots of promotions for what was, at a minimum, gross negligence and dereliction of duty.
If they do, they will dispose of the locals in a way that makes Eichman
look like a piker, Jack.
They have truly turned into the monsters that may have persecuted them.
This is a load of crap. I lived in the Caribbean and our source of water was desalinization plant. It wasn't as expansive as you say, even the poorest locals could easily afford it. The problem with desalinization plants was that intake valves would clog up with seaweed during storms!
There is no evidence whatsoever that Israel is planing any aggression towards its neighbors. It's also no secret that ALL of Israel air strikes into Syria involved intercepts of weapons shipments from Iran; that's clearly stated in mainstream media reporting!
You must be a deluded old twig, if you even attempt to compare Nazi Germany Lebensraum policies of total liquidation of local populations to modern Israeli politics of settler land grab in the West Bank.
The carribean is not a reclaimed desert under intensive agriculture.
Engage brain before posting or look like the idiot you probably are.
The muzzies just want to kill all non-muzzies and any of their own that disagree on doctrine. The US pays them to do it so why not. You try to make it much more complicated than it is.
Excuse me! I am not the one who is posting made up shit. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are reclaimed deserts too. Many islands in the Caribbean are maybe not reclaimed deserts, but there is no water for humans or animals to survive either.
So you can't read as well can't think.
Intensive agriculture on reclaimed desert.Apart from playing fields,parks, and racecourses I'm pretty sure
they don't irrigate agriculture.Didn't when I was there.
As I said engage brain,if you have one.
What's a load of crap is the claim there is no evidence Israel is planning any aggression towards its neighbors. Israel kills Palestinians every week. It is taking more land and pushing the natives off every single day. Simply put, the word "aggression" doesn't mean what you think it does.
You must read Winston's post first. He claims that Israel is planning mass murder of Southern Lebanon population worse than what Hitler and Eichmann did to Jews in order to meet its own water needs. I am only specifically addressing that issue.
Their treatment of the Palestinians is already nazi and inhuman, once you start on that road there is only
one destination.
First off, you didn't limit your claim to Southern Lebanon. You made it as broad as possible by stating "Israel's neighbors." Second, Israel most certainly is planning to attack Southern Lebanon. It has done so many times in the past, and it will do so again.
I'm old like you Jack,but travelled extensively throughout the MENA, a family tradition you could say,
my great grandfather and grandfather were involved in opening up tourism/biz to a lot of
the area.Long before oil was discovered. Have some 'wrong side of the blanket' relatives
who I keep in contact with as well.
Yes, the Israelis are also (in addition to the water business) clearly motivated by a general desire to destabilize any potential Arab competitor, as per the strategy laid out in "A Clean Break."
Sir Winston, is the potable water issue really an existential one? I would think the Leviathan gas field could power a LOT of desalination plants.
Maybe, but the domino's were set in motion long ago, and we are talking vast ammounts of water.
Huge infrastructure to build and put into operation very quickly, plus the potential for intl sanctions
over Palestinian gas being stolen.
Would cost a lot of shekels in lost revenue as well, not that that would influence the jewish state I'm sure.
The fact that nothing has been done along those lines tells you which option has been chosen.
'Is it possible, is it even conceivable that the Jews, by sheer weight of their influence alone, could unleash a world war? It is probably unbelievable, and yet this is exactly what has happened three times in the course of the last half century, in 1900, with the Transvaal war, in 1917, with the entrance of the Americans into the war on the side of the Allies, and in 1939, with the commencement of the Second World War.
In this chapter I am simply going to deal with the case of the entry of the United States into the First World War in 1917 on the side of the Allies, and I will show that this contention rests on solid proof.'
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-Nationa...
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Iraq Crisis—Inevitable Consequence of the Jewish Lobby’s Planned Middle East Warmongering
http://newobserveronline.com/iraq-crisis-inevitable-consequence-of-the-j...
Did the Zionist Lobby Drive the US Into the Iraq War?
http://codoh.com/library/document/52/
Iraq: A War For Israel
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml
Every player in an alliance has their own motivations. This isn't a high school football team.
That said, Qatar's motivation is not about ambition to build their own pipeline. Pepe Escobar doesn't have the brains (or balls) to take on the best and brightest petroleum engineering PhD's in both big oil and wall street and tell them they are wrong, full of shit, and got played like two dolla whores...
If Assad asked "how high?" everytime the U.S. told him to jump, Syria would be chair of the U.N. Human Right Commision.
'The Israelis are now also admitting that they work with al-Qaeda:
Together with some local militias Nusra is in charge of most of the 100-kilometer border with Israel on the Syria side of the Golan Heights. In recent years, Nusra slightly toned down its militant ideology due to the influence of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which provide it with financial support.
...
Nusra is in control of most of the border but so far has reached a tacit understanding not to turn its weapons against the Jewish state.
Nusra controls the border because Israel has helped it by firing at the Syrian army whenever Nusra needed help. The linked Jerusalem Post piece is also of interest with regards to the famous Odet Yinon plan as it confirms that destroying Middle Eastern nations into warlord statelets is supervised by the Israeli military intelligence:
Some years back, the intelligence community started to reassess the chaotic reality emerging in the Middle East. Maps drawn up by MI’s Research Department show states being replaced by organizations. ...
That is the plan also for Syria. But with stronger support now forming up to regain Syrian territories that plan might well falter.'
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
Our CIA is also helping them. The only people who don't know are the brain dead American public.
Lemme get it straight… Saudi Arabia and Qatar can’t handle the Houtis in Yemen, but they think they can take on Russia? Oh, boy! I need a bigger popcorn bucket! ;-)
Putin is confident in his backing at home. Russian people are, for lack of a better way to put it, accustomed to "doing without" while supporting the motherland. Saudi, on the other hand, has completely spoilt their home population with their temporary wealth (now in doubt), paying them just to live, making them soft and expectant, petulant, self indulgent (sound familiar?). Putin is quite obviously "going for it", pressing his position, because he believes he will prevail. The gloves are off. USA is broke, and Putin knows it. Petrodollar is on its death bed, and he knows it, and he is willing to overtly hasten its death.
Final question, for bonus points: how do nations traditionally finance wars?
Answer: BY DEBASING THEIR CURRENCIES.
Didn't someone pull some kind of shit like that on the Soviet Union a few decades back? ;-)
Well, "Someone" did, and "Someone Else" has a strong opinion on this very matter - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-collapse-of-the-soviet-union-was-catastrophe-of-the-century-6147493.html
Add the "conveniently forgotten" 25 million Russian deaths in WW2 ( http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp ), and the "West" might be heading for a very rude awakening . . . .
(Incidentally - notice how "The Special Victims Group" has their own special entry in the WW2 Statistics . . . . . Mustn't let anyone "forget" their "Victimhood", must we . . . .)
The Russian people can feed themselves. Not lavishly; cabbage and "cole" vegetables; potatoes; a little meat, fish and poultry; cold-weather grains; but they can feed themselves. Not so much for the Saudis and Qataris etc. Also, the Russians make their own stuff. They don't have to import slaves who outnumber them.
Yes, if the luxury is suddenly removed from their lives, the Russian people wouldn't notice, never having had much in the first place. But the Saudis and Qataris can't survive in their current arrangements.
Yep, if the Saudi's actually invade, the House of Saud just signed their own death warrants. Then all real human rights activists (those not funded by the US State Department) can raise a toast to Putin. There must be at least 5 or 6 of those people worldwide.
So, millions of Saudi refugees invading Europe ?
"So, millions of Saudi refugees invading Europe?"
More like, 100 Saudi Royals invading Monaco.