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mentally unstable.... but who in the us is mentally stable?
In a country with government run "healh care?" Anyone who disagrees with the government is unstable. Remember the USSR?
The end around is/will be bullet control. Already doubled in price with the first assault on ammo, with more taxes and draconian legislation they will make the selling of ammo too much hassle than it is worth forcing ammo into an expensive black market. Take away the ability to practice leaves an easier group to conquer.
They seem to have abandoned this line of attack, at least for now.
My suspicion is that mental health exceptions are the key. As soon as anybody who takes certain drugs becomes ineligible, which most people would find to be a reasonable precaution, the list of exsclusionary drugs will skyrocket. This cuts the percentage of gunowners way down to a small minority, which can then be safely trampled into the dust by the tyrannical face of democracy-- majority rules.
People do not realize how much they owe to Ronald Reagan and Bob Dole on this front. I remember the days when FFL holders had to see ID and log in every single round of ammo they sold. No .22 to people under 21 (because it was classified as a pistol cartridge). No mail order.
you are mentally unstable if you own a gun according to obama the muslim.
put me down as bat-shit crazy then.
I'm tired of so called "gun rights advocates" calling to keep guns out of the hands of the "dangerous" or "mentally ill". Who the fuck do you think controls the definition of "dangerous" or "mentally ill"? It's the same fucking government that wants to prevent seniors who have someone else help them with their financial matters from owning guns. And any veteran who seeks help from the VA for PTSD. What's next? Like others have said, only the "dangerous" or "mentally ill" would own a gun according to the nuts in this administration.
If you are gun rights advocate, join the NRA whether you agree with their tactics or not, and stop advocating magazines size restrictions, limitations on the number or types of guns that can be owned, or keeping guns from "dangerous or mentally ill people" because before you know it, you will be on one of those same lists that you think is "reasonable" or "common sense".
Why is that prevert in bed with a boy?
No compromise. Each time the same side (the people who believe in the Constitution) compromises they go half way to the other side. Compromise twice that they are 75% there. Three times - 87.5% there. Eventually by compromising you go completely to the opposite side.
See the debt, deficit, business strangling laws, massive, intrusive, all-powerful, government, et al, for examples.
Who is to define 'unstable'?
Is being 'unstable' something such as being bipolar? Being depressed? Having ADD?
The founding fathers were pretty clear. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed under any circumstances.
This debate was already handled at the constitutional convention.
obama is standing in the green mentally unstable area...gee i wonder why...?
Still think these school shootings are real? Then why, in a local Oregon news story on the UCC "shooting", is there footage from Sandy Hook? This is a turbo WTF!!!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe2x5Cg5zhY&itct=CB0QpDAYAyITCJLJ56TNuMgCF...
This fantasy that a bunch of civilians with ak-47s are going to fight off the US military is quite the laugh, though popular amongst zh'ers and apparently ben carson. So, when the drones are floating overhead what is the strategy? Shoot at the sky? lol
Warsaw uprising (which carson has apparently never heard of) was a total disaster, tea party vs. us military would be even much worse.
If you are arguing in favour of no gun control laws, at least come up with a somewhat sensible reason.
US gun laws begin and end with the Second Amendment. Did you junk us?
Gun rights have already been compromised a dozen times over. Why should we compromise on a compromise that was compromised?
"Guns make us less safe" - President Obama
"If you are arguing in favour of no gun control laws, at least come up with a somewhat sensible reason."
Look, it's James_Cole the fucking gay UK troll who has lived his entire life on the government dole and is a muzzy fuckhole.
Gun control in the UK was passed in stages, beginning just after World War I and continuing in a reactionary fashion with increasing strictness through the 1990s. When the final stage arrived in 1997, and virtually all handguns were banned via the Firearms Act, the promise was a reduction in crime and greater safety for the British people. But the result was the emergence of Britain as the most violent country in Europe.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/24/how-gun-control-ma...
On the afternoon of May 22, 2013, an unarmed British Army soldier named Lee Rigby was walking down a street in Southwest London when he was beheaded with a cleaver by two Muslims who also had a gun.
The UK's draconian gun laws did not allow Lee Rigby to protect himself.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/19/two-men-convicted-of-br...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcCectCGLY
you're right. the awesome US military that couldn't manage to defeat any of the peasant armies it has engaged since korea will fare better against its own citizens. Im not advocating anything like that, just to be clear, but the military has had failure after failure the past few decades(unless you want to count grenada, wahoo) and that was against much smaller countries and populations than here. I fucking really hope nothing like that ever happens here, but history is rife with tehnologically superior armies withdrawing from an area with its tail tucked between its legs.
But, yes I am arguing in favor of no gun control laws whatsoever, because its none of anyone elses fucking business what I or anyone else owns. I support no law that infringes on people's natural rights.
Sun Tzu or some nutter said that, when the enemy believes he has lost he has lost. So Take your faggy defeatism and shove it up your ass.
A somewhat sensible reason?
There is this simple one.
My rights to protect my rights, to protect my liberties and to protect my property are unalienable rights not subject to legislative whims.
ATM, and always remember THE ONLY ROLE of Govt. is to PROTECT THOSE RIGHTS that you are born with!
james cole - you are an idiot...! if 500,000 gun owners engaged the us military, what would the outcome be? do you think all shit would take place. if 50 men in 50 cities attacked the police on the same day or same week, obama would declare martial law. 'winning' is a fucked up concept. no one is winning in syria. the whole place is a shit hole.
the ultimate winners are the people left alive when the fighting stops. the military and the revolutionaries will both be killed off eventually.
I agree. No compromise. Most of the bill of rights, including guns, has already been compromised away. I give no ground in this debate whatsoever. My rights are not up for debate.
The argument against mental health exclusions for gun ownership is but another wedge being driven into the heart of society. What we face is an aggressive and continual assault upon our freedoms, and each step in their loss is based on perfectly rational, reasonable premises. We know that these instances of mass shootings are based upon mental issues.....yet we also understand to give the state the ability to discern "mental health" evaluations creates a huge hole in our already weakened and riddled constitutional rights.
Each step of the way is a reasonable one, and we all understand to live in a society of significant numbers, some accommodation will need to be made. But...WE are under attack, and have been for decades if not longer. Our primary battle is one of our legally bound "voluntary" surrender of the freedom of choice. What we say. What we buy. Where we live. What we breath, consume, enjoy. Each of these is couched in reasonableness, regarding our own welfare or that of others. Now we find however that EVERYTHING we do or even think has impact on others, either by direct action (primarily through the injury of feelings by slight or insult or "micro aggression") or because our choices have potential financial impact on others, typically to the " collective", which is why we now find ourselves forced to buy insurance. You see, everything makes sense when it requests others to sacrifice for YOU. Not so much when it is the other way around. Which is why they must keep up the pressure, the intimidation and indoctrination to CONVINCE us that it is our responsibility to sacrifice our small, meaningless and inconsequential liberties for the greater good.
So be a good citizen, and make the first step to question your own sanity, question exactly WHY you feel the need to be armed when a warm, insulating....almost suffocating government is working so hard for your happiness and security.
What, you don't trust them? Then you sir/madam are certifiably insane. Feel the warm embrace!!!
The whole "mental health" arguement is a red herring.
What really needs to be looked at is the medication.
The FDA is in the pocket of big pharma and allows drugs into society that increase, mutate and downright create psychotic episodes.
Any plans to stop them? Or is it better for corporate profit margins to blame the people who are taking the medication?
Adverse reactions to drugs is the sixth leading cause of death in the US--and that's only properly animated drugs.
Freedom is a bitch as we can see. Freedom means we are all free until we do criminal shit. All this gun control bullshit is all Pre-crime talk. You cannot be guilty of murder until you do it, so how can I lose my right because somebody else commited a crime. To stop me potentially? Well that kinda steps on the throat of freedom, doesn't it?
To all the gun control advocates, once you get all the guns, whats next. Murders don't stop. They just happen another way. Read this:http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronlin...
Also, the government does not give me the right to own a weapon. This comes from the Right of Self Defense which comes from nature/God. And no Government can take this away. People need to stop thinking of our rights as given. They are yours, you were born with them no governemnt gifted them to you.
Stand up, say NOT ANYMORE. I AM A FREE MAN AND I RULE MYSELF. And shoot the first person who says they are from the government.
Wait til everyone buying pot is identified and disallowed. ..
If firearms are controlled to where the public can't own one will we next be talking about banning fertilizer and diesel fuel and the routine of hundreds dead in another blast?
It must be at least ten years since I first warned a friend of mine who has a concealed carry permit to be very careful when answering some of the newly standard questions ( any thoughts of suicide? any recurring bad dreams? anxiety?) at the VA Medical Centers. I was, and still am, sure that eventually many permits will be rejected based on the records of those answers.
J
It's even worse here in NY.
I don't trust the VA, period, and the mental health stuff does spook me. You're exavtly right on this one, they woouldn't bat an eye regarding the sharing of personal information with LE and the courts systems in this country.
Private mental health organizations are now required to share information with the NY State Police, who then share it with LE orgs across the state. I was pulled over for something really dumb a while back, I think it was for window tint. State trooper made some comment about me having been in the Marines. I don't have any decals on my car referencing my military service.
After talking with a few LE people I know, and my attorney, they confirmed that NY has an extensive database regarding personal info, and it's linked through the DMV. So when people are pulled over, or they run your driver's license or photo ID, up pops a searchable file with all kinds of personal info at their fingertips.
Food for thought. Yet the sheeple think that us conspiracy types are just babbling nutjobs.
According to the most recent DSM, every Fucking thing you do is some sign of mental disorder.
When I was in college for psychology back in 1995, I saw this coming. Only it happened a full 10 years sooner than I thought it would.
Yup, which is a travesty for people with real disorders. Yes, there are people who hear voices in their heads, and those voices seem more real to them than us, but being hyperactive as a child is generally just a PITA, not a disorder. Unless you're a control freak.
"government run health care"
run by big pharma.
Billy the Dunce, Govt run health care? What a laugh! The health insurance cabal anf big Pharmy run your fucking health care! The govt. is just there to take its cut and to pass legislation to make it all official. Only the private sector in its unregulated and unfettered greed could screw up health care so bad. Any govt could provide health care at lower costs to the public with better outcomes with its eyes shut....Americans have shitty health care that is extremely over priced for what you get because of crony capitalism.... dipshit
An armed society is a polite society
On the other hand, an unarmed government is a polite government.
I suddenly see where we've gone wrong.
LOL, you're commenting on a website run by a fictitious character who displays obvious signs of multiple personality disorder.
Of course we'll all be declared mentally unstable only to be ruled by those with the power backed up by guns in hand.
Of course we'll all be declared mentally unstable.
I hear that loud and CLEAR! It is now so ingrained into people to run to the Dr for any and all ailments that when I tell people I don't have a doctor they look at me like I just grew another head. Try as I might i bust my hump to "learnem" that the dr only wants to cut and prescribe poison. The neighbor finally "got it" 68 yo woman that believed walter cronkite, after they fvkin damn near killed her. Finally, after a case of bleeding lungs, she has come around and said she is finished with drs. (Her brother is one,)
Food is medicine - Confusious say.
Many Ailments come from poor diet.
Thank god Monsanto is looking after us.........
from my GFs healthcare:
"You cannot include in medical expenses the cost of nutritional supplements, vitamins, herbal supplements, "natural medicines," etc. unless they are recommended by a medical practitioner as treatment for a specific medical condition diagnosed by a physician. Otherwise, these items are take to maintain your ordinary good health, and are not for medical care"
-IRS Publication 969
the goal of our healthcare system is defined in the bolded statement above.
I thought medical care was for your good health, no?
I must be confused.
Soviet union
Gun control for the mentally ill! And if Obama classifies everyone is mentally ill, then there will be total gun control! Brilliant!
Dear Leader has a pen and a phone...
I would not be surprised to learn that guns manufactured and sold after the Patriot Act have, embedded in the grip/stock, a secret electronic homing device that can be activated by the DHS.
It's called a cell phone.
So when is a compromise no longer a compromise but instead morphs into giving up all? We've compromised enough already on virtually all of our rights so fuck off to those who wish to take more.
Progressives understand "compromise" to mean they get all that they want and we capitulate.
Compromise, as in Obamacare as the first step towards single payer, government run healthcare. Compromise is not a static choice unrelated to others, like what we are doing for dinner. Compromise in politics and governance is simply a choice as to how fast or slow we move towards an ultimate goal.
Equality for races soon became affirmative action which soon found us with the formerly oppressed and still horribly discriminated people actually running most aspects of our local, state and federal government.
Equal rights for gays started out as simply ensuring that all people had equal rights regarding property and contracts, it then progressed to marriage, even though few if any has ever claimed to want such a thing. Now it is about forcing others to accept and serve them.
We compromised early on with taxation, only the very few at the very top (as who gives a fuck about rich people) and now see ourselves suffocated by them. social security is another great compromise, taxing only the lowest base pay at a meager 1%. Now look at it, and well on its way to bankruptcy. Of course it was "compromised" by dipping into those funds to pay for other great things such as we see today where it is used to support an ever growing constituency of the "disabled".
So by all means, lets vote for more politicians who's primary concern is " doing something" which always calls for compromise and crossing the isle and bipartisanship.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
its sad. No critical thinking, no independent thinking, no self-respect, no spine.
Its chicken and egg. Whos fault is it? The elite for taking control or the people for giving it up?
The 2nd Amendment confers no rights or priveleges. It only affirms what is our natural right to self-defense without Gov't permission or restrictions. Obola can go piss on a rope for all I care, but he will NOT take our weapons.
How about treating the gun controllers?
You are correct because they are all mentally unstable. Liberalism / Progressivism is a mental disease. Treatment is deportation or hanging.
Chicago continues to do their part.
Week in Progress (10/4 – 10/10)
Shot & Killed: 8
Shot & Wounded: 36
Total Shot: 44
Total Homicides: 8
http://heyjackass.com/
Los Angeles chipping in on the insanity too. 636 homicides in the past year. So over 1000 dead in two cities and we're focusing on random school shootings as a basis for "gun control"? Fairy tales indeed.
http://homicide.latimes.com/
Reminds to use new term PC (pindos correctly): tales of alternative-sexually oriented.
US moral strength foundation is multisubcultural diversionty.
All we need is a few more million statist immigrants a year, for another 50 years and we will have our Orwellian society. Diversity is strength.
those are "gang/drug related" homicides. Same a Chicago. Remeber, those arent human beings. We only care when nice law-abiding white folk get wasted (by another until-that-point, law-abiding white folk).
Gun control will bring the war. Let them try taking 200 million plus guns from angry Americans. I dare them lol, they'll get rained on.
You are only 100 million plus shy in your numbers. USA is packing 300+ million cans of heat. It would take decades to rid the populace of such fire power, leaving other more draconian measures such as biological warfare, nukes, starvation, etc. All in the planning stages I am sure.
The number of armed Americans is larger than all of the worlds army's combined. Think about that for a moment.....
Which is not really a great selling point, as many of them really are retarded.
Maybe not retarded, but a lot of them are not trained very well, or at all. (OK, I'm ex-Infantry), but some of them, maybe a scary large percentage (+10%) have never fired the gun they have in the bedroom nightstand drawer, or carry in their purse when they go to a store, or..;
They may be as dangerous to themselves as any exterior threat. So not only arms for those that wish them, but real range and tactical range training readily availale and affordable.
Fat chance in today's envioronment.
"The number of armed Americans is larger than all of the worlds army's combined. Think about that for a moment....."
And that was done by design. Think on that for a moment........
Holy crap! I agree with all the comments so far!
Gun control is part of NIRP and the cash ban plan. They take your gun away, allow the crime rate to spike and people will think twice about keeping their money under the mattress. Some will be happy to pay the bank a fee for keeping it safe for them.
South Africa and Venezuela here we come! I will never understand why people think they are a paradise........maybe we can ask Sean Penn.....the crime rates are so bad, the governments don't even bother keeping crime stats........one way to further avoid reality going forward.....
the last gun shop in san francisco just closed because of the onorous requirement to document every bullet they sold. people essentially have to register their bullets.
what i find interesting is the gun lobby has so far been very reluctant to connect ssri drugs with mass murder and suicide.
As soon as everyone is in the health care data banks is when the ssri and no guns goes into effect stripping away at least one in seven people's rights to self defense. And of course it will not be only if you are currently taking them, rather if you EVER took ANY.
The gun lobby is probably fearful that once we go down that road, government will decide who is mentally capable of owning a gun and who isn't.........it'll be based on a political questionnaire........for example, if you don't embrace the famous 97% world scientific consensus on Global Warming, no gun for you or anyone in your household!
I think the gun lobby is positioning itself to BACK stricter controls. (Did you notice all the public NRA-linked folks and talking heads are supporting new gun control measures?) They'll use "mental instability" (however it's defined) as a bone to toss to the anti-gun folks. The gun lobby (NRA) thinks this will appease the critics for some time.
Instead, we should look at the situation with no bias from politicians etc., and look at science, statistics, complex systems theory - and get some real brains to engage in a much wider discussion of the situation. For example, counselors are pushing people with severe psych problems into the community college system (as though that's good for them to be there). Prisoner counselors are doing the same thing. In addition, every president in modern history has pushed for more comm college funding in his SOTU - including Obama. We suggest that comm colllege (and college in general) is a silver bullet for everyone. Result is: classrooms filled with kids and adults who want to learn and get ahead, schizophrenics who "hear voices", convicted murders, meth addicts, etc.
This approach is already wreaking havoc.
Check out this photo of a student, who killed his community college work-study supervisor with a shotgun. (The student has been booted off of work-study for poor attendance.)
http://pthumbnails.5min.com/10375335/518766720_c_embedStandard.jpg
Not to mention there are just obvious negligent actions that UCC took: making sure no security guards had guns, oh, making sure there was only ONE guard, making sure classrooms had no alternate exit. (Architecture, planning, risk management, etc - all need to be considered by the school in the context of security.)
In sum - one of the problems is dumbed-down media MISIDENTIFIES the problem to be solved, and politicians unthinkingly glom on.
There was some talk early on about that from those quarters, but they've dropped it. Sounds like someone had a sit down and a backroom deal was made.
Corruption in Big Activism? Say it ain't so.
Once you create a catagory that cannot have guns and you have the authority by force to classify anyone you want in that catagory then you can take guns away from anyone you want... or was that just too obvious.
I am thinking that anyone who thinks it is patriotic to go to some other country and murder someone else in the name of freedom, or even in the name of greed, has to be mentally unstable and should have their guns taken away.
That's the first time I have understood what bits of Bamo Ramirez is drawing .........
Nothing like fucking psychopaths determining who is and who is not mentally unstable.......
You mean like The HildeBeast?
The politicians' masters and their "psychiatrists".
Better call them "government" nowadays.
Been heaaring and reading about gun control since I was 5 years old, a very long time ago. I was once influenced by the liberal youth culture, which advocated banning all guns. I grew up a hunter so I never went along with a ban, but gun control I was supporting. Life experience teaches that gun control is a joke, it takes guns away from the honest person, and the criminal will be armed to the teeth. Criminals keep their hands off of people they fear may be armed. That is why criminals almost don't exist out here in my samll town and rural area. Every one of us has guns, guns of every sort. To break into a house is suicide, to confront someone to car jack them is suicide. To mug a person is suicide, even if you get away with it, the gun owner will return looking for you.
Guns prevent crime. Or at least they do here.
They do almost everywhere ... Gun Control cities are death traps, ala Chicago, Baltimore, DC
Yes Jack, that's the way it is in small town America. It gets more complicated in depressed urban areas. I lived in crime ridden Oakland for some time, and there is no shortage of guns there, despite what Gertrude Stein said.
Yep, no shortage of ILLEGAL guns. Prohibition revisited.
Yep. I've gone rural now. Tiny town has only 2 police cars.
Often at night there are no cars out. So you're on your own. Self-reliance is needed to thrive in rural America. (Not to mention if you live in a frozen rural area, you need to be prepared for breaking down, otherwise you could die in sub-zero temps.)
It's sad (and chilling) to see self-reliance elsewhere undermined often by government's 'good intentions'.
Anyone who proudly states that one is good at murdering people by droning them is quintessentially mentally unstable.
Obama was humbled & embarrassed in Oregon on friday. The Roseburg survivors & families gave him an earful regarding the stupidity of "gun-free zones" and offered no interest in his hypocritical gun control agenda. He probably hoped for a photo op & some gun control momentum... but he got nothing that he could spin/use.
Putin last week and Roseburg this week... it's obvious that BO loathes interaction with those who disagree with him. He becomes defensive & petulant at even the slightest challenge/disagreement. It's no wonder that Congress (both parties) gave up on him years ago given his inability to compromise and childish/immature reactions/behavior.
And the fact that BO's visit comes in the middle of a west coast fund-raising trip didn't go over well, either. The cost of these partisan fund-raising trips is carried by US taxpayers, which makes for awkward optics/context, especially in areas that are hostile to progressive politics, like rural Oregon. And high-tech military aircraft landing @ Eugene in support of his little visit doesn't thrill his base there, either... so the whole thing was a lose/lose for him. BO has the dumbest advosrs in US presidential history.
Did BO mention that the Oregon shooting was an act of Christian persecution? What do you suppose he would have said if the shooter had only shot Muslims in the head and everyone else in the leg?
Why doesn't he (or someone else) have a big summit on Chicago gang-related shootings? Scores of people are dying. It's a far bigger problem than Oregon. It's become routine: hearing about the little 6-year-old girl or gramdma killed by a stray bullet. Are those people not important?
All of those shootings are commited by mentally healthy individuals.
Reason he doesn't talk about it is, he hasn't a clue what do do about it. Oregon is something he can make a show of doing something about.
Politicians chase the TV camera lens.
(On another note, it's ironic to see the Commander-in-Chief's forces bombed a hospital, which resulted in far more casualties than Oregon.)
Australia had a gun culture similar to the US. The Australian people let their government get away with confiscating their guns. The US governmant is now using the same tactics that were successful in Australia. Mass shootings in schools, churches and movie theaters by loners on psychotropic drugs.
Any real aussies on the board here that could provide some firsthand insight regarding the success/failure of Australia's ongoing gun control efforts?
The overwhelming perception (among those around me anyways) in the US is that prohibition/gun control here would be 1) impossible, kinda like the idea of deporting 20+ million illegals, and 2) doomed/counter-productive in the same way drug/alcohol prohibition failed miserably and encouraged massive/dangerous underground markets.
I would like to see the stats on terrorist activity since the enactment of gun control in Aussieland.
While I'm no Aussie, thought about immigrating there in the early nineties, and traveled everywhere except Darwin and Perth. At the time, they already had rigorous gun control laws in most of the states that didn't seem to be dissuading the mass shootings occurring primarily around Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane. Even Tasmania had firearm licensing and registration requirements long before the Port Arthur shootings. Australian economy was a mess at the time; nadir of the commodity cycle and the Japanese had abruptly stopped buying property along the Gold Coast after their own bubble popped. After the National Firearms Agreement, home invasion style crimes rose drastically; not sure if there is a legal duty to retreat or other limits on use of force in defence of property which may have impacted this statistic. Annual homicide incidents down 72 , assaults up 62000+, sexual assaults up 5000+, kidnappings up 252...
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/assault.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/sexual%20assault.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html
I'm Australian. Australia never had a gun culture like the US (and I don't say that critically) because there never was any Australian constitutional right to firearms (and remember the Australian constitution came into force only in 1901 and did not involve any forcible breaking away from Britain).
Australia, despite its physical size, has a very urban population. Firearms were common among country people, and still are, less so among the urban population. They tend to be rifles and shotguns rather than hand guns.
It is still legal to own guns, providing you get a shooter's licence, which generally requires either rural property reasons (shooting pests) or being part of a gun club, or a job such as security. Gun clubs include large numbers of urban people.
Firearms restrictions have not prevented muslim murderers getting their hands on unlicenced guns and using them in terrorist shootings, nor has it stopped shootings by criminals associated with gangs. Nor of course has it stopped murders with knives and other implements.
It is not demonstrable that our gun laws have done anything to actually make Australia safer and the import of muslims organised by our politicians has certainly made it less safe.
Methink the USG meddles too much in people's lives.
When it became acceptable to remove privileges (as our rights seem to the slavemasters) from people sent to prison, it was only a matter of time until that elitist practice was inflicted on the rest of us. After getting out of prison, you lose citizenship. You also lose your Bill of Rights protections, as the "government" sees it.
The slaveowners do not respect negative rights, because they see themselves as in control of all the lower classes. They will dole out their positive rights for good slaves, and remove the citizenship of bad slaves. This latest assault on birthright citizenship is an example of this feature creep.
Aristocracy is a cancer on America. It is every American's duty to dispossess this slaveowner class and smash their system of control into a thousand useless shards.
Ban Bolsheviks. That will solve everything. There's a fixation on Mars now. Let's send them there.
ROTFLMFAO. You are crazy as fuck. An insane population, heavily armed, and fighting over the whatever is in front of you.
Very entertaining but you guys were always good at that. Oh the kids are coming over, lets make sure the knives are sharp and laying around in case they need them. ;)
Enjoy your slavery.
Well we call it basic industrial safety. YMMV.
Oh look a mentally insane dumb fuck...
Yes, I see you. ;)
You can't arrest a 1/4 of an entire city if they fight back. Especially if they have guns.
But it's nice to know you'll go easily. Most Gun Control advocates would go easily b/c the idea of physically fighting back frightens the crap out of them. I bet most of Stalin and Hitler's victims supported 'common-sense' gun control.
How much do you want to bet?
Oh look the new revolution, not quite like the last one.
Batshit crazy, comes to mind.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Remove all Obama's secret service detail. Watch how quickly he becomes mentally challenged.
The Libs keep chirping that the 2nd amendment only guarantees citizens in a well regulated militia. Waiting for the NRA to form well regulated militias in every state. Thinking that would scare the crap out of the libs and .gov. The last thing any of those groups want to see is organized, armed citizens.
They call you a terror groups, thats what they do if you try to form a well regulated militia.
So if they take my guns because I am "metally unstable", does that mean I am not responsible for my actions anymore after that?
After all, I was mentally unstable, right?
At that point, yes, go nutz enjoy.
The cunts created these mentally ill individuals by drugging them as children, now little Johnny is all grown up and shooting up schools , do you see the pattern?
Adam Peter Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, stole the Bushmaster XM15-E2S and Glock 20SF guns used in the assault
just too many guns available everywhere (gun heaven for assault hell)
more verbal diarrhea and cognitive constipation following each attack to be repeated ad nauseam
live with it or do something about it, just don't moan in the same manner after every single attack
Ever notice how many politicians seem to be narcissistic underachievers? It's like a club.
One characteristic of narcissists is they engage in projection and put others around them "on the couch" (so to speak). They create "identified patients."
Now if you combine narcissism with aristocracy, we have aristocratic narcissists who the use administrative law (as an extension of their 'aristocratic' tendencies) to run roughshod over rights.
One of the chief means that the 'aristocracy' uses to run roughshod over rights is administrative law. I recommend the excellent book: "Is Administrative Law Unlawful" by Columbia law professor Philip Hamburger.
The cover and title look boring, but don't let that fool you. http://www.amazon.com/Administrative-Law-Unlawful-Philip-Hamburger-ebook...
Veeeeery true. Hitting the nail on the head.
I think they are primarily after the veterans again. These people know that many of our vets are capable and more than willing to defend their countrymen from the big terrorism.
When the Secret Service gives up its guns, then you can lecture Mr. President