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Russian Warships Launch Missile Attack On Syrian Targets, Clearing Way For Iran Ground Invasion

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In case it wasn’t clear enough what was set to happen soon after the Russian air force had spent a few days softening up anti-regime positions on the ground, allow us to spell it out: with the opposition on the run thanks to five days of aerial bombardment, Iran will now send in the Hezbollah/Shiite militia/Quds clean up crew, who will personally ensure that whoever is left in the wake of the Su-34 strikes is swiftly eliminated at close range.

You see, this is how you conduct an actual war and you needn’t be a West Point graduate to understand it. Russia has essentially debilitated Assad’s opposition from the air and now, Iran will (both figuratively and literally in all likelihood), simply walk up and execute anyone who’s left and that, as they say, will be that. Of course Damascus will get to claim that the SAA emerged victorious with the help of Russian air support, but in reality, there is no SAA. Just as we said weeks ago, the ground campaign is being orchestrated from Damascus by Quds commander Qasem Soleimani. Here’s Reuters:

The Russian government says its Syria deployment came as the result of a formal request from Assad, who himself laid out the problems facing the Syrian military in stark terms in July, saying it faced a manpower problem.

 

Khamenei also sent a senior envoy to Moscow to meet President Vladimir Putin, another senior regional official said. "Putin told him 'Okay we will intervene. Send Qassem Soleimani'. 

 

"Soleimani is almost resident in Damascus, or let's say he goes there a lot and you can find him between meetings with President Assad and visits to the theater of operations like any other soldier," said one of the senior regional officials.

What’s going on here really couldn’t be much clearer. Iran is simply taking over Syria with the help of the Russian military juggernaut and as we’ve documented exhaustively, Putin gets to spin the entire Mid-East power grab as a “war on terror.” Here’s AP (reporting from Beirut by the way, so just Google “Hezbollah, Iran, Lebanon,” and draw your own conclusions about who’s feeding them these headlines): 

Syrian troops, emboldened by Russian airstrikes, launch a ground offensive against insurgents.

Again, there are no “Syrian troops.” They were defeated a long, long time ago, but there are most certainly dozens of fierce Shiite militias from Iraq and there’s always Hezbollah and when you combine these groups with the Russian air force, what you get is a formidable land/air military presence and now, Moscow is also firing on anti-regime targets from the sea. Here’s RT:

Four Russian Navy warships have fired a total of 26 missiles at the position of the terrorist group Islamic State in Syria, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced. The missiles were fired from the Caspian Sea.

“Four missile ships launched 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets. According to objective control data, all the targets were destroyed. No civilian objects sustained damage,” Shoigu said.

 

The missiles flew some 1,500 km before reaching their targets, probing their efficiency.

 

The missile attacks came from Russia’s fleet in the Caspian Sea, which borders Russia, Iran and three other littoral countries. The precision weapons hit all intended targets.

 

The attacks apparently required cooperation from Iran and Iraq, as the missiles had to travel through their airspace to reach Syria.

Yes, “the attacks apparently required cooperation from Iran and Iraq” which we certainly imagine wasn’t too difficult for Moscow to obtain, because as we outlined in “Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic", this was the plan all along. Skeptical? That's ok, just consider the following out today from WSJ

Iraqi Shiite lawmakers and militia leaders are urging Russia to launch airstrikes on Islamic State militants in their country, an escalation that would heighten tensions with Washington and increase risks of a clash between the two powers.

 

Since Moscow began bombing opponents of the regime in Syria last week, Iraq’s Shiite politicians, who dominate government, have been largely united in their praise of Moscow’s intervention and in calls for Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to invite Russia to join the battle. Mr. Abadi said he would welcome Russian strikes as long as they were coordinated with the U.S.-led coalition’s air campaign against Islamic State in Iraq.

 

“We welcome Russian airstrikes in Iraq to help hit Islamic State headquarters, target Islamic State supply lines from Syria and target the oil smuggling lines,” said Moeen al-Kadhimi, a spokesman for the Badr Corps, an Iranian-backed militia and political party that plays a front-line role in fighting Islamic State. “We welcome Russia as they have advanced military technology and can help with intelligence.”

 

For Moscow, any involvement in Iraq would be even more complicated than its current Syria gambit. A Kremlin play in Iraq is likely to spotlight weaknesses of U.S. policy there, while exposing the contradictions in the Iraqi government’s dueling alliances, said Anthony Cordesman, a longtime Iraq analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 

“It would be difficult to sustain congressional support for an Iraq playing off Iran and Russia against the U.S.,” he said. “The administration would have very tough calls to make.”

 

Options would include leaving Iraq or finding a way to operate in parallel with Russia and Iran, raising questions about broader U.S. goals in Iraq.

 

“We don’t really have a strategy, just a set of short-term engagements,” he said.

No, Washington doesn't "really have a strategy" in Iraq, but do you know who does? Tehran. And the very same General who is running the Syrian gound war from Damascus and who Putin sent for directly to organize the entire campaign has long been known to control these Iraqi Shiite lawmakers and millitia leaders and now, Russia is apparently set to just kick the US out of Iraq altogether. 

And while Russia literally takes over the Mid-East, the West is busy trying to find silly excuses to claim that Moscow is in violation of NATO members' sovereignty. Here's CNN:

Russian involvement in the 4½-year-old Syrian civil war seems to be escalating, with NATO's secretary general confirming Tuesday a second incursion by Russian planes into Turkish airspace and saying Russian ground troops were in Syria as well.

 

"It's unacceptable, it's dangerous, and it's reckless behavior and it adds to the tensions," Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told CNN about the incursions into Turkish airspace.

 

"We see the violation of the Turkish airspace becomes more important, more dangerous, because it happens in a context where we see more fighting, more Russian military presence in Syria."

So basically, Washington wants the public to focus on some Russian fighter jets that may or may not have accidentally crossed into Turkey's airspace, because after all, the good folks in Ankara are allies of the West, and because they are allies you should pay no attention to the fact that the Erdogan government is systematically exterminating its political opposition in the name of a fake fight against the very same group of terrorists who Putin is actually fighting. In other words: NATO is crying foul because Moscow, in its attempts to fight the terrorists that Turkey has helped to support all along, accidently flew a few miles into Turkey's airspace.

As you can see from the above, the Western hypocrisy and outright panic is accelerating here as Washington is simply bewildered about what to do next. Meanwhile, the Russian military has, in the space of a week, cleared the way (literally) for an Iranian gound invasion in Syria on behalf of Assad. Once that's finished (which, if recent events are any indication, should be in about two weeks), the entire campaign will shift to Iraq, where the US will either need to confront Russia or simply pack up and leave.

On the "bright" side, open war between Russia and the US would be great for GDP growth...

 

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Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:58 | 6639046 VinceFostersGhost
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Ice cream social Sunday in Damascus......be there.

 

No worries....we're going to declare it a gun free zone.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:02 | 6639078 Looney
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The only way to hit ISIS in Syria with missiles and avoid Turkey’s airspace is to launch them from somewhere close to Iran.

Zero Hedge had an amazingly accurate article about a year ago (when the five Caspian Sea countries had signed the CST (the Caspian Sea Treaty) describing EXACTLY this scenario.

I couldn’t find the article, but here’s another one, from The Diplomat:

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/russia-and-iran-lock-nato-out-of-caspian-...

Looney

P.S. By the way, the Kalibr missiles’ effective range is 1,500 m (2,500 km) and can easily reach any target within Saudi Arabia and Qatar ;-)

http://www.maps-world.net/central-asia.htm

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:06 | 6639095 Global Hunter
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Looney, couldn't they hit them from Western Syria also and avoid Turkish airspace?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:10 | 6639113 Looney
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The Syrian war will end eventually, but the Caspian Sea is there to stay.

This is about Power Projection. I think?  ;-)

Looney

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:12 | 6639127 Handful of Dust
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West Pointers are too busy with other matters:

 

30 hurt as traditional pillow fight at West Point turns rough

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/us/west-point-pillow-fight/

 

 

"Americans are exceptional."

 

Barry said so.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:24 | 6639158 hedgeless_horseman
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There has never been a better time for Americans to move much closer to to their jobs.  When the petrol dollar dies, gasoline prices in the USA are going to equalize with other places like Europe.  Think $10 per gallon.  Adios suburbia.

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:26 | 6639217 WordSmith2013
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http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/russian-missiles-hit-is-in-syria-...

 

Russia Sends The USA A HUGE Message From The Caspian Sea

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:31 | 6639261 SWRichmond
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And then there's the alleged "we're up in the sky more than the Russians" BS.  Check out this airstrikes map:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261603/Don-t-make-worse-Helicop...

The leaflets are funny, too.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:40 | 6639310 Latina Lover
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I am really enjoying Putin giving the USSA neocon/neoliberal hospital bombers a hard kick in the balls! They squeal worse than stuck pigs, LOL

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:43 | 6639330 The Juggernaut
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Holy shit, Russia just took back all the Military Industrial Complex's work in the region.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:47 | 6639368 SWRichmond
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I understand your comment, but I want to add that it is very much easier to destroy than to build, and those of us who prefer building to destroying are becoming fed up with the sociopathic lovers of destruction.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:50 | 6639381 The Juggernaut
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Beware of any stand down false flags!  Or any reason to jump into a needless MIC fight!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:04 | 6639452 Payne
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How in the heck is oil going to $100 a barrel when all the economies of the World are essentially on a Drug called the US dollar.

When the dollar disappears, most of the worlds economies go into contraction making the Great Depression look like a warmup.

Oil will be cheap but no one will have the money to buy it, fix a car, etc.  No jobs, no savings.  No sense.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:17 | 6639514 waterwitch
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Message from Putin to KSA: Up yours!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:51 | 6639385 Oh regional Indian
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@ HH, the electrics are coming, the electrics are coming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPOkf_1J83A

And decisivness has such a good feel to it in this absurd theater...

But that said, knowing the sneaks that sit in the corridors of power in the ZioCiato, all this folding is happening too fast...something stinks...

What IS the left hand doing while the right is waving the white flag?

Cannot trust anything/one on this....I hope it's not some ridiculous false flag in America/Europe...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:09 | 6639462 Ignatius
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Keep in mind also that there is a lot of slack in American's habits that can adjust to higher oil prices.  We are spolied and have normalized one-person-per-car living which can/will be adjusted in a pinch.

That's the power of understanding the 9/11 fraud, ORI.  Anything is possible.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:23 | 6639541 Oh regional Indian
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Very good point Ignatius...

But it will be done kicking and screaming...and repossessing and bounty hunting and loaning and lending...

Big American cities suck as it is...this will take the suck to a whole new level...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:34 | 6639585 Zerohedge fan
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yeah, yeah,

squeal, squeal like a pig,

Putin made  those neocons squeal like a pig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxUbv90lLI

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:45 | 6639919 TAALR Swift
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"Russia Sends The USA A HUGE Message From The Caspian Sea"

There is also a subtext message...

"Attention present and prospective customers of Russia's MIC: We can offer the same arms, tools and toys that the US, UK and France can -- at a fraction of the price, and with fewer maintenance issues. We do ask, however, that you use them with vigor in the battlefield, rather than dropping them for your enemies to just pick up -- a la ISIS".

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:29 | 6639232 J S Bach
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There is so much irony in all of these events.  But, when people allow phsychopaths to rule over their nation entirely... then logical and sane policies of any kind are the last thing one should expect.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:58 | 6639419 viahj
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if either through "strategery" or through incompetence of the US MIC/Administration, the effect of turning the ME and all of it's problems over to Russia and Iran....I have no problem with that.  bring our boys back home and fuck Israel & KSA, let them drown in their own piss.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:40 | 6639318 LawsofPhysics
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"Adios suburbia." --

 

Sounds fucking great to me HH!!!!!!

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:46 | 6639357 Calmyourself
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Yeah sounds great, I can finally immerse myself in the strength of diversity, be absorbed and crushed by cultures that have no idea of western values.  Maybe move into Minneapolis mmm savor that diversity, great plan....

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:45 | 6639643 LawsofPhysics
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Stupid is as stupid does, regardless.  Long past time to thin the herd anyway.  If stupid people want to facilitate their own demise, let them already.

same as it ever was...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:36 | 6639593 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Do explain why that 'Sounds fucking great' 

I'd prefer not to live in a 200 square foot apartment with my entire family you dipshit. You can shove that 'Sustainability' bullshit directly up your ass.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:44 | 6639631 LawsofPhysics
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We are a farming Co-op of most verterans.  Many of us have been in this business and the country/wilderness for generations.

Bugs like you talk tough all the time.  We understand sacrifice and the meaning real value and have no problem executing such insects.

Again, a return to hard work and real value,  Sounds fucking great you stupid fuck.  Don't want to live in that apartment, get off your ass and go to work.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:59 | 6639990 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Fairly certain you missed the point of what HH meant, in that many will be forced out of suburbia and into highly controlled 'sustainable' cities based on his theory that $10 a gallon gas and plummeting wages will limit the individuals ability to travel and work to these cities. Don't think he was refering to the already self-sufficient, already rural prepper types who aren't in suburbia when he said 'adios suburbia'. I wasn't referring to myself with regards to the apartment, I'm no where near suburbia nor will I ever be for any length of time. It was my take the plight and sentiment of what many will experience once Agenda-21 really kicks into high gear. 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:31 | 6640124 LawsofPhysics
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It will not work.  The herd will be thinned, period.  Get your tribe in order as chance always favors the prepared.

Again, same as it ever was!!!!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:09 | 6639772 Antifaschistische
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Hedgeless.....You nailed it nailed it nailed it.

And in Houston, where the fascist developers aligned with state/fed/county/city government have carefully archietected MEGA freeway systems to funnel the masses from their suburban homes with 6000 square feet (and 1,000 per month electricity bills) on their 60 to 80 per/day round trip to work........this demographic will get slaughtered three ways.  First by gas costs, second by their A/C bill, then by their crushed home price.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:11 | 6639777 alangreedspank
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I think high gas prices in Europe are due more to their prohibitive tax structures than a currency issue IMO.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:29 | 6640113 Rubicon727
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My keen-eyed European friend strongly verifies what you have observed. Without the monstrous taxes on gas, the prices would be far more affordable.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 15:06 | 6640943 fallout11
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The same price is paid by Americans already, it is just hidden better via distributed imperial hegemony and massive MIC spending to "subsidize" liquid transport fuels.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:11 | 6639779 j0nx
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Sure move closer to work. Why didn't I think of that? Oh because the prices of 1000 sg foot cape cod homes built in the 50's start in the high 400's here for a fixer upper. The homes down the street built in the 80's START in the high 700's. Easy to say but harder to do.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:44 | 6640186 alangreedspank
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It's not the suburbs that will die, it's the concept and needs of "cities". As government ran infrastructure leading to cities (bridges, highways, etc.) crumbles and their maintenance slows economic trade to a crawl, firms will understand even more than they do now that having 500, 1000 employees working at the same place full time has no rationale. Plus a seat in a high rise building costs thousands of dollars.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 15:08 | 6640954 fallout11
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Well said, and a keen observation. Very few modern "jobs" actually require a person be physically present at some centralized location Monday-Friday, 8am-5pm, like it is still 1940. It only continues to perpetuate because the impetus for it to change hasn't arrived yet.
If gas prices skyrocket, expect changes in the workplace. 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:46 | 6639649 lostintheflood
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“We don’t really have a strategy, just a set of short-term engagements,” he said.

this is true on every level of american life and american strategy...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:08 | 6639765 Grimaldus
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"Americans are exceptional."

 

"Barry said so."

 

Well since the progressive usurper criminals have infested the FEDGOV (for over a hundred years now) "exceptional" has been lost to "criminal". Barry is a progressive and a criminal.

 

It would take a serious constitutional conservatism push-back to reverse the lawless progressive usurpation and degradation of American government.

 

The progressive stupid, it burns.

 

Grimaldus

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:14 | 6639132 JRobby
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Coverage by USSA MSM has been just incredible!!!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:43 | 6639339 laser
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Credibility was never their stong suit.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:53 | 6639397 Clint Liquor
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They used to 'cover' the news. Now they 'cover up' the news.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:53 | 6639674 savagegoose
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uncredible
there i fixed it for you

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:13 | 6639500 Squid Viscous
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my favorite was yesterday's CNN screamer : "PUTIN/ASSAD ALLIANCE THREATENING U.S. WAR ON ISIS"

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:41 | 6639322 laser
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The missiles flew over Iran and Iraq avoiding Turkish airspace.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:09 | 6640045 researchfix
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Two reasons:

Show the possibilities.

The Caspian ships are rearmed right now, simpler logistics.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:11 | 6639117 Perimetr
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Iraq has already asked for Russian help, just like Syria.

In other words, Russian interventions are legal, unlike those of the US. Not that it matters to Washington or the presstitutes that report the officlal story.

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:13 | 6640063 researchfix
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Seems like when Iraq goes to Kuwait the next time they can keep it.

And resupply some golden toilet seats which the US stole from them.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:19 | 6639164 Amun
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And here is a nice and live video from the Russian Ministry of Defence of this missiles leaving Caspian Sea for the "any target within Saudi Arabia and Qatar" range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMasnaAf_H4

 

 

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:17 | 6639515 Eisenhorn
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This situation just highlights the stupidity of the western game plan.

This has always been about natural gas lines through Syria into the southern EU.

The west needed to distract Russia with the debacle in the Ukraine to prevent her from being able to respond in Syria adequately.

That effort failed abysmally.

Syria is a Russian vassal state. From the beginning of this effort the endgame was ALWAYS you must be prepared to fight the Russians in Syria to achieve your goal. If you are not prepared for that eventuality, then your plan was doomed from the start.

Russian CANNOT allow Middle East natural gas to flow into the EU. The only thing keeping the Russians relevant geo-politically are their a) Nukes and b) EU reliance on Russian natural gas.

So since the Ukraine "force Russia to fight on two fronts" plan just crashed and burned, you now have to either fight them directly in Syria or tuck your tail and go home leaving the Middle East to the Russians.

We obviously will not abandon our gulf allies in the region, so at this point it is only a matter of time before we start shooting Russians and Iranians.

Grab your popcorn, it's about to get very ugly.

The psychopaths are truly running the asylum.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:43 | 6639632 JohninMK
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It might not only be about oil.

How about cutting Hesbollah's supply lines?

Think about Israels need for water as well as Europe's need for gas.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:16 | 6640069 researchfix
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Yes they need water to walk on.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 10:04 | 6644045 Eisenhorn
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Agreed John. There are many secondary and tertiary goals. In my opinion though the natural gas issue is the the primary catalyst.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:32 | 6639265 conscious being
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Looney thanks for the excellent, trippy, night launch video.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:57 | 6639396 Laddie
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@Looney

Turkish intelligence has always been very close with the Mossad and Shin Bet.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:03 | 6639084 ZH Snob
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once again, the US silence is deafening.  this lack of action might be the USA's smartest policy move yet.  break the pnac grip and let them all figure it out for themselves.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:03 | 6639447 Max Cynical
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Not hearing anything from our "coalition" partners either.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:17 | 6640076 researchfix
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Them waiting for orders.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:21 | 6639531 Urban Redneck
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The PR whores can do their thing (or not), however, the professionals now have a fuck ton of work to do... This is first time we have actually seen Russian modern combined arms deployment and coordination in a multilateral structure (Ukraine is basically strictly special forces, and even the somewhat dated technology of the Georgia deployment wasn't multinational).  The shear volume of paper that the desk jockeys at the Pentagram (and NATO) now need to push ASAP is mind boggling... 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:08 | 6640014 Element
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This is all rah-rah and bullshit, they have 32 jets dropping iron bombs and some helicopters. The availability of the jets on any given day will be about 75%, and that will fall further if they can not keep logistics, spares, fuel and bombs up to them. So maybe 20 to 24 aircraft ready to fly on a good day. That's it  And that, dropping iron bombs is going to do stuff all any time soon.

26 cruise missiles again is not much, even if they all struck targets, which they won't have. There is every possibility the Russians will struggle to maintain the tempo of air operations and effects accumulation so supplement with naval strikes.

Syria is a large state with about 15 million people and a lot of armed groups, if there is no SA (which I think is total BS btw) then you think ISIS are going to just let Iran into 'their' territory, which they just fought for and won against the SA? Panic and dissipate, just like that?

Don't think so.

What will happen is if Iran invades, the Saudis, Turks and Israelis will all attack and/or invade as well.

Then Moscow will have a real problem on its hands.

All this rah rah stuff is pretty much bullshit. Tyler seems to have no sense of proportions and is off on another fantasy jaunt. First the imaginary alleged Qatari pipeline project, and now an imaginary juggernaut and 'coup'.

All propaganda bullshit, bugger-all substance.

The Pentagon and NATO analysts won't be fooled at all, they will be doing the numbers and tallying effects and the Generals will realize this is all much ado about not very much, backed by a shit-storm of propaganda and unrealistic wishful thinking.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:20 | 6640091 researchfix
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Sorry, you are as wrong here as a missionary on a cannibal island. And as short.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 02:36 | 6643130 Element
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You could try addressing the topic one day.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:52 | 6640202 Paveway IV
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This may be over-hyped, Element, buy exactly how many JaS/JaN/ISIS head-choppers (and the left-over FSA among them) do you figure there really are left? 25K? Even with 50K it's too many to supply and not enough to hold any real estate. A few thousand fresh fighers and air support may be enough to chase the head-choppers into the desert.  

"...What will happen is if Iran invades, the Saudis, Turks and Israelis will all attack and/or invade as well..."

Iran is already there - they were asked to come there just like the Russians were. Iran isn't INVADING their ally Syria if they get asked to send troops - any more than Russia is invading Syria. And IF the Iranians came en masse and the Sauds/Turks/Israel invaded Syria, then they would all legitimately be on the Russian hit list. Russia isn't there to fight ISIS, it's there to fight anyone in Syria opposing Assad. If the Turks/SA/Israel attacked or invaded Syria, they would be legitimately targeted. 

Russia attacking Turkish troops in Syria isn't going to trigger a NATO response - Turkey is not being attacked or invaded on it's home soil. Obama wouldn't stick his nose in there if Turkey/SA/Israel did something so stupid. Different story if Syria went INTO Turkey or Israel, but that's not going to happen.

I recognize that Israel will go ballistic if they see Iranian troops in Syria, but they have no right (by international law) to do anything about it. Bibi will squeal like a pig if that happens, but he can hardly make a case for his little bitches in the U.S. congress to start WWIII. I know he doesn't 'like' Iran and would feel threatened by their presence in Syria, but if they're not attacking Israel then he can't do jack about it. On the contrary, if Israel DID invade Syria, that would trigger a whole cascade of shit from their neighbors that they would regret, but worst of all put them against Russia. How do you think that would work out for them?

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 02:35 | 6643128 Element
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"Iran is already there - they were asked to come there just like the Russians were. Iran isn't INVADING their ally Syria if they get asked to send troops -"

Tell Tyler, don;t tell me, and stop playing dumb, I know perfectly well the Iranians have been there since 2011.

U.S. Says Iran Helps Crackdown in Syria April 14, 2011

Did you not read the article? Here is the title:

"Russian Warships Launch Missile Attack On Syrian Targets, Clearing Way For Iran Ground Invasion"

And this is in its text:

"... because as we outlined in “Mid-East Coup: As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic", this was the plan all along."

Tyler is talking about actual Iranian military invasion of Syria. Like it or not.

You can pretend the Saudis, Turks and Israelis are really naughty if they respond, but it's not going to make any difference.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 03:03 | 6643165 Rock On Roger
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Did Rita Katz film that?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 14:13 | 6640650 spyware-free
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Ah. And here comes DC's favorite MIC mouthpiece to spread conjecture and piss on facts. Face it buddy, your act is old and boring on this board. Your bullshit belies reality and I would direct you to Yahoo or CNN where your "theories" will be better accepted.
Please ask your DC controllers to send in komrade Baghdad Bob who has slightly more credibility than you.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 02:47 | 6643138 Element
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Your BS and avoidance won't work, address the topic directly and you might get somewhere.  ;-)

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:17 | 6639519 SteveNYC
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Boiling this down to its simplest form: Syria and Iraq have seen hundreds of thousands of civilian and other deaths over the past 12 years (Iraq) and 5 years (Syria). Both countries have given permission to the Russians to either operate within the country, or utilize airspace, to strike what they consider "bad" elements. 

The countries that have suffered minimally during this time (Saudi, Qatar, Turkey, USA, all of Europe etc.) all object to the victims finding a way to stop the mass violence, once and for all. All are jockeying for some form of involvement, counter to the desires of the victim governments.

It is being positioned to the proles that Russia is now de-stabilizing the region. We all know you can't make this shit up.....

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:03 | 6639736 Sweet Chicken
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The last time a black man was beaten this badly Apollo Creed died. 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:14 | 6639790 tempo
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nat. gas will not flow from Saudi to EU. All gas to EU will be controlled by Russia/Iran. This war was a cheap way to screw SA and EU and making trillions for Russia/Iran. Its always about resources.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:01 | 6639047 Dr. Engali
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It's a good day for another round of golf. I swear, this has got to be some of the most fucked up stupid shit I have ever seen the U.S do. Spend trillions destroying and then rebuilding Iraq, destabilizing all of the middle east, and now the whole world laughs at the lumbering retard giant as Russia rubs our face in our folly.  

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:25 | 6639203 pods
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But Doc, if the US were to simply win the war, the $$ would not flow until the next (created) war.  

Think of it as customer retention.  It costs much more energy to create a whole new enemy than to just keep the one you have.

Bankers and MICs think like this.

pods

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:40 | 6639319 taoJones
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The "razors" are free... the blades on the other hand cost a billion $ a piece

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:14 | 6639503 Zwelgje
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Iraq was never rebuild. Still no sewage in Baghdad. US embassy looks great though.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:48 | 6639346 Grandad Grumps
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For a variety of reasons I have come to believe in demonic possession. When fucked up stupid shit makes no sense then one must look for other explanations... if one cares.

Maybe Hitler was killed in the Beer Hall Putsch and he was replaced by a demonic entity who turned a small time protester into Der Fuhrer.

Maybe one can only explain Mao, who WAS a man of the volk, but then ended up murdering 30 million of his own people, by considering that he might just have been taken over or replaced by malevolent beings.

Stalin, Lincoln, Genghis Khan ... and Barry O'bomber. Mass murderers all. Why not remote controlled Robobamma or demonically possessed Robobamma? What do we really know about the technology of our bodies and mind?

Laugh and down-vote away.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:58 | 6639426 J Jason Djfmam
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I think it's just a matter of getting to a point where you just don't give a fuck anymore.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:17 | 6639485 Grandad Grumps
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Maybe.

They cared about their wars and killing, but not about the people? The "Madeleine Albright sociopathy" (a newly identified disease only affecting the powerful).

There was a point in my life where I thought that it was strength to be able to ignore the human aspect of decisions and to just make the best "business" decision. Not any more.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:57 | 6639971 Victor von Doom
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As I've already stated, it's not necessarily so clear cut. The role of a Prince is an uncaring one. It is not relevant as to whether or not a Prince has a heart and mourns the loss of his people/soldiers or not. In certain circumstances he must risk their lives regardless, or lose power. Since an actual worldly Prince is literally the sovereignty of a nation incarnate any loss of power has catastrophic results for his people.

The Prince, when faced with these realities must chose the lesser of two evils. By doing this he may condemn a part or all of his army/people to death - but the enemy is leaving him no choice.

Of course, a reckless Prince that abandons statesmanship and seeks adventurism is as much a threat to his people as his enemies.

When it comes to examples like Albright, her proven sociopathic behaviours have probably more to do with the fact that she is a "Chosenite", and that in her eyes the lives of 500,000 children of the Goy are deemed no loss at all - if anything, a bonus.

This is not the aloof stature of a Prince, but the crazed frothings of a religious zeolot. Don't confuse the two.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:05 | 6640026 roisaber
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I always thought the Tao te Ching was a better book on leadership than The Prince.

"He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?

He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral."

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 13:20 | 6640337 Victor von Doom
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Nice. Yes, I agree - the best of Princes will have a human soul - Philosopher Kings. 

The world is a sorry place for their scarcity.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:00 | 6639723 shovelhead
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I vote batshit crazy.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:18 | 6639796 roisaber
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I'm with you. You can argue semantics; you can argue particulars; but I think David Icke is right. The alien invasion happened tens of thousands of years ago - and we lost.

Tribal shamans spent all their time conspiring against the shaman of the tribe next door and inventing divinely-granted excuses for why they get the best hock of meat - instead of doing their goddamn jobs and fighting the invasion.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:03 | 6640018 TAALR Swift
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'Demons' is a term that primitive man used for what they could not understand.

I think the modern equivalent would be a Manchurian Candidate, via an implant or Alien Abduction.

I use the term 'Alien' loosely, as it can, but need not apply to an Extra-Terrestrial Alien. There are plenty of Terrestrial Aliens, working their way into the halls of power and influence all the time, if history is a guide.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:25 | 6640105 researchfix
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Beer Hall Putsch

+1 for that one

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:11 | 6639487 centerline
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It's almost as if this is playing out according to some plan.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:13 | 6639499 Grandad Grumps
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Bingo ... so who all are in on it? Everyone in power?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:26 | 6639554 centerline
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Who knows.  But it sure smells to high heaven.  My bullshit detector is pinging like mad.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:17 | 6639802 savagegoose
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the weak point is the mind.  it maybe not the leaders are evil, it could be that the ones who press to activators  into their mind  are evil, or the ones who programmed their minds to be easily activated once in pisistions of power, schools, religion, dark social societies. these leaders could just be " useful tools " for someone

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:12 | 6639496 metaStable
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While I dont support his campaign, Trump is right to point out that US leaders are morons. Neocons in DC should have (during Putin's first term) offered Russia NATO membership instead of pissing in his front yard and bending over for the house of Saud. The loyalty to the house of Saud runs deep in our establishment.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:07 | 6639983 Tall Tom
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During the initial invasion of Iraq the USA advanced upon Baghdad without much resistance and took the city within weeks.

 

Hussein's government fell and I remember quite clearly that asshole, George W. Bush, flying onto a US Aircraft Carrier with a banner over the Island, below the bridge, stating, "Mission Accomplished".

 

Actually the mission was accomplished and America spent many years fighting an insurgency that only grew in size to counter the invasion. Blackwater, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Haliburton, et al, became wealthy from the spoils of that accomplished mission as that was the goal after all.

 

Now I am watching a Russian version of Blitzkrieg over in Syria I am watching the Russian version of the same PRO WAR propaganda spewed upon these pages.

 

I am old enough to remember the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan and the quagmire that it developed into as it was the final straw that destroyed the USSR Economy and exacerbated an accelerated collapse of that regime.

 

Yes the USSR advanced rapidly into the Afghan Nation, taking Kabul rapidly, and becoming enveloped into a quagmire.

 

Many of you WARMONGERS will write that,"It is different this time." while, time and time again, that has been demonstrated far from the case. Yet you warmongers refuse to learn...USA Warmongers, Russian Warmongers, American Cheerleaders, and Russian Cheerleaders, alike.

 

Assad and the Syrian Nation has no real love or respect for the Russians or the Iranians, both who will be the occupation army as the Syrian Army has all but been demoralized and destroyed.

 

What will develop is a deep resentment of occupation and an ever growing insurgency.

 

Yes they will welcome you with open arms...as "liberators".

 

Yeah. LMAO at y'all.

 

Enjoy your fucking quagmire. You deserve it.

 

Maybe Latina Lover and Datura can lament as their relatives are returned in Body Bags.

 

And all of those companies whih I listed above will garner a profit, along with Russian Arms Manufacturers, Chinese Arms Manufacturersand others...from the spilled blood from this.

 

War is a racket and you will never learn. Stupid fucks.

 

Same as it ever was...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:29 | 6640114 researchfix
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"Yes the USSR advanced rapidly into the Afghan Nation, taking Kabul rapidly"

It may have been so easy because the government asked them for help. Like now in Syria.

Learn history, don´t turn history.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:56 | 6639049 waterwitch
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So long KSA pipeline.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:11 | 6639116 Falling Down
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Tru dat.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:27 | 6639229 ThirdWorldDude
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That was Vladimir Vladimirovich's birthday present!  ;)

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:30 | 6640118 researchfix
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There can always be a pipeline. Under new owners.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:57 | 6639051 dimwitted economist
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BOOM!

 

shit's getting REAL?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:59 | 6639061 LawsofPhysics
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Well, one should be optimistic.  We do have a 2nd amendment, for now...

People need to realize that that has nothing to do with recreational gun use or home protection.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:16 | 6639152 unplugged
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one day we will get back to teaching real history in high school...

 

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." 

--Thomas Jefferson

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:36 | 6640144 TAALR Swift
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If this Jefferson aphorism is the philosophical 'North Star' on the matter of Citizens owning arms, and if there is a problem with criminals or unstable minds using said arms on their shooting sprees, then the root cause and the solution lies in dealing with criminals and unstable minds. The logic is irrefutable. But the politics of it may not be.

Thus we see the spin doctors and talking heads on TV, the Online and Printed Media (Radio and TV news, comedy and talk shows, etc) -- all creating "fodder for the masses", as they compete for TV market share and manage their careers and opulent lifestyles. Which part of any of this is surprising?

"Oh, look here, a skittle-pooping unicorn!" seems to work quite well on the masses, it seems.

If you don't define and own 'The Argument', if you don't define and own the Terms/Words used, then you cannot hope to win over the masses or a significant debate against TPTB, and in time they will prevail with their Arms agenda.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:40 | 6639611 Questan1913
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"Well, one should be optimistic.  We do have a 2nd amendment, for now...

People need to realize that that has nothing to do with recreational gun use or home protection."

 

"...for now......"?

The 2nd amendment is forever bub.....all able bodied men comprise the  'well regulated' (trained) citizen militia.  Tens of millions of former military took an oath  to oppose "all enemies, foreign and domestic"  Especially domestic.

Every time a goverment "imbed" spills a massive amout of innocent blood  to further the goal of disarming Americans, hundreds of thousands go out and buy every weapon they can get their hands on....hardly the action of spineless zombies who are cowering at the confiscation bluster, eh?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:16 | 6639148 NYPoke
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I think that should be "Shiites getting real?".

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:25 | 6639213 bunnyswanson
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For Shizzlrael

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:56 | 6639052 Normalcy Bias
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I wonder if the Russians have any idea of how many American citizens are rooting for them in Syria...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:02 | 6639077 JRobby
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Perhaps. Not hard to imagine a new wave of security measures in the USSA resulting from out latest war for Peace & Liberty for ALLLLLLLL!!!!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 11:51 | 6639958 Winston Churchill
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Hope yo're joking. I'm still trying to work out which avatar Vlad posts under.

We have trolls from most intelligence agencies already posting, so of course they do.

The do report back.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 13:23 | 6640331 MEAN BUSINESS
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yo Winston, I'm a little busy at the moment putting an end to the "War On Terror" but how 'bout we get together for dinner one evening in Paris this December? Say, would you be interested in co-sponsoring that Forum I mentioned in my speech last week? Give it some thought. Hope to see you soon.

V

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:03 | 6640013 Victor von Doom
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That's the problem with Chosenite politics. Act like a cunt to everyone else in the world except your own, because yours are blessed by YWH and the others are just dross to be slaughtered out of hand and, sooner or later everyone in the world hates you.

The Jews. The most prosecuted - not persecuted - people in history.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:58 | 6639053 LawsofPhysics
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Many of my former colleagues in the military have stated plainly that they cannot wait for Putin to eliminate ISIS and sit back to watch the politcal fallout in the U.S. The political puppets need to be executed, period.  Expose some of the oligarchs, granted we all know they play both sides as all wars are bankers wars...

Keep hoping for a military coup to clean out D.C. and Wall Street, one needs to be optimistic.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:08 | 6639103 rbg81
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Exactly.  I am a veteran, but have zero confidence in anything this Administration does.  It is ironic that people have more faith in Putin's leadership and motives than that of our POTUS.  At least what Putin is doing makes logical sense.  No one can figure out WTF Obama is doing or why.  In fact, the answers to those questions are probably far more disturbing than the question.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:30 | 6639256 LawsofPhysics
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My hypothesis is that, in large part, the vast majority of people in politics today have never worked in the real world.  They had massive trust funds (Kennedys, Bush, Clinton etc.) or have managed to get into politics (sell their soul) to an oligarch or corporate early in life. War should never be entered into unless you plan on bringing the full might of your military to bear.  Clearly identify your enemy, if you cannot do this, there is no enemy.  Once identifed, eliminate your enemy until you have full submission or surrender.

In addition, the power to wage war in the first place should reside in congress, period.  This has been usurpted!!!  The executive branch (like most corporate management) is doing things to save itself, wall street, at the expense of everyone else!!!

Remember;

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

There is a reason why the executive branch of both parties continues to bailout bankers/financiers (been like this for 30+ years) and is pushing hard on gun control right now.

But I digress.

One way to make sure that everyone has at least some real world experience and to make sure that we stop enriching the MIC is to make military service manditory for everyone.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:14 | 6639506 unplugged
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"make military service manditory for everyone"

2 years worth, right after you stop going to (graduate or drop-out of) either high school or college

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:25 | 6639548 Urban Redneck
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That is about the only point where I fully agree with Charlie Rangel (albeit for slightly different reasons).

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:38 | 6640149 BarkingCat
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Clinton did not have a trust fund.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:55 | 6640239 TAALR Swift
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If, as you outline, (1) the country waged a 'just' war that an less-manipulated populace can endorse (for more than a few weeks or months), and (2) if had the Military Draft again, then...

We could honestly say "Support Our Troops", rather than "Support Our Mercenaries"

And then, hopefully, future politicians will know the horrors of war first hand, future VP candidates won't Draft-dodge because they had "Better things to do", and future POTUS candidates won't have to have their military record edited and sanitized for extended AWOL and rehab issues.

Of course, this all presupposes that future wars won't be "Bankers' wars".

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:30 | 6639258 Infinite QE
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You know, whenever I read POTUS, my mind just defaults to piece-of-shit as the immediate intrepretation. Funny how that works.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:10 | 6640043 Victor von Doom
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The only "army" you want to clean out D.C. and Wall Street is made up of the "regulated milita" - not the rank and file of the USAC.

You'd just end up with a military dictatorship that would in turn be bought out by bankers.

What you are looking for is a disemination of power back to the people, not further concentration into the hands of elites.

The chances that a US General would turn out to be a Putin clone ie a worldly Prince are low to none. Incompetance or corruption and ultimately further tyranny are the likely outcomes.

Be careful what you wish for...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:37 | 6640147 LawsofPhysics
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LOL!!!  What anyone "wishes for" is fucking irrelevant as that which cannot be sustained won't be, period.

same as it ever was!!!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 13:28 | 6640360 Victor von Doom
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That's a given, obviously - but the roundabout way to sustainable government isn't the best. Take Revolutionary France- first the grossly incompetant and corrupt Louis XVI, then the French Terror, then the appalling government of the Directorate, before you finally get Napoleon. He brought stable government back to France, but failed in his abandonment of statesmanship and plunged France back into chaos. Peace was only finally restored with his fall.

I was just pointing out that throwing your lot behind US Generals is probably not a wise move as the dividends that would pay would most likely not be to the peoples liking. Make of it what you will.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 13:38 | 6640435 BarkingCat
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Schwarzkopf could have been that kind of man. Regrettably he is no longer amongst the living.
The rest of the generals and admirals that are active are a bunch of fags.
You'd have to have a colonel lead it to be done by someone who is not subservient to the power structure.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 08:59 | 6639058 socalbeach
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Massive strike with precision weapons on targets in Syria LIH of the Caspian Sea (2 mins)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMasnaAf_H4

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:05 | 6639088 general ambivalent
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Doomed to fail. I don't see any humvee paradropping going on.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:09 | 6639108 socalbeach
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And that clown Rubio wants to confront Russia in Syria.  Good way to get us all killed.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:21 | 6639181 unplugged
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and Putin will say we are there "to save ISIS" - how's that gonna look to the world?  - checkmate

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:34 | 6640137 Gavrikon
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Die, fuckwad. Die!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 13:03 | 6640276 TAALR Swift
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I continue to be amazed that snot-nosed lawyer-politicians, like Marco Rubio, have traction with the public and media, when they could not get a "real job" outside the government or the MIC.

I'd like to see the likes of him negotiate any kind of business deal against the likes of Trump, Buffet, etc.  Why, he'd become poorer than his cousins/family in Cuba.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 17:21 | 6641789 BarkingCat
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Rule #1 - Never, ever vote for a lawyer.

No matter how much you agree with what they say. Never vote for one. The percentage of lying scum within their ranks is not worth taking a change.
Your odds are higher at finding a sober Irishman at a St. Patties parade than an honest lawyer politician.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:20 | 6639174 So It Goes
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One of the comments from that video when translated said "Happy birthday Vladimir - nice fireworks".

Just saying.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:34 | 6639285 GeezerGeek
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"The attacks apparently required cooperation from Iran and Iraq, as the missiles had to travel through their airspace to reach Syria."

If they were a true global superpower, like the ObamaNation, they wouldn't need any cooperation. I recall that during the 2008 election, in response to some question, Obama proclaimed that he would just go into Pakistan to accomplish whatever he was talking about. Nothing about getting permission at all. From the MSM, just crickets. I was aghast. It turns out he meant it, just as when he promised to fundamentally transform the USSA.

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:05 | 6639067 conscious being
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Putin: "Who created ISIS?"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZDyr2LkdI 7:13 minutes.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:01 | 6639068 agent default
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The US will cut and run but there is one thing that I have no answer for.  If Russia settles in the ME, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will have to play nice since it will become obvious that the US cannot and will not help them.  So two things happen.  Either they drop the dollar, or regime change and then they drop the dollar.  Either way the petrodollar is finished.  What does the US intend to do about this and how far are they willing to go?  I honestly don't have any sort of answer for this situation.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:29 | 6639200 flapdoodle
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The *really* big problem with the US Deep State is the following:

1) The US Dollar as World Reserve Currency is based on, well, the fact that it is the WRC. The "faith" the rest of the world invests in the Dollar is only backed by momentum - and the perceived preeminence of the US armed forces.

2) Just as the first Iraqi war was seminal in the fall of the Soviet Union IMHO when the world (and particularly the Soviet military analysts) were able to see the overwhelming technical superiority of the US smart weapons and the ease with with the US disposed of Saddam's huge standing army (breaking the illusion that the Soviet Union was a superpower on the par with the US), the move into Syria by Russia by the invitation of the legal government of Syria is in my opinion just as historic and seminal, the bell weather for a major sea-change in the the power structure of the world.

3) Russia in Syria has, at least in its first appearances, greatly neutralized ISIS, which was touted as a huge almost invincible juggernaut, putting on a clinic of technical prowess and coordination almost comparable to the US effort in Iraq 1.

4) The paradigm of the all powerful US military has taken a big hit, if not by its lack of technical superiority (the F35 fiasco does not inspire confidence in US technical capability), but by its intentions, will, and compentence. the MSF hospital in Kunduz fiasco in juxaposition with the well planned Russian strikes against ISIS (which the US supposedly has been attacking for 13 months), raises the question: if you needed someone to protect you, do you trust the Russian military or the US military?

5) The above question is a fatal doubt intruding into the all powerful US paradigm - if the Saudis and other important players (Germany!) start to question US power and cozy up to the Russians, the US petrodollar is done for, and with it US dollar as WRC - the US as a nation will start an inevitable slide into third world status if that occurs. Imagine what happens for example if the US has to pay its military budget from actual assets or savings rather than just print dollars it needs to buy the hugely expensive F35 or send billions to Israel...

6) What gives pause are what the US might do about what has just happened in Syria. The most rabid neocons may push the US into a poorly thought out confrontation, and get us all killed in the worst case.

7) Whatever response the US tries will not change the death of the US Dollar as WRC. The only question is how soon it will be cast aside (and my gut tells me it will be relatively soon, regardless of how "oversubscribed" dollar denominated debt is to the actual number of dollars in circulation)

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:30 | 6639250 agent default
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The dollar is the reserve currency because that's what OPEC demands in exchange for oil.  The moment this changes, the only momentum behind the dollar will be the containers full of dollars flung back to the US.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:50 | 6639379 conscious being
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Right snd OPEC demands $'s because they don't want to get bombed, etc. It's military force, or death controls as Radical would say, enforcing dollar acceptance. When the threat is no longer believable, countries will be free to dump the dollar and stop paying the imperial tax.

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:31 | 6639568 Urban Redneck
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No. The dollar is the WRC and maintains that status because BANKERS structure and denominate financial markets around USD hegemony and complementary (arbitrageable) currencies.  If the 6 largest oil traders in Geneva changed the preferred denomination of their PAPER oil contracts to EUR, CNY, or basket tomorrow, the impact on WRC would be orders of magnitude larger than ANYTHING that OPEC ministers could ever do.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 17:29 | 6641817 BarkingCat
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Nah, it is really the liquidity of the debt markets.
US debt market is the only one deep enough for everyone to invest in. The dollar is also a awesome currency...when you compare it to all the others there.
That's eroding but as the dollar heads into the toilet the completing currencies are already circling the drain or have entered the sewer.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:05 | 6639457 Omen IV
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you give no value to Iran in your analysis -

the Russian weapons and tactics coupled in a few weeks with Iran on the ground with Soleimani leading will tell  SA  - its over - from Iran to Libya will potentially be at peace - if the SA fuck around they will be taken out - The Princes want Mansions in London / Paris / LA with binders full of women and Ferrari's - they are lovers not warriors

 

we will have Iraq firmly under Iran control with the Kurds with their own land driving  Erdogan crazy and the USA Fucking the world somewhere else

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 17:36 | 6641860 BarkingCat
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If Assad wants to give a big fuck you to Turkey, he would give Kurds an state/province of their own. Keep it as part of Syria, but local administration would be there. Keeping it part of Syria would provide the Kurds protection of the Syrian state. Right now that might not seem like much, but they are protected by Russia.
Eventually Syria should be able to recover and be capable of self defense against regional aggressors.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:17 | 6639513 BarkingCat
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We don't want to see Russia become dominant and US collapse.
What we want is at least one more equal power to keep the children in check.
That is exactly what those psychopaths in government are - children. They sure behave like it.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 10:41 | 6639614 J Jason Djfmam
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#6 Nuke everybody that won't play our game. Plenty of jobs after that! Supersarc!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:29 | 6639245 TheObsoleteMan
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I said the same thing last week. The Saudis will have no choice but to do as their new "protectors" say. There is really only one of two conclusions one can draw from this situation: 1. Obama and the US Military/Intelligence  apparatus is completely incompetent, and out of their league. 2. This humiliating defeat and exit from the leadership role in the ME was part of a strategy planned awhile back to weaken the US leviathan, and thus make it easier to be absorbed into a single global government. This is just the first step. After the loss of it's reserve currency status, The US will truly be on it's knees and vulnerable to complete liquidation, similar to the same fate that the USSR experienced twenty five years ago.  

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:33 | 6639277 LawsofPhysics
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That which cannot be sustained, won't be. The Soviet Union collapsed because of the hubris and greed of those in power.

The collapse of the U.S. will be no different.

same as it ever was...

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 14:09 | 6640619 Volkodav
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collapsed cos of non russians took power

us is same, only worse is possible

 

 

 

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 17:41 | 6641903 BarkingCat
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Collapsed because it was a horrible economic system.
It sucked the spirit out of people.
Russia is still not over that experience.
They are lucky they have Putin because he is restoring people's pride in their own country.
He has a horribly difficult job.
Weeding out corruption and ripping power from the oligarchy.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:39 | 6639309 GeezerGeek
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I vote for option 2. And if the USA as a whole doesn't roll over sufficiently, if Obama and his masters cannot sufficiently degrade America, a war can always be manufactured to finish it off. Actually, an EMP attack would be even better, as the USA would self-destruct in a matter of days or weeks.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:08 | 6640040 Winston Churchill
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There is no vote, and the simpler explaination(1) is correct.

ALL human empires have fallen the same way, the only difference is the speed.

Hubris and greed are the main causes.Those in power end up dividing their own, intead of

the vassals population.Gay marriage,abortion, etc are but the symptoms of the terminal phase.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:25 | 6640102 Victor von Doom
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Both yes and no to that assumption. Yes, your basic premise is correct, but America and its Americans are also subject to vaste cultural distortion - blowing out these unhealthy tendencies to levels that they otherwise would not obtain. This is not a normal cultural phenomena, but is distortion of culture, brought on by the enemy of the West - the Zio/Jew/Banksters that rule the US.

The US is Exceptional now - certainly in their eyes. After all, they are Chosen.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 18:15 | 6642032 Razor_Edge
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To both Winston and Victor, I think this link explains it all;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs

And look at all of those wonderful waspish names, clearly they are the scions of western culture and philosophy. Not. This video traces the progress of western dissolution, decadence and depravity.

When you abandon the values that led to pre-eminence, you scoop out the very foundations upon which your culture is based. I'm not saying that Western culture has been a paragon of virtue at any time in the past, as no culture ever is. But perhaps the loftier elements of our culture could mitigate some of the evil, and maintain so kind of relatively stable balance. Abandon the higher elements of your culture, and what's left just collapsing into depraved evil.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:32 | 6639264 johand inmywallet
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Putin's strategy is not a short term thought, he is in it for the long term and kill. Once he masters the ME, you can bet the price of oil is well over 750 Remnibi a barrel.Oh, get ready for massive hyperinflation here in Amerika, just in time for Christmas. Puti is not going to fuck around, he's going to kick our ass.

Who is the leading manufacturer of body bags, might want to dump some coin in that company if its traded!

Has Obabamama even come out from under the sheets yet?

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:32 | 6639268 LawsofPhysics
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That which cannot be sustained, won't be.

What always happens is demographics and the laws of Nature and physics re-assert themselves.

Hedge accordingly, it's all you can do anyway.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:46 | 6639359 madmax1965
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I have been thinking that maybe this is all part of "the plan" by TPTB to sew the demise of the U.S. and start fresh with Russia and China in the superpowers role. A whole new flock to fleece.

Who knows, that seems way to difficult to ever put together. however, the ineptitude of our .gov is unbelievable!

They (.gov) definitely sold us plebes out long ago! End the fed!

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 12:38 | 6640155 researchfix
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Of course, they will not drop the dollar.

But they accept yuan.

Wed, 10/07/2015 - 09:01 | 6639070 Calmyourself
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War would not be good for my GDP growth but pretty sure the MIC and deep state don't care.

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