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The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia

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One week ago, when summarizing the current state of play in Syria, we said that for Obama, "this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam." Yesterday, in tacit confirmation of this assessment, the Obama administration threw in the towel on one of the most contentious programs it has implemented in "fighting ISIS", when the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force.

But this, so far, partial admission of failure only takes care of one part of Obama's problem: there is the question of the "other" rebels supported by the US, those who are not part of the officially-disclosed public program with the fake goal of fighting ISIS; we are talking, of course, about the nearly 10,000 CIA-supported "other rebels", or technically mercenaries, whose only task is to take down Assad.

The same "rebels" whose fate the AP profiles today when it writes that the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. Over that time, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear.

The effort was separate from the one run by the military, which trained militants willing to promise to take on IS exclusively. That program was widely considered a failure, and on Friday, the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force, instead opting to equip established groups to fight IS.

It is this effort, too, that in the span of just one month Vladimir Putin has managed to render utterly useless, as it is officially "off the books" and thus the US can't formally support these thousands of "rebel-fighters" whose only real task was to repeat the "success" of Ukraine and overthrow Syria's legitimate president: something which runs counter to the US image of a dignified democracy not still resorting to 1960s tactics of government overthrow. That, and coupled with Russia and Iran set to take strategic control of Syria in the coming months, the US simply has no toehold any more in the critical mid-eastern nation.

And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close, leaving the "rebels" that the CIA had supported for years, to fend for themselves.

From AP:

CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.

 

Over the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.

 

The Russians "know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation," said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and was careful not to confirm a classified program. "They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State" group.

With the US now in damage control mode, the finger pointing begins.

First, it is only natural that finger will point at Putin - after all he is an easy target:

U.S. intelligence officials see many factors motivating Russia's intervention: Moscow's reasserting its primacy as a great power, propping up Assad and wanting to deal a blow to the United States, which has insisted that Assad must go to end Syria's civil war.

 

Russia is also interested in containing IS, an organization that includes thousands of Chechen fighters who may pose a threat to Russia, officials say.

 

But in the short term, "my conclusion is that the timing of their intervention was driven by Assad really going critical," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., also a House Intelligence Committee member.

Alas, blaming Putin only underscores his latest victory over the US state department, leaving the US diplomatic corps no choice but to blame its own. This is imminent, and many heads will - or should - roll.

The administration is scrambling to come up with a response to Russia's moves, but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies. The administration has all but ruled out providing CIA-backed groups with surface-to-air missiles that can down aircraft, fearing such weapons would end up in the wrong hands, officials say.

 

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, says the U.S. should consider establishing a no-fly zone that allows rebels a safe place from which to operate, and shooting down Syrian helicopters that are bombing civilians. He said the U.S. also should provide arms to the Ukrainian government fighting Russian-backed separatists.

 

A no-fly zone would require the U.S. military to be ready to engage in air battles with the Syrian government, something it is not prepared to do.

Why? Because it is not the Syrian government that is flying those sorties above Syria, it is Putin, and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe.

Which means Obama now has just one option: admitting that his latest gamble to overthrow Assad, one which started in 2013 with the fake YouTube clips of "chemical attacks", and the resultant naval escalation, coupled with the CIA's training of thousands of local rebels mercenaries, and which escalated with the "appearance" of ISIS in the summer of 2014, is about to end with Obama admitting yet another major political defeat.

The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Because somehow handing over control of the Middle East to the Russian-controlled axis - incidentally the topic of another article yesterday in the WSJ "America's Fading Footprint in the Middle East" - is now spun as a defeat for Putin.

"Our options are much narrower than they were two weeks ago," said Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees. "I don't think there is any simple answer. ... Further air involvement has become very problematic because of the Russian engagement."

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And so Putin has once again "won", or as the administration would prefer to spin it, "has hung himself."

Incidentally, this is just the beginning. Now that the U.S. has begun its pivot out of the middle-east, handing it over to Putin as Russia's latest sphere of influence on a silver platter, there will be staggering consequences for middle-east geopolitics. In out preview of things to come last week, we concluded by laying these out; we will do the same again:

The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.

 

Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.

 

As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday:  "If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night."

Which is not to say that the latest US failure to overthrow a mid-east government was a total failure. As Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma says "probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates."

Which is at least great news for the military-industrial complex. It means more "terrorist attacks" on U.S. "friends and allies", and perhaps even on U.S. soil - all courtesy of the US government supplying the weapons - are imminent.

 

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Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:14 | 6652757 Looney
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Here’s another dimension to the “Silver Platter”.

Remember the 26 Kalibr missiles launched a few days ago into Syria from the Caspian Sea?

Well, our aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) has just been pulled out of the Persian Gulf. For the first time since 2007!

Here’s another set of seemingly unconnected events – the loudly trumpeted TPP (the Trans-Pacific Partnership) and the upcoming “visit” of the Spratly Islands by our Carrier Battle Group.

Now back to the Russian Kalibr missiles. Today, those pesky Rooskies test-launched a bunch of Kalibr’s from a submerged submarine and hit all moving naval targets a few hundred miles away.

So… We want to dingle our “exceptional” genitals somewhere close to China to make sure China’s neighbors sign-up for the TPP, but the question is: Is it worth risking the lives of 5-6 thousand US sailors and, possibly, starting a nuclear war?

Looney

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:17 | 6652777 BlueViolet
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It's not a fiasco. It's a success. AlQaeda/ISIS created by Israhell and financed by US. That's why US has already lost the Middle East to Putin >> http://bit.ly/1PSXaoK

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:25 | 6652798 goldhedge
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BLOW FUCKIN BaCK.

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:26 | 6652801 Fish Gone Bad
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Putin is not done by a long way.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:41 | 6652858 Latina Lover
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"The administration "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself," he said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin."

Translated: Putin is winning, thus we must declare VICTORY and leave.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:43 | 6652859 847328_3527
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"Change you can believe in!"

 

Barry is too busy destroying America's middle class with Obamacare Taxes and less access to doctors, FATCA, TPP, and on and on ....

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:45 | 6652871 Latina Lover
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Barry is also  jealous that Putin gets to bomb Syria, and not the USSA.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:57 | 6652918 McCormick No. 9
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Maybe all of this is part of the game plan re: Pike's letter to Mazzini:

1. Destabilize the ME by knocking off secular stronmen in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

2. After reaching "max chaos", allow someone else (Russia) to go in and restore order.

3. Increase Israel's isolation and sense of being cornered in a blind alley, in the hopes that the original terrorist nation will do something stupid and rash, iike nuke one or more of its neighbors and then take over the Temple Mount.

4. When a regional nuclear confict is unleashed, allow the situation to escalate to MaxChaos 2.0, and then, when all the Warring parties (Russia included) have exhausted themselves and the global economy is in utter ruin, step in with the Luciferian One World Govt/Economy/Religion.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:58 | 6652922 wee-weed up
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Everything Obozo touches turns to shit.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:09 | 6652952 TongueStun
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I'm surprised our spooks haven't crop dusted Vlad with some polonium yet.....

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:21 | 6652989 Stackers
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Never forget the first chapter of this story happened in 2011 Benghazi Libya when the Turkey brokered arms deal went bad, Obama admin abandoned them and one CIA op posing as an ambasador and his security detail were killed.

This thing has been a shit show from day one and involves scandal after scandal

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:32 | 6653028 jefferson32
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Note to Tyler Durden, it is only the Israeli press that refers to the Israeli capital as Jerusalem.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:59 | 6653370 Joe Trader
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Missiles are one thing - but so is the TR3-B. Wait until that baby gets pulled out of the hangar.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:32 | 6653654 Save_America1st
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I'm positive now that I saw one of those TR3-B's (or similar craft) flying at night once here in Florida...it was about 11 years ago.  I had no fucking idea what it was back then and thought I was seeing an alien UFO for sure.  It was a black triangle craft.

Until about 2 years ago I had no idea what the TR3-B was.  Then when I first saw a couple videos of one and some drawings, etc. I knew instantly that was what I had seen a decade before...or at least it had to have been some earlier version of it. 

The thing that blew me away when I was watching it was the insane speed of it.  It must have a top speed of several thousand miles per hour, if not even faster.  I watched it accelerate from far away...maybe 2 or 3 miles from me and all it looked like at the time was a large stationary bright ball of light.  I thought it was just a hovering helicopter way out there with a search light on. 

But then this fucking thing went from zero to what seemed like instantaneous light speed towards me but off to the side of the highway by about a half mile or so.  It accelerated so fast it seemed like it teleported from one spot to the other in a split second.  When it stopped it was an even larger bright ball of light because it was much closer to me.  But then the white light dimmed way down and the craft started to come down in a long slow smooth landing pattern right past me about a half mile out or so.

That was when I could see that it was a black triangle craft.  The large bright white light that was now very dim was in the center-bottom of the triangle.  Each of the three corners of the craft on the bottom side which was what I was able to view had a dim red glowing light.  The lights along with the slighty lighter colored night sky totally showed the triangle sillouette of the craft.

I watched it slowly decend past me but about a half mile straight out over farm fields until it descended behind some low hills and trees and was gone.

But if that thing was at least 2 or 3 miles away from me before it pulled that light speed sling-shot maneuver then it had to have accelerated to many thousands of miles per hour and then come to a nearly complete stop in the blink of an eye. 

And that ain't no fucking joke either.  I've read it's some kind of anti-gravity craft.  Whatever it is it's the fastest thing there is by far.

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:32 | 6653664 weburke
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the us is running from the iran israel war about to start. and a good idea. it will be a mess. 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:34 | 6653818 Cornfedbloodstool
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I'm too busy watching the Trayvons man-handle each other on the Jew-vision to care about any of this. My mind has been colonized.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:37 | 6653985 conscious being
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Colonized consciousness, the disease that infects America.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 21:43 | 6654123 Tom Servo
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how quickly you forget, after President Fail (o) was elected, he was spotted carrying a book "The Post American World".  He promised fundamental transformation....

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 22:16 | 6654197 Cornfedbloodstool
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I am having the worst Deja-vue right now.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:02 | 6654289 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Those carriers will make good artificial reefs at least...

Seriously, those things need to be parked in a fucking harbor until high power laser systems are mounted all over them, because that's the only thing that has a chance of taking down multiple missiles at seal level coming in at mach 3.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:04 | 6654298 clymer
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Oh you just know Zbigniew is screwing himself into the ceiling over this shit.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:23 | 6654518 COSMOS
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There's something seriously wrong in the war against ISIS, because look at these statistics from the DOD website where it lists the following information:

As of 4:59 p.m. EDT Oct. 6, the U.S. and coalition have conducted a total of 7,323 strikes (4,701 Iraq / 2,622 Syria).

U.S. has conducted 5,718 trikes in Iraq and Syria (3,231 Iraq / 2,487 Syria)
Rest of Coalition has conducted 1,605 strikes in Iraq and Syria (1,470 Iraq /135 Syria)

The countries that have participated in the strikes include:

In Iraq: (1) Australia, (2) Canada, (3) Denmark, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) The Netherlands, and (7) UK
In Syria: (1) Australia, (2) Bahrain, (3) Canada, (4) France, (5) Jordan, (6) Saudi Arabia, (7) Turkey and (8) UAE

As of Oct. 6, U.S. and partner nation aircraft have flown an estimated 57,843 sorties in support of operations in Iraq and Syria.
Cost of Operations

As of Sep. 15, 2015, the total cost of operations related to ISIL since kinetic operations started on Aug. 8, 2014, is $4 billion and the average daily cost is $10 million for 404 days of operations.

And this does not include Syrian operations or the Russian operation, just doesn't make sense that they still have massive capabilities...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:25 | 6654522 COSMOS
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On what legal authority do we send armed jihadists mercenaries to overthrow the govt of Syria ? Like a burglar in your living room. And they shouldn't be bombed ?
Funny. We have been supporting a dozen groups of "moderate" terrorists (like bin Laden who we supported for 10 years) for 4 years or so, conducted over 7000 bombing strikes and, Washington is whining about Russian failure and a big mistake.
After two weeks Russia is now responsible for destabilizing Syria and creating all the refugees !!!.

We have Washington's regime. The worst and most oppressive regime on face of Earth, ever known to mankind. This regime every single day via their corporate lying and deceiving presstitute media keeps indoctrinating and brain washing us, by spreading fantasy tales and BS propaganda in order to shape proper public opinion so that the regime can achieve their criminal and bloody goals. There are numerous paid Washington's shills in this and other forums that under different aliases keep pounding in our heads BS propaganda. People, do not be gullible. Use your own brain powers.

I'll be happy when all the rebels are dead and gone, and the U.S. no longer has to lie. Our leaders can then just say, "We stole all the money", instead of fabricating all these idiotic schemes and excuses. The U.S. HAS no strategic interest in Syria, and NONE in Iraq. NADA. This is all a money-sucking proxy farce, except that NOW, it is the U.S. that is being used as a proxy force by Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The only question is, why do we let ourselves be used? What can we possibly gain? Again, NADA. Remember Cheney's famous boast that the Iraq war was going to pay for itself with oil revenues? Well, the truth was that not a dime of it was paid by Iraqi oil revenues. Not a single oil concession went to an American oil company. The war cost us trillions of dollars. We spent hundreds of billions "training" and equipping an Iraqi army that can't and won't fight, and does nothing but leave billions of heavy weapons behind for ISIS. The U.S. has been played for 12 years in Iraq. It's time to stop being stupid, and leave this gold-plated rat-hole behind for good.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 05:34 | 6654731 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term!  Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!

http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:03 | 6654299 clymer
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fucking dup

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:42 | 6654542 COSMOS
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"Germany's warm welcome for migrants wearing thin."
By CHARLIE D'AGATA .
CBS NEWS.
October 8, 2015,

BERLIN -- Like so many Syrian refugees, Mohammed Bazav set his sights on Germany.

CBS News first met the 21-year-old architecture student five weeks ago when he crossed into Hungary, dodging police checkpoints.

Mohammed Bazav first spoke to CBS News while dodging police checkpoints in Hungary on his way to Germany. CBS NEWS
He made it to Berlin, where he said he passed his first interview with German immigration authorities. He was given the equivalent of $800 and told to come back in January for another interview. He's not allowed to work in the meantime.
Right now, there is little to stop Islamic extremists from slipping in among the migrants. The police take fingerprints and check them against international databases like Interpol.

"So many people here without ID, without anything," says Mohammed.

The German government has argued that the migrants will provide a much needed work force to offset the needs of an aging population, but not all Germans are buying it.

Germany struggles to absorb Syrian refugees
"That's what they're selling us these people for, that they will pay our pensions in the future," an upset German named Gregor said. "We have 5 million unemployed Germans! They can't even put their own people don't into jobs." With more migrants arriving daily, Germany's generosity is being stretched to the limits.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:57 | 6654543 COSMOS
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The out of control swarming illegal immigrants burn, pillage, rape, and take control of European and American communities and cities. Why do we let them do this?

Here's the deal - they know they're at war with us. And we do not. They treat these overthrows as a wartime tactic. We treat it is as an immigration issue for poor people who don't have homes, food or money.

We use police tactics and volunteers to help the border crossers. They fight a war .... and we don't even see it. We're in trouble.

Have others noticed that over 85% of these so called "refugees" are young males?

When hundreds of thousands of young males move en mass from other nations other continents in to existing countries, that's not a 'refugee problem" that's an

INVASION

This is simply a mass Muslim invasion of Western Europe.

Saudi Arabia the country where this death cult started is financially sponsoring this Muslim invasion of conquest of Europe. Saudi Arabia is not taking any Muslim "refugees" from Syria or Pakistan or any existing Islamic country, instead Saudi Arabia has agreed to pay for hundreds/thousands of new mosques in Europe.

So generous of these Muslim $ billionaires.

And what is Saudi Arabia doing to help the young Christian and Kurdish girls being auctioned off as sex Slaves to ISIS?

Nada.

The West should have broken off all relations with Saudi Arabia after 9-11-01. What were we thinking?

since very first day this tragedy was started I never see any positive comment about this Crisis, that can destroy Europe and change their generation in future. because these invaders grow like mushroom or cancer cell, before you notice it , it's THE END. European people are in a very critic situation, they have to get united and force their lame and #$%$ Government to kick out these invaders, this is Trojan horse Muslims plan to take over the Europe, if you seat in a corner and do nothing, you'll lose your country-next generation-and whatever you have

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:54 | 6654018 chubbar
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Didn't ever dawn on you that you may have been watching an actual alien craft? 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:19 | 6654323 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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I knew it was only a matter of time before people started talking about the "anti-gravity" BS the pentagram has supposedly stolen from the ETs. Area 51, save us, your our only hope!

Whatever you saw was more likely a real alien craft, than a pentagram super-weapon.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:51 | 6654411 Gold Eyed Cat
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I dunno.  I grew up at the end of the BAFB flight line, and as a kid I saw the stealth bombers flying around nearly 5 years before the government admitted they had built one new bomber.  The only reason they admitted anything was because one crashed.  We read the news story and laughed because we knew perfectly well they had more than one and it wasn't all that "new".

The only thing for certain is, if the news comes from the government it's going to be a lie.  Apparently, we can't handle the truth.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:02 | 6653740 farflungstar
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I've noticed that for awhile now, after Barry said "Jerusalem is Israel's eternal, undivided capital", news in general stopped saying Tel Aviv and substituted Jerusalem. 

What's up wit dat?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:34 | 6653036 Paveway IV
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There is no such thing as 10,000 CIA 'rebels' - that's only their on-line name.

There is a 10,000-man CIA assassination team or better still - mafia hit squad - in Syria. They're not rebels, they're not terrorists, they're not even mercs. They are paid criminal assassins, nothing more. My country hired them, so my country is guilty of racketeering and assassination. There are no degrees of separation here - the U.S. is directly responsible. Since the acts were perpetrated by people who are also violating the Constitution of the U.S., they are criminals and traitors.

We should do something about them... right after this season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:36 | 6653039 highandwired
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Russian jet shot down? 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:27 | 6653153 cheech_wizard
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Saw that earlier...single source at the time... 

No notice the article is authored by different people from each paper.

Started Here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish...
Then went here:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-...

By Scott Campbell PUBLISHED: 14:36, Sat, Oct 10, 2015 | UPDATED: 16:43, Sat, Oct 10, 2015 Basically more Western agitprop... Standard Disclaimer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA
Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:49 | 6653201 WTFRLY
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White House still ignores murder of American reporter Serena Shim who filmed western aid to ISIS February 27, 2015

1 year almost since her death. Today would have been her 30th birthday.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:56 | 6653211 Manthong
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Let’s see.. Glencore…  Douche Bank…   swaps..  major fail in Syria Control strategy… somebody in a little circle is going to need a diversion pretty quick..

I don’t have a crystal ball or anything.. but this sure would be an interesting time for some wholly unforseen tragedy of incredibly newsworthy purportions to occur.   

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:40 | 6653322 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy! http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
Sat, 10/10/2015 - 22:59 | 6654288 jeff montanye
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speaking of other things of dubious veracity, this line from the post above is, imo, so completely wrong i think "stop" was used when "start" was meant.

"and despite all the posturing, Obama is unwilling to risk World War III just to stop a Qatar gas pipeline to Europe."

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 05:54 | 6654749 janus
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i caught that, too.  in fact, i was surprised that i made it this far through the comments without seeing another Hedger take note.  but, Jeffrey, careful and scrupulous readers are few and far-between these days.  

btw, i think you've misspelled "Montaigne". {don't get huffy, jeffery...that's a fairly sophisticated joke.  i hope you appreciate it.}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE

p.s. Indelicate Genius changes his avatar too frequently.  i'm still biased to the cat in the tux.

 cheers,

janus

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:52 | 6653345 The Black Bishop
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"Is it worth risking the lives of 5-6 thousand US sailors and, possibly, starting a nuclear war?"

 

All I need to say is: Pearl Fucking Harbor in motion.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:49 | 6653860 inosent
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Cool username ... the black bishop. I think I'm gonna steal ur idea and use 'the white king' next time I create an acct somewhere ....

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:14 | 6653771 geno-econ
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October Stockmarket Crash reflecting reality would be a good start

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:38 | 6653485 spyware-free
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from the article;
"A RUSSIAN jet has been shot down by Turkish forces after it flew into the country's airspace, according to as yet unconfirmed reports circulating on social media."

That last line pretty much says all you need to know about the credibility of this story. Also, you think CNN and the other western mouthpieces wouldn't jump at the chance to throw dirt in Putin's eye?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 06:52 | 6654786 bigkahuna
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We'll see. If errant cruise missiles start flying into Turkey - then we'll know.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:09 | 6653115 SWRichmond
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You and I (and perhaps others) wonder how 10,000 "moderate rebels" were vetted before being trained and equipped.  I am guessing an interview with some commander-wannabee, who said "yes I am a moderate" and then CIA said "awesome, here's $500,000,000.00 and a boatload of sophisticated weapons.  Go hire and train some more moderates."  Or maybe CIA just asked McCain and took his word for it.

  ...but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies

Some secret... 

This kind of shit is what you get when the deep state breathes its own fumes.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:47 | 6653165 Lore
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Exactly. American hands are drenched in blood. It's not enough just to withdraw from Syria and leave a bunch of mercs and "assets" to burn, and it's not enough to go after the individuals behind specific atrocities like 911, the bombing of the hospital, or the weddings, or Abu Ghraib, or Benghazi, or, or...  Nothing will be fixed or resolved until those responsible for drafting, approving and implementing the pathological policy behind all the loss of life over the past decade are prosecuted and brought to justice. Unless and until that happens, America has abandoned its moral foundation and is doomed as a nation. It's just a practical observation.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:04 | 6653229 techpreist
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One step further, all federal funding to the academics that are actively thinking up the philosophies that generate such people, must be cut off. Although, ideally, I would like to see them brought to justice as well.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 06:44 | 6654780 fleur de lis
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Agree except that bringing them to justice will only waste more tax money since their friends also control the Justice Department. Even an airtight case will get tossed after a phonecall.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 07:32 | 6654806 CuttingEdge
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People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future.

Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over.

- Paul Craig Roberts

 

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:07 | 6653752 geno-econ
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Neocons went a step too far with their marauder agenda in Ukraine and Syria.  Now they have been silenced by Putin with a show of force exposing US weakness. Both Bush and Obama showed weakness in not controllling  Neocon influence in Wash. and is now reflectrd in political party turmoil.  EU should rejoice because US policy in Syria caused refugee problem which will subside with end of civil war in Syria.  Kiev government now also realizes US will not support real  confrontation with Russia and Russia will not give up Crimea. Neocon experiment in achieving growth through regime change has been a total failure and huge drain on US economy.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:40 | 6653831 Grimaldus
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Hey man, last I checked, fucking PROGRESSIVES have been in charge for a LOOOOOOONG time now.

Dumbass neocons are cheering from the sidelines for sure but this is a totally progressive owned shit show. And there are none bloodier than the progressives. Hillary led the charge to destabilize Libya and none are moar progressive than she is. There were no neocons twisting her arm.

I'm not sure where all this regime change crime came from, but it damn sure didn't come from constitutional conservatives like Ron Paul. The progressive criminals infesting the US FEDGOV are responsible, both sides of the aisle.

US citizens and the rest of the world would greatly benefit by kicking out the progressive criminal usurpers infesting the FEDGOV and installing constitutional limited government conservatives. No moar foreign wars, no moar intervention. US taxpayer money stays home.

Grimaldus

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 23:19 | 6654342 Demdere
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Progressives of the Left are our Democrats.  Progressives of the Right are neocons.  Left-Progressives use government to improve our domestic situation, right-progressives use war to improve our world situation.

Neither version works for any purpose expending vast amounts of money employing enough voters to get elected, as we are now finding.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 00:22 | 6654454 Lore
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There are diverse and overlapping layers of group membership.  Overall, I'm convinced that the problem boils down to psychopathy, plain and simple. Absence of conscience brings loss of balance. (Agenda 21 is to some extent a poor substitute for conscience, a lying, mischievous attempt by oligarchs to cover and offset their own "unsustainability": I digress.)  

Psychopaths are manipulators and spoilers and destroyers. I've experienced it first hand. No matter the potential of your organization, collapse is just a matter of time if it gets hijacked by psychopaths. "Order out of chaos" is just more manipulative bullshit, their signature, a rationalization of the fact that normals get stuck with the tab whenever the psychopaths are finished their latest destructive orgy.

Political Ponerology:  A Science on the Nature of Evil

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 02:18 | 6654581 Clashfan
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Psychology is a kind of answer. Perhaps a better one is that there's a Luciferian system in charge. It cannot be overrided. It's Luciferian Zionis, sure, among other things.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 07:03 | 6654790 bigkahuna
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"neo-con" was the term used for the rupublicants when it became apparant that they were hell bound to invade Iraq. New Conservative? WTF ever. They are what you said they are, murderous fucking psychopaths. There is nothing conservative about these dirt bags. They, like their democrap counterparts are one in the same. There is nothing new about any of them and there is nothing conservative about them. They are a gang of murderous thugs with a shit load of very fucking powerful weapons. As George Carlin said "watch the fuck out!"

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 10:07 | 6655037 mickeyman
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Neocons say "We're bombing your country because we can/want to/will benefit from it."

Neolibs say, "We're bombing your country because we love you/want to help you."

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:48 | 6653856 Socratic Dog
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Good succinct summary.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:16 | 6653936 Handful of Dust
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<< here's $500,000,000.00 and a boatload of sophisticated weapons >>

 

"We enriched some folks."

 

It's no wonder house prices in the DC area will never drop; it's 99.9% based on the MIC.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 09:09 | 6654905 OpTwoMistic
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Lore      Do not confuse Americans with the actions of US .gov.  Total disconnect between gov and peoople.

Nothing backing gov actions except total media blackout

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 10:53 | 6655148 Grumbleduke
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and yet - you are here...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 00:14 | 6654446 Rock On Roger
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The first chapter was 1694, Bank of England.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 09:20 | 6654919 OneHorseCarriage
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Stackers, you really should wear a shirt...

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6653017 Innominate
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You don't bump off leaders of other countries if those other countries have the capibility of bumping you back.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:21 | 6653267 Max Steel
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The aircraft carrier was taken out late Thursday so that it can undergo maintenance, but its temporary removal is also part of budget cuts.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:35 | 6653038 datura
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lols...Zionists have tried to get rid of Putin about 8 times so far. But they can't, all assasination attempts failed. Two words: FSB knights. And also this:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_njYUA3uurU

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:51 | 6654015 conscious being
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datura. Love what you do ... usually, but the NYT? the Zino mouth piece? Any book promoted by same can only be intended to poison your mind.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:57 | 6654560 maxwellsdemon
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The NYT absolutely deletes any comment questioning the Government's story about 911.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 02:25 | 6654588 conscious being
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NYT has a long history of distortion.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 04:33 | 6654677 roddy6667
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Vlad is a duster, not a dustee.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:37 | 6653049 oldmanofthesee
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Even he cannot be as stupid as the results suggest. He must be the communist they say that he is.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:56 | 6653354 Loanman26
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Obama 3 putts again

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:18 | 6653784 TAALR Swift
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"Everything Obozo touches turns to shit." -wee-weed up

As intended.  From that perspective, he's doing a bang-up job.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:10 | 6652955 38BWD22
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Let Russia and Iran have Syria.  Not America's business.  

Yep, let Russia and Iran have it.

On the other hand there are some risks for them...:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/politics/iran-general-killed-syria-isis/in...

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:22 | 6652995 greenskeeper carl
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I agree 100%. What I'm dreading is listening to all the republitards in the next debate trying to one up each other on the war mongering. The problem with 'let Russia have it' is that it will be talked about by the right as though that's a bad thing. It will be spun as an Obama fuck uo(which it is) not because of the simple fact that it was never any of our business in the first place. To them, EVERYTHING is our business, and they will be spending the next few weeks talking tough about how they will stand up to Putin.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:06 | 6653085 RockyRacoon
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You got it right, Carl.  If they want to see Russia get its butt kicked, give them Syria, and Afghanistan, and Iraq and all the other crappy countries that the U. S. has managed to destabilize.  Wish the Russians luck in putting that all back together.  Better yet, encourage them to annex the whole shootin' match into the Russian alliance!

Hey, wait.... could this have been the long term plan all along?  Hmmm....  Maybe them thar neocons are smarter than they look.  Nah, never mind.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 02:02 | 6654566 COSMOS
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Imagine a people that desperately hate you. A people that believes you are evil, an infidel, an enemy of both race and religion. These people raise their children on lies of hatred of you and your western ideals- so much that some children become insane, wanting to maime, kill and destroy everything about you and your city. This people is now at your front door. They are knocking, and begging to come in. They realize that with your religion, you have something called sympathy, and goodwill-love your neighbor as yourself. They are using this to enter into your house. They are pleading, crying, showing photos of their lost. Strategically placing children and women on your front door step, crying, begging, doing anything possible to gain your trust.

Once you open the door, and let them in, you will never be the same. These people hate you, you are the infidel. Once inside the next step is to take over everything you have, and get rid of you.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 05:35 | 6654734 Kiwi Pete
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Total bollocks. I've travelled widely in the Middle East through Egypt, Jordan, Syria Turkey and Iran and found the people very welcoming and friendly. You on the other hand seem like a no-nothing fear-mongerer of the worst type.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 12:32 | 6655378 Socratic Dog
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My own experience is the same.  They SHOULD hate our guts.....but they don't.  I never really understood.  It's almost like they're, I dunno, turning the other cheek or somethin'.

Imagine if (when?) the roles were reversed.  Not too much goodwill from  zios/xstians I imagine.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 13:07 | 6655433 maxwellsdemon
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you mean Hassidic/Orthodox Jews?  Try and engage on in conversation without becoming aware of that they have an icy disdain for your even being in their presence.   They look at you as if you are some lower species, because they are told by their Rabbis that you are!  Remember Rabbi Yosef, the Chief Rabbi of the Likud party in Israel, and the one at whose funeral overa  million Israeli men turned out in the streets?  He said the purpose of goys is to serve jews; and without serving jews, goys had no purpose. Only jews have souls, per the good Rabbi Yosef.   Did Bernie Sanders denounce this?

 

Reformed Jews can at least hide it pretty well.  Well at least the Muslims pass the 'marry their sister test'.   As long as you convert to their faith, Muslims seem to be OK with your marrying their sister.  Not the same with any Jews, except those who abandon Judaism as a faith

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:40 | 6653056 sp0rkovite
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The article implies the CIA "lost" Syria. When did it ever "win" it? Total political propaganda.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:31 | 6653160 datura
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There are some risks, yes, dead Iranian general, perhaps soon some dead Russian soldiers. But unlike the USA, Iran is fighting for its existence here. They know if Syria falls, they could be next. As for Russia, it is very similar. As one expert said: "When the USA looks at Syria, they see pipelines, profit from weapons, money and power." But the first thing Putin sees, when looking at Syria, is Chechnya. Syria is very close to Russia, but very far from the USA. And that is a huge difference.

For example, yesterday, some ISIS fighters were arrested in Chechnya. Luckily, FSB discovered them before they could do some harm. Not even talking about those ISIS fighters, who came to Ukraine, to fight against the pro-Russian rebels!!! You can see, how close and how important is this to Russia and why Russia cannot give up here and has to go to all the extremes. Including the parked nuclear submarine near Syria.

I could say to the US lunatics: you shouldn't have kept poking the bear. You shouldn't have supported terrorists in Chechnya. You should have left Ukraine to Russia. As Putin said very clearly in Valdai: "Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order—until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain."

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:15 | 6653601 Bring the Gold
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Do you have a link for that Putin statement?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:59 | 6654564 maxwellsdemon
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Don't forget it's Israel treating wounded jihadists it is Israel which has been bombing Assad for years now, killing Syrian officers and enlised men on the pretext that whatever was  hit was going to supply weapons to Hezbollah.   So what?   Hezbollah is a self defense force for Lebanon.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 08:11 | 6654830 socalbeach
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That doesn't sound like Putin to make threats ("wll be taught the true meaning of pain"), as opposed to just taking action.  Here's the transcript of the speech and Q&A, I couldn't find that quote or something similar, but didn't read the whole thing:

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/46860

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 00:34 | 6654472 sandhillexit
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“'Obviously, this is a different approach, where we’re going to be vetting leaders as opposed to each individual fighter,' said Christine Wormuth, the Pentagon’s chief of policy.

 

 

The initial plan was dubious. The new one is hallucinatory..." in the opinion of the NYTimes.

U.S., Saudis and Israel seem set to turn the violence in Syria up a notch.  And then there is the next domino, Turkey.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:33 | 6653030 bid the soldier...
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The House of Saud is going to love being downwind of regional nuclear conflict 2.0.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:02 | 6653739 agent default
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House of Saud better be careful, because once Syria is taken care of, they will pay dearly for arming ISIS.  If Russia wins in the ME Qatar and SA are up for regime change and the US cannot stop it.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 13:20 | 6655484 maxwellsdemon
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as will Israel which will become a target due to their decision to station thousands of American soldiers with radar gear on top of Dimona who were placed there as a human shield against Iranian attack

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:58 | 6653093 Neil Patrick Harris
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no no no. It's a about Israel seizing legal authority to drill for oil and nat gas in the Golan Heights/Southern Syria. The plan was to arm ISIS, help ISIS defeat Assad, let ISIS be terrible ISIS who will then threaten Israel, giving the Israelis a perfect excuse to invade Syria, defeat ISIS and look like a hero, then build a pipeline through Turkey, right in to Europe.

But thankfully Putin cockblocked those racist Zionists, and he is going to get all the oil and gas for himself. Poor ol' Bibi gets nothing. Checkmate.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 02:01 | 6654565 maxwellsdemon
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Bibi ordered Hamas to stir up the Pals again so he can ethnically cleanse them when all eyes are on Syria.   'Never let a crisis go to waste'

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:13 | 6653252 Farqued Up
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That's the plan, but I can't see the Keystone Kops executing the plan. The only reason to have a plan is to have a plan change. Got that? If you got it, explain it to me.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:34 | 6653301 Groundhog Day
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Thats some deep long planning

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:53 | 6653719 Freddie
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http://www.moonofalabama.org/

Moon of Alabama web site is saying the See Eye Aye and Pentagram are not giving up.  If anything, they plan on ramping it up.  How many more civilians do they want to kill?  Sickening.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 21:06 | 6654046 conscious being
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Terror bombing in Turkey yesterday of peace march, 90 killed 100s wounded. The jihadi menace that Erdogan brought in is killing the country.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 00:15 | 6654448 spyware-free
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it's truly terrifying what murderous psychopaths run western governments. They cloak themselves in morality and patriotism duping the masses of dipshits into thinking killing people across the globe keeps us safe at home all the while real freedom and prosperity is being stolen from us at home.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:29 | 6653157 cheech_wizard
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How long do you think Saudi Arabia woulld last if their oil fields were burning?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:50 | 6653523 YuShun
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Burning the oil fields would be wasteful, and would harm the environment which would generate lots of bad press.
Since the Russians were able to immobilize a high-tech military asset such as the USS Donald Cook,
imagine how easy it would be for them to immobilize Saudi Arabia's oil industry.    

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:56 | 6653725 acetinker
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No shit!  Similariy, how long would it take Russia to set 'em on fire?

Judging by the response in Syria- 'Bout a week.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:17 | 6653942 Handful of Dust
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<< The House of Saud is going to love being downwind of regional nuclear conflict 2.0. >>

 

From your lips to God's ears.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 00:51 | 6654474 acetinker
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How'd you wind up down here?  My friend Kilgore and I were just discussing our wonderful MyRA accounts.  Care to join us?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:03 | 6652936 FIAT CON
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ya this will slow down the kill rate of people Obobmba has killed since being in power

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:28 | 6653009 bid the soldier...
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Also that he "hung himself."

WITHOUT A VACUUM TUBY PUMPY THINGY

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:15 | 6652971 o r c k
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And a great victory It's been too !!! (the war on the middle class)

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:39 | 6653176 RichardParker
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Barry has moved on from trying to overthrow Syria since he knows he can not win against the Russians. He's moved onto a much easier target. Allegedly, he is threatening the American people with an executive order on gun control. Typical bully mentality.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:09 | 6653242 techpreist
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Given our military spending I think we actually could win an all-out war. We have enough nukes to glass the planet a dozen times after all.

However, bullies don't want to fight with someone who could actually fight back, and who could change the wars from this abstract thing that "creates jobs" and only hurts a few Americans (10k Americans = 0.003% of the population), to something that people actually might not want.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:31 | 6653297 El Vaquero
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Given our military spending, there is a good chance that fighting a real war would kill the dollar before we won the war, which would fuck up our military's supply chains. 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 02:05 | 6654568 maxwellsdemon
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The Russians spend for their military too, but don't have as much corruption when it comes to procurement.    They use a bullet to the head as punishment for transgressors no doubt.

 

There is no way to win at nuclear war.   Russia has enough nukes, no actually they have nore nukes than the US has. Russia can turn the US into parking lot too, an empty parking lot that is

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:53 | 6653347 Manthong
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"Change you can believe in!" 

dimes, nickels or pennies?

that is what the mulatto is leaving you.


Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:48 | 6652885 Urban Roman
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Just to be 'fair', this platter of pigs did not start with Barry. It goes way back before that.

But it looks like it will end with him. Probably not going to be able to kick that can into 2017.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:51 | 6652897 Bay of Pigs
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Obama's Bay Of Pigs?

I am insulted to be associated with that statement.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:13 | 6652962 viahj
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if this is framed as an Obama failure in foreign policy (it will) in the upcoming US political Presidential selection, the candidates will all be falling over themselves to come to the aide of our "ME Allies" to restore order.  there will be a push to re-escalate US involvement in the ME especially with the pressure of Israel over their owned US politicians.  a US retreat in the short term while fortunate for the American people, will not stand.  the warmongers will be posturing themselves as to which will be the loudest in calling for re-engagement. 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:25 | 6653004 greenskeeper carl
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I Should have read down further before commenting, I said much the same thing above. That's my fear as well.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:36 | 6653044 Bay of Pigs
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Unfortunately you are probably correct on that. Clinton, Biden, Trump, Bush, or anyone else in the GOP would gladly push for more war.

Not sure about Sanders, but I don't expect he has a chance at being President.

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:01 | 6653737 Freddie
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It is not just O.  The entire US govt is corrupt with TPP vote don by Republicans.  They have done nothing to stop any of this.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/obama-launches-a-proxy-war-on-russi...

It is not over either. The Pentagram and See Eye Aye now want a proxy war with Russia.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:21 | 6652979 o r c k
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You guys just can't stop making me "duck and cover" all the time. Stop it.

bay of pigs indeed

DUCK and COVER!!!!

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:20 | 6652987 38BWD22
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Touché, Bay!

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:32 | 6653163 Urban Roman
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Yeah, to tell the truth it's more like a whole ocean of pig sh*t.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:02 | 6653379 Manthong
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Bay of Pigs?

My short snouted, cloven hooved, curly tailed friends resent any association between them and the Kenyan swamp dweller currently disgracing 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.   

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:22 | 6655671 Aloysius Snuffl...
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Latina Lover, you say this almost as if you have a problem with Putin winning and the USA losing.  We know you're a FSB shill so ... ?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:11 | 6652958 Hans-Zandvliet
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@Fish gone bad

Not indeed.

Because it's far easier to sow chaos (the US' main job) than to clean it up (Putin's effort).

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:14 | 6653413 Manthong
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Sow… and chaos .. you got that right..

Swine in the dark house..  and plenty of confusion to go around.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:58 | 6652924 Implied Violins
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You better fucking believe it. And it could happen soon: Monday is the 623rd anniversary of Columbus 'discovering' America. These elite bastards LOVE them their numerology, and 23 is a master number (reference the movie "23" with Jim Carrey), 6 is 2x3 and a 'diabolical' number, and the three numbers add up to 11 - another master number.

Hey, I don't believe in this shit, but THEY do, and they use it to plan events. May as well try to use it to predict their BS.

Anyway, now that Oboy is letting ISIS take a pounding in the ass without help, what's to stop 'ISIS' bastids who were 'helped' to cross our borders from getting REVENGE and bombing multiple cities simultaneously? After all the numerology I've seen about the numbers '12', and '13' in halftime superbowl ads these last few years (13 was prominent in the 49er game that got interrupted for 33 min 13 seconds, and resumed with 13:13 to play; and 12 was prominent in Bruno Mar's show), could they have been telegraphing their intentions?

So, just a head's up - as the astrology of the new moon and the positions of the stars on the 12th are also 'favored' (and they love astrology too): Monday, STAY OUT OF MAJOR CITY CENTERS. And prepare for a financial market crash on the heels of any false-flag.

Better to say what I think and take those red arrows than to hold back at this point.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:09 | 6652951 daveO
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You may be on to something,

http://redefininggod.com/

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:36 | 6653041 MarkGoldman
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Where is Richard Hoaglund when you need him?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:36 | 6653168 cheech_wizard
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Richard Hoaglund? No, now we have this guy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKvWiToj8Y

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6653467 ebear
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Investigating crop circles on Jupiter?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 15:36 | 6653170 Urban Roman
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Cute. Except you are WRONG BY 100 YEARS.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:24 | 6653645 Lea
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Implied Violins, I'm afraid they only believe in one numerology: $10.000,  $20.000, $300.000, $400.000.000, and so on and so forth.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 21:53 | 6654141 One World Mafia
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Al-CIA-duh won't bring their US-gifted toys over here for the fun of it without a Pentagon, US Intel Agency mission to scare Americans into parting with what's left of their eroded civil rights.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6653466 Freddie
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How many Syrian Christians and non-Christians did the See Eye Aye, ZWO, Saudis, Qatar, Nudelman and Bibi murder?  How many Libyans?  How many Iraqis?

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 21:20 | 6654069 conscious being
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What ever the number, I'm sure crypto, grotesquely fat and balding Maddy Albright thinks it was worth it.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:49 | 6653714 monoloco
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Thank God they finally saw the light and threw in the towel. The worst possible thing that could have happened is for our efforts to overthrow Assad to have been successful. Anybody remember Iraq? A fucking tyrant is the only thing keeping that shithole from becoming a caliphate. We should get the hell out of the whole region and let Putin have it. Good luck with those goat fuckers Vladimir! Let us know how it all turns out for you.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:25 | 6653800 Sparkey
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This is the best outcome we could imagine, whoever made this decision truly deserves a Medal. such mature thinking and behavior is unexpected but welcome!

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 13:18 | 6652779 Winston Churchill
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Underestimating the Russians has proved very costly over the centuries.

The only lesson of history, is that nobody learns from it.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:02 | 6652930 Herd Redirectio...
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A primary factor in this, IMO, has been the rewriting of history, esp. from a Western European vantage point.

You know those 'Mongols' the history books go on about?   Turns out the ones who invaded Europe were mainly Slavic and Turkic!  Interesting, isn't it?  They don't tell you about the Mongol's sophisticated siege weaponry or the use of early cannons, generally, either. 

And they had even then a WMD, the Parthian shot, riding at a full gallop away from the enemy, and firing straight backwards (at a charging enemy).  "This tactic was used by most Eurasian nomads, including the Scythians, Huns, Turks, Magyars, and Mongols,"  In other words, it was used by Turkic and Slavic horse-riding people. 

We always view things from a Western perspective.  Example.  Venice had a colony in the Crimea, Sudak.  So we assume Italians were in Russia, but we never assume there were Russians in Italy at that time!  And today, the most COMMON last name in Italy is ROSSI.  I shit you not.   You have all the Slavs in the Balkans, but no... They never were in Italy, or influential there...

In Turkey, you have Rum (Asia Minor), and Rumelia, respectively.  But they must have named it after an Italian city, right?  Could never be that Rome in Italy was named after the regions surrounding Constantinople (which was after all, a mighty medieval capital).  And I quote: "Larch wood imported from Russia serves as Venice's foundation"

EtRUScans?  In Europe you had Military ORDERS (pronounced orda in medieval English), in Russia you had Military HORDES. Same goddamn thing.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:33 | 6653023 38BWD22
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Wiki says that Rome was apparently named after Romulus:

According to the founding myth of Rome, the city was founded on 21 April 753 BC by twin brothers Romulus and Remus, who descended from the Trojan prince Aeneas[14] and who were grandsons of the Latin King, Numitor of Alba Longa. King Numitor was deposed from his throne by his brother, Amulius, while Numitor's daughter, Rhea Silvia, gave birth to the twins.[15][16] Because Rhea Silvia was raped and impregnated byMars, the Roman god of war, the twins were considered half-divine.

The new king feared Romulus and Remus would take back the throne, so he ordered them to be drowned.[16] A she-wolf (or a shepherd's wife in some accounts) saved and raised them, and when they were old enough, they returned the throne of Alba Longa to Numitor.[17][18]

The twins then founded their own city, but Romulus killed Remus in a quarrel over the location of the Roman Kingdom, though some sources state the quarrel was about who was going to rule or give his name to the city.[19] Romulus became the source of the city's name.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome

 

Etruria, (Etruscans):

Etruscan civilization (/??tr?sk?n/) is the modern name given to a civilization of ancient Italy in the area corresponding roughly to Tuscany, western Umbria, and northern Lazio. The ancient Romans called its creators the Tusci or Etrusci.[1] Their Roman name is the origin of the terms Tuscany, which refers to their heartland, and Etruria, which can refer to their wider region.

In Attic Greek, the Etruscans were known as ???????? (Tyrrh?noi), earlier Tyrsenoi, from which the Romans derived the names Tyrrh?ni(Etruscans), Tyrrh?nia (Etruria), and Mare Tyrrh?num (Tyrrhenian Sea),[2] prompting some to associate them with the Teresh (Sea Peoples). The word may also be related to the Hittite Taruisa.[3] The Etruscans called themselves Rasenna, which was syncopated toRasna or Ra?na.[4]

As distinguished by its unique language, this civilization endured from before the time of the earliest Etruscan inscriptions (c. 700 BC)[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

 

The Russians were named after the Kievan Rus (11th Century AD):

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

 

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Please look stuff up before you write "facts".


Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:34 | 6653034 Lea
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"And today, the most COMMON last name in Italy is ROSSI."

Plural of rosso, meaning "redhead". Same latin root as the British name Russell.

"EtRUScans?  In Europe you had Military ORDERS (pronounced orda in medieval English), in Russia you had Military HORDES. Same goddamn thing."

"Order" is from the latin "ordo".

Horde exists in ancient Turkic and Mongol, and later in medieval latin as "orda".

Then, Mongols are from Northern China. Nothing to do with Slavs (caucasians) or Turks.

And, Slavs are not a race. They're a culture.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 17:55 | 6653538 ebear
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Hors D'oeuvres....

Which must be followed at all times!!!

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:40 | 6653690 MEAN BUSINESS
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Everybody's doing a brand new dance now

C'mon baby do the AlfredNeumann...

Enjoying the humor ebear, keep it coming!

"if laughter is a straw for a drowning man..." - RUSH


Sun, 10/11/2015 - 01:38 | 6654535 Herd Redirectio...
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Which land has the most redheads, after Scotland (named after Scythians/Scotti)/Ireland?  Russia.  Udmurtia, specifically. 

To think I have never looked up the official definition, LOL.  Thats good.  Amusing.

But what you guys forgot to look up was the actual Etruscan language, and the contemporary accounts of the Mongols.  The Etruscan language cannot be deciphered.  That is the official story.  But some have tried to read it as a Cyrillic script, and succeeded.  This is just ignored, because it shakes up history too much.

The contemporary depictions of the Mongols show them bearded and fair haired (blond, even).  Looking exactly as the people they are invading/conquering.

Think about it, why would the land of the Etruscans be called Etruria (if their land is Etruria, they are Etrurians, no?).  Simple logic dictates Etruscans are from Etrussia!  Rus Khans...

The whole story about the schism in the Catholic church, and that there was a Pope in France, and there was a Pope in Italy, blah blah blah, the whole point of that story is that there was no legitimate Pope in Rome.  And then when there WAS a Pope in Rome (because the Roman Catholics came up with this idea of establishing their own capital), so they had to explain how THERE HAD ALWAYS been a Pope in Rome, Italy!  LOL.

The Pantheon is made of concrete.  Concrete was not developed until the Middle Ages!  The standard explanation is that the 'secret was lost for hundreds of years'.  Well, its one explanation!  The other is that the entire chronology is erroneous!  This is just one example of many!  Many!

Chronology is not something I question lightly.  But there is a great deal of evidence suggesting it is an artificial construct. 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 18:08 | 6653580 YuShun
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Some Mongol lands are in China, specifically Inner Mongolia, but Mongols are not Han Chinese.  

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 19:57 | 6653883 Freddie
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Venice has a really interesting history.  Supposedly the people fled there after, I think, the collapse of Rome??  They had to wade through those marshes which made it hard to attack.

Sadly, a lot of the Black Hand Nobility, supposedly still controlling the world, had a lot to do with Venice.  I knew a Venetian and he was about 6'5".  I have been in parts of Italy and never saw too many Italians that tall though it is possible. 

 

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:07 | 6652948 FIAT CON
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Well one thng for sure is that the US military is a business. If there are no boogie man or wars how many military men get pink slips...perpetual war keeps perpetual paychecks and promotions happening.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:17 | 6652974 monk27
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It must have been shocking for our Pentagon masters to witness the attack of all those Russian cruise missiles. It was very bad news for our forces based in Qatar, and for the Saudi military who, right now, seems to be ruled by a demented king. That was the real message that Putin wanted to convey to the "exceptionals" of the world united...

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 14:51 | 6653080 Winston Churchill
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What if they have boomers in the Caspian ?

Doesn't matter how noisy they are if you can't deploy your ASW assets.

Are we sure they scrapped all those soviet era boomers ?

I think theres a lot more aces up Putins sleeve, and now the west is just getting an inkling.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:38 | 6653317 Farqued Up
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Noisy, I think I remember Toshiba apologizing in tears that they furnished the quiet prop tech to China. Didn't an undetected sub surface inside a carrier group during maneuvers?

What a bunch of crap.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 16:49 | 6653343 Winston Churchill
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The new Rissians subs areon a par with USN ones.There was a Swedish firm that also sold

silent propellor NC manufacting tech to the Russians, i seem to remember.

I was refering to the old soviet boomers, their silo tubes are probably usable by

the more modern ICBM's.

That would change the balance of terror enough to disabuse the neocons out of their

first strike delusions.

Sat, 10/10/2015 - 20:15 | 6653934 Freddie
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Russia has or is working on Caspian subs with ICBMs. It is not covered in any treaty. I am not sure if they are as big as Bulava's but I think they are MIRVs and may be able to reach the USA.  I cannot find the story. 

New Russian "black hole" subs.

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150724/1024998309.html

Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi (?!) buying lots of newer Russian BMP-3s.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/824762

Russians not worried about MANPADs in Syria.

http://tass.ru/en/defense/827491

Egypt moving closer to Russia

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150916/1027077795.html

 

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