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NATO Threatens To Send In Troops After Russia Stations Ground "Battalion" In Syria
As the propaganda “war” between East and West intensifies ahead of what might ultimately transform into an actual war in the skies above Syria, the world is transfixed with the scope of Russia’s week-old military campaign in support of the Assad regime.
Thanks to the fact that the West selected Islamic militants as its anti-Assad weapon of choice, Putin gets to pitch the entire effort as a “war on terror” which means The Kremlin effectively has a license to brag and sure enough, slickly-produced ISIS videos of beheadings have now been definitively replaced by slickly-produced videos of Russian warships launching cruise missiles at terrorist targets.
In short, Moscow is on a roll both militarily (of course that’s not difficult when you’re a superpower playing against a couple of JV militias) and perceptually, which makes it possible to continually ratchet up the pressure on anti-regime forces as the global applause only seems to grow with each incremental escalation much to chagrin of both the Pentagon and Washington’s Mid-East allies and as we said earlier this week, "a very likely course of events is that despite Russia's denials, the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a 'small', at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, 'fight ISIS', but really to do everything to prevent Russian troops from taking over key strategic positions."
On Thursday we get the latest set of headlines from Syria, starting with NATO asserting that Russia has a ground battalion at the ready supported by tanks. Here’s Reuters:
Russia's military build-up in Syria includes a "considerable and growing" naval presence, long-range rockets and a battalion of ground troops backed by Moscow's most modern tanks, the U.S. ambassador to NATO said on Wednesday.
Speaking on the eve of a NATO defense ministers meeting to be dominated by Russia's intervention in Syria's civil war, U.S. Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute said Moscow had managed a "quite impressive" military deployment over the past week to its Syria naval base in Tartous and its army base in Latakia.
"There is a considerable and growing Russia naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean, more than 10 ships now, which is a bit out of the ordinary," he told a news briefing.
"The recent Russian reinforcements over the last week or so feature a battalion-size ground force ... There is artillery, there are long-range rocket capabilities, there are air defense capabilities," Lute said.
A battalion is typically around 1,000 soldiers.
Western officials say that in strategic terms, Russia's new air strike campaign in Syria appears designed to help reverse rebel gains increasingly endangering Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, protect Russian military assets in the country including its sole Mediterranean port, and reassert Moscow’s place as a big international power competing with the United States.
"The force that they have deployed down there is actually quite impressive for a rapid deployment of a week or so," Lute said. "(It is) all arms, combined arms, attack aircraft, it is the attack helicopters and artillery, rocket artillery."
And that means NATO needs to indicate that it too is willing to deploy troops via Turkey, where Ankara will simply acquiesce to anything the West wants to do as long as Washington turns a blind eye to Erdogan’s “war” with the PKK which is far more important domestically than any conflict with ISIS or Russia because Erdogan is effectively fighting to secure the “right” to change the country’s constitution and thereby consolidate his power. Here’s Reuters again:
NATO said it was prepared to send troops to Turkey to defend its ally after violations of Turkish airspace by Russian jets bombing Syria and Britain scolded Moscow for escalating a civil war that has already killed 250,000 people.
Officials at the U.S.-led alliance are still smarting from Russia's weekend incursions into Turkey's airspace near northern Syria and NATO defense ministers are meeting in Brussels with the agenda likely to be dominated by the Syria crisis.
"NATO is ready and able to defend all allies, including Turkey against any threats," NATO's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters as he arrived for the meeting.
"NATO has already responded by increasing our capacity, our ability, our preparedness to deploy forces including to the south, including in Turkey," he said, noting that Russia's air and cruise missile strikes were "reasons for concern".
As Russian and U.S. planes fly combat missions over the same country for the first time since World War Two, NATO is eager to avoid any international escalation of the Syrian conflict that has unexpectedly turned the alliance's attention away from Ukraine following Russia's annexation of Crimea last year.
The incursions of two Russian fighters in Turkish airspace on Saturday and Sunday has brought the Syria conflict right up to NATO's borders, testing the alliance's ability to deter a newly assertive Russia without seeking direct confrontation.
This, of course, is nothing more than an attempt to create an excuse to counter the Russians. The Russian warplanes that allegedly crossed into Turkey’s airspace obviously were not intending to bomb Ankara, so the only reason the West continues to focus on the story is to build a narrative that justifies sending ground troops in via Turkey.
Meanwhile, the Iran-sponsored ground cleanup crew is apparently on the move and advancing quickly:
Syrian troops and allied militia backed by Russian air strikes and cruise missiles fired from warships attacked rebels forces on Thursday as the government extended a major offensive to recapture territory in the west of the country.
Rebel advances in western Syria earlier this year had threatened the coastal region vital to President Bashar al-Assad's control of the area and prompted Russia's intervention on his side last week.
In a further show of force, the Russian defense ministry said missiles fired from its ships in the Caspian Sea hit weapons factories, arms dumps, command centers and training camps supporting Islamic State forces.
Ground forces loyal to the government targeted insurgents in the Ghab Plain area of western Syria, with heavy barrages of surface-to-surface missiles as Russian warplanes bombed from above, according to the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and a rebel fighting there.
It said rebels had shot down a helicopter in Hama province in western Syria. It was unclear if it was Syrian or Russian.
Syria said a major military operation was under way.
Yes, "ground forces loyal to the government" or, stripping away the facade, "Shiite ground forces loyal to Tehran" who, once the campaign in Syria is over, will cross right back into Iraq and continue the fight against Sunni extremists only now they'll be backed not only by the IRGC, but by the Russian army, and on that note, we close with the following from AFP:
Russian President Vladimir Putin's bullish entry into the Syrian conflict has worked wonders for his popularity in neighbouring Iraq, where some await "Hajji Putin" like a saviour.
Sitting at his easel in his central Baghdad workshop, painter Mohammed Karim Nihaya touches up a portrait of Putin he copied from the Internet.
"I have been waiting for Russia to get involved in the fight against Daesh," he says, referring to the Islamic State group that last year declared a "caliphate" straddling Iraq and Syria.
"They get results. The United States and its allies on the other hand have been bombing for a year and achieved nothing," the bespectacled artist says.

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The Nobel Prize Winner's war plan for Syria is failing though 300,000 Syrians already killed:
A recently released classified document obtained by WikiLeaks establishes that active US planning for regime-change predated the outbreak of the Syrian civil war by at least five years. The secret report from the head of the US Embassy in Damascus outlined “vulnerabilities” of the Syrian government that Washington could exploit. At the top of the list were fomenting “Sunni fears of Iranian influence” to cause sectarian conflict and taking advantage of “the presence of transiting Islamist extremists.”
Given that the document was written in 2006, at the height of Iraq’s sectarian carnage caused by the US invasion and Washington’s divide-and-rule tactics, these proposals were made with full awareness that they would provoke a bloodbath. Nearly a decade later, the bitter fruits of this policy include the deaths of some 300,000 Syrians, with another 4 million driven from the country and 7 million more internally displaced.
While cynically exploiting the suffering of the Syrian people to justify an escalation of US militarism, Washington is not about to let Russia derail its drive to impose its hegemony over the oil-rich Middle East and the entire planet.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/08/pers-o08.html
And War Crimes in Afghanistan don't help, althought of corse you would never know ANY of this from US MSM? Land of The Free...
Putin is the deranged "mass-murderer" per the free and fair press of the West
Western warmongers killed 1.5 million Muslims in 'war on terror'; falsely accuse Russia of '30 civilian casualties' in airstrikes against ISIS
http://www.sott.net/article/303143-Western-warmongers-killed-1-5-million...
Obama had been waging a fake war for over a year on his own creation, ISIS, - 6700 airstrikes and no effect :
Russia’s First Week in Waging a “Real” War on Terror. 112 Targets Struck. ISIS Forces Retreatinghttp://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-first-week-in-waging-a-real-war-on-...
NATO invasion of Syria should disabuse any notion NATO is defence alliance.
The truth laid bare: NATO is DC mafia goon squad.
I guess you are too young to know what NATO did to Yugoslavia, huh?
I remember, and I bet the Chinese remember too.
40 000 NATO troops in Turkey could well see a real Chinese response. When you have 1.2million soldiers and are engaged in exactly zero wars, you can spare 100 000 or so.
The more "participants" that join the party, the more uncontrollable the situation will become. WWIII
It was always going to be about oil (control)
One of the unintended consequences of Russia’s military action is exposing how stupid Kiev was claiming every five minutes they were fighting the Russian army and airforce. Also exposing the absurd attempts of msm journalists. I think many will see what has happened and grasp the fact that that if the Russians had entered it would have been over and out very quickly for the kiev junta. The west and nato is seething at this flexing of military muscle knowing that they have lost the plot/narrative big time here.
Also exposing the absurd attempts of msm journalists.
Many eyes now open, which explains the neccessity to not allow comments on Russian stories on several MSM sites, far to many comments critical of the Israel/US and their puppets.
Yes, this is happening, and other more subtle ways of tamping down dissent, too.
About a year ago, the local paper (McClatchy outfit, so not truly "local") added a new feature. If you want to comment to editorials, you now have to register with a 3rd party - Disqus.
That ends it for me, and who knows how many others with no desire to register with a 3rd part aggregator of personal info. Perhaps it is too much paranoia, but this 'service' allows you to register in one place with one ID and post on sites around the world. How convenient. All of your online conversations across web sites available in one spot for rapid reveiw by prying eyes. Hmmm.
Almost can't listen to NPR anymore...almost all DC propaganda now. They invite 3 guests to "discuss" an issue but they all monkey the same pre-written message. There's no dissent anymore or opposing opinions...no serious thought, just brainwashing.
Shame on NPR.
Here's some more photos of Vlad. And not one of him golfing!
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/g2446/vladimir-putin-photos/
http://s14.postimg.org/hjiz2y1ep/n.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/yyjle49af/e.jpg
These are just staged events to create a Greater Israel in the long term...
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Their 'Promised Land.'
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You cant fuck with 2,000+ year old documents, scriptures -shit chiseled on to stone fucking tablets...
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Nothing New Under the Sun...
This ancient tribe has been wandering the deserts for 1,800+ years...
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They are not just going to go away and get obliterated.
Something will happen where they are victorious and get the 'Promised Land' as described way back when - whether we like it or not. Don't worry - their day of judgement will come later.
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We are witnessing the setup for a major battle in the ME, the building of the 3rd temple and the introduction of their false prophet.
If you look really closely at those photos, you can see where it says "Caution, do not over inflate."
NPR really is becoming worthless as a new source. Propaganda Radio.
But where else can you find useful 'green' info like how to recycle cow farts?
The local AM morning drive guy here noted he thought it was funny that NPR's morning edition required 12 assistants and the host to produce the show while the local AM show here does the same type of production, albiet without the quiet talk, with 2 assistants plus the host.
Public funding at it's best.
Neocon Propaganda Radio!!!
stopped listening to L,R&C, To The Point, etc about two years ago...
all those soothing, Statist, "we got this" tones of academic CONsensUS...
bullshit.
no one ever yells, and I don't mean Foxtard jibber jabbering, I mean Howard Beale
NPR lost it after 9/11. Turned into a total propaganda outfit. They never came back from that. War-mongering fascists who unaccountably still think of themselves as peace-loving lefties. Listening to them has been a disconcertingingly weird experience for many years now.
And they giv credit to their corporate sponsors in pseudo-ads, all their sponsors except..... the taxpayer. Never mention that they are largely government-funded.
Yes! Yes! Yes! NPR has been dead for at least a decade! I hate it more than any other organ I'm aware of. Those smug voices spewing their never ending war bullshit. I was off them during the autumn after the invasion of Iraq, they had a pannel of 3 discussing Iran, and of course all 3 wanted to invade Iran yesterday. Anyone think US foreign policy has anything to do with the national interest? And NPR was the last major news outlet to acknowledge the existence of Occupy Wall Street. The same way Saturn is closer to the sun than Neptune, Fox & NYT, it seems to me, come closer to debate than NPR.
I agrree - I never understood why my 'progresssive ' friends in LA listen to what always seemed like Eastern European -style propagnda to me with constant mentioning of corporate sponsors. I guess NPR looks progressive compared to FOX news etc
NPR is shit and always has been. All of TV, Hollywood and the media is garbage. You watch it then you support it.
Hollywood really is shit. When I lived in LA I became friends with some of the most sucessful producers from HBO, they made most profitable series and movies in teh world (one of them did at least). some of them were really immature - good at accounting and control freaks. Otherwise leading sad friend-free lives filled with coke, alcohol and fear.
LA is all about Hollywood and that's why it has that reputation of flakes and people who woudl do anythng to get any role in any crap move created by Hollywood. Everyone is trying to befriend any director or a producer. And these directors and producers know it and they pretend they want to help, but they dont really.
I am so gald las time I had a tv was when I was 16
Haven't listened to NPR in many years.
Sounds like "Radio Managua" has successfully transitioned to "Radio Nuremberg".
Its run by Zionists.
ZPR Zion Public Radio ZiPpeRing up the truth from the eyes of the public.
you forgot to mention LACMA where you can have yur 'art' become a part of the permanent collection if yuu donate enough money
yes you can track the NYT limits to comments on key articles both by not alowing any comments or selective posting out of ten you may submit to achieve a balance of favorable comments since the appointed trolls only have so much time.
the infor war is being lost at an accelerating rate outside of the MSM control -
you can see how nervous they are with the TTP comments being 99% against and Putin rising as Trump calls him a Leader and obama a Puppet
The people are finally getting it after a long long time
Shooting down airliners..............
There's only one nation in this world with a history of shooting down civilian airliners. There's alos only one nation in this world with a history of planning to use civilian airliners in false flag scenarios for the purpose of starting a war.
That nation isn't Russia.
North Atlantic Terrorist Organization.
Look at the more recent NATO members. It is laughable even asking why Russia would feel threatened. This was all done under Clinton, Bush and Obama and well after the fall of the USSR (1999-2009).
Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovokia, Slovenia, Croatia and Albania.
Now Anericans Take Over
Borat to the rescue...
NATO-Borat should go to Iraq first and care about Syria later.
Borat is from Kazakhstan (which is in Asia for all of you Americans).
where is this 'asia'? i've never heard of a country called 'asia'...sounds like you're just making shit up as you go along. and if it does exist, i bet they don't even have a football team.
But Kazakhstan scene of Borat movie was shot in Romania (NATOmember) which upset Kazakhstan and was considered an insult. What I mean by this: Borat could be of both sides but should definitively go to Baghdad first to clean up the mess.
Poland has no missile tech, yet, as a NATO member, they have missiles.
2 points people seem to pass over is that
1. unlike the usa - russia was LEGALLY invited into Syria - the war crimes of destroying legitimate governments is a usa - nato strategy.
2. considering the usa won't even give back Gitmo to cuba - who we STOLE IT FROM - why would Russia allow Syria or the Crimea to fall to western pwoers when these 2 places are the ONLY Watm water ports and bases russia has-
when was the last time the usa let a country walk into a major ally where we had a military base and allow it to be attacked?
NEVER
Stole it from Spain.
As thoughtful NPR presenters and listeners could tell you, the Responsibility to Protect trumps the so-called sovereignty of any annoying little* state.
*little = lacking nuclear weapons
In reference to part one: Korean Airlines Flight 007. 1983.
Just sayin'.
Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!
http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
NATO violated the Geneva Convention by bombing civilians, hospitals, schools, ancient churches and monasteries, bridges, the water filtration plants, chemical plants and even the Chinese Embassy. NATO created an environmental catastrophy for Serbia. A toxic chemical cloud hung over Belgrade for weeks. NATO also used depleted uranium shells which causes cancer even today in Serbian children.
Why did NATO intentionally take out the water filtration plants? To cause cholera and typhoid, human suffering and death- a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.
NATO also provided AWACS and military assistance to the Croats when they ethnically cleansed the Croatian Krajina of its Serbian population. Gen. Wesley Clark stood on the ridge as Croatian troups herded the multitude of suffering people like cattle out of the Kraijina.
NATO forcibly stripped Serbia of its ancient Orthodox Christian homeland, Kosovo and gave it to Albanian Muslim thugs (the KLA). NATO troups smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee watch as Albanian KLA desacrate and burn Serbian Orthodox churches. I have the film footage. Then NATO built its "Bondsteel" base on Kosovo territory.
NATO= The North Atlantic Terrorist Organization
Progressives did all that. It damn sure wasn't Ron Paul or any constitutional conservatives was it? Progressives been in charge a long time now, racking up the body count.
The progressive stupid, it burns and it kills.
Grimaldus
Faux, twisted, libertine (NOT libertarian) progressivism is a Judeao Zionist creation.
The written/provable/valid history ofo that just in the 20th century is stggering.
We need to drop meaningless labels...
Aside from your obvious disdain for Libertarian principles, maybe you can tell me what exactly Lew Rockwell is missing here when he lays the trouble of humanity at the Central Banks feet? Please stick to the facts and no ad hom arguments either in you don't mind.
War and the FED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M
The Fed is the puppet master. We're all being played for fools while the puppets, with their Faux outrage at Russia, all play their appointed parts.
Baba Vanga's prophecy: "Everything will melt away like ice yet the glory of Vladimir are the only things that will remain. Russia will not only survive, it will dominate the world".
Also Edgar Cayce was positive about Russia. We have accept it: Glory to Vladimir!
"Faux, twisted, libertine (NOT libertarian) progressivism is a Judeao Zionist creation.
The written/provable/valid history ofo that just in the 20th century is stggering.
We need to drop meaningless labels..."
EXACTLY...that first sentence nails it.
......but,.....but meaningless labels are the coin of the realm of the lie-stream media.....what we need to drop is our support of the mendacious, sycophantic, matrix (MSM).....when no one ever tunes in, it turns into a powerless non-existent black hole.....why can you not stop watching it folks?
You might want to re-direct that rage away from the soldiers on the ground. NATO and allied troops ROE (Rules Of Engagement) forbade them from firing their weapons even if they came under attack.
A good friend was with a unit of British troops who had to stand and watch as an allied contingent was decimated by attacking Serbain forces because they were forbidden from opening fire. Even after the OC escaaltaed it as far up the command tree as he could, he couldn't get permission ot open fire. Units used to regularly lose vehicles and equipment to the various local forces, Serbian, Bosnian and Croat because they'd be stopped at roadblocks and forced out of their vehicles at gun point because all the local forces knew they weren't allowed to fight. Lots of the troops came back from there mentally broken from haiving to just stand and watch the various massacres by all sides and being forbidden from interfering.
Rage against the commanders and bankers giving them their orders, but most of the troops would have torn through the local militias if they'd been allowed to.
So ask yourself....when the order is to fire on and massacre American civilians, how likely are the troops to refuse?
And as for those who pin their hopes on the military growing a set of balls and returning the US to constituional government....
Thanks for clearing that up.
The US soldiers will fire on unarmed american civilians. I have no question in my mind about this.
The air force will be the most loyal to the feds. They kill at a distance and bomb anyone they're told to.
The army is probably a lost cause. They won't be on our side either.
I expect a small percentage of the marine corp will defect, how much, I don't know.
Some help may be found in the national guard.
Ultimately though, the soldiers will obey their orders for as long as the feds can gaurantee the safety of their families. When the feds lose that power, all hell breaks loose.
Many of us learned from the Bundy standoff.
Once the BLM's home addresses were published on the webs, the whole effort
fell apart.Soldiers families live in the US mainly, not over an ocean, I doubt those orders
will be obeyed for long.
Various members of the military are having serious discussions internally what they will do if they are given the order to start kicking American's doors down. If the order is given, the military will tear itself apart. There are certainly some who would open fire on us, but there are also those who would be willing to shoot their officers in the back if such orders were given. According to a friend who worked out on Kirtland AFB, the brass out there regularly gets into vehement arguments about what to do if Obama gives an unconstitutional order.
mike, you forgot to mention croatians peacefully declared independance from yugoslavia after what serbs sent their yugoslav army (and chetnicks) and butchered thousands... just like nazi kiev army is doing to the ukrainian russians that declared independance at this moment... so get your facts straight :-P
Donhuangenaro, there was a lot of shit going on from all sides. I was directed against NATO not Croatia. Croats, Serbs and Muslims have been killing one another for centuries. NATO was the force directed from the US that singled out only one party, the Serbs.
Get your facts straight. Croatia illegally declared independence based on the Yugoslavian constitution which was agreed to by representatives of Croatia. The Croats would not recognize the rights of Serbs living in Krajina and would not provide them protection and minority rights.
How is this logically provable? If you look at Slovenia and Macedonia they were able to leave Yugoslavia peaceably since they had no large ethnic minorities. The same issue happened in Bosnia which has a mix of Serbs, Croats and Muslims and Kosovo which has a mix of Albanians & Serbs.
Serbia never had any right to Kosovo...that whole land was controlled by the Illyrians (who's leaders were albanian). Later ottoman Muslims took over and built 1 mosque every 2 blocks in Prizren (second biggest city in Kosovo). Ottomans forced conversion of kosovars and Albanians alike. Albanians might be the most nationalistic country on this earth..religion was ways tertiary (family first, country second). Kosovars have always considered themselves more "albanian" than any other Balkan nation. Languages spoken are albanian and Turkish. Forced to learn Serbian after the creation of Yugoslavia.
Not sure what kind of Serbian scumbag troll you are. Albanians would have killed every single Serb and burned every church after Serbians raped their women and pillaged their villages. Serb army was going door to door stealing woman and gang raping them then selling them as sex slaves...just 1 small example.
I'm not Serbian you mindless albanian troll. I'm Kuban Cossack and Russian Orthodox. Kosovo today is the European headquarters of the albanian mafia. The albanian mafia in Kosovo runs the human sex slave trafficking trade, narcotics, illegally harvested human organ sales and gun running. These are true scumbags!
What does the Albanian mafia have anything to do with the shit you spewed out in the post I responded to? Im not Albanian..but dated one. You obviously have no idea what was going on at the time.
what kind of bonehead moron are you referring to me as a scumbag serbian troll. Why don't you take some zanax for your depression you mope and GFY!
"Serbia never had any right to Kosovo...that whole land was controlled by the Illyrians (who's leaders were albanian)"
This is beyond stupid and historically wrong. Siptars which inhabit Kosovo today are mix of ethnic Albanians, Bulgars, Ottomans. Illyrians were not and never were ethnic Albanian. Albanians are derived from Bessians.
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts/1994_02/index.html
Kosovo was organized by Slavs (Serbs) as a territory in the 5th century and the territory was inhabited and defended by them thereafter many times including Roman and Ottoman occupation.
Also, every allegation made by Albanian propaganda pre-war has been proven false. The Siptars are a gang of mafia thugs who currently enjoy the protection of Don NATO.
spyware-free. Thank you. Refreshing and illuminating comment!!
Russia - is not Yugoslavia or even Vietnam.
Russian missiles are unaware of the existence of any alliances. Also, Russian missiles have no idea of American exceptionalism.
what NATO did to Yugoslavia Excellent bit of history. A quick study of what NATO did to Yugoslavia proves to 100% that NATO is an agressive offensive imperial army, who uses the excuse of defense to expand Washington's zone of control over new areas each few years.
French Minister for Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas: The British prepared for war in Syria 2 years before the eruption of the crisis in 2011:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY
May the odds be ever in your favor
If NATO [aka USA] gets moar involved, I suspect some of those millions of angry aggressive Moslim refugees the EU let in will voice their opinion.
That is probably part of the plan: disruption of the USA. Good reason to impose martial law, confiscate guns, etc.
“We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” –
~Gen. Wesley Clark - 2007
http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-ye...
"Obama had been waging a fake war for over a year on his own creation, ISIS, - 6700 airstrikes and no effect:"
Not true. Those 6700 airstrikes cost the taxpayers TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS which went to the MIC which in turn tithed those responsible for promoting the perpetual war. Like that fuckstain, McStain who wants to bomb Russia. Its only because he is being BRIBED by the MIC for his opinion to incite and inflame American passions for the eternal war.
I'm sure what Obama did was very fruitful for his purposes.
Looks like the housing prices in the DC area will go even higher.
And I do, of course, understand that "The Exceptional country" need not be bothered by such trivialiteis as International Law, including the niceties of The Geneva Conventions, deleloped over centuries for very good reasons. However, the rest of the world DOES acknowledge International law and Syria has invited Russia to defend it, and now so has Iraq. It is very fortunate for The West that the majority of the populations are completely clueless and can be manipulated by propoganda. Goebbels woulkd be proud....
But the fact is that Russia is acting entirely within the edicts of International Law. The US, less so...
You posted the same exact thing on Yahoo...
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I understand that "The Exceptional country" need not be bothered by such trivialities as International Law, including the niceties of The Geneva Conventions, developed over centuries for very good reasons. However, the rest of the world DOES acknowledge International law and Syria has invited Russia to defend it, and now so has Iraq. It is very fortunate for The West that the majority of the populations are completely clueless and can be manipulated by propaganda. Goebbels would be proud....
But the fact is that Russia is acting entirely within the edicts of International Law. The US, less so...
And it's just as true, some 14 minutes later
Excuse me but NO, I NEVER post anything on Yahoo. For good reasons??
Perhaps somebody else had the good sense to quote me but without the coutesy of attribution?
In the immortal words of a talk.bizarre usenet poster... "ATTRIBUTION, DAMMIT!"
Standard Disclaimer: I'm really showing my age.
Then you should be. The sheeple need educating.
Do you have a point? What is it?
Do you disagree with the post? Do you have anything worthwhile to say?
he's just another troll smearing shit.
Trolls. Those fuckers will be out in force today! I urge to look out for the Israeli, he has been active ever since Russia bombed ISIS. And the Chrtistian Zionist, he too has been working hard trolling since the first bomb landed on ISIS and hurt a CIA trained terrorist.
The trolls from the State department too will be working hard.
Granted a few regular ZH'ers actually ask some good questions about the Russian policies, but most are troll cunts!
Exactly , what are you kaa ? the Statist Comments Police ?
If he did not post it on Yahoo, then his material was subject to the automated "Data Rakers".
Its a script that snatches material from one place, and tosses it on other message boards.
Sometimes humans do this, and sometimes machines do it. It an entertaining programming excercise with potential if you target content and audience correctly.
I am not a "Data Raker"
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Hubris to the Power Of Dunning-Kruger, a long series of doubling down bets, all the evidence against you.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/hubris-to-the-power-of-dunning-kruger/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/leboweski-enlightenment-5/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/previous-episodes-of-zealo...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
But not to worry, any world war will be short, as the US is broke.
Russia had better be careful, you don't back a rabid dog(US) into a corner.
American movie 'Old Yeller' tells solution of problem rabid dog.
I guess that film is the hot new release in Russia now. Congratulations, you guys will be up to date in no time.
It's the Israelis and their scum sucking servants getting the update this time sunshine.
Go to the chief and tell him to someone smarter sent.
Boris? Is that you?
Especially because Russia has THIRD generation Crusie Missliles and Its Jet Fighters could knock anything the US has out of the sky? That applies especially to the F-35, which is why you don't see them deployed?
Their "Development" was. of course, just gravy for the MIC to feed a Dog.
The disabled US Navy won't battle the Russians
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/gary-north/russian-plane-disabled-us...
Interesting event which I was not aware of.
I have long wanted to develop a similar defense against drones, only I also want to disable the propulsion system and watch them come crashing down.
Turns out that the story on the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea may be BS... just do a search on it.
Dang.
Hehe,
A lot of guys on the Cook asked for reassignment after that little Russian escapade.
Apparently sailors aren't dumb enough to want to go into a potential combat zone with their pants around their ankles when the mighty Ageis system doesn't go click, whirr, boom.
The Russian build up of Air Power in Syria was carried out at a time when Russian electronic warfare shut down US NATO Turkish radars, just long enough for each group of Russian planes to come in to Syria. Later, the satellite photos shocked the shit out of NATO. They never recorded the flights of Russian planes, only learned about it when pictures came in. This was a nasty wake up call to NATO, who only fight Arabs on camels with AK's.
Russian engineers and scientists have their own way of doing things.
They are highly respected by their peers in the RoW academia,but not by our politicians..
The west is making a bad mistake in underestimating their abilities.
Showing their hand this much already, probably means they have 5 aces up their
sleeve.
Lefty - tighty, righty - loosey!
Did the F-35 ever get into the skies?
No...The shitbags in charge of this project send a dude out to adjust the timer on the "goose killer" ejection seat. When he powered the system up the dreaded windows update screen apeared. When the tech finished bitchin about having to wait he made a cell phone call and interupted the planes wi fi. This of course crashed the update and since all the planes are connected crashed them too. Now the bigwigs in charge are having a huge argument over the best way to proceed. Some want to wait a month to see if windows will recover by itlsef. The other guys want to reformat and reload the OS. Unfourtunately they backed up the 8,000 TB OS on that old school tape drive tech. It will take a year to reload the OS....
There are other issues too.
http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/08/f-35-loses-dogfight-to-red-baron/
Cost over runs everywhere
http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/09/pentagon-requests-500-gold-plated-f-35s/
The gold plated joy stick give you that idea ?.
I can't understand why you'e getting junked. USSA must protect reserve currency status and the petro dollar so it wouldn't surprise me to see them go mental.
Without the military, gunboat financial tricks like ZIRP and QE socking it to everybody worldwide wouldn't be possible. And without the same financial tricks, the giant military wouldn't be possible. IF USSA MIC doesn't maintain it's aura of invincibilty others will be encouraged to resist them, so there's a lot at stake and they could fly off the handle.
The World's Silliest Empirehttp://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-worlds-silliest-empire.html
Wondered myself, who the hell would trust a dying empire not to do really, really bad things?
US empire and financial establishment won't sit by, hands in the air, with 'ya got me' looks on their faces. Some of them saw this shit coming and are prepared, others didn't and aren't. At the end of it all, Russia or China might have a slightly bigger role in collecting the bankers' protection money but the show will go on. One nasty side effect might be that North America and Europe taste some genuine chaos for the first time in a while and we might see armies marching around Central Asia. Nuclear or bio-catastrophe aside, get used to decades of slowly worsening living conditions, global entropy, occasional spikes of collective violence, the usual spate of ideological false flags designed to distract us from the exercise of power (they'll foment racial and religious hatred, promote nihilism and obscurantism etc.). Worse than all that, there won't be a climax, a collapse or WWIII or IV or a singularity, a break through, just business as usual.
The US is going to look sillier and sillier trying to push their narrative. They already look like bombastic clowns - shouting like the loud American at the Sistene chapel wearing shorts, flip flops and a baseball cap demanding a hot dog and a soda.
You knew my late Uncle ?
It was funny, in a country bumpkin way, back in the 70's.
Ouside the vassal politiciansm, nobody is laughing anymore.
The mood is getting ugly out there. Would be best to speak another lanuage flawlessly,
with no accent, in the near future. Unless you fancy being torn apart by an angry mob.
This is where its going.
fun read (cluborlov), thank you!
These events in Syria show that Obama really is a Manchurian Candidate who, with his dimwit NATO accomplices, thinks anyone will believe his lies that the U.S. Air Force is doing anything more than dropping bombs on the empty desert in Syria. To promote Obama’s campaign of terrorism at home, we have three shooting incidents in three and one half months by 20 something demented guys: Dylann Roof gunning down people in a Charleston church in July 2015; Ayoub el-Khazzani attempt to gun down passengers on a high speed train in France in August 2015 and now, this month, Christopher Harper-Mercer killing people in an Oregon college. Just as Obama uses proxy killers in the Middle East to carry out a reign of terror, he is using “lone wolf” madmen elsewhere to push the New World Order program to terrorize people to give up their civil rights.
The Oregon shooter turns out to be an Army enlistee drummed out of the service after he attempted suicide. A perfect candidate for brainwashing, just like Roof and el-Khazzani. If I am connecting the dots correctly, Obama’s organ grinders will continue recruiting psychopaths for attacks on soft targets at home and abroad. You notice that France gave the passengers who took down el-Khazzani the Legion of Honor while Obama failed to even award Airman Spencer Stone the Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions on that train as soldier and medic. Stone was the key person in preventing a mass slaughter of passengers. Obama and his NOW compatriots don’t like Stone at all.
This train incident has largely disappeared from European news. It is a far bigger event then Charlie Hebdo. Why the hush hush?
Making a good MK Ultra meat bot takes time.
Their repressed humanity sometimes sneaks back to
make them not want to be monsters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Craig Hulet was high ranking military officer and ended up doing some briefings in the first Iraqi war.
He states the plan came from George H.W. Bush in 1990.
So this could be the Date of the complete take over of the USA or 1988 Election, or 1980 Election when he first got in the White House.
Defeated USSR, so plan was to do corporate Take over of the Middle East. Or so he says.
http://www.craigbhulet.com/
He is supposed to upload a free report on Syria and Chinese Carrier Group, and Iran in Syria.
Actually, Nixon's election in 1968 was the real turning point, as he brought in Kissenger and a host of like-minded globalists. I'm really not certain that Nixon even realized the totality of what was going on under his administration, but think about some of the highlights.
Then we have Watergate, pretty much affirming that certain elements were so determined to retain power they were willing to subvert the election process - which in reality is a coup.
It didn't work, VP Ford was a weak replacement when Nixon resigned, and Jimmy Carter came along and temporarily set back their plans of Empire. Dick Cheney was Ford's Chief of Staff. Rumsfeld had been Nixon's.
So, who was the head of the CIA under Ford? Why, it was GW Bush, who had also been Ambassador to China prior to CIA Director.
Remember, Bush started out as owner of an Oil Company, and the Bush family has very long and deep ties to the ME. This is important, as the only reason that Reagan beat Jimmy Carter in 1979 elections was because of the Iranian Hostage crisis, which had dragged on for a year. George Bush made a secret visit to the Iranians in October, and he made sure that the hostages would not be released until after the election in November. The very next day after Reagan & Bush (as VP) narrowly won, the hostages were released.
The Empire builders went to work, and soon we were up to our eyeballs in Central & South America. Then, we learned of the Iran/Contra Arms for Hostages affair....not in time to keep Bush from becoming President, but it was part of his being unable to beat Clinton and keep a second term.
Clinton was another accident, and a big set-back for the group of Neocons who had been assembled throughout government. They were furious, and set out to cut the legs out from under Clinton any way they could. When Congress went majority Republican in 94, it was "Investigation" time, and most know what the 90's were like politically.
However, Clinton brought his own favorite bunch of traitors along with him, in the form of Robert Rubin and the Wall Street Cabal. Plus, he turned out to be pliable for the MIC, too, and soon fit right in, helping the Empire builders along the way.
In the 1999 elections, the neocons went into high gear. All the stops were pulled out in FL, where Jeb Bush was doing every thing they could think of the suppress the vote, then to contest the vote, which was decided ultimately by the Supreme Court in a split decision. The fight for the composition of the Supreme Court in the 90's is a whole other very interesting subject.
Of course, there is so much more, and this is just one old man's observances over the past 50+ years, but I have been paying attention.
>but I have been paying attention.
Your narrative is slightly flawed.
>The very next day after Reagan & Bush (as VP) narrowly won, the hostages were released.
Reagan and Bush did not "narrowly" win. You must be thinking of some other election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
Direct your attention to the numbers at the right hand side of the page.
LBJ was a mob boss, and you somehow forgot the hoaxed Apollo Moon landings, during Nixon's administration.
Yeah, it was well done, but that doesn't mean faking a Moon landing is good for mankind.
Believe me, this goes all the way back to fucking Napoleon and his Rothschild financiers.
When you get around to explaining those lunar reflectors, get back to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
Sure, they can be placed by a robot (!) or you can just reflect lasers straight off the Moon. They were reflecting lasers off the Moon before those 'reflectors' were ever placed, you do know that, right?
"A long lost light reflector that was left on the surface of the moon by the former Soviet Union has been rediscovered by a team of American physicists after nearly 40 years using lasers beamed from Earth.
The French-built laser reflector was sent aboard the unmanned Soviet Luna 17 mission, which landed on ?the moon on Nov. 17, 1970 and released a robotic rover that roamed the lunar surface and carried the sought after laser reflector."
So what now? Does this prove the Soviets landed men on the Moon, by your logic?
You are right, and I was wrong. Moving too fast, and upon reflection I remember that. Between the Hostages, the interest rates, and the famous "Malise" speech, Carter was pounded by Reagan.
Can't help myself...
I've undergone the "See something, say something" indoctrination.
When things are written down, and it goes against how I remember an event, I go back and attempt to fact check first before I even begin to think about correcting someone else's narrative.
Other than that small point, excellent job.
Thanks....mis-remebering seems to come with age ;-)
I would have given you post some credence until
you described Clinton as a setback.
Now I just read the whole thing as progressive propaganda bullshit.
You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but maybe you missed the part about Clinton bringing in his own favorite band of traitors - the bankers.
Do you not think Clinton was an accident? You believe GWB was ready to retire instead of having his second term? That would have been 16 years as either VP or President. Having lived this history, I recall the Republicans being in shock that this hick from AR beat the establishment.
Clinton was another side of their operation, he helped cover up the Mena mistakes
and helped run that side of the IRAN-CONTRA cocaine flights by Barry Seal who
was killed either by Dixie mafia, or CIA, and had Bush Sr. phone number in his trunk.
The rabbit hole is alot deeper then ppl have been told.
The Mena Connection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z27Y2RzOv4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Seal
The world is quite different then how the "Operation Mockingbird"
media portrays it. Its hard to sift thru all the BS to find any shreds of truth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
What would one expect from the bastard son of a Rottenfellar?
Recent history, superbly told, thanks for that 11b40....
Offhand, I'd say the secret government took over completely in November 1963. I understand the argument that it started with the Fed's creation, but I think 1963 is when they got complete control. Nixon was a product of that. He was in Dallas for the assasination/coup, btw, as was Bush Senior. And a host of other luminaries, does seem a little too coincidental. Also a future Israeli PM, can't remember which.
Its not admitted in official history, but Bush Sr was a founding member of the CIA, after WWII.
Thats why the CIA HQ is named after him, and thats why he became CIA DCI in what, 1977. He was NOT a 'new guy' to the CIA, as they like to portray it. And Bush Sr himself cultivated his 'wimp' image. It was a very carefully considered ploy, so that the media could then justify his actions such as the Gulf War, "Oh, I guess he wants to prove us wrong about that wimp stuff"
It goes back further than that. If Gen. Wesley Clark heard about it on ~ 9/21/2001, you know that this has been planned for even before 9/11, and that 9/11 became the excuse/pretext.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojcoKnTGf4s
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And the media wonders why the fuck Russia chose to set up where they did. They of course claim it is to bolster Assad.
the truth is, you can bet NATO will be sending suicide truck waves now, or at least trying to. So between irregular and regular attacks by nato and their savages, the Russians have ( unsurprisingly ) done the smart thing out of the gate.
Either way, the "rebels" are now getting absolutely skull fucked, and it could not be nicer to see. THose cruise missiles hit Tabqa airbase ( a derelict SAF base used by ISIS for training) as well as a heavy weapons armory. In a few weeks these fuckers won't have any WW2 era tanks, or Toyota hiluxes left.
Russians will always have the advantage with ground troops because they don't fear losses whereas the nato politicians are very scared of body bags for their own troops.
Russian soldiers are very concerned about NATO losses
I wonder how many of the American special forces 'consultants' working with ISIL nobody is supposed to know about were killed in the Russian bombing runs.
Not nearly enough.
Bullshit on that statement.
@Sting
"Mr Kruschev said we will bury you, I don't subscribe to that point of view, it would be such an ignorant thing to do......
If the Russsians love their children too.
And I believe they do. But I have concerns about the American Neocons though??
You got it wrong - he said
"We will BARRY you"
Proving once and for all the perfidy of the Judeo-Bolsheviks...
Those new Russian cruise missiles fired from a 1,000 miles away puckered up a few butt holes 'me think'.
Lots of lights were burning late in the Pentegram last night.
How many more rabbits has Putin got in that hat ?
Complacency caused by hubris. These morons calling for a no fly zone in Syria,
are in for a surprise imo.
Check the speed on these new cruise missiles! These ain't your Tomahawk slow pokes!
And the British SAS dressed up as ISIS to 'fight ISIS', with all those Russian, Syrian and Iranian troops looking to kill ISIS, what could possible go wrong?
Is that not against the Geneva Convention to fight out of uniform?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595439/SAS-ISIS-fighter-Jihadis
As is the use civilian organisations to wage war ie. the CIA and to use civilains, ie drone operators, and torture, and bombing hospitals. Of course the legal argument used to justify this is the fight against terror, which is keyed on 9/11. Expose that and the edifice crumbles. Are false flag acts covered by the Geneva Convention? If not they should be regarded as the most heinous of them all since they are the triggers/enablers for the follow on and even worse crimes.
If only Putin or Trump or someone "up there" would "stray off the reservation" and question 9/11. Until anyone of them does then as far as I am concerned they are all controlled/bought/blackmailed insiders or wannabe insiders.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/2015/10/the-worlds-silliest-empire.html
Saker covers the question of why Putin doesn't mention 9/11 quite well, plausible but ..... if it's the tell for Snowden and Assange so why not Putin?
let's not forget the SAS dressed as ISIS fighting ISIS.. Wait what?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595439/SAS-ISIS-fighter-Jihadis
lol.
In a recent report ( I forget where it was ) there was mention from some turks that the south is teeming with "blue eyed british military."
SAS ran a long running terror bombing campaign in souther Iraq. Trying to foment a Sunni Shia civil war. Dressed as Arabsm SAS set off terror bombs killing hundreds, but call themselves heroes!
A little bird told me that the "ISIS advisors" are made up of Mossad,
Turkish, US, Saudi. and other special troops.
Basically a motley crew of money grubbing mercs from various globalist nations.