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Trans-Pacific Partnership Deal Struck As "Corporate Secrecy" Wins Again
Once again the corporatocracy wins as the so-called "Trojan horse" Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement has been finalized. As WSJ reports, the U.S., Japan and 10 countries around the Pacific reached a historic accord Monday to lower trade barriers to goods and services and set commercial rules of the road for two-fifths of the global economy, officials said.
For the U.S., the TPP (reportedly) opens agricultural markets in Japan and Canada, tightens intellectual property rules to benefit drug and technology companies, and establishes a tightknit economic bloc to challenge China’s influence in the region (likely forcing their hand into separate trade agreements).
However, Obama is likely to face a tough fight to get the deal through Congress (especially in light of presidential candidates' opposition).
The US, Japan and 10 other Pacific Rim economies have reached agreement to strike the largest trade pact seen anywhere in two decades, in what is a huge strategic and political win for US President Barack Obama and Japan’s Shinzo Abe.
As The Wall Street Journal reports,
The deal, if approved by Congress, will mark an effective expansion of the North American Free Trade Agreement launched two decades ago to include Japan, Australia, Chile, Peru and several southeast Asian nations.
The trade deal has been in the works since 2008 but has been stymied by politically sensitive disputes, including a fight between the U.S. and Japan over the automobile industry.
Beyond that, however, it represents the economic backbone of the Obama administration’s strategic “pivot” to Asia and a response to the rise of the US’s chief rival, China, and its growing regional and global influence. It is also a key component of the “third arrow” of economic reforms that Mr Abe has been pursuing in Japan since taking office in 2012.
Biotechs, among others, are the big winners...
In pharmaceuticals and other industries, U.S. officials sought a deal that would be acceptable to other countries and as many members of Congress as possible, without triggering the outright opposition of a major business group. Many Democratic lawmakers and groups backing generic drugs and less expensive medicine didn’t want any more than five years of exclusivity for biologic drugs, and it wasn’t immediately clear if the compromise in the TPP would satisfy their concerns.
One of the last disputes to be resolved pitted Australia against the U.S., which was seeking up to 12 years of protection for biologic drugs against generic imitators. The two countries reached a complicated compromise that provides at least five and potentially up to eight years of exclusivity for biologics. Chile, Peru and other countries remained concerned about adding to the price of drugs through long exclusivity periods, according to people following the talks.
In another last-minute deal, Canada and Japan agreed to increase access to their tightly controlled dairy markets, allowing some American dairy products in, but New Zealand also persuaded the U.S. to accept more of its milk products. The sour milk fight caught the attention of Congress, where Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), two lawmakers overseeing trade policy, demanded that dairy producers in their states gain more access to Canadian consumers, a sensitive concession for Canada during its own election season.
But critics remain vocal...
U.S. labor unions and their allies among consumer and environmental groups are among the biggest critics of the TPP. The left-wing opposition has prevented Mr. Obama from getting many fellow Democrats—already skeptical of the deal’s benefits to U.S. workers—to support his trade policy.
An array of Republican lawmakers object to provisions that would strengthen the influence of labor groups, impinge on the ability of tobacco companies to fight against packaging rules and other laws overseas, and possibly harm local industries, from dairy farmers to sugar.
So it isn't over yet... (as The FT reports)
The deal announced on Monday by trade ministers from the 12 countries still must be signed formally by the countries’ leaders and ratified by their parliaments. In the US Mr Obama is likely to face a tough fight to get the deal through Congress next year, especially as presidential candidates like Republican frontrunner Donald Trump have argued against the TPP.
Only a handful of Democrats support Mr. Obama’s trade policy, and Republican support is unpredictable in the 2016 election year, depending on the stance of presidential candidates and new leadership in the House. As it is, the deal can’t go to a vote before Congress until early next year.
The odds of passage in Congress will hinge in large part on the final language in a number of provisions, ranging from the strengthening of rights for labor unions to whether U.S. cigarette companies will face special limitations within TPP countries.
“I will carefully scrutinize it to see whether my concerns about rushing into a deal before meeting all U.S. objectives are justified,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R., Utah), chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Sunday before the deal was completed.
Critics around the world have also lambasted the deal for being negotiated in secret and being biased towards corporations, criticisms that are likely to be amplified when the national legislatures seek to ratify the TPP in the months to come.
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Finally, as we detailed previously, the most troubling aspect of the TPP, asserts Ellen Brown, is the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) provision, which “first appeared in a bilateral trade agreement in 1959.” Brown continues:
According to The Economist, ISDS gives foreign firms a special right to apply to a secretive tribunal of highly paid corporate lawyers for compensation whenever the government passes a law … that [negatively impacts] corporate profits — such things as discouraging smoking, protecting the environment or preventing nuclear catastrophe.
Imagine a scenario in which the U.S., coming to its senses about climate change, imposes a revenue-neutral carbon fee on fossil energy. According to provisions of the TPP, a fossil-fuel company in a signatory nation could then sue the U.S. for lost profits, real or imagined.
The threat is not idle. In 2012, the U.S.’s Occidental Petroleum received an ISDS settlement of $2.3 billion from the government of Ecuador because of that country’s apparently legal termination of an oil-concession contract. Currently, the Swedish nuclear-power utility Vattenfall is suing the German government for $4.7 billion in compensation, following Germany’s phase-out of nuclear plants in the wake of Japan’s Fukushima disaster.
The ISDS provisions of the TPP are insidious: the means by which signatory nations voluntarily surrender national sovereignty to the authority of corporate tribunals, without appeal, and apparently without exit provisions. No wonder the negotiations are secret.
Packaged as a gift to the American people that will renew industry and make us more competitive, the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a Trojan horse. It’s a coup by multinational corporations who want global subservience to their agenda. Buyer beware. Citizens beware.
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American Apparel just filed Ch11.
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That's great news!
Great. I sure hope I never get cancer now.
Australia's pharmeceutical protections have been gutted, and so all Australians have just been screwed
When will we ACTUALLY learn what's in the Treaty, other than a huge win for a tiny group of insiders, and a colossal fuck job for everyone else?
First, we must allow Nancy Pelosi time to review the treaty. She will let us know the details. Don't worry.
If a bipartisan group of democrats and republicans agree that this is good for us, I am against it. I don't even need to hear any of the details. In the words of George Carlin, bipartisan just means a larger than usual deception is taking place.
Anybody hear that giant sucking sound?
It's the Free Shit Army cheering that they don't have to work.
Corporate secrecy won, or the Chosenite Ruling Elite won?
The answer to that is YES, one in the same.
In other non-news, CONgress sells out the American people once again for their corporate masters, the whores they would be.
Well, the good news is that I'll be dead by the time all the kids figure out how much this scam F'd them.
Unfortunately, I think that is sort of the point.
I DO NOT CONSENT.
Speaking of comedians, Steve Martin unknowingly got it right in his film The Jerk: "Sir, I'm a nigger!"
We're all niggers* now.
*Use not intended to disparage black people, but to make the point.
Have been for a long time, under the 14th amendment, which BTW was never ratified:
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-the-14th-a...
The entire structure of 'government' relies on lies for its power. You don't fight lies with weapons, but with the truth, which requires the effort of self-education.
BOHICA.
TPP = Transoceanic Parasitic Prerogative
Now these creatures have spread and shitting.
Gone are the days when making good products at a reasonable price would keep a company growing and fully employed. Now countries from around the globe can quicky improve/adapt a product at great speed and cheaper pricing disrupting both growth and employment of other companies. It is a battle in constant flux and workers will always pay the cost. We could go back to insolation and attempt to protect our interest but it is likely the world would trade around us as we decay trying to survive by eating ourselves.
Like NAFTA, TPP will likely further hurt our working class but help in overall business competition. Without business we have no "income tax" as it is paid by business before you even see it in your statements. Without income tax the bureaucracy will not be fed thus businesses must survive, workers and their dreams will be in constant flux in and out of demand.
Without income taxes the bureaucracy will not be fed??? The bureaucracy seems to be doing just fine even though taxes haven't kept up with spending in over half a century: it's called money printing. In fact, an income tax is completely superfluous when it comes to funding a government that prints its own money. Income tax is simply a form of social and political control, allowing government to pick winners and losers, and is a cudgel for going after the politically undesirable...a cudgel that the Obama administration has become masterful at using.
At least three quarters of all employees work for small businesses. Businesses that cannot afford to buy protection, from taxation, from regulation, from trade laws that ALWAYS discriminate against small business. The Chamber Of Commerce is notorious for this crap, bragging of their wins while ignoring the destruction in their wake. Sure, these deals, as with our laws WILL help some businesses...not all or even most. Just a few who are "friended" by those in position to lend a hand. Is is not capitalism, it is not mercantilism, and it IS NOT free trade. Its a hot poker up the ass for anyone who believes they can win by simply being better, working harder and smarter than others.
Bad for farmers, bad for the environment, bad for labor, bad for small business, bad for consumers, bad for property rights, bad for liberty, but good for the 0.001%.
It only works if there is a system of exchange between nations.
Avoid creating debt and we can kill this beast.
pods
Pretty hard to do when your government is only too happy to create the debt for you.
That is coming to a close too. Especially since China is puking treasuries.
The only way this works is if the FED can swallow 15-20 trillion on it's balance sheet, then 60, then 120, etc.
In 2007-8 private debt creation stopped expanding, forcing TARP and QE.
There is a limit on debt creation (it must be serviced), but not to an exponential function.
That is what will destroy their system.
pods
That, and the people's repudiation of THEIR (DC and the BIS) debt, which does not have to paid by the people.
Congress needs to approve it first before Pelosi will let us see the details.
It should be called Obamatrade.
his legacy
I suggest FedTrade, or BISTrade, or how about UNTrade? This is bigger than Barky. This is a banking & corporate creation, and if he didn't provide a figurehead for it, a face everyone could throw stones at, the next 'elected representative' would. Dethroning Barky would be emotionally satisfying for about 5 minutes, but then the next DC employee will do the exact same thing, because that's what his or her corporate bosses will demand.
<<Historically, the TPP is an expansion of the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement (TPSEP or P4) which was signed by Brunei, Chile, Singapore, and New Zealand in 2006. Beginning in 2008, additional countries joined for a broader agreement: Australia, Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, the United States, and Vietnam, bringing the total number of participating countries to twelve.>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
<<The latest proof of the Globalist plan for total economic imprisonment is available for scrutiny. Thanks to whistleblowers, the clandestine trade missions of international corporatists must contend with public blowback. Recently, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text, Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP), for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The TPP Agreement along with the Table of Contents and supportive documentation provides the evidence.>>
http://www.batr.org/corporatocracy/112013.html
Can we find out who its authors and sponsors are? Can we find out who owns the BIS system? This is a globalist initiative.
In addition to TTP, there are also
TTIP (for the EU) and TISA (to block any financial 'services' reform).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ttp-ttip-tisa-stopping-obamas-insane-legacy-trade-deals/5455447
The best catch-all for all these pending deals to empower corporate rule is ObamaTrade.
The 'corporate neoliberal trade packages' doesn't cut it , even though more precisely definitive.
Eventually people will come to fully understand what ObamaTrade means in fact.
We have to pass it to see whats in it.
Exactly why will it be hard for Obama to get this through Congress? Did the backers run out of money or something? As long as there are "contributions" to be made and accepted, I see the chance of success here at 100%. Who among them doesn't want a big PayDay? A nice trip? Hookers and blow?
FORWARD SOVIET CHECKBOOKS!
Or is that CHEKA-Books, as in your are in their book, on their "list".
Obama has gotten EVERY SINGLE THING he has wanted in seven years. Why would anyone think he can't get this one done?
TPTB (through their government sycophants) have gotten nearly everything they have wanted since 1913. Obama is beyond immaterial. We dilute the conversation when we refer to him as anything more than an empty suit.
Hope almost always ends in failure.
Hope works if it is also accompanied by efforts to pursue the goals of hope, to make your dreams come true. Not wishing upon a star or voting for your favorite socialist.
That's because 'hope' is always something off in the future. It is never, RIGHT NOW.
The reason I like instant gratification is because it happens right away.
Love me some Free Trade!
Great indeed! Peru is in it too. Nothing makes one want to dive headfirst into a pile of good Peruvian, like reading the fucking news. FFS
So TPP cover 40% of the world's economy. Simple solution, deal only with the other 60% (presumably Russia, China ????)
A long, long time ago
I can still remember how America used to make me smile
And I knew if it had a chance
That it could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But TPP made me shiver
With every leak they'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can remember that I cried
The day democracy died
Hardly. China is obviously a big piece of th eworld economy. But Russia is negligible.
Drunk again? Go sleep it off.
We will have to accept responsibility for this shit eventually. Our jobs are leaving because we are buying the shit that other countries are sending here. Just fucking STOP IT. Stop buying shit because you think it is better or cheaper. If you care about your neighbor's job....if you care about YOUR job, just FUCKING STOP IT! Our country is dying because we don't care about anything but ourselves, and not even enough to take care of ourselves. "We" in the aggregate of course!
If you think physically attacking senior company directors only happens in emerging markets, then you will need to see these pictures coming from France just now.
Senior officials of Air France were attacked and their shirts torn off. They were lucky to have escaped unhurt.
All because they decided to do a mass lay off of 2,900 airline pilots, ground staff and cabin crew!
Developed countries are moving backwards and resemble more like the third world due to all the global crisis related problems that continue to accelerate worldwide in 2015!
As jobs will further leave EU due to the TPP from one country to another, expect more such actions in the months ahead....
Air France bosses attacked by staff over mass job cuts – in pictures
Air France bosses' shirts ripped off amid attacks by angry workers over job losses
I really like global commerce. Even the word secrecy is repugnant.
I am so conflicted... lol.
GOVERNMENT BY SECRECY
Their deal, not ours.
This is corporate collective bargaining gone global. Klepto capitalists have formed a union themselves to make sure the sheep stay in their pens. Govt crony apparatus contracted to keep the labor flock obedient in the name of free trade.
“If there is hope, it lies in the proles.”
- George Orwell, 1984
Except that this corporate deal is a conspiracy against the people in every sense of the word. Shouldn't be confused with collective bargaining of workers -- powerful as opposed to powerless.
Is it a conspiracy when people recognize and use our weaknesses against us? Governments and businesses have been studying our behaviors for a very long time. We are largely predictable in our responses to just about everything. We have been marketed to, manipulated and lied to since humans first learned to speak. Is it a conspiracy if one group sees its opportunity and takes it?
I don't know. I do know that IF we are to ever be free, we will first have to take responsibility for our own lives, our wins and losses, before we expend any effort in finding others to blame. We have fallen for the same lies and bullshit since history has been recorded. There is absolutely NOTHING new here. We either got to smart up, stop believing the lies, stop chasing the "something for nothing" and take care of business. Fuck these people who want to drive us like sheep. we MUST say no.
How and why arent we in a civil war yet?
Stupified youth. The government thinks for them.
Wonder how Germany allowed Hitler in power?
Wonder how Germany allowed Hitler in power?
Pretty sure it was a lot like this.
Stupid youth?
I don't see the middle aged, middle class out there in the streets with their guns shooting at bankers.
Great idea. Now if we just stopped shooting at each other and focused our frustrations where they belong? What a wonderful world this could be.
A civil war would not make the oligarchs unhappy, at all. It would, however, make life even tougher for regular people who have to fight it, and those who have to make a living and get by - who managed to live through it. And kiss even the last vestiges of 'freedom' goodbye. A war is unnecessary, but it's the first thing people are tempted to run to when the 'government' makes a show of force.
Get on the internet. Educate yourself about your so-called 'government', which is nothing but a corporation. You don't have to belong to it or continue to adher to it. Take some time and put in some effort to learn what it really is. It is as much a corporate fiction as the currency is. Then when you learn about it, teach others.
renfield, the civil war has been on going, it's just the .gov captured as it is, the elite have the power of .gov, and ownership of media to make it seem that all this is normal ...many of us are fighting with refusal to buy buy take our cash out of banks, i refuse to buy new, second hand - used cars - that is a weapon we have, refusing to vote is another, but lets face it the elite have the media and they can win more than lose in the psychology of the people..
With all due respect, fuck the 'media'. We have the internet. The 'media' has less power today than it has since the 1960s. Look out for yourself and a few around you, and spread from there.
Here's a pretty good essay on the history and incorporation and capture of the united States:
www.annavonreitz.com/annavonreitz.pdf
There is a myriad of sources out there, about how to UN-incorporate. As you learn how it was done, you'll learn how to undo it. It takes time, education, and effort, but we each have to STOP watching or relying on the 'media' in any way. Yes, it'll take awhile. But the internet is lighting up the truth every day.
Here's a good site to read around:
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com
Don't like my sources? You can turn up better ones with your own search. As it becomes clear what the government is, it becomes clear how to secede or withdraw consent from it. But anyone who is not prepared to do a lot of reading, to make up for their lack of knowledge of their own national history, is probably not going to win a civil war either -- which is much harder. I realise a lot of us aren't big readers (not directed personally at you or anyone else here), but it is time to put in that effort. Education, not violence, is the answer. REAL education. We have the internet and we can (still) use it.
You already had your revolution. You do not need another. You and yours CANNOT take over DC. What would you want to take over, a corporation? May as well march on the headquarters of Disney or Blackwater, or try to 'take back' the Fed! They're all privately owned. You need to get out from under the thumb of DC's corporation and take back your own State to a real government. That is through secession and the real withdrawal of your own voluntary consent. But until you know how that is obtained, you cannot learn how to withdraw it. THEY made the agreement. YOU did not.
Taking over DC would be like taking over the One Ring of Power. It would simply corrupt its next occupants into the next agreement in the ongoing bankruptcy process. The real enemy is the bankrupt corporation of UNITED STATES, INC. and its Federal Reserve/BIS banking system. You don't try to take it over or scream about its agreements; you have to get right OUT of it.
But without media, how will we know what is the truth???
I miss Dan Rather....I just don't know what to think now that he is gone!
It would make them unhappy if we unseated them and boxed them out, which is exactly what they are doing to the people. No pain, No gain, some dont understand the concept. The people are getting tired of all the B.S. They want to make it shitty for the 90% lets make it shitty for a 100%, whats 10% percent between friends? Not much left to save might as well start over fresh? No?
That is not being fair to Hitler-He gained enormous public support by throwing the banksters out of Germany and making Germans wealthy again through introducing a public banking system. What this agreement could be equated to is Germany suffering an endless Weimar Republic collapse, Germany under the heels of the criminal cabal.
criminal Zionist cabal
I stand corrected...a criminal zionist cabal!
A national (or better, State) bank would be a good start.
I seem to recall some midnight assasinations going on in order to rig some german elections.
Irrelevant behind the scenes details. Look at the bigger picture...they were supermen!
Get them overweight, diabetic and addicted to depressants .... Flock-o-sheeple. Hitler came to power during the depression. Sheeple dont realize they are in one now. Keep lowering the standards slowly no one notices. Frog in the pan.
They will take till they cant take anymore. With greed you have to rip it out of their hands. Its the only way... they insist on it.
People have the power to boycot and reject these mega-corporation's goods, and we should boycot them en masse. When black Americans finally understood this power in Montgomery, Alabama they boycotted the buses, carpooled and walked.
I think Apple has an app for that.
Boycott all goods from "inverted" corporations.
There should be taxes and tariffs if our GOVT was looking out for us. Since there is not, a boycott taxes the "inverted"
Boycotting their products is another good start. Despite what these agreements and ACA aspire to, they cannot MAKE you transact with them even under colour of law.
How and why arent we in a civil war yet?
This agreement won't last. When countries start losing GDP, they will create tariffs and barriers, they will be sued, and payments demanded. Then they will drop out. Go ahead, sue the US. Assuming it works, you will be paid in worthless FRNs, not worth the paper they are not printed on.
<<Then they will drop out.>>
And that's the key. How much more proof do people need, after TARP and ACA? Do you really think "Congress" will save you, after all their previous betrayals?
No surprise they got it together, only that it took this long. The corporate system is making the UN/Vatican power grab look good by comparison. Sheeple are used to 2 choices: 1) Federal Reserve/corporate system status quo? Or 2) Papal/UN 2030 New World Order? Which one do ya like better, old boss or new?
How about this: get out of the DC system. Think smaller. It is past time to kick the corporate overlords out of power, by instead returning to local and (small, limited) national governments, UN-incorporating. Corporate powers have passed similar agreements over nations, signed by 'representatives' who are in fact anything but, since the days that the Federal Reserve Act was 'passed' in 1933 (without a real quorum and essentially in the dead of night, in secret, quickly followed by similar acts and banks in Canada, Australia, and other countries). This is no different. It is just less secret than usual, thanks to the internet. It is part of the same corporate bankruptcy process and is the reason the IMF can speak so casually of confiscating pensions and the like, because these corporate giants regard your property and earnings as 'theirs'.
'Behind closed doors' is the way they have operated since the Constitution was signed. This is NORMAL. Wake up! You think your puny little vote matters, to a giant multi-national corporation run by oligarchs? Do you think it ever has?
This goes for Canada, Australia, and all DC satellites. But these 'governments' and their associated currencies are not truly national and have not been for a long time. As long as people continue to conform to a system that claims to "own" their lands and persons, under a 'federal' (really, a corporate, The United States, Inc.) bankruptcy dating from 1863 and declared in 1933, it should be no surprise when they get betrayed, over and bloody over again. The 'federal' government is and for a long time has been privately owned, and operated as a for-profit company under contract. It is an umbrella corporation which we do not HAVE to belong to, and it is now and always has been subservient. DC does not have to be your government. The united States of America is not the same as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC., but as long as people continue to insist that they are, these 'agreements' will be enforced under colour of law. Don't imagine this will be the last rights-infringing agreement. It is the latest in a long line. But the UNITED STATES is not the united States any more than your NAME is your personal name. It is a corporate fiction which people may remove from if they have enough will to educate themselves and others. (Which takes time, and care, and sorry, effort.)
'Congress' will not and cannot save you. Call them, write letters, carry signs, and see if that turns out any different from any other time that the 'government' has bloated further out of individual reach. Has government ever - ever - shrunk or given back power as a result of protest? Doesn't 'compromise' always seem to turn out to be just a slightly smaller power grab, 1 step forward instead of 2, but never a step back? Anyone protesting this is a well-meaning dreamer.
People must individually and as local and state groups, first educate yourselves then some others on financial and constitutional history, and take action to drop away, to secede, on a more local level. If this act wakes enough people up, then it is all for the better.
<<Assuming it works, you will be paid in worthless FRNs, not worth the paper they are not printed on.>>
They should be paid in the currency of the people who agreed it, BY the people who agreed it, with their own production and slaves but not ours and not us. The Federal Reserve currency does not have to continue masquerading as ours, and their corporate agreements do NOT have to be adopted by us as our own.
Anyone protesting this is a well-meaning dreamer...
Unfortunately, anyone protesting this is probably considered a racist.
Eventually, anyone protesting this will be considered a terrorist.
Your moniker tells the story why the youth are pre-occupied with something else. If there is to be a revolution, it will not come from the old, they are spent. It won't come from the middle-aged, they still have too much to lose. No, it will have to be the young, when they realize their tomorrows have been sold to some overseas slave trader. Now you know why the "legal marijuana" movement is being secretly pushed and accepted by TPTB. Keep them stoned and on the couch is a winning strategy for them.
FUCK YOU MORON. ITS FUCKING DICK HEADS LIKE YOU THAT ARE FUCKING CLUELESS, THEY ARE KILLING OUR KIDS WITH PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. IF YOU HAD A FUCKING CLUE YOU WOULD BE DANGEROUS.
I have personally see weed help more people than fucking prescription drugs, the fucking government has a patent on it as a brain protectant you fucking dipshit.
Now there is a reasoned and well thought out argument if I ever saw one. Congrats.
In areas where weed is legal deaths from prescription drugs are way the fuck down. Weed is helping people like it has for thousands of years. Only DICKHEADS like yourself dont have a fucking clue.
I smoke weed and Ill kick your ass every fucking day of the week asshole. GET OVER IT.
I dont touch poison pills and alcohol, but I would never tell you not to, I would encourage you to try an oxy maybe you can see first hand the damage they do.
Last year marijuana was not on anyone’s death certificate, THAT ITSELF IS FUCKING AMAZING. I CALL IT THE GOLDEN ZERO. Just for reference 1 person dies every 19 minutes from prescription drugs, now add alcohol. YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT. WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT IS I WILL BE SURE TO POINT THEM IN YOUR DIRECTION. ILL SAY "NOW THATS A FUCKING IDIOT" I dont want our youth dying any more you fucking dickhead. Its actually helping to save our kids from the drug companies, no matter what we say kids are doing to do whatever they can get their hands on, as we currently can see.
Marijuana and hemp are growth industries of the future, and so far corporate 'government' has been unable to corral them into the Big Pharma fold. We need to keep it that way. I think even an 'agreement' (or amendment) isn't going to work on those, any more than it did on alcohol.
You are violent and dangerous, no doubt a product of your drug abuse. Listen up kid, and listen good: NO ONE TAKES A DOPER SERIOUSLY. YOUR JUDGEMENTS ARE SECOND GUESSED, AND YOUR OPINION ISN'T RESPECTED. Now go check into rehab and get your mind right. Nobody said prescription drugs were good, your stoned mind brought that up.
I have no doubt your a stubborn old dickhead that just cant help himself. I have only been violent in self-defense and only towards people like you who think they know whats best for me and make me do it their way. People like you who think everyone should think just like you.
"NO ONE TAKES A DOPER SERIOUSLY. YOUR JUDGEMENTS ARE SECOND GUESSED, AND YOUR OPINION ISN'T RESPECTED."
ONLY BY DICKHEADS LIKE YOURSELF WHO I HAVE NO PROBELM TELLING TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES. I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF, I DONT FUCKING NEED YOU. IF I DIDNT TELL YOU, YOU WOULD NEVER FUCKING KNOW DICKHEAD.
When someone thanks you because they have an appetite finally after months, or they can sleep well at night, or it keep their siezers in control, and its done naturally.... you tell me what a dope I am cause I dont give a fuck, I know who I am.
You want to throw your life away and squander any talents {however small and meager} you might have on drugs, be my guest, it's your life. I'm only pointing out the truth. Most people that I have known in my life that used drugs always had a problem with the truth. Marijuana does have a place, just not in the way it's being pushed. Should it be made legal like booze? Sure. Adults should have the say in what they can take into their body. But when the train wreck comes, not one cent of taxpayer dollars should go toward rehab. You got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out or die.
Being "PUSHED"? Its been illegal? Mexican Drug Dealer were "Pushing it" Your so clueless. I have no problem obviously at all with the truth. Its not legal 100% where I am yet and I follow the law and use it to help people, and Im sick of the sterotype people like you have.. Its not right, this stuff helps people whether you or I like it or not. That is the fucking TRUTH. Like I said you have no clue, the Indians use to call it the "peace pipe", because it makes peace. Maybe if more people tried it things would be more peaceful? But everyone has such a closed mind?
The people you're screaming at there have almost certainly used hemp, in one form or another, and know very well what it does. I can say from my own experience when much younger that hash and heads made everything I did, or rather tried to do, generally a fuck up, and my memory and organization went out the window, and my capacities and faculties went with it. It's a fun sort of buzz, for a few times, but it got the nickname 'dope' for very good reason, and I used it enough times to figure out why, it is a drug of impairment, it turns functional capable people into useless dopes, and they mostly don't realize it, or rather, they are so attached to it, they simply deny it to themselves, and everyone around them.
Try to do an honest evaluation of the impact and impairment, and do it when you haven't been taking it for a week or two and maybe you'll figure it out. If you do, you may decide to give it up as a 'lifestyle', and maybe you'll occasionally have a valid reason to use it, actually medicinally.
You just dont get it, I dont smoke it all the time. I am angry because everyone thinks they know what is best for me and I am sick of it. The government thinks they can do anything with TPP, this dickhead thinks he knows me. I SHOULD BE ANGRY... LOOK AT THE FRENCH... You think your experience is the same as mine, its not dude. I function very well thank you, I do well, I am organized and disciplined, I have a family a house on 5 acres for the past 21 years and I started smoking weed 10 yrs before that, never had a government handout, I think you may want more people smoking weed. It helps people medically and the stereotyping by the older generation has to go. Ill fucking beat them into the ground with it. Not because I smoke too much, because I believe they are not seeing the "good". The people who benefit need to be able to access the "good" w/o dickheads like him throwing labels around. Its not a bunch of stoned teenagers sitting around and even it was it would be harmless. Ive dealt with old dickheads like him my whole life and Im still doing just fine. Talking the way I did to him is the only way these old fucks listen. This title says it all theobsoleteman what a fitting title.
Its funny you seemed to recover with very few consequences and choose your own path just fine, because everyone has to figure it out for themselves. How bad can that be. Do you feel the need to choose for everyone now that your the expert? You cant tell anyone what to do around drugs. With prescription drugs you probably would have been dead, let alone have any chance to be able to recover to full happy life, do you get what Im saying? Everyone goes through the stage you went through, when they do it with weed they live to see the rest of their life.
I get what you're saying, that's why I did not make a judgement. I'm an old fart now to, but no permanent harm, but never was a heavy smoker, just for a bit of fun. I take nothing now as I learned humans work much better without anything. Imagine that!
That said I knew a guy like you at Uni who smoked every day and seemed little affected by it, he was always ripped and still functioned, not well by any means, but better than you'd expect. Until he showed up less and less for lectures and pracs and then when on break he got stoned sitting on top of a cliff with his girlfriend, and he just fell off. He lived but shattered both legs in many places, wrecked both ankles and knees, shattered femurs to his hips. Fell off because he was acting like a dope. ;-)
If I could COUNT how many people I know that did something stupid drunk or on pills and died it would shock you. What is your point? There has been so many I forget about most of them. Ive personally never know anyone to die from just weed by itself in my life...The only dope is the one who doesnt open his mind. You would be surprised how much a vegetable glycerine tincture could help you in your older age, it helps to regulate all kinds of bodily functions, naturally. It only gives a body high so to speak and not in your head its not a cloudy experience at all. For me I feel alive and invigorated when I do it, its great for physical work. You would be shocked. and its healthy. What you should be doing is getting with the program and at least checking it out so your biases dont hold you back. Dont let someone else decide for you. There I just did some, its been a couple months and I figured this would be a great time. Ive never woken up feeling better or more rested than when I sleep on tincture unlike the hangovers that used to cripple me, I havent had a hangover in 11 years, which make me extremely productive compared to most. Most people tell me I look much younger than I am. In other words its been working for me, so leave me be because Im not you.
The last one that really got me was about 6 yrs ago there was an 18 yr old beautiful girl with her whole life ahead of her who came in to a place where people go to get help, she came in the first night, then not for a couple days, she came back said she had "slipped up" and was really upset that she had done, regretted it. She came back for a few days and then the same thing. Till one time she O.D. and died. It was prescription drugs and its just unspeakable. If she had just been a "dope" and smoking dope, she may still have her whole life ahead of her. She wrote her name and the date on a chalk board and a year or so later someone erased it by mistake, everyone was trying to keep it there. Thank god I didnt grow up in this environment. Its a whole different world out there from when you or even I were young, the drugs today arent very forgiving. If I wanted to I could fill a page with all the people that I have known to die from prescription drugs, illicit drugs and alcohol. The recovery/success rate is very low usually under 5% with alcohol and prescription/illicit drugs. Anything we can do to make sure our kids arent dying we should do. I myself got hurt working and went in and was put on vicodin ten or so years ago, within three months I was in intensive care twice after having O.D.ed. It took along time to recover from a simple visit to the doctors, luckily I had enough discipline I survived, but I saw the light. I was not in control and I had been till that point. The only pills Ive taken since then are aspirin..
Gee, I feel like I have really been missing out! Maybe if I smoked dope all this other shit would matter less and I could just be happy :$
I'm hungry...
You must be just another OLD FUCK. Excuse me, I meant to say IGNORANT OLD FUCK.
I bet you will think twice about running your mouth about weed again now wont you! OBSOLETEMAN!
MOAR NWO abrogation of Natural Rights by the Leviathan.
What a nice corporate store I must shop in. Don't say anything negative Cletus or the sheriff'll come getchu
Good Lord, We the People are Being Raped, Pillaged and Robbed by their Own Leaders on behalf of Their Financial Enablers
But one night,
Obongo didn't show up
He was sucking cock backstage at The Armory
In order to get a pass
To see some big rock group for free
Presumably this is the reason for the rally over the last few days.
Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement has been finalized. As WSJ reports, the U.S., Japan and 10 countries around the Pacific reached a historic accord Monday to lower trade barriers to goods and services and set commercial rules of the road for two-fifths of the global economy, officials said
Gee?... Only 2/5 would sign up to it?....
What do the other 4/5 have to say about it!!!
TTIP and TISA coming shortly for them...
The Soviett Union is a "Corporation" .... Saudi Arabia is a limited partnership .... the biggest oil companies are government owned .... so, what's a corporation .... McDonalds, Disney and Toys R Us ?
Just look for the people screwing you. Those are the corporations.
I think Monsanto is a corporation. Maybe United Health Group and Pfizer, too.
BUT HOW TPP WILL STRANGLE CHINA , CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN ?
Geat ready American worker! Bend over, lube up and grab your ankles because another high, hard-one is coming straight up your ass courtesy of Uncle Sam. Another 3 million jobs gone to some third world shithole....
3 million American jobs lost?!!!...
quadruple that number and + to the 94 million out of work in this Country already!!!
And anyway "Oceania" will be at war with Russia and China before it ever gains any real fotting anyway!
Do we even have 12 million jobs left? Anyway, point taken. Most morons won't even care because of the new war on something, or too distracted to care because of some other "wag the fuckin' dog" shite that will make us feel "socially responsible."
Good lord, I hope this doesn't make it through congress. It's bad enough that anyone actually signed up for this shitte!
Don't panic yet people this deal will be reverted as soon as WWIII finished and US is destroyed.
Yeah, but they'll replace it with something much worse.
The Target corporation is free shipping 72 double rolls of Angel Soft to my brother's residence (he's deceased) .... for $30.xx .... and I get a $10 Target gift card .... oh, the evil ?
The "winners" of this deal will offshore jobs and profits.
Who's left to offshore too? Isnt everybody already accounted for here? Or already answering Sprint calls already in India?
Their gonna have to in-shore more people to offset the offshore , shoring? /sarc
Reminds me of free agents in baseball actually, maybe if the workers wise up theyll start a union and demand higher wages.
Just pay attention to who signs it.
There's even investment in ISDS cases by hedgefunds, if a case is won, a percentage goes to the 'investor' .
Final judgement in ISDS cases goes through the Worldbank ......
Corporate fascism.
https://icsid.worldbank.org/apps/icsidweb/about/pages/default.aspx
Yesterday on Dutch tv, partly Dutch, partly English.
http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2015-2016/ttip.html
"Obama is likely to face a tough fight to get the deal through Congress"
Bullshit.... Corporations own the con-gress as well. They're all bought off nickel whores.
Edit: Didn't mention the constitutionality of it. As it admittedly sucks up national sovereignty it would be instantly unconstitutional but in our 'post' constitutional enlightened days who really cares?
TPP has purposely been kept secret because if the details were known, the voters of supposedy 'democratic' countries would be in an uproar. It's the same idea as how Obamacare was passed. Democracy died a long time ago, but the sheeple are kept docile with 'free' stuff.
They'll all get together, fight it out, and then pass it by one vote.
yep, kinda like how rubio was able to sit out the vote a while back. I forget the details, something about fast-track, but a republican senator, one whoI believe was retiring, changed his vote to 'yes' so that rubio could just not vote. That way, he could tell the plebes he wants to vote for him that "he didn't vote for fast track" while also keeping in favor of his corporate owners that he didn't vote against it. Technically, he is telling the truth on both counts, and luckily for him, most people are either not paying attention, or are too stupid to notice.
Don't forget TTIP as well... on the other side of the earth. SSDD there.
So... Let me get this sraight.
The PPT has to cover for the policies of TPP?
Remember to bow before your corporate CEOs.
So we don't need the World Trade Organization, right? We beat Russia and China over the heads for decades with that and now we make a separate arrangement with their trading partners?
"The Loosers Trade Pact"
Loosers?
Loosers as in countries in decline (at least most of them)
*losers
TPP is a coverup for ISDS claims; South Africa and Brazil are struggling to get rid of treaties because they already paid billions in claims.
http://wolfstreet.com/2015/08/13/spain-bitter-foretaste-of-trade-pacts-t...
<<The irony is pungent: of all Europe’s governments, few have expressed such fervent support for TTIP and its ISDS charter as Spain. While more and more local councils up and down the country declare their opposition to the covert trade treaty, the country’s two major establishment parties — the governing People’s Party (PP) and the only-in-name Socialist Party (AKA PSOE) — are completely, unquestioningly, on board. Both parties joined forces In a vote last year to block a motion calling for a national referendum on TTIP. The government even refuses to hold a parliamentary debate on the issue. Yet now, in what can only be described as a master class in political hypocrisy, that same government cries foul of a system of international justice that it continues to wholeheartedly support — a system of justice that could soon cost Spanish taxpayers billions of euros in damages. Naturally, the government will not waver in its commitment to ISDS, for the simple reason that Spain’s largest companies will also be able to rake in billions by suing other governments for threatening their profits.>>
Vote TRUMP 2016 to repeal NAFTA and to scrap this collosal rectal enema, TPP.
Vote Donald Trump for sacrificial assassination lamb.
There I fixed it for you.
Vote Trump 2016 to complete the transformation of America into a reality TV show.
As somebody who exports a lot from the USA to Asia, I can tell you this deal is a good thing. Right now, most asian trade partners have very high barriers - whether tarriff or non-tarrifff. TPP get rid of a lot of these, without giving up much on our side.
How th' fuck could you know this if it's all such a big fucking secret?
its irrelevant what he knows or thinks he knows. As I stated above, if obama and a bunch of "establishment types" in both parties, along with all the biggest banks and corporations, are pushing this, you can be assured its a bad deal for the average US citizen. Don't really need to know anything else.
Yes - .gov and "corp" led deals are BS for most of us proles.
Maybe we should pay more attention to the forest of depleting resources/energy per capita and the exponential growth of currency/debt. TPP will last all of a year or two. Separate the signal from the noise.
"Troll Alert" for $1500 Alex. (check their MO)
The people of the world just got screwed.
What else is new?
Sorry to say but they're (we're) getting screwed because of their (our) own inaction.
The U.S spy, military industrial internationalists own all the governments including Washington which in turn control their military's and police organizations. When/If an attempt is ever made to break free of the clutches of fascism it will be bloody and each day they are allowed to continue will make it worse. There will be no reasonably 'free' nations to save us as there was in 1941. Soon alternative news sites will not be tolerated. Errant posters will be disappeared. They already control the social media. Pukerberg is already censoring Farcebook per fascist Merkels wishes. It's always one little takeover step at a time and with digital they can control just about everything. The movie Matrix is rapidly becoming a reality, just like the book 1984. Freedom isn't free.
TPP press conference now here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3KBpGE1VLs
I was wondering why the article was so soft on Obama's role in the TPP crime until I read this:
"Imagine a scenario in which the U.S., coming to its senses about climate change, imposes a revenue-neutral carbon fee on fossil energy. According to provisions of the TPP, a fossil-fuel company in a signatory nation could then sue the U.S. for lost profits, real or imagined."
The author advocates moar big government scam taxes on citizens.
The progressive stupid, it burns.
Grimaldus
If you follow the link you can find out that Carbon and Carbon dioxide are the same thing. Next time I'm cooking I hope I don't forget my chemistry and accidentally put some sodium on my steak instead of salt.
Nice video on the fascist trade pact.
https://www.rt.com/business/317673-tpp-pacific-trade-deal/
Because if you like your cheap shit from China, you're gonna love your cheaper, shittier shit from Viet-Nam and Malaysia.
If the little children keep losing hands on powersaws and the country makes them use time consuming safety features, Ikea will sue their ass into the next century.
Way to Go Obama.
Tpp approved yet? I will be able to sell my Gold fringed American flags to Asian countries now without tariffs. I win!
We left a bunch in Viet-Nam but they might be a little shopworn by now.
Obama's back room deals Chicago style.
obuma said his model for president was Lincoln..so all this talk of civil war is well I guess there is some there, there...
international elite citizens of the world..say fuck you fuck you very much
Obama says his model for president was Lincoln? Well, that explains EVERYTHING.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/was-lincoln-a-tyrant/?_r=0
Still nowhere to be found on Yahoo News. Maybe if they put a Confederate flag on the TPP cover sheet, people would care.
The anti-white, anti-Christian pro homosexual socialist jew media propaganda on yahoo is sickening.
Run by a WHITE Lutheran Mom called Marissa Mayer.
The lutherans love money too.
So is MM a white, anti-christian-jewish shrew... who uses her dildo to make soon to be three children?
That would be an awesome achievement for single women!
I would assume Yahoo will know a spike to match that of Glencore's when she has her twins.
people invented trade 10,000 years before we invented government. Now that gov't is convinced we can't do it without them.