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US Government Accused Of "War Crime" By Doctors Without Borders In Bombing That Killed 22

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In the aftermath of Saturday's tragic and unprecedented bombing of an Afghanistan hospital by the US air force, one which killed 22 and continued for 30 minutes after mission command has been allegedly notified of the "error" which the US initially claimed was "collateral damage", the Doctors without Borders physician group in charge of operating the hospital has come out swinging and has equated the US bombing of a hospital to engaging in nothing short of a war crime.

According to AFP, "pressure mounted on Washington Monday to come clean over the apparent US airstrike on an Afghan hospital that killed 22, an incident the Pentagon chief said was "confused and complicated" but which medical charity MSF branded a war crime."

MSF general director Christopher Stokes, however, had no intention of waiting:

"Under the clear presumption that a war crime has been committed, MSF demands that a full and transparent investigation into the event be conducted by an independent international body."

Stokes also hit out at claims by Afghan officials that insurgents were using the hospital as a position to target Afghan forces and civilians.

"These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside because they claim that members of the Taliban were present," he said.

"This amounts to an admission of a war crime. This utterly contradicts the initial attempts of the US government to minimise the attack as 'collateral damage'."

Others joined in: UN rights chief Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein has also called for a full and transparent probe, noting: "An air strike on a hospital may amount to a war crime."

To be sure, the US which has done everything in its power in the past week to divert attention to Russian bombardment in Syria as attacks on Syrian "civilians" and "moderate rebels", had a canned response: Defense Secretary Ashton Carter expressed sadness over the "tragic loss of life" but warned that the investigation will not be swift.

"The situation there is confused and complicated so it may take some time to get the facts, but we will get the facts, but we will be full and transparent about sharing them," he told reporters on a flight to Madrid at the start of a European tour.

Then, moments ago after the US government did in fact admit, again, it was at fault, the DwB once again lashes out at the US government with the following statement:

"Today the US government has admitted that it was their airstrike that hit our hospital in Kunduz and killed 22 patients and MSF staff. Their description of the attack keeps changing—from collateral damage, to a tragic incident, to now attempting to pass responsibility to the Afghanistan government. The reality is the US dropped those bombs. The US hit a huge hospital full of wounded patients and MSF staff. The US military remains responsible for the targets it hits, even though it is part of a coalition. There can be no justification for this horrible attack. With such constant discrepancies in the US and Afghan accounts of what happened, the need for a full transparent independent investigation is ever more critical."

So what is the US response? Why desperately attempt to pivot once again to Russian "war crimes"

  • NATO URGES RUSSIA TO STOP HARMING CIVILIANS, SYRIAN OPPOSITION

And the biggest US strategic asset in the region, of course: ISIS.

More importantly, we fail to find any historical precedent for a Nobel Peace Prize winner having been accused of engaging in war crimes just several short years later.

 

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Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6631413 Tonald J Drump
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guess what folks...this b.s. will NOT happen under MY watch... Let's make America great again !!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:41 | 6631451 SharkBit
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Obozo, you looser!  You're fired.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6631569 V in PA
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Maybe they (DWB) will rethink their stance on TPP now.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:08 | 6631614 Fish Gone Bad
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Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.  This may not make them an enemy, but it certainly makes them a liability.  Soooooo they must be removed by accidentally killing them.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:21 | 6631676 SoilMyselfRotten
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 the need for a full transparent independent investigation is ever more critical."

 

Ayup, checks in the mail

 

P.S. To the prez, if you had any moral compass at all you'd give those awards back!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:22 | 6631688 BurningFuld
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Time to dial back the pilots amphetamine doses.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:41 | 6631784 Gazooks
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not a-wards

 

 

awk-wards 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:12 | 6631921 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! Banned independent documentary reveals the truth. This will scare millions! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy! http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:17 | 6632400 Mister Ponzi
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At least they were killed by democratic bombs thrown out of a democratic plane by a democratic pilot. Or, as convicted war criminal Jamie Shea said when NATO bombed a passenger train in Serbia in 1999: "The pilot dropped the bomb in good faith as you would expect a pilot from a democratic NATO country to do."

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:09 | 6632881 COSMOS
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Hmm, a FULL Transparent Investigation LOL, like all those previous ones for downed airliners around the globe.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:45 | 6633529 palmereldritch
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Instead of The Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon the US State Department plays The Three Degrees of Putin.

Well...this one is going to be a challenge.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:16 | 6631940 Urban Redneck
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SecDef Ashwipe Carter is parsing words... "the investigation will be swift" if it is an independent (i.e. INTERNATIONAL) investigation, because now that the US has admitted targeting the hospital, unless it can provide (swiftly) substantial evidence that the US actions were justified, then US is guilty by default (or delay) as without extenuating circumstances (and office scuttlebutt from "moderate" Taliban towelhead is not an extenuating circumstance), an intentional attack on a hospital is a war crime.


Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:41 | 6633909 BoNeSxxx
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Succinct and on point as per usual UR. Always enjoy your contributions.

The asshat who down voted you notwithstanding... Of course he didn't stick around to share his quarrel with your comment - someone needs to explain fight club to him...

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:09 | 6634394 HowdyDoody
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US Government Accused Of "War Crime" By Doctors Without Borders In Bombing That Killed 22

What's with the scare quotes. It is a war crime. Not that anything will happen as a result.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 08:23 | 6634790 Jeffersonian Liberal
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We now know that the Nobel committee gave him that award not based upon what he had accomplished but based upon what they hoped he would accomplish if they were to give him the award.

But look at that jackasse's proud smile, proud as if he actually did something to earn that award.

What demented sort of a narcissist could actually receive an award like that having done absolutely nothing?

I can see giving every 5-year old on the Tee-ball team a little trophy, because, you know, they are little kids and doing something they don't have to do and you want to encourage them.

Last I checked, the age requirement for POTUS is 35.

I don't think the Founding Fathers intended that to included 35-year olds with the emotional  development of a 5-year old.

But that's what they forced upon us.

 

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:52 | 6631823 Pickleton
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"The reality is the US dropped those bombs."

 

I just heard on the Buck Sexton radio program that Afghanis were the ones doing the call for fire (requesting the airstrike).  This will forever be lost on the anti-American DWB bufoons and some of the blame-America-firsters here.

 


Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:57 | 6631855 Jack Burton
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You do know that No Afghan military member has the ability to "call in an Air Strike?" No way in hell! That is why Afghan units have US Special Forces who operate with them, as they are trained in forward air support. Only a US Military Member can call in an Air Strike.

These Afghan units DID have US Special Forces with them at the time, even US CNN sources admit as much.

I suggest that you research Military procedure and you will find that in this one case I am correct. An Afghan would NEVER be trained in the prgram that qualifies one to call in US Air Assests for an Air Strike. Seriously, you MUST know this, and in that case you are trying to "pull one over on us".

And yes, I have served in the military. As has my son in law who was combat infantry in Iraq. For 14 months.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:35 | 6632007 Pickleton
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You do know that No Afghan military member has the ability to "call in an Air Strike?" No way in hell!

 

You know we partner with them and they sure as hell can.  I guess not.  And yes I personally have served in the Marine Corps in artillery, SPECIFICALLY doing call for fire, and YES it sure as hell DOES happen.  Oh well, give your thumb and stay low info. 

 

 

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:42 | 6632037 Bay of Pigs
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So the Afgahni miltitary objective was to shell a hospital in their own country and kill doctors and innocent civilians?

You are a special kind of stupid for even suggesting that is what happened there.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:05 | 6633367 FreedomGuy
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You are correct, Pickelton. I also know what I am talking about. I did time as a mortar platoon leader in an armored battalion. I can remember a time or two where I wondered where the hell my rounds dropped and we had to recheck everything from aiming stakes to firing data. Shit goes wrong.

You have three armies, Afghan, Taliban and American. You have two languages, the confusion of battle, an urban area, what appears to be an unmarked hospital and the ability of all three to call in supporting fire. Taliban may be scampering from building to building and might use either the building or a courtyard, etc,

All these armchair, video-game, ready to blame America types pretend they know what are talking about or the "truth" of the matter. Bullshit. I don't even know the exact truth but I do know there is no way the U.S. Purposely targeted a medical building with Western doctors. If we did, it would be gone with 90% casualties.

I also doubt a French civilian doctor knows the difference between an artillery round, a mortar round, a missile strike or their propane tanks blowing up. They probably cannot tell the difference in Taliban mortars or rockets and Afghan or American. They DO probably believe the USA is the source of all evil.

I am also interested in the next UN investigation into Taliban war crimes, ISIS and a few other gems of the ME.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:34 | 6634596 WOAR
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Mortars aren't planes. I'm Air Force - you know, the branch that actually controls its munitions, and doesn't walk them through airports to drop in "Amnesty Boxes."

No, you can't just call in an air strike. Pilots are not fucking grunts huddling behind artillery, they are officers. They get the go-ahead from so many levels above the ground, they might as well get it from the International Space Station.

There are also so many god-damn cameras on those planes, that even an idiot could spot the difference between a hostile outpost in an ongoing firefight, and a fucking hospital on the side-lines. They had orders to bomb it, and they did it.

To blame it on bad information, when America has fucking satellite coverage to double-check itself BEFORE it blows something to hell, is the height of stupidity.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 14:42 | 6636329 FreedomGuy
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You're not a pilot, but you are an asshole. First, anyone who is combat would not talk about "fucking grunts".  You are someone who passes out beans or blankets, aren't you? Maybe you repair flat tires. No one owns a place until a "fucking grunt" stands on it, and no one in the service would use disparaging terms like that who'd done any tours of duty.

I know mortars are not planes, REMF asshole. I did not say they were. Without further information I was suggesting that the DWOB's probably did not know what hit them and it could have been many things.

All your surveillance comments are bullshit, too. An unmarked hospital will not look any different and you and I do not know if any Taliban were there. Satellite images may or may not be able to tell the difference. Niether you nor I know what the intelligence was, what the situation on the ground looked like, or the conditions, dimwit.

There is an FO somewhere up front who is calling in the air support as well as any artillery batteries that are available. It will go thru a relay to say what asset are available and/or on station, right, dipshit?

Right now there have been reports of helicopter gunships, aircraft and artillery and unknown cause of explosion. The Pentagon will figure it out.

Tell us what your MOS is the air force is, WOAR.

You buy the proposition that America purposely blew up a hospital with Western doctors? They thought this was a great idea.

 

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 07:02 | 6643343 WOAR
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I'm AMMO. I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S. I deal with the bombs before they get loaded onto planes. I've got hands-on experience testing missiles. I know the capabilities of our armaments. In fact, it's not anything Top Secret - just look on wikipedia. Most of our munitions are detailed there.

I call bullshit on you for several reasons.

An unmarked hospital will not look any different and you and I do not know if any Taliban were there.

That would be true...if the doctors hadn't already informed us beforehand that they were there. Three days in advance. Sure, that's not a lot of time, but it's plenty of time to turn an unmarked location into a marked one. Maybe somebody fucked it up and an e-mail got delayed, shit happens, sure. I can tell you one thing however - there was nobody shooting from that hospital. There was no ground fire coming from that position. Nobody else was fucking there but the doctors (according to Doctors without Borders). So when somebody put eyes on target, and made the call, they fucking made it.

Niether you nor I know what the intelligence was...

You mean we just bomb people without verifying what's going on? Huh. That's a new way to do warfare. Just call in co-ordinates and throw bombs around. I mean, it's not like civilians were known to be in the area...

Fucking ridiciulous.

You buy the proposition that America purposely blew up a hospital with Western doctors?

Best case scenario? I buy that some Afghan told us the position was hostile, some dude on the ground pointed a laser pointer at the location, and a pilot didn't check shit before he started pressing the 'HAVOC!' buttons. That still puts America at fault, for not being responsible with weapons of mass destruction.

Bombing a hospital is a war crime. Period.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:30 | 6632456 o r c k
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Thanks Jack, that's the kind of factual info. we need to be disseminated in order to make an accurate judgment. Maybe the Afghans requested a strike but ofcourse the US forces had to make the final call.  Making the US fully responsible.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:55 | 6633096 Man-Bear-Pig
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Who cares who called it in?

It was nothing more than an error.  Which happens during combat.  It isn't a war crime or a conspiracy -- no matter how bad the pea brained f*cktards on here want it to be.

American pilots don't intentionally try and kill innocents.  Only Islamic pilots (and Russian -- KAL 007) do that.

Doctors Without Borders has lost people before in Afghanistan.  It is a combat zone with Islamists running around chopping off heads.  They knew there was a risk. 

When the Taliban moved in, the DWB should have moved out.

I have no sympathy for anyone but the children of Afghanistan and the military men and women we have over their doing what our government asks them.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:31 | 6633233 Talleyrand
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Every man's sin is his own.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:01 | 6633970 OzFan
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An illegal war my sheeple USA USA USA fck yeah friend

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:36 | 6634083 PhilofOz
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American military has no right whatsoever to be there.... they are fu#*ing invaders! On that alone they are as guilty as fu*#!!!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:26 | 6631977 A Nanny Moose
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Pewblik schooling has done its job on you. Nationalist.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:37 | 6632016 Pickleton
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Mmm no, I just happened to have served in an Artillery battery and know it's possible.  Moron.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:52 | 6634237 dark pools of soros
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And why are we still there jackwad??  Cuz we can still suck the fuck out of trillions of debt bombing dirt piles and doctors

 

if bombs were free, there would be no wars

 

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:21 | 6634408 HowdyDoody
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The US army 'trains' the military of all countries it occupies to be nothing more than hard core police. They do want to leave a capable military there should they (ever) leave.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 08:24 | 6634795 Jeffersonian Liberal
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Oooh. You dared to imply that America is not directly behind every single instance of evil in this world.

You are going to ZH downvote hell for that one, brother!!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 15:34 | 6632202 Lea
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"Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.  This may not make them an enemy, but it certainly makes them a liability."'

No way. DwB is (was) a perfectly pro-American, certified 100% French US/NATO vassal charity. They're probably lamenting ever having trusted the USA.

It was an accident. Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No investigation is needed. The Pentagon knows full well the name of the one who ordered the bombing, of course. Why dither? Produce the bloke already.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:19 | 6632632 Christophe2
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Doctors Without Borders (DWB) is far worse than even that.

TPTB need doctors to treat their al Qaeda killers, so they trick stupid doctors into 'volunteering' to 'help' people in 3rd world nations - particularly where there is warfare, 'cos after all, who needs medical help more than the person who had their arm blown off?

So the fucking loser doctors who regret being rotten corporate sellouts feel they need to do something special to make up for how they sell out people for personal profit, and so they end 'sacraficing themselves' up in the middle of nowhere treating al qaeda killers.

If some al qaeda rapist-junkie-mad-killer is dying in a hospital bed, then it is VERY hard for a reasonable person to not treat him (even though it would be better if he couldn't get back on the battlefield to harm more people).

So NOT ONLY do DWB help al qaeda wage its wars on Syria, Libya, etc. ("couldn't a done without 'em!"), in addition, the whole organization exists to further the warmongers' objectives, so they will OFTEN be used in the psy-ops, like for example when NATO was trying to false-flag Syria with chemical warfare attacks, DWB was FIRST IN FUCKING LINE to deceptively tell everyone (and the 'united nations') how Syria was responsible and needed to get bombed!

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So in short: DWB = a bunch of evil (or deluded) motherfuckers trying to look good. 

FUCK THEM.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:00 | 6633345 hannah
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sadly christophe2 is right. i read years ago on a military forum the same story of what dwb did....this was from the mouths of the doctors trying to get gigs over there.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:59 | 6633777 Glorious Kataifi
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Doctors without borders is in a position to supply eyewitness accounts to the goings on in a war zone.

This is the most intelligent explanation of the attack I came across so far.

It also implies that the US is planning something horrible in the region if they took the risk to go to war with MSF, which are not some destitute natives without access to media and legal channels.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:11 | 6631631 pods
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When this was reported first in the Matrix news the title said "Bombing at Afghan hospital kills xxxxxxxx."

It had no mention in the title that we did it.  Even in the story it said "coalition forces" and some bs about gunfire from there.

I guess there was a correction but nobody reads that shit days later.

pods

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:04 | 6631545 TAALR Swift
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My analysis indicates that the sheer number of Episodes (incidents of alleged collateral damage) is so vast, that eventually even mere "Incompetence" does not explain the trend. Other variables must be at play.

As such, there comes a time, when you have to ask if this is part of a deliberate plan by some very dark and twisted souls. After all, given that there a lot of "sick puppies" out there, why would the military of high levels or government be exempt from having their share?

Time to clean house, top-down. Will the new broom sweep clean? That's what people thought in 2008. "Fool me once..."

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:35 | 6631755 chunga
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Dark and twisted is right on.

I would not be surprised to learn that the peace loving 'murikans deliberately bomb a school while wearing Russian uniforms just so they could film it and blame them.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:49 | 6632054 MEAN BUSINESS
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Ie: the twisted creep that was COMMANDER at Canadian Forces Base Trenton a few years back. Kinky and murderous "respected" commander.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/respected-colonel-charged-w...

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p.s. excellent commenting TAALR Swift, nice to see you here : )

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6631566 junction
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Micro-manager/murderer Obama approved this attack on the MSF hospital.  Just as our executioner-in-chief approved the August 2011 plan for the SEAL team on that helicopter, the one that mysteriously exploded in the air in Afghanistan on a false mission to capture some Taliban subchieftan.  The Defense Department ordered the bodies of those dead SEALs to be cremated, to cover up evidence of the explosive planted on the helicopter.  Awesome, isn't it, that a CIA Manchurian Candidate rules this country, assisted by fellow cokehead Biden.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/9/kuhner-who-betrayed-navy-...

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:55 | 6631842 Billy Sol Estes
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F you maggot! Trump will carry the same MIC flag if he is elected. Sell out of the highest order.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:36 | 6631418 Alok
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Obama said: it's coalition fault (as usual)

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:41 | 6631449 Syrin
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The Fuhrer:  We accidentally killed some folks trying to avoid the penalty for not having health insurance.  Now let's talk about taking away your guns

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:48 | 6631490 KnuckleDragger-X
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The term "war crimes" was made up by European elites who had never been close to a war. Under the Geneva and Hague treaties this probably another one. What most people don't notice is all the 'civilized' countries commit them while demanding others obey the treaties. Apparently "raze the city to the ground and then sow the ground with salt" is politically incorrect, but 'helping' the fredom fighters is cool.....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:53 | 6631527 847328_3527
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"War Crimes" are only prosecuted against the losers.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:17 | 6631661 markar
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If the US isn't a loser, I don't know who is.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:19 | 6631669 rubiconsolutions
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"War Crimes" are only prosecuted against the losers.

 

Yeah, just ask the victims of Eisenhower's "Operation Keelhaul"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:55 | 6631535 pazmaker
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Yep...killing is ok in war as long as you do it the right way and follow the rules....  You must kill people in a civilized manner!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:00 | 6631573 KnuckleDragger-X
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When you become an army officer, you have to learn all the things you can't do. I remember a JAG officer explaining it to us and then telling us how to get around them......

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:46 | 6633536 FreedomGuy
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Yes, but that is because some of the rules are stupid, like it is okay to shoot someone with 5.56mm ammo but not a .50cal. Most of those rules were invented by us.

The entire idea of fighting a war according to some rules is a long running concept in the West. It was no so long ago invading armies would capture a city, pillage, rape and maybe burn it to the ground, perhaps similar to ISIS today.

The things you armchair ideologues pretend you know something about are actually proof of the concepts we are debating. Do you think the Mongols, Romans, Samurai, Nazi's or Commies would even bother any investgation? It is a laughable idea. The fact we do is evidence that at least publicly we care and have some standards.

If you are in a conflict zone where armies are going back and forth which army would most civilians run towards? You morons know the answer.

Shit goes wrong in war. Over half the weapons out there are area weapons, not pinpoint direct fire weapons.

Have a little friggin' humility and at least wait for the facts. Apart from that perhaps you want to give your expertise on metallurgy, electrical engineering and a good souffle'. Chances are you know about the same amount.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:15 | 6631651 Bastiat
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As pointed out above, any manner is OK as long as you end up the winner.  Witness the fire bombing of Dresden--explicit state terrorism.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:44 | 6631800 KnuckleDragger-X
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The fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, but that doesn't fit the evil nuclear weapon propaganda....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:49 | 6632055 Bastiat
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Yes. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:50 | 6633552 FreedomGuy
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I'd like to send you armchair morons in to fight the Japanese on Tarawa, Okinawa or maybe you'd like street to street in Tokyo where everyone including women and children are preparing to fight to the last. Perhaps you think that is a nice, neat and proper way to do it. Don't set any of the buildings on fire with incendiaries, either.

There was a Japanese WWII veteran talking to my father (U.S. Marine) and he actually theorized that the nukes shortened the war and probably save lots of Japanese lives. They had no intention of surrendering, ever.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:58 | 6634253 dark pools of soros
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Well maybe the USA should of just sided with Hitler and nuked London instead?

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 14:47 | 6636344 FreedomGuy
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Well, Soros would have been on the winning side, right? We sided with Uncle Joe with the "enemy of my enemy" thing. The point stands.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6631559 NoVa
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a full & complete investigation ...

yea right - this investigation will start as soon as the open investigations are closed: Benghazi massacre, those 2 commercial airlines shot down in mid-air, Clinton Foundation quid-pro-quo "contributions", clintonemail and national secrets, etc...

 

NoVa

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:19 | 6631959 Urban Redneck
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European elites who had never been close to a war...

Exceptional 'Murican ignorance of non-American history at its "finest"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:53 | 6631521 Baby Bladeface
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Anything to dilute responsibility...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:09 | 6631607 Squid Viscous
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WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE STILL TRYING TO DO THERE??

 

sorry for the caps...i'm angry saw the pics ...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:10 | 6633104 ersatz007
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Heroin.

Makes the US lots of money and I am beginning to suspect it is a form of population control. My bet is that most everyone reading this personally knows a kid or someone with a kid aged 14-30 either on heroin or who has died of an overdose.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:03 | 6634262 dark pools of soros
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yeah, really makes a dent vs all the regular ways everyone dies in droves...  

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:08 | 6633809 conscious being
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Poppies.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6631419 drink or die
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But don't forget, it's mass shootings that are all too common and routine.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6631420 Bush Baby
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Is that the Alfred E. Neuman Award?

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6631483 Son of Loki
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NAACP "Man 'o da Yeer" award.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6631421 Haole
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Make it go away...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6631422 PRO.223
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Unforetunately, it's never going to happen.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6631423 White Mountains
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And they want to ban guns from law abiding citizens.  Who are the real killers, Obama Mr Nobel Peace Prize Winner? Y

You and your henchmen have killed hundreds of thousands and displaced miillions more to homelessness and misery.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:48 | 6631494 negative rates
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Hey, my Dr. is  one of those hencemen, take that back.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:32 | 6631991 White Mountains
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What's a "hencemen"?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:49 | 6631501 KnuckleDragger-X
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It's the difference between wholesale and retail.....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6631432 williambanzai7
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Hey Mo!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6631433 arbwhore
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This is what happens when you build a hospital where a bomb will eventually fall. Its clear where the blame lays.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6631459 Syrin
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Name the place you know a bomb won't fall.   

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6631439 Joebloinvestor
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In war shit happens.

With incompetent leadership a lot more shit happens.

This is the stuff that they use to appropriate billions of $'s to develop "technology" to avoid.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6631463 Syrin
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Russia seems to be doing it bette rthan us despite our decades of practice

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:43 | 6631466 chrsn
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He didn't bomb that

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:50 | 6631506 negative rates
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You didn't build that bomb.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:45 | 6631475 The Carbonator
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The guy 'wins' a nobel prize just for showing up.  What a shit show and joke this world is.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:48 | 6631497 Philo Beddoe
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You have to pull yourself away and view the world as an objective observer. Once you do that it is like watching blind and retarded midgets playing dodgeball.  That is fun in my book. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:09 | 6633812 jerry_theking_lawler
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They had to make the manchurian candidate look legite...to give him some street creds....Nobel Peace Prize does just that....what did he do again to win the award??

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6631482 khnum
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Roger Ramjet and his eagles

fighting for our freedom....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6631485 Piranha
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Doctors Without Borders should get with the program, or they will get their bankaccounts frozen and labeled an enemy of the US

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6631486 djsmps
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From ContrivedBullShit News:

Gen. John F. Campbell made the statement at a hastily arranged Pentagon news conference. He said he was correcting an initial U.S. statement that said the airstrike had been in response to threats against U.S. forces.

"We have now learned that on Oct. 3, Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said. "An airstrike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat and several civilians were accidentally struck. This is different from the initial reports which indicated that U.S. forces were threatened and that the airstrike was called on their behalf."

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:55 | 6631844 silentboom
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"The Afghans have agreed to take the blame in exchange for cash and weapons" A Pentagram spokesman said Monday.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:00 | 6632840 RmcAZ
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The Taliban? Didn't we "beat" the Taliban a long time ago? What year is it?

Gotta make sure they don't come in and reclaim the opium poppy fields.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6631488 pupdog1
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This is not my Father's (WWII, Cold War) or my Grandfather's (WWI, WWII) military.

The US military knows exactly--within inches--where a well-advertised 150-bed hospital is, especialy when it is run by an internationally acclaimed organization.

Everyone in this chain of command, from the pilot to the CINC, must be charged with international war crimes.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6631516 Squid Viscous
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yes your pappy and gran-pappy's army was SO much more ethical... those were the days! ...of unblemished gallantry in support of the free world!

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 15:33 | 6632218 pupdog1
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I'm such a silly rabbit.

I missed the memo that says we're in a state of total war against Afghanastan.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:55 | 6633577 FreedomGuy
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Bullshit. You don't know anything and apparently you don't know how fire is called in. If I have a good mortar or artillery crew I can have ten rounds in the air and on the way after the spotting rounds before you can call it off.

I have not yet seen a forensic investigation into what the explosions actually were, ie., mortars, artillery, missile, rocket or a set of propane tanks that got hit.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:08 | 6634271 dark pools of soros
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Obviously it was hit by a meteor of democracy

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 19:08 | 6637604 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, that was it, Soros. What do you think from your vast experience with supporting fire?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:51 | 6631489 Dre4dwolf
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Obama criticizes Russia for bombing the living shit out of ISIS an enemy the Obama administration created , funded, armed.

Russia continues to make real progress in squelching Islamic Terrorists regardless.

While criticizing Russia, Obama bombs hospitals.

 

What fucking planet do we live on?

PS:

Also

Honestly, the way I see it, Obama is not anti Russia ,he is the personification of anti-christian, he wants the world flooded with Islamic extremists who want to run around beheading christians.

 

Obamas administration is the most anti-christian administration ever to exist, it doesn't help that the pope is a complete sell out to NWO Religion Unification either because you know, getting 10 different religions under one roof is going to end well... pfft.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:13 | 6631642 frankly scarlet
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If we can state  that the west is a Christian based entity and that Russia is also Christian based  then the biggest threat to Christians now and in the past the biggest killers of Christians are Christians, Christians have also spread the word of the Christ's love by killing millions of non Christians in a orgy of massacres and slaughters extending centuries through to today.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:50 | 6631507 Moribundus
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“Everything will melt away like ice yet the glory of Vladimir , the glory of Russia are the only things that will remain. Russia will not only survive, it will dominate the world." Baba Vanga's  prophecy.

In line with this prophecy was hospital bombing "mistake" act of G-d to protect his protege Vladimir?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:56 | 6631509 JustObserving
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US repeatedly bombs hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan


By Thomas Gaist 
5 October 2015

 

A protracted series of precisely targeted US airstrikes ripped through a Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) medical center in Kunduz, Afghanistan on Saturday, killing at least 22 and wounding at least 37. The dead included 10 patients, including three children, and 12 members of the MSF staff.

The medical facility was hit repeatedly over a period of nearly 90 minutes, despite desperate phone calls placed by hospital staff to US and NATO offices in Washington and Europe, begging for a cessation of the firing, according to testimony from surviving MSF personnel.

The central structure of the medical center was “completely gutted” by the inferno produced by the attacks, and bodies inside were “charred beyond recognition,” according to an eyewitness who spoke the Guardian.

An MSF nurse, Lajos Zoltan Jecs, described the aftermath of the US bombing: “We tried to take a look into one of the burning buildings. I cannot describe what was inside. There are no words for how terrible it was. In the Intensive Care Unit six patients were burning in their beds.”

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/05/afgh-o05.html

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:07 | 6631589 TAALR Swift
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They hate you for your Freebombs. More so every day.

Wouldn't you?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:45 | 6632762 Winston Smith 2009
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"The medical facility was hit repeatedly over a period of nearly 90 minutes, despite desperate phone calls placed by hospital staff to US and NATO offices in Washington and Europe, begging for a cessation of the firing, according to testimony from surviving MSF personnel."

The response/reaction time of huge military bureaucracies who receive "cease fire" calls over unknown, non-secure civilian lines to "US and NATO offices" (probably not even the right ones) "in Washington and Europe" would undoubtedly exceed 90 minutes. Sorry. Not malice, bureaucracy. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:51 | 6631510 Peter Pan
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The US  is starting to scare me.

They are either recruting dipshits (at all levels) or they simply have lost all sense of what it means to be a super power.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6631553 nnnnnn
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both of it

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:23 | 6631693 Bastiat
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They have simply lost all sense of what it means to be a human being.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:47 | 6632045 Barrack Chavez
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Obama doesn't listen to US citizens anymore, not that he did in his first term either.

If you want to talk about elections or representing the will of the people, keep in mind our choice was between crook #1 and crook #2 -- ultimately the media decided the crook they wanted.

Put the blame where it belongs. Hollywood and TV put Obama into office. Hollywood and TV have made non-stop excuses for his incompetence, foreign and domestic. And the Government of Sweden gave him the Nobel Peace prize.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:39 | 6631775 Hulk
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We have been witnessing the acts of a dying empire, which is a desperate thing indeed...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:51 | 6631514 Collapsed_Elast...
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NPR says the Afghanis requested bombs dropped. So it's o.k and very official.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:55 | 6631532 samsara
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"More importantly, we fail to find any historical precedent for a Nobel Peace Prize winner having been accused of engaging in war crimes just several short years later."

Maybe Saudi Arabia for leading human rights council at UN.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:55 | 6631537 Flybyknight
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Take his nobel Prize away.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6631547 nnnnnn
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time for a second nobel prize for our prestige magic negro mulato

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:30 | 6631722 Never One Roach
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If he only had a son .....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6631552 frankly scarlet
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"if even just one terrorist patient  was being aided in that hospital we think it was worth it"  Obama and the Albrights....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6631554 samsara
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Obama could update Reagan's speech at the Berlin Wall.

"We're all Nazi's Now"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6631567 atomicwasted
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And cue Doctors Without Borders being declared a terrorist organization in 3...2..1...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6631578 MoHillbilly
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How do you expect them to know what they are bombing, when they have to keep their eyes closed so they won't see Afghan officials raping little boys?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6631582 Seal
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The bombing was payback for the #MSF treating Taliban wounded with full complicity of Kabul and US military. The Afghani are only at peace when they are fighting. The food chain is

1 Afghans in charge

2 Afghan enemies

3 other Muslims

4 dogs

5 women

6 ALL INFIDEL – occupiers, Crusaders, do-gooders

Whatever American ass is kissed is ONLY because that’s where the graft and heroin $$$$ is coming from

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:02 | 6631588 Rodders75
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The only way we could liberate the hospital was by destroying the hospital. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:41 | 6632030 Barrack Chavez
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Maybe the Afghan hospital would not accept ObamaCare

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:08 | 6633152 ersatz007
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They were getting fast-tracked to Jesus.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:06 | 6631608 Bill of Rights
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Such a disgrace...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:08 | 6631616 iClaudius
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Secretary Ashton Carter "The situation there is confused and complicated so it may take some time to get the facts ..." In other words "we're in the feculence here and it'll take a lot to find someone low enough, even by our standards, who will take the money to invent a plausible story"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:10 | 6631625 TAALR Swift
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"Support our Destroyers".  After all, that's about the only thing they are better at than anyone else in the world:  Death & Destruction.  While living off the US taxpayer during and after their "service".

Be all you can be.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:13 | 6631640 Hannibal
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Nowhere to Hide: A Rundown of the Russian Bombs Being Dropped on ISIL

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028055319/russia-syria-bombs-miss...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:17 | 6631656 JPMorgan
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We collateral damaged some folks.

But hey, we got the imaginary terrorist we were after so it's all good.

M i s s i o n  a c c o m p l i s h e d.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:22 | 6631664 TAALR Swift
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In the Middle Ages, parents would push at least one of their hungry children to join the Church, due to economic desperation and a point of pride.

These days in the USA, they do the same, by having them join the DOD.  How far some have fallen. 

Whomever they're killing for, it sure isn't for us* or for Jesus.

 

* The 98%, given that there is about 2% of the population that has a material or financial benefit from feeding the MIC, and its financial and political sponsors.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:24 | 6631700 Bastiat
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What will it take to get people on the streets?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:24 | 6631702 Jethro
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Y'all give it up for my nigga "Peace Prize"!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:26 | 6631708 world_debt_slave
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as witnessed betimes, above the law

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:31 | 6631727 centerline
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I thought that bombing brown people was a sport now.  Clearly can't be illegal.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:32 | 6631733 silentboom
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Doctors without arms and legs.  Time to rebrand.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:59 | 6631864 gtb
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That's cold...but quite funny.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:29 | 6633862 conscious being
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Bunga, I see the Russian ground crews all have side arms. In the US, an armed killer can, so the story goes, get on a base and shoot about a dozen people, because the higher ups are afraid of the lower ranks walking around armed and dangerous.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:46 | 6631789 83_vf_1100_c
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  The spice (heroin) must flow! T'would be better if we just gather up out toys and come back home. But, we have criminals in charge.

  I have not watched an obama appearance since a few weeks after he signed in. Do thay still play that 'ruffles and flourishes' music when he enters the room? More appropriate music would be 'Speak Softly Love' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:51 | 6631826 hangemhigh77
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Or YMCA

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:46 | 6631805 hangemhigh77
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Oboner: We killed some folks. Oooops

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:47 | 6631812 hangemhigh77
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They were making jelly donuts in the basement illegally.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:57 | 6633337 StychoKiller
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Were they giving them to homeless people?  'Cause you know that ain't allowed!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:47 | 6631813 Anopheles
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Doctors without borders must have KNOWN they were in a hospital that was being used as cover by insurgents. 

So why did they STAY?   Becasue they ALSO thought that nobody would bomb a hospital?   They're in a WAR zone, and giving shelter to the enemy.   The fault is THEIR'S, not the US or Afganistan. 

They are just trying to deflect blame. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:50 | 6631822 hangemhigh77
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Stfu. What are we doing there anyway you stupid insouciant American douchebag

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:48 | 6631815 hangemhigh77
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They were giving people in pain opium based painkillers. That's illegal.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:50 | 6631818 dexter_morgan
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Nobel peace prize weiner

Negropoleon

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6631820 shadescale
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So much for 'precision bombing'. And they complained the Russians weren't careful about bombing the 4 or 5 'moderates' who were standing in the middle of the jihadists.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:00 | 6631868 SmittyinLA
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you don't understand, it was a direct hit, probably laser designated by some local scumbag, that hospital wasn't collateral damage, it was the target.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:54 | 6631840 Billy Sol Estes
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Wahahahahahahahahahahahaha (slaps knee) wahahahahahahahahaha

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:58 | 6631859 SmittyinLA
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Looks to me like MSF or "Doctors without borders" was hired by ISIS, those medical folks don't work in warzones for free, or anywhere else for that matter, there's nothing "humanitarian" about their operation, they're war opportunists, their relatives are probably selling arms to both sides.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 13:59 | 6631861 Plata con Carne
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The Order Followers are just as guilty as the Order Givers.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:00 | 6631866 Be_Optimistic
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Who the fuck is MSF? I wish the article would specify its abbreviations. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 14:07 | 6631894 Berspankme
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Doctors without Borders is actually called "Medicine Sans Frontieres" or MSF

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