US Government Accused Of "War Crime" By Doctors Without Borders In Bombing That Killed 22

Tyler Durden's picture

In the aftermath of Saturday's tragic and unprecedented bombing of an Afghanistan hospital by the US air force, one which killed 22 and continued for 30 minutes after mission command has been allegedly notified of the "error" which the US initially claimed was "collateral damage", the Doctors without Borders physician group in charge of operating the hospital has come out swinging and has equated the US bombing of a hospital to engaging in nothing short of a war crime.

According to AFP, "pressure mounted on Washington Monday to come clean over the apparent US airstrike on an Afghan hospital that killed 22, an incident the Pentagon chief said was "confused and complicated" but which medical charity MSF branded a war crime."

MSF general director Christopher Stokes, however, had no intention of waiting:

"Under the clear presumption that a war crime has been committed, MSF demands that a full and transparent investigation into the event be conducted by an independent international body."

Stokes also hit out at claims by Afghan officials that insurgents were using the hospital as a position to target Afghan forces and civilians.

"These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside because they claim that members of the Taliban were present," he said.

"This amounts to an admission of a war crime. This utterly contradicts the initial attempts of the US government to minimise the attack as 'collateral damage'."

Others joined in: UN rights chief Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein has also called for a full and transparent probe, noting: "An air strike on a hospital may amount to a war crime."

To be sure, the US which has done everything in its power in the past week to divert attention to Russian bombardment in Syria as attacks on Syrian "civilians" and "moderate rebels", had a canned response: Defense Secretary Ashton Carter expressed sadness over the "tragic loss of life" but warned that the investigation will not be swift.

"The situation there is confused and complicated so it may take some time to get the facts, but we will get the facts, but we will be full and transparent about sharing them," he told reporters on a flight to Madrid at the start of a European tour.

Then, moments ago after the US government did in fact admit, again, it was at fault, the DwB once again lashes out at the US government with the following statement:

"Today the US government has admitted that it was their airstrike that hit our hospital in Kunduz and killed 22 patients and MSF staff. Their description of the attack keeps changing—from collateral damage, to a tragic incident, to now attempting to pass responsibility to the Afghanistan government. The reality is the US dropped those bombs. The US hit a huge hospital full of wounded patients and MSF staff. The US military remains responsible for the targets it hits, even though it is part of a coalition. There can be no justification for this horrible attack. With such constant discrepancies in the US and Afghan accounts of what happened, the need for a full transparent independent investigation is ever more critical."

So what is the US response? Why desperately attempt to pivot once again to Russian "war crimes"

  • NATO URGES RUSSIA TO STOP HARMING CIVILIANS, SYRIAN OPPOSITION

And the biggest US strategic asset in the region, of course: ISIS.

More importantly, we fail to find any historical precedent for a Nobel Peace Prize winner having been accused of engaging in war crimes just several short years later.

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Tonald J Drump's picture

guess what folks...this b.s. will NOT happen under MY watch... Let's make America great again !!

SharkBit's picture

Obozo, you looser!  You're fired.

V in PA's picture

Maybe they (DWB) will rethink their stance on TPP now.

Fish Gone Bad's picture

Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.  This may not make them an enemy, but it certainly makes them a liability.  Soooooo they must be removed by accidentally killing them.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

 the need for a full transparent independent investigation is ever more critical."

 

Ayup, checks in the mail

 

P.S. To the prez, if you had any moral compass at all you'd give those awards back!

BurningFuld's picture

Time to dial back the pilots amphetamine doses.

Gazooks's picture

not a-wards

 

 

awk-wards 

Nenad's picture
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Mister Ponzi's picture

At least they were killed by democratic bombs thrown out of a democratic plane by a democratic pilot. Or, as convicted war criminal Jamie Shea said when NATO bombed a passenger train in Serbia in 1999: "The pilot dropped the bomb in good faith as you would expect a pilot from a democratic NATO country to do."

COSMOS's picture

Hmm, a FULL Transparent Investigation LOL, like all those previous ones for downed airliners around the globe.

palmereldritch's picture

Instead of The Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon the US State Department plays The Three Degrees of Putin.

Well...this one is going to be a challenge.

Urban Redneck's picture

SecDef Ashwipe Carter is parsing words... "the investigation will be swift" if it is an independent (i.e. INTERNATIONAL) investigation, because now that the US has admitted targeting the hospital, unless it can provide (swiftly) substantial evidence that the US actions were justified, then US is guilty by default (or delay) as without extenuating circumstances (and office scuttlebutt from "moderate" Taliban towelhead is not an extenuating circumstance), an intentional attack on a hospital is a war crime.


BoNeSxxx's picture

Succinct and on point as per usual UR. Always enjoy your contributions.

The asshat who down voted you notwithstanding... Of course he didn't stick around to share his quarrel with your comment - someone needs to explain fight club to him...

HowdyDoody's picture

US Government Accused Of "War Crime" By Doctors Without Borders In Bombing That Killed 22

What's with the scare quotes. It is a war crime. Not that anything will happen as a result.

Jeffersonian Liberal's picture

We now know that the Nobel committee gave him that award not based upon what he had accomplished but based upon what they hoped he would accomplish if they were to give him the award.

But look at that jackasse's proud smile, proud as if he actually did something to earn that award.

What demented sort of a narcissist could actually receive an award like that having done absolutely nothing?

I can see giving every 5-year old on the Tee-ball team a little trophy, because, you know, they are little kids and doing something they don't have to do and you want to encourage them.

Last I checked, the age requirement for POTUS is 35.

I don't think the Founding Fathers intended that to included 35-year olds with the emotional  development of a 5-year old.

But that's what they forced upon us.

 

 

Pickleton's picture

"The reality is the US dropped those bombs."

 

I just heard on the Buck Sexton radio program that Afghanis were the ones doing the call for fire (requesting the airstrike).  This will forever be lost on the anti-American DWB bufoons and some of the blame-America-firsters here.

 


Jack Burton's picture

You do know that No Afghan military member has the ability to "call in an Air Strike?" No way in hell! That is why Afghan units have US Special Forces who operate with them, as they are trained in forward air support. Only a US Military Member can call in an Air Strike.

These Afghan units DID have US Special Forces with them at the time, even US CNN sources admit as much.

I suggest that you research Military procedure and you will find that in this one case I am correct. An Afghan would NEVER be trained in the prgram that qualifies one to call in US Air Assests for an Air Strike. Seriously, you MUST know this, and in that case you are trying to "pull one over on us".

And yes, I have served in the military. As has my son in law who was combat infantry in Iraq. For 14 months.

Pickleton's picture

You do know that No Afghan military member has the ability to "call in an Air Strike?" No way in hell!

 

You know we partner with them and they sure as hell can.  I guess not.  And yes I personally have served in the Marine Corps in artillery, SPECIFICALLY doing call for fire, and YES it sure as hell DOES happen.  Oh well, give your thumb and stay low info. 

 

 

 

Bay of Pigs's picture

So the Afgahni miltitary objective was to shell a hospital in their own country and kill doctors and innocent civilians?

You are a special kind of stupid for even suggesting that is what happened there.

FreedomGuy's picture

You are correct, Pickelton. I also know what I am talking about. I did time as a mortar platoon leader in an armored battalion. I can remember a time or two where I wondered where the hell my rounds dropped and we had to recheck everything from aiming stakes to firing data. Shit goes wrong.

You have three armies, Afghan, Taliban and American. You have two languages, the confusion of battle, an urban area, what appears to be an unmarked hospital and the ability of all three to call in supporting fire. Taliban may be scampering from building to building and might use either the building or a courtyard, etc,

All these armchair, video-game, ready to blame America types pretend they know what are talking about or the "truth" of the matter. Bullshit. I don't even know the exact truth but I do know there is no way the U.S. Purposely targeted a medical building with Western doctors. If we did, it would be gone with 90% casualties.

I also doubt a French civilian doctor knows the difference between an artillery round, a mortar round, a missile strike or their propane tanks blowing up. They probably cannot tell the difference in Taliban mortars or rockets and Afghan or American. They DO probably believe the USA is the source of all evil.

I am also interested in the next UN investigation into Taliban war crimes, ISIS and a few other gems of the ME.

WOAR's picture

Mortars aren't planes. I'm Air Force - you know, the branch that actually controls its munitions, and doesn't walk them through airports to drop in "Amnesty Boxes."

No, you can't just call in an air strike. Pilots are not fucking grunts huddling behind artillery, they are officers. They get the go-ahead from so many levels above the ground, they might as well get it from the International Space Station.

There are also so many god-damn cameras on those planes, that even an idiot could spot the difference between a hostile outpost in an ongoing firefight, and a fucking hospital on the side-lines. They had orders to bomb it, and they did it.

To blame it on bad information, when America has fucking satellite coverage to double-check itself BEFORE it blows something to hell, is the height of stupidity.

FreedomGuy's picture

You're not a pilot, but you are an asshole. First, anyone who is combat would not talk about "fucking grunts".  You are someone who passes out beans or blankets, aren't you? Maybe you repair flat tires. No one owns a place until a "fucking grunt" stands on it, and no one in the service would use disparaging terms like that who'd done any tours of duty.

I know mortars are not planes, REMF asshole. I did not say they were. Without further information I was suggesting that the DWOB's probably did not know what hit them and it could have been many things.

All your surveillance comments are bullshit, too. An unmarked hospital will not look any different and you and I do not know if any Taliban were there. Satellite images may or may not be able to tell the difference. Niether you nor I know what the intelligence was, what the situation on the ground looked like, or the conditions, dimwit.

There is an FO somewhere up front who is calling in the air support as well as any artillery batteries that are available. It will go thru a relay to say what asset are available and/or on station, right, dipshit?

Right now there have been reports of helicopter gunships, aircraft and artillery and unknown cause of explosion. The Pentagon will figure it out.

Tell us what your MOS is the air force is, WOAR.

You buy the proposition that America purposely blew up a hospital with Western doctors? They thought this was a great idea.

 

WOAR's picture

I'm AMMO. I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S. I deal with the bombs before they get loaded onto planes. I've got hands-on experience testing missiles. I know the capabilities of our armaments. In fact, it's not anything Top Secret - just look on wikipedia. Most of our munitions are detailed there.

I call bullshit on you for several reasons.

An unmarked hospital will not look any different and you and I do not know if any Taliban were there.

That would be true...if the doctors hadn't already informed us beforehand that they were there. Three days in advance. Sure, that's not a lot of time, but it's plenty of time to turn an unmarked location into a marked one. Maybe somebody fucked it up and an e-mail got delayed, shit happens, sure. I can tell you one thing however - there was nobody shooting from that hospital. There was no ground fire coming from that position. Nobody else was fucking there but the doctors (according to Doctors without Borders). So when somebody put eyes on target, and made the call, they fucking made it.

Niether you nor I know what the intelligence was...

You mean we just bomb people without verifying what's going on? Huh. That's a new way to do warfare. Just call in co-ordinates and throw bombs around. I mean, it's not like civilians were known to be in the area...

Fucking ridiciulous.

You buy the proposition that America purposely blew up a hospital with Western doctors?

Best case scenario? I buy that some Afghan told us the position was hostile, some dude on the ground pointed a laser pointer at the location, and a pilot didn't check shit before he started pressing the 'HAVOC!' buttons. That still puts America at fault, for not being responsible with weapons of mass destruction.

Bombing a hospital is a war crime. Period.

o r c k's picture

Thanks Jack, that's the kind of factual info. we need to be disseminated in order to make an accurate judgment. Maybe the Afghans requested a strike but ofcourse the US forces had to make the final call.  Making the US fully responsible.

Man-Bear-Pig's picture

Who cares who called it in?

It was nothing more than an error.  Which happens during combat.  It isn't a war crime or a conspiracy -- no matter how bad the pea brained f*cktards on here want it to be.

American pilots don't intentionally try and kill innocents.  Only Islamic pilots (and Russian -- KAL 007) do that.

Doctors Without Borders has lost people before in Afghanistan.  It is a combat zone with Islamists running around chopping off heads.  They knew there was a risk. 

When the Taliban moved in, the DWB should have moved out.

I have no sympathy for anyone but the children of Afghanistan and the military men and women we have over their doing what our government asks them.

 

Talleyrand's picture

Every man's sin is his own.

OzFan's picture

An illegal war my sheeple USA USA USA fck yeah friend

PhilofOz's picture

American military has no right whatsoever to be there.... they are fu#*ing invaders! On that alone they are as guilty as fu*#!!!

A Nanny Moose's picture

Pewblik schooling has done its job on you. Nationalist.

Pickleton's picture

Mmm no, I just happened to have served in an Artillery battery and know it's possible.  Moron.

dark pools of soros's picture

And why are we still there jackwad??  Cuz we can still suck the fuck out of trillions of debt bombing dirt piles and doctors

 

if bombs were free, there would be no wars

 

 

HowdyDoody's picture

The US army 'trains' the military of all countries it occupies to be nothing more than hard core police. They do want to leave a capable military there should they (ever) leave.

 

Jeffersonian Liberal's picture

Oooh. You dared to imply that America is not directly behind every single instance of evil in this world.

You are going to ZH downvote hell for that one, brother!!

Lea's picture

"Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.  This may not make them an enemy, but it certainly makes them a liability."'

No way. DwB is (was) a perfectly pro-American, certified 100% French US/NATO vassal charity. They're probably lamenting ever having trusted the USA.

It was an accident. Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No investigation is needed. The Pentagon knows full well the name of the one who ordered the bombing, of course. Why dither? Produce the bloke already.

Christophe2's picture

Doctors Without Borders (DWB) is far worse than even that.

TPTB need doctors to treat their al Qaeda killers, so they trick stupid doctors into 'volunteering' to 'help' people in 3rd world nations - particularly where there is warfare, 'cos after all, who needs medical help more than the person who had their arm blown off?

So the fucking loser doctors who regret being rotten corporate sellouts feel they need to do something special to make up for how they sell out people for personal profit, and so they end 'sacraficing themselves' up in the middle of nowhere treating al qaeda killers.

If some al qaeda rapist-junkie-mad-killer is dying in a hospital bed, then it is VERY hard for a reasonable person to not treat him (even though it would be better if he couldn't get back on the battlefield to harm more people).

So NOT ONLY do DWB help al qaeda wage its wars on Syria, Libya, etc. ("couldn't a done without 'em!"), in addition, the whole organization exists to further the warmongers' objectives, so they will OFTEN be used in the psy-ops, like for example when NATO was trying to false-flag Syria with chemical warfare attacks, DWB was FIRST IN FUCKING LINE to deceptively tell everyone (and the 'united nations') how Syria was responsible and needed to get bombed!

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So in short: DWB = a bunch of evil (or deluded) motherfuckers trying to look good. 

FUCK THEM.

hannah's picture

sadly christophe2 is right. i read years ago on a military forum the same story of what dwb did....this was from the mouths of the doctors trying to get gigs over there.

Glorious Kataifi's picture

Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.

This is the most intelligent explanation of the attack I came across so far.

It also implies that the US is planning something horrible in the region if they took the risk to go to war with MSF, which are not some destitute natives without access to media and legal channels.

pods's picture

When this was reported first in the Matrix news the title said "Bombing at Afghan hospital kills xxxxxxxx."

It had no mention in the title that we did it.  Even in the story it said "coalition forces" and some bs about gunfire from there.

I guess there was a correction but nobody reads that shit days later.

pods

TAALR Swift's picture

My analysis indicates that the sheer number of Episodes (incidents of alleged collateral damage) is so vast, that eventually even mere "Incompetence" does not explain the trend. Other variables must be at play.

As such, there comes a time, when you have to ask if this is part of a deliberate plan by some very dark and twisted souls. After all, given that there a lot of "sick puppies" out there, why would the military of high levels or government be exempt from having their share?

Time to clean house, top-down. Will the new broom sweep clean? That's what people thought in 2008. "Fool me once..."

chunga's picture

Dark and twisted is right on.

I would not be surprised to learn that the peace loving 'murikans deliberately bomb a school while wearing Russian uniforms just so they could film it and blame them.

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

Ie: the twisted creep that was COMMANDER at Canadian Forces Base Trenton a few years back. Kinky and murderous "respected" commander.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/respected-colonel-charged-w...

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p.s. excellent commenting TAALR Swift, nice to see you here : )

junction's picture

Micro-manager/murderer Obama approved this attack on the MSF hospital.  Just as our executioner-in-chief approved the August 2011 plan for the SEAL team on that helicopter, the one that mysteriously exploded in the air in Afghanistan on a false mission to capture some Taliban subchieftan.  The Defense Department ordered the bodies of those dead SEALs to be cremated, to cover up evidence of the explosive planted on the helicopter.  Awesome, isn't it, that a CIA Manchurian Candidate rules this country, assisted by fellow cokehead Biden.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-...

 

Billy Sol Estes's picture

F you maggot! Trump will carry the same MIC flag if he is elected. Sell out of the highest order.

Alok's picture

Obama said: it's coalition fault (as usual)

Syrin's picture

The Fuhrer:  We accidentally killed some folks trying to avoid the penalty for not having health insurance.  Now let's talk about taking away your guns

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

The term "war crimes" was made up by European elites who had never been close to a war. Under the Geneva and Hague treaties this probably another one. What most people don't notice is all the 'civilized' countries commit them while demanding others obey the treaties. Apparently "raze the city to the ground and then sow the ground with salt" is politically incorrect, but 'helping' the fredom fighters is cool.....

847328_3527's picture

"War Crimes" are only prosecuted against the losers.

markar's picture

If the US isn't a loser, I don't know who is.

rubiconsolutions's picture

"War Crimes" are only prosecuted against the losers.

 

Yeah, just ask the victims of Eisenhower's "Operation Keelhaul"

pazmaker's picture

Yep...killing is ok in war as long as you do it the right way and follow the rules....  You must kill people in a civilized manner!