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"Carpe Chaos" - ISIS, Israel, Iraq, & Syria: It's All Part Of The Plan
Authored by Dan Sanchez, originally posted at AntiWar.com,
Israel lacks a national motto. If its leaders are looking for a Latin one, “carpe chaos” would be an apt and honest choice.
“Seize the chaos” is half of Israeli foreign policy in a nutshell (the other half being the instigation of that chaos in the first place). Indeed, even its friends in the media cannot help but put it in such terms. For example, The New York Times recently reported about the:
“…many Israeli leaders and thinkers seizing on the chaos in Syria to solidify Israel’s hold on Golan.”
This refers to the Golan Heights, which Israel captured from Syria in 1967 and has occupied ever since. Even the Israel-enabling United Nations considers that occupation and subsequent annexation to be unjust and illegal. Returning Golan to Syria has long been advanced as part of a potential peace deal.
But now, Israel is using the civil war in Syria as an excuse to expand settlements in the Golan Heights; a senior minister wants 100,000 new residents in the next five years. Its potential uses are manifold:
“The 400-plus square miles of the Israeli-controlled Golan on the northeast border with Syria is both strategic plateau and lush agricultural terrain yielding prize apples, cherries and beef. It is also a vast playground that drew 3 million tourist visits last year.”
This is Israel’s usual M.O. in the Palestinian West Bank as well: forging ahead with illicit settlements to establish “realities on the ground” that will be too intractable to reverse, thereby fixing the occupation permanently in place.
Advocates of the new Golan settlements defend them by citing the chaos in Syria:
“With Syria ‘disintegrating’ after years of civil war, they argue, it is hard to imagine a stable state to which the territory could be returned.”
The Times quotes Israeli MP Michael Oren who adds a blatant lebensraum argument to the case for good measure:
“We need places to build, and the world doesn’t want us to build in the West Bank. I don’t think anyone in the world can come at us and say we’re building on land that’s going to be part of a peace deal if we build on the Golan Heights.”
“Seize the chaos” is not a new doctrine: neither is it limited to Israeli halls of power. A veritable “carpe chaos” manifesto was written in 1996 for a Washington think tank by David Wurmser, an Israel-first neocon (but I repeat myself) who would later play a key role in the Bush administration’s drive to the Iraq War: advising Dick Cheney in the Vice President’s Office, assisting John Bolton at the State Department, and fabricating fanciful “connections” between Iraq and Al Qaeda at the Department of Defense.

David Wurmser
In “Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant,” Wurmser made a case for “limiting and expediting the chaotic collapse” of the Baathist governments in Iraq and Syria.
Wurmser predicted that “Baathism’s days are numbered,” due to its own inherent failings as a stable basis for statehood. Indeed, he argued, Arab nationalism in general was unsuitable for the Arab people, given their particularist and tribal tendencies. Therefore, its adoption can only condemn Arab countries to forever “fluctuate between repression and anarchy.”
In particular, the Gulf War had “accelerated Iraq’s descent into internal chaos.” To Wurmser, this made the Middle East of 1996 resemble Europe of 1914. Just before World War I, the Ottoman Empire had long been dubbed “the sick man of Europe.” Its imminent demise was beyond doubt; what was in question was who would get to despoil its corpse.
In 1996 Iraq was “the sick man of the Middle East.” Wurmser predicted that, after the inevitable downfall of its ruler Saddam Hussein, Iraq would be dominated either by the Baathist regime in Syria or the “Hashemite” royal house in Jordan.
He characterized Iraq not as any serious threat to Israel or the West but as “the prize” in a Middle Eastern game of thrones:
“The prize itself is more powerful than any of the neighbors that covet it. Iraq, a nation of 18 million, occupies some of the most strategically important and well-endowed territories of the Middle East.”
Wurmser called for the West and Israel to help the Hashemite monarch of Jordan win this game of thrones by enthroning one of his kin as king of Iraq. He advanced what he termed Jordan’s “Hashemite option for Iraq” as a far superior alternative to a Syrian-dominated continuation of Baathist Arab nationalism. The former, he averred, is “more solid and traditional,” and:
“The Hashemites alone are adept enough in forging strong tribal, familial and clan alliances to create viable nations in the Levant.”
Of course Wurmser’s amateur sociological analysis is poppycock, and the real advantage the neocons saw in the “Hashemite option” was that the royal house of Jordan is obedient to Israel because it is a wholly-owned western client completely dependent on the hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid the US feeds it every year.
Indeed, Wurmser hinted at this real reason when he argued that, if Iraq were to go Hashemite:
“…then Syria would be isolated and surrounded by a new pro-western Jordanian-Israeli-Iraqi-Turkish bloc…”
Thus isolated, Baathist Syria’s own inevitable “chaotic collapse” could then be “expedited.” And the expanded pro-western bloc could:
“…contain and manage… the scope of the coming chaos in Iraq and most probably in Syria.”
This was the “balance of power strategy” Wurmser proposed for the West and Israel, to replace the despised:
“…quest for ‘comprehensive peace?—?including its ‘land for peace’ provision, with Syria.”
Nineteen years later, Wurmser must now be elated that the Golan Heights are, as discussed above, being taken off the table for any future “land for peace” deals thanks to his hoped-for chaotic collapse in Syria.
In fact, mere months before he wrote “Coping with Crumbling States,” Wurmser made the case for implacable antagonism toward Syria as a preferred alternative to returning Golan in particular:
“Given the nature of the regime in Damascus, it is both natural and moral that Israel abandon the slogan ‘comprehensive peace’ and move to contain Syria, drawing attention to its weapons of mass destruction program, and rejecting ‘land for peace’ deals on the Golan Heights.”
Wurmser wrote this in the infamous policy paper “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” which was addressed, not to Washington, but to Tel Aviv (indicating his true loyalties).
In “A Clean Break,” Wurmser even more expressly made the case for outright regime change in Iraq as a “means” of “weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria.” (This in turn was imperative because, “Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil.”)
“A Clean Break” was written under the auspices of a “study group” headed by Wurmser’s mentor Richard Perle and including fellow Perle-protege Douglas Feith. This is extremely significant because Perle and Feith, like Wurmser, also played key roles in the Bush administration’s war drive.
For more details on both the “Lebanese connection” mentioned above and the role of the “Clean Breakers” in starting the Iraq War, see my essay, “Clean Break to Dirty Wars.”
Indeed, it is Washington’s Israeli-occupied foreign policy that has enabled Israel’s “seize the chaos” doctrine by using America’s vast imperial might to create so much seizable chaos in the first place.
As it turned out, Iraq was not nearly as mired in mayhem or blundering toward the brink as Wurmser judged in 1996. At the dawn of the 21st century, Saddam was as firmly ensconced in power as ever. So much for Wurmser as a geopolitical analyst.
This posed a problem. There was no chance of “expediting” a “chaotic collapse” that wasn’t there; a process has to exist first before it can be accelerated. So Wurmser and the other neocons in the Bush administration had to cook up a collapse from scratch themselves.
And it took a full-scale invasion and occupation by a global superpower to make this particular Leninist “omelet,” at the cost of a prodigious amount of “broken eggs”: 4,425 American lives and $1.7 trillion.
But the neocons and Israel finally did get their longed for chaotic collapse in Iraq, along with the deaths of over a million Iraqis and the displacement of millions more. This blood-soaked business is what they call “statecraft.”
Yet, even then, the best laid plans of the neocons and Likudniks still completely failed to pan out.
In both of his seminal strategy documents of 1996, Wurmser imagined that if the Hashemites were installed in Iraq, they could use their influence with a certain prominent cleric there to turn the Shiites of Syria and Lebanon against Assad, Iran, and Hezbollah.
And the “Coping” report envisioned a supporting role in that project for Ahmed Chalabi, identified by Wurmser as “one of the most prominent of the Iraqi opposition figures to Saddam” and “himself a Shiite and a close, long-time Hashemite confidant.” Wurmser further anticipated that:
“…pro-Jordan Iraq Shiites as Ahmed Chalabi… would define the Iraqi Shiite community after Saddam’s removal.”
By the Iraq War, the neocons had given up on outright enthroning a Hashemite in Baghdad. It’s one thing to coordinate something like that from behind the scenes, but installing a royal despot through a high-profile American war would have made for unacceptably bad press for Washington.
So Perle and Company settled for a “democratic” “Hashemite option.” In this Plan B, “Hashemite confidant” Ahmed Chalabi graduated from a supporting to a leading role in Israel’s plan for the new Iraq.
Chalabi had long delighted the neocons by feeding Washington bogus “intelligence” on Iraqi weapons that eventually helped to justify the US invasion. On the basis of this rapport, Chalabi assured the neocons that, as a leading light in “democratic” Iraq, he would steer state policy in Israel’s favor. The neocons even swallowed his pledge to build a pipeline for them from Iraq’s oilfields to an Israeli refinery and port.
None of Chalabi’s promises ever manifested. As it turned out, Chalabi was just as much an agent of Iran (enemy to both Saddam and Israel) as he was a “Hashemite confidant.” For more details on this, see the amazing article, “How Ahmed Chalabi Conned the Neocons.”
The neocons and Israel got their war and collapse in Iraq, but it blew up in their faces. The new US-armed Iraqi government, as well as the Shiite militias that do most of its fighting, became dominated, not by loyal Jordan, but by hated Iran. Oops.
And after the war, the neocons were faced, not with Wurmser’s anticipated “Jordanian-Israeli-Iraqi-Turkish bloc,” but what they perceive as an anti-Israel “Shia crescent” including Iran, Iraq, Syria, and (most importantly) Hezbollah in Lebanon. Far from being isolated, Syria seemed to have more friends than ever. Oops.
But Israel sure as hell wasn’t going to leave bad enough alone. Where the subtleties of neocon “strategists” miserably failed, Israel’s influence over the sheer wealth and brute power of the US empire (what Wurmser has called its “raw capability”) would have to make up the difference once again.
So for the sake of Israel, and since at least 2007, Washington, along with its regional allies, has been waging a broad covert proxy war to undermine the “Shia crescent.” This policy pivot, which legendary journalist Seymour Hersh dubbed “The Redirection,” has involved supporting Sunni Islamist mujahideen in Lebanon, Syria, and Iran.
Then, after the 2011 “Arab Spring” of popular uprisings reached Syria, “The Redirection” went into overdrive. The US-led regional coalition (Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc) has been strenuously trying to overthrow the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad since at least 2012 by heavily sponsoring an insurgency led by jihadists including Al Qaeda and ISIS .
Israel has also been contributing to the cause of chaos more directly. Like a prizefighter’s “cutman,” the Israeli military has stood in Al Qaeda’s corner, taking in its wounded terrorist “rebels,” patching them up, and then sending them back into Syria to resume fighting.
In Syria too, the neocons and Israel have finally seen their longed for chaotic collapse, to the tune of a quarter of a million Syrian deaths and millions more displaced (many fleeing to Europe or drowning en route).
As discussed above, Israel has seized on the chaos it has unleashed on its northern neighbor as an excuse for expanding settlements in the Golan Heights.
Moreover, whenever that chaos even slightly spills over into Golan, Israel has been seizing that as a pretext for still more war.
Syrian soldiers are desperately battling Al Qaeda just north of Golan. Whenever a shell strays into the Heights (almost always exploding harmlessly in some unoccupied field), Israel responds by bombing Syrian military positions, thus effectively serving as Al Qaeda’s air force as well as its combat medic.
It does this regardless of (and generally clueless as to) who actually fired the offending projectile: whether it was the Syrian army, Al Qaeda, or any other faction. As CBS News related in a report of recent such strikes:
“Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, an Israeli military spokesman, said in a statement that Israel holds the Syrian military ‘responsible and accountable for any aggression emanating from Syria.’”
Israel’s self-righteously sociopathic behavior toward Syria and the Golan Heights beggars belief. It’s like some wealthy homeowner taking over his poor neighbor’s backyard and then sending a gang of crazed ruffians to invade his home. Then in the ensuing brawl, when something crashes through the neighbor’s window onto the seized yard, the land thief yells from a balcony, “Why can’t you get your house in order!” and fires at him with a shotgun. Then the thief walks back to his room muttering to himself, “What a hopeless basket case! How I’m definitely not giving him back his yard.”
What makes it especially incredible is that the ruffians in the real-life scenario are Al Qaeda and ISIS. But from the twisted perspective of Israel and the neocons, it makes perfect sense.
Even way back in 1996, Wurmser was already stressing in his “Coping” report that Arab nationalism must be considered enemy number one, and that Islamic fundamentalism was only a distant second.
Wurmser flat-out rejected any pragmatic detente with the Baathists, even for the sake of having a “bulwark” against the spread of radical Islam. He despised any such “peace process” as “prop[ping] up secular-Arab nationalism in its crumbling weakness.” He contended that such a policy is:
“…anchored to the belief that [secular-Arab nationalism] can be “reformed” enough to be resurrected as a bulwark against Islamic fundamentalism. Yet, one of the main strategic objectives of the peace process is to perpetuate Levantine secular-Arab nationalist regimes. Indeed, the previous Israeli government believed that, “[Israel’s] role is to protect the existingregimes, to prevent or halt the process of radicalization, and to block the expansion of fundamental religious zealotry.”
But the present study… shows that the pursuit of comprehensive peace and the effort to harness secular-Arab nationalist regimes such as Syria’s in the battle to stem the fundamentalist tide is not only futile. It is also a dangerous strategic misstep. ”
Wurmser argued that US support for secular Arab-nationalist Iraq in its brutal invasion of fundamentalist Iran in the 1980s was “an explosive mistake,” as Iraq’s subsequent “rogue” invasion of Kuwait demonstrated. And so:
“The same lesson should now be applied to Syria. It is in both Israel’s and the West’s interest to expedite the demise of secular-Arab nationalism. (…) The pursuit of the peace process is preventing this.”
Secular-Arab nationalism, Wurmser insisted, is nothing but an “obstacle” to introducing better defenses against and alternatives to fundamentalism, and to “more healthy future” for the Arab world.
“The West and its local friends must engage fundamentalism with better associates than Baathists.”
Such thinking would seem to explain the otherwise baffling tendency of today’s policy makers in Washington and Tel Aviv to stubbornly insist on the overthrow of one secular-Arab nationalist regime after another?—?Saddam in Iraq, Gaddafi in Libya, and now Assad in Syria?—?even though it invariably leads to explosive growth for extreme Islamist groups in membership, might, and conquests.
Yet, one would expect the 9/11 attacks to have pulled the rug out from under this rationale. Aren’t the 9/11 attacks why the US is raining bombs throughout the Muslim world in the first place? And secular-Arab nationalists didn’t knock down the Twin Towers; Islamic fundamentalists did.
Even ignoring the crucial issues of empire and blowback, and taking militaristic “offense as the best defense” premises for granted, shouldn’t Islamist terror organizations?—?which have actually attacked American cities?—?be menace number one, and secular-Arab nationalist states?—?which have never dared?—?be at most a distant second?
And so, especially after 9/11, wouldn’t creating “jihadist wonderlands” throughout the Middle East by decapitating the secular-Arab nationalist regimes that are the jihadists’ chief mortal enemies be the last thing our government should do? Especially when one of the groups thriving the most amid the chaos is Al Qaeda, the very perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks?
Not from Israel’s perspective. Michael Oren (the lebensraum-loving Israeli official mentioned above) has made it crystal clear that Wurmser’s priorities are still official state policy. In 2013, at the end of his tenure as Israeli ambassador to the US, Oren delivered this parting message through The Jerusalem Post:
“‘The initial message about the Syrian issue was that we always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran,’ he said.
This was the case, he said, even if the other ‘bad guys’ were affiliated to al-Qaida.
‘We understand that they are pretty bad guys,’ he said, adding that this designation did not apply to everyone in the Syrian opposition. “Still, the greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc. That is a position we had well before the outbreak of hostilities in Syria. With the outbreak of hostilities we continued to want Assad to go.’”

Michael Oren
Then in 2014, just after ISIS advanced through Iraq to Mosul and declared itself a Caliphate, Oren said this regarding the conflict between the Shiite-led government of Syria and the Sunni extremists overrunning eastern Syria and western Iraq:
“From Israel’s perspective, if there’s got to be an evil that’s got to prevail, let the Sunni evil prevail.”
Lest he be misunderstood, by “Sunni evil” Oren is here specifically referring to ISIS. This is clear, because seconds before, he conveyed his recognition of the fact that they are indeed “bad guys” by referring to a specific mass-execution that ISIS had just committed.
That is Israel’s position. “Assad must go. We prefer Al Qaeda. Let ISIS prevail.”
In other words: “To hell with your towers, America. And your big city residents can go to hell too, where they can burn along with the Syrian victims of Al Qaeda and ISIS for all I care. Israel has its own regional strategic goals to think of. Now get back to work to pay your taxes so your government can keep decimating Muslim countries for me and my power clique and keep sending us billions of dollars in foreign aid.”
This from “America’s greatest friend in the Middle East.”
Israel would have preferred to have the Levant ruled by stable sock puppets of the West. But failing that, it would much rather be surrounded by an extremist-stricken Muslim maelstrom of mutual massacres than to have in its neighborhood even a single secular-Arab nationalist state with an independent rational leadership, a steady tax base, and a disciplined military.
And for 14 years, Washington has been adopting Israel’s perspective on this question with incredible fidelity. And as a recently-released government intelligence document revealed, it has done so knowing full well that it would likely result in the Levant being overrun by America-hating Islamic terrorists.
And thus it is demonstrated that the only enemy of the American people greater than Israel’s government is our own.
David Wurmser warned that if the West did not adopt his warlike strategic vision, it:
“…will still not get peace. Instead it will look beyond Israel’s borders at secular-Arab nationalism’s final legacy: a chaotic sea… (which will painfully intrude on the West)…”
The West has indeed adopted the neocon/Israeli strategy, precipitating the “chaotic collapse” of secular-Arab nationalism in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. But the chaos has not been “contained and managed” as Wurmser anticipated. Neither has it cleared the way for “a more healthy future” as he promised.
Instead it has created exactly what Wurmser said it would prevent: a “chaotic sea” immersing the entire Middle East and “painfully intrud[ing] on the West.” That chaotic sea is even lapping up onto the shores of Europe in the form of the refugee crisis.
And now that Russia has been drawn into the Syrian war, where its bombers and troops operate at cross purposes with American bombers and proxy fighters, the chaotic sea threatens to become a thermonuclear lake of fire engulfing the whole world.
Israel may eventually see every secular-Arab nationalist regime that defies it fall. It may yet see Assad die in some humiliating way, just as it saw Saddam hanged before a jeering crowd and Gaddafi sodomized in the street. It may also finally see American bombs raining down on Tehran.
Israeli troops may once again march upon Beirut, and this time see every important member of Hezbollah executed or buried under a prison. (It’s extremely unlikely, but it’s conceivable.) It may then have total sway over Lebanon and untrammeled access to all its natural resources (including the coveted Litani River).
Israel may never have to give the Palestinians freedom, restitution, or peace. And it may never have to give up any of its territorial spoils of war: the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, or the Golan Heights. Golan’s “places to build,” its “strategic plateau,” its “prize apples,” and its “vast playground” spaces may be Israel’s until the end of mankind.
But if that end is a decade from now?—?or a day?—?will it really be worth it?
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I behalf of all good people around the world I want to thank ZH for publishing this article. Everyone everywhere should read it.
Grokk these...between them, outside of having your blood pressure raised a few bar at least, a deep game appears clear...
Israel is digging it's own grave, every day...a deeply diseased natiional ideology based on a sickening "book" is the source...
Of course, one can keep diving back further in history to find the source (Nimrod, Babylon etc.), but this last 2000 year odd go-around seems definitely to be peaking .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNS2O57mv2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYZ_kWHk3Q
Israel appears to be currently leading the way towards the paradox of Neolithic Civilization: final failure from too much success.
P.S.
While I may not totally agree with the article above, I too admire Zero Hedge for republishing it.
i also admire zh for continuing to not report on the islamic invasion of the eu...just dried up all of a sudden like someone got a phone call
So what is Russia up to then? Bibi was in Moscow days before Putin sent in the aiforce, and now they are cooperating with Israhell providing Russia with intelligence. What is Putin's real game?
Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!
http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
What's this Tyler's, an openly non pro-zionist piece or cartoon?
Why don't you get Andrew Anglin over for guest piece and then we can directly to the core of the problem, or perhaps that will be just a little to much truth for people to handle.
joos weakness is money
just send a couple helicopter with money and they will kill each other
"i also admire zh for continuing to not report on the islamic invasion of the eu..."
Yes, cuz it would be unkind, inconsiderate and "mean-spirited" (lol...that ridiculous, Clintonian phrase) to truthfully report that 70% of these poor "immigrants" are males of military age with zero intent of ever going back.
That kind of thing could get one labeled as a neo-whatever...name the flavor of the hour.
No they do not lack a motto,
since the days of the Six Day War the Motto and battle cry of the IDF has been,
No longer like Masada but like Sampson, if we go we'll take the world with us!
"Yes, cuz it would be unkind, inconsiderate and "mean-spirited" (lol...that ridiculous, Clintonian phrase) to truthfully report that 70% of these poor "immigrants""
ssshhh! don't forget once they are in the eu they bring in their wives, children, uncles, aunts, grandfathers, grandmothers and cousins all on the free shit just like here in the usa all under color of law....sshhh!....one would almost think there was a western conspiracy to destroy the native people...not the same but similar to american indians being destroyed by their chiefs being bought out by whiskey, small pox blankets and wampum
The funniest part of the book is where the money changers get thrown out of the temple. That's a good one!
If they did get thrown out, they were gone for about 30 seconds.
'Especially when one of the groups thriving the most amid the chaos is Al Qaeda, the very perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks?'
Wtf? I stopped reading at that point.
Of course Israel has a national motto, " BY WAY OF DECEPTION". It could be just as easily "divide and conquer".
It worked on the Canaanites.
It worked for America too. We called it Manifest Destiny and expanded the Country from the east coast to the west coast, killing anyone who got in the way, claiming it was our destiny. Every nation in history has sought to expand and control their neighbors, Jewish or not. If the Germans had it their way we'd all be speaking German. Who knows, If we hadn't dominated North America it may have been the Russians expanding from Alaska to the east Coast. Japan has done the same and worse across China. These things always blow up in the face of the aggressors eventually, as it did for Japan, Russia, Germany, Rome, and the ottoman empire too.
Sounds like a great description of the Syrian armies actions leading up to the six day war.
Very good indeed. In a weird way, it advocates for Trump, who would shut down these wankers and their insufferable horseshit once and for all.
I'll stick my dik in the candle wax.
This is a well written article. Come on you whimps!
Crickets---
Well, one thing is for sure.
FalconFlight wont like this article.
Well, let me guess... Moar chaos it is then?
Israel lacks a national motto.
How's about, "Never Pay Retail!"
Just trying to help...
"We need a new Pearl Harbor."
indeed. and we need to get our nation to understand what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhROd7Jt3-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgM6hjNedE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_AL4OlmHc&feature=iv&src_vid=rnbMjAN7B...
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
I always thought it was "Never Again"
Actually it's "Never Forgive, Never Forget", perhaps one of the most hypocritical national brainwashing/propaganda slogans in history, given their history that is.....
The mantra is slowly switching from «Never again» to «Never happened»....
Kike.
Israel lacks a national motto.
How's about, "Never Pay Retail!"
How about
"Arbeit macht frei"oi vey!
one word...........FUCK ISREAL
there's a better option, starts with N
"I must die so that my people can live. But my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know I was right."---Hitler.
FUCK IS REAL ....that's three words.....Obama voter, huh?
I am reading unconfirmed reports that Turkey has shot down a Russian jet over its airspace.
If true, this conflict is about to get much nastier.
originally from same social account that said Russian Armata tanks sighted in Ukraine
and other crazy claims..
The source is social media.
So 99% of Americans think it's true then.....What's your point?
I am reading unconfirmed reports that Turkey has shot down a Russian jet over its airspace.
If true, this conflict is about to get much nastier.
I read that too.....apparently there are 17 people here who cannot read.
Either way, i have ring of fire playing over and over in my head. I must add that to my tunes list... popcorn and that song as i watch the eastern seaboard light up in thermonuclear hell... what a day! It will be Bush's fault anyway. America, you have a huge plot of purple mountain majesty up you ass...wake the hell up.
After reading that I now know why the Jews are so hated as well as the U.S. and her allies by Muslims. The Germans were punished for their atrocities but the West and Israel seem to be able to do what they want to millions of people. A very thought provoking article.
there is no proof of German "atrocities" except from the 'jew stream media'.......put that in ur pipe and smoke it.....
http://justice4germans.com/
"These Holocaust deniers are very slick people," says Steven Some, Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education, "They justify everything they say with facts and figures." (Newark Star-Ledger, Oct 23, 1996, p 15)
yeah it's pathetic. You can't justify the Holocaust on facts -it's a religion -a state religion. You just have to have faith - if you don't you are are surely damned -not in the next world, but this one. The Zio-Inquistion will assure it.
But I thought six million sounded really ---you know --precise and acurate. Come to think of it haven't I heard that six million thing somewhere else----na--couldn't be--must be my imagination----
six million--the jewish number---
Either way, the concept that mankind can and IS REPEATEDLY lied to at an unimaginable success rate is downright frightening. We will be fed anything and form opinions to act as they want us to act. Makes you wonder about social media, where one can be unfriended out of existence, or liked into the presidency. We are SO SCREWED.
Yep.
Anyone who actually takes the time to study the facts can learn it's mostly BS.
Work/internment camps existed, but there were no gas chambers and there were no crematoriums that could dispose of anywhere near the amount of bodies claimed. The people that died (and the post war pictures we are fed) are mostly typhus victims.
Even the "confessions" from Germans were taken under torture.
Oh and the number 6 million as it relates to Jews massacred had been used in the 19th and early 20th century several times unsuccessfully in the same fashion. Encyclopedia Britannica circa 1910-1916 has a paragraph claiming 6 million jews were massacred in modern Ukraine.
The lie is very strong, and even in the face of facts I wanted to give the official story the benefit of doubt until I cracked open an ENcyclopedia Britannica from 1911 (or 1913) and read that "6 million" massacre pararaph. Coincidences and mistakes like that don't exist. It's, for the most part, bullshit and they were stupid enough to use a number they tried to previously.
show link or get off pot
call me when u get Lindsay Grahams cock out of ur mouth........
http://justice4germans.com/
My misake, it was from Britannica 10th edition (1902)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=2Z1jTf7YN4qw8gP9w83xCA&ct=result&id=...
The specific quote reads:"Though anti-Semitism has been unmasked and discredited, it is to be feared that its history is not yet at an end. While there remain in Russia and Rumania over six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded.." pg.482
This number was also again brought up in several sentences in the 11th (1910) and 12th edition Britannica, under the same context of persecuted 6 million jews.
There is also a page here that aggregates more articles that can be referenced in regards to the made up 6 million:
http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaus...
The six million number was invoked multiple times in the 20th century. Some suggest that it is a kabala number, a reasonable explanation how this specific number has been used to quantitatively describe Jewish victims.
Honest and dispassionate scholarship will show that the narrative we are give from Kindergarten onward is a lie. There it is, I'm out of the closest (err, sort of.)
The dreaded einsattsgruppen and their alleged kill counts don't make any sense, for example. I read one account that alleged a particular unit killed something like 20,000 Jews in Ukraine in a matter of two or three days. Looking at the small number assigned to the unit and very limited resources they possessed, it is simply impossible. Indeed, the open and functioning Jewish quarter during and after in the town in question makes the claim even more absurd.
Many Jews did die in the camps- after the entire world went to war with Germany and began bombing the heart of the country. Supplies were extremely limited at that point and it is no wonder that people got sick in high numbers. If the tables were turned, the prisoners in US concentration camps would have gotten no better treatment.
Whatever the merits of Hitler's national socialism, it seems to me that he clearly opposed what we call today the 'new world order system', rejected the endless financial scams emanating from the US and UK, and opposed the Freemasons. In my view, that is why to this day the peers that be regard World War II as a sort of holy war with a narrative that is state religion.
If you doubt the latter statement, publicly doubt the official line of the Good War and watch how fast you lose friends, jobs, and social inclusion!
Great post.
Hasbara troll cominng to hijack in 3--2---
6 million Jews, 1 million Iraqis... at this point, what difference does it make?
Demography is a social/pseudo science, just like economics. Once you move from the theoretical world and try to apply it to the real world, you have to be very careful with assumptions and conclusions.
The difference between a charlatan or a bigot and someone who actually is intellectually rigorous is very often unobjective hypocrisy and failing to be consistent with methodologies when it suits one's objectives.
My bigger problem with the article was this turd-for-brains throwaway line, "which was addressed, not to Washington, but to Tel Aviv (indicating his true loyalties)." That did not need to be in there, and raises questions about the author and distracts from a subject (Israel's foreign policy) that doesn't get enough serious coverage. IASPS paid the study group to write Clean Break. Labor should be free to market its services, and intellectual and ideological subjugation of the individual to the State should be shunned and ridiculed (regardless of whether it's subjugation to the One Corporatist party or Obozo's cock). Why the US should basically adopt Israeli foreign policy as its own is a different question. But as it's written it reeks of Maoist 'Murican Nationalism. Does the author think that the "true loyalties" of anyone who writes in support of Putin should be questioned (e.g. John Mearsheimer or the local Puti trolls)?
AntiWar.com, OilPrice.com... Tyler's versions of scraping the bottom the barrel.
Allow me to add to your comment with this (rather well done) video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM
Once you start putting the puzzle together it's not a surprise why there is such an insistence on the "holocaust" and "Hitler was evil incarnate".
Anyone who dares say otherwise is instantly identified and made an example of. In Europe you'll be thrown in jail for 5+ years for questioning the "holocaust". I'm sure they'd love to do the same in the US.
There is a blatant, concentrated effort to suppress the truth and thwart any would-be dissenters as Western civilization dies.
If Americans want to see their future then they should look at the past. Specifically the Weimar Republic.
Just remember: you can't say you weren't warned.
Can I ask you then, if there were 9.5 million Jews living in Europe in 1933 and 3.5m Jews in 1945, where did they all go?
Good commenT BUT you are butting your head against the wall when the Stormfront..Hitler was a misunderstood pussy cat who would not hurt a fly crowd ..come out. A great article on modern zionist overreach and undue influence, turns into a nut fest. No matter the documentation provided, far too many n ZH turn into nut jobs when subject of jews or Israel is topic. So we turn from the facts presented in the article to how HOLOCAUST never happened. No matter that nazis, being superb record keepers with the latest of tat era data processing provided by Anglo Albert Watson of IBM......kept damn good records, including items stolen and uses of vaious body parts. While jews suffered mightily death of gentiles overall, especially in Poland exceeded number of jews killed. Documents can still be accessed in library of congress, Eisenhower library, Yale Avalon Project, and thousands if not millions of items if you go to Europe and plow through records, when avaiable, in France, Rusxia, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Czech Reupblic, etc etc etc. I am sure the flatbearthers will still deny it, but then expect that..really for supposedly intelligent people the Jew bashing is mindless and over the top. AGAIN this ZH article, kudos to the Tylers for printing it..was a great service to understanding of what has really gone down in the ME last 50 years. As an aside before down votes commence, from Eisenhower to Gen. George C Marshall, June 1945: General Eisenhower wrote the following:
On a recent tour of the forward areas in First and Third Armies, I stopped momentarily at the salt mines to take a look at the German treasure. There is a lot of it. But the most interesting — although horrible — sight that I encountered during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops the tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”
Given most of the Jews exterminated were Poles, at least half, Hitler and Himmler and the boys had near as much hatred for Poles as Jews..3 million Polish catholics died in the camps. Poland's population losses during World War II were proportionately by far the greatest of any nation participating in the war. Of its 35 million people before the war, Poland lost 6.5 million. An estimated 664,000 were battlefield deaths (this figure exceeds combined losses of the United States and Great Britain in WWII), and the remainder, or 90 percent, were civilians of all ages (Norman Davies, Europe: A History, Oxford 1996, 1328; Richard Lukas, The Forgotten Holocaust, U. of Kentucky Press 1986, 39; The 1992 Almanac, Houghton Mifflin 310). LET THE DOWN VOTES COMMENCE.
I'm glad to look at your data. Post your sources and I promise to respond after making some investigation. Respectfully, your assertion alone on those specific numbers and undefined regions (that is, define 'Europe' and show your sources for 3.5 and 9.5 million) are not ipso facto true. Contrary to what you and apparently 2-3 others assume, this has nothing to do with bigotry. I find the skinhead and neo-Nazi movements to be only problems: most of the people who join are upset with PC anti-culture and get roped into to these by 100% government owned leaders. I think there was one case in which a noted American rabbi was effectively managing a compound of such folk. Some of us however are interested in the truth. He who surrenders his past this surrenders his future. As another poster commented, modern Europe and the US has Weimar written all over it.
Search for yourself you lazy fuck.
Show link. Here's all you need:
http://vho.org/aaargh/index.html
Very interesting. What a world.
DUDE... quit drinking that kool aide. I remember back when i was a kid and we would go to the Wendy's fast food place. the older woman there who worked at the drive thru had the tattoo on her forearm. she never tried to hide it. You probably don't believe that we landed on the moon, either. I grew up in al that. grew up with the people who did it. The problem with morons like yourself is that you never bother to speak to individuals who were there and living at the time. They killed a lot of people and not just jews. Unfortunately, they didn't kill the right jews like the rothchilds.
Please explain how a tattoo on an arm proves a systematic effort to gas and cremate 6 million people.
Endulge us with your imagination.
she was like fucking six when she was in the camps. all her family died. she worked at wendy's in america at old age. talking to real people instead of reading shit gives one a better insight of reality.
though, i'm sure you will tell me she was a 'plant'... that she was just realiting her 'story' to some privledged white kids for shits and giggles. maybe the CIA and Illuminati paid her tons of money to work the drive through at Wendy's and disinform us.
They were in a work camp during the war. Yes people died. People starved, died of disease and the odd person was murdered. My points were that 1) there was no proven systematic gassing and extermination and 2) the 6 million number is a made up farce that calls into question all other claims.
Don't forget who we are talking about. A group of people that lie and maniuplate humanity to get ahead, as has been proven by history.
Let's look at a modern example. This is what they do:
http://www.bestgore.com/police-brutality/israel-agent-provocateur-plant-...
Now do you really think its the Palestinians that are shooting rockets into Israel that for some reason almost never do any damage?
ah... i see. sounds like you're describing a dastardly goup of people that are so evil... they should be wiped out as the xenophobes see them as responsible. not much diffrent from when europe suffered the black death and the different folks were chosen as scapegoats to blame and irradicate. Matter of fact, Poland had so many jews because they had a king who fell in love with a jew girl and let them immigrate.
on this matter, i don't give a shit about politics or propaganda. on this you are simply wrong. the nazis killed jews, commies, gays, gypsies, all sorts. the vast majority of them weren't important to them.
they did so by getting people, like yourself, that were incapable of critically thinking and labeled them as an enemy. very few of the bankers or elite were marked out. mostly just regular folks. it still happens to this day in places like the Balkans and the Middle East.
the jews have always been exceptionalists. is what gets them hated when they refuse to fully intergrate into societies. but for you to try do claim that they weren't rounded up and killed like vermin is just stupid. it happens all the damn time in human history. like i told you. talk to the people. real people. don't just vomit some shit you read.
Maybe a half million Jews died during WW2 -none from gas chambers. None of the dead were used for jewish soap or lampshades. The 6 million is propaganda and a despicable lie. A fruad of monumental proportions.
Ernst Zundel is a brave soul.
Dvid Irving may perhaps be too much of a Hitler lover, though, not being a historian of his caliber, I have no way of knowing what he knows.
http://www.zundelsite.org/
WWII killed 70 millon people, dumbass. doesn't matter if it was for being a jew or an american in the death march. It gave the United States its hegeomny and that's just how it is. And you're trying to split hairs on if some jews were wroked to death or gassed. Are you trying to suggest that the Nazis weren't headed up by some serious psychopaths?
US a hegemony? It all changed last week with Putin's UN speech and Syria. The emperor is now exposed as having no clothes. Hitler a pyschopath? No More than Churchill and the US who nuked and/or firebombed millions -and Stalin? If I have to educate you on his and Mao's psychopathic history of killing dozens of millions (mostlly their own citizens) then you are really more of an embecile than you appear.
Looking back now, it is easy to see that the real victor of World War II was the Zionist Hegemon.
Masquerading as the US Hegemon. The victor writes the history.
If and when the world goes to shit and this little valley must depend on itself to survive? guys like yourself are going to be the first motherfuckers who get shot or drummed out. you have about zero value of useful to others. you express this in your posts. think i'll kill all the jews if my jewish neighbor can build a wood fired amonia cooler? good luck with your homo culture [homo meaning only like yourself.]
I think the tables will be turned and people like you will be the hunted. Hope you have an escape plan - actually I hope you don't.
hunt me? as you are savy in dallas? i'd have no problem slicing your throat like i do the ram lambs in the fattening pasture. you won't hunt me in my valley. you can try to conquer and take what WE have as a a collective of agrarian farmers. i walk the walk of country life, asshat. i have no escape plan becaue i live in a way that controls the true resoureces. good luck in dallas, though.
some city kid really just posited that he'd be able not to survive outside of dallas... that he'd 'hunt' me... how funny...
Jim Kuntsler? Is that you?
I'm not going anywhere. We are well armed and ready to defend our neighborhoods here in the City. The hungry, angry city mobs will be redirected out into your sparesly populated pastures to feast on your fat lambs. Do your sheep know how to handle firearms?
Troll Hijack , Please dont feed
hey savy? were you going to hunt me down before or after you figured out how to feed yourself?
do you even have a clue of how well armed the rural part of this nation is, for one? secondly, how many of your neighbors have you eaten dinner with? my answer is ALL of them. are you a one manned army up in that suburbian stronghold of yours? yeah well... we have square miles of long owned lands and neighborly bonds. i'm pretty sure the city dwellers will go tits up first. they always have, historically. idiots like yourself talking about raiding my neck of the woods? don't even know how to preserve food. totally the first to perish.
Stalin did a pretty good job with the Kulaks and peasant farmers who lived off the land and who resisted his collective farms- those Bolshevik City Boys (mainly non-Russian Jews) feasted on their grain, sheep and daughters - before they got bored of killing and raping them, so they simply starved them into submission. It's not people like me who will be hunting you down. Read your History. People like you will be easy pickings.
the russians allowed themselves to be disarmed, first of all. they also had a different mindset. rural and small town folks in this nation are not the same animal. if you think those of us in the heartland, those of us who produce the food.. are somehow going to let you worthless eaters in the city run things? i say good luck. 3 days without food, medicine and water....
what is well known about the american sprit is that we'd assume die over give it up. 24 hours in the big cities without EBT cards would generate complete chaos. your soldiers? are they going to shoot the country folk in order to take their food and feed the rioting niggers? of course not. will soldiers shoot all the farmers for non compliance and grow the food themselves? again, no. the end game? let the masses in the city die.
the big cities would eat themselves within two weeks or less..... there might be a few bands of mauraders cruising around for resources..... but generally speaking, the cities would die very quickly. dallas
but it's cute... that you think you will walk into the woods and mountains that people have ran for generations.. and save dallas .. place of millions of people that can't even feed themselves.or even know how..
First of all, they are not "niggers" -Do you live on a plantation out in rural Louisiana? - I lived in New orleans for 6 years. They are not called "niggers" even by my former State rep David Duke who lives in Metairie. So I guess when TSHTF some of you country folk will sit back waiting to see who wins, since the first line of defense will be in populated areas where true patriots will take a stand. I have friends who want to cut and run and go hide out in the hills to save their sorry asses rather than join the battle for America. I tell them -are you crazy? Live in fear to preserve your lives and Liberty for a few more months before they come and get you? Is that what this country has come to? Go ahead and hide -maybe we will save your sorry cowardly asses. Not me -I will stay and fight. If we lose, the mop up operations for you cowardly country boys hiding outside the battlegrounds will not take very long.
All true, the only other big lie of this proportion id NASA and the moon landings. Funny, they were both produced by the same people.
"My points were that 1) there was no proven systematic gassing and extermination"...
All and every day transport came to the concentration camp... Can you explain how german dealt with such numerous people... Without murdering them... ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jneCs7TPCIc
Tell us that this guy is a liar... His kids, dad and wife were gassed according his statement.
That part of the accepted narrative is so stupid: you do not tattoo someone who is supposed to go up in smoke in the next hour; though you might use them - the tattos - to keep tab on WORKERS being dispatched to different parts of the massive industrial complex that was Auschwitz-Birkenau and to other camps as well....
This thread is very positive; we have very dedicated and thorough scholars on our side...
there are a huge number of photos taken at the end of the war. of ovens with bones in them. combine those with people who were alive at the time? i don't believe the jews are so evil and powerful that they are just 'fooling us'.
im a jew.
believe it.
It's called propoganda, idiot. They are the fucking world evil, Satan's love, the talmud terrorist filthy rat bastard jews.
If your teacher told you that six million Jews were killed in gas chambers, then perhaps you should track down your teacher and "thank" them in a gas chamber.
Is this basic ingnorance what the State actually teaches the untermenschen, or is it a function of your failing to properly process what little facts and knowledge your teachers and professors may have tried to pass on.
Other than internet trolls (and scheisters trolling for donations among troglodytes) who seriously alleges that six million were killed in gas chambers?
It kind of depends on what you call an atrocity, they invaded neutral countries and rounded up citizens of those countries into concentration camps ... this is simple fact.
They also stole our bikes.
The Poles got off significantly worse, but I guess they deserved it for the 6 million Germans killed in Danzig.
It's simply stupdiity. Jesus was a jew. all of the people in the bible were jews... ALL OF THEM. Let us pick a group and blame them for all of the problems on earth. Is the CEO of Monsanto a jew or x-stian?
"all of the people in the bible were jews... ALL OF THEM."
Really? HAHAHA
protagonist wise? yes. from adam to jesus to the appostles to paul. they were all jews. always killing and fighting everyone else. even the christian bible has no heroes but jews.
that's why the jew hate thing is such an anathema. even your jesus was a self proclaimed jew. but jews are evil?
Yep, all of them.
So says the burqa wearing muzzie fuckhole.
Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore I tell you that the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit." (Matthew 21:43)
Jesus spent most of his time condemning the religious beliefs and practices of the Jews, and he is considered in the Talmud to be a false prophet and sorceror who is burning in hell in his own execrement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud
Regarding your strange claim that all the protagonsts of the Bible were Jews -- "Jew" refers to descendants of the tribe of Judah. Adam was the father of all humanity, so he could not have been a Jew, unless all mankind is Jewish. Same for Noah. Abraham was the father of firstborn Ishmael, who is the ancestor of the Arabs, so he was not a Jew either unless you believe Arabs are Jews. Moses was born of the tribe of Levi, so not a descendant of Judah A simple study of the Biblical prophets reveals that they spent most of their time condemning the descendants of Judah (ie "Jews") for their arrogance and sinfulness. The book of Jeremiah is a prime example. So the Jews aren't usually the heroes of the Bible, they tend to be its villains.Someone posted this a while back here, it's worth revisiting: https://adask.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/the-story-of-joseph-the-worlds-fi...
So old Joseph really got something started...
Well, actually, the Monsanto family were Jews from Louisiana - slave owners to boot! - and the husband of Lady Monsanto was a gentile and founded the company we know and hate to this day.
You should read more and stop going to Wendy's....
Still seems like Israel is running circles around everyone else. the objective of war is usually to win.
It helps to have the world's largest bull-bitch on a chian....
The CIA, and NSA, Pentagon, did the World Trade Centers #1, #2, and building #7, BuckO, not fundamentalist Islam, eh.
This refers to the Golan Heights, which Israel captured from Syria in 1967 and has occupied ever since.
So Israel just attacked Syria without provacation and took their territory.
There's oil in them thar heights.
Apples and cherries? Please.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/srael-grants-first-golan-heights-oil-drilli...
"According to Howard Jonas, chairman and CEO of Genie Energy Limited, the parent company of Genie Oil and Gas, the company’s team of experts believes that what lies under the Golan Heights could make Israel energy independent and “contribute to the diversification of the free world’s energy supply away from a crippling dependence on unfriendly sources” (see the Genie Energy annual report for 2014)."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-exploits-syrian-chaos-to-plan-lootin...
And with natural gas off the coast of Gaza in the Mediterranean, and the Ukraine with Hunter Biden and his natural gas wells there and their pipelines to Europe, and Turkey's pipelines to Europe and control of the water from the Euphrates...
Lebensraum, my ass. Chaos maybe, but it's for the oil.
They still want the land from the Nile to the Euphrates.
In all fairness, it would be an incredible strategic blunder for Israel to give up the Golan Heights, akin to Russia losing the Crimea.
Remember that the entire Palestinian refugee thingy is because NO Muslim country would accept the original Palestinians as refugees, instead demanding that they be interred in UN run camps at Israeli borders. So to keep the pot always boiling.
And both the '67 and '73 wars were surprise attacks by the UAL (United Arab League?) nations, whose founding charter defined it's only purpose as the elimination of Israel. (Islam must never give up ground, remember.)
So as fucked up as things are presently, there's no 'innocents' here, except maybe a few of the original victims, long since dead, and no innocent governmental players.
Enter the Russians...
I get the feeling that Israel is no longer the playground bully it is accustomed to be...There's a NEW plan in the works...
The veil is lifting from NASA through terrorism there will be some that defend the lies till their last breath,but just this last week they started to loose the narrative,this next year will be a hoot as all the hats get lifted to reveal the turds under them
The jews were always a people who felt they were exceptional and better than everyone else. The early Christians even had to wrestle with the jewish laws of being able to even eat dinner with someone not of their own. They were persecuted in Europe for the same types of mentality/behavior. Some groups actually do want to be separate but equal.
The jews and arabs are quickly becoming irrevlevent. Watch the Kurds. In the end, that his who the Russians and Chinese are going to back. Much to the shigrin of the Turks and Even the Persians.
That's a bold statement. Russia and China are in bed with the Shias, who don't like the Kurds any better than the Sunnis, so you think those two will dump the Shias in favor of the Kurds? What do the Kurds have to offer?
The new Silk Road is an important dream both to China and Russia. Both would like an independent player in Western Asia that wasn't, American, muzzie or jew. Why would you think they wouldn't back their new boy on the block that would be loyal to them? Would be easy peasy to do in a conflict zone. At this point, the Kurds are not going back to being part of Syria or Iraq without being invaded. The Turks are simply terrified that they will loose half their country to them. Hence the bombing today.
Shia and Kurds get along fine, to the chagrin of Zato. There was the MEK, but it was a Zino tool. After Shia started running Iraq, it was destroyed. The current fight against their common enemy, bolsters the relationship.
My guess is that Iran, Iraq and Syria will give it up to a new Kurdistan nation if they can stick it to the Turks, Arabs, Jews and Americans. That is also going to be the price the Russ demand for their help. Don't forget, most of the "stan" countries were once part of the Soviet Union. They all have Aryan roots from way long ago. That's why when you watch the RT special on teenage kurd girls boot camp, they are often very anglo looking. blondish hair and such.
A new Kurdistan coming out of the ashes will be a new parigdim. Not anyone else's religion. The muzzies can't fathom the idea of being shot by a woman 'cause they will go to hell. A bit of oil wealth and some decent aggricultural land. A new power the west can deal with. Turkey, Israel and the Arabs hobbled. Iraq and Iran pretty much unified and pumping more oil than anywhere else in the world. It's a nightmare sceneario for the West.
Mossad and the Barzani Kurds are joined at the hips since the 60s
ISRAEL is using the Kurds as geopolitical balkanisation tools
there are 35 million kurds in that swath of land. 8 million jews, 75 million in turkey, 35 million in Iraq. 22 million in Syria and 75 million in Iran. who is using whom? That's less than 200 million people in four nations with 35 million of them an undeclared nation split across all four borders. It's perfect. They have been the best fighters of anyone in the area. Have some bad ass women on the front lines. fairly moderate. If you were playing a game of thrones, you'd be silly not to use them.
Listen Game of Thrones fan,
There are basically two branches of Kurds:
1. Pro Syria-Iran
2. Pro Israel-USA
The Kurds in northern Iraq are the pawns of Israel, the ISRAEL firsters and Neocons.
The barzani Kurds, are some of the tools by which ISRAEL uses to send the middle east into mini states, warlord states, micro states, failed states. The Kurds in northern Iraq have allowed ISRAEL to operate a war room, aimed at serving ISRAEL as it dreamed of attacking Iran, as well as assisting USA in it's phony war, meant to strengthen Isis and alqaeda, NOT, degrade it.
As the Iranian minister of middle eastern affairs said, the barzani Kurds better quit their pipedreams.
Most Kurds are Muslim.
As a whole, the Kurdish people are adherents to a large number of different religions and creeds, perhaps constituting the most religiously diverse people of West Asia. Traditionally, Kurds have been known to take great liberties with their practices.
Like I said, they are the most moderate folks in the area. There are 35 million of them. They are the best fighters in the area. And most importanly, they are not going to lay down their weapons and return to portions of Syria and Iraq. These are the same folks that Saddam had to gas because he could not get them under control. Kurdistan is already now in existence. Turkey hates this notion more than anyone. But, you can be damn sure that they are not going to go back to being under either Syrian nor Iraqi rule.
Viva Kurdistan, no argument from me on that. But, the Kurds have also been a fractious lot, always fighting each other.
Until perhaps these past couple of years. I am very sympathetic to the Kurds not going back to being a persecuted minority in any other country.
Don't forget the Kurds own a large part of Turkey as well.
Kazakhstan is the new paradigm, and part of the New Silk Road.
yes, New. All of the 'stans' have incredible undeveloped resources and are the key to the sino-russo alliance. I don't think many of us could name all of the 'stans'
This is quite the article. The whole "9-11" and Iraq was tied to Wurmser's piece as well as PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY and a piece for JINSA.
THE TRUTH IS ANTI-SEMITIC!
And the REAL Overlords of the USSA get everything, all the time, it was like when the bailouts to the Banksters on the Upper Eastside of Manhattan, real estate SKYROCKETED in Tel Aviv.
This is from 2003, the gentleman who wrote it then died at the age of 40 from a "heart attack" perhaps.
The cost of Israel to the American taxpayer at that time was $3 TRILLION!
How come the head of the Federal Reserve is always Jewish?
Stanley Fischer: A Dual U.S./Israeli Citizen and Pro-Israel Activist as Vice-Chair of the Fed January 5, 2014
Obongo is a puppet, here are the puppet masters:
Christopher Bollyn, 06 November 2008
"I've never seen a President — I don't care who he is — stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they would RISE UP IN ARMS. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
Thomas H. Moorer (1912 - 2004) Admiral, US Navy & Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff during interview on 24 August 1983
Who has been spying on us, US, and GETTING AWAY WITH IT? What group had the POWER to have the Fox series exposing it REMOVED?
Dec 12, 2001 ... Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron
Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? Part 1
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? Part 2
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7544.htm
Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? - Part 3
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm
Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? - Part 4
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm
Who could attack in NEUTRAL WATERS, a United States Navy ship killing 34 sailors and wounding 134 more, and MACHINE-GUNNING the life rafts and GET AWAY WITH IT?
Yep, our "ally" Israel:
http://www.ussliberty.org/index2.html
BOYCOTT ISRAEL PRODUCTS
https://boycottisraeltoday.wordpress.com/boycott-israel/
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Binyamin Netanyahu, Iran, and the cartoon bomb
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/star-spangled-staggers/2012/09/binyami...
http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/152849295.jpg
Does any rational person think that Israel would ever give up the Golan Hgts.
Look at a topographical map. Syria cut and ran in 73 and that's that. Lose the war and the enemy occupies the territory.
That's the way it works whether anyone likes it or not. Every modern country had to fight to determine it's borders and Israel is no different.
But... but...they're meanies. Ya, I know. So what?
Anyone in the US going to give their house to an Indian?
I didn't think so.
Does any rational person think what has happened before 109 times won't happen again?
When will people get it, neocon Jews run 100% of US Policy, foreign and domestic.
And they are guided and driven by only one consideration:
"Is it good for ISRAEL?"
Everyone gets that Jews control the dictatorship in the Western World. We all get that Israel controls America, Congress, all who occupy the political sphere. What they don't get is that the jig is up, and the money pump is busted via millions upon millions of unemployed pissed off going nowhere fast serfs that have not had any money in years. The boiling point of unemployment has reached critical mass this fall. The promise of jobs is not good enough anymore. Politicians cannot sing the praises of jobs, jobs, jobs, on the electoral circuit anymore because there are no jobs forthcoming when all of Corporatism is laying off staff and cutting back on missed projections. Policy wonks that have opened their eyes know that Israel is viewed as a parasite to Americans that are footing the bill. Why Israel gets so much taxpayer money out of working American pockets is not exactly explained to the taxpayers. If they explained why they fund Israel the funding would dry up.
Bottom line is that Israel anchors USA style democracy in that region. Middle East oil is the desired target of these interests.
My King James Bible exhorts me to pray for peace in Israel all the days of my life.
Hope your in good with King James, cause your prayers ain't working.
"Everyone gets that Jews control the dictatorship in the Western World. We all get that Israel controls America, Congress, all who occupy the political sphere."
Actualy I'd say about 5% of the population gets that. Now when it comes to the Kardashians...that's where deep and widespread knowledge kicks in.
Israel has too many nuclear weapons. They should sign on to one of these wonderful disarmament treaties everyone else is forced to sign at the point of an atomic gun.
Never a dull moment is Isreal's neighborhood.....
the enemy of my enemy is my enemy?
I've been reading ZH for a few months now, and I want to say that this article is one of the best written articles to date on this site. Good job, and thanks for your journalistic integrity!
Thanks for your instasnort!!! inducing handle! :-)
I'd even go for Chumpsky!
Lol. "Instasnort!" Gnome Chompsky is a bobblehead item that you can collect in Left For Dead 2 for an achievement. Of course, Noam Chomsky is one of my favorite writers, so the two kinda go hand-in-hand.
Bullshit -Mossad and American neocons, with financial support from Saudis -and a few saudi patsies -did 911. Own up to that reality and then do your bullshit analysis.
I believe 911 was aided by Rumsfeld and his crew. But that hardly changes the fact that this article is one of the best written articles ZH has put out recently.
Moar 9/11 misspeak make article heap big steaming pile of dung.
Otherwise, good effort.
Another way to create chaos from which to benefit is by destroying economies. If you go down that road you end up with the incompetence vs. intentional argument. If it's incompetence they have definitely missed some rudimentary patterns. It's pretty hard to believe that people involved in top economic advisory positions etc cannot recognize the effects of loose monetary policy, high deficit spending and no job creation.
It's like this last housing bust, I am pretty sure that if I could see it coming the FED and everyone else sure as hell could. It's clockwork predictable. It's happening again too, Californians and Arizonans are running around all giddy about their exploding equity and prices aren't going to go back down, it's too desirable of an area..... yadda yadda BOOM! It's going to be a bloodbath. Who could have possibly of seen this coming? If they are incompetent they sure still know how to lure them in.
Been here for less than a month and my early impression was surprise at the quantity of Jew-bashing. Pretty much all of it infantile. It all stood out to the point that it seemed disconnected from the honesty and intelligence of most everyone else here. My conclusion now is that most of these comments are indeed "plants" from persons with a reason to damage this sites credibility. Not being previously educated about finance and Wall St., my primary motivation here is really good puns. Success on that one.
A really good place to start your primary re-education would be a reading of 'The International Jew' by Henry Ford. It's available at Amazon.
Then you might Peruse 'The Secrets of the Federal Resenve' by Eustice Mullins (1949) or so.
When you're ready for 2nd grade, let us know.
And I'm a gold miner, not a troll.
You are here for education on Finance and Wall Street.
Fair enough.
You need to get a book titled "War on Gold" by Antiony Sutton and read it. It will give you a basic education about the Financial World of 1978 and, how it is today, Orders of Magnitude worse than when he described it in that book. I wish that it was available for download, online, but it is not.
Antony C. Sutton was a UCLA Professor of History and he was a Visiting Scholar to the Hoover Research Institue at Stanford University. He was very serious, highly unheard of, but was no crackpot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton
Afterwards take a look at the Bibliography in the link which I have provided.
The next book that I suggest that you read, after you have read "War on Gold", is "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler".
It is all DOCUMENTED and is not some "opinion". He was an outstanding SCHOLAR. You are not invited tothe Hoover Research Institue at Stanford unless you are an outstanding scholar.You are not invited to Stanford University, even as a student, unless you are outstanding.
Oh..And here is another one to read.
The greatest UNSUNG American Hero is Smedley Darlington Butler. (I know...You never heard about him. What does UNSUNG mean?)
Well Maj. General Smedley Butler SINGLE HANDEDLY stopped a Coup d'etat of the United States Government back in 1933. (It will shock you when you find out who was plotting the overthrow.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Anyway he wrote a book titled, "War is a Racket" Well it is more like a booklet and is a short one hour read.
Here it is...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&...
Are you really sure that you want the truth?
Once you take the proverbial Red Pill there is no turning back.
I have probably overloaded you.
And you know that Wikipedia is the main source of Conspiracy Theories and all of that. (I generally do not use a "satire tag" but you are rather new here so I will do it for you.)
Get ready for a ride down that proverbial Rabbit Hole. You will find out how distorted your World view actually is.
I will guarantee that it will not be a comfortable ride. Actually it will be quite painful. Are you sure that you'd like to do this?
De plan, de plan boss! Yes, of course it is. It is worthless chaos on the carpet.
The continued exposure of crime and corruption sees the light shined upon it. Here is sum moar.:
http://conservativetribune.com/benghazi-docs-implicate-obama/?utm_source...
False Flag Event in 3...2...1...
And just what are those crazy istrealli ziopuppets up to now? Oh yeah, same old murdering, deceptions and moar crazy rottenchild ordered antics to start a third world woar. It's all part of the Plan.
Most Worthy Listening to become moar Aware.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3hltLgbl8E