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This Is How Close US And Russian Jets Are To A Dog Fight Above Syria
With Russia now effectively controlling the skies over Syria and with the US chiding Moscow for “targeting” America’s CIA-trained proxy armies, everyone is anxious to know how long it will be before NATO’s F-16s have an actual, live fire run-in with Russian Su-34s.
As we noted on Monday, the biggest threat here is the close proximity at which everyone is now operating: "What happens next? Well, with the previously discussed Russian naval blockade of Syria as a likely next step, and with both US and Russian warplanes already flying back and forth above Syria, and now both superpowers having a legitimate, if only in the eyes of their own media, justification to dispatch land troops, what was until now a mere proxy war is about to become full blown land combat on Syrian soil, one which will soon involve both Russian and US ground, sea and airborne forces."
How close to this eventuality are we, you ask? Well, to let CBS tell it, about 20 miles:
U.S. pilots flying F-16s out of Turkey first picked up the Russian planes on radar. The Russians closed to within 20 miles, at which point the American pilots could visually identify them on their targeting cameras.
Lt. Gen. Charles Brown, commander of the American air campaign, said the Russians have come even closer than that to his unmanned drones.
"The closest has been within a handful of miles of our remotely piloted aircraft," said Brown. "But to our manned aircraft they've not been closer than about 20 miles."
Brown said he intends to simply work around the Russians in Syria, and he doesn't think they will crowd out American operations.
"We're up a lot more often than [the Russians] are so when we do have to move around [them] for safe operation, it's for a small period of time compared to the hours and hours that we're airborne over Iraq and Syria," said Brown.
A radar map lays this out best: the yellow aircraft are Russian, the green are American.
Go ahead and start the countdown to an "accident", false-flagged or otherwise.
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Laugh my ass off!
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Why are we "addressing Spanish military leaders in Madrid" ?? Are they not busy squashing a soon civil war, again?
Why are we "addressing Spanish military leaders in Madrid" ?? Are they not busy squashing a soon civil war, again?
U.S. pilots would dominate Russian pilots, aircraft are better on the U.S. side as well. I would hate to see them get into a scuffle but if it happens Russian pilot will go kaput.
I would suggest you Google the USS Donald Cook before making that statement.
Especially our transgender pilots.
Caitlyn has been cleared, no charges in the Malibu traffic fatality. the judge asked her are you Bruce Jenner and she said no.
Sorry Mr. Weinberger, but it's time for your meds.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-burn-down-uss-donald-duck/
Would they?
I guess some pilots with experience against 3rd world air forces (or no A/F at all, remember the Iraqi turkey shoot?) and Hollywood always say it's so, it must be the case.
Easy and cheap to talk shit.
Yea... others have already said it, but, what the fuck are NATO jets doing in Syrian airspace?
Syria has only offically asked Russia and Iran to be there.
NATO is doing the warmongering. As usual.
agreed it does look fakeish like Asteroids in color
how do you get to the next level?
AmeriKa needs to run out of money quick, the faster they'll have to get the fuck out where they are not welcome.
Which is almost everywhere at this point
first they have to run out of paper and ink
the pink jet is the french one?
chartreuse is the French jet, the pink one is Hillary in Air Force One
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I wouldn't fuck with the Rafale. A fantasticly deadly aircraft flown by real pilots. But I guess cute jokes are in order since you can't buy ships from somebody that actually knows how to build them...
I heard it has the fastest reverse speed in history.
I heard their jets have baguette holders.
USA guilty of BOMBING a hospital, doctors and patients..... you dont see anything in the news, except some minor post.
Russians starting bombing ISIS and you hear nothing else about how "WRONG" that is.....
Even a short fly over on Turkish border gets way more attention...
Whats wrong in this world? You figure it out.
suppose a couple of these pilots want to go at, off the clock. would they let them? it would make a great reality show
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All we have to do is deploy F22s to Incirlik to do CAP over the Turkish border. Watch and see how quickly the Russians quit "unavigating" themselves and doing extended radar locks on other countries aircraft. Watch.
BTW Vlad, I thought you were coming to Syria to "destroy ISIS"? OK well then try actually dropping a few wee bombs on them -- and -- also what the fuck does violating another countries airspace and radar locking on their aircraft havew to with "crushing ISIS"? Oh, thats right, nothing. Lies being stacked like cord wood... Tsk tsk...
"No Maverick....No"
"Goose.....let's play some tag."
"Maverick....YOU MOTHERFUCKER................!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I just want to know when to tune-in to a TV to see emperor Palpatine declare a new galactic empire.... screw the rest of this dog & pony show. Screw the cheer-leading for banker games... gah...
All my life I've been a fairly patriotic guy, pro-America, flag sticker on the back window of my truck.
I enjoyed wearing a US flag t-shirt with "Just Try to Burn This One" written under the flag with my 2.5" bbl .357 SW underneath.
But this time I'm rootin fer Putin. Go Russia!! :)
I know the feeling. It's such a disconect between the advanced American people and this Nazi government that we can't seem to shake.
It might be time to take the second amendment rights to those voting machines.
Another complete cluster fuck from the country that brought you the Car Cane!
It's only a bad device because of the limit at 350lbs.
Like I asked before, what are the odds on who is going to do a shootdown first?
Ask yourself this...who has displayed a propensity for the stupidest, most transparently evil actions. There you will find an answer.
Are you sure those yellow jets are not Isrealis pretending to be Russian - and are in fact fleeing the scene of their crimes against defenceless Palastinians?
ISIS = Israel's Stooge In Syria
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ISIS = Putin and the FSB!
Don't believe that? Then why did he haul all that equipment to Syria to bomb everybody BUT ISIS?
A few months ago, I had a discussion with a friend where I pointed out that that chances for a serious military clash between the superpowers (USA vs. Russia, USA vs. China) were increasing. The issue is not what happens on the soil of the homeland of the superpowers. But INSTEAD - it's what goes down in the proxy wars in other places ... Crimea, Syria, the South China Sea. My friend didn't believe it - he thought this was all saber rattling.
I'm not so sure. The chances of direct fighting, in the air or by spec ops on the ground, appear to be dramatically increasing.
Just my $0.02.
I desperately hope the Russian and American ruling classes are not stupid enough to start World War III over a barren fucking wasteland. You can forgot worrying about QE, peak oil, climate change, or the return of Christ Jesus in glory, because a US-Russia war could end all the questions in a muchroom cloud.
The "wasteland" is just the last straw. Maybe both countries are just looking for a reason to start the doomsday devices. The people higher up the food chain have bunkers and islands for watching it all play out.
The USA must be in the air more often, they have to drop munitions and supplies to ISIS, and provide intelligence and close air support. The only time they get a break is when Israel steps in to give them a hand or evacuate wounded Islamists.
Obama bombs sand dunes. Putin hits what he aims for
Obama bombs sand dunes. Putin hits what he aims for
Yea true. Civilian buildings and civilian airliners...
What are you saying, Pussy Boy?
That Putin ordered MH17 shot down while he himself was also airborne in a passenger plane with similar markings a couple of hundred miles away?
It's none of my business but you are taking too many enemas every day and are flushing your brains down the toilet.
Good point. And the joke is on USA. I'm sure Russia is mapping every US flight and drop point in order to set their own targets.
Wow, on my screen they look to be within a half an inch of each other.
Man, I love the information on this site but some of you are so stupid. To many of you, it's always the jews. You f'ing morons.
Plus, if you believe the Russians want any part of a real war with the US you're also living in conspiracy dreamland.
1) US foreign policy in the middle east is bought by AIPAC and neocon donors. It couldn't get any more blatant. It's the single biggest factor in all of this and any analysis that ignores it is worthless.
Israel or at least some of its supportes want Assad taken out for the same reason they wanted Saddam taken out - because they believe he is a threat to them.
That is not a big deal in itself; they can be enemies with who they like - the big deal is they own the whores in Congress and that is pushing everyone into their war.
2) Obviously no one wants a war. The problem is the people driving US foreign policy are a) playing chicken and b) psychopaths and psychopaths take big risks.
I've been around for a good many years and I have seen firsthand how the US 'operates', which includes murdering millions of innocent people, lying, assassinating, funding right wing death squads, sucking countries into financial slavery traps, instigating coups, torturing, conducting extra-judicial executions. You are no angels. Neither were the Soviets or the Chinese under Mao. But at least they never pretended to be the 'good guys' as you did. You have this long history of bullshit when it comes to promoting the Dudley Do-Right type of Daniel Boone, rugged individualist who always does the right thing. That image was and is a fantasy. Ever since your people arrived at Plymouth Rock you have done nothing but war and murder all up and down the Continent(s) and beyond.
If you think the Russians are pushovers then you obviously have not studied WWII. They are a stout and hardy people who have prevailed time and again, under horrific conditions. If Americans had to endure what Russians have endured they would fold like a cheap suit. They are tough, smart, and just as patriotic as you are, if not more so. So when we say that ISIS is the creation of the US/Saudi Arabia/Turkey/Israel we are on pretty firm ground. The Vietnam War for instance was justified entirely on the belief that one of your ships had been attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin - never happened. The Invasion of Iraq occured based on the bullshit that they had WMD's - never found and probably never existed.
No, sorry, the US are not the good guys here. The only reason the US continues to have any influence at all in the world is because of the massive debts you owe to everybody. We want our money back but its unlikely we will ever see it. You will default. It is as inevitable as the sun rising tomorrow. Then you'll pull more stunts to cling to your privliges. You have become something worse than what you fought against in 1776. You have become death, as Oppenhiemer said.
I wouldn't disagree with much of what you said and I didn't say that anyone was the good guys. Still, this isn't the 1940s, and the military capabilities of these two countries are very different.
Not sure where you are from but my guess is that whatever country that is, its hands aren't so clean either.
Since Russia is the ONLY "foreign" country with the internationally legal right to be flying over Syrian skies, they are correct and it would be upheld in international court, if they or the Syrian Air Force shot down a military jet from any other country, such as the US or its allies.
Since Russia is the ONLY "foreign" country with the internationally legal right to be flying over Syrian skies, they are correct and it would be upheld in international court, if they or the Syrian Air Force shot down a military jet from any other country, such as the US or its allies.
You can say that again.
WooOOOoOooOOoOoo Rus!
I'm guessing that what happens next is the Russians inadvertently shoot down a passenger airline and blame the US for it!
A patrol of eight Turkish F-16 jets at the Syrian border was "interfered" with by a MIG-29 fighter jet of a not determined nationality and Syria-based missile systems on Monday, the Turkish military revealed Tuesday. The statement by the Chief of General Staff offered no further explanation of what was behind the incident. - RT.com
S-300 or 400? Does it realy matter?
1 MIG-29 V. 8 F-16. = fear. In not distant past they shot down anything what Syria flies. They were targeted by misile system = put down 1 29 and you get down 8 F-16. Math worx
C'mon tylers.. 300 replies for a 'sticky story' is plenty...no..actually too much.
Not just how fucked up it looks tryin to view 40 tbousand comments (all replies to the 1st comment to be higher up the chain ).... (not to mention it's the same 20 commenters..saying basically the same 5 comments each)..on a smartfone... but there must be a more up to the minute relevant story since 6 + hrs ago...?
People don't donate just so u can be lazy...just sayin is all.
Can't evenremember which article I commented on now..but I bet it's been here a while.
;)
I'm still wondering why all this broke loose immediately after Obama met with Putin.
Did Obama give Putin the Green light or did Putin just figure, what a putz, I'm going for it.
Should be interesting. Everyone flying back and forth, round and round, fingers on the triggers. Like a cool breeze over a bright red ember at the edge of a nice dry field.
All of the sudden.... Or not.
Or Putin told Obama what Russia was going to do and wouldn't take "no" for an answer.
if you think that Putin is the kind of a guy that waits for "green light" from a figurehead faggot idiot, think again.
Already been said but Isis were created and funded to attack Assad. The blowback into Iraq was unintentional and the US is fighting them there - ish - but they're only pretending to fight them in Syria (if not actively helping them via Turkey). Russia has showed the whole world the US were faking it and now Washington is whining.
This is a very dangerous time as the people controlling US foreign policy want to force Russia to stop supporting Assad - the same reason they mounted the coup in Ukraine - and as they are psychopaths and prepared to take extreme risks be on the lookout for a false flag attack where unidentified planes shoot down a Turkish or US fighter to try and trigger a NATO response.
World War Three is in the cards. The old Pole wants to leave a world war as his legacy.
"US foreign policy expert Zbigniew Brzezinski says the United States should retaliate if Russia does not stop bombing its assets in Syria.
Brzezinski, the national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, advised President Barack Obama to attempt to disarm the Russians if they keep attacking the CIA-trained militants in Syria.
"The Russian naval and air presences in Syria are vulnerable, isolated geographically from their homeland," Brzezinski wrote in an article published by the Financial Times on Sunday. "They could be 'disarmed' if they persist in provoking the US."
Poor old Zbig.
He forgot that Russia also has a nuclear arsenal and that if they were provoked by the US, they could retaliate.
All of the threats by the US's best apologists, are only to convince the Kremlin that the US in not afraid of a nuclear exchange. (No one believes it.)
Stinger: And if you screw up just this much, you’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!
Maverick: Yes sir!
It is Korean War again
I foresee NATO setting up a conflict incident with Russia to try to force Russia to stop it's aerial campaign in Syria ... NATO will gladly sacrifice a few jets and crews ahead of a waiting and ready media who will literally explode in an intensified propaganda drive .... they are desperate to save the billions they have invested in their anti-Assad terrorists.
Need to update the graphics it looks like a nintedo 64 game.
A monkey is riding at the back of all Americans.
Monkey, which threatens to CHANGE the whole world (actually topple)
and make the planet inhabitable with nuclear radiation