Saudi Clerics Call For Jihad Against Russia, Iran; NATO Warns Of Airspace "Violations"

Tyler Durden's picture

It’s now been nearly a week since Russia began its air campaign in Syria and as we’ve documented extensively, both Moscow and the West have put their respective propaganda machines into high gear in an effort to control the narrative and thus dictate how history will remember Syria’s four-year-old, bloody civil war. 

Lacking viable options in the face of Russia’s rapid military deployment at Latakia, the US has turned to the only thing left in the spin toolbox: the contention that Moscow’s airstrikes are hitting the “good” guys. Here’s WSJ:

Russia has targeted Syrian rebel groups backed by the Central Intelligence Agency in a string of airstrikes running for days, leading the U.S. to conclude that it is an intentional effort by Moscow, American officials said.

 

The assessment, which is shared by commanders on the ground, has deepened U.S. anger at Moscow and sparked a debate within the administration over how the U.S. can come to the aid of its proxy forces without getting sucked deeper into a proxy war that PresidentBarack Obama says he doesn’t want. The White House has so far been noncommittal about coming to the aid of CIA-backed rebels, wary of taking steps that could trigger a broader conflict.

 

U.S. officials said Russia’s targeting of its allies on the ground was a direct challenge to Mr. Obama’s Syria policy. Underlining the distrust, the Pentagon decided against sharing any information with Moscow about the areas where U.S. allies were located because it suspected Russia would use that information to target them more directly or provide the information to President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

 

American officials and the allied commanders said several other rebel groups covertly backed by the U.S. and its coalition allies have also been targeted by the Russians. They include the First Coastal Division, whose base in northern Latakia province near the Turkish border was struck twice on Oct. 2 starting at 9:45 p.m., according to the group’s commander, Capt. Muhammad Haj Ali.

 

The Obama administration briefly considered asking the Russians to avoid certain areas inside Syria held by moderate opposition rebels, officials said. But they set aside the idea when it became evident the Russians could use the information to more directly target America’s allies.

 

There have long been skeptics within the Obama administration and the Congress about the CIA’s arm-and-train program in Syria, reflecting doubts in both branches of government about the ability and the wisdom of trying to build an anti-Assad army from scratch.

 

“On day one, you can say it was a one-time mistake,” a senior U.S. official said of Russia’s strike on one of the allied rebel group’s headquarters. “But on day three and day four, there’s no question it’s intentional. They know what they’re hitting.”

Yes, they indeed do “know what they’re hitting.” They’re hitting any and all targets that are strategically significant for Assad’s enemies which means that, as we’ve said repeatedly of late, this is going to be over in a matter of months if not weeks unless the US decides it’s finally time to deploy the best recession cure of all: war. 

And as unlikely as you may think that is, the media seems to be preparing the American public for a possible direct confrontation with the Russians. As a reminder, Moscow's warplanes allegedly violated NATO member Turkey's airspace on Monday and thanks to Erdogan's need to secure Washington's acquiescence for Ankara's crackdown on the PKK, the US is flying sorties out of Incirlik which means, as we noted earlier today, "close calls" between US and Russian jets are likely to increase. Here’s CBS:

U.S. pilots flying F-16s out of Turkey first picked up the Russian planes on radar. The Russians closed to within 20 miles, at which point the American pilots could visually identify them on their targeting cameras.

 

Lt. Gen. Charles Brown, commander of the American air campaign, said the Russians have come even closer than that to his unmanned drones.

 

"The closest has been within a handful of miles of our remotely piloted aircraft," said Brown. "But to our manned aircraft they've not been closer than about 20 miles."

 


 

Brown said he intends to simply work around the Russians in Syria, and he doesn't think they will crowd out American operations.

 

"We're up a lot more often than [the Russians] are so when we do have to move around [them] for safe operation, it's for a small period of time compared to the hours and hours that we're airborne over Iraq and Syria," said Brown.

Indeed, NATO is apparently "not buying" Russia's "excuse" that it violated Turkey's airspace by accident. Here's Reuters:

NATO on Tuesday rejected Moscow's explanation that its warplanes violated the air space of alliance member Turkey at the weekend by mistake and said Russia was sending more ground troops to Syria.

 

With Russia extending its air strikes to include the ancient city of Palmyra, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he was losing patience with Russian violations of his country's air space.

 

"An attack on Turkey means an attack on NATO," Erdogan warned at a Brussels news conference.

 

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance had reports of a substantial Russian military build-up in Syria, including ground troops and ships in the eastern Mediterranean.

 

"I will not speculate on the motives ... but this does not look like an accident and we have seen two of them," Stoltenberg said of the air incursions over Turkey's border with Syria. He noted that they "lasted for a long time".

 

The incidents, which NATO has described as "extremely dangerous" and "unacceptable", underscore the risks of a further escalation of the Syrian civil war, as Russian and U.S. warplanes fly combat missions over the same country for the first time since World War Two.

Meanwhile, The Kremlin is being careful to preserve its image as the hero in all of this by formally rejecting calls for a no-fly zone, even as Russia's bombing raids have effectively served to keep everyone else out of the skies. Via Bloomberg:

Russia rebuffed calls for a no-fly zone over Syria as Saudi clerics and Islamist rebels urged for retaliation against its extended bombing campaign that has targeted Islamic State and other militant groups in the Arab country.

 

Officials from Moscow ruled out sending troops to take part in ground operations in Syria, a day after the head of the Russian parliament’s defense committee said volunteers could go to fight, including some who took part in the conflict in Ukraine. NATO meanwhile said Russian incursions into Turkish airspace in recent days looked deliberate.

 

A no-fly zone would breach Syrian sovereignty and “isn’t based on the UN Charter and international law,” Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov, who is Russia’s special presidential envoy to the Middle East, said in an interview published Tuesday by the Interfax news service. “Of course, we are against this. You need to respect the sovereignty of countries.”

 

Russia began its air campaign last week to bomb Islamic State and other jihadist groups in Syria, its first foray outside the former Soviet Union in more than three decades. Syria’s opposition groups, including Islamist rebels, and anti-Russia fighters with Islamic State have criticized the move, with many likening its intervention in Syria to the Soviet Union’s involvement in Afghanistan that began in 1979.

"Many" may ideed be likening it to the Soviet-Afghan war but one person who certainly is not is Moscow's spin lady extraordinaire Maria Zakharova:

  • RUSSIA WILL NEVER REPEAT AFGHAN EXPERIENCE IN SYRIA: ZAKHAROVA

So there you have it. But even if Russia doesn't intend to repeat the Afghan experience, and even if the notion being propogated in the Western media that Moscow's effort to eradicate Assad's opponents will somehow promote terrorism is largely a myth, it looks as though the Saudis are set to promote still more violence in Syria thus creating a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, and on that note, we close with this from Bloomberg:

More than 50 Saudi clerics called on Syrian rebels and Muslim countries on Monday to support a jihad against Syria’s government and its allies.

 

"This is a real war on Sunnis, their countries and their identities," said the statement. It urged the rebels to join a "jihad against the enemy of God and your enemy and Muslims will back you every way they can."


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Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) blabam Oct 6, 2015 10:28 AM

Yeah fOOOls......sign up for the pipeline Yee Haw Gee Hawd.

two hoots's picture

 

No doubt the US oil producers, who the Saudi’s are trying bankrupt, will hop right on this support?

 

Bumpo's picture

Maybe Uncle Sam didn't get the memo. Russia is DEFENDING Bashar Al Assad. If that means wiping out your hand trained terrorists, so be it.

knukles's picture

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

thebigunit's picture

No.

The enemy of my enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The enemy of my enemy is merely a false flag controlled by the CIA.

OrangeJews's picture
OrangeJews (not verified) thebigunit Oct 6, 2015 11:24 AM

So does this mean that they don't hate us anymore?

Alright guys!  Mission accomplished!

Money Counterfeiter's picture
Money Counterfeiter (not verified) OrangeJews Oct 6, 2015 11:30 AM

Some really stupid MF in Saudi land.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Screw the House of Saud and all the poison that flows out of there.

If it is still not clear that oil is a trap, well, now is the time eh?

Electrics, FTW!

Final trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPOkf_1J83A

El Vaquero's picture

Well, fuck.  If we're going to have a WWIII, can we start it soon?  I'm sick of waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Let's get this shit over with. 

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

"This is a real war on Sunnis, their countries and their identities," said the statement. It urged the rebels to join a "jihad against the enemy of God and your enemy and Muslims will back you every way they can.”

Boy that just kills the pentagram's narrative [since 2001] right there does it not? The pentagram just isn't able to cover for saud any longer. They're too damn blatant anymore. They might as well openly say... “We side with the jews over our own brothers” and get it over with.

Paveway IV's picture

"...So there you have it. But even if Russia doesn't intend to repeat the Afghan experience, and even if the notion being propogated in the Western media that Moscow's effort to eradicate Assad's opponents will somehow promote terrorism is largely a myth, it looks as though the Saudis are set to promote still more violence in Syria thus creating a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, and on that note, we close with this from Bloomberg:..."

The quote that follows isn't important - Bloomberg is a mouthpiece for the Likud and the quote is designed to manipulate opinion.

I may have been completely wrong about something though. I always thought Israel's end-game in Syria (just like in Ukraine) was to get the U.S. and Russia in a hot war. All the deceptions they've trotted out so far seemed to be towards that end. I'll leave it to everyone else to speculate why the Israelis are so eager to make this happen, but the 'how' part seems different this time. I always thought it would be a false-flag designed to infuriate the U.S. again along with plenty of Israeli-planted intel pointing to Syria to stir the pot. ISW's forecast seemed to telegraph another chemical weapons attack, but that seems pretty stale by now and would be a really hard sell - even to the mostly brain-dead U.S. population.

The latest "Bloomberg says" quotes brings to mind a completely different angle - a false-flag against Russia in order to piss them off enough to do something drastic. Mossad certainly has the capability with regard to it's large community of Russain-speaking immigrants and their ties back to Russia. Israeli false-flags are never an isolated event - they are always rife with plenty of carefully-crafted and 'planted' intel to support the authenticity of the false-flage and 'prove' the motivations of the assumed perpetrator. Someone posted a link here about how the Mossad used this technique to goad the U.S. into attacking Lybia.

Could Israel's real target for the next false-flag be the Russians rather than the U.S.? It feels like they're setting up one today - I just can't imagine what the end-game is. A U.S.-Russian war seems extreme, even considering Israel's ambitions. Iran is the usual end-game for Israel, but I can't imagine how a Russian false-flag would result in harm to Iran.

The Bloomberg quote seems to be designed to set up the Russians for a false-flag pointing at Saudi Arabia. Could Israel finally have decided to throw those fuckers under the bus for some reason? Provoking Russia to attack Saudi Arabia wouldn't necessarily bring out the U.S. if it was something like a response to a chemical weapons attack against Russain troops by (or presumably traceable to) Saudi Arabia. Or maybe Qatar? 

I know this sounds like over-the-top suspicion of Israel and it's motives, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

StychoKiller's picture

 

 

The History of warfare is similarly divided, although here the phases are Retribution, Anticipation, and Diplomacy, thus:

Retribution:  I'm going to kill you because you killed my brother.

Anticipation: I'm going to kill you because I killed your brother.

Diplomacy:  I'm going to kill my brother and then kill you on the pretext that your brother did it.

BarkingCat's picture

All those immigrants from Russia to Israel are getting a bit old. Also, it is a pretty good bet that the Russians know who they are. If they do a false flag against Russia and the Russians are not fooled by it, Israel might very well be history for another couple of thousand years.

Lost My Shorts's picture

Syria always struck me as an ideal dispose-all for young islamic hot-heads, which might explain why the war strangely keeps just going on indefinitely.  Lately, there was talk of Assad actually collapsing and surprise !! the Rooskies show up to save him.  I wonder if that was really in defiance of the Sunni princes of the Gulf, or all wink-wink.

If I were an old Wahabbi horn-dog, here is what I would do:  egg on all the young alienated men to go to Syria to fight for Islam and get minced by Russian bombs, while I stay behind and pick up a fifth and sixth wife from the girls left behind.  If I were a Saudi King worried about staying in power, here is what I would do:  export my alienated young male subjects to fight a foreign threat.  (Been doing that since Afghanistan in the 80s.)

The Middle East mess has about 18 additional layers hidden under the surface.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

Howz about anybody who is not an ally of Syria please get the hell out of their country!

nickels's picture

If wars targetted national leaders instead of grunts, pretty soon there wouldn't be any more assholes in national leadership. 

spellbound's picture

A few short decades ago the Americans wore white hats and the Ruskies wore black hats. Now the situation is reversed and tha Americans are wearing black hats. How easily the roles are reversed. And the world just watches SPELLBOUND.

 

Bumpo's picture

Russia is more like America was 50 years ago, and America is more like Russia was 50 years ago.

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Nenad (not verified) Bumpo Oct 6, 2015 10:58 AM
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BarkingCat's picture

In Russia 50 years ago a kid did not need a license to open up a lemonade stand, nor did a parent get arrested if his kid walk few hundred yards to the park alone.

BarkingCat's picture

In Russia 50 years ago a kid did not need a license to open up a lemonade stand, nor did a parent get arrested if his kid walk few hundred yards to the park alone.

sleigher's picture

Well to be fair, in Russia 50 years ago they didn't have any lemons either so...

vega113's picture

Are you crazy? You couldn't open a business in Soviet Union. And off course there were no lemons.

BarkingCat's picture

Open up a fucking map and find Odessa. It is in current day Ukraine.
50 years ago that was part of the Soviet Union.
The climate there supports citrus.

I will give you that there were no kids selling lemonade. That's an American tradition, but there were many private businesses even in the Soviet Union....and none of them had a business license and the government did not care, unless the owners were active in anti Soviet politics.

SofaPapa's picture

With a moderate knowledge of the Russian language, I have just spent some time watching the following presentation by Maria Zakharova on RT:

https://russian.rt.com/article/121646

If you don't speak Russian, you won't get much, but... what strikes me is the emotion.  I understand enough of what she's saying to follow the story.  And I believe her.  The Russians may be right and they may be wrong, but I believe that she is genuinely and personally frustrated with the bullshit coming out of Washington.  The gist of her talk (all I am qualified to offer) is that the Russians are trying to talk with us.  They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels.  But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception.

Now the U.S. would say the exact same thing about the Russians. That the Russians are simply running a propaganda campaign which runs counter to the facts.

But as I said above, what strikes me is the emotion.  I am human.  We all are.  We have (some more than others) an ability to intuitively read other people's body language, vocal tones, and facial expressions.  I think about the press conferences coming out of Washington, and without exception, they all appear to me to be tightly under control.  There is zero humanity in the people speaking.  They are quoting a story they have been told to say.  They look robotic, and when they are caught on BS, they look like they are lying.

This woman doesn't look like that.  I see a human being here deeply frustrated by the situation she is recounting.  She is actually engaged with what she is saying.  This is what I trust.  She believes what she is saying.  That is NOT true for the people I see speaking in Washington.  I will trust my judgment and ability to read people on this.

Now I know why I tend to trust the Russian side over the U.S. side, and it goes beyond the rational facts (which to me tell the same story).  When I hear the Russians speaking, I sense humanity.  Not so from the U.S./European/NATO side.

El Vaquero's picture

We're talking about war.  I'm sure that the Russians are using propaganda.  The problem for us is, they have a lot more truth to work with because we're the ones who instigated a lot of this shit in the first place.

SofaPapa's picture

Absolutely.  Actually, in an article a few days ago on here, there was a Russian propaganda piece mostly about Ukraine:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/mosaic-facts-media-weapons-mass...

But the strongest point made in that piece was quite simple: when people watch RT, they know they are watching the perspective of the Russian government.  The editor of RT said this explicitly.  The problem is that people still give the western media too much trust that they are not spouting direct US propaganda, when in fact that is exactly what they are doing.

Beyond that, as I said, this is a gut level reaction.  I see Zakharova, and I sense that she believes what she is saying.  Like I said, she may be wrong.  But it is she who is speaking.  If she is pulling this off as an actress, then my hat is off to her: she is playing the role of a lifetime.  Maybe that's true.  Maybe I'm just being sucked into her evil performance.  But I don't think so.  I sense a continuity between the story she is telling and her personal view of reality.  When I see the spokespeople for the west on the stage, I sense that they know they are lying.  That makes a huge difference in how the story is told.

I have nothing more than my gut to go on here.  I will trust it.

froze25's picture

"They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels.  But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception."

 

They haven't realized that they are dealing with Femma-nazis who don't give a shit about facts or logic.  Have you listened to the "Women" in our State department lately, they are bat-shit crazy.

froze25's picture

"They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels.  But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception."

 

They haven't realized that they are dealing with Femma-nazis who don't give a shit about facts or logic.  Have you listened to the "Women" in our State department lately, they are bat-shit crazy.

gezley's picture

This post deserves a whole lot more upvotes.  Power, Rice, Clinton (State Dept when all this crap started), Nuland -- all of them hysterical, neurotic harridans trying to suck the men into all-out war.

 

There really is nothing worse, nothing more ugly than an aggressive bitch in power. Pun intended.

Implied Violins's picture

Wanna hear wierd? I work for a county government. I am able to surf the net, looking at any alternative news website available. However: when I click on RT, IT WON'T LET ME GO THERE. I can, however, reach RT from home.

I guess RT has just a wee bit too much truth for our gubmint to approve of...hence, we have now become China. I expect to see those alt-news sites be blocked soon, too...like this one.

datura's picture

Russians convey more emotions, because they truly understand, what is happening. If you visit Russia, you would see that many of them are talking about NWO issues publicly. About the one world government, GMO food, fluoride in water, which impairs human reproduction (broadcasted on the government TV channel!), depopulation. Russians simply know much more about reality than most Americans and that is why they truly understand that this time it could be the end of everything.

Yet they also know that they will not (and cannot) surrender to NWO. As Putin once said: "Russia does not want such a world order. Russia cannot even EXIST in such a world order." And this is the point. Russia is a very specific, unique culture, which does not fit into NWO. If Western countries are ruled by NWO elites, they keep functioning for quite some time and the collapse is gradual, so most people do not even seem to notice. But Russia needs its own customized political system and culture, otherwise it collapses almost immediately. This is what happened to Russia in 1990s. Russia came close to being destroyed and it was Putin, who picked up the pieces and literally breathed a new life into Russia. For example, in 1990s before Putin, the death rates in Russia were so high that Russia was loosing 800,000 people per year!!!

So Russians do not want NWO, but they do not want any world war either, as they understand, how destructive that would be. Remember that they lost 28 million people in WWII! This is why Putin has tried to lay low for so long and did not prevent e.g. the Libya scenario and did not deliver S-300 to Iran. He desperately hoped that Russia would be left alone. In the video below, Putin explains about ISIS, but more importantly, he almost pleads with the US journalist to "at least deliver my message to your government." He very obviously does NOT want any war at all. And he even symbolically reminds Americans, how Russia supported the USA in their War of Independence (against the British Empire). 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

 

 

 

MEAN BUSINESS's picture

Many can't reconcile Putin's statement regarding "world order" and his desire for a meaningful UN system, especially in light of his statement on climate change last week in his address to the General Assembly. If you could view Syria as a microcosm, I think that is what a world without a UN would look like. Putin is rescuing the Syrian government and the United Nations. Both need a lot of work. Hopefully many here and elsewhere see where the damage has originated.

good comments datura

Sofapopa thanks for the link!

BarkingCat's picture

Russian culture is unique only in the fact that it is different from the most other cultures.
It is not unique in the sense that there are no other various cultures. The French culture is vastly different from the English culture which is vastly different from the Italian culture. In reality Europe has many culture that a very different from each other and these differences also extend to Asia, South America and the rest of the world.
These cultures are also being very purposely destroyed.
Ironically many people in those nations do not care and allow it to happen.
Russia has a leader that is not allowing that to happen to Russia. That is a big difference. While Merkel seems hell bent on erasing not only German culture but German ethnic identity, Putin wants none of it for Russia.
The additional irony is that Russia is already a multi ethnic society. There are minority ethnic groups within that country
They just don't want to be flooded by the rest of the world and do not want someone else telling them how to
behave.

unicorn's picture

@sofapapa

u write: "I tend to trust the Russian side over the U.S. side"

i suggest you do some history reading... ending up not trusting any of the "sides"  anymore though.

r0mulus's picture

Just had a funny thought: are the lows in oil prices creating incentive for Putin to intervene in the Middle East- to raise oil prices?

Blowback in so many ways lol...

silvermail's picture

The secretary put me through to the orderly officer who politely explained: “Well before the military operation in Syria began a crucial decision had been taken by the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision consists in our aspiration, traditional for Russia, to strictly observe the principles of legality and justice. Therefore, from now on all our ammunition is divided in two categories: ordinary and moderate. We use exclusively ordinary ammunition against ordinary terrorists, and against moderate terrorists we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take modesty of some terrorists into account and are dealing with them justly.”

Having heard these words, I felt considerably better. But I tried to clarify: “So, do you really use exclusively moderate ammunition against moderate terrorists, is it true?!”

My collocutor answered: “Word of an officer!”

I felt absolutely well. To bring the ultimate clarity, I asked: “Tell me, please, what’s the difference between your ordinary ammunition and the moderate one?”

“Our ordinary ammunition differs from moderate ammunition exactly as much as ordinary terrorists differ from moderate ones in Syria: it is carefully painted in colours of lighter, more moderate tints”, the officer answered and hung up.

http://voiceofarussian.blogspot.com.cy/

chubbar's picture

As I recall, the NDAA has language that calls for the US to detain for an indeterminate period of time and without charge, anyone suspected of assisting either monetarily or logistically, Al Queada or Al Nusra or  any other terrorist group. 

So, when can we expect to see the arrests of Congress and the president? How about the Pentagon? Any arrests being contemplated there? Our gov't is just ignoring both international law and laws that they passed themselves. Fucking insane bastards.

froze25's picture

Ehh, they are shooting from the hip these days.  Making it up as they go along.  Nothing to worry about /sarc.

pods's picture

Why is it whenever you hear about some muzzie killing someone it is always a Sunni, and usually a Saudi trained Wahabbi?

I wouldn't lose sleep if a Russian MOAB turned a mosque full of them bastards to charcoal.

pods

CheapBastard's picture

The Uighur mass killers in China are all sunni also. That's an odd coincidence, eh.

847328_3527's picture

Another reason why China will be drawn into this NATO/USA conflict.

 

The MIC is in heat.

Fahque Imuhnutjahb's picture
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums

https://youtu.be/kPgOnIDjuTc?t=2m21s