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The Two Major Factors That Will Drive Markets In Q4 According To SocGen (Spoiler: Not The Fed)

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In the aftermath of the Fed's September fiasco, in which Yellen single-handedly cost the Fed years if not decades of carefully scripted "credibility", and more than unleashing a selloff has gotten us to the point where even Tier 1 banks admit that "market participants have started to question the effectiveness of monetary policy, with good reason", we were shocked to learn that at least according to Socgen, the Fed is no longer a major factor driving the market in the fourth quarter.

Here is SocGen's explanation of how the Fed lost credibility.

Monetary policy: central banks take a back seat

 

Last month, neither the ECB’s threat to expand its QE programme nor the delay in the Fed’s rate hike succeeded in stopping the equity sell-off. Market participants have started to question the effectiveness of monetary policy, with good reason. With still a large debt overhang in many developed economies, further easing is unlikely to boost credit demand significantly from current levels. Moreover, easy financial conditions have led to a growing divergence between modest global growth and frothy valuations. This divergence culminated earlier this year in an S&P 500 P/B ratio at 2.9x (a level last seen on the eve of the Great Recession): a correction was overdue. Although growth is expected to remain solid in developed economies, corporates are now facing external headwinds, against which central banks have limited tools.

 

We can only hope that SocGen is right and that the Fed will no longer be a driving force for the market, but as everyone knows this is merely a pipe dream. If anything, the Fed - which will not hike rates in 2015 - is merely taking a sabbatical until next year, when it will be forced to decide between either delivering on its promise, or losing all credibility and going straight to NIRP/QE4+.

So if not the Fed then what, according to SocGen, will be the two major drivers behind the stock market in the last quarter of 2015? The answer:

1) China: to remain a headwind into 2016, but...

 

EM and, especially, commodity-dependent economies have been severely impacted by China’s slowdown this year. With globalisation, developed and emerging economies have become more integrated, thereby raising concerns of spillover effects spreading from EM to DM economies. But, DM economies seem to have been left relatively unscathed so far. This is because DM growth is mainly driven by stronger domestic spending, notably owing to lower commodity prices and better employment prospects. China should continue to weigh on global growth into 2016. But, we expect Chinese activity to stabilise somewhat near term, mostly due to a greater focus on infrastructure investment. Any sign of growth stabilisation in China could alleviate fears of a global recession: watch China’s leading indicators closely in Q4.

 

And:

2) Earnings: strong divergence between sectors

 

US EPS growth has been very disappointing this year, with Q3 earnings likely to decline (yoy) for the second quarter in a row. Our Equity Quant team notes that profits growth has never been this weak outside of a recession. Consequently, risk aversion has increased, reinforced by fears of contagion across asset classes and notably the return of idiosyncratic risk in credit. The external headwinds of a strong USD, lower commodity prices and slower global demand should continue to weigh on sectors such as industrials, materials and energy. But, lower oil prices and a healthier job market (with the current soft patch likely to be transitory) are positive for US consumers, as reflected by strong spending data over the past months (+0.4% mom on average). As a result, sectors exposed to US consumption could still report solid EPS growth going forward. The eurozone recovery should also support earnings, allowing the Euro Stoxx to benefit from less demanding valuation levels.

 

If SocGen is right then enjoy the last day before Chinese stocks reopen after its week-long holiday. As for earnings season, if today's atrocious announcements by Yum Brands and Adobe are any indication, then not even a "recovering" China, one paradropping billions in debt rescue packages on top of insolvent banks, will be able to offset the acute earnings recession about to unfold.

 

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Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:32 | 6638193 HedgeAccordingly
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1. bring tax revenue back to the USA perhaps..2.buy backs

US Companies Avoiding $620B In Taxes via Bermuda, Ireland, Luxembourg 
Tue, 10/06/2015 - 22:02 | 6638274 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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That's not necessary, the 'Murkan middle class can make up difference, we're good like that. 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 22:16 | 6638305 markmotive
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Marc Faber says market factors may be setting up another 1987 event.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2015/10/marc-faber-we-have-colossal-asset....

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 01:03 | 6638565 OldPhart
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I'm not as bright as the rest of you.

That first chart had me stopped until I realized that 01/07, 01/08, 01/09 and 01/10 were July 1, August 1, September 1 and October 1.

Then it clicked.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:40 | 6638216 buzzsaw99
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too bad for yum their name isn't amazon

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:41 | 6638220 eltuito
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Waiting for BofA to report on Oct 14th.  Their FiCC should be Steller!  ...or not.  Oh, and tell us what that bond portfolio is Really worth.

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:53 | 6638221 Atomizer
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Fuck you federal policymakers and Captain Kangaroo Janet Yellen.

Resource Based Economy <<~ Please watch

 

Books are online  

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:49 | 6638243 Hohum
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Profits will beat expectations.  How could it be otherwise?

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 22:03 | 6638276 Atomizer
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Everyday underemployment goes up, wall street goes up. AI robotic replacement.

Watch when we fuck with the robots software. They will be doing silly things. A repeat in history.

Key & Peele - Auction Block - YouTube

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:52 | 6638252 Atomizer
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Rot in fear environmental fuckwits.

 

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 21:56 | 6638262 Yen Cross
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 I'm so emphatically tired of, "what if~s" and naratives that suggest this world is saved.

 Nothing could be further from the truth, and it's time to prepare yourselves.

 Rome is burning in a heaping cauldron of flaming distrust, and misallocations.

   It's not about resource scarcity. It's about "over capacity"!

 Funny money gets divided so many times that it doesn't buy enough resources at the "company store" [ federal reserve] to produce  enough servitude to perpetuate the ponzi bitchez.

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 03:33 | 6638673 class of 68
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Yen,

 Always look forward to reading your posts. I'm an Electrical Contractor in Pittsburgh. We continue to see unbelievable strength in the hotel, apartment space. I know this is a function of low rates, but the pace of the space building is giving me pause.

VA Hospital spending is stupid high, on non sense projects, some renovations on buildings they know will be torn down within  (12) months. The Markwest train and other frackers continue unabated. I know the Bakken and that area is played near out, but Marcellus and some say Utica coming on strong continues to see more compressors built than Jenny has tanks. I share most opinions here but when I see such continued strength I wonder how long can this over build continue. Banking also headquarters, data centers, PNC, BNY-Mellon strong and appearing confident. 

Was active premium seller in the S&P far out of money puts. dimes mostly 1 or 2 delta, have pulled back last few months now mostly watching. My bud was caught with to many 1 by 4, and 1 by 5 on August 24. (the 140 point day) I'm sure you watched as we did the bots just took over. He lost several MM dollars that day.  From your Manhiem comment are you in PA? Thinking of going long some calls on the Kiwi. Don't have the stomach for the far out of money puts afte seeing that run away train.

 

sincerely,

rwz

Tue, 10/06/2015 - 23:16 | 6638425 NDXTrader
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The only thing that matters is the carry trade. BOJ does nothing tonight - next stop S&P to retest the lows

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 06:02 | 6638748 Youri Carma
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They've got it all backwards. We don't suffer from the 'headwinds' from China but exactly vice versa, China suffers from the 'headwinds' in the developed economies aka the West. It's all part of the bankster propaganda to blame China instead of the banksters.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 07:07 | 6638823 Arnold
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inscrutable.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 07:31 | 6638863 Last of the Mid...
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"market participants have started to question the effectiveness of monetary policy!  What a nice way of saying we need more fucking money to continue this farce that is the US economy and keep our mouths shut.

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