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The War On Islamic State: A New Cold War Fiction
Submitted by Nafeez Ahmed via MiddleEastEye.net,
Russia is bombing “terrorists” in Syria, and the US is understandably peeved.
A day after the bombing began, Obama’s Defence Secretary Ashton Carter complained that most Russian strikes “were in areas where there were probably not ISIL (IS) forces”.
Anonymously, US officials accused Russia of deliberately targeting CIA-sponsored “moderate” rebels to shore-up the regime of Bashir al-Assad.
Only two of Russia’s 57 airstrikes have hit ISIS, opined Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu in similar fashion. The rest have hit “the moderate opposition, the only forces fighting ISIS in Syria,” he said.
Such claims have been dutifully parroted across the Western press with little scrutiny, bar the odd US media watchdog.
But who are these moderate rebels, really?
Moderate al-Qaeda
The first Russian airstrikes hit the rebel-held town of Talbisah north of Homs City, home to al-Qaeda’s official Syrian arm, Jabhat al-Nusra, and the pro-al-Qaeda Ahrar al-Sham, among other local rebel groups. Both al-Nusra and the Islamic State have claimed responsibility for vehicle-borne IEDs (VBIEDs) in Homs City, which is 12 kilometers south of Talbisah.
The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) reports that as part of “US and Turkish efforts to establish an ISIS ‘free zone’ in the northern Aleppo countryside,” al-Nusra “withdrew from the border and reportedly reinforced positions in this rebel-held pocket north of Homs city”.
In other words, the US and Turkey are actively sponsoring “moderate” Syrian rebels in the form of al-Qaeda, which Washington DC-based risk analysis firm Valen Globals forecasts will be “a bigger threat to global security” than IS in coming years.
Last October, Vice President Joe Biden conceded that there is “no moderate middle” among the Syrian opposition. Turkey and the Gulf powers armed and funded “anyone who would fight against Assad,” including “al-Nusra,” “al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI),” and the “extremist elements of jihadis who were coming from other parts of the world”.
This external funding enabled Islamist factions to systematically displace secular Free Syria Army (FSA) leaders, culminating in the rise of IS.
In other words, the CIA-backed rebels targeted by Russia are not moderates. They represent the same melting pot of al-Qaeda affiliated networks that spawned the Islamic State in the first place.
Our Islamists
And they rose to power in Syria not in spite, but because of the US rubber-stamping the jihadist funnel through the so-called “vetting” process. This summer, for instance, al-Qaeda led rebels received accelerated weapons shipments in a US-backed operation to retake Idlib province from Assad.
Notice here that the US priority was to rollback Assad’s forces from Idlib - not fight IS. Yet the brave Western press, so outspoken on Russian duplicity, somehow overlooked how this anti-ISIS coalition operation failed to target a single IS fighter.
Since Russia’s intervention, the press has been particularly coy about the fact that Washington’s “moderate” rebels include the likes of al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham and the Islamic Front.
While al-Nusra, of course, is al-Qaeda’s Syrian branch, Ahrar al-Sham openly “cooperates with the Syrian affiliate of al-Qaeda and has welcomed former associates of Osama bin Laden” according to the New York Times. “While its leaders say they seek to create a representative government, they avoid the word ‘democracy’ and say Islam must guide any eventual state.”
The Islamic Front, Syria’s largest opposition grouping consisting of tens of thousands of fighters, aims to establish an “Islamic state” in Syria, rejects democracy and secularism, and welcomes al-Qaeda foreign fighters as “brothers who came to help us”.
Islamic Front leader Zahran Alloush is on record as having praised Osama bin Laden, endorsed cooperation with al-Nusra, and repeatedly called for the total extermination of Shia and Alawite communities in the Levant.
These are the “moderates” the US has empowered in the name of fighting IS.
How not to vet rebels and influence people
The US has evaded formal responsibility for doing so using the best covert operation traditions: plausible deniability by passing the buck.
Since 2012, the CIA-run clandestine rebel-vetting programme has been conducted outside Syria, in partner countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Turkey. Although CIA and US military personnel oversee the programme, they “vet” rebels largely through ‘intelligence’ provided by its own allies.
The supposedly rigorous vetting process includes “psychological exams,” gathering of “biometric data,” and running the names of candidates “through US databases” and “with regional allies for checks”.
Recruits already known to the US government are checked easily based on internal data. But for new recruits, the US depends on the “expertise” of its coalition partners like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Still, CIA personnel were “helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters” would receive arms. But the relationship between the “moderate” FSA and the jihadist factions, including IS, had grown increasingly porous.
German journalist Jurgen Todenhofer, who spent 10 days inside the Islamic State, reported last year that IS militants are being “indirectly” armed by the West: “They buy the weapons that we give to the Free Syrian Army, so they get Western weapons - they get French weapons… I saw German weapons, I saw American weapons.”
The CIA knew what was happening: classified intelligence assessments year after year showed that most Saudi, Turkish and Qatari arms ended up with “hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups”.
The CIA programme has not been shut down, although it has predictably failed to arm moderates despite seeding nearly 10,000 rebel fighters - many of whom have joined the IS terrorists the West is supposed to be fighting.
Instead, the Pentagon has been tasked to establish a “new,” separate, “moderate” rebel-training programme.
Unsurprisingly, that programme has virtually collapsed, even as the CIA continues to arm the jihadists that pretend to hate IS while cooperating with IS to fight Assad.
Just last month, in extraordinary testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, General Lloyd Austin who leads the anti-ISIS strategy at US Central Command admitted that there are only “four or five” US-trained “moderate” rebels in Syria currently fighting IS.
Who is fighting IS, really?
This doesn’t mean questions about Russia’s strategy are unjustified. Clearly, Vladimir Putin’s self-serving intervention in Syria is about keeping the brutal Assad in power, by crushing the rebel forces seeking his removal.
But Western journalists obediently mimicking the State Department line have universally failed to ask the sort of questions they rightly ask of Russia: namely, why is the US-led coalition refusing to bomb Islamic State extraction wells and oil truck convoys?
A sobering Greenwich University study published by Maritime Security Review in March on the Islamic State’s illicit oil trafficking networks comes to some surprising conclusions on this issue.
Authored by George Kiourktsoglou, lecturer in maritime security and former Royal Dutch Shell strategist, and Dr Alec Coutroubis, acting head at the Faculty of Engineering and Science, the study finds that US, Turkish and Gulf air raids on ISIS “oil manufacturing facilities” have not gone far enough: “Extraction wells in the area of bombardments have yet to be targeted by the US or the air-assets of its allies, a fact that can be readily attributed to the at times ‘toxic’ politics in the Middle East.”
The scholars, who have previously given evidence before the UK Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Select Committee, further report that despite large convoys transporting IS oil through Syria, Iraq and Turkey, “allied US air-raids do not target the truck lorries out of fear of provoking a backlash from locals” (although killing up to a thousand Syrian civilians is apparently fine). As a result, “the transport operations are being run efficiently, taking place most of times in broad daylight”.
So the US is not targeting the Islamic State’s financial lifeline - its black market oil infrastructure - but instead is teaming up with the same al-Qaeda affiliated groups that spawned IS in the first place, to undermine Assad. And Russia, for all its muscle-flexing rhetoric, sees its main priority as countering US-led efforts to topple Assad, by targeting his most immediate opponents.
This is, in other words, a New Cold War between competing empires, the unending victims of which are the Syrian people. As for the Islamic State, it is little more than the proxy bastard child of a conflict that looks set to escalate.
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Syria, is belong to Vladimir.
I truly feel terrible for all those people who are caught between a dying superpower and a russia who is tired of the US trying to dictate what is right and wrong on the entire planet. I guess the best that can be hoped for is that the russians get rid of all this ISIS nonsense, which seems likely, and the US correctly realizes that none of this is really our business and stays on our side of that great big ocean(which seems unlikely)
Some muslims aren't being bombed nearly as much as they could be. Next they'll tell us organizing points such as mosques are being spared.
In an otherwise useful article, this jackass of an author writes:
Yes, the BRUTAL Assad, who doesn't have good bedside manner when he prescribes eyeglasses for his patient. Why he's Saddam Hussein, Moamar Ghadaffi and Al Qaeda all rolled into one.
Fucking amateur.
I am Chumbawamba.
I guarantee that Obama has a higher body count than Assad. What I mean is a direct body count - people dead because of direct actions taken by his administration (bombing weddings, hospital etc).
If one is to consider all the dead he is responsible for because of what his administration has done on the world stage the numbers are staggering and make him a murdering bastard of epic proportions (Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Pakistan)
How this guy can try to explain wihat the new cold war is about without mentioning the thousands of years of Chosenite duplicity and halocaust is pathetic.
one Syrian politician had a compelling argument about Assad: "Do you even know that 90% of civilians (women, children) are now under the protection of Assad and his government, they all have run to the areas held by the government. They don't run to any areas held by the rebels." These people DO see Assad as their only protection, at least because there is no one else to protect them.
"...As for the Islamic State, it is little more than the proxy bastard child of a conflict that looks set to escalate..."
This is a dangerous over-simplification. It's like calling the Yakuza an unfortunate result of economic disparity in Japan. While true, it's useless to describe them like that. ISIS, al Nusra and all the other opposition factions function effectively as organized criminal gangs - jihadi mafias - not armies or any other hierarchical organizations. They would have been there forever if the West continued on their current course and acted like they were an organized military organization that could be defeated. That's a dim-witted view of who these guys are and why they're doing what they're doing. Russia, on the other hand, isn't looking for military control. They are looking for annihilation of all opposition forces because they ALL report to or are affiliated with psycho head-chopper mafias. The jihadis are not soldiers, they're God damn gangster thugs operating under the guise of Wahhabism. Even a child can see that. "Well, Jimmy is in the Crips, but he's really a good kid" just doesn't cut it.
"...and the US correctly realizes that none of this is really our business and stays on our side of that great big ocean(which seems unlikely)..."
Exactly, carl - the "which seems unlikely" part. It's a mistake to consider political forces in the U.S. as merely corruptable and incompetent that operate in a vacuum. THEY are a collection of criminal organizations that operate under or in cooperation with higher-level political and industrial mafias. The question isn't "What would a government do in this situation?", it's "What would the mob (or one of their 'affiliates') do in this situation?"
Looking for a clearly-defined heirarchy or grand unifying conspiracy behind their actions is folly. The U.S. government operates in a network of overlapping criminal organizations - opportunists who assert themselves only when it's advantageous or it hurts their competition. In that sense, they are no different than religious extremist psychopaths in the Middle East. It's a web of dozens of overlapping organizations who will sieze opportunity but are content to just ride the wave otherwise. Taking one out does nothing - the web simply closes up the hole and the psychopathy continues. 'The government' will never have any resolve to take out ISIS, al Nusra or any other Wahhabi extremist groups in the Middle East. They are useful to certain mob factions within the government for various reasons. The oligarch mafias that control the U.S. government are not going to all get together and vote to wipe out their profitable tools.
Uh, Iran is fighting them. The lost a General today and are building up ground forces in Eastern Iraq for a major offensive. But don't worry, the Saudi apologists will continue to call them 'bogeymen' and other insane mythical characters to cover for their pipeline motives. The US just helped train and arm them. The real money backing them is on the Arabian Peninsula and for some strange reason we just can't seem to find a way to block their financial channels.
Even if the same Arabs somehow manage to find a way to invest in NewsCorp, GE, Boeing, BAC, C, etc.
3 ISIS members made the mistake of returning to Grozny, Chechnya. They were dealt with.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/24...
The results:
Photos strictly 18+ Click to read.
Posted earlier, but if Vlad can make Syria liveable for the millions of refugees (through defeating ISIS and radicals, rebuilding infrastructure, etc.) then he will have Europe kissing his ass for decades. Putin gets his warm water port, alliance with Iran, re-populates Syria with refugees Europe doesn't want, and ends EU sanctions, how can this not be a win-win?. Checkmate.
But what percentage of these invad, er, refugees, actually want to return to Syria or wherever? By their actions so far, it appears that a majority wants to join the Euro FSA, tear shit up, and rape some white women for Allah.
I think the way it works is they get told to leave (by countries giving them asilym) as soon as their country of origin is considered safe enough to live
"But what percentage of these invad, er, refugees, actually want to return to Syria or wherever?"
The ones that have never experienced a cold winter would be my guess.
I would have believed that until I saw all the
fucking Somalis in Minnesota and read stories about other negros in Scandinavia.
They may not like Iceland very much...
the winter is coming
On immigrant problem elegant solution exists.
Immigrants tell they to permanent settle in Latvia.
Observe now they gladly to Syria walk, singing all praises Assad.
So photos of a few hundred, maybe a thousand violent people represent the majority of Syrians?
The ones that don't want to go back are i) ISIS members escaping real opposition and ii) gangsters thugs from destabilised states. Look on it as blowback. Unfortunately most of it affects the useless EU poodle states, not the real originators, the US and Israel.
not sure why this got so many downvotes. My guess is very few of them want to go back. They can achieve a much higher standard of living by sucking on the welfare state teet and never working a day in their lives than they could ever hope to do in syria, even if syria wasn't being destroyed by outside forces. Once low education and low-skilled third worlders discover the first-world welfare state, they have no interest in going back.
Sometimes, and it has surely happened to you, we hit the nail a little too squarely, and the deep trolls come out to play. We notice it most when citing irrefutable evidence on 9/11 or mentioning mossad/dancing israelis. There are parts of the story they cannot allow the sheeps to understand. The islamic invasion of Europe is one. Perhaps some are ignorant of the horrors that are occurring. Doctors are being stabbed, nurses have vials of syphilis-tainted urine thrown in their face, gullible lefty girls who "want to help" are gang raped and told to keep quiet "for the cause", riots, theft, destruction. Why isn't multi-culturalism pushed on non-white countries? Because unified, armed whites are obviously the greatest threat to the cartels goal of world domination. In this Oregon "shooting", the alleged gunman allegedly singled out Christians to die. This was barely mentioned, and certainly not discussed in any depth, on MSM. What if he had singled out muslims, jews, or homosexuals? They are obviously fomenting race wars in the US and Europe, and WWIII in Syria so that we will kill each other. Will we do their dirty work for them?
Is this the "everywhere but the US and EU are third world shithoes" naivete that I've heard so much about?
They all live in tents there right?
Some people care for the land they are from. I'm not saying for sure that these do; I don't know them, but it's in the realm of possibilities.
“I knew that I had made my last journey in the Empty Quarter and that a phase in my life was ended. Here in the desert I found all that I asked; I knew that I should never find it again. But it was not only this personal sorrow that distressed me. I realized that the Bedu with whom I had lived and traveled, and in whose company I had found contentment, were doomed. Some people maintain that they will be better off when they have exchanged the hardship and poverty of the desert for the security of a materialistic world. This I do not believe. I shall always remember how often I was humbled by those illiterate herdsmen who possessed, in so much greater measure than I, generosity and courage, endurance, patience and lighthearted gallantry. Among no other people have I ever felt the same sense of personal inferiority.”
- Wilfred Thesiger
you can still find that in many non-Western countries, non-obsessed with money and status
Countries that have not yet sold their soul so to speak. Where social contract exists and people have not been branwashed to forget that social interaction and sharing is the most important thing (notbuying a status symbol). It's often in non-English speaking countries that I see such happiness and social interaction (although these people are often unaware of it - too busy living a socially meaningful life to obsess about self-assesment of happiness indicators de jeur
Even in non-English speaking or westernized countries you can only find those similar traits in deeper rural regions, away from "modern civilization".
Btw, that was one of the major reasons for the aggressive push for globalization in the 90s (the other one is state-sponsored corporate neocolonialism): replacing the traditional moral and ethical values, that've developed through 1000s of years and have made man the prudent and moral being that he is (was?), with the worship of Mammon (being rich and famous as the greatest possible achievement in life), praise of sexual deviation and ultra-individualism.
As these past 10 years have shown, a higher rate of successfully transplanted moral values in a given society are proportionate to the effectiveness of the next breakthrough step on the road to serfdom: the implantation of cultural marxism (or nazi-socialism if you wish) and "political correctness" as a stepping stone to the final and voluntary take-over of personal rights and freedoms (in exchange for a little 'security') to the incestuous corporate-state establishment.
You really nailed it here.
Your avatar, by the way, is that Maynard's dick?
Thank you sir.
It's out of the booklet from their first EP Opiate.
You lost me at "social contract". I didn't sign shit and neither did anyone else. Theres nothing wrong with sharing or social interaction, but every single person Ive ever heard mention the words social contract thinks that sharing means the government steals half your shit and "shares" it, and thats not what sharing means to me.
Fuck the questionable ISW, and Stratfor, and other private intelligence agencies.
These information pimps and analysis whores will tell you anything you want to hear for the right price.
Government intelligence will suffice after all.
We have two whiny little rich kid grade school brats, one called Sunni and the other called Shi'a. Each has hired a big thug from senior high school and is paying him to go beat on the other one. The thugs are getting into it, thinking it means something, and the little rich kids are laughing their asses off
Strange how whole countries are being destroyed (America included) in order to promote one bankrupt ideology over another......
Nafeez Ahmed wrote one of the first quality books debunking the 9/11 official conspiracy theory, and he has since become quite the accedmic and jouranlist. He's always well worth reading.
Similar story to Colin Powell who got his start debunking / covering up Mai Lai. He lied so well, he got to go to the very pinacle, the UNGA and lie.
Lawrence Wilkerson served as chief of staff under Colin Powell, yet he's one of the strongest critics of US policy you'll find among people on the "right." He's a good source to turn to for context as well. Here are interviews and a recent speech well worth checking out: http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=518256
I watched RT's CrossTalk this afternoon and Pete Lavelle had Ray McGovern on the program to speak about the Russian intervention in Syria and here is what the "motherfucker" had to say...
Putin has been doing such a good job on the issues of diplomacy until he ruined it by using his own "shock and awe" campaign through Russian media to "flex his muscles"... It was going well up to that point and he didn't need to do what his American adversary's did in 2003 with the invasion of Iraq...
Well Ray go fuck yourself with both hands brotha!!!!
You forgot to mention your career at Langley when "Shock and Awe" was a "Kill Box" courtesy of the propaganda from Hill & Knowlton that i'm certain you endorsed in the Gulf War of 1990 that decimated the Iraqi military and left countless thousands to die from the chemical ordnance the American military destroyed because we and the Germans helped build those installations...Don't ya love it when "Code Pink" career clandestine pukes that spout they've turned the corner by starting a website called VIPS only to show their true colors when they know they contributed to this mess and are finally getting their asses kicked by the superpower they vilified there entire career.
He is a regular on that show from what I gather. He had some not so nice things to say about the US and their methods of 'combatting' ISIS a few months ago that didnt exactly shine the US in the brightest light. Are you saying he is still working for the CIA as co-intel or something? Half truths?
Yeah I sort of am saying just that.
Just like Larry Wilkerson who also a guest on RT the other day, they are all part of the old click that contributed to this colossal "cluster fuck" that has been in motion well before they retired and they all know it!
They know it's gotten progressively worse since they left the military and IC but they can't believe that someone else is kicking ass and taking names because that's always been America's job! I didn't say that by the way that one was George Carlin's !
Guess it's true what they say about a "leopard never being able to change it's spots"!...
CIA runs itself pretty much as a self governing entity. Radical Islam has long played a key role in modern anti Russian strategy as it did in anti Soviet policies before the 90's.
CIA was allied with Saudi Arabia in the creation of all of these Islamic Jihad groups. Libya was the text book example of how the CIA uses Al-Qaeda as it's armed instrument. Using Jihadists to end a secular government in Libya. The CIA planned to repeat Libya in full inside Syria. Thus the CIA and Turkey and Jordan allied to set up training camps and recruitment offices for any and all Islamic Jihadists looking to fight secular Arabism.
Russia learned from the US take down of Libya. Russia signed up to a no fly zone, which made NATO the official Air Force of Al-Qaeda. This worked to perfection in Libya, so it was to be repeated in Syria. Remember the fake gas attack and Obama's declaration of war on Syria, which Russia cut short?
Not long ago, the USA and Turkey signed a secret accord in which American Air Forces shifted operational bases to
Incirlik Air Base - TurkeyWhy do I highlight that name! Because it is 15 minutes flying time to all of Syria. It was the base from which the USA was going to bomb Assad's nation to dust, and be ISIS official Air Force. Just as in Libya. Most people failed to grasp what this move meant. It put the USA in place to own the skies over Syria. When the US-Turkish deal was signed, Putin reacted with lighting speed to get in between the US Air Forces coming attack on Syria. That is why Russia rushed air defenses, and air attack units to Syria. Russia even used it's electronic warfare gear to shield and cover the movement of aircraft. Neother Turkey or the USA detected the Russian air movements on their radars. Because Russia blinded those radars for the purpose of secret interjection into Syria.
Now Putin called the US bluff, American air forces in Incirlik sit waiting for the air attacks that now will not happen. Why did Putin move so fast and with such decision? because Obama was only days away from an all out air blitz on Syria. Some excuse would have been found, and then ISIS and the US air forces would have attacked in tandem.
What I admire about Putin is that he didn't call a press conference and announce his indignation at the U.S. plans and make demands that they stop and recognize Syria's sovereignty. There was no whining and pounding his fist on the table demanding action. No weeks of press propaganda to demonize America and suggest the need for this kind of action.
Putin just shows up and kicks ass because it's the right thing to do for his country. I can only dream of having a president like that one day...
You are almost certainly in for a REAL long nap.
Obama would have gone on the View to tell us how wonderful he is surrounded by fags and trannies
Slight correction:
"the right thing to do for his country." I would change that to "for his elite." And there damn sure no concern about the people of Syria or other past or present allies. Putin moved because Syria was about to be lost and his naval base would be in danger. Also that would make Lebanon and then Iran vulnerable an in the que. Everyone talks of pipeline others bring out deeper issues such as water and control of the larger land mass. But, if Syria completly falls profits for the elite in Russia are in some danger.
As I say often, Putin has never honored Russia's contract to give Syria and Iran greater self defense ability and sell the S-300/2500 missile to them. Russia even voted for or consented to the sanctions against Iran (and Libya and Iraq and Yemen and Serbia- see the pattern).
The best thing for Russia's people would be to have entered Syria years ago instead of letting it be destroyed, to have enter Libya and stopped the NATO bombs, to have stopped the bombs over Serbia, to have supported Iraq (at least to have stopped Iraq2). Just think how strong Russia could have been if Libya, Syria and Iraq were still intact and selling oil without the US dollars. Their destruction added short term profits for the Russian elite I would think due to the oil supply reduction. Chess needs to be for the long term.
Putin is efficiently getting something done now in Syria without wasting finances. The purpose is yet to be seen.
As I have said previously, this could also ramp up in some ways. The Saudi's announced they will supply better and more weapons to the Syria terrorists. Such as guided anti tank weapons. What caught my ear is the Saudi's saying they may provide non-shoulder fired surface to air missiles. Seems Russia could see those systems by satelite and knock them out easily but the other side is talking about reescalating.
"for his elite"?
Don't make me laugh. As for the Russian elite, it would be much better for them, if Russia obeys the West. If they had any chance, oligarchs would gladly get rid of Putin. The gravest problem for Russia in this conflict with the West is that the Russian banking system now doesn't have access to easy Western money. Besides, Putin directly prohibited all off-shore accounts, to cut the oligarchs off from the Western financing. This is certainly not done for the good of the elites. Yeltsin did things for the good of the "elites" and it almost destroyed Russia.
"The best thing for Russia's people would be to have entered Syria years ago instead of letting it be destroyed" - no it would not! Russia was not ready. What do you know about Russia to make such claims? Russia was a ruined, collapsed country in 2000, when Putin came to power. It took a lot of time to make all things work again. And I think only now, after the true economic attack on Russia, Putin could be sure that Russia is ready for everything, even economic pressures, and that Russia can now get involved and win.
Putin has been great for the Russian people
The only way that could happen is if we vote out all democrats and republicans and outlaw lobby money and other bribery scams..
And wrestle with lions,tigers and bears.
You can't have such a president in the USA, as he would killed. They have tried to kill Putin too, many times, but luckily for him, he has surrounded himself with his loyal FSB knights, who are always few steps ahead in everything. Putin also takes his own food (and even cups) everywhere. And in Russia, meals are often sent to him directly from the head of the Russian Church:-) He obviously takes no chances and that is why he has been able to fight NWO for so long.
But Kerry said US attacks would be "incredibly small" and they have been.
I thought he was referring to his dick.
he is often confused
John Kerry, a man cursed with a horse's face and gorilla's penis.
I read somewhere that Russia was using the eastern Mediterranean drills they had planned for late September as a cover to move military gear to Syria. Russia had described the exercises as "routine".
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Sorry,but I can't agree with you. As you yourself say:
If it is a 'secret accord' then none of us know the resrictions and limitations governing that accord. One such constraint when one power is given the use of another power's base, is the restriction of what action the first power can take from that base.
I maintain that Erdogan, while a bitter enemy of Assad, is not willing to be apart of bombing Syria to dust to remove him from power.
Do you thik any force would be permitted to send planes from Incirlik to bomb TelAviv, Cyprus, or Cairo? Obviously, any power wishing to do so would need permission from Erdogan.
Here is the agreement of Vietnam with foreign navies for their use of Cam Ranh Bay:
The Pentagon had a major shit fit about Vietnam allowing Russian refueling.
I get your drift but what would Erdogan/Turkey do about violations of the restrictions/limitations? Sue? Run to the media? I don't have any idea how 'we' knew of this secret deal but if Jack Burton is correct then we are witnessing 'the polite men in green' on steroids.
What would Erdogan/Turkey do?
Nothing.
They could break relations wih the US/NATO. Put tremendous restrictions on the US/NATO's warships entering the Black Sea, boarding each vessel and tying things up and slowing things down.
Of course, then the US/NATO could invade Turkey and get WWIII started without asking anyone for a 'by your leave.'
Jack Burton assumes that no restrictions exist in these agreements and that Erdogan would permit the Coalition to bomb Damascus as a trade off to attack the Kurds. Breaking its word is standard business proceedure for the US, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Still I disagree.
And Turkey has been serving as base of operations and a protector of anti-Assad forces for much of the conflict.A year ago there were lots of stories how the "rebels" would attack inside Syria and then run into Turkey. Assad's forces could not follow them as that would give Turkey and NATO the pretext to openly attack Syria.
No doubt that Turkey and Erdogan have ill feelngs toward Assad. But I seriously doubt that Erdogan would stoop so low as George W Bush did and destroy what is left of a country to kill a detested leader and add another 100,000 names to the Syrian casualty list.
Bush did so because his father told him it would be alright and God would still love him if he did.
I suspect that the agreement with the US included the provision that the US could use the base if it did not interfere with Turkey attacking the Kurds, which remains Turkey's priority.
Certainly the agreement may have included that provision.
On the other hand, do we know how much the US/NATO previously interfered with the Turks attacking the Kurds? I think Turkey has always had a free hand in attacking any entity attacking Turkey.
Also any secret agreements between the US using Incirlik may have been influenced by previous secret agreements between Erdogan and Putin.
Jack is guessing there are no restrictions. I am guessing there are.
Very good and credible analysis Jack.
off topic
ISIS coins its money in Turkey + Picshttp://en.abna24.com/service/europe/archive/2015/10/08/714235/story.html
That deal was cut with Erdogan several months ago Jack.
incrilik is fully operational and provisioned USAF base.Why the delay ?
Seems like both Russia and the USA were both waiting on the Iran deal to close,
but for very different reasons. No way the Iranians are going to abide by any secret provisions
or codicils.They never were, and why should they ? Kerry and Obozo would look even bigger fools than they already do if the details came out..
i don't agree with your opinion that Putin was panicked into acting at all, but it was a tight horse race
as to who acted first, but we've all been watching the Russians preps for a month.The US has been
effectively blocked from the start of their preps, probably why the Russians didn't even try to hide
them which they could have,they know what time the satelites overfly,and camo is cheap.
A lot more to this story..
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"incrilik is fully operational and provisioned USAF base.Why the delay ?"
Delay? Incirlik air base has been a fully provisioned and operational USAF base since 1955. I served there for 16 months. Trust me. That base has the goods to take the fight right to where the fight is going down -- and kick ass and take names...
I suppose we need approval from Turkey.
I doubt we could use our assets at Clark Air Force base in the Philippines or Cam Ranh Bay in Vienam to attack China.
Doncha think?
Ain't happenin...
You got that right.
I hope when more truthful info comes out about isis, they revisit Benghazi.
benghaz warehouses. and ships that sailed to Syria.
ISIS advances on Aleppo after Russian air strikes force other rebels to retreat… and prevent Western jets from bombing Islamic State as they cannot risk coming into contact with Putin’s warplanes
ISIS have taken advantage and launched a new offensive in Aleppo province following Russia's decision to target Free Syrian army rebels and Al-Qaeda affiliated groups.
The jihadi group released a statement confirming they had taken over the 'strategic' infantry academy close to Aleppo's northern industrial area.
US jets have reportedly been told to keep 20 miles from the Russian jets to avoid getting caught up in clashes, providing ISIS with the chance to make rapid gains without fear of coalition strikes.
Putin came to Syria to "crush ISIS" yet he isn't bombing ISIS. This validates the long standing rumors of Putins involvement with ISIS. BOTTOM LINE/PUTIN = ISIS. Facts are facts.
So the Al-Qaeda rats that are getting pummeled by RuAF/SAA forces fled and new ISIS rats came in and occupied some land that hasn't been pummeled YET. And your logical conclusion is that Putin = ISIS?
Remarkably short-sighted analysis that ignores facts on the ground.
Is your ignorance congenital?
Maybe a hammer accident as a toddler.
He's a Ukrainian troll, so yes.
Anything to demonize Russia. Alls fair in love and war.
"This validates the long standing rumors of Putins involvement with ISIS."
Evidence? links?
Bottom line, CIA = ISIS. Facts are facts.
Disagree, like 9-11, ISIS is a CIA, KSA, Mossad partnership.
What I get out of this is that Obomber and the US government lied again. Is anyone surprised?
There is evil, supremely evil and then there is CIA evil.
The Fleece Initiative, from the old PNAC group, has met resistance to say the least.
Of course Russia would never collaborate with terrorists.
They are looking to be the hero of Europe by solving the refugee crisis.
And fix everything.
Oh boy, you guys.
Russia now has a strong foothold in the ME
They will get burned, but they will have a foothold
Major power shift
Meanwhile the US heroes that foiled a terror attack in France are stabbing targets by the crazy Muslims
And the US will do nothing as usual
Stabbings all over the place, Jerusalem too, oh, I know that upset some of you.
That's the new reality.
The sheep head blindly into the slaughter
strange isnt it?
Duck and cover.
duck and eat shit that the msm serves you
Putin stated at the UNGA that Russia would no longer stand by and be fed a constant stream of SHIT from the Zionist/US - This is the fist time in history that the US has been told to FUCK OFF - Zionist/US either exit with dignity or become economically and militarily irrelevant - The world population has doubled since 1970 - it will double again by 2050 - US solution is perpetual war and implementation of Agenda 21 - Killing 13 out of every 14 - Obviously we need an alternative to that !!!
Even MOAR duck and cover ? Had enough when I was 10.
Speculate by all means. Keeps people Stateside amused. Two things are clear though:- Vlad knows what he is doing, Barak 'peace prize' is lost. Hopelessly. And the US's allies (and foes) see that.
The US was calling Turkey military one hour before the strike to tell them location and time of the strike and Turkey relied it to the IS so fighters could slowly walk away to safe places and wait.
While they suppose to take western hostages with them they mostly forgot and hence many killed by US bombing.
The whole US air campaign was a lie. The Russians mean business.
For Syrian war update got to:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/syrian-war-update/
Support your traditional allies, do not risk strengthening your foes. Obama's world vision has acheived the reverse.
So, the Russians are bombing not "ISIS" but "Al-Qaeda and that is bad according to the msm. The same al-qaeda that brought the twin towers down. Tell me more about the fight against terrorism...
Not a bad article, but he lost me when he put in the obligatory nastiness towards "brutal" Assad. So I looked up the author. He writes for the Guaniard (from guano+barnyard), the Atlantic and a bunch of other assets of the empire. I guess his philosophy of life is that it's okay to eat a little bit of shit if it's with a golden spoon. Since he has a Muslim name, I am reminded that it is halal to drink cow urine for medicinal purposes. So he is sort of religiously sanctioned.
About the Assads -- here is an article from Vogue, from 2011, since censored and apologised for, "A Rose in the Desert: Asma Al-Assad, Lady Diana of the Middle East", but available here:
http://www.sott.net/article/264587-A-Rose-in-the-Desert-Asma-Al-Assad-La...
If the USA created ISIS to make Al-Qaeda look moderate so AQ could be organized into Syrian proxy fighters that means the Muslim Brotherhood has been given a makeover and promoted as the new dovish poster child for the religion of peace.
"Huhrrr?" -- Scooby Doo
this...
Peace march just bombed in Istabul.
Peace march just bombed in Istanbul.
Muslim Troll board
US fault
Worship Putin
Well, there is a simple reason why Russia is targetting Al Nusra & Partners, and not ISIL yet. It's called a military operation. First you unlock key areas where are most of your ground forces and clear the way for the logistics. When this is done, then you move eastwards and fight core ISIL. (they may strengthen the northern front by arming Kurdish militias - Russia has already indicated that they will)
Well, why did the Allies open a Western front in Normandy and Italy in 1943-44 instead of landing in Germany straight away? Were there then any reasons for that particular choices?