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Saudi Clerics Call For Jihad Against Russia, Iran; NATO Warns Of Airspace "Violations"
It’s now been nearly a week since Russia began its air campaign in Syria and as we’ve documented extensively, both Moscow and the West have put their respective propaganda machines into high gear in an effort to control the narrative and thus dictate how history will remember Syria’s four-year-old, bloody civil war.
Lacking viable options in the face of Russia’s rapid military deployment at Latakia, the US has turned to the only thing left in the spin toolbox: the contention that Moscow’s airstrikes are hitting the “good” guys. Here’s WSJ:
Russia has targeted Syrian rebel groups backed by the Central Intelligence Agency in a string of airstrikes running for days, leading the U.S. to conclude that it is an intentional effort by Moscow, American officials said.
The assessment, which is shared by commanders on the ground, has deepened U.S. anger at Moscow and sparked a debate within the administration over how the U.S. can come to the aid of its proxy forces without getting sucked deeper into a proxy war that PresidentBarack Obama says he doesn’t want. The White House has so far been noncommittal about coming to the aid of CIA-backed rebels, wary of taking steps that could trigger a broader conflict.
U.S. officials said Russia’s targeting of its allies on the ground was a direct challenge to Mr. Obama’s Syria policy. Underlining the distrust, the Pentagon decided against sharing any information with Moscow about the areas where U.S. allies were located because it suspected Russia would use that information to target them more directly or provide the information to President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.
American officials and the allied commanders said several other rebel groups covertly backed by the U.S. and its coalition allies have also been targeted by the Russians. They include the First Coastal Division, whose base in northern Latakia province near the Turkish border was struck twice on Oct. 2 starting at 9:45 p.m., according to the group’s commander, Capt. Muhammad Haj Ali.
The Obama administration briefly considered asking the Russians to avoid certain areas inside Syria held by moderate opposition rebels, officials said. But they set aside the idea when it became evident the Russians could use the information to more directly target America’s allies.
There have long been skeptics within the Obama administration and the Congress about the CIA’s arm-and-train program in Syria, reflecting doubts in both branches of government about the ability and the wisdom of trying to build an anti-Assad army from scratch.
“On day one, you can say it was a one-time mistake,” a senior U.S. official said of Russia’s strike on one of the allied rebel group’s headquarters. “But on day three and day four, there’s no question it’s intentional. They know what they’re hitting.”
Yes, they indeed do “know what they’re hitting.” They’re hitting any and all targets that are strategically significant for Assad’s enemies which means that, as we’ve said repeatedly of late, this is going to be over in a matter of months if not weeks unless the US decides it’s finally time to deploy the best recession cure of all: war.
And as unlikely as you may think that is, the media seems to be preparing the American public for a possible direct confrontation with the Russians. As a reminder, Moscow's warplanes allegedly violated NATO member Turkey's airspace on Monday and thanks to Erdogan's need to secure Washington's acquiescence for Ankara's crackdown on the PKK, the US is flying sorties out of Incirlik which means, as we noted earlier today, "close calls" between US and Russian jets are likely to increase. Here’s CBS:
U.S. pilots flying F-16s out of Turkey first picked up the Russian planes on radar. The Russians closed to within 20 miles, at which point the American pilots could visually identify them on their targeting cameras.
Lt. Gen. Charles Brown, commander of the American air campaign, said the Russians have come even closer than that to his unmanned drones.
"The closest has been within a handful of miles of our remotely piloted aircraft," said Brown. "But to our manned aircraft they've not been closer than about 20 miles."
Brown said he intends to simply work around the Russians in Syria, and he doesn't think they will crowd out American operations.
"We're up a lot more often than [the Russians] are so when we do have to move around [them] for safe operation, it's for a small period of time compared to the hours and hours that we're airborne over Iraq and Syria," said Brown.
Indeed, NATO is apparently "not buying" Russia's "excuse" that it violated Turkey's airspace by accident. Here's Reuters:
NATO on Tuesday rejected Moscow's explanation that its warplanes violated the air space of alliance member Turkey at the weekend by mistake and said Russia was sending more ground troops to Syria.
With Russia extending its air strikes to include the ancient city of Palmyra, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he was losing patience with Russian violations of his country's air space.
"An attack on Turkey means an attack on NATO," Erdogan warned at a Brussels news conference.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance had reports of a substantial Russian military build-up in Syria, including ground troops and ships in the eastern Mediterranean.
"I will not speculate on the motives ... but this does not look like an accident and we have seen two of them," Stoltenberg said of the air incursions over Turkey's border with Syria. He noted that they "lasted for a long time".
The incidents, which NATO has described as "extremely dangerous" and "unacceptable", underscore the risks of a further escalation of the Syrian civil war, as Russian and U.S. warplanes fly combat missions over the same country for the first time since World War Two.
Meanwhile, The Kremlin is being careful to preserve its image as the hero in all of this by formally rejecting calls for a no-fly zone, even as Russia's bombing raids have effectively served to keep everyone else out of the skies. Via Bloomberg:
Russia rebuffed calls for a no-fly zone over Syria as Saudi clerics and Islamist rebels urged for retaliation against its extended bombing campaign that has targeted Islamic State and other militant groups in the Arab country.
Officials from Moscow ruled out sending troops to take part in ground operations in Syria, a day after the head of the Russian parliament’s defense committee said volunteers could go to fight, including some who took part in the conflict in Ukraine. NATO meanwhile said Russian incursions into Turkish airspace in recent days looked deliberate.
A no-fly zone would breach Syrian sovereignty and “isn’t based on the UN Charter and international law,” Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov, who is Russia’s special presidential envoy to the Middle East, said in an interview published Tuesday by the Interfax news service. “Of course, we are against this. You need to respect the sovereignty of countries.”
Russia began its air campaign last week to bomb Islamic State and other jihadist groups in Syria, its first foray outside the former Soviet Union in more than three decades. Syria’s opposition groups, including Islamist rebels, and anti-Russia fighters with Islamic State have criticized the move, with many likening its intervention in Syria to the Soviet Union’s involvement in Afghanistan that began in 1979.
"Many" may ideed be likening it to the Soviet-Afghan war but one person who certainly is not is Moscow's spin lady extraordinaire Maria Zakharova:
- RUSSIA WILL NEVER REPEAT AFGHAN EXPERIENCE IN SYRIA: ZAKHAROVA
So there you have it. But even if Russia doesn't intend to repeat the Afghan experience, and even if the notion being propogated in the Western media that Moscow's effort to eradicate Assad's opponents will somehow promote terrorism is largely a myth, it looks as though the Saudis are set to promote still more violence in Syria thus creating a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, and on that note, we close with this from Bloomberg:
More than 50 Saudi clerics called on Syrian rebels and Muslim countries on Monday to support a jihad against Syria’s government and its allies.
"This is a real war on Sunnis, their countries and their identities," said the statement. It urged the rebels to join a "jihad against the enemy of God and your enemy and Muslims will back you every way they can."
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Sigh.
Yeah fOOOls......sign up for the pipeline Yee Haw Gee Hawd.
No doubt the US oil producers, who the Saudi’s are trying bankrupt, will hop right on this support?
Maybe Uncle Sam didn't get the memo. Russia is DEFENDING Bashar Al Assad. If that means wiping out your hand trained terrorists, so be it.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
No.
The enemy of my enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The enemy of my enemy is merely a false flag controlled by the CIA.
So does this mean that they don't hate us anymore?
Alright guys! Mission accomplished!
Some really stupid MF in Saudi land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNr-BQgpd0
Screw the House of Saud and all the poison that flows out of there.
If it is still not clear that oil is a trap, well, now is the time eh?
Electrics, FTW!
Final trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPOkf_1J83A
Well, fuck. If we're going to have a WWIII, can we start it soon? I'm sick of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Let's get this shit over with.
"This is a real war on Sunnis, their countries and their identities," said the statement. It urged the rebels to join a "jihad against the enemy of God and your enemy and Muslims will back you every way they can.”
Boy that just kills the pentagram's narrative [since 2001] right there does it not? The pentagram just isn't able to cover for saud any longer. They're too damn blatant anymore. They might as well openly say... “We side with the jews over our own brothers” and get it over with.
"...So there you have it. But even if Russia doesn't intend to repeat the Afghan experience, and even if the notion being propogated in the Western media that Moscow's effort to eradicate Assad's opponents will somehow promote terrorism is largely a myth, it looks as though the Saudis are set to promote still more violence in Syria thus creating a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, and on that note, we close with this from Bloomberg:..."
The quote that follows isn't important - Bloomberg is a mouthpiece for the Likud and the quote is designed to manipulate opinion.
I may have been completely wrong about something though. I always thought Israel's end-game in Syria (just like in Ukraine) was to get the U.S. and Russia in a hot war. All the deceptions they've trotted out so far seemed to be towards that end. I'll leave it to everyone else to speculate why the Israelis are so eager to make this happen, but the 'how' part seems different this time. I always thought it would be a false-flag designed to infuriate the U.S. again along with plenty of Israeli-planted intel pointing to Syria to stir the pot. ISW's forecast seemed to telegraph another chemical weapons attack, but that seems pretty stale by now and would be a really hard sell - even to the mostly brain-dead U.S. population.
The latest "Bloomberg says" quotes brings to mind a completely different angle - a false-flag against Russia in order to piss them off enough to do something drastic. Mossad certainly has the capability with regard to it's large community of Russain-speaking immigrants and their ties back to Russia. Israeli false-flags are never an isolated event - they are always rife with plenty of carefully-crafted and 'planted' intel to support the authenticity of the false-flage and 'prove' the motivations of the assumed perpetrator. Someone posted a link here about how the Mossad used this technique to goad the U.S. into attacking Lybia.
Could Israel's real target for the next false-flag be the Russians rather than the U.S.? It feels like they're setting up one today - I just can't imagine what the end-game is. A U.S.-Russian war seems extreme, even considering Israel's ambitions. Iran is the usual end-game for Israel, but I can't imagine how a Russian false-flag would result in harm to Iran.
The Bloomberg quote seems to be designed to set up the Russians for a false-flag pointing at Saudi Arabia. Could Israel finally have decided to throw those fuckers under the bus for some reason? Provoking Russia to attack Saudi Arabia wouldn't necessarily bring out the U.S. if it was something like a response to a chemical weapons attack against Russain troops by (or presumably traceable to) Saudi Arabia. Or maybe Qatar?
I know this sounds like over-the-top suspicion of Israel and it's motives, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
The History of warfare is similarly divided, although here the phases are Retribution, Anticipation, and Diplomacy, thus:
Retribution: I'm going to kill you because you killed my brother.
Anticipation: I'm going to kill you because I killed your brother.
Diplomacy: I'm going to kill my brother and then kill you on the pretext that your brother did it.
All those immigrants from Russia to Israel are getting a bit old. Also, it is a pretty good bet that the Russians know who they are. If they do a false flag against Russia and the Russians are not fooled by it, Israel might very well be history for another couple of thousand years.
Syria always struck me as an ideal dispose-all for young islamic hot-heads, which might explain why the war strangely keeps just going on indefinitely. Lately, there was talk of Assad actually collapsing and surprise !! the Rooskies show up to save him. I wonder if that was really in defiance of the Sunni princes of the Gulf, or all wink-wink.
If I were an old Wahabbi horn-dog, here is what I would do: egg on all the young alienated men to go to Syria to fight for Islam and get minced by Russian bombs, while I stay behind and pick up a fifth and sixth wife from the girls left behind. If I were a Saudi King worried about staying in power, here is what I would do: export my alienated young male subjects to fight a foreign threat. (Been doing that since Afghanistan in the 80s.)
The Middle East mess has about 18 additional layers hidden under the surface.
Mr. Putin will call their bluff.
Howz about anybody who is not an ally of Syria please get the hell out of their country!
If wars targetted national leaders instead of grunts, pretty soon there wouldn't be any more assholes in national leadership.
A few short decades ago the Americans wore white hats and the Ruskies wore black hats. Now the situation is reversed and tha Americans are wearing black hats. How easily the roles are reversed. And the world just watches SPELLBOUND.
Russia is more like America was 50 years ago, and America is more like Russia was 50 years ago.
In Russia 50 years ago a kid did not need a license to open up a lemonade stand, nor did a parent get arrested if his kid walk few hundred yards to the park alone.
In Russia 50 years ago a kid did not need a license to open up a lemonade stand, nor did a parent get arrested if his kid walk few hundred yards to the park alone.
Well to be fair, in Russia 50 years ago they didn't have any lemons either so...
Are you crazy? You couldn't open a business in Soviet Union. And off course there were no lemons.
Open up a fucking map and find Odessa. It is in current day Ukraine.
50 years ago that was part of the Soviet Union.
The climate there supports citrus.
I will give you that there were no kids selling lemonade. That's an American tradition, but there were many private businesses even in the Soviet Union....and none of them had a business license and the government did not care, unless the owners were active in anti Soviet politics.
With a moderate knowledge of the Russian language, I have just spent some time watching the following presentation by Maria Zakharova on RT:
https://russian.rt.com/article/121646
If you don't speak Russian, you won't get much, but... what strikes me is the emotion. I understand enough of what she's saying to follow the story. And I believe her. The Russians may be right and they may be wrong, but I believe that she is genuinely and personally frustrated with the bullshit coming out of Washington. The gist of her talk (all I am qualified to offer) is that the Russians are trying to talk with us. They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels. But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception.
Now the U.S. would say the exact same thing about the Russians. That the Russians are simply running a propaganda campaign which runs counter to the facts.
But as I said above, what strikes me is the emotion. I am human. We all are. We have (some more than others) an ability to intuitively read other people's body language, vocal tones, and facial expressions. I think about the press conferences coming out of Washington, and without exception, they all appear to me to be tightly under control. There is zero humanity in the people speaking. They are quoting a story they have been told to say. They look robotic, and when they are caught on BS, they look like they are lying.
This woman doesn't look like that. I see a human being here deeply frustrated by the situation she is recounting. She is actually engaged with what she is saying. This is what I trust. She believes what she is saying. That is NOT true for the people I see speaking in Washington. I will trust my judgment and ability to read people on this.
Now I know why I tend to trust the Russian side over the U.S. side, and it goes beyond the rational facts (which to me tell the same story). When I hear the Russians speaking, I sense humanity. Not so from the U.S./European/NATO side.
We're talking about war. I'm sure that the Russians are using propaganda. The problem for us is, they have a lot more truth to work with because we're the ones who instigated a lot of this shit in the first place.
Absolutely. Actually, in an article a few days ago on here, there was a Russian propaganda piece mostly about Ukraine:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/mosaic-facts-media-weapons-mass...
But the strongest point made in that piece was quite simple: when people watch RT, they know they are watching the perspective of the Russian government. The editor of RT said this explicitly. The problem is that people still give the western media too much trust that they are not spouting direct US propaganda, when in fact that is exactly what they are doing.
Beyond that, as I said, this is a gut level reaction. I see Zakharova, and I sense that she believes what she is saying. Like I said, she may be wrong. But it is she who is speaking. If she is pulling this off as an actress, then my hat is off to her: she is playing the role of a lifetime. Maybe that's true. Maybe I'm just being sucked into her evil performance. But I don't think so. I sense a continuity between the story she is telling and her personal view of reality. When I see the spokespeople for the west on the stage, I sense that they know they are lying. That makes a huge difference in how the story is told.
I have nothing more than my gut to go on here. I will trust it.
"They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels. But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception."
They haven't realized that they are dealing with Femma-nazis who don't give a shit about facts or logic. Have you listened to the "Women" in our State department lately, they are bat-shit crazy.
"They are trying to open a dialog, diplomatically and through military channels. But they are going crazy because the U.S. and the west are so obsessed with controlling the perception of events that they completely ignore facts on the ground and in fact contradict them to maintain their precious perception."
They haven't realized that they are dealing with Femma-nazis who don't give a shit about facts or logic. Have you listened to the "Women" in our State department lately, they are bat-shit crazy.
This post deserves a whole lot more upvotes. Power, Rice, Clinton (State Dept when all this crap started), Nuland -- all of them hysterical, neurotic harridans trying to suck the men into all-out war.
There really is nothing worse, nothing more ugly than an aggressive bitch in power. Pun intended.
Wanna hear wierd? I work for a county government. I am able to surf the net, looking at any alternative news website available. However: when I click on RT, IT WON'T LET ME GO THERE. I can, however, reach RT from home.
I guess RT has just a wee bit too much truth for our gubmint to approve of...hence, we have now become China. I expect to see those alt-news sites be blocked soon, too...like this one.
Russians convey more emotions, because they truly understand, what is happening. If you visit Russia, you would see that many of them are talking about NWO issues publicly. About the one world government, GMO food, fluoride in water, which impairs human reproduction (broadcasted on the government TV channel!), depopulation. Russians simply know much more about reality than most Americans and that is why they truly understand that this time it could be the end of everything.
Yet they also know that they will not (and cannot) surrender to NWO. As Putin once said: "Russia does not want such a world order. Russia cannot even EXIST in such a world order." And this is the point. Russia is a very specific, unique culture, which does not fit into NWO. If Western countries are ruled by NWO elites, they keep functioning for quite some time and the collapse is gradual, so most people do not even seem to notice. But Russia needs its own customized political system and culture, otherwise it collapses almost immediately. This is what happened to Russia in 1990s. Russia came close to being destroyed and it was Putin, who picked up the pieces and literally breathed a new life into Russia. For example, in 1990s before Putin, the death rates in Russia were so high that Russia was loosing 800,000 people per year!!!
So Russians do not want NWO, but they do not want any world war either, as they understand, how destructive that would be. Remember that they lost 28 million people in WWII! This is why Putin has tried to lay low for so long and did not prevent e.g. the Libya scenario and did not deliver S-300 to Iran. He desperately hoped that Russia would be left alone. In the video below, Putin explains about ISIS, but more importantly, he almost pleads with the US journalist to "at least deliver my message to your government." He very obviously does NOT want any war at all. And he even symbolically reminds Americans, how Russia supported the USA in their War of Independence (against the British Empire).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww
Many can't reconcile Putin's statement regarding "world order" and his desire for a meaningful UN system, especially in light of his statement on climate change last week in his address to the General Assembly. If you could view Syria as a microcosm, I think that is what a world without a UN would look like. Putin is rescuing the Syrian government and the United Nations. Both need a lot of work. Hopefully many here and elsewhere see where the damage has originated.
good comments datura
Sofapopa thanks for the link!
Russian culture is unique only in the fact that it is different from the most other cultures.
It is not unique in the sense that there are no other various cultures. The French culture is vastly different from the English culture which is vastly different from the Italian culture. In reality Europe has many culture that a very different from each other and these differences also extend to Asia, South America and the rest of the world.
These cultures are also being very purposely destroyed.
Ironically many people in those nations do not care and allow it to happen.
Russia has a leader that is not allowing that to happen to Russia. That is a big difference. While Merkel seems hell bent on erasing not only German culture but German ethnic identity, Putin wants none of it for Russia.
The additional irony is that Russia is already a multi ethnic society. There are minority ethnic groups within that country
They just don't want to be flooded by the rest of the world and do not want someone else telling them how to
behave.
@sofapapa
u write: "I tend to trust the Russian side over the U.S. side"
i suggest you do some history reading... ending up not trusting any of the "sides" anymore though.
Here is the translation: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151006/1028090358/russia-airstrikes-...
Just had a funny thought: are the lows in oil prices creating incentive for Putin to intervene in the Middle East- to raise oil prices?
Blowback in so many ways lol...
… The secretary put me through to the orderly officer who politely explained: “Well before the military operation in Syria began a crucial decision had been taken by the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry. The essence of this decision consists in our aspiration, traditional for Russia, to strictly observe the principles of legality and justice. Therefore, from now on all our ammunition is divided in two categories: ordinary and moderate. We use exclusively ordinary ammunition against ordinary terrorists, and against moderate terrorists we use exclusively moderate ammunition. So don’t worry, we take modesty of some terrorists into account and are dealing with them justly.”
Having heard these words, I felt considerably better. But I tried to clarify: “So, do you really use exclusively moderate ammunition against moderate terrorists, is it true?!”
My collocutor answered: “Word of an officer!”
I felt absolutely well. To bring the ultimate clarity, I asked: “Tell me, please, what’s the difference between your ordinary ammunition and the moderate one?”
“Our ordinary ammunition differs from moderate ammunition exactly as much as ordinary terrorists differ from moderate ones in Syria: it is carefully painted in colours of lighter, more moderate tints”, the officer answered and hung up.
http://voiceofarussian.blogspot.com.cy/
Priceless!
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/10/stand.html
As I recall, the NDAA has language that calls for the US to detain for an indeterminate period of time and without charge, anyone suspected of assisting either monetarily or logistically, Al Queada or Al Nusra or any other terrorist group.
So, when can we expect to see the arrests of Congress and the president? How about the Pentagon? Any arrests being contemplated there? Our gov't is just ignoring both international law and laws that they passed themselves. Fucking insane bastards.
Ehh, they are shooting from the hip these days. Making it up as they go along. Nothing to worry about /sarc.
Why is it whenever you hear about some muzzie killing someone it is always a Sunni, and usually a Saudi trained Wahabbi?
I wouldn't lose sleep if a Russian MOAB turned a mosque full of them bastards to charcoal.
pods
The Uighur mass killers in China are all sunni also. That's an odd coincidence, eh.
Another reason why China will be drawn into this NATO/USA conflict.
The MIC is in heat.
https://youtu.be/kPgOnIDjuTc?t=2m21s
its funny, too. When I was in a couple middle eastern countries that were sunni dominated, a couple that i talked to would swear that shia are maniacs and give islam a bad name. this was long before "ISIS" but not before al-queda, but i didnt say anything
Join the righteous Sunni jihad! Kill all Shia! Overthrow the butcher Assad! Long live Saudi Arabia, the only true Muslim nation!
/sarc
/double vomit sarc
If people pay close attention, *ALL* religions seem to be being vilified these days. Islam, Christianity, Jewish, Catholic...seems like some kind of underlying pattern there to me.
Humanism™...the one true religion of man -TPTB
Socialist all-encompassing government is the religion of the progressives.
same thing
Any religion that seeks to impose its values and beliefs on others deserves to be vilified, especially if it usurps the political process to do so.
What God is trusted on the one dollar bill?
Hint... Same God all important economic and military power brokers believe in.
It's all a dance. And the slave class gets slaughtered.
Btw I think the Rothschild are part of the slave class.
War is God
War isn't God. Death is the one true God.
The answer is simple.Vast majority of sunnis were moderates with turco-persian-central asian theology.Then came KSA and the little shitholes around the gulf and their multi-multi billion dollar propaganda i.e wahabi/Salafi.Who pays most of the sunni clergy? who builts most of the madrasas?Whahabism is a mad dog virus which has to be annihilated.You can thank Brittania for promoting wahabis.KSA used to be ruled by Hashemites before the house of saud was installed.Also thank sir Philby and T. E. lawrence( fag),BTW.
Things not going well for the Saudis and UAE in Yemen.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dc_1444137033
Those Stryker style MRAPs the Saudis have are real shit.
Saudi weapons captured by Houthis.
Those look like G3 rifles at .32 seconds.
Wahhabiism is the virus that keeps on giving, know the sister virus of Salafism as well.
Don't leave out Obamisim - the deadly, narcissistic, clownish, self-centered, virus that destroys nations in a few short years as it blames somebody else.
Another sheep not to take seriously.
Yeah, this country was once great, and you feel the urge to "take it back".
Tell me - when was that? When we were exterminating people who had lived here for centruries prior to our arrival - all in the name of God and manifest destiny? Was it when we decided to kill as many people of different colors around the world as we possibly could?
Was it when we accepted fascism as our national pastime in the 1950s?
Useless idiot.
Very cute little response, sweetie!
That you don't understand the difference between an all out Marxist and those who are not that far bent is telling. Talk about sheep to not take seriously...
And, BTW - based on your silly little rant, give any property that you own (assuming that you have been able to hold a job long enough to purchase), and any ill-gotten income that you earned while on stolen lands, back to the rightful owners - the Native Americans - and get the f*ck out. You are in a land illegally taken by military force. Move to a place that has never had a war. Antarctica? Frick'n moron.
Aw, take it easy on em.
While they walk on the Indian graves, they like to remind other people that THEY'RE walking on Indian graves. I have no reason why they think that they're somehow morally superior for pointing that out, but they do, so bless their little deluded hearts.
It's certainly not their logic that is on display, but it's really not about thinking, is it? Religious zealotry isn't confined to extemporalists who enjoy moral one-upmanship.
This calls for some theme music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPsk1BsUCgw
"What is left of your dream? Just the words on your stone: A man who learned how to teach then forgot how to learn"
Queen / A Day At The Races / White Man - 1976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qK3UTfcm_4
Precisely
By the down votes it is clear to me the prerequisites are too great for some to ever move through.
The point... America has spent 20 percent of its history at peace.
War is God
Well the Russians are not like that. They are peaceful. Totally. As are so many nations.
Just ask yourself. Why was Russian Peter the Great so great? He was a peace loving King that is why.
/sarc
The only way to solve the war problem is one world government. The NWO.
I'll take war - thank you very much.
Obama is a dirty Communist plot. Nikita Krushev gave away the plan a the UN in one of his speeches:
"We will BARRY you!"
Iran needs to park themselves right on the doorstep of israel and Saudi Arabia.
But how can that be? The US State Department says *Iran* is the biggest sponsor of Terrerism in the Whole World, a fact emphatically confirmed by leader of Zion Benjahmin Netanyahoo...
Well Iran is filling that scary looking bomb with red paint. Bibi showed me.
pods
Israel wants ISIS to control Syria.
Having ISIS control Syria would provide a ready-made demagogic excuse for Israel
to 'retaliate' and seize additional Syrian territory.
An excuse for Israeli expansionism which the Assad regime did not ever provide.
The Shia are no better Pods. It's all variants of crazy. But what do you expect from a religion that refuses to acknowledge that it isn't the 10th Century anymore?
Not trying to give them a pass, but man if it isn't always some nutter out of SA that is causing havoc.
At least they aren't attacking our friends in Israel?
Funny for crazy nutters they don't seem to notice infidels right in their backyard.
pods
Actually, Islam of the 10th Century was light years ahead of the fundamentalist variants we see today. Centered in Baghdad, it syncreted Western and Eastern knowledge into a Renaissance in science, mathematics, architecture and literature.
Every dog gets his days in the sun.
Dupe
Worth mentioning that, as often as not, when you hear about muzzies killing people it's a false flag. It wasn't sunnis pulled off 9/11, it was jews.
Just sayin'....
Why does the CIA always get a pass?
Actually, I'd be very concerned. I'm reading Toms River and have learned that such cooking of organic material produces a wide range of carcinogens and other hazardous waste.
Please, please, Saudi Arabia, attack Russia!!
Go ahead, make my day
It's always about oil. Always has been, always will be. Please drop a big ass nuke on Ghawar oil fields and put all these fuckers out of our misery. One last request... Wait until John McCain is one the ground shaking some hands, stirring up some global shit.
Three months ago this was 'the stupidest post' on ZH...is this making a bit more sense now? Info for consideration...
www.cainite.net
I)Years Leading Up to the Battle of Gog and Magog (Russia/Iran vs. Israel)
a. Russia Increasingly Sets Itself Against the West; Returns to Soviet Mentality
b. Israel Attacks Iran's Energy Facilities Destroying Nuclear Bomb Capability
c. Iran/Russia and the Radical Islamic World Infuriated, They Mobilize for War
d. Russia, Iran, Turkey, Libya, Sudan, and Terror Groups Defeated by God
e. After, Radical Islam is Rejected Forever for the Religion of Murder it was
II) Israel Changes Dramatically After Witnessing God Defeating Their Enemies
a. Witnessing Miracle of Israel's Survival, Islam Wanes into Obscurity
b. There is Formed a Seven Year Peace Treaty Between Israel and Arabs
c. A Great Ingathering: Jews Arrive in Israel From Every Corner of the Globe
d. Judaism Allows Metaphysical/New Age Ideas to Formulate a New Faith
e. Israel Rebuilds their Temple on Temple Mount; People Seek 'The Messiah'
f. Antichrist is Crowned King in England, His Global Adoration Increased
Buddhist apocalyptic cosmology makes way more sense and doesn't require any supernatural appeals. Cells rise; individuals rise; nations rise; planets rise; galaxies rise; cells fall; individuals fall; nations fall; planets fall; galaxies fall. And then they do it again.
Much more intellectually appealing than the Hebrew's vision of the universe as a big Jewish monarchy after the fashion of their political systems when they were still cousin-fucking nomads wandering int he desert.
So, this Buddhst walks up to a hot dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything."
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Russia can't be defeated militarily, only economically and if it gets close to that they make it military.
Nuclear armed nations won't go down without taking their enemies with them, thats why you have them.
ANY DAY NOW!
Nope.
Still stupid.
As an entity of pure logic, I am entertained by the duality of those who are skeptical of OT writings but not of the NT writings.
Both fall far short of objective and natural facts and archeological findings, and the Chain of Custody in vetting documents.
The NT, for example, can be questioned to its very birth in 325 AD (Council of Nicaea), as being a product of or aligned with the Powers of Rome, and many question its recent flavors -- especially the Scofield Reference Bible.
My point is, People will believe (accept as truth) whatever they want to believe, or have been conditioned to believe, with little or no regard to objective reality.
Just ask a Mormon about his theology if you want proof of what you just said.
No...it's still the stupidist post I have read.
Imo, this has nothing to do with any material bulshit on this planet.
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Oil - fuck that dirty, smelly, shit.
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This is about ultimate control - ultimate power.
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The fight and battle for our souls...
James Brown won.
i dig it. i bet youll dig it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moiUyFQQE-0
Uh,......
Religion and oil.
Get this in your brains:
Russia/China's strategy: end US MENA influence, end US Petrodollar Supremacy, end KSA as unified country
US strategy: stir up Muslims in MENA to stir up Muslims in Russia (7 states): old "MacKinder Doctrine"
Barack H. O'Bama aka Barry Soetoro, etc. is a tool of the US "Deep State", they created him (foolishly)
What a clusterfuck.
Orlov has the ability to make even the most absurd clusterfucks sound funny.
The World's Silliest Empirehttp://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-worlds-silliest-empire.html
Let's see if the Saudi clerics have the balls to face Russia. Or they want our American boys to do the fighting and dying for them.
Putin must remember that low oil prices in the mid 1980s engineered by Saudi Arabia caused the collapse of the USSR. Time to pay the piper.
Exactly this, the flashpoint will be here, barring some other false flag which is surely being prepped.
They assume that we'll jump right in,but Obozo is more of a bend over type. This is getting down right biblical in its stupidity. Hmmmm... Maybe Nostradamus too......
Well maybe you do not understand the doctrine of leading from behind?
Putin must remember that low oil prices in the mid 1980s engineered by Saudi Arabia caused the collapse of the USSR.
Surely if you thought about it for more than 3 seconds you wouldn't have posted such drivel...
Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, offered this advice for Obama on the Townhall.com website:
"I suggest that President Obama might want to study how Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union.
"He did it without firing a shot, as we know, but he had a super weapon -- oil.
"Oil was the only thing the Soviets had in the 1980s that anyone in the rest of the world wanted to buy, besides ICBMs and H-bombs, and they weren't for sale.
"Since selling oil was the source of the Kremlin's wealth, my father got the Saudis to flood the market with cheap oil.
"Lower oil prices devalued the ruble, causing the USSR to go bankrupt, which led to perestroika and Mikhail Gorbachev and the collapse of the Soviet Empire."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/13/michael-reag...
You claimed that the Saudi Oil Dump was the cause of the USSR's collapse. That is preposterous.
Surely it was a factor in the final death throws of the Soviet Empire, but to say that the rotting from within since the 60's was anything less than the primary culprit of Soviet demise is silly. Michael Regan's quote tells you all you need to know when he says the Societs had nothing else besides oil to sell.
Saying the oil dump is what killed the Soviets is analogous to saying a doctor assisting a cancer suicide is killing his patient.
If you want to quote the famous thing about the oil collapse of the Soviet Union, you must also mention the entire context! Otherwise that makes no sense. You simply cannot compare communist Soviet Union with capitalist Russia. And any US politicians (or their kids) are generally big stupid liars, so do not trust them, verify. And please, once again, stop underestimating Putin and Russia. Putin is no Gorbachev, Putin is not a communist, but a right-wing conservative and he seems to know very well, what he is doing + not just militarily, but economically as well. You can envy Russia such a leader, with your Obama or other stupid Western leaders!
1) "Premier Mikhail Gorbachev attempted to reform the Soviet economy in the 1980s with “perestroika” (economic reforms), for which he needed money. Western banks initially gave the Soviet Union loans, but subsequently stopped, leading to economic crisis in the U.S.S.R. Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in the 1980s also resulted in a financial black hole. The Soviet government was simply borrowing heavily. Then came the low oil prices. These two factors led to a rise in Soviet external debt!!! Creditors stopped making loans and started demanding repayments, causing the Soviet economy to collapse."
Now, the present-day Russia under Putin - despite economic crisis Russia is still decreasing its already very low debt and increasing its gold reserves. Do you see the huge difference there or not? You can't actually go bankrupt, if you have no debts. Such a simple logic.
2) Food imports!!! Much of the hard currency earned by exports to the capitalist world was used to purchase grain. The collectivization of farming under Stalin and the subsequent decline of Soviet agriculture turned Russia from the No. 1 grain exporter into the biggest importer. The Soviet leadership faced the option to drastically reduce Soviet food imports by $20 billion, the amount the Soviet Union lost when oil prices collapsed. But in practical terms, this option meant the introduction of food rationing at rates similar to those used during World War II. The Soviet leadership understood the consequences: the Soviet system would not survive for even one month.
Present-day Russia: after the brilliant Putin's move of prohibiting Western food imports and heavily supporting the Russian agriculture, Russia is now self-sufficient in food. More than that, Russia is now going head-to-head in a battle for customers with the USA over wheat exports. "While American dominance in the global market has been shrinking for two decades as output expanded from the Black Sea region, long-standing buyers of supplies from the U.S. are shifting more purchases to Russia. The plunge in oil prices ravaged Russia’s economy and pushed the ruble down 45 percent in the past year, the biggest drop of any currency. However, that helped make the country’s exports more competitive. “Russian wheat is far cheaper,” said Gafai Ibrahim Usman, charge d’affaires at Nigeria’s embassy in Moscow. “There will be more and more wheat imported from Russia. Nigeria’s mostly rural society can barely afford to buy products made from American wheat.” “We’re still maintaining a good market there, but no question it’s been eroded,” Peterson said by phone Aug. 21 from Arlington, Virginia. “Probably more Russian wheat is going to find its home in Africa.” Egypt’s state-run grain buyer once sourced 90 percent of its imported wheat from the U.S. That had dropped to 7 percent by last season, while Russia accounted for 25 percent.
Some of Russian exports boosted by weaker ruble:
Automobiles
For auto manufacturers, Russia is becoming a more profitable assembly site than any other in Europe, including Romania and Turkey, a representative of AvtoVAZ Sergei Ilyinsky told Vedomosti daily. Labor costs per vehicle are about $250 in Russia, compared to $340 in Romania and $450 in Turkey.
Meat
By June, the weak ruble enabled wholesale prices of Russian pork to catch up with China. Russian pork was offered at $3 per kilo, compared to $3.10 in China. A year earlier, Russian pork cost $4.60 per kilo. Russia’s Economic Development Minister Aleksey Ulyukaev says the government is doing its part in helping local meat producers enter Asian markets. “China is the world's largest importer of pork. We have to go to this market. We have to go to the Korean market; we should go to the Vietnamese market, and so on. We will help the producers to do it,” Ulyukaev said last week.
Other food
According to the Far Eastern Department of the Russian Federal Customs Service, exports of dairy products, honey and eggs, in the first half of the year increased 14-fold up to 3,550 tons, and chocolate 34 times to 1,048 tons.
Cosmetics and household products
Foreign cosmetics and household product manufacturers are profiting from the weaker ruble. It is cheaper for companies like L’Oreal, Oriflame and Unilever to produce in Russia and sell abroad.
And Russian exporters have a lot more to offer their foreign partners. Recently, the “traditional” structure of the Russian export sector has expanded to include new, high-tech products.
For example, the Russian Starta Capital investment company is opening an office in New York this fall to promote high-tech startups from Russia in the American market.
Russian machine-builders are showing some growth, too. The Russian Association of Agricultural Machinery Manufacturers, Rosagromash, for instance, has reported peak export statistics.
Import substitution is building a base for future economic growth
An essential factor of economic stabilization and an important investment in Russia’s future is provided by the policy of import replacement, which is currently being followed by Russia.
On the one hand, it is a kind of “protective reaction” to the sanctions by the West, but on the other hand, as the experts unanimously admit, it is an urgent necessity and vital need for every modern sovereign state. That’s because a country cannot remain dependent on an external supply of industrial equipment and food products.
If it were not for the sanctions, Russia would steer an import replacement course anyway. New industrial companies — in power engineering, pharmaceuticals, machine building, and construction technologies — are launched in Russia every month.
In July 2015 alone, 18 new manufacturing plants were put into operation. As yet, their products are mostly designed for the domestic market, but this can be seen as a type of “insurance” against any new default.
CONCLUSION: According to research data published by the Boston Consulting Group in July 2015, Russia stands higher in terms of the global rating of investment attractiveness than the U.S., China and some other world economic leaders. Bloomberg has published a similar report.
Not such drivel. Orlov painted a convincing picture in his first collapse book of "peak oil" in the USSR being the culprit. That with forced-down oil prices just about guarantees collapse.
Dupe
You.
The threats made by head of Saudi Intelligence (oxymoron) Prince Bandar prior to the Olympics have not been forgotten, either, and are much fresher.
https://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/31/the-russian-saudi-showdown-at-sochi/
Putin knows that the Saudi's have been supporting Chechen terrorists for over a decade. Then their is the little matter of all the money they provided to Jihadists and the formation of Al Qaeda to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
No love lost there, and Saudi Clerics calling for Jihad against the Russians may find themselves facing terrorism inside Saudi Arabia form Shiite factions. The U.S. isn't the only country capable of organizing veiled internal opposition and fanning the flames of dissent. Iranians and Hezbollah just need a little nudge and support. Iran is the master at supplying terrorist tools like IED's and suicide vests.
Friday, January 3, 2014 12:31 PM ‘Prince Bandar threatens Putin with Chechen terror attacks’- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1551009#sthash.ViPvL8Uv.dpuf Friday, January 3, 2014 12:31 PM ‘Prince Bandar threatens Putin with Chechen terror attacks’
- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1551009#sthash.ViPvL8Uv.dpuf Friday, January 3, 2014 12:31 PM ‘Prince Bandar threatens Putin with Chechen terror attacks’
- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1551009#sthash.ViPvL8Uv.dpuf
The Saudis and UAE are getting their asses kicked in Yemen.
Russia should ask Iran - would you like the Saudi oil reserves. My guess is the Saudi oil fields are dead or dying (depleting rapidly).
The Saudis are burning the candles at both ends and they have no friends.
saudi arabia has 20% shiite population who they rule with an iron fist.and guess what the shiite population live where the oil reserves are.
SA appears to be out of control. I guess that's what happens when the king snorts a bad batch of Camel Crack.
The succession struggle never ended say
To my knowledge Muhammad (shit be upon him) only adviced his followers to drink camal urine.
LOL at my downvotes. It's in the Hadith.
Western Muslims vs. Eurasian Muslims. What would Mohammed have to say?
<< What would Mohammed have to say? >>
Lots of screaming, "Allens Snackbar" for sure.
WWMD?
what would mohamad do?
Screw an underage male animal dressed up as a little girl
After Jesus crucified it and Moses parted its asshole...
Religion is for retards. Your life is meaningless people...sorry!
Then why do you even bother waking up?
yeah, and why do you look like fucking Nosferatu?
Whoa this could be what your "God" looks like. Better hurry to your nearest pedophile and ask for forgiveness!
To spend my time on this earth in the best situation I can? To work towards happiness? To pass down knowledge/wisdom to my children and future generations? Just because there is no paradise waiting at the end of my life that I got into because I went to see some child rapist and apologized for my sins doesn't mean I can't enjoy my time here while it lasts..
If your only reason to wake up each morning and not kill yourself is because you'll go to hell.. Then WOW, you are far more pathetic than I could imagine.
Lemme guess.....your spending more quality time at the synagogue?
In case you are too lazy to read a few comments up. Religion is for retards.
Try believing in yourself you weak minded fool. I guess it is a whole lot easier to blame someone else for your misfortune.. Don't worry its all part of "god's" plan! Rofl!! Just like every jackass that never amounted to anything.
Watch out! Some mullah will issue a fatwad on you, knukles.
The Japs have millions of those blow-up little girl dolls...
It would save wear and tear on the livestock.
What would Mohammed do? The Saudi's will be convinced that they should get their hands on some of those Pakistani nukes they helped finance so they can put them to good use. They don't have the man power to fight and occupy a country, so turning it's largest city into a glass landscape is the next best thing.
If Barry won't swallow or spread his cheeks for them, they will go rogue and take matters into their own hands. Let's face it, just compare these populations: Iran 77m, Iraq 33m, Syria 22m, Yemen 24m (over 150m) vs. the Saudi's at 28m. It the Saudi's can't even make an effective move on Yemen, and they are effectively surrounded. Expect those nukes to find their way to them, and let's face it, they will use them.
I know what his successors said : Nothing like Fitna to get fit !
So fit that there won't be anyone left!
When the Empty quarter will live up to its old name!
Putin is stirring the pot amongst the good, the bad and the ugly in Sunni Jihad land!
This is beginning to look more and more like a Sergio Leone Movie.
Who is who?
Its worse than an Agatha Christie plot of Murder on the Orient Express or they came to Baghdad!
Maybe we will also see sequel to that with : Death on the Nile.
Hercule where r ya Hercule ?
Arab Spring is running red with blood and sand !
So why exactly are the "Green" planes inside Syrias Sovereign air space?!
because the Assads are murderous, thieving scum.
The main thing is that the Syrian government are even worse murderers than many terrorists. The fact that Russina forces are there at Assad's invitation doesn't make them more legitimate - It makes them less legitimate. Let's have a brief refresher on Russia's client the Assad family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_Islamic_uprising
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria
yes indeed, the Assads are great match for Putin's Russia.
Shall we bring up the destruction of Faluja? The firebombing of Cambodia? Dresden? Hiroshima & Nagasaki?
US presidents make the Assads look like saints.
Yes indeed Vomitti, bloody russians. The Human Rightists from KSA has the full right to scream!!! How dare somebody kill their killers! Oops pardon - moderate opposition - the Muslim Messiahs.
Bloody assholes these russians they even seems to have raped you! Or even worse - refused to rape you.
legitimate leader - Assad - has been elected multiple times and has provided approval for Russia and Iran to place military within the country.
US -used spent uranium shells - Iraq gave no approval using spent uranium or droning weddings is - greater evil or less than - barrell bombs?
Assad elected. That's funny. Only a Russian could say that without laughing.
Really? So, tell me having a true slut as president of your country is funny? Not so?
Don't talk, I already know your answer ladyboy.
Give up. Zerohedge went into fullmode echo chamber some time ago. I miss the days when half the posts were irrelevant "Fuck you Ben" and such, thinking it could never get any worse.
Zerohedgers have made up their collective mind and will even reject posts sharing their own points of view if they lack enthusiasm.
I'm good with ZH. I've noticed a huge awakening in awareness about the "chosen" over the last few years. Hopefully enough wake up to deal with them before they destroy this planet.
As the late Edgar Steele (whom they had murdered) used to say; "next time they better have another planet picked out".
Just been reading up on Edgar Steele , never heard of him before, man that is a depressingly evil story , a lawyer , an educated , honorable man fitted up by sociopaths at the FBI and all for their masters joo know who. Man who dont these people control
who dont these people control
Resistance is pointless.
The amount of facts that have been shared among friends on ZH the last 5 years is staggering.
And the change in opinions reflect that. If anything, if opinions had not changed to suit the facts, I would have long ago stopped reading, and posting, in the comments section here.
There was a certain honesty in ZH articles that has now been replaced by insinuation. One of those 'avoid libel suits' sort of changes. And we lost some good commenters over the years. But the comments section still has more truth per post than any damn forum or web site on the web.
Known israeli sympathizer.
I long for the day when that becomes a vile black mark on the character of whoever dares to publicly admit to it.
Been here since this site started pretty much. Its become a dog whistle site to attract all fringe elements in addition to the serious economic content, thats how it works. So you get gun porn freak survivalist rednecks, people who hate blacks, muslim haters, the america is satan crowd and of course most numerous nowdays the hate the jews brigade, all looking to vent their bile in the same place. Its a battle royale. It used to be predominantly anglo american here but that changed a long while back, very heavy russian prescence now.
Having used the site primarily to guage the worlds psyche through the comments of posters here i have to conclude that we are currently in a race between anti-semitic hatred and anti-muslim hatred that will end in some sort of massive racial genocide.
Of course, thats if the next world war that appears to be gearing up holds of long enough
And the remainder are anti american.
Precisely the plan.
While we slit the throats of anyone a different color then us... The Mantis grins.
Well played.