The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia

Tyler Durden's picture

One week ago, when summarizing the current state of play in Syria, we said that for Obama, "this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam." Yesterday, in tacit confirmation of this assessment, the Obama administration threw in the towel on one of the most contentious programs it has implemented in "fighting ISIS", when the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force.

But this, so far, partial admission of failure only takes care of one part of Obama's problem: there is the question of the "other" rebels supported by the US, those who are not part of the officially-disclosed public program with the fake goal of fighting ISIS; we are talking, of course, about the nearly 10,000 CIA-supported "other rebels", or technically mercenaries, whose only task is to take down Assad.

The same "rebels" whose fate the AP profiles today when it writes that the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. Over that time, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear.

The effort was separate from the one run by the military, which trained militants willing to promise to take on IS exclusively. That program was widely considered a failure, and on Friday, the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force, instead opting to equip established groups to fight IS.

It is this effort, too, that in the span of just one month Vladimir Putin has managed to render utterly useless, as it is officially "off the books" and thus the US can't formally support these thousands of "rebel-fighters" whose only real task was to repeat the "success" of Ukraine and overthrow Syria's legitimate president: something which runs counter to the US image of a dignified democracy not still resorting to 1960s tactics of government overthrow. That, and coupled with Russia and Iran set to take strategic control of Syria in the coming months, the US simply has no toehold any more in the critical mid-eastern nation.

And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close, leaving the "rebels" that the CIA had supported for years, to fend for themselves.

From AP:

CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.


Over the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.


The Russians "know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation," said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and was careful not to confirm a classified program. "They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State" group.

With the US now in damage control mode, the finger pointing begins.

First, it is only natural that finger will point at Putin - after all he is an easy target:

U.S. intelligence officials see many factors motivating Russia's intervention: Moscow's reasserting its primacy as a great power, propping up Assad and wanting to deal a blow to the United States, which has insisted that Assad must go to end Syria's civil war.


Russia is also interested in containing IS, an organization that includes thousands of Chechen fighters who may pose a threat to Russia, officials say.


But in the short term, "my conclusion is that the timing of their intervention was driven by Assad really going critical," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., also a House Intelligence Committee member.

Alas, blaming Putin only underscores his latest victory over the US state department, leaving the US diplomatic corps no choice but to blame its own. This is imminent, and many heads will - or should - roll.

The administration is scrambling to come up with a response to Russia's moves, but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies. The administration has all but ruled out providing CIA-backed groups with surface-to-air missiles that can down aircraft, fearing such weapons would end up in the wrong hands, officials say.


Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians. He said the U.S. also should provide arms to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed separatists.


A no-fly zone would require the U.S. military to be ready to engage in air battles with the Syrian government, something it is not prepared to do.

Why? Because it is not the Syrian government that is flying those sorties above Syria, it is Putin, and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe.

Which means Obama now has just one option: admitting that his latest gamble to overthrow Assad, one which started in 2013 with the fake YouTube clips of "chemical attacks", and the resultant naval escalation, coupled with the CIA's training of thousands of local rebels mercenaries, and which escalated with the "appearance" of ISIS in the summer of 2014, is about to end with Obama admitting yet another major political defeat.

The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Because somehow handing over control of the Middle East to the Russian-controlled axis - incidentally the topic of another article yesterday in the WSJ "America's Fading Footprint in the Middle East" - is now spun as a defeat for Putin.

"Our options are much narrower than they were two weeks ago," said Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees. "I don't think there is any simple answer. ... Further air involvement has become very problematic because of the Russian engagement."

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And so Putin has once again "won", or as the administration would prefer to spin it, "has hung himself."

Incidentally, this is just the beginning. Now that the U.S. has begun its pivot out of the middle-east, handing it over to Putin as Russia's latest sphere of influence on a silver platter, there will be staggering consequences for middle-east geopolitics. In out preview of things to come last week, we concluded by laying these out; we will do the same again:

The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.


Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.


As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday:  "If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night."

Which is not to say that the latest US failure to overthrow a mid-east government was a total failure. As Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma says "probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates."

Which is at least great news for the military-industrial complex. It means more "terrorist attacks" on U.S. "friends and allies", and perhaps even on U.S. soil - all courtesy of the US government supplying the weapons - are imminent.

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Looney's picture

Here’s another dimension to the “Silver Platter”.

Remember the 26 Kalibr missiles launched a few days ago into Syria from the Caspian Sea?

Well, our aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) has just been pulled out of the Persian Gulf. For the first time since 2007!

Here’s another set of seemingly unconnected events – the loudly trumpeted TPP (the Trans-Pacific Partnership) and the upcoming “visit” of the Spratly Islands by our Carrier Battle Group.

Now back to the Russian Kalibr missiles. Today, those pesky Rooskies test-launched a bunch of Kalibr’s from a submerged submarine and hit all moving naval targets a few hundred miles away.

So… We want to dingle our “exceptional” genitals somewhere close to China to make sure China’s neighbors sign-up for the TPP, but the question is: Is it worth risking the lives of 5-6 thousand US sailors and, possibly, starting a nuclear war?


BlueViolet's picture

It's not a fiasco. It's a success. AlQaeda/ISIS created by Israhell and financed by US. That's why US has already lost the Middle East to Putin >>

Fish Gone Bad's picture

Putin is not done by a long way.

Latina Lover's picture

"The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin."

Translated: Putin is winning, thus we must declare VICTORY and leave.

847328_3527's picture

"Change you can believe in!"


Barry is too busy destroying America's middle class with Obamacare Taxes and less access to doctors, FATCA, TPP, and on and on ....

Latina Lover's picture

Barry is also  jealous that Putin gets to bomb Syria, and not the USSA.

McCormick No. 9's picture

Maybe all of this is part of the game plan re: Pike's letter to Mazzini:

1. Destabilize the ME by knocking off secular stronmen in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

2. After reaching "max chaos", allow someone else (Russia) to go in and restore order.

3. Increase Israel's isolation and sense of being cornered in a blind alley, in the hopes that the original terrorist nation will do something stupid and rash, iike nuke one or more of its neighbors and then take over the Temple Mount.

4. When a regional nuclear confict is unleashed, allow the situation to escalate to MaxChaos 2.0, and then, when all the Warring parties (Russia included) have exhausted themselves and the global economy is in utter ruin, step in with the Luciferian One World Govt/Economy/Religion.

wee-weed up's picture

Everything Obozo touches turns to shit.

TongueStun's picture

I'm surprised our spooks haven't crop dusted Vlad with some polonium yet.....

Stackers's picture

Never forget the first chapter of this story happened in 2011 Benghazi Libya when the Turkey brokered arms deal went bad, Obama admin abandoned them and one CIA op posing as an ambasador and his security detail were killed.

This thing has been a shit show from day one and involves scandal after scandal

jefferson32's picture

Note to Tyler Durden, it is only the Israeli press that refers to the Israeli capital as Jerusalem.

Joe Trader's picture

Missiles are one thing - but so is the TR3-B. Wait until that baby gets pulled out of the hangar.

Save_America1st's picture

I'm positive now that I saw one of those TR3-B's (or similar craft) flying at night once here in was about 11 years ago.  I had no fucking idea what it was back then and thought I was seeing an alien UFO for sure.  It was a black triangle craft.

Until about 2 years ago I had no idea what the TR3-B was.  Then when I first saw a couple videos of one and some drawings, etc. I knew instantly that was what I had seen a decade before...or at least it had to have been some earlier version of it. 

The thing that blew me away when I was watching it was the insane speed of it.  It must have a top speed of several thousand miles per hour, if not even faster.  I watched it accelerate from far away...maybe 2 or 3 miles from me and all it looked like at the time was a large stationary bright ball of light.  I thought it was just a hovering helicopter way out there with a search light on. 

But then this fucking thing went from zero to what seemed like instantaneous light speed towards me but off to the side of the highway by about a half mile or so.  It accelerated so fast it seemed like it teleported from one spot to the other in a split second.  When it stopped it was an even larger bright ball of light because it was much closer to me.  But then the white light dimmed way down and the craft started to come down in a long slow smooth landing pattern right past me about a half mile out or so.

That was when I could see that it was a black triangle craft.  The large bright white light that was now very dim was in the center-bottom of the triangle.  Each of the three corners of the craft on the bottom side which was what I was able to view had a dim red glowing light.  The lights along with the slighty lighter colored night sky totally showed the triangle sillouette of the craft.

I watched it slowly decend past me but about a half mile straight out over farm fields until it descended behind some low hills and trees and was gone.

But if that thing was at least 2 or 3 miles away from me before it pulled that light speed sling-shot maneuver then it had to have accelerated to many thousands of miles per hour and then come to a nearly complete stop in the blink of an eye. 

And that ain't no fucking joke either.  I've read it's some kind of anti-gravity craft.  Whatever it is it's the fastest thing there is by far.


weburke's picture

the us is running from the iran israel war about to start. and a good idea. it will be a mess. 

Cornfedbloodstool's picture

I'm too busy watching the Trayvons man-handle each other on the Jew-vision to care about any of this. My mind has been colonized.

conscious being's picture

Colonized consciousness, the disease that infects America.

Tom Servo's picture

how quickly you forget, after President Fail (o) was elected, he was spotted carrying a book "The Post American World".  He promised fundamental transformation....


Cornfedbloodstool's picture

I am having the worst Deja-vue right now.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

Those carriers will make good artificial reefs at least...

Seriously, those things need to be parked in a fucking harbor until high power laser systems are mounted all over them, because that's the only thing that has a chance of taking down multiple missiles at seal level coming in at mach 3.

clymer's picture

Oh you just know Zbigniew is screwing himself into the ceiling over this shit.

COSMOS's picture

There's something seriously wrong in the war against ISIS, because look at these statistics from the DOD website where it lists the following information:

As of 4:59 p.m. EDT Oct. 6, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 7,323 strikes (4,701 Iraq / 2,622 Syria).

U.S. has conducted 5,718 trikes in Iraq and Syria (3,231 Iraq / 2,487 Syria)
Rest of Coalition has conducted 1,605 strikes in Iraq and Syria (1,470 Iraq /135 Syria)

The countries that have participated in the strikes include:

In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Canada, (3) Denmark, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, and (7) UK
In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) Saudi Arabia, (7) Turkey and (8) UAE

As of Oct. 6, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 57,843 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria.
Cost of Operations

As of Sep. 15, 2015, the total cost of operations related to ISIL since kinetic operations started on Aug. 8, 2014, is $4 billion and the average daily cost is $10 million for 404 days of operations.

And this does not include Syrian operations or the Russian operation, just doesn't make sense that they still have massive capabilities...

COSMOS's picture

On what legal authority do we send armed jihadists mercenaries to overthrow the govt of Syria ? Like a burglar in your living room. And they shouldn't be bombed ?
Funny. We have been supporting a dozen groups of "moderate" terrorists (like bin Laden who we supported for 10 years) for 4 years or so, conducted over 7000 bombing strikes and, Washington is whining about Russian failure and a big mistake.
After two weeks Russia is now responsible for destabilizing Syria and creating all the refugees !!!.

We have Washington's regime. The worst and most oppressive regime on face of Earth, ever known to mankind. This regime every single day via their corporate lying and deceiving presstitute media keeps indoctrinating and brain washing us, by spreading fantasy tales and BS propaganda in order to shape proper public opinion so that the regime can achieve their criminal and bloody goals. There are numerous paid Washington's shills in this and other forums that under different aliases keep pounding in our heads BS propaganda. People, do not be gullible. Use your own brain powers.

I'll be happy when all the rebels are dead and gone, and the U.S. no longer has to lie. Our leaders can then just say, "We stole all the money", instead of fabricating all these idiotic schemes and excuses. The U.S. HAS no strategic interest in Syria, and NONE in Iraq. NADA. This is all a money-sucking proxy farce, except that NOW, it is the U.S. that is being used as a proxy force by Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The only question is, why do we let ourselves be used? What can we possibly gain? Again, NADA. Remember Cheney's famous boast that the Iraq war was going to pay for itself with oil revenues? Well, the truth was that not a dime of it was paid by Iraqi oil revenues. Not a single oil concession went to an American oil company. The war cost us trillions of dollars. We spent hundreds of billions "training" and equipping an Iraqi army that can't and won't fight, and does nothing but leave billions of heavy weapons behind for ISIS. The U.S. has been played for 12 years in Iraq. It's time to stop being stupid, and leave this gold-plated rat-hole behind for good.

Nenad's picture

Obama will not finish his second term!  Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!

COSMOS's picture

"Germany's warm welcome for migrants wearing thin."
October 8, 2015,

BERLIN -- Like so many Syrian refugees, Mohammed Bazav set his sights on Germany.

CBS News first met the 21-year-old architecture student five weeks ago when he crossed into Hungary, dodging police checkpoints.

Mohammed Bazav first spoke to CBS News while dodging police checkpoints in Hungary on his way to Germany. CBS NEWS
He made it to Berlin, where he said he passed his first interview with German immigration authorities. He was given the equivalent of $800 and told to come back in January for another interview. He's not allowed to work in the meantime.
Right now, there is little to stop Islamic extremists from slipping in among the migrants. The police take fingerprints and check them against international databases like Interpol.

"So many people here without ID, without anything," says Mohammed.

The German government has argued that the migrants will provide a much needed work force to offset the needs of an aging population, but not all Germans are buying it.

Germany struggles to absorb Syrian refugees
"That's what they're selling us these people for, that they will pay our pensions in the future," an upset German named Gregor said. "We have 5 million unemployed Germans! They can't even put their own people don't into jobs." With more migrants arriving daily, Germany's generosity is being stretched to the limits.

COSMOS's picture

The out of control swarming illegal immigrants burn, pillage, rape, and take control of European and American communities and cities. Why do we let them do this?

Here's the deal - they know they're at war with us. And we do not. They treat these overthrows as a wartime tactic. We treat it is as an immigration issue for poor people who don't have homes, food or money.

We use police tactics and volunteers to help the border crossers. They fight a war .... and we don't even see it. We're in trouble.

Have others noticed that over 85% of these so called "refugees" are young males?

When hundreds of thousands of young males move en mass from other nations other continents in to existing countries, that's not a 'refugee problem" that's an


This is simply a mass Muslim invasion of Western Europe.

Saudi Arabia the country where this death cult started is financially sponsoring this Muslim invasion of conquest of Europe. Saudi Arabia is not taking any Muslim "refugees" from Syria or Pakistan or any existing Islamic country, instead Saudi Arabia has agreed to pay for hundreds/thousands of new mosques in Europe.

So generous of these Muslim $ billionaires.

And what is Saudi Arabia doing to help the young Christian and Kurdish girls being auctioned off as sex Slaves to ISIS?


The West should have broken off all relations with Saudi Arabia after 9-11-01. What were we thinking?

since very first day this tragedy was started I never see any positive comment about this Crisis, that can destroy Europe and change their generation in future. because these invaders grow like mushroom or cancer cell, before you notice it , it's THE END. European people are in a very critic situation, they have to get united and force their lame and #$%$ Government to kick out these invaders, this is Trojan horse Muslims plan to take over the Europe, if you seat in a corner and do nothing, you'll lose your country-next generation-and whatever you have

chubbar's picture

Didn't ever dawn on you that you may have been watching an actual alien craft? 

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

I knew it was only a matter of time before people started talking about the "anti-gravity" BS the pentagram has supposedly stolen from the ETs. Area 51, save us, your our only hope!

Whatever you saw was more likely a real alien craft, than a pentagram super-weapon.

Gold Eyed Cat's picture

I dunno.  I grew up at the end of the BAFB flight line, and as a kid I saw the stealth bombers flying around nearly 5 years before the government admitted they had built one new bomber.  The only reason they admitted anything was because one crashed.  We read the news story and laughed because we knew perfectly well they had more than one and it wasn't all that "new".

The only thing for certain is, if the news comes from the government it's going to be a lie.  Apparently, we can't handle the truth.

farflungstar's picture

I've noticed that for awhile now, after Barry said "Jerusalem is Israel's eternal, undivided capital", news in general stopped saying Tel Aviv and substituted Jerusalem. 

What's up wit dat?

Paveway IV's picture

There is no such thing as 10,000 CIA 'rebels' - that's only their on-line name.

There is a 10,000-man CIA assassination team or better still - mafia hit squad - in Syria. They're not rebels, they're not terrorists, they're not even mercs. They are paid criminal assassins, nothing more. My country hired them, so my country is guilty of racketeering and assassination. There are no degrees of separation here - the U.S. is directly responsible. Since the acts were perpetrated by people who are also violating the Constitution of the U.S., they are criminals and traitors.

We should do something about them... right after this season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. 

cheech_wizard's picture

Saw that earlier...single source at the time... 

No notice the article is authored by different people from each paper.

Started Here:
Then went here:

By Scott Campbell PUBLISHED: 14:36, Sat, Oct 10, 2015 | UPDATED: 16:43, Sat, Oct 10, 2015 Basically more Western agitprop... Standard Disclaimer:
WTFRLY's picture

White House still ignores murder of American reporter Serena Shim who filmed western aid to ISIS February 27, 2015

1 year almost since her death. Today would have been her 30th birthday.

Manthong's picture

Let’s see.. Glencore…  Douche Bank…   swaps..  major fail in Syria Control strategy… somebody in a little circle is going to need a diversion pretty quick..

I don’t have a crystal ball or anything.. but this sure would be an interesting time for some wholly unforseen tragedy of incredibly newsworthy purportions to occur.   

Nenad's picture
Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!
jeff montanye's picture

speaking of other things of dubious veracity, this line from the post above is, imo, so completely wrong i think "stop" was used when "start" was meant.

"and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe."

janus's picture

i caught that, too.  in fact, i was surprised that i made it this far through the comments without seeing another Hedger take note.  but, Jeffrey, careful and scrupulous readers are few and far-between these days.  

btw, i think you've misspelled "Montaigne". {don't get huffy, jeffery...that's a fairly sophisticated joke.  i hope you appreciate it.}

p.s. Indelicate Genius changes his avatar too frequently.  i'm still biased to the cat in the tux.



The Black Bishop's picture

"Is it worth risking the lives of 5-6 thousand US sailors and, possibly, starting a nuclear war?"


All I need to say is: Pearl Fucking Harbor in motion.

inosent's picture

Cool username ... the black bishop. I think I'm gonna steal ur idea and use 'the white king' next time I create an acct somewhere ....


geno-econ's picture

October Stockmarket Crash reflecting reality would be a good start

spyware-free's picture

from the article;
"A RUSSIAN jet has been shot down by Turkish forces after it flew into the country's airspace, according to as yet unconfirmed reports circulating on social media."

That last line pretty much says all you need to know about the credibility of this story. Also, you think CNN and the other western mouthpieces wouldn't jump at the chance to throw dirt in Putin's eye?

bigkahuna's picture

We'll see. If errant cruise missiles start flying into Turkey - then we'll know.

SWRichmond's picture

You and I (and perhaps others) wonder how 10,000 "moderate rebels" were vetted before being trained and equipped.  I am guessing an interview with some commander-wannabee, who said "yes I am a moderate" and then CIA said "awesome, here's $500,000,000.00 and a boatload of sophisticated weapons.  Go hire and train some more moderates."  Or maybe CIA just asked McCain and took his word for it.

  ...but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies

Some secret... 

This kind of shit is what you get when the deep state breathes its own fumes.

Lore's picture

Exactly. American hands are drenched in blood. It's not enough just to withdraw from Syria and leave a bunch of mercs and "assets" to burn, and it's not enough to go after the individuals behind specific atrocities like 911, the bombing of the hospital, or the weddings, or Abu Ghraib, or Benghazi, or, or...  Nothing will be fixed or resolved until those responsible for drafting, approving and implementing the pathological policy behind all the loss of life over the past decade are prosecuted and brought to justice. Unless and until that happens, America has abandoned its moral foundation and is doomed as a nation. It's just a practical observation.

techpreist's picture

One step further, all federal funding to the academics that are actively thinking up the philosophies that generate such people, must be cut off. Although, ideally, I would like to see them brought to justice as well.

fleur de lis's picture

Agree except that bringing them to justice will only waste more tax money since their friends also control the Justice Department. Even an airtight case will get tossed after a phonecall.

CuttingEdge's picture

People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future.

Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over.

- Paul Craig Roberts



geno-econ's picture

Neocons went a step too far with their marauder agenda in Ukraine and Syria.  Now they have been silenced by Putin with a show of force exposing US weakness. Both Bush and Obama showed weakness in not controllling  Neocon influence in Wash. and is now reflectrd in political party turmoil.  EU should rejoice because US policy in Syria caused refugee problem which will subside with end of civil war in Syria.  Kiev government now also realizes US will not support real  confrontation with Russia and Russia will not give up Crimea. Neocon experiment in achieving growth through regime change has been a total failure and huge drain on US economy.