Moscow Demands Britain Explain "Green Light To Shoot Down Russian Jets"

Tyler Durden's picture

The chances of escalation from a proxy war to outright war just went to 11 on the Spinal Tap amplifier of sabre-rattling. A day after British and NATO pilots were reportedly given the green light to take drastic action against Russian fighter jets if they come under threat during missions over Iraq, Interfax reports that the Russian Defense Ministry has demanded clarification. Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets.

The Chinese, it appears, are wholeheartedly behind Putin's efforts, judging by the following puff-piece from Xinhua (unofficially China's government mouthpiece)...

Russia's recent military intervention in the Syrian war in the form of airstrikes and missile attacks aimed both at supporting the government of President Bashar Al-Assad in combatting the Islamic State (IS) has reaped initial gains.

 

Russia's bombing campaign in Syria, which began on Sept. 30, has strengthened the Syrian government, laying the foundation for a dialogue with all countries concerned to come up with solutions that could drag Syria out of the internal conflict that has lasted for more than four years.

 

According to Russia Today, Russia started its bombing campaign in Syria with a goal to provide air support to the government troops in fighting various terrorist groups, primarily the IS.

 

Russian air strikes hit 55 Islamic State group targets in Syria in the past 24 hours, the defense ministry said Saturday, as Moscow ramped up its military campaign in the war-torn country.

 

Russia's air force has attacked a total of 112 targets since the start of the military actions.

 

On Thursday, Syrian government troops launched large-scale ground offensives under the cover of Russia's repeated air strikes. At the same time, Russia launched 26 cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea and destroyed 11 IS targets.

 

Syrian political analyst Osama Dannura said Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict has upset the initial planning of Western powers that have their minds bent on toppling the Assad government.

 

The West's strategic shortcomings were demonstrated by the disastrous 500 million-U.S.-dollar program to train and arm moderate rebels, which generated only a handful of fighters, many of whom surrendered or were captured almost immediately. The scheme was finally scrapped on Friday.

 

The reason why the U.S.-coalition has failed to deal a blow to the IS, according to Syrian political analyst Maher Ihsan, is a lack of offensives by ground troops. Besides, while attacking the IS, the United States is also offering the opposition rebels assistance including weapons, most of which end up into the hands of IS fighters.

 

In an interview with Iranian television broadcast on Sunday, al-Assad said a campaign of Western and Arab airstrikes against IS targets in Iraq and Syria has been counterproductive and terrorism has spread in terms of both territory and new recruits.

 

Around 40 percent of the IS infrastructure in Syria has been destroyed in just one week, Syria's Ambassador to Russia Riad Haddad said on Wednesday.

But the huge escalation in British and NATO rhetoric towards Russia - green-lighting direct conflict - has made the situation dramatically more dangerous...

British and Nato pilots have been told to take the drastic action if they are fired on by Vladimir Putin's air force during missions over Iraq.

 

The move comes after British ministers warned Russia had made the situation in the Middle East "much more dangerous".

 

Senior defence sources say it is just a matter of time before our fighters are involved in a deadly confrontation with Russian jets.

 

One source said: "We need to protect our pilots but at the same time we're taking a step closer to war. It will only take one plane to be shot down in an air-to-air battle and the whole landscape will change. "

 

RAF pilots have been told to avoid contact with Russian jets at all costs and both US and British mission control teams will do their best to keep them apart.

 

But the pilots have been warned they must be prepared to fire on Russian jets if their lives depend on it.

 

One source said: "No one knows what the Russians will do next. We do not know how they will respond if they come into contact with a Western jet.

 

"When planes are flying at supersonic speeds the airspace gets crowded very quickly. There could be a collision or a Russian pilot might be mistakenly shot down. "

And then, as Reuters reports,

Russia has asked the British defense attache in Moscow to clarify media reports that British pilots had been given permission to attack Russian jets if they are fired on whilst flying sorties over Iraq, Interfax news agency reported on Sunday.

 

The British attache said he would submit an official response in the near future, RIA news agency reported.

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One wonders just how far US, NATO "leadership" are willing to go to 'expose' Putin's evil intent? Especially in light of China's official mouthpiece (Xinhua News) reporting the following...

"The Russians have shown a naval capacity that was not expected," said Thomas Gomart, head of the French Institute for Foreign Relations, adding that Russia is "challenging the West's aerial supremacy."

 

Moscow offered on Tuesday to resume talks with Washington to avoid any misunderstanding concerning its airstrike operation, as well as to discuss ways to avoid conflicts between the United States and Russian warplanes over Syria.

 

Washington also said on Saturday that it would resume talks with Moscow to avoid accidents in the skies over the war-torn country.

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Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Oct 11, 2015 1:05 PM

The West has gone mad, this won't end pretty.

junction's picture

Not the West, just the slaves of Saudi Arabia: Obama, Cameron, the Bushes and the Clintons.  And, of course, John Brennan.

l8apex's picture

junction - that's pretty much the same thing, just add Beirut to your list and you're set.

Pinto Currency's picture

 

 

London has a serious probem in that their paper gold LBMA has blown-up:

http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/LBMAGoldStocks.php

Change the story.  Blame gold and bond market chaos on the Russians.

Hackneyed, but historically reliable, tactic.

http://www.safehaven.com/article/36534/lbma-data-points-to-gold-and-silver-default

 

The LBMA as the global Kuwait Camel Market ("Souk al-Manakh"):

http://www.safehaven.com/article/36659/greshams-law-predicts-the-lbmas-end

 

COSMOS's picture

LOL gotta love that quote " the move comes after the Russians have made the situation in the ME much more dangerous "  Like NATO arming and funding the wahhabi movement the past few decades and blowing up countries on their own or with their al queda and ISIS buddies is just a SAFE walk in the PARK. FU Cameron and FU NATO you bunch of FUing WAR CRIMINALS

This is no surprise they have had the GREEN LIGHT to shoot at wedding parties and kindergardens for the past few decades.

WordSmith2013's picture

Here's why the BRITs have gone batsheet crazy ...

Putin Goes Ballistics In Syria, Obliterates The USA’s Secret ‘Mideast Strategy’

 

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=23524

 

Putin’s Russia Blows Up Scheme For ‘Greater Israel’
Arnold's picture

More systems testing.

The former Soviet is going over their relatively high rate of cruise missile fails.

Expect dog fights to really wring out this air superiority business.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjjHDGWm4Q

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1ebgjh/were_there_any_ai...

strannick's picture

Britain continues to show its willingness and eagerness to support imperial oppression, from the time of medieval Ireland to modern Syria. Recall ZHs map of the handful of countries NOT invaded by Britain.

A perenial,  millenial scourge to the rest of the world, on behalf of elites, run by a Queen. A unique and exceptional history of national evil in the world.

Muddy1's picture

These are the rules of engagement for British pilots.  Wanna bet US pilots were told to stand down and not engage?  Translation: be gutless like their CiC.

strannick's picture

This is politics, Britain being Americas lapdog bitch hand-up-the-ass mouthpiece as usual.

random999's picture

Its not the west thats gone mad.

Politicians and banksters have.
The worse they behave, the faster (I hope) people will wake up and finally hang them by their neck.

In my country the so called racist party that it was politically forbidden to vote for has in a few years grown to grab every 4th vote in our country. The politicians still treat them as if they're the scum of the earth.

May they be punished by more than just losing their jobs in future.

Fish Gone Bad's picture

And then Stingers broke out...

Ayreos's picture

Wow, this episode looks like some dangerous posturing from the UK, but is instead a clear example of incompetence! No wonder their media picked it up and flared it up. I expect the "official statement" to be considerably different. Dear lord. If the british write "Fire if fired upon", the russians will read "Expect to be fired upon, so fire first." And rightfully so!

Save_America1st's picture

Hopefully most of GB's and America's pilots are smart enough not to follow any orders to shoot at Russian jets.  Just as I hope they men enough never to accept orders to shoot at or bomb American citizens WHEN no if these corrupt, treasonous, scumbags in D.C. eventually give the order in the not too far off future.

turtle's picture

And let's not forget Israel just next door with their history of false flags... U.S.S. Liberty anyone? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

 

Proofreder's picture

NOT a Queen - more like this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR6wKRWFOoE

Is Transilvania part of Russia now ???   Hmmmm

Nenad's picture
Nenad (not verified) Proofreder Oct 12, 2015 4:30 AM
Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy. http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
Nobody Important's picture

Don't give a shit about "Biblical" prophecies, but sure hope your right about Obama!

monk27's picture

The Russians should remind the Brits to be careful what they wish for...

kaa1016's picture

What they said was to fire at Russian jets if fired upon. This is a non story. What the fuck are they supposed to do if shot at? If someone shoots at you, you shoot back. It's called the rules of engagement.

IndyPat's picture

They are supposed to get their Limey asses out of Syria. Russia was invited. NATO wasn't.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

I agree, total non story.

It is just positioning to have the Russians appear bad if/when any shooting starts.

SilverRhino's picture

Like this shooting? 

Russian jet 'shot down by Turkish forces after planes violated country's airspace on Syrian bombing run' 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish...  

 

HowdyDoody's picture

Ah, one of Russia's infamous invisible Mig-29s that cannot be seen taking off and landing at Latakia. Just like the millions of invisible Russian tanks and soldiers that have invaded Ukraine. We can't see them. We can't hear them. We ca't shoot at them. But we know they are there.

Boooga, boooga, boooga.

RaceToTheBottom's picture

I don't believe that is covered by this "rule of engagement clarification".  

Broaching a sovereign's airspace by a war region is already grounds for shooting down.  

 

As is shooting back "When fired upon".  These are all non news items.  If Russia needs clarification, they might just be clarifying what it means to fire upon....

eforce's picture

The Russian jets are flying around with IR missiles so chances are a Western plane wouldn't see it coming.

HowdyDoody's picture

BS. They are doing ground attack sorties. There is no ISIS air force to attack them so why waste payload carrying weapons that have no use?

 

eforce's picture

Go watch the videos of Russian aircraft in Syria, you'll see they are carrying R-73's and R-27's.

BarkingCat's picture

As someone who has served in the army I can tell you that vast majority of those in the army are dumber than shit. The percentage is even higher in the marines. 

They will follow their orders.

I cannot speak for the airforce or the navy.

shovelhead's picture

A political calculation.

It's a bit too obvious that Obama's on the ropes and flailing about, so the good lapdog Britain is barking and threatening to jump in the ring to bite Putin's leg.

This is one dumb dog. Putin's got more kick than that dog has bite.

Ofelas's picture

ever heard of the S300 and S400, they are on the ground therefore picking a fight is not a good idea

chubbar's picture

OH FFS, ISIS doesn't have any fighter planes flying around, there is no reason to think that a Russian pilot is going to mistake a NATO/US/British fighter for ISIS. They aren't going to shoot at them.

This is more grandstanding by NATO because Putin is eating their lunch over Syria. The US/NATO should just admit that they are there to overthrow a sovereign government that Russia has vowed to protect and be done with it. Fucking retards.

Bring the Gold's picture

Yep Britain is the all time most genocidal and invasion-y country ever. Funny how that's constantly glossed over in all English speaking history books. No mention of the Victorian genocide, let alone the endless invasions. When I brought it up to my then fiancee's mother she claimed British Imperialism was an innocent quest for "Treasure and Adventure". I sat their gape mouthed with no response to that level of idiocy. This woman had a University education and was supposedly "liberal and progressive and anti-war". Unbelievable.

Bring the Gold's picture

Aw did I offend a Brit? Sorry you guys have killed soooooo much more than Ze Germans. I would have thought you'd be proud to be number one at genocide and invasion. :(

monk27's picture

The Brits are also among the most incompetent people on this planet. That's why they lionize a character like 007...:)

Killdo's picture

they have so muany skelletons in the closet to hide, no wonder the Brts are the most depressed people I have ever seen (I lived there for 13 years). Fundamentally turned against each other,materialistic, obsessed with status, they even use their accents as a status symbol. Above all always collectivelly licking ass to any perceived world power. 

Their famous snobbery is just a cover for insecurity - that took me years to figure out. They just don't know how to deal with each other

They also watch more TV (and believe it) than any other nation I have ever seen. I remember for years  trying to figure out why they never rinse dishes (they only soap them up and leave to drain - it always shocks us foreigners). The only explanation I ever got was that they saw it done on TV

here is a great article that explains the UK quite well:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/09/boarding-schools-bad-le...

farmboy's picture

Thanks for the informative link. I have lived there for a year but indeed it is a class society but could not believe it in first instance.

I love their traditions and was in the lucky position to laugh in the face of all these stiff upperlips. Ridicolous society.

Killdo's picture

I used to think whatever makes them happy - than after about a decade I realized they are actually quite unhappy. 

I have to stay I enjoyed studying there (I did 3 degrees there) although the degreein Economics was crap  - all about Friedman and ther bankster mafia ideology. It tooke me abut a decade to unlearn the damage

I do have a few friends there that I love and woudl do anything for

eforce's picture

We banned slavery and most of the countries we left behind are some were somewhat successful, but we could have done it a bit cleaner though...

TBT or not TBT's picture

The US strategy isn't so much "secret" as it is a confused mashup of ValJar/Obama leftist tropes translated ad hoc into uncoordinated activities whose only perceivable common thread is anti-western anti-american effects.  

shovelhead's picture

Obama's foreign policy moves are like watching a cereberal palsy victim dancing the Watusi.

It's not pretty and you just want to make it stop.

anti-republocrat's picture

Thanks for the link.  An interesting article, but I have to disagree with the following:

In order to prove to the world community of nations that the USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and Israel, in particular, were only playing an extremely dangerous and deadly game, Putin had to give them all (the Anglo-American Axis nations) some rope.

I don't believe Putin was trying to give the AAA enough rope to hang themselves, or any other far-sighted strategy.  Putin had to wait until the pressure on European leaders was too great for them to remain subservient to the US.  They weren't all that happy about the coup in Ukraine and sanctions that hurt them as much or more than Russia, but not unhappy enough to stand up to the US.  However, I believe they see the refugee crisis as an existential threat, if not to their nations and people, at least to their political control.  They desperately want to end the fighting in Syria before the situation gets any worse.  I believe Putin consulted with them on Assad before taking the actions he has recently taken.  I don't believe the rest of NATO will support US-UK or Turkish attacks on Russian aircraft, and I don't believe Obama and Cameron want to go it alone.