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The Window Has Closed On The Fed

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Submitted by Lance Roberts via STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:50 | 6632513 pods
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Janet will simultaneously raise rates by 5% and cut rates by 6%.

NIRP is coming. Or should I say war?

pods

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:54 | 6632534 aint no fortuna...
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yellen, bernanke, greenspan - why do they all look like fucking hobbits?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:59 | 6632556 SafelyGraze
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don't understimate my abilities.

as I said before, "if the economy surprises us, our judgments about appropriate (excuse me) monetary policy will of course change. so let me stop there."

hugs,
misteryellens 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:32 | 6632993 espirit
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Misteryellens ends up the bagholder, the music has stopped, and there are no chairs available.

What to do?

Pull the fire alarm.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:48 | 6633063 Implied Violins
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Yell, "ACTIVE SHOOTER IN THE ROOM!!"

Maybe we'll get lucky.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:33 | 6632703 starman
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aint no; because you and I are in this shit called the lord of the rings! Bernankie is really Frodo! aaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:35 | 6632714 tdag
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how do you close something that was never open?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:59 | 6632831 mtndds
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"They know nothing!!!!!"

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:14 | 6633179 ict-infcomtech.lu
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.. cause they all carry the same genes, and are therefore CHOSEN! It's as simple as this

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:03 | 6632568 crazytechnician
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Interest rates are a LAGGING indicator of how much more ponzi fiat debt the peon muppets are prepared to take on. The muppets are maxxxxed out now and can't take on any more debt , no more expansion of debt = no more expansion of the money supply , it;s the exact opposite , contraction of debt = contraction of money supply  Ergo - NEGATIVE RATES BITCHEzzz....

Anything you don't wanna lose in the bail-in's or helicopter drop stick into metal and bitcoin ..

 

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:08 | 6632874 A Nanny Moose
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Just don't fuck with my chocolate rations, and nobody gets hurt.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:51 | 6632517 max2205
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print!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:52 | 6632519 vq1
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"if we wait too long then we run the risk of raising rates more abruptly, and I think that just increases the probability that we make more mistakes" 

-Eric Rosengren, president of the Boston Federal Reserve Bank.

 

more mistakes you say?

 

poor guy isnt in yellens inner circle

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:52 | 6632523 alexcojones
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FED is a Criminal Organization,  

AND Treason.

For the benefit of a few at the expense of the many.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:55 | 6632541 astoriajoe
Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:02 | 6633113 dimwitted economist
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Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET To DA CHOPPER!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

 

IS FUCKING RIGHT.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 09:49 | 6635134 astoriajoe
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That was Schwarzenegger doing his best performance of a regional fed president, in a deflationary environment. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:56 | 6632543 Jethro
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Why is it that laymen could see this coming years ago, and the "experts" couldn't? They knew exactly what they were doing. They'll profess innocence, ineptitude and even (probably especially) their Jewish faith, anything to escape the noose.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:45 | 6632767 NoDebt
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Exactly, Jethro.  Exactly.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:57 | 6632545 turtle
Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:59 | 6632555 Mark Mywords
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The fucking farce is complete.

If you think the Fed was ever going to raise rates, boy, have I got some swell oceanfront property in Nebraska for you. Dirt cheap!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:35 | 6632713 Implied Violins
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Careful...you could be one very broke prophet: http://www.greatdreams.com/maps.htm /s

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 16:59 | 6632557 chubbar
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So the FED should raise rates X percent so that it has the ability to lower them X percent when the recession that action causes is realized? What kind of fucking logic is this? BTW, we are already in a depression so I don't think we need to worry about a recession. How's that for logic. Do whatever the fuck you want with rates, it isn't going to change the flight path of this crash, assholes.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:03 | 6632576 Jethro
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I propose that they institute asymptotic numbers for Fed Rates. Now...where is my Nobel Prize for Economics?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:32 | 6633467 logicalman
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I think they've been over using the square root of minus one for a long time!

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:02 | 6632571 Bill of Rights
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Famous last words if the average American dope.

" oh I don't pay attention to that stuff "

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:59 | 6632832 BandGap
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Living the dream, baby.

I love how the drones in the population still think we'll get back to the status quo of 25 years ago. It gone baby. Wrapped in cable Tv or betting on all sorts of pro sports, drinking that piss water known as Bud Light.

Even the entertainment factor is fading. Once detatched you can watch, but like the doom stories here, it gets old after awhile.

Wish they would just lihgt this motherfucker and get it moving.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:46 | 6633052 espirit
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Hey -

I like But Wipe after 12 or so...

Jus' Sayin'

(I think there's a Thomas Jefferson quote somewhere in there)

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:35 | 6633493 logicalman
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My entertainment factor for the day, yesterday, was a five hour hike and some target practice, followed by food over a camp fire in the woods - Now that's entertainment that never fades.

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:02 | 6632573 OC Sure
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The purpose of the Fed was always to secure the oligarchy. 

As one window closes, another opens.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:04 | 6632857 cougar_w
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"As one window closes, another opens."

I don't think TPTB feel that way at all this time. They are getting while the getting is still good (shale play, anyone?) because the music is about to full-stop.

Hedge accordingly.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:11 | 6632890 OC Sure
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That the oligarchy is secured is the only reason they could "allow" the window to close on the Fed.

"Another opens," is not a breath of fresh air.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:50 | 6633072 espirit
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They still have lots of lower echelon to feed upon.

(this can go on for awhile)

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:02 | 6633111 OC Sure
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Yeah, I know. The great grandfather to USA's first official Tyrant may not even be born yet.

Or, the people could fix it per Article V's second convention of states?

http://www.conventionofstates.com/solution

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:38 | 6633507 logicalman
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The people could fix it with this election cycle, if nobody turned out to validate the crooked game.

I would not recommend holding your breath on that one, though.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:06 | 6632587 Winston Smith 2009
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"technological advances and productivity increases have fostered wage suppression"

I'd say that some additional factors, major ones, would be related the exportation of better paying manufacturing jobs to countries with wages lower than that required to feed and house slave labor in the U.S. along with the allowed illegal importation of labor from mostly southern climes, a topic to which only lip service is paid.

Thank goodness I'm no longer in the labor force.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:11 | 6632598 LeBalance
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Banzai!

The!

Nirp!

<3

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:15 | 6632614 PoasterToaster
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The Fed has always followed the neo Keynsian business cycle for its propaganda excuses, which generally means 6-8 year boom, 1-3 year bust.  It's hilarious that they act surprised that there is a cycle.  Did they really believe there was going to be a permaboom?

What not so funny is that most of the people have such a short memory, they don't even remember this propaganda point and are genuinely surprised that there could ever be another recession.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:07 | 6633105 itstippy
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You will never get a Nobel Prize in Economics with that mindset.

The first premise of Nobel Prize-winning economics is that Central Banks and/or Central Governments can control business cycles and, done properly, assure perpetually increasing prosperity for all in a constant and stable progression.

Start by reading Bernanke's "The Great Moderation" thesis. 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:41 | 6633511 logicalman
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The Fed's only purpose from its inception was plunder of the productive.

Interesting that income tax came into being at the same time as the Fed, don't you think?

Can't have the fed without it.

Wrap it up in fancy terms if you want to, but that's the truth of the matter

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:24 | 6632656 abyssinian
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The window of printing more money never close! so not sure why anything else matter? 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:25 | 6632658 Gatos Locos
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Awsome!  Prison time for the FED.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:31 | 6632698 JerrySpringer B...
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Dang if ya do dang if you don't..rinse and repeat

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:33 | 6632708 Charles Offdensen
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It's kinda hard to believe the window has closed when the fed built the house with windows that were never meant to open.

And calling yourself trapped is just as difficult to swallow when you do everything to set and release the trap.

Kinda like a gay man purposely getting caught so you can go to jail to get raped in the ass!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 17:39 | 6632717 gcjohns1971
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Q:  What is deflation, as meant by Central Bankers?

A:  It is the contraction of the money supply that occurs when people don't pay back their loans.  This is so because money for loans, to include loans to the government with which to create currency, come into existence at loan signing time, using depositor's deposits as collateral for the loan. This means that a loan recipient is being loaned nothing but an undisclosed claim on someone else's money. A depositor deposits $100, and up to $1,434 dollars can be loaned from this amount in the banking system using a 10% reserve requirement as the money changes hands. Please note that this means that only $100 of every $1,434 is real currency (a.k.a "Base Money"), and the rest is credit.   Inasmuch as Central Bankers are worried about this as a facet of monetary policy it is because when loans are not repaid the difference between the base money and the credit ($1,334 in this case) simple ceases to exist, and the money supply contracts by that amount. When the money supply contracts due to such monetary deflation, everything in denominated by the currency is eventually revalued lower by a percentage proportional amount. Shortly, deflation makes it increasingly likely that other loans will default because there is less money left in the economy with which to repay.

Q:  So...what do Central Bankers do when people have take out so many loans, even breaking the banks reserve ratios, that there literally isn't enough money in all the world to pay them back???

A:  They lower the interest rate to buy time (if people can't pay back the loans, then at least they can refinance the loans such that they can pay interest if not principal).  Then they go on a money-printing spree in the hopes that the money filters throughout the economy enough to ensure there is enough money circulating that loans CAN be repaid.  The main problem with this is that money can't be added to the system everywhere at once.  It has to be added at specific points.  People positioned at the points in the economy where Central Bankers introduce new base money get money for less real effort than everyone else.  They get the money before it bids up prices throughout the economy, and as such they always have an advantage over everyone else in their efforts to become wealthy.  The points where Central Banks typically inject currency are Government, and Primary Government Debt dealers (a.k.a 'Primary Dealers').  Secondary recipients will be all of those entities cronies.

Q:  Does this distort the economy?

A:  Yes.  since all the new money is going to a tiny fraction of a percent of the people in the economy, these people exercise an outsized influence on the economy.  Yet because they are a tiny fraction of a percent, their preferences, desires, the things they spend money on, shortly, very little resemble the things everyone else spends money on.  This leads to whole industries producing products and services EXCLUSIVELY catering to these dealers and their cronies.  All of those industries and all the jobs and money in them owe their existence to Central Bank Policy.  Essentially, they are what is mean by 'Malinvestment'.  People have invested a great deal in things that are not viable in and of themselves.

Q:  What happens when the distortions in the economy from Central Bank policies become so extreme that they wholly displace double-digit percentages of the real economy?

A:  Typically this leads to conscious abuse of the monetary transmission mechanisms:  Corruption, Cronyism, Fraud, etc.  The economics name for this is 'Moral Hazard' where official policy gives people POWERFUL FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO INTENTIONALLY DO THE WRONG THINGS.

Q:  What happens if monetary policy excesses and moral hazard become extreme, and are invested in coercing the rest of the population rather than invested or spent on goods and services?  And how do Central Bankers respond to this?

A:  Monetary and/or societal collapse.  War. No one knows precisely how central bankers will handle this as this is the next stage. In the past they have disavowed all responsibility, while placing themselves as far out of harms way, with as much stored wealth as possible at their disposal.  If prosecuted, suicide is a frequent response.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:06 | 6632868 seek
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'The collapse in commodity prices, interest rates and the surge in the dollar are all clear signs that money is seeking "safety" over "risk." '

Well, when CBs redefine low-risk return as zero or even negative rates, surprise, surprise people take their money to cash.

All of this lays at the feet of CBs mispricing risk returns to innapropriately low values. No one is going to put their money into at-risk investments for 2% returns.

There is a higher return buying amazon gift cards at a grocery store with a cash-back credit card than there is putting your money into a bank or money market fund. By orders of magnitude. Think about how fucked up that is for a while. CBs turned the entire planet into a third-world economy. But hey, they "saved" the banks. Good job, guys. Hope that explanation works at your show trials.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:11 | 6632887 matagorda
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and that's what mini-strokes are made of...

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:11 | 6632888 cougar_w
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They are about to NIRP so hard their eyes will bleed, but not because of any desire to levitate a dead global economy.

They will NIRP exactly because it is a backdoor into every savings account (and most other buckets of money) out there. They'll sit back and watch the money roll in. By the time any sufficiently scary number of people notice, the money will be gone. Without their money the scary people cannot even sue the banks to get their money back. A few local bank managers are hung in the street, the mob goes home to drink themselves blind, and another incredible episode in the ages of man comes to a bitter close.

Cue the historians. Start to forget.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:56 | 6633098 espirit
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We Nirp'ed Some Folks.

...and I sent an $69.95 USD RPG thru the window of the local bank.

Damn, did I just say that out loud on the InterWebz?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:43 | 6633519 logicalman
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You must be getting your RPGs on the cheap!

 

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 18:36 | 6633018 orangegeek
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No way.  NIRP will take us out a few more years  - NIRP will force savers to spend or put cash into bonds (NIRP) or markets (pushing negative GDP stock prices higher).

 

Isn't that right Mr Orwell?

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 19:39 | 6633260 Charles Offdensen
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Looks like archibald meat pants is going to have a fun night!

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:53 | 6633516 honestann
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The deflation/low-inflation premise is TOTAL nonsense!  Seriously!  Do authors observe actual prices?  Do authors simply accept the endless obviously bogus soundbites from governments, central banksters and mainstream media propagandists?

How about stock prices?

How about home prices?

How about rental prices?

How about food prices?

How about ALL prices that most people have to pay?

True, the prices of a FEW items fall or flat-line for short periods.  But overall, the rise in "cost of living" has clearly been rising at 5% to 12% per year for at least the past 15 years.

About the only outright deflation I see is... in the prices of precious metals, which are massively manipulated by governments, central banksters, and their agents.

Also, the past year or so, the collapse of EM currencies has artificially held down some prices measured in USD, but this is inherently temporary, and almost certain to reverse sometime in the next several months.

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Having said the above, what needs to be remembered is the following.  The greater the debt an entity must service, the less that entity has to make other purchases... unless the entity borrows even more every year, which simply makes both the level of debt and the drag of debt grow ever greater every year.

In a more normal economy this would usually cause prices to rise more slowly or even fall.  But in the current situation of extreme debt burden, most corporations cannot lower their prices, but may need to increase them in the face of a bad economy to compensate for the high and increasing debt service costs they face.

The modern economy:  SNAFU.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 20:48 | 6633541 Herdee
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NIRP or BUST,eom.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:23 | 6633670 Squids_In
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Ok - they should have raised two years ago. They didn't. They fucked-up. And speculation has run riot. But raising now would be another mistake. So, we have to play the easing course. The world needs more dollar liquidity as the world want's to carry dollar assets with Euro or Yen funding. So the Fed needs toput more assets on the balance sheet. But the question is what? My simpistic idea: beaten down commodities. Attack the beast of  deflation on two fronts. One - push cash dollars into the financial system. Two - bid up gold, oil, copper to relieve mark to market pressure on the loan books, avert bankruptices and refloat corporate borrowing. Brilliant.

Mon, 10/05/2015 - 21:23 | 6633671 Squids_In
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Ok - they should have raised two years ago. They didn't. They fucked-up. And speculation has run riot. But raising now would be another mistake. So, we have to play the easing course. The world needs more dollar liquidity as the world want's to carry dollar assets with Euro or Yen funding. So the Fed needs toput more assets on the balance sheet. But the question is what? My simpistic idea: beaten down commodities. Attack the beast of  deflation on two fronts. One - push cash dollars into the financial system. Two - bid up gold, oil, copper to relieve mark to market pressure on the loan books, avert bankruptices and refloat corporate borrowing. Brilliant.

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