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Syria Ground War Imminent? U.S. Accuses Russia Of Launching Syrian Land Campaign

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While the US was been surprised and angered by the stunningly fast turn of events in Syria where in the span of less than a month Russia unleashed a massive, Syria-based airborne campaign against what it says are ISIS terrorists, even as the US accuses Putin of targeting "moderate rebels", it has had little recourse in accusing Putin of violating Syrian sovereignty: after all Russia is the only nation that Syria has officially invited to eradicate the "terrorist threat" that is ISIS.

Then, last Friday, Syria raised the stakes once again, when as Bloomberg reported a loyalist of the Assad regime said "terrorism cannot only be fought from the air," making an appeal for more military involvement to defeat Islamic State.

In a defiant speech at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem criticized the current approach to fighting the group that has conquered swathes of territory and was encroaching on President Bashar al-Assad’s coastal stronghold in Latakia. Those gains triggered Russian intervention.

 

“Air strikes are useless unless they are coordinated with the Syrian Arab army, the only force to combat terrorism,” al-Muallem, who also holds the title of deputy prime minister, told a largely empty assembly hall on Friday, the last day of speeches.

The logical implication is that Syria will next invite, if it hasn't already done so, Russian troops to join the Russian airforce in eradicating the great ISIS strawman which until recently was the pretext for "coalition" forces to bombard Syria with complete disregard for Syrian sovereignty, and the intention of destroying Assad's military so the CIA can conclude a regime change with a pro-western leader, one which will permit the passage of a Qatar gas pipeline.

Whether or not this assessment is accurate is irrelevant, because earlier today the US decided to jump right on it, and as CNN reported, accordint to the latest U.S. assessment of Moscow's activity in western Syria, "Russia has moved several ground combat weapons and troops into the area to potentially back up Syrian forces in the field planning to attack anti-regime forces, according to two U.S. defense officials."

The U.S. views the move as Russia "stepping up its ground activity" in Syria to attack those forces, rather than ISIS elements, according to one of the officials.

 

It's believed the Russians are positioning the weapons to be able to support a Syrian ground offensive, the officials said.

 

The equipment includes several piece of artillery, as well as four BM-30 multiple-launch rocket systems -- all considered to be highly accurate weapons. The latter is capable of rapid-fire rocket launches. Several weeks ago, Russia moved about half a dozen artillery pieces into Latakia port.

 

The U.S. originally had thought that might be for defense of the port, but the latest move is an indication of potential ground attacks in the coming days, the official said. The weapons have been spotted between Homs and Idlib and west of Idlib.

 

It is not clear if they're now in final position for possible artillery strikes.

 

The officials also said that Russia has moved electronic jamming equipment into Syria. Both a truck-mounted system and a number of pods that can go on aircraft have been observed. This could potentially give the Russians the ability to jam electronics of coalition aircraft.

Naturally, when playing the diplomatic game, one never admits or denies one's true intentions until well after the fact, and moments ago the speaker of the Russian Federation Valentina Matviyenko denied. According to Interfax, Matviyenko said Russia has no intention of taking part in ground operations in Syria.

"We do not intend, and we will not engage in any ground operations" said Matvienko in the meeting with the head of Jordan's Senate president Abdelraouf al-Rawabdeh. She stressed that the Russian air campaign in Syria is to support the actions of the regular Syrian army against terrorists.

Which, ironically, is the excuse for US presence in Syria too.

What happens next? A very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a "small", at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, "fight ISIS", but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions.

What happens then? Well, with the previously discussed Russian naval blockade of Syria as a likely next step, and with both US and Russian warplanes already flying back and forth above Syria, and now both superpowers having a legitimate, if only in the eyes of their own media, justification to dispatch land troops, what was until now a mere proxy war is about to become full blown land combat on Syrian soil, one which will soon involve both Russian and US ground, sea and airborne forces.

The last missing step will be when US cruisers, destroyers and/or battleships park next to the Syrian coastline, within earshot (and every other "shot") away from comparable Russian warships. Keep tabs on the weekly US naval update, because once several US warships weigh anchor in the vicinity of Syria that will be the catalyst for the next and final escalation.

At that point, the world will be one false flag away from what some could call another world war, only this time one launched not in Serbia but Syria.

 

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Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:16 | 6632617 pods
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Hey US, why don't you go back to finding "suitable" targets to bomb yourself, fucking hypocrites.

pods

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:27 | 6632643 swass
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Mr. Putin, thank you for taking care of ISIS and for ensuring the idiots in charge of US foreign policy don't f-up the whole world.  Also, thank you for destroying all the US weapons and supplies that mysteriously found their way into the hand of terrorists.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:28 | 6632677 Bay Area Guy
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Give the idiots some time. There is still opportunity for rampant fuckupery.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:33 | 6632699 Latina Lover
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When it comes to USSA foreign policy, something stupid this way comes.

Clearly the CIA is desperate to protect its ISIS pets, but cannot figure out how especially since the Russian forces are equal or stronger than their covert assets.   It will be fun to watch when the Syrians capture their first USSA special forces mercenary.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:34 | 6632709 Money Counterfeiter
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Mr Putin Israel is just a wee bit to the south.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:06 | 6632866 Bumpo
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"Which, ironically, is the excuse for US presence in Syria too."

Except that Syria actually invited Russia into their country to take on ISIS, whereas the US was NOT

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:28 | 6632977 COSMOS
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If I was the family of any of the hostages killed by GI ISIS I would take Obama Cameron and Hollandaise Sauce to the international court for war crimes.  While at the same time filing civil suits on these individuals and their staff on behalf also of all the Syrians killed while NATO funded and pussyfooted around and trained and armed these fuckers.  They may not win in rigged courts but at least the suits would draw attention.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:30 | 6632985 eatthebanksters
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The USA is accusing Russia of a lot of stuff these days...and what good has it done?  I guess POTUS thinks whining will work with Putin...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:49 | 6633067 Ignatius
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Idiot Americans (and Europe) are the target audience of the propaganda.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:06 | 6633139 johngaltfla
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Uh, the rest of MSM is way behind Thompson-Reuters which broke the story on September 9th:

Armageddon Approaches: Russian Troops Begin Combat Operations in Syria

What really is a huge joke is that Russia initiated ground operations from Tartus to clear the area for their jets to land and operate safely long before this stupid story appeared!

The Russians are engaged in Warfare 101 and the MSM is still thinking that the world fights like that piece of shit McCainobama where using terrorists to attack anyone that the banksters want is a viable method.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:16 | 6633187 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Hey ZH. Dirty secret from Scooby. I like to use the term POTUS. It makes Scooby feel like he's part of the fucking machine bitchez!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:32 | 6633236 Never One Roach
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Gubmint workers are too busy clubbing, selling drugs, banging strippers and likewise ... to fight isis or any other foe:

 

DEA agents illegally ran Twins Plus Go-Go Lounge strip club in New Jersey: prosecutors

 

http://www.fodors.com/community/asia/yet-another-1st-tihttp://www.nydail...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:57 | 6633336 jeff montanye
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Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

-- john dalberg lord acton

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:06 | 6633612 johngaltfla
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And the Russians say FU to Obama and NATO again. This time sending a clear message with the Spetsnaz and 7th going into action:

Putin has sent the feared Spetsnaz special forces into Syria to bail out Assad

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:59 | 6633958 Winston Churchill
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Anyone seen Stumpy lately ?

kept on telling him:

The Russians are slow to mount, but when they do, they ride all night.

 I wonder how many CIA the Spetsnaz have already killed. They've been there a month,

not just deployed as reported, setting up targets for the airstrikes,as well as a little wet work..

The SAS and Spetsnaz had a grudging mutual respect, neither respected US special forces, and both despised the CIA..

That was an observation from pre Falklands time, so it might i changed, I haven't moved

in those circles for many years.I had a friend(passed now) who was an ex Congo mercenary with a fearsome reputation

for savagery,gentle as a pussy cat by the time I met him(meds),except on the rugby field..He introduced me to some very colorful characters.The polite way to say very  evil bastard's that would cut your throat for a dollar,or less if they were in the mood.

I try not to make moral judgements on people.People are what they are.Its pointless.

I'm just glad I'm nowhere near those Spetsnaz right now.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:11 | 6634166 Son of Loki
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Congress likely to cut failed Pentagon program to train Syrian rebels

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/congress-likely-to-cut-failed-pen...

 

American incompetence is unlimited these days in DC.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:37 | 6634212 eatthebanksters
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!  Good find!!

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 02:40 | 6634370 HowdyDoody
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Wow the funding was on the books? Surely anyone in their right mind would put funding for terrorism off the books.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 04:16 | 6634455 Grumbleduke
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They're not terrorists, they are freedom fighters. Get on with the program, slave!

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 04:55 | 6634487 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! This will scare millions! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!

http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 04:55 | 6634488 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! This will scare millions! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!

http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:06 | 6634538 Keyser
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The western MSM is too busy giving the Obama admin a hand job to even consider their bleating is falling on deaf ears... Just WTF is the pentagon or the CIA going to do against Russia, openly attack them? I don't think even Obama is that stupid...  Let's not forget that Russia has techonolgy that can nuetralize Merikan electronics and have already demonstrated it... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:46 | 6634703 Canary Paint
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Another propaganda technique... Put some ominous twist on something that is evident knowledge. No military in its right mind would stage air operations from dangerous territory without ground support. So yeah... Getting ready for a ground war...

Sun, 10/18/2015 - 07:16 | 6681426 smartmil
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Great pleaser for us!!! Thanks a lot...

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:45 | 6634608 newbie vampire
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"Congress likely to cut failed Pentagon program to train Syrian rebels"

That is because the CIA has misplaced our terrorists again.  Can someone please call Putin and ask where our misplaced taxpayer funded terrorists are ?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:15 | 6633405 Chris Dakota
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I prefer the term SCROTUS.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:46 | 6633925 Muddy1
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scrotum - there, I fixed it

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:29 | 6633460 August
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Years ago, the TeeVee show "24" had an episode where some group of deranged, demented and perverted America-hating Iranians succeeded in shooting down Airforce One, killing the Leader of the Free World.

Even then, I cheered.  Got the bastard! 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:34 | 6634423 X_Weatherman
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"Leader of the Free World"

Apparently Putin has taken over that position now.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:13 | 6634560 Keyser
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I find this to be the epitome of irony when you consider that we have been programmed our entire lives to believe that the Ruskies were the personification of evil... Rather sad to wake up one day and realize that "we" are the bad guys...  Once you take the red pill, there is to going back into the matrix... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 08:36 | 6634827 BlindMonkey
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I've said this before and will say it again.  As a former cold warrior that slept with my feet on a Trident C-4 missle tube for 6 years, I find myself hitting the cognative dissonance point quite often that I am "rootin' for pootin'" more often than not.  

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:44 | 6633281 taoJones
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And Cosmos, the fact that there hasn't been, so far, is pretty telling

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:46 | 6633537 ImReady
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For whatever reason the US does not understand this. I for one am happy to see Syria creating their OWN coalition to get these POS out of their OWN country. Utilizing the strengths of their immediate neighbors makes pefect sense to me.

 

Can't wait for the Assad and/or Putin presser telling the US, "Sorry, but gtfo! We've got this. And BTW, gtfo of Iraq, we got that too."

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:19 | 6634566 Keyser
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Both Putin and Assad have been dancing around this topic without openly stating the obvious... Russia, China, Iran and Iraq have been invited to assist Syria in routing the US backed terrorists while the US on the other hand has NOT been invited... Putin has already stated that western actions are illegal as they do not have UN Security Council approval... Either Syria is a sovereign nation or it's not... An Assad press conference demanding US / NATO to GTFO would be the icing on the cake... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 17:20 | 6637085 Flagit
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And yet Turkey and NATO issue warnings to Russia about sovereign airspace.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:44 | 6635101 Victor von Doom
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Correct. Which makes the US, Australia, France etc in breach of International Law and their governments War Criminals.

Won't be holding the breath for justice however.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:46 | 6632765 monk27
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CNN must be in quite a bind right now. They have to figure out if bashing Trump (the "internal" enemy of the state) is more important than bashing Putin (who clearly personifies the "external" one).

In other news, can't wait for the US Navy to start patrolling among those artificially built Chinese islands, as promised. Just imagine the endless possibilities for a fuck-up... :)

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/02/in-south-china-sea-a-tougher-u-s-stance/

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:26 | 6632964 cynicalskeptic
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The financial endgame is close - not much more kicking the can down the road.

You know what THAT means:    WAR! - a BIG ONE -  the ultimate distraction

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:58 | 6633103 monk27
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I'm not quite sure who's gonna fight such a Big War, at least on our side ! I don't plan to volunteer, and know quite a few people who won't either. Do you intend to ?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:50 | 6633302 Talleyrand
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No need to volunteer. It will come to you.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:03 | 6633356 jeff montanye
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that putin's domestic approval rating is twice that of obama's may affect morale.

that and that he's a weenie.

and that's that.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:32 | 6633479 August
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Your tax 'n' inflation "dollars" will go off to war.

Most Murcans will just work like they do now, but with a much lower, and falling, standard of living.  Some may even lose weight.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:09 | 6633999 monk27
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... it will come to you...

Hopefully, I won't be available at that time.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:21 | 6634042 Talleyrand
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Hope...that's a good plan.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:21 | 6634185 Mute Button
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I'll be doing my best French act, waiving a white flag in the face of the Russian invaders.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:02 | 6634893 J Jason Djfmam
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Didn't you get the memo?

The Dindu Nuffins of the Free Shit Army volunteered when they signed up for the free-bees.

Suprise! Suprise!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:27 | 6632970 Calmyourself
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CNN knows what to do you knave..  They are going to change Putins color to an evil white rayciss..

http://www.infowars.com/cnn-turns-mixed-race-oregon-shooter-into-a-white...

What he is already..  Never mind..

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:01 | 6632846 Antifaschistische
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I don't see why the White House considers everything a problem.   If Putin can do everything that we said we were going to do in 1/10th of the time with 1/20th of the money, then I think we should seriously considering hiring the Russians to do work in Afghanistan and Iraq.  This will help us resolve some of our military spending problems as well as improve our relationship with Mr. Putin.  it's not like we're opposed to hiring mercinaries to do our work for us.....so, problem solved.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:21 | 6632940 HenryHall
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Putin is not going to turn Syria into a failed state like Libya.

So Putin will therefore not achieve the intention of the USA.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:35 | 6633244 Never One Roach
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I wonder how the Chinese soliders will fit into the situation? They have held a number of joint military operations with the Russian troops in the past so maybe they will dovetail with the other forces smoothly.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:49 | 6633667 Paveway IV
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I'm still really skeptical of the Chinese ground troops. I'm not even sure of the supposed Chinese aircraft carrier parked off the Syrian coast. Where's all this commercial sat imagery they dug up for Russian jets in Latakia? Surely the same outfit can find a damn aircraft carrier if it's there. And the same reports say it was sent to Syria without it's planes. WTF? Who would even do that?

This whole "Chinese are invading Syria, too!" is beginning to smell in that putrid Debka File kind of way. I'll keep my fingers crossed that they will show up, but it doesn't seem like a very Chinese thing to do. They outsource their wars like everyone else. It worked for them in Viet Nam and look how that place finally turned out (then compare with the U.S. success stories like Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq). Actually, if Russia does settle things in Syria and that place turns out successful like Viet Nam, then the U.S. should really reconsider their Rape-2-Protect doctrine.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:32 | 6634420 researchfix
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I think the Chinese will send many construction workers by the end of this year.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:23 | 6634574 Keyser
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Chinese presence in Syria is merely symbolic, to show unity with Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran against the evil empire...  The US fucks up everything it touches... Why should this episode be any different? 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:18 | 6634652 Torn Frequency
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Hi Keyser, the Chinese are defensive in nature with their military docterine. Chinese warships have been seen near the Alaskan coast, sending their regards to Obama on their visit with the Russians when he was hugging bear gryll whoever the fuck he is survival guy, down to building up their military forces in the south chinese sea. So for the chinese to show up in Syria with their military, just like when they showed up when Ebola was active in africa (to join in on the lets get samples fun with the US!) means that this is definatly not a cold war or symbolism as you put it, it has all the ingredients of a hot war in the making and it has been for some time. NATO is crying foul, and i expect the war drum and rethoric to pick up the beat soon. I find it odd, how incompetent the reaction is, by McCain on the situation. People say the politicians and the Pentagon, as well as NATO can't be this stupid to contemplate armed reaction to Russia.. but well considering how they have been rolling over the ME so far, i'd say they got a plan albeit a stupid one i bet.. if they can pump billions into taking down the Ukraine, and have a proxy war of over three years in Syria, as well as sanctioning Russia and trying to kill them off with lowering oil and messing with the world economy, then i am confident their not going to walk away from this with Russia without causing some stupid shit. Popcorn time i guess. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:05 | 6633366 jeff montanye
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i like the sarcasm.

however we are the mercenaries israel hired with our money.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:25 | 6633678 Paveway IV
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Well then, THAT explains the shitty job we're doing... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:24 | 6634577 Keyser
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Money for nothing and the chicks are free!!!!

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:23 | 6634659 Torn Frequency
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Got to love Dire Straits! 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 08:42 | 6634837 BlindMonkey
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These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Someday you'll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And you'll no longer yearn to be
Brothers in arms

Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've witnessed your suffering
As the battle raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms

There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the sun's gone to hell and
The moon riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But it's written in the starlight
And every line in your palm
We are fools to make war
On our brothers in arms

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 02:33 | 6634347 sunaJ
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Well that would be great if it was that the US and the Russians had the same goals.  Unfortunatley for the US, they have different goals.  Look, we pretended to bomb ISIS (which is why we had so much propaganda telling us "we" are the good people) but when Russia does the same = a support of the regime - they are bad.  The US wants CONTROL of gas and oil...look it up ffs - the desire of their land is plain to see), and you have Russia that wants to put forth an alternative to their advantage, which is actually bombing ISIS (the terrorists, whatever that means anymore).  So, what is "good"?  Well, you have to be a big boy to decipher...but it is not the US and it probably is not the intentions of the Russians, but it is that not  the proverbial snake eating itself?  I wouldn't spit on either one of these players but I do not believe in the US or the Russians as it comes down to the welfare of the Syrian people which comes in a distant third.

 

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 11:30 | 6635496 fleur de lis
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The goals of the US and Russia parted company a long time ago.

Russia is run by loyal Russians whose goal is to make and keep Russia and its inhabitants strong and porsperous.

The US is run by competing groups of disloyal looters and scammers whose goal is to conrol and rip off the populace through infiltrated institutions, oppressive taxes, constantly manufactured social stress and chaos, all backed up with threats of state crackdown.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:03 | 6634897 J Jason Djfmam
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It just makes us look so...

INCOMPETENT.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:09 | 6632882 cynicalskeptic
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The term “blowback,” invented by the CIA, refers to the unintended results of American actions abroad. 

"BLOWBACK is our business" might as well be the motto of the CIA.   It seems like most of their actions have directly the OPPOSITE effects of what was planned - either immediately or in the long term.  I believe the term was coined in reference to the overthrow of the democratically elected President of Iran in 1953 - and the disasters that followed - the dictatorial Shah - HIS overthrow and the cpoming to power of religious extremists, the US support of Iraq in a decade long war against Iran,  Hussein's invasion of Kuwait after that war and the subsequent mess we find ourselves in there... It also applies to US support of jihadists in Afghanistan (in part via Osama binLaden) and the long term behavior of THOSE fighters acting AGAINST the US......

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:30 | 6633232 Winston Churchill
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So it that 6 or 7 Russian soldiers doing the outnumbering ?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:49 | 6633749 LongMarch
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It is seven. Plus one guy packing a stack of porno mags to induce defections from ISIS.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:28 | 6634415 COSMOS
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Owebama bombs Syria for a year and ISIS grows stronger you didn’t hear one single peep out of the head chopping psychopaths over the effects the “bombing” was having on them, not one.
Russia bombs ISIS 3 days for real, and the rabid dogs have closed all mosques and cancelled Friday prayers, have been moving their wives and families out of Syria to Iraq, have been deserting in their hundreds trying to make it to Europe, have called on all factions to “unite” against the “invader” while making all kinds of threats in the press, etc. Just think and ask yourself one question, why none of this frenzy of activity while the US led “coalition” was supposedly doing the same ?

If all the illegals would stay out of Syrian air space (which would be the US and its "lets go destroy another country" NATO cronies), it would make things a lot simpler for the Syrian planes and the Russians the Syrians have invited in to help clear out all the criminal types wandering the lands and skies of Syria --- with the US being International Criminal Number One with its illegal funding and arming rebels against the recognized government of Syria and with its illegal intrusions into Syrian air space to illegally drop bombs on Syrian land. How did we Americans get the impression we somehow have the right to tell foreign countries what to do, then slaughter away and destroy the country if they don't obey us? Jez ----- how did we reach a place as the United States when Russia becomes the law-abiding, reasonable-acting party just showing up to help a government in distress and we are the arrogant bunch blatantly ignoring international law in still another nation-destroying mission of The Empire?

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 04:05 | 6634443 Ghordius
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Cosmos, careful with that brandishing of "international law". here, for example: "If all the illegals would stay out of Syrian air space"

illegal? who? ISIS? according to which international law tenet? they are rebels, aren't they? they are, for all purposes, as "illegal" as George Washington was

but you are talking about NATO "illegal" planes, aren't you? again, based on which international law tenet? it's a war, remember? and war is part of international law

you are defending Russia in it's imperial mode, in it's role of defender of their allied regimes, in friction with western imperial interests, which are imperialistic, too

you might claim some moral high ground, but not all of it, and for sure not while brandishing "international law" as a "killer argument"

then "international law" is just this: in part a consensus among sovereigns, in part how frictions among them might be resolved instead of war

"Russia ... the law-abiding, reasonable-acting party just showing up to help a government in distress" <--- war. call a spade a spade

that government is the so-called "Assad Regime" and Russia joined it's war against it's rebels. it's a sovereign decision by Russia, it's still... war. of the colonial kind

as in Afghanistan, where first Britain, then Russia, and then the West "showed up to help a government in distress"

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:29 | 6634587 Keyser
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It is NOT war... It is unilateral aggression by western powers to implement regime change in Syria... The same thing the US has done 19 times in the last 100 years, with the results being a US owned tin-pot dictator being installed to crush the populace... The US / NATO does NOT have UN Security Council approval for these actions, therefore they are breaking international law... Please do keep up... 

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:41 | 6634605 Ghordius
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in which historical universe do you live? war is aggression, and multi-lateral aggression does not make a war "just" all alone, does it?

at the same time the very fact that wars are often being waged without UN Security Council approval makes just clear that "international law" is a misnomer, or at least often misunderstood

in short, if it is not war, what is it? call a spade a spade, I'd say, or admit that Russia is bombing rebels as "police action", or in support of a governmental police action

"a US owned tin-pot dictator being installed to crush the populace"

well, and Assad is... not "US owned"

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 08:26 | 6634799 Keyser
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You need to read the fine print on the side of the package... The US has not declared "war" on anyone since 1941, yet that has not stopped them from killing and maiming millions... From the sociopathic neocon DC establishment point of view, this little detail matters... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:10 | 6635239 Victor von Doom
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The breach of international law does have an impact. You are correct Ghordius in that it is in effect an agreement amongst gentlemen.

However, that agreement being breached by the US and its satellites against a very long standing ally of Russia is a very big deal.

This did not appear to be the case in the preceeding years because Russia had not rebuilt itself enough after the crash of the Soviet Union to have an impact in world affairs. That is now clearly not the case.

This returns the US to the position it held during the Cold War with several exceptions:

1. Europe no longer fields an effective army.

2. China is becoming a major player as well.

3. The US no longer holds the title of Superpower and has massive economic problems. Only the rep for being a world power remains - but actions are showing the US to be more and more reluctant to enter into major wars.

Finally, Russia - and for that matter China - are no longer nations that can be ignored. They are either reaching for parity or surpassing the American Empire at this point. Either the US learns how to practice actual diplomacy aka European style or they are headed towards WWIII. That is not a fight the US can "win".

Empires don't last. History is very likely to show that the US peaked quite some time ago and that by this point the collapse of the Empire was beginning to show in their military.

That's endgame historically speaking people.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:56 | 6635170 Victor von Doom
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"how did we reach a place as the United States when Russia becomes the law-abiding, reasonable-acting party just showing up to help a government in distress and we are the arrogant bunch blatantly ignoring international law in still another nation-destroying mission of The Empire?"

How did you reach there? "You" - the American People - didn't respond the the coup d'etat by the Zionist/Jewish/Banksters after 2008.

Things were prepretory after 2001 - solid building for direct management as opposed to just owning the politicians - but after 2008 the Zios stood up for direct management.

The US has in effect an Israeli government now - and you're asking why the US foreign policy is batshit crazy?

Hope this helps.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:32 | 6633238 HowdyDoody
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A load of supposed ISIS members high tailed it to Jordan a few days ago. By an amazing coincidence, the CIA/MI6/SAS trained ISIS wannabes at KASOTC (special operations training center funded, designed and probably ulitmately run by the US after the supposed pull out of Iraq). That would be a safe way out for any US/UK special forces who thought it was a good idea to dress up like ISIS 'in order to destroy them'. Running false flags with ISIS as the fall guy, or even leading actual ISIS teams seems like a couple of more likely reasons.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:41 | 6633266 Never One Roach
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It's going to be very embarassing when the joint Russian/Iranian/Syrian forces plant a flag on top of the deserted Baghdad American Embasssy, the one taxpayers were bilked $750 million for:

 

The US Embassy In Baghdad Cost A Staggering $750 Million [PHOTOS]

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/750-million-united-states-embassy-iraq-ba...

 

I sure hope they don't pull Bush's statue down from the town square like they did the other guys; there'll be alot of red faces in DC.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:08 | 6633373 jeff montanye
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no, they'll probably make it a tourist stop and rent shoes to throw at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFH7C3vkK4

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:38 | 6633722 CheapBastard
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+ 1,000

That's good!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:10 | 6633384 Chad_the_short_...
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Russian forces are only equal to the ISIS assets??? HUh?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:44 | 6633737 Buck Johnson
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That is why they don't want Russian ground troops there, because they may and will capture a USSA "mercenary" and once that is done then it's all over for us saying that we didn't support ISIS.  They are escalating a situation the US something that will only end badly for us.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:31 | 6634591 Keyser
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And they will rub Obama's nose in it... It won't matter, because western MSM will slam any such proof as propaganda... See how that works... 

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:18 | 6635267 Victor von Doom
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Yes, that will be their response Keyser - but sling enough shit - especially if it's factual and some is bound to stick.

This, like almost everything nowadays goes even further to undermine what is left of US credibility in the globe.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:19 | 6635268 Victor von Doom
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Double post.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:20 | 6634036 anti-republocrat
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It will be fun to watch when the Syrians capture their first USSA special forces mercenary.

Well, that will be embarrassing, but it might be even more embarrassing when ISIS beheads one of them.  All infidels look the same to them.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:35 | 6634080 AmericanWarrior
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What is USSA? Russia is a third rate country with a pathetic military and outdated technology. They probably have most of their servicable aircraft flying in Syria, all 20 of them. The russian military is a joke, they got their butts handed to them by a bunch of chechen thugs. They were good at killing 100's of thousands of civilians, but could not handle a bunch of unorganized men fighting with outdated equipment. Russia would not stand a chance against any decent military anywhere in the world. Isis will destroy them, if they try to fight them on land, and trust me I have no love for Isis. Isis is not a bunch of unarmed civilians who will surrender or run away, they will stand and fight and die.

Respectfully, American Warrior

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:31 | 6634292 NuckingFuts
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There are those who think it unfair to judge a comment based solely on the length of time the poster has been a member of ZH. I am not one of those people. I do not know how you continue to find this site and then feel as if your opinion matters after 8 weeks. To my way of thinking ZH would have been wise to close membership 2 years ago, perhaps many of the very intelligent contributions might not have left. Now we have you, thanks a bunch.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:37 | 6634600 Keyser
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Please take your head out of the foxhole and attempt to de-program yourself if you are going to participate on ZH... You are still under the influence of the propaganda you have been force-fed as part of your indoctrination... The US is that bad guy in this little kabuki dance and until you accept that, you are just another sheeple... Standing armies and military asset strength mean jack shit when nukes are flying... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:07 | 6634908 J Jason Djfmam
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I'm sure the plan is to wait for Russia to be balls deep in Syria,

and then for the good ole USA to unleash the Hacker Hellfire System (tm)

on Russia and send them back to the Dark Ages.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:58 | 6635419 Turdy Brown
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Excuse me o great warrior, but I was in Afghanistan towards the end of the Soviet occupation and I can tell you from first hand experience that the mujahids we scared shitless of the Spetnaz. 

 

Remember that the Soviets went broke in Afghanistan, they were never "defeated", like CNN would like you to believe.

 

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:35 | 6634082 AmericanWarrior
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What is USSA? Russia is a third rate country with a pathetic military and outdated technology. They probably have most of their servicable aircraft flying in Syria, all 20 of them. The russian military is a joke, they got their butts handed to them by a bunch of chechen thugs. They were good at killing 100's of thousands of civilians, but could not handle a bunch of unorganized men fighting with outdated equipment. Russia would not stand a chance against any decent military anywhere in the world. Isis will destroy them, if they try to fight them on land, and trust me I have no love for Isis. Isis is not a bunch of unarmed civilians who will surrender or run away, they will stand and fight and die.

Respectfully, American Warrior

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:33 | 6634201 monk27
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To answer you question, USSA is a country populated mostly by doorknobs like you. QED !

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:38 | 6634602 Keyser
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I think you mean knobend... 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:40 | 6634309 NuckingFuts
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AmericanWarrior?? So you're Native American? Or offspring of immigrants?

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 01:42 | 6634311 NuckingFuts
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Really?. American Warrior?? Is that like WWF thing?

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 05:01 | 6634497 CWolfRu
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WWE, probably.

 

PEGI, better for susiness. Bullshit all around near place.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:08 | 6634638 Refuse-Resist
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Is this MDB's younger brother who went into the chairforce or something? Sounds like a textbook example of projection if you ask me..

I'll put those here" The russian military is a joke, they got their butts handed to them by a bunch of chechen thugs"  or change Russian with AMerican, and change Chechen thug to Afghani goatherding pederasts.

"They were good at killing 100's of thousands of civilians, but could not handle a bunch of unorganized men fighting with outdated equipment" == Bang on. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.... need I continue?

"Russia would not stand a chance against any decent military anywhere in the world."  I've said the exact same about the USMIL... when is the last time the USMIL had to operate in contested airspace, where USMIL ground troops were getting strafed or tac. airbases being hit with cluster bombs?  WWII?

"Isis is not a bunch of unarmed civilians who will surrender or run away, they will stand and fight and die."  What?  Why are they fleeing Ivan?

Hey American Warrior, during your exhaustive warrior training which turned you into the Ultimate Killing Machine (TM), did they ever touch on a subject called military history?  Have you ever heard of Napoleon, Hitler, Barbarossa, Stalingrad, or General Winter?  NKVD?

Here's a great book to start tyour education, written by a German infantryman, called "Fighting in Hell, The German Ordeal on the Eastern Front":  http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-Hell-German-Ordeal-Eastern/dp/0804116989  (protip: Eastern Front refers to Germany's invasion and subsequent defeat/retreat from the Rodina).

It;s a quick read.  You will learn much about Russian infantry tactics and the effects those have on men opposing them.

Before you 'opine' any further I suggest you start educating yourself.

Downvote, propagand bitch.

Or, if you are MDB's military alter ego, then BRAVO sir!  Bravo!

 

golfclap...

"

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:33 | 6635321 AmericanWarrior
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refuse-resist, you prove my point, the American kill ratio was 20 to 30 to one in Vietnam, 10 to 20 to one in Afghanistan and Iraq, 50 to one in the first Gulf War and we have never lost a battle about company level since the Korean War, where the kill ratio was 20 to 30 to one. The russians got their butts handed to them by the chechens, as you know, with the chechens slaughtering the russian conscrips. The russians have a few boats on the seas, very few modern jets and most of their equipment is left over from the USSR. 

The Germans fought the russians and killed them by the millions, despite being outnumbered by 5 to one and killed about 5 russians for each German killed and tank loses were even worse, the Germans destroyed about 15 tanks for each of their loss. In the air, the russians were knocked down at about a 10 to 1 ratio.

When you try to prove your point, you should not give the other person the ammunition to destroy your argument. Everyone knows that the russian military is pathetic and could never stand up to a modern military anywhere.

I know you feel embarrassed about your russian heritage and how they have declined so very much and that decline continues. What's left of the russian empire is falling apart at an ever increasing rate, just look at the ruble, soon it will be used for toilet paper.

However, if the russians kill some muslim crazies, well good on them.

By the way, I have spent about 10 years in war zones, serving my country, the good old USA and I am proud of it and the great fighting men and women who serve the greatest country the world has ever known by all measurements.

Take care and God bless all, respectfully, American Warrior

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:30 | 6632688 OrangeJews
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Reagan is turning in his grave!!!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:12 | 6633393 jeff montanye
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i upvoted you by mistake while reading your name.  my father wrote grocery lists that way.  also mole asses.

reagan tried to kick ass in the middle east but got blown up so quick in lebanon that he high-tailed it out and never much went back.

more his speed was killing nuns, union agitators and land reformers in central america, mostly by proxy.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:26 | 6634412 conscious being
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The Marines in Beruit we're unarmed. No rounds issued.

By contrast, look at the photos of Russian flight crews in Syria. Even their flight crews are packing heat.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:01 | 6632845 Lumberjack
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Pods, they are too busy fucking with their own innocent citizens (and causing mayhem here at home) to wage an effective land (or botched air campaigns) anywhere. Useless....

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:31 | 6632991 chubbar
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What is the crime here? What, Assad can't ask Russia to come in and help it thwart it's overthrow by terrorists? Why shouldn't Assad be able to have Russian ground troops if that is what he wants?

The fucking crime is the US fielding a ground force to overthrow a sovereign government. Why aren't we having a discussion on this point?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:16 | 6633185 WOD
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Can you clarify which time and which war?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:21 | 6633425 jeff montanye
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indeed.

 

the israeli plan is to turn as many muslim countries into failed states as possible (and non-muslim too, should they have the temerity to oppose the zionism of greater israel).

 

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/07/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-fo...

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:34 | 6634681 Element
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Common jeff, you really go for that stuff?

Think about it, in what world is that viable?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 22:57 | 6633951 DisasterCapitalist
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LOL at you guys, never seeing the Ag lining. Long LMT, biaches!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:01 | 6633968 AmericanWarrior
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Hey Pods, could you please learn a few more words and say something productive. We have a saying in America, it is better to be thought a fool or idiot than to open your mouth and prove it. Reading your posts, kinda proves who and what you are. By the way, I can understand your anger, being from russia, a third rate, thug country that has never really been able to create anything and was only good at stealing things from America and now the Chinese do that better. The problem with stealing technology, is that you are always about 20 years behind. Name one thing that the russians created, besides Sputnik, I will give you that one? Russia is 50th in per capita income with a shrinking alcoholic population and a third rate military. 

The ruskies probably have their 20 modern working aircraft in Syria. They have no credible allies, unless you call venezuela, iran, or north korea credible, besides being thugs with basket case economies that are only a little worse than russia itself.

I agree that obama is a liar and petty, but putin is a world class thug and could win the olympics if they had a category for liars. 

Yes America is down right now, because we have a pathetic piece of crap for a president, but in a little over a year he will be gone and America will start to recover, but russia will still be a third rate never has been or will be country that only knows how to bully its neighbors brutalize its people who are no better than the serfs of 100 years ago. Nothing has changed in russia, except who is czar.

God bless to all, respectfully, American Warrior

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 00:36 | 6634209 monk27
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In a little over a year, we stand a good chance to replace Obozo with Hillary. Now just take a moment, and think about that...

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:34 | 6635308 Victor von Doom
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Oh, I don't know - I'd probably call China a "fairly" credible country to have as an ally. Brazil and South Africa for resources wouldn't go astray either.

With the continued collapse of the West well underway I'd say the Russian hand doesn't actually look that bad. We're the ones in the shit with our Zio masters hating every industrialist that's still located in the West. Russians seems to like building things. So do the Chinese for that matter.

I find it staggering that you have the gumption to call any country on the planet a bully whilst claiming the title of American Warrior. 

The US is the biggest thug the world has ever seen. We will all breath a collective sigh of relief when its time has finally passed, which thankfully, won't be too long now.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 06:54 | 6634618 GCT
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Spot on Pods.

To hold the real estate it takes ground troops, not drones bombing and killing innocent civiilans.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:17 | 6632619 EscapeKey
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pentagon are worried about running out of hospitals to bomb

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:04 | 6632856 BandGap
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Scatching their balls asking "what's up?"

They'll do some more stupider than bombing a hospital and they'll be doing it real soon.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:53 | 6633081 Tarshatha
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Yeah, what's with that, I forgot about the hospital in Belgrade.

 

 

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:09 | 6633155 Jack Burton
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Belgrade. 1 communter train full, blown up. 1 bridge full of sunday shoppers crossing to the out door markets, blown up. 1 TV station with staff present, blown up to allow CNN the media market.

Just a small sample of Bill Clinton;s death orgy in Serbia.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:46 | 6633289 Tarshatha
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And one chinese embassy. Ooopsy

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 03:39 | 6634427 researchfix
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Chinaman not folget that.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 23:18 | 6634030 AmericanWarrior
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Ha ha escape key, the difference between America and your russian heroes is that America accidently hits civilian targets, where as as the russians do it on purpose. The russians targeted nearly 1 million  civilians intentionally in their Afghan war. Ameirca in 14 years has not been proven to have targeted any civilians intentionally. Additionally, no civilians have been proven to have been targeted in Iraq either. Russia can't say that about their butchering Ukranians. Also, the Afghans called in the airstrike, not Americans, but it is no less a tragic. Since when do russian thugs care about civilians anyways?

Respectfully, Ameircan Warrior

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 02:45 | 6634320 donhuangenaro
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accidental my ass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD1jHueZZc  (us soldiers shooting civilians in iraq for fun)

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 15:19 | 6636486 corsair
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Russia butchering Ukrainians?

Respectfully, you sir are an idiot.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 15:55 | 6645938 CWolfRu
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>Ameirca in 14 years has not been proven to have targeted any civilians intentionally. 

 

ACHTUNG! Zombie in thread!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:17 | 6632620 Skateboarder
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When all the homes are destroyed and the country siezed, the gas can flow from Qatar to Europe.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:19 | 6632633 Endgamer
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They should just give it all up willingly and end this senseless violence.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:23 | 6633438 jeff montanye
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and convert to judaism.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:01 | 6633600 gonetogalt
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Can't really convert, the table's full and there are no more seats. As a matter of fact, the tribe itself needs a bit of culling.

"It's a big club, and you're not in it" George Carlin

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:23 | 6632637 blabam
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We will pay with our refugees. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:26 | 6632662 Baby Bladeface
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Your president Merkel exhibits disinterest in your concerns.

Bear with it.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:18 | 6632629 Jethro
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Ahhhhh for Fuck's sake....did the Obama administration send another passive aggressive tweet?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:26 | 6632663 Chupacabra-322
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They provably did. The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. has turned so fucking juvenile it's pathetic. The Pure Evil Criminal Psychopaths at the CIA HAVE become the arming, funding & training of terror organizations laughing stock for all the World to see.

The Zionist Scum Fucks are Putins Bitch. And, they know it.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:03 | 6632854 Antifaschistische
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just the word "tweet" is so symbolic of everything coming out of the White House.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:32 | 6633239 Winston Churchill
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Thata a Twiit not tweet.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 07:11 | 6634641 Refuse-Resist
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Now we can apply the saying  "a little bird told me"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:06 | 6632867 BandGap
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I think the US has 5000 troops in Jordan.

#Getthoseboysrolling

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:35 | 6633246 HowdyDoody
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Some of those US troops are based at KASOTC in Amman where ISIS members were trained. Yet another one of those strange coincidences.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 10:38 | 6635336 Victor von Doom
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"#Getthoseboysrolling"

Yeah, home in the US - where they belong and not carrying out murder and mayhem on behalf of Zio monsters, you sick fuck.


Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:20 | 6632641 yomutti
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I wonder how many coffins will be goign home to Russia for the purpose of saving Putin's last client in the Middle East?

 

Ah well, I'm sure the mothers of Russia woudl rather have Assad than their sons.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:27 | 6632671 Baby Bladeface
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You already from the usual Ukro-troll indistinguishable.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:27 | 6632673 shovelhead
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What kind of world would it be if everyone stayed home and minded their own business?

Boring, I tell ya, that's what it would be.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:23 | 6632948 cynicalskeptic
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The Founding Fathers said 'avoid foreign engtanglements' and opposed a large standing Army.  After exterminating most of the natives and spreading coast to coast, the US was more than safe from overseas threats.  

The Spanish American War was pure agression and colonialist expansion - as were all the small wars in the Phillippines and Central America

The US could have sat out WWI and let the European powers pay the price for their own follies but no........ bankers would have lost too much in the loans made to England and France with the likely end result.  

WWII might never have occurred if the US had stayed out of Asia and Germany not been abused after WWI

Since WWII the US has been in a perpetual state of preparing for WWIII  and fighting wars all over the world dierwctly or by proxy  - even when no real threat or enemy existed.  Everything Eisenhower warned against has come true.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 11:04 | 6635437 Victor von Doom
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+100 cynicalskeptic - excellent summation.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:41 | 6632750 CWolfRu
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And I see another shit from nothing.

Element, you forgot to re-login dumb shit.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:24 | 6632955 TungstenBars
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"Member for

1 week 5 days"
Honestly, the fact that you take the time to make these accounts to post your angry nonesense only because the views on this site turn your delusional propaganda fantasies upside down and enrage you really really does it for me. :)
Keep talking. 
Just a little more..
Tue, 10/06/2015 - 02:22 | 6634356 ebear
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"I wonder how many coffins will be goign home to Russia for the purpose of saving Putin's last client in the Middle East?"

Fewer than Vietnam.

Fewer than Iraq too, I'd wager.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:22 | 6632646 Miketheterrible
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Talk is cheap.  Show us evidence.  At least we had evidence of Russian aircrafts.  So where is the evidence of the ground invasion?

Hypocrite bastards.  At least Russia has permission from the country.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:24 | 6632652 Normalcy Bias
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It's strange to think that with just one mistake from either side, we could see WWIII.

I suspect that the US will tuck tail, let the Russians get sucked in, and then provide the militant Islamic lunatics with advanced manpads.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:27 | 6632674 Jethro
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If the Pravda article around the time of Ambassador Steven's murder was legit, the islamic lunatics already have manpads.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:37 | 6632700 Normalcy Bias
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I had forgotten that the rumor was they were running Stingers (and other arms) through Benghazi, right?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:46 | 6632745 COSMOS
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The Russians can put down on the ground some amazing artillery, and WW2 shows they know how to use it.  Those manpads wont help against artillery barages and small stealth drones doing the spotting, imagine a small stealth drone running on electrical power only.  Where is the heat signature of that.  Or a small drone that is fuel pwered wont have a heat signature a manpad can lock on to.  All i have to say is that precise rolling artillery barrages can mop up any ISIL lines.  And without solid lines they are done for, plus most of Syria is flat with no cover.  They are sitting ducks.

If ISIL cant move artillery without it being a sitting duck and if they are forced to break into smaller groups then they can easily be surrounded and mopped up.  Expect them to collapse and run back to Turkey and KSA and mostly to EUROPE lol where Frau Al-Merkel will wait for them with open arms.

Just go to youtube and look up what some German soldiers said about the artillery barrages coming from the Russians.  Not even Hell on earth can match that experience.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:59 | 6632798 Normalcy Bias
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Oh, I wouldn't bet against the Russians. Not only do they have some of the best 'kit' out there, they also have the political will to do whatever it takes to win.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:32 | 6635025 Element
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In Russia boofhead ultra-nationalist psycho is of political military asset. Crazy Ivan is to win!

Is not talk of Afghanistan.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:29 | 6633463 frankly scarlet
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artillery= the hammers of war

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:53 | 6633566 Winston Churchill
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Hell, they could raid one of their military museums and then pulverize ISIS

with their discarded relics.

This is not the Kush, Syria is made for Russian tactics and weapons.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:13 | 6632899 hal10000
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Libya was used as the transit country for arms to "moderate" Syrian rebels because Libya was exempted from the Leahy law.  So, Washington's friends in Libya would be giving as many arms as they could to Syria and Washington would resupply Libya.

That's what I read.

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