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Edward Snowden: "They've Said They Won't Torture Me..."
Submitted by Simon Black via SovereignMan.com,
Just in case anyone still foolishly believes that there’s a shred of decency left in the ‘justice’ system in the Land of the Free, I would humbly present exhibit A: Edward Snowden.
In a recent interview with the BBC, Edward Snowden disclosed that he has offered numerous times to the US government to return to the United States, face trial, and if necessary, spend time in prison.
[full interview below]
It hasn’t mattered that hundreds of thousands of people have signed petitions asking President Obama to pardon Mr. Snowden.
Those petitions have been totally ignored.
So Snowden is preparing to return and face trial, negotiating terms with Uncle Sam to ensure that he’s treated fairly.
As he told the BBC, “So far they’ve said they won’t torture me. Which is a start, I think. But we haven’t gotten further than that.”
It’s a sad reflection on the values of a country that someone who blows the whistle on the government committing egregious crimes and violating its own constitution has to flee to Russia in order to escape oppression.
It’s even worse that the government in the Land of the Free rescinded his passport.
But it’s utterly shocking that any negotiation about his return has to start by taking TORTURE off the table.
The fact that torture even has to be mentioned is utterly pathetic. And it pretty much tells you everything you need to know about justice in America... and what happens if you dare cross the government.
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What a deal, no torture! Too bad there is no clear definition of "torture" in the US gov. Weren't they saying that waterboarding wasn't torture for a time?
exactly...it depends on who is defining what "torture" actually is. Snowden and the gov-scum would need to hammer out a massive list ahead of time of what the gov-scum can't use as torture. Or something like that.
Even sleep deprivation can be used as torture. It's not like it physically hurts you...but it will drive you nuts after so long.
You drive up to a building that says "justice center", guess what the one thing you won't get is.....
They won't physically "torture" him... just mentally destroy him [like Manning] until he wants to be a woman, so all the beta males [even here on ZH] can pretend like they're "real" men and join the bandwagon of bad jokes and puns courtesy of uncle satan.
They don't count a jail cell with fluorescent lights 24/7, no blanket or sheets as torture, it's suicide prevention.
Bush's right-hand bloodthirsty distorted AG, Gonzalez, declared water boarding and back breaking are not torture but eye-ball gouging out may be borderline.
Taking congress critters off their meds would be considered torture, by politicians.
If I were him id be pretty careful with this. First of all, his definition of torture may be far different than the governments. Plus, it's not like they can be trusted to keep their word on anything. What's to stop them from using 'extraordinary rendition' and shipping him off to another country, where they torture him instead. " no us govt personnel were involved in the enhanced interrogation, we promise "
If they'd torture him why wouldn't they lie about torturing him?
Scooby would be the tip of the human shield that would surround E.S. to protect him from the Nobel Prize winner's goons.
You fuckers will be eating lead soon enough.
Fed don't want no trial that gives Snowden lawyers and Snowden a public voice, tooo dangerous.
Sure, they say no toture. Torture would be illegal and inhumane.
They would, of course, reserve 'Enhanced Interogation Techniques'
Make certain any interogation/investigation/trial is done in a neutral country with no extradition treaty!
Don't know what the value of the information that they would be getting out of Snowden would be. Snowden is on record saying that 9/11 was the work of the evil Osama Bin Laden after all...
https://theintercept.com/2015/05/18/snowden-osama-bin-laden-raid/
Not that Obama's good friend Pierre Omidyar and his publication "The Intercept" wouldn't be up to publishing the truth about 9/11 or anything...
Just a 99% probability that the whole Snowden media circus event sponsored by the MSM is a complete PSY-OP SCAM
5 nines chance.
if this small, heroic man were real, he would have been black-bagged *long* before anyone ever heard of him. and he, sure as fuck, would NOT be constantly mentioned in the media. there would be a COMPLETE western media blackout.
he's a bought-and-paid-for piece of the puzzle. they trot him out every now and then as another piece of misdirection.
and as for everyone arguing over candidates. fellas.... these people ARE NOT REAL. if they make it to the point of standing on the fox news stage they are a controlled, known value. anyone outside of this system would *never* make it to the point of you knowing their name. if a leader arose who was truly legit - they would be bought/coerced/or black-bagged long before they made it to national politics, let alone the nominee short list.
i know you don't want to believe this (i sure as fuck don't want to believe it) but the USA is irrevocably fucked. this is part of a long con plan. it is over. it's just a matter of time now.
use this time to get your family's shit together and to try and learn what their insane plan is bc we are going to live through a fiat currency changing of the guards and there is an unfathomable amount of global debt that will be unwound.
SNOW - D, JUST GET A DACHA, AND A GARDEN AND A BEAUTIFUL RUSSIAN WIFE. HAVE KIDS...STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
That is worth discussion. Why is he so desperate to leave Russia parts of it are quite 1st world, I've read he is if not brilliant then gifted. My point is he can earn Russian and melt in. I think he could probably get remote work consulting with .govs around the world. Anyone know why he is keen to return to a place he thought so reprehensible ( not really disagreeing in many ways)he violated its national Security?
Excuse me but why would anyone believe a single word that the US Government says? And that applies even more so to the present "Administration".
decency...
that's a human thingy, no?
He's such a smart man but it's a shame Snowden isn't Spider Man or his Danger Sense would be sending him into convulsions right about now...
as to why snowden would want to return, it might be to draw further attention to his revelations and the general police state nature of this country. possibly there are further ones to come which might be synched with his trial to maximize the effect.
however i too wonder at his analysis of 9-11. an attentive grade schooler with erector set experience could watch the wtc videos magnified and in slow motion and conclude secondary explosions were involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhROd7Jt3-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgM6hjNedE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_AL4OlmHc&feature=iv&src_vid=rnbMjAN7B...
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
Heck... there were secondary explosions even BEFORE the primary explosions occurred.
Case in point... here is one of Bill Biggarts photographs of the South Tower starting it's collpse while in the left foreground heat and blast damage is clearly visable and evident on WTC6 at the bottom left. That is what is known as a SLAM DUNK photgraphic evidence preserved on FILM. Can't beat that.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/g81GShWsx78/maxresdefault.jpg
A sixth-grader could spot the problem in under 15 seconds. Government agencies, Edward Snowden, and Julian Assange on the other hand... not-so-much.
SNOW - D, JUST GET A DACHA, AND A GARDEN AND A BEAUTIFUL RUSSIAN WIFE. HAVE KIDS...STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
he's so screwed. when the media forgets about him, .gov will make him a statistic. he could change his apperance and 'try' to hide, but his fate is not in his hands
Do you have a link or video or something where Snowden says 9/11 was the result of Osama Bin Laden's efforts? I figured the link in your comment would be just that, but when I read that article, there was nothing supporting what you said. In fact I don't think there was a single quote from Snowden in that article. I'm not saying I don't trust your assertion, but I'd love to see it with my own eyes.
His 2013 Alternative Christmas address said it all when he talked about the NSA/CIA knowing everything about Bin Ladens planned attacks yet still failing to prevent them. Said the NSA responded by then spying on everyone and everything after 9/11. Records show the NSA was spying on everyone and everything before 9/11.
The Osama Bin Laden "did it" narrative and misdirection continues to this day which is why I posted the more recent clip on Obama's good friend Pierre Omidyars "The Intercept" ...
Check Snowdens friend and publisher Pierre Omidyar out sometime.... then you will understand.
Same thing with Julian "Our Saviour" Assange. Not a word about 9/11! LOL
9/11 is the lithmus test, folks.
snowden is a shill all day long.
patsy
@ zerohead
the violation of privacy is damn real.
wanna do something? start here, lots of ideas:
https://prism-break.org/en/
;)
NOTHING LESS THAN COMPLETE AMNESTY APPROVED BY THE SUPREME COURT
BELIEVE NOTHING MR SNOWDEN - WE WANT YOU BACK BUT ON "THE PEOPLES " TERMS
the more i think about it, the more i like the idea of a limited hangout, nixon's (or one of his minions') phrase for offering some candor, but only some, in the hope of keeping the big stuff still secret and nixon still in power. searching for 9-11 material on snowden and assange, and it looks like they both support the official version basically, i came across this attributed to "anonymous":
Of course Wikileaks is a limited hangout.
The whole point of a limited hangout is not to stop dissent or suppress opposition but to permit it, attract it, channel it and control it.
Obviously, you need to have "scoops" that are sufficiently interesting to qualify as plausible opposition, yet represent no substantive threat.
The "legitimate press" ensure Wikileaks has sufficient mind share. So GE, National Amusements, Pearson Group, Washington Post Company, Hearst Media, McGraw-Hill, all give plenty of coverage. It's very "Br'er Rabbit and the briar patch".
The famous recent video of US soldiers doing their job, killing people, is the perfect example. It's visceral but inconsequential.
Of course, you're not going to present anything of any material importance, but rather appeal to gut emotion in precisely the way that is so carefully studied by PR leviathans like WPP. In fact, a good slice of US military budget goes to PR firms.
What you will not see, for instance, is perfectly public information on the financial aspects of 9/11: the implausible prescience of the likes of Veritas Capital and the Blackstone Group, and the various investment banks originally funding them (JPM, GS, Deutsche, CS, etc). Or the lack of any investigation into derivatives trades of the day. Or the very open planning in the Center for Strategic and International Studies, or the the Project for the New American Century. Or the execution by USSTRATCOM and various military contractors, in particular Northrop and Lockheed. Not to mention the inexplicable suppression of Washington air defences and laughable lacunae in NSA and NRO SIGINT/ELINT.
The problem with the whole 911 episode is the utter, abject, blatant lack of any reasonable doubt about who was involved from the Joint Chiefs down, and who executed the operation, and the utter, abject, blatant absence of any credibility of the official cover story.
The concentration of media made it far simpler to present and reinforce this absurd story. Murdoch, Zuckermann, Hearst, Redstone; they all know precisely what happened because they were closely involved from the outset.
Competent intel functionaries worldwide are paid to understand reality and ignore PR: there are large amounts of money and power riding on it.
When the planes hit, probably every single one of them immediately thought, "So they finally implemented Operation Northwoods. I was wondering how they'd get their feet into Iraq."
What we are witnessing is an undeclared hot war by US/NATO forces against their greatest geostrategic competitors, Russia militarily and China economically.
The 911 lie is the keystone that supports this whole ediface of lies.
Destroy that and the rest fails catastrophically.
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"What we are witnessing is an undeclared hot war by US/NATO forces against their greatest geostrategic competitors, Russia militarily and China economically."
You've got the 2 dimensional chess board scenario down perfectly. Unfortunately it's just an illusion.
There is also the possibility that Snowden has taken their words out of context, for example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=88&v=rJ9y1c73-IM
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Taking congresscritters off their 'election funding' would be considered torture, for sure
not to mention their legal marijuana and illegal interns.
I'd bet Ed reads Zero Hedge. So to Edward, don't do it. They will erase you from history. Stay out and keep fighting. Continue to fight their narrative. You have started a security and privacy revolution in tech. Just as Rand Paul said, United States history will look kindly upon Edward Snowden. And lastly, thank you very much for all you've done.
Ed
here is what I suggest. Wait until Hillary's!! trial is over. See what her sentence is. then ask for the same sentence or less. Also if she gets a sentence reduction ask for the same reduction.
I assume you'll actually wind up with no jail time and a multi-million dollar 'foundation' (if you have friends in Saudi Arabia or QATAR).
otherwise...stay the fuck away untill the dollar collapses...after that most hard workers in the US will be headed for Russia to find work doing real stuff. You had a government job though so ask someone who has had a real job what it is like. It can get you dirty or cause pain. In the new world that is coming I think real people will do real things to make commodities into stuff people want and like. (they called it production long ago).
Start training for 2000+ yrd kill shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKP5hg-B1N8
Put together a team and sneak over the border as a 'Mexican' seeking work for the man tending to his estate gardens in Bedford Hills.
Identify his patterns and your opportunities. Rinse and repeat.
while running in a serpentine fashion for good measure.
Ed, it doesn't matter what kind of deal is made. They can promise anything and commit it to writing. Think of all the signed treaties the US has broken, starting with the native americans.
One day you will be in a car crash, or you will commit suicide, or perhaps just never be seen again. That is how these psychopathic cock suckers roll. Keep out of sight forever.
I've heard Iceland is very nice this time of year...
moscow is 32 degrees f (but feels like 23 degrees). however tomorrow is said to be warmer.
Is this the same rand Paul that said snowden belonged in a cell, and he would charge him as president? That rand Paul?
I think he was quoted at something like a 5 year sentence. Rand is about the only one willing to come short of watching Snowden hang. So yes. That Rand Paul. But don't worry. It looks like its going to be Trump or Clinton. Yay...
Yes. But I still disagree with that, but I suppose that's better than being hung. My biggest problem with rand is that I highly doubt that deep down he actually thinks snowden should be behind bars, so he tries to hedge it by saying '5 years' rather than 'hang him' because he is trying to pander to the republican base, which is a horrible trait, one that Ron always refused to do.
And do you REALLY want rand Paul taking the blame when this all blows up? Assuming the wheels don't come off before then, they will during the next admin. Someone like rand in office will make it far too easy to blame 'the free market' or 'capitalism' even though we have neither of those things. So with that in mind, Bernie for prez....
I'm being sarcastic with that last part, kind of at least.
I get that. But honestly if you look at money and support for libertarian based principles, the picture is really bleak. Is Rand perfect. Fuck no. Far from it. But at some point, people need to look at the field and say, this guy may be our "best" chance. Someone is going to move into the White House in 2016. And I am terrified at what the current trajectory looks like. And so everything goes to shit. I would still rather have someone who could implement a meaningful principle based change. We can have everything go to shit and continue to hemorrhage liberties, or everything could go to shit and we can move in the right direction regarding liberties. Things are going to shit. Can't escape it. So should we just quit and say fuck it all or keep working? I say keep working.
I would like to support your sentiment, really I would. But because I believe that those who wield power 100% will not permit anyone who will move the right direction on liberties to take power, I also believe that spending time and effort trying to change a system that is beyond fixing is a waste of valuable human effort and creativity. Create alternative systems and disengage to the greatest extent possible. It's the only way forward I see that still has realistic options for meaningful action. Two benefits: one, the person who follows it is as far as they can be from dealing with an immoral power structure, and two, by withdrawing their energy, they give the greatest impetus possible towards eventual collapse of that power structure, which at this point is the only goal which will signal a real change of direction.
And I would like to support yours. It would probably be a quicker solution. But this reboot your speaking of would require civil war. I don't think people need to die to fix our problems. The system can be brought back from this low if we just implement the right people.
Unfortunately, the people who hold power in the U.S. and western Europe right now disagree with you. They are not only willing but enthusiastic for people to die so that they can hold on to control. The wars being fought across Europe and MENA, and the government's "kill lists", including their own citizens, demonstrate they have zero moral compunction about killing as many as they need to in order to hold on to what they control. They are "the system". I think it is unrealistic to think they will go away without being subject to the same violence they so willingly inflict on anyone who stands in their way.
indeed. it is not a question of whether people need to die . . . they already have, well over a million. thousands inside the u.s. alone.
imo two things need to happen to effect significant change in the u.s.: 9-11 must be revealed to a large and growing majority and the economy become so poor that a similar number cannot afford cable tv.
I don't mean to dogpile on you, but there is no way that the immoral reprobates who make us dance around on life's stage are ever going to willingly relinquish their power. I am not one to call for violence or guillotines. However, that is the result you can expect when this country and the rest of the world reaches its tipping point. I prefer to just prepare for going off-grid. Nice and quiet. Taking my family, our essentials and some of William Banzai 7's art with me.
As President I will put Mr. Snowden on public, televised on every channel, trial with all of the rights and protections guarranteed by the United States Constitution. I will instruct the Attorney General to expose to the people of this nation every fact and factor of this crime. Names will be named and the guilty must be punished or else our nation and its laws stand for nothing and the people would be slaves to incidious criminals like this.
And if the jury still convicts Mr. Snowden of any crime then I, as President of the United States of America, will immediately issue a pardon, letter of Presidential Appreciation, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and request the United States Congress to issue a Gold Medal and replace Columbus Day with The Patriot Day in his honor.
As your President I will not be able to finish the job of restoring America to the greatness embodied in the ideal of America. That job must continually be passed down from generation to generation for each generation faces new threats to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Only each generation can make good on its own future. Let them say of our generation that the renewal of the American Spirit began with us. Let us begin now.
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Ed, don't come home...they'll disappear you before you ever step foot on a plane. Putting you on trial is too risky for them...you know too much and discovery would be a real problem.
Hook up with Anna Chapman, change your looks, start an IT security company or something and enjoy life.
Two names:
Michael Hastings & Breitbart.
philip marshall http://www.infowars.com/cia-killed-phillip-marshall-for-leaking-911-secr...
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Amen
+1000!!
Snowden! Don't come back until the MIC has crumbled into dust! It's most definitely a trap! Look at what happened to Manning as compared to what happened to those helicopter pilots. It's tells you everything about military "justice".
And definitely, thanks for everything! I will come to Germany and buy you dinner one day.
No, he will have sheets and because of overwhelming remorce he will hang himself.
No,
They will claim he managed to conceal a nail-gun and compressor in his cell and shoot himself in the head 10 or 12 times before they could stop him...
after he ran backwards on that knife
True that solitary confinement is considered a form of torture.
Manning is a cocksucking coward and Snowden is a hero.
I often wonder if the state turned Manning into a woman as a show of force. To set an example to others. You think jail is bad? You have no idea what we are capable of. We will even make hte public think it was your idea!
Nothing is impossible.
Why say Manning is a coward? I say they are BOTH heroes for exposing the atrocious, inhumane, illegal activities of TPTB.
like holmes says, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is true.
las vegas dave doesn't like gay men/women.
speculation on his masculine security is just that, speculation.
. your logic needs an operation
Do tell, DJ...c'mon, out with it, matey.
note the indentations. he is replying to dave, as were you.
Thank you, Jeff; however, when I posted my comment DJ's was indeed posted under my comment, and has since changed as I double checked before posting. I wonder how that happened?
Don't you mean, Lamda Males?
I like the pictures of the newspapers on Snowden's twitter account vindicating his actions. He was right, they violated the constituion. I wish more people cared about their freedom.
https://twitter.com/Snowden
You mention the constituition... You might want to take a look at the CONstituitional CONvention/14th ammendment scams.
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/the-peoples-case-for-what-happened-at...
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/its-time-to-tell-the-truth-the-14th-a...
Snowden is doing a lot better job helping expose the psychopathic traitors usurping the U.S. from right where he is now.
The government would love nothing better than for him to return. He will never get a fair trial. They'll never allow it to be open (it will all be classified) and he will be muzzled, go silent and be forgotten after a few years in prison.
I would argue that it's not the noble thing for him to do, at least not now. If you sacrifice so much to show how the constitution has been usurped and derailed by an overbearing, self-empowering government, then you can't just give up for some semblance of 'accepting responsibility'. That's only noble when the justice system is fair. It's not - not by any stretch of the imagination. It's a tool of punishment and retribution commanded by the psychopaths that have usurped the constitution. It's a tool to terrorize and control the little people, not 'dispense justice'. The Justice Department is arguably more corrupt and debased than the NSA.
Snowden: be a man like Chelsea and remain a voice for how fucked up the U.S. has become. Besides, if you come back here, you're a pussy sellout. Chelsea and I will beat the crap out of you. Finish the job you started. You were given a voice to help fix your country - FUCKING USE IT!
It's either that or be that special someone to that Leroy 'Radiator Hose' guy. That would be... most unpleasant.
Why wouldn't you wait and see if Bernie Sanders can pull off an election win?
You'd have better luck with him in the white house.
Edward, my considered advice is: Don't do it.
I can't believe Russia really sucks that much to live in that you would rather come back to guaranteed prison for life.
Of factors motivating Snowden return in US, somehow Russia not likely having much influence.
Perhaps he seeks public trial televised like so many years ago Watergate hearings. Seems not possible with secret police state US government unless convincing accident will be orchestrated.
It's not torture Ed, it's "enhanced interrogation".
I think now they call it 'Super-Awesome Extra-Funtime Twenty Questions'.
'...With Lube (If You Are Good)'.
this CIA Agent is full of crap
The interview was on BBC, the same outfit that reported WTC7's collapse ahead of time. Dis-info at it's finest.
I called bullshit on Snowden in the previous Snowden thread and at this point I've earned 75 down votes.
Snowden was CIA. Which means Snowden is CIA.
since sanctuary has been provided in russia that really would translate to pooty aint no messiah...eh?
consider cooper, binney, edmonds, tice, drake, kirakou, et.al.
perhaps ES takes whatever msm he can muster no matter how tainted.
just a possibility, cuz even binney says ES is a white hat.
Torture: Being force to
- watch “E Channel” reruns 8 hours a day;
- Listen to “Rap Music”
Dear Eric,
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Honest injun'.
Sincerely,
Barack
We lied to some folks.
exactly...it depends on who is defining what "torture" actually is.
Well, they may not waterboard him, but then there's always "diesel therapy" ..... ala Hansen Style ... and all Hansen did was write a book about the IRS ....
I lived in a college dorm once. A guy in the room next door played "Mandy" over and over again. I think it was his high school sweethearts and his 'song'. One night everyone on the floor, including his roommate, smothered him in his sleep. Ha ha ha. Just kidding. But no one would have ever been prosecuted. That was torture I tell you. That Snowden list would be as big as, well, the US Tax Code.
we dont torture.
we use enhanced interrogation
which includes waterboarding, stress positions and sleep deprivation as well as other techniques that were developed at least in part by licensed psychologists James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen who got paid millions of dollars.
creative military personel also used, lets call it- dignity depletion techniques. which includes putting prisoners in compromising nude postions with eachother and taking photos so they can share with their friends and family when they return home.
...... and rape, attack by dogs, drilling out kneecaps and all of the other various techniques that were used at Abu Ghraib etc. Actually there are no bounds to the extent of American torture as the CIA is unrestrained by laws and there are many prisons who don't have names.
"many prisons"
Diego Garcia, Guantanamo, Guam, Navy ships, in occupied countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, etc), where the US wage wars including proxy, puppet states, over 1000 US Military bases around the World, US Embassies, 3rd Party torture countries, in caves, under rocks
Redacted.
Notice: This is not response to comment above redacted.
Or at least no torture for the first ten days. This is the US government, you have to know how to read between the lines.
... there is no clear definition of "torture"
We know what it isn't:
Naked solitary confinement is not torture.
Forced feeding is not torture.
Sharing a cell with a 250 lb. sexual devant is not torture.
Security wakeups every 15 minutes is not torture.
Sleeping with the lights always on is not torture . Ask Slobodan Milosevic about it .
Ed, if you're reading this... PLEASE stay where you are... nothing good can come of going back to US... nothing... Better for your friends & family to come to you... permanently... the US is a rotting corpse, and would be death for someone like you
Snowden should counter the "no torture" offer with a demand that his visage be added to Mt. Rushmore.
https://youtu.be/o065oo7Zu8k?start=2934&end=3001&version=3
Snowden write a book & retire, don't go to jail! Be a man! Don't wimp on us. They are all liers, you should know of all people! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDBnwV-wG4o&list=PLIvFYRI3GhfVWKA-_8sopB...
Yeah, no torture.., only "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques".
I look at Irwin Schiff and what they did to him and shudder.
The Government will collapse with the economy, that is my hope.
Prosecute Hillary, Corzine, Rangel, Geithner etc first. Get back to me if you do and I might think about it.
That way since at least the 90s. Depends on what the meaning of is is.
Stay put, fool! You look like you are doing alright - you won't after the satanists are done with you.
"No really, trust me...I'll pull out before I cum"
Yes, it is called "unique interrogation techniques."
My definition of torture would certainly include imprisoning someone for speaking the truth. Not that telling the truth is always the "right" thing to do, but prison should never be the direct result! In Snowden's case, he probably deserves to have his security clearance revoked. /s/
Snowden is a PSyOp and a shill, leaked stuff we already knew and pretends the deep state hijacked our computers, while in the real world personal computers were invented for spying on us in the first place by the Stanford Research Institute via straw man companies.
If Snowden is the real deal, I'd like to see a data dump off all the king pin zios phone calls in the days leading up to 9/11. Nothing he has revealed to date has been that obscure.
here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk
The Nobel Prize Winner has been very harsh on whistleblowers. I would not believe his promise of no torture
Obama has Prosecuted More Whistleblowers than All Other Presidents COMBINEDhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/obama-has-prosecuted-more-whistle...
it depends upon what the definition of "is", is to quote someone else.
Clinton was a POS for helping a bipartisan effort to repeal Glass-Steagall and 1997 telecom act. That said he looks like a fucking saint compared to both Bushes and Obama. Sad times.
You were first. :-) I didn't see your comment till after I had commented the same thing.
If the Nobel Prize Winner told me water is wet, I'd turn on the tap and run my finger under it, just to be sure!
You can tell when he's lying, his lips move..
Snowden, of all people, should know not to believe anything they say to him.
Ed, They lie, about everything. But you know that.
Shit, they don't want this guy tortured .. they want him dead.
Check contract for words "nail gun"
as he's being tortured...
"what we are doing to you now is Government certified as 'not torture'"
it's like a pedophile babysitting your children, he says he'll keep them safe as a model citizen would, but they can't help it, they're self serving sociopaths
Land of the fleeced, home of the slave.
You're better off not coming back, Ed.
At least his current Country is WINNING !
I'd certainly not want to be on any planes in which he's flying.
Good thing he's got that Twitter account now.
"Be a lamb and Tweet us your flight number, would you?"
Did they pinky swear, becuase if they did then it is a sure thing. Just don't complain about the TPP like the "Doctors without borders" did or there might be collateral damage.
A skinny nerd in a supermax facility. Goodbye virginity! It's love.....not torture.
No Torture *check*
Cellmate named bubba who will shank you? *Still up for grabs*
The US murder sick children, so no they won't torture him, they will murder him quickly without any torture first
I'm writing in Ed this coming election. Hope he is not mad at me.
r3ct1f13r,
What part of "no torture" don't you understand?
you're a smart guy, why would you even consider returning to this cesspool?
I think the moment the government started knowingly and intentionally violating its charter it stopped being the government.
Snowden can become a Canadian citizen, and CANADA won't extradite because we all know that Snowden will face the death penalty if he goes back to the USA. CANADA can't extradite if someone will be subjected to the death penalty. ERGO, Snowden should apply for Canadian citizenship before he attempts to go to the USA. Further, I understand why Snowden wants to go home, but CANADA is still a better option than the USA IMHO.
Yeah, like Harper would take him in.
Besides, CSIS and CSEC have their own ways of not torturing you before they don't kill you.
On October 19th 2015 Harper will be retiring from politics, and Justin Trudeau will become the next Prime Minister of CANADA. If Snowden applies for Canadian citizenship right now he will get in and we will protect him from assassination by CIA et al. And CSIS would not dare touch Snowden because millions of Canadians would disband CSIS, and fire all of the employees if they did.
Snowden will be safe in CANADA I guarantee it.
They might torture Snowden by making him watch hockey 12 hours a day and listening to Celine Dion 2 hours a day.
They would assassinate him there, they will probably get him in Russia eventually as it is.
If Snowden gets Canadian citizenship the USA will NOT assassinate him here, or anywhere, frankly.
Oh really, why not? Because they would be afraid it would be illegal by international law or that it might offend Russia or Canada? Did you not see JFK's head blown off? Did you miss Michael Hastings car blowing up before it hit a tree? The list of CIA assassinations could go on for days.
The Banksters assassinated JFK, and Hastings. Snowden did not expose Bankster wrongdoing. And the CIA would NOT assassinate him because that sort of behaviour would most assuredly cause major problems for the CIA, the State Department, and the Whore House.
China wouldn't give him up but wouldn't keep him either. He is a dead man walking unless God Almighty steps in. He should find him a Russian girl and kiss her ass till she marries him. Then continue to kiss her ass.
No,they'll just lock you up in a 8'-8' jail cell with a 350 lb knee-grow bunkmate named Leroy "radiator hose" Butthumper,and he'll do the actual torturing..
Snowden can never come back to the west period. If anyone needs to know the measure of how justice works in the west they need to look no further than the Frankin Scandal and the Jimmy Savile scandal, people died when they tried to expose the true nature of the political elite and their motivations in both cases. If you can't keep your children, cadavers and dead pigs safe from your highest officials and social elite your country has nothing.
Nice, no torture, they will just kill him.
Snowden should move to Sochi and get an IT job with Kaspersky Labs. Russia is home to some of the hottest looking women on earth. Most educated women speak English. Russians pay a 12% flat tax compared to the socialist taxes we pay in the USA. He can get cable or satellite TV for programming in English and live like a king. Why would he ever consider coming back to a dirty prison cell?
Edvard Snodin. Fits right in.
I thought he already had a beautiful girlfriend.
How do you say Pole dancer in Russian?