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Moscow Demands Britain Explain "Green Light To Shoot Down Russian Jets"

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The chances of escalation from a proxy war to outright war just went to 11 on the Spinal Tap amplifier of sabre-rattling. A day after British and NATO pilots were reportedly given the green light to take drastic action against Russian fighter jets if they come under threat during missions over Iraq, Interfax reports that the Russian Defense Ministry has demanded clarification. Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets.

The Chinese, it appears, are wholeheartedly behind Putin's efforts, judging by the following puff-piece from Xinhua (unofficially China's government mouthpiece)...

Russia's recent military intervention in the Syrian war in the form of airstrikes and missile attacks aimed both at supporting the government of President Bashar Al-Assad in combatting the Islamic State (IS) has reaped initial gains.

 

Russia's bombing campaign in Syria, which began on Sept. 30, has strengthened the Syrian government, laying the foundation for a dialogue with all countries concerned to come up with solutions that could drag Syria out of the internal conflict that has lasted for more than four years.

 

According to Russia Today, Russia started its bombing campaign in Syria with a goal to provide air support to the government troops in fighting various terrorist groups, primarily the IS.

 

Russian air strikes hit 55 Islamic State group targets in Syria in the past 24 hours, the defense ministry said Saturday, as Moscow ramped up its military campaign in the war-torn country.

 

Russia's air force has attacked a total of 112 targets since the start of the military actions.

 

On Thursday, Syrian government troops launched large-scale ground offensives under the cover of Russia's repeated air strikes. At the same time, Russia launched 26 cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea and destroyed 11 IS targets.

 

Syrian political analyst Osama Dannura said Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict has upset the initial planning of Western powers that have their minds bent on toppling the Assad government.

 

The West's strategic shortcomings were demonstrated by the disastrous 500 million-U.S.-dollar program to train and arm moderate rebels, which generated only a handful of fighters, many of whom surrendered or were captured almost immediately. The scheme was finally scrapped on Friday.

 

The reason why the U.S.-coalition has failed to deal a blow to the IS, according to Syrian political analyst Maher Ihsan, is a lack of offensives by ground troops. Besides, while attacking the IS, the United States is also offering the opposition rebels assistance including weapons, most of which end up into the hands of IS fighters.

 

In an interview with Iranian television broadcast on Sunday, al-Assad said a campaign of Western and Arab airstrikes against IS targets in Iraq and Syria has been counterproductive and terrorism has spread in terms of both territory and new recruits.

 

Around 40 percent of the IS infrastructure in Syria has been destroyed in just one week, Syria's Ambassador to Russia Riad Haddad said on Wednesday.

But the huge escalation in British and NATO rhetoric towards Russia - green-lighting direct conflict - has made the situation dramatically more dangerous...

British and Nato pilots have been told to take the drastic action if they are fired on by Vladimir Putin's air force during missions over Iraq.

 

The move comes after British ministers warned Russia had made the situation in the Middle East "much more dangerous".

 

Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets.

 

One source said: "We need to protect our pilots but at the same time we're taking a step closer to war. It will only take one plane to be shot down in an air-to-air battle and the whole landscape will change. "

 

RAF pilots have been told to avoid contact with Russian jets at all costs and both US and British mission control teams will do their best to keep them apart.

 

But the pilots have been warned they must be prepared to fire on Russian jets if their lives depend on it.

 

One source said: "No one knows what the Russians will do next. We do not know how they will respond if they come into contact with a Western jet.

 

"When planes are flying at supersonic speeds the airspace gets crowded very quickly. There could be a collision or a Russian pilot might be mistakenly shot down. "

And then, as Reuters reports,

Russia has asked the British defense attache in Moscow to clarify media reports that British pilots had been given permission to attack Russian jets if they are fired on whilst flying sorties over Iraq, Interfax news agency reported on Sunday.

 

The British attache said he would submit an official response in the near future, RIA news agency reported.

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One wonders just how far US, NATO "leadership" are willing to go to 'expose' Putin's evil intent? Especially in light of China's official mouthpiece (Xinhua News) reporting the following...

"The Russians have shown a naval capacity that was not expected," said Thomas Gomart, head of the French Institute for Foreign Relations, adding that Russia is "challenging the West's aerial supremacy."

 

Moscow offered on Tuesday to resume talks with Washington to avoid any misunderstanding concerning its airstrike operation, as well as to discuss ways to avoid conflicts between the United States and Russian warplanes over Syria.

 

Washington also said on Saturday that it would resume talks with Moscow to avoid accidents in the skies over the war-torn country.

 

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Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:05 | 6655602 Chris Dakota
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The West has gone mad, this won't end pretty.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:08 | 6655608 junction
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Not the West, just the slaves of Saudi Arabia: Obama, Cameron, the Bushes and the Clintons.  And, of course, John Brennan.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:18 | 6655650 l8apex
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junction - that's pretty much the same thing, just add Beirut to your list and you're set.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:27 | 6655662 Pinto Currency
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London has a serious probem in that their paper gold LBMA has blown-up:

http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/LBMAGoldStocks.php

Change the story.  Blame gold and bond market chaos on the Russians.

Hackneyed, but historically reliable, tactic.

http://www.safehaven.com/article/36534/lbma-data-points-to-gold-and-silver-default

 

The LBMA as the global Kuwait Camel Market ("Souk al-Manakh"):

http://www.safehaven.com/article/36659/greshams-law-predicts-the-lbmas-end

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:30 | 6655704 COSMOS
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LOL gotta love that quote " the move comes after the Russians have made the situation in the ME much more dangerous "  Like NATO arming and funding the wahhabi movement the past few decades and blowing up countries on their own or with their al queda and ISIS buddies is just a SAFE walk in the PARK. FU Cameron and FU NATO you bunch of FUing WAR CRIMINALS

This is no surprise they have had the GREEN LIGHT to shoot at wedding parties and kindergardens for the past few decades.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:17 | 6655833 WordSmith2013
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Here's why the BRITs have gone batsheet crazy ...

Putin Goes Ballistics In Syria, Obliterates The USA’s Secret ‘Mideast Strategy’

 

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=23524

 

Putin’s Russia Blows Up Scheme For ‘Greater Israel’
Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:27 | 6655855 Arnold
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More systems testing.

The former Soviet is going over their relatively high rate of cruise missile fails.

Expect dog fights to really wring out this air superiority business.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjjHDGWm4Q

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1ebgjh/were_there_any_ai...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:40 | 6655865 strannick
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Britain continues to show its willingness and eagerness to support imperial oppression, from the time of medieval Ireland to modern Syria. Recall ZHs map of the handful of countries NOT invaded by Britain.

A perenial,  millenial scourge to the rest of the world, on behalf of elites, run by a Queen. A unique and exceptional history of national evil in the world.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:57 | 6655929 Muddy1
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These are the rules of engagement for British pilots.  Wanna bet US pilots were told to stand down and not engage?  Translation: be gutless like their CiC.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:59 | 6655934 strannick
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This is politics, Britain being Americas lapdog bitch hand-up-the-ass mouthpiece as usual.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:19 | 6655989 random999
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Its not the west thats gone mad.

Politicians and banksters have.
The worse they behave, the faster (I hope) people will wake up and finally hang them by their neck.

In my country the so called racist party that it was politically forbidden to vote for has in a few years grown to grab every 4th vote in our country. The politicians still treat them as if they're the scum of the earth.

May they be punished by more than just losing their jobs in future.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:35 | 6656036 Fish Gone Bad
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And then Stingers broke out...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:15 | 6656129 Ayreos
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Wow, this episode looks like some dangerous posturing from the UK, but is instead a clear example of incompetence! No wonder their media picked it up and flared it up. I expect the "official statement" to be considerably different. Dear lord. If the british write "Fire if fired upon", the russians will read "Expect to be fired upon, so fire first." And rightfully so!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 18:10 | 6656235 Save_America1st
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Hopefully most of GB's and America's pilots are smart enough not to follow any orders to shoot at Russian jets.  Just as I hope they men enough never to accept orders to shoot at or bomb American citizens WHEN no if these corrupt, treasonous, scumbags in D.C. eventually give the order in the not too far off future.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 18:22 | 6656257 turtle
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And let's not forget Israel just next door with their history of false flags... U.S.S. Liberty anyone? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 21:38 | 6656861 cookie nookie
Mon, 10/12/2015 - 00:34 | 6657260 Proofreder
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NOT a Queen - more like this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR6wKRWFOoE

Is Transilvania part of Russia now ???   Hmmmm

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 05:30 | 6657533 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy. http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
Mon, 10/12/2015 - 05:51 | 6657553 Nobody Important
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Don't give a shit about "Biblical" prophecies, but sure hope your right about Obama!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 19:40 | 6656517 monk27
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The Russians should remind the Brits to be careful what they wish for...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 21:12 | 6656807 kaa1016
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What they said was to fire at Russian jets if fired upon. This is a non story. What the fuck are they supposed to do if shot at? If someone shoots at you, you shoot back. It's called the rules of engagement.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 22:47 | 6657055 IndyPat
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They are supposed to get their Limey asses out of Syria. Russia was invited. NATO wasn't.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 00:07 | 6657209 RaceToTheBottom
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I agree, total non story.

It is just positioning to have the Russians appear bad if/when any shooting starts.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 03:35 | 6657457 SilverRhino
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Like this shooting? 

Russian jet 'shot down by Turkish forces after planes violated country's airspace on Syrian bombing run' 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish...  

 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 07:58 | 6657676 HowdyDoody
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Ah, one of Russia's infamous invisible Mig-29s that cannot be seen taking off and landing at Latakia. Just like the millions of invisible Russian tanks and soldiers that have invaded Ukraine. We can't see them. We can't hear them. We ca't shoot at them. But we know they are there.

Boooga, boooga, boooga.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 09:00 | 6657869 RaceToTheBottom
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I don't believe that is covered by this "rule of engagement clarification".  

Broaching a sovereign's airspace by a war region is already grounds for shooting down.  

 

As is shooting back "When fired upon".  These are all non news items.  If Russia needs clarification, they might just be clarifying what it means to fire upon....

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:58 | 6657605 eforce
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The Russian jets are flying around with IR missiles so chances are a Western plane wouldn't see it coming.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 08:01 | 6657681 HowdyDoody
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BS. They are doing ground attack sorties. There is no ISIS air force to attack them so why waste payload carrying weapons that have no use?

 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:29 | 6661236 eforce
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Go watch the videos of Russian aircraft in Syria, you'll see they are carrying R-73's and R-27's.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 11:58 | 6658617 BarkingCat
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As someone who has served in the army I can tell you that vast majority of those in the army are dumber than shit. The percentage is even higher in the marines. 

They will follow their orders.

I cannot speak for the airforce or the navy.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:20 | 6655992 shovelhead
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A political calculation.

It's a bit too obvious that Obama's on the ropes and flailing about, so the good lapdog Britain is barking and threatening to jump in the ring to bite Putin's leg.

This is one dumb dog. Putin's got more kick than that dog has bite.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:59 | 6655935 strannick
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Mon, 10/12/2015 - 05:48 | 6657547 Ofelas
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ever heard of the S300 and S400, they are on the ground therefore picking a fight is not a good idea

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 08:08 | 6657698 chubbar
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OH FFS, ISIS doesn't have any fighter planes flying around, there is no reason to think that a Russian pilot is going to mistake a NATO/US/British fighter for ISIS. They aren't going to shoot at them.

This is more grandstanding by NATO because Putin is eating their lunch over Syria. The US/NATO should just admit that they are there to overthrow a sovereign government that Russia has vowed to protect and be done with it. Fucking retards.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:37 | 6656161 Bring the Gold
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Yep Britain is the all time most genocidal and invasion-y country ever. Funny how that's constantly glossed over in all English speaking history books. No mention of the Victorian genocide, let alone the endless invasions. When I brought it up to my then fiancee's mother she claimed British Imperialism was an innocent quest for "Treasure and Adventure". I sat their gape mouthed with no response to that level of idiocy. This woman had a University education and was supposedly "liberal and progressive and anti-war". Unbelievable.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:40 | 6656165 Bring the Gold
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Aw did I offend a Brit? Sorry you guys have killed soooooo much more than Ze Germans. I would have thought you'd be proud to be number one at genocide and invasion. :(

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 19:42 | 6656523 monk27
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The Brits are also among the most incompetent people on this planet. That's why they lionize a character like 007...:)

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 19:15 | 6656322 Killdo
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they have so muany skelletons in the closet to hide, no wonder the Brts are the most depressed people I have ever seen (I lived there for 13 years). Fundamentally turned against each other,materialistic, obsessed with status, they even use their accents as a status symbol. Above all always collectivelly licking ass to any perceived world power. 

Their famous snobbery is just a cover for insecurity - that took me years to figure out. They just don't know how to deal with each other

They also watch more TV (and believe it) than any other nation I have ever seen. I remember for years  trying to figure out why they never rinse dishes (they only soap them up and leave to drain - it always shocks us foreigners). The only explanation I ever got was that they saw it done on TV

here is a great article that explains the UK quite well:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/09/boarding-schools-bad-le...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 02:09 | 6657393 farmboy
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Thanks for the informative link. I have lived there for a year but indeed it is a class society but could not believe it in first instance.

I love their traditions and was in the lucky position to laugh in the face of all these stiff upperlips. Ridicolous society.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:42 | 6657591 eforce
Mon, 10/12/2015 - 10:47 | 6658308 Killdo
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I used to think whatever makes them happy - than after about a decade I realized they are actually quite unhappy. 

I have to stay I enjoyed studying there (I did 3 degrees there) although the degreein Economics was crap  - all about Friedman and ther bankster mafia ideology. It tooke me abut a decade to unlearn the damage

I do have a few friends there that I love and woudl do anything for

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:45 | 6657594 eforce
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We banned slavery and most of the countries we left behind are some were somewhat successful, but we could have done it a bit cleaner though...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:39 | 6656162 Bring the Gold
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Sorry for double post.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:35 | 6655866 strannick
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Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:35 | 6657581 RevIdahoSpud3
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Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:58 | 6657583 RevIdahoSpud3
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Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:34 | 6655856 strannick
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Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:36 | 6655869 TBT or not TBT
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The US strategy isn't so much "secret" as it is a confused mashup of ValJar/Obama leftist tropes translated ad hoc into uncoordinated activities whose only perceivable common thread is anti-western anti-american effects.  

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:25 | 6656012 shovelhead
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Obama's foreign policy moves are like watching a cereberal palsy victim dancing the Watusi.

It's not pretty and you just want to make it stop.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 01:06 | 6657313 anti-republocrat
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Thanks for the link.  An interesting article, but I have to disagree with the following:

In order to prove to the world community of nations that the USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and Israel, in particular, were only playing an extremely dangerous and deadly game, Putin had to give them all (the Anglo-American Axis nations) some rope.

I don't believe Putin was trying to give the AAA enough rope to hang themselves, or any other far-sighted strategy.  Putin had to wait until the pressure on European leaders was too great for them to remain subservient to the US.  They weren't all that happy about the coup in Ukraine and sanctions that hurt them as much or more than Russia, but not unhappy enough to stand up to the US.  However, I believe they see the refugee crisis as an existential threat, if not to their nations and people, at least to their political control.  They desperately want to end the fighting in Syria before the situation gets any worse.  I believe Putin consulted with them on Assad before taking the actions he has recently taken.  I don't believe the rest of NATO will support US-UK or Turkish attacks on Russian aircraft, and I don't believe Obama and Cameron want to go it alone.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 12:10 | 6658673 BarkingCat
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I would buy that argument if it was not for the fact that Western European countries had no problem in standing up to the US in the past. Especially when George Bush was president. It is why he made the "Old Europe" statement.

The fact is that they did not like Bush because he was being America centric where Obama is a internationalist and that plays very well with them.

France has for many decades been the European power that was very independent from the US. With Obama in office they bend over and spread their cheeks far and wide.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:11 | 6655967 OzFan
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x2

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:48 | 6655973 Paveway IV
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It's worse than that, COSMOS. Any idiot could guess that Russian (or even Syrian) pilots would have no reason to fire on a ZATO Coalition of the Evil jets.

Because NATO is ONLY bombing ISIS, right? I mean, they wouldn't go so far as to simply destroy infrastructure (like they just did taking out the power station in Aleppo), or attacking Syrian or Hezbollah troop formations or armor directly (like they have in Quinetra). 

So IF NATO was doing what it said it was doing - only bombing ISIS - then it's stupid to think Russians would care at all or interfere. But if they catch U.S. (or French, or Dutch, or British jets) attacking a dam, oil or gas infrastructure or power stations, then they probably SHOULD shoot their ass down. IF they catch ZATO (and especially Israeli) jets attacking armor or troop formations of the Syrian army, Iranian troops, Hezbollah or Russian troops, then you can bet your ass the Russians WILL shoot down those jets. Of course it's a provocation - ZATO provoking Russia/Syria into action.

ZATO will counter any provocation by claiming innocence - "We weren't bombing an Aleppo power station, we were bombing some ISIS guys in a Hilux right next to it." ZATO would think nothing of sacrificing a few of its pilots for another lame-assed MH-17 PR war of righteousness. Americans are stupid - that's why it works.

The U.S. and ZATO have gone off the rails trying to recover from a fatal blow to their poorly-thought-out plan of using head-choppers help the FSA overthrow Assad. That's compounded by the fact that probably less than 10% of the opposition even claims to be FSA today (and fewer really are). Western MSM is still suggesting that the vast majority of the opposition is FSA, yet it's obvious to the entire rest of the world that this is patently false. They're either al Nusra, al Qaeda or rebel groups claiming to be moderate, but pledging allegiance to al Qaeda or al Nusra. And that's not counting ISIS - the other head-chopper mafia in town. 

The U.S. is still pushing the fantasy that 25,000 or so head-choppers (and a few FSA stragglers) will overthrow BOTH Assad and ISIS, and then wipe the dust off their palms and say, "OK. Mission accomplished. We'll be leaving now - see ya!" Then the U.S. and Israel can set up 'fair elections' in Syria for their approved candidates (just like they do in the U.S.)

In the mean time, Israel's commandeering of Kurdish Iraq is going most successfully. Reports are that Israel has been getting 75% of all of its oil from their crony Kurdish puppets at a discount. Keep in mind that Iraq - as a country - still refuses to sell oil to Israel, which they have every right to do under international law. Israel started bribing some corrupt Kurds and other Iraqi Kurd organizations years ago and the place is swarming with Mossad and CIA. So it looks like they couldn't wait for the illegal Blood-for-Oil pipeline to open - they are just continuing their end-around and stealing it through their bribed Kurdish contacts through their bribed Turkish pipeline contacts. In other words, whether Syria becomes an Israeli puppet or not isn't cruicial - as long as it's destroyed. What's importnat is that Israel is able to steal cheap oil from a country that is unwilling to sell the theiving bastards any.

And now, the 'normal' Iraqi Kurds are getting pissed. They resent that they're being used by Israel as a discount crude supplier and that nobody will properly arm them. They can't fight ISIS because all they have is some old junk armor and a couple of anti-aircraft Hiluxs. The average nobody Iraqi Kurd is thinking, "Why the fuck should we listen to the U.S. or Israel - those fuckers won't give US TOW-2As or anything decent to take out ISIS. All we get are rusty AK-47s." And now, the Iraqi Kurd civil servants and military aren't even getting paid - the corrupt Kurdish Israeli cronies are stealing all the oil revenue for themselves rather than paying Kurd government workers. Iraqi Kurds are starting to think, "Fuck Israel and the U.S. and their God-damn cronies ripping us off!" Of course, this is being managed by Kurdish Mossad/CIA handlers by having the so-called Kurdish government mow down protesters for now. THAT fucking ponzi is starting to come of the rails too.

This has been a bad couple of weeks for ZATO - they have to be really close to going full-retard at this point.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 19:51 | 6656555 Freddie
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So if Russia and Syria keep making progress and Russia helps Iraq more, which appears to be the case, who will dislodge these thieves stealing the Kurdish oil?  Will the Iraqi govt or will the Kurds get arms to throw these people out?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 21:22 | 6656806 Paveway IV
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The Iraq government doesn't want to stir up shit with the Iraqi Kurds. After years of the Kurds getting beat up and gassed by Assad, the Iraqi government has sort of resigned itself to a somewhat autonomous Kurdish Iraq. If the Iraqi government came in and tried to take the crooks out, the rest of the Iraqi Kurds would see that as a continuation of the decades of Iraqi aggression against them. The other Shia and Sunni Iraqis have no desire for another war with the Kurds. Both sides know that, and both sides know that Israel and the U.S. have exploited that fact (the desire to avoid more Kurdish-Iraqi conflict) to bribe the shit out of a few Iraqi Kurd oligarchs to build their own personal mafia in the place of what was suppose to be a Kurdish government. 

It's complicated because there's actually a few different oligarchs with different but overlapping interests that control the current Kurdish government - you'll recognize this as an often-used tribester tactic, Freddie. You can point to a few that have interests in controlling the peshmerga. Then theres ones that want a piece of the military budget - they want their cut of arms money or other aid supplied to the Kurds. Then there's the oil and gas oligarchs that only care how much money THEY personally make per barrel of oil and fuck the rest of the Kurds. Certain Kurd clans want their oligarchs to stay in power in some ministry role so their clan can continue to have influence in Kurdish affairs. Then there's the banksters and... well, you get the drift.  The Kurds are hesitant to just wood-chipper their whole government because it is finally functional after years of having none. It provides plenty of jobs and public services now AND a functional army via the peshmerga. It's kind of a symbol of independence to them, which is why it was targeted by Israel and the U.S. for corruption.

The average Kurd who just wants to be left the fuck alone and would like decent roads and maybe the garbage picked up, clean water and electricity. Like any captive group of peons, they are hesitant to mess with their government because - as corrupt as it is - it still kind of works for now. They probably don't like discount crude sold to the Israelis, but they can live with that for now as long as the proceeds fund public services. Well, now they don't - too much has been siphoned off.

So who does the average Kurd blame? Which oligarch? The oil guys that gave away Kurdish oil for pennies on the dollar? The Kurdish officials that were responsible for collecting the revenue for the government? The Kurdish oligarchs in the government that have been siponing it off for their individual schemes? The U.S.? Israel? And no matter how bad it gets, there will be certain clans of Kurds that will reject ANY attempt to reform the Kurdish government because they have their oligarch or benefactor somewhere in that government. On top of that, you have Mossad and the CIA running around keeping the right palms greased to ensure the scheme continues without disruption.

Add in that Mossaud Barzani, the Kurdish Regional President, is the biggest criminal and recipient of U.S. and Israeli bribes. Half of his family holds high government positions, so it's a family mob. His presidency ended in August, but he has yet to call elections (something about the Diebold contract, I guess...). So he's really no different than every other tin-pot dictator the U.S. has deposed in the Middle East over the years. 

Barzani and the other Kurd oligarch mafias WILL KILL as many Kurdish people as they need to in order to retain control they have established in the Kurdish Regional government. They are criminal psychopaths through and through and are backed by the U.S. and Israel no matter what. They don't have much of a Stazi yet, but I'm sure the U.S. and Israel will be happy to send in a few of their boys with sniper rifles to maintain order.

Then there's the peshmerga who don't suffer psychopaths too much. They have no problem turning on their own government and give it an AK enema, but they don't welcome the instability that will come and I think they figured out the futility of just rotating psychopaths - nothing gets fixed. They seem to be on the fence for now, which means the U.S. and Israel are probably scheming some kind of non-military change that will put acceptable replacement puppets/psychopaths in charge. Since civil servants haven't been paid in weeks or months, the whole government might just collapse. ISIS might just invite themselves in during the chaos, or maybe the U.S. will bring in troops to restore stability. Or maybe the Iraqis will make a move. Or maybe they will rig the elections, put Barzani back in charge, and fly out a few pallets of FRNs and tell him to pay the fucking civil servants and quit stealing so much. 

I can't even guess how this U.S. and Israeli-caused clownfuckery will end, but chances are the little people Kurds are fucked either way. When the U.S. shows up promoting their corrupt brand of psychopathic democracy, you are in for a whole new dimension of butt-hurt no matter what. The only ones that understood that clearly were the Japanese lined up for surrender on the beaches of Japan after WWII. "Just kill us now, McArthur - we are ready to die"

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 04:56 | 6657515 conscious being
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Paveway. You missfired. You said Kurds gassed by Assad. You meant Kurds gassed by Saddam. You know. I know. But, some could go away more confused than when they started. Typo, I know. Cheers.

"After years of the Kurds getting beat up and gassed by Assad, the Iraqi government..."

Edit - fascinating stuff. Maybe you ought to put up a blog or be a contributor so your posts can get the exposure they deserve.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 11:24 | 6658489 Paveway IV
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Right - Hussein, not Assad. I was watching CNN and lost a few brain cells this weekend.

My posts are nothing but a regurgitation of what I have read elsewhere - there's not an original thought in them, save for my bias on how a normal human being would think and act in that situation. That doesn't fit in to most people's simple, cartoonish version of this conflict, and I absolutely hate writing about this shit. It constantly reminds me just how bad psychopaths have shredded my constitution and wasted human lifes for their useless clownfuckery.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 08:11 | 6657705 HowdyDoody
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Excellent stuff. Thank god it hasn't been fully shifted to a ZH special - one word per line on the right margin.

Edit: Rusdian is reportedly working with the Kurds and vice-versa, so some good may come out of this for them too.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:37 | 6655733 researchfix
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Very British. Licence to kill.

But there is ... from Moscow with love.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:30 | 6655860 Arnold
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DEFCON 0.5?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 05:02 | 6657520 conscious being
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Who ever floated this threat, just made conflict more likely by increasing the tension in a space where pilots are making split-second decisions. Maybe that was the intent?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 19:43 | 6656530 monk27
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...Licence to kill.

That works in their movies, mostly...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 20:20 | 6656652 just the tip
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well if you want to go full fleming, they also have "the world is not enough".

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:11 | 6655969 researchfix
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Next one called on a bluff.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:11 | 6655971 researchfix
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Next one called on a bluff.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 20:25 | 6656674 Big_Hitman
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I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.wallstreet34.com

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 03:13 | 6657434 LastWhiteMonkey
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The elite views it all as a chess game with us plebs as the pawns AND pupet theatre with our 'elected' representatives the puppets. Untill WW3 really starts and everyone goes to hell.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 07:16 | 6657621 TweedleDeeDooDah
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How can this be blamed on "The West", when it's Russia doing the radar "lock-ons", knowing well that ISIS has no air force?

So tell NATO pilots to ignore their training and just get in the habit of "forgiving" or "ignoring" radar lock-on warnings? I think not.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 08:17 | 6657723 HowdyDoody
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Which part of Russia acting legally within Syria and NATO acting illegally do you not understand? NATO should join the anti-ISIS coalition and cease acting as ISIS' air force, or butt out. The days of NATO bombing anyone it likes with impunity are over.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:07 | 6655607 FreeShitter
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It means The London Rothschilds are geaing up for WWIII

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:26 | 6655691 Elliott Eldrich
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What if we all just quit playing their game, dancing to their tune, and sharing their values? What if everyone just decided to be happy with what they have, and to quit pulling their wagon, endlessly straining for a carrot that is eternally out of reach? What if all of the various mercenaries of the world masquerading as soldiers were to all decide that they were being asked way too much for way too little, and that their so-called "nations" are just a mean joke being played on the masses by oligarchs?

What if we all said enough is enough, and we just don't want to play this despicable game any longer?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:08 | 6656115 shovelhead
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You're welcome to join me any time you like.

You might not like it here in rural flyover country. The Chinese takeout isn't all that great so I had to learn to make my own.

Once you work a cash business and learn the tricks of the trade about not giving your income away, you'll find an odd sort of satisfaction take hold of your mind.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:05 | 6655806 lincolnsteffens
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This is part of the plan of the obsolescence of the sheeple class. The sheeple built the infrastructure, developed and built up manufacturing, technology, medicine, rapid travel, instant communication, etc. Now that all the capabilities desired including interplanetary travel are in place not so many sheeple are needed. Besides, sheeple eat too much and use too much of mother nature's resources fouling up the planet. Time to retire or kill off a big part of the obsolete herd.

Who of any REAL importance cares if there is a major war. The important people have underground dwellings with 10 years supplies and private military to protect them. When the time is right they will emerge to take over their allotted estates with what is left of the peasant class to perform distasteful labor.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:42 | 6656176 conscious being
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interplanetary travel? Meet the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 00:22 | 6657236 TheReplacement
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I do believe that if you were to leave orbit going directly north or south that you would miss the VRB (key word is belt, not bubble or some such that suggests complete enclosure).  Every depiction I've seen shows two belts of radiation that run around the equator but do not extend to the poles.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 06:31 | 6657570 conscious being
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Interesting idea. I thought dense particles rain down on the poles, giving us the Northern Lights. And if it was a solution, then maybe the magical Appolo crews would have tried it?

Northern Lights explained. Check out the graphic. The magnetic lines form the Van Allen Belt, a massive particle accelerator in the sky. Maybe you can escape via The South Pole, but I doubt it.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:43 | 6656179 EddieLomax
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To be fair, we (the British) are not the world power that can we once were, so in our defence, we just cannot be responsible for this cake and arse party currently going on in Syria.

Yes we do have many complete moron's in our parliament, often in high positions, but give them their due, even our parliament voted against bonbing Syria since our plan was clearly utterly disfunctional.  The US is the country calling the shots still, and unfortunately we, the British, are just following blindly along.  The US policy makes no sense either, for some reason the interests of Isreal and Saudia Arabia seem to lead it, but with the complete failure of any sort of policy goal I wonder now what the repercussions will be for the US relationship with those countries.

Hopefully the result of our complete failure will be some quality time getting to know Mr reality, I am extremely skeptical that we will seriously want to shoot down a Russian jet, but if we are going to try and get revenge I guess the place to watch for meddling is Ukraine, although I suspect the Ukrainians are not keen on heating their eastern war up, at least without massive imports of up to date weaponry.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:08 | 6655612 The Greek horse
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WW3 thanks UK USA and Israel = ISIS stands for IsraeliSecretIntelligentService 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:10 | 6655620 EuroPox
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The only thing left in the British military arsenal are administrators.  Nothing that will bother Vladimir.  Qa'moron is a complete fucking joke.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:12 | 6655627 adonisdemilo
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Who the fuck does Cameron think he is?
Tony Liar Blair?
Expect a false flag, somebody is going to die so that they can blame Russia.
I'm British but NOT proud to admit it since Tony Liar Blair teamed up with George, every Sunni's freind, Bush.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:18 | 6655838 HowdyDoody
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Cameron is Zion's biatch.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:43 | 6655895 CWolfRu
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He never faced with VDV. That's all what we need to know. And what you must too.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:12 | 6655628 Teh Finn
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British and Nato pilots have been told to take the drastic action if they are fired on by Vladimir Putin's air force during missions over Iraq.

O M G !  No way?  Way!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:19 | 6655652 Teh Finn
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So British pilots can't defend themselves from Rus agression?

Queer take on international law queeny...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:24 | 6655677 Teh Finn
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Apparently the orange queen has the reading comprehension skills of a toddler.  And the disposition of one in the terrible twos.

 

The End.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:00 | 6655738 The Greek horse
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OK Teh finn shit we get it you are a goverment troll or/and you have a hidden agenda!!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:05 | 6655803 kgw
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Tell me why my little arrow does not turn into a hand on just your down/up votes. . . .??? Excuse me, you were being downvoted in such rapid succession, the system was overloaded!!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:14 | 6655632 Wile-E-Coyote
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Well I wonder what actually happened for this to be announced. A Russian pilot probably put the wind up some RAF guys.

Russian pilot: "I can't shoot this son of a bitch, let's see if we can have a little fun with him”.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:19 | 6655651 fudge
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british air frames and pilots are outclassed ;)

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:27 | 6655682 Wile-E-Coyote
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I agree they can only fight stand off missions; fire missiles and run, they are not trained in dogfighting. The RAF got its ass kicked by Pakistani F16's every time, when dogfighting and that was with the RAF flying the Typhoon (Eurofighter).

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:34 | 6655725 fudge
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Poor Brits, they don't get any fun :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwJDPQWBQlI

I think you are correct, a Russian Pilot did have himself a little fun with a Brit pilot.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:39 | 6655735 Wile-E-Coyote
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Lol if an RAF pilot did that they would crucify him.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:00 | 6655793 fudge
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If you do not know the limits of your aircraft and yourself you are in trouble.

A little something if you have spare change :))  L-29 [L-39 MIG-29 or a legend MIG-15]

flights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wkqeJj7rjg

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:46 | 6655902 CWolfRu
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If it's safe for civillians? Sure! 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:32 | 6655863 phaedrus1952
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The Indian air force supposedly had a 100% success rate while flying Russian jets in simulated dogfights against American jets just a year or so back.

There are sketchy reports of a Russian jet being shot down in northern Syria. No confirmation/refutation at the moment.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:17 | 6655980 HowdyDoody
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"There are sketchy reports of a Russian jet being shot down in northern Syria."

The sketchy reports refer to a MiG 29. The Russians have no Mig 29s in Syria. That should satisfy your concerns.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:42 | 6656178 Max Steel
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not sketchy reports but oturight propaganda and lies just like they said 4 cruise missiles failed and failed to provide any proof meanwhile both Iran and Russia clearly said that no missile was found in Iran and all of them hit specific targets in Syria.

That Mig-29 shotdown is again lie fueled only by British media daily mail and telegraph. The thing is they did it withut providing any proof. jUST PULLING deluded stuff out of nowhere and writing it down in news, journalism 101. 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:15 | 6655638 David Wooten
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Perhaps Russia should tell the British the truth - that they are not a nation, just a colony controlled by the regime in Washington, DC.  Then they could close their embassy in London and kick the British out of their embasy in Moscow.  Maybe then Cameron will get the message and quit taking his marchng orders from Washington.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:23 | 6655846 viahj
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The Crown and The City Of London have an equal part in the global oliagarchy, they are not being bullied at all and are often at the heart of the machinations.  All elected officals are puppets so I give you that point.  Understand that London is still the central point of the gloablist bankster cartel and then you'll see what I'm talking about.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:19 | 6655987 HowdyDoody
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The City of London is a typical Zionist scam. It has a veto over laws passed by the real London city government. That veto is not reciprocal.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 18:21 | 6656252 Fractal Parasite
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The "City of London Corporation" (they're really called that!) administers the square mile of financial criminality and even has a dude called "The Remembrancer" whose job is to remind Parliament (in the "City of Westminster") who the masters are. The City of Westminster (Parliament) never acts in contradiction of the interests of the City of London (Bankers).

From the horse's mouth :

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/about-the-city/how-we-make-decisions/Page...
“The Remembrancer is one of the City's four Law Officers and the Office is responsible for the maintenance and protection of the City’s constitution. He is the City's Parliamentary Agent and the Parliamentary Agent for the Honourable the Irish Society, and the City’s Chief of Protocol. The Office was created in 1571. In its early years it was closely allied to the Monarch and the Court, and this is reflected in some of its functions today which include liaison between the City and the Royal Households. The Office acts as a channel of communication between Parliament and the City. In the contemporary context, this means day to day examination of Parliamentary business including examination of and briefing on proposed legislation and amendments to it, regular liaison with the Select Committees of both Houses and contact with officials in Government departments dealing with Parliamentary Bills. Liaison is also maintained with the City Office in Brussels and other Member States’ permanent representations in relation to draft EU legislation.”

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:21 | 6655997 BarkingCat
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Indeed. It was that child fucker fag Tony Blair that dragged the US into Yugoslavia.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:15 | 6655639 roadhazard
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I liked the headline news for The Star, Thursday edition, " SNATCHED FOR SEX AND CHOPPED WITH POWERSAW." ... with a Lolita photo. Hard hitting journalism.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:16 | 6655646 Omega_Man
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dumb british zion vassals

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:16 | 6655647 Duc888
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"Russia had made the situation in the Middle East "much more dangerous".

 

Now that's funny...

Like "we" USA and it's "allies" made things better and NOT dangerous by bombing and invading the fuck out of the mideast for the last 25 years.

Who writes this shit?  Really.  who actually believes this bullshit?

 


Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:30 | 6655709 Spiritof42
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who actually believes this bullshit?

My two brothers for sure. 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:02 | 6655798 Oldrepublic
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Vlad's extermination service is doing a good clean up job in Syria

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:50 | 6655915 CWolfRu
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Russian "opposition". Well, better if we'll don't talk about that... thing. It stinks too much as well.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:19 | 6655658 Dakota Kid
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Britain and NATO should take their jets back home where they belong and they won't need to worry about an armed conflict with the Russians over Iraq.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:20 | 6655661 Itch
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 "If anyone shoots at you, shoot back." Shocker, read all about it!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:44 | 6655748 Wile-E-Coyote
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Somehow I think if a Russian gets on your six you won't get the chance to shoot back.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:23 | 6656004 BarkingCat
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Depends on what the pilot did the night before. If he's been hitting the bottle then he will not be as sharp.

Russians might be able to drink like fish but they are still human and get hangovers.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:23 | 6656005 BarkingCat
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Depends on what the pilot did the night before. If he's been hitting the bottle then he will not be as sharp.

Russians might be able to drink like fish but they are still human and get hangovers.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:24 | 6655667 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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ISIS has no planes. Why would anyone engage any aircraft at all? There are all (supposedly) on the same side.

US, Russia, Israel, Iran, UK, Canada, Australia, France, Turkey and Syria all have planes up 'fighting' ISIS. The only problem would be planes attacking Syrian government positions, and we all know who would be at fault for that. (US, Israel, and Turkey)

With german boots on the ground and Iranian and Iraqi and Saudi intervention - who says it isn't already a world war?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:21 | 6655668 JerrySpringer B...
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Putin 1 step ahead once again:

 

 

Russia and Saudi Arabia have agreed to cooperate more closely in the fight against terrorism
Moscow. 11 October. INTERFAX.RU


-Russia and Saudi Arabia have agreed to intensify cooperation on military and security services to combat terrorism, said Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

"With my colleague and friend was instructed to continue close cooperation in the area of foreign political departments, to advance these understanding (settlement in Syria), making them more specific, like was requested to intensify efforts to combat terrorism, strengthen interoperability and in this field through our military and special services," Lavrov told reporters in Sochi.

Today's talks in Sochi Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defense Minister of Saudi Arabia, successor Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman Al Saud.

Tags: Russia, Saudi Arabia



http://www.interfax.ru/russia/472617

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:08 | 6655812 SpanishGoop
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Will SA stop funding the Syrian rebels  ?

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:37 | 6655874 HowdyDoody
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Putin to Saudis: Behave or the Iranians get some Kalibrs.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 20:49 | 6656756 Freddie
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Yeah I wish I knew what this all meant.  Was Russia going to heavily back Iran, Houthis, and Hezbollah? 

The Saudis are burning the candle at both ends and may go broke by overpumping and driving oil prices down.  In addition, their oil fields may be dying because they have been pumped continously for 60+ years.  They are getting beaten up badly in Yemen.

So do the Saudis cut off the money immediately?   Maybe ut was more window dressing and the Russians sent them another message.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:22 | 6655670 Questan1913
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Has everyone already forgotten the "sphere of negation" referred to by NATO head due to Russian state of the art air defense on the ground and nearby off the coast on its nay ships.  The "Moskva" is on duty again as it was in 2013 when its presecnce was a game changer.  Check Debkafile.  If the Russians decide that The UK's sabre rattling merits a response there are far more assets that can be moved into the area.  The take-away here is that the UK has been given the job of ramping up tensions, not Israel and not the US.  

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:23 | 6655673 Jack Oliver
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Rothschild's won't get their war - Putin and Xi are way too smart for that - 'Subdue your enemy WITHOUT fighting" - Sun Tzu - George Orwell never envisaged the internet - the historical lies have been well exposed now .

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:24 | 6655675 Nostradumbass
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Is it wrong for a US debt slave/subject to be rooting for Russia against the US and UK?

Not necessarily saying I am.

Just wondering...

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:01 | 6655946 pops
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No problem.  Don't pay any mind to that red dot on your mailbox.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:24 | 6655678 BarkingCat
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This is a non story really. Of course any pilot should fire back if fired upon.

The question is who is authorized to be flying military missions over Iraq.

If the Brits are authorized by Iraq to be there and the Russians fire on them and get smoked, then it is Russians own fault.

If the Brits are there because they are nothing but arrogant paedophile cock suckers who think they can do what they want and shoot down a Russian fighter, it matters not how fired first. The Brits are at fault.

 

Actually it would be a lot worse if they are both authorized and the Russians attack and destroy a Brit plane.

 

Iraq should really decide who they want there and stick to one force.... or someone in Russia or NATO should make the decision and not be there if the other one is.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:26 | 6655693 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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The only forces authorized to fly over Syria are the Syrians and the Russians. Therefore, they can not be at fault.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:29 | 6656019 BarkingCat
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Fuck, do people have a reading comprehension problem here?!?!?!

 

The country of discussion is IRAQ not fucking Syria.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:35 | 6656034 Teh Finn
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Perfect thread for showing who all the narrative writing commenters are.  They never move off message.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 23:25 | 6657147 Baby Bladeface
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This is you now, apparently, the mirror spoke.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 00:34 | 6657262 BarkingCat
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while I do not agree with your opinions (that I have seen in this section) I did give you a thumbs up here because you have a valid point..... and whether I agree with your opinion or not is not relevant...and least you read the freaking article.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 22:24 | 6656998 Volkodav
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maybe uninvited aircraft sneaking into Syrian kinda mixes the issue

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:24 | 6655679 BarkingCat
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This is a non story really. Of course any pilot should fire back if fired upon.

The question is who is authorized to be flying military missions over Iraq.

If the Brits are authorized by Iraq to be there and the Russians fire on them and get smoked, then it is Russians own fault.

If the Brits are there because they are nothing but arrogant paedophile cock suckers who think they can do what they want and shoot down a Russian fighter, it matters not how fired first. The Brits are at fault.

 

Actually it would be a lot worse if they are both authorized and the Russians attack and destroy a Brit plane.

 

Iraq should really decide who they want there and stick to one force.... or someone in Russia or NATO should make the decision and not be there if the other one is.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:26 | 6655686 The Greek horse
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The only thing left for NO WW3 is to carpet bomb the masters Mansions in London, Brussels and Switzerland .. UK gave the land to Israel.. UK Royal airfoce could do humanity a favor and turn on there masters you fucking puppets!!!

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:26 | 6655692 cheech_wizard
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Cameron should stick to putting lipstick on pigs.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:28 | 6655698 Jacksons Ghost
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City of London on a workday. One clean direct hit and most of the world would be better off for eternity.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:04 | 6655804 HenryHall
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Rising sea level will take care of London in a very few decades. No need for explosives.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:50 | 6655911 El Crusty
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You need to add in Washington DC and Tel Aviv. Hit those and the rest of the world will be better off for eternity.

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:46 | 6655753 nnnnnn
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in 2015 "eurofighter" sounds like a hiv-infected gay whore

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:47 | 6655756 Death By Cold S...
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Let me Clarify that statement for all involved. Bitch! I'm about to FUCK  YOU UP! 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:49 | 6655757 The Greek horse
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There is no other options to see peace and prosperity as long as one directly targets Rothchilds and the Rockfellar familes they have been doing it with no resistance or a fear of retaliation towards them!! 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:57 | 6655780 highwaytoserfdom
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Come on Merkle and VW grow a pair of cahonies release the 300MPG diesel and let the Carbon Fascist and Russian Saudi oil suppliers rot in Hell..

Drive the oil prices to 20 bucks...      Rothschild  and AUTHORITARIAN propaganda  class won't like that too much..   Ghost of Honest Abe pushing this Marshal plan Myth far enough.... http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/tpp/

These globalist are fighting informed people...    30 MILLION PEOPLE  isn't that enough to start pension striping asset stripping from the "offense Department"       

ENOUGH DEMOCIDE

http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

SAFER YET? SAFER YET? SAFER YET? SAFER YET?

USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA

"Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline"

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:56 | 6655781 farflungstar
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Limey fruits from their gray little island overstuffed with Pakis punching above their weight. Instead of crying over ISIS maybe they should just vet the fuck out of Syria altogether. No one asked them to be there, and causing trouble on behalf of terrorist scumbags won't win them any sort of sympathy. Let them learn the hard way. 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 14:56 | 6655782 atthelake
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The fools want WWIII.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 01:28 | 6657339 Otrader
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There will be a wwIII only becuase it's profitable.  The taxpayers here will pay for all of it and with some crafty video/audio work, they will get the sheep to enlist to 'defend' this nation against 'trrrrrrists'.

 

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:18 | 6655786 Jorgen
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One conclusion from this article is that NATO wants to create a safe heaven for ISIS in Iraq. Some Iraqis have already asked Russia for help in eradicating ISIS from their country.The moment Russian planes start bombing ISIS targets in Iraq, NATO may attempt to shoot down a Russian bomber claiming they were attacked first. Gulf of Tonkin false flag redux.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:20 | 6655841 gonetogalt
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Well now, that's a sobering thought. Most here expect a ramp-up, and that's a pretty likely scenario.

At some point (soon) this thingie from Isaiah 17 will be seen:

1 The burden against Damascus. "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, And it will be a ruinous heap. 2 The cities of Aroer are forsaken; They will be for flocks Which lie down, and no one will make them afraid.  3 The fortress also will cease from Ephraim, The kingdom from Damascus, And the remnant of Syria; They will be as the glory of the children of Israel," Says the Lord of hosts

 

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:42 | 6655890 BlussMann
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What ?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:53 | 6656198 BarkingCat
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It is something written by some sand dwellnig camel fuckers over 2000 years ago that some people today think is anything but the fiction that it is.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 16:18 | 6655984 Grumbleduke
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WTF does that mean? What's with that spooky language? Someone wants to sound official.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:20 | 6656138 Rhett72
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A prophecy that was written specifically in reference to ancient Assyria after it conquered northern Israel in 722 BCE.  It was a revenge fantasy written by defeated desert nomads to give themselves hope.  What is shocking is that 2,700 years later, people base their geopolitical decisions on the desire to fulfill a revenge fantasy written by defeated desert nomads who thought the world was flat.

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 17:27 | 6656149 shovelhead
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This Isaiah guy...is he Jewish?

You know what they say about Jews and the news, don'tcha?

Sun, 10/11/2015 - 15:49 | 6655907 HowdyDoody
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The Russian aircraft will not carry air-to-air weapons. There is no need as ISIS supposedly has no air force. The Russians document the fuck out of each and every mission, with second aircraft filming the targetting and ground crew signing everything off. Plus all the ground videos.

 

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