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Obama Defends The Failure Of His Syria Policy Before A Belligerent 60 Minutes
Yesterday, in a comprehensive takedown of Obama's handling of the second Syrian proxy war in three years (which is not over yet), we summarized events as follows: "The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia."
The facts, which are largely undisputed, confirm this: having achieved no progress "against ISIS", the stated goal of US intervention in Syria, and no progress in kicking Assad out of office and starting the Qatar has pipeline to Europe, the real goal of US intervention in Syria, the top democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, said that Obama "is debating the merits of taking further action or whether they are better off letting Putin hang himself."
By "hanging himself", the democrat meant handing Syria over to the Kremlin on a silver platter aafter just a few short weeks of Russian military intervention in Syria which has crushed US supply routes to ISIS and other CIA-sponsored rebel groups, and once again - just like in 2013 - put a premature end to US attempts to overthrow yet another head of state.
Fast forward to today when in what may have been the most awkward 60 Minutes interview for Obama before the US nation, Steve Kroft asked Obama about Trump, about Hillary, but it was Obama's take on the US loss in (and of) Syria and the Russian gains there, and everywhere else, that demonstrated two things.
The first is just how marginalized the US has suddenly become in the global arena, with an impotent and insolvent Europe behind its back for moral if no other support, opposing a suddenly ascendant Russian axis in the middle-east, one which has China's backing, especially in the aftermath of the quite demonstrative US implementation of the TPP which is meant first and foremost to offset China's rising trade influence in the region.
The second is the extent of Obama's delusion, or perhaps it was merely his spin relying on the naivete of the US public when it comes to foreign affairs, about the abovementioned snubbing of a superpower that until recently nobody dared to challenge unilaterally in the global arena.
The full exchange is presented below. We still can't decide if Kroft's at times near-aggressive belligerence toward the president was actually genuine, or as revealed previously especially in the case of the 2011 60 Minutes interview of Julian Assange, the host was directly instructed by the administration on how to approach the topics at hand, and to make Obama squirm on purpose, so as to make the loss more palatable to the people of America.
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Steve Kroft: The last time we talked was this time last year, and the situation in Syria and Iraq had begun to worsen vis-à-vis ISIS. You had just unveiled a plan to provide air support for troops in Iraq, and also some air strikes in Syria, and the training and equipping of a moderate Syrian force. You said that this would degrade and eventually destroy ISIS.
President Barack Obama: Over time.
Steve Kroft: Over time. It's been a year, and--
President Barack Obama: I didn't say it was going to be done in a year.
Steve Kroft: No. But you said...
President Barack Obama: There's a question in here somewhere.
Steve Kroft: There's a question in here. I mean, if you look at the situation and you're looking for progress, it's not easy to find. You could make the argument that the only thing that's changed really is the death toll, which has continued to escalate, and the number of refugees fleeing Syria into Europe.
President Barack Obama: Syria has been a difficult problem for the entire world community and, obviously, most importantly, for the people of Syria themselves that have been devastated by this civil war, caught between a brutal dictator who drops barrel bombs on his own population, and thinks that him clinging to power is more important than the fate of his country. And a barbaric, ruthless organization in ISIL and some of the al Qaeda affiliates that are operating inside of Syria. And what we've been able to do is to stall ISIL's momentum to take away some of the key land that they were holding, to push back, particularly in Iraq against some population centers that they threatened. And, in Syria, we've been able to disrupt a number of their operations. But what we have not been able to do so far, and I'm the first to acknowledge this, is to change the dynamic inside of Syria and the goal here has been to find a way in which we can help moderate opposition on the ground, but we've never been under any illusion that militarily we ourselves can solve the problem inside of Syria.
Steve Kroft: I want us to take some of these things one by one. You mentioned an awful lot of things. One, the situation with ISIS, you've managed to achieve a stalemate. So what's going to happen to ISIS?
President Barack Obama: Well, over time--
Steve Kroft: I mean, they have to be-- somebody has to take them on. I mean, what's going on right now is not working. I mean, they are still occupying big chunks of Iraq. They're still occupying a good chunk of Syria. Who's going to get rid of them?
President Barack Obama: Over time, the community of nations will all get rid of them, and we will be leading getting rid of them. But we are not going to be able to get rid of them unless there is an environment inside of Syria and in portions of Iraq in which local populations, local Sunni populations, are working in a concerted way with us to get rid of them.
Steve Kroft: You have been talking about the moderate opposition in Syria. It seems very hard to identify. And you talked about the frustrations of trying to find some and train them. You got a half a billion dollars from Congress to train and equip 5,000, and at the end, according to the commander CENTCOM, you got 50 people, most of whom are dead or deserted. He said four or five left?
President Barack Obama: Steve, this is why I've been skeptical from the get go about the notion that we were going to effectively create this proxy army inside of Syria. My goal has been to try to test the proposition, can we be able to train and equip a moderate opposition that's willing to fight ISIL? And what we've learned is that as long as Assad remains in power, it is very difficult to get those folks to focus their attention on ISIL.
Steve Kroft: If you were skeptical of the program to find and identify, train and equip moderate Syrians, why did you go through the program?
President Barack Obama: Well, because part of what we have to do here, Steve, is to try different things. Because we also have partners on the ground that are invested and interested in seeing some sort of resolution to this problem. And--
Steve Kroft: And they wanted you to do it.
President Barack Obama: Well, no. That's not what I said. I think it is important for us to make sure that we explore all the various options that are available.
Steve Kroft: I know you don't want to talk about this.
President Barack Obama: No, I'm happy to talk about it.
Steve Kroft: I want to talk about the-- this program, because it would seem to show, I mean, if you expect 5,000 and you get five, it shows that somebody someplace along the line did not-- made-- you know, some sort of a serious miscalculation.
President Barack Obama: You know, the-- the-- Steve, let me just say this.
Steve Kroft: It's an embarrassment.
President Barack Obama: Look, there's no doubt that it did not work. And, one of the challenges that I've had throughout this heartbreaking situation inside of Syria is, is that-- you'll have people insist that, you know, all you have to do is send in a few-- you know, truckloads full of arms and people are ready to fight. And then, when you start a train-and-equip program and it doesn't work, then people say, "Well, why didn't it work?" Or, "If it had just started three months earlier it would've worked."
Steve Kroft: But you said yourself you never believed in this.
President Barack Obama: Well-- but Steve, what I have also said is, is that surprisingly enough it turns out that in a situation that is as volatile and with as many players as there are inside of Syria, there aren't any silver bullets. And this is precisely why I've been very clear that America's priorities has to be number one, keeping the American people safe. Number two, we are prepared to work both diplomatically and where we can to support moderate opposition that can help convince the Russians and Iranians to put pressure on Assad for a transition. But that what we are not going to do is to try to reinsert ourselves in a military campaign inside of Syria. Let's take the situation in Afghanistan, which I suspect you'll ask about. But I wanted to use this as an example.
Steve Kroft: All right. I feel like I'm being filibustered, Mr. President.
President Barack Obama: No, no, no, no, no. Steve, I think if you want to roll back the tape, you've been giving me long questions and statements, and now I'm responding to 'em. So let's-- so-- if you ask me big, open-ended questions, expect big, open-ended answers. Let's take the example of Afghanistan. We've been there 13 years now close to 13 years. And it's still hard in Afghanistan. Today, after all the investments we have there, and we still have thousands of troops there. So the notion that after a year in Syria, a country where the existing government hasn't invited us in, but is actively keeping us out, that somehow we would be able to solve this quickly-- is--
Steve Kroft: We didn't say quickly.
President Barack Obama: --is-- is-- is an illusion. And-- and--
Steve Kroft: Nobody's expecting that, Mr. President.
President Barack Obama: Well, the-- no, I understand, but what I'm-- the simple point I'm making, Steve, is that the solution that we're going to have inside of Syria is ultimately going to depend not on the United States putting in a bunch of troops there, resolving the underlying crisis is going to be something that requires ultimately the key players there to recognize that there has to be a transition to new government. And, in the absence of that, it's not going to work.
Steve Kroft: One of the key players now is Russia.
President Barack Obama: Yeah.
Steve Kroft: A year ago when we did this interview, there was some saber-rattling between the United States and Russia on the Ukrainian border. Now it's also going on in Syria. You said a year ago that the United States-- America leads. We're the indispensible nation. Mr. Putin seems to be challenging that leadership.
President Barack Obama: In what way? Let-- let's think about this-- let-- let--
Steve Kroft: Well, he's moved troops into Syria, for one. He's got people on the ground. Two, the Russians are conducting military operations in the Middle East for the first time since World War II--
President Barack Obama: So that's--
Steve Kroft: --bombing the people-- that we are supporting.
President Barack Obama: So that's leading, Steve? Let me ask you this question. When I came into office, Ukraine was governed by a corrupt ruler who was a stooge of Mr. Putin. Syria was Russia's only ally in the region. And today, rather than being able to count on their support and maintain the base they had in Syria, which they've had for a long time, Mr. Putin now is devoting his own troops, his own military, just to barely hold together by a thread his sole ally. And in Ukraine--
Steve Kroft: He's challenging your leadership, Mr. President. He's challenging your leadership--
President Barack Obama: Well Steve, I got to tell you, if you think that running your economy into the ground and having to send troops in in order to prop up your only ally is leadership, then we've got a different definition of leadership. My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change, an international accord that potentially we'll get in Paris. My definition of leadership is mobilizing the entire world community to make sure that Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon. And with respect to the Middle East, we've got a 60-country coalition that isn't suddenly lining up around Russia's strategy. To the contrary, they are arguing that, in fact, that strategy will not work.
Steve Kroft: My point is-- was not that he was leading, my point is that he was challenging your leadership. And he has very much involved himself in the situation. Can you imagine anything happening in Syria of any significance at all without the Russians now being involved in it and having a part of it?
President Barack Obama: But that was true before. Keep in mind that for the last five years, the Russians have provided arms, provided financing, as have the Iranians, as has Hezbollah.
Steve Kroft: But they haven't been bombing and they haven't had troops on the ground--
President Barack Obama: And the fact that they had to do this is not an indication of strength, it's an indication that their strategy did not work.
Steve Kroft: You don't think--
President Barack Obama: You don't think that Mr. Putin would've preferred having Mr. Assad be able to solve this problem without him having to send a bunch of pilots and money that they don't have?
Steve Kroft: Did you know he was going to do all this when you met with him in New York?
President Barack Obama: Well, we had seen-- we had pretty good intelligence. We watch--
Steve Kroft: So you knew he was planning to do it.
President Barack Obama: We knew that he was planning to provide the military assistance that Assad was needing because they were nervous about a potential imminent collapse of the regime.
Steve Kroft: You say he's doing this out of weakness. There is a perception in the Middle East among our adversaries, certainly and even among some of our allies that the United States is in retreat, that we pulled our troops out of Iraq and ISIS has moved in and taken over much of that territory. The situation in Afghanistan is very precarious and the Taliban is on the march again. And ISIS controls a large part of Syria.
President Barack Obama: I think it's fair to say, Steve, that if--
Steve Kroft: It's-- they-- let me just finish the thought. They say your--
President Barack Obama: You're--
Steve Kroft: --they say you're projecting a weakness, not a strength--
President Barack Obama: --you're saying "they," but you're not citing too many folks. But here--
Steve Kroft: No, I'll cite-- I'll cite if you want me, too.
President Barack Obama: --here-- yes. Here--
Steve Kroft: I'd say the Saudis. I'd say the Israelis. I'd say a lot of our friends in the Middle East. I'd say everybody in the Republican party. Well, you want me to keep going?
President Barack Obama: Yeah. The-- the-- if you are-- if you're citing the Republican party, I think it's fair to say that there is nothing I've done right over the last seven and a half years. And I think that's right. It-- and-- I also think what is true is that these are the same folks who were making an argument for us to go into Iraq and who, in some cases, still have difficulty acknowledging that it was a mistake. And Steve, I guarantee you that there are factions inside of the Middle East, and I guess factions inside the Republican party who think that we should send endless numbers of troops into the Middle East, that the only measure of strength is us sending back several hundred thousand troops, that we are going to impose a peace, police the region, and-- that the fact that we might have more deaths of U.S. troops, thousands of troops killed, thousands of troops injured, spend another trillion dollars, they would have no problem with that. There are people who would like to see us do that. And unless we do that, they'll suggest we're in retreat.
Steve Kroft: They'll say you're throwing in the towel--
President Barack Obama: No. Steve, we have an enormous presence in the Middle East. We have bases and we have aircraft carriers. And our pilots are flying through those skies. And we are currently supporting Iraq as it tries to continue to build up its forces. But the problem that I think a lot of these critics never answered is what's in the interest of the United States of America and at what point do we say that, "Here are the things we can do well to protect America. But here are the things that we also have to do in order to make sure that America leads and America is strong and stays number one." And if in fact the only measure is for us to send another 100,000 or 200,000 troops into Syria or back into Iraq, or perhaps into Libya, or perhaps into Yemen, and our goal somehow is that we are now going to be, not just the police, but the governors of this region. That would be a bad strategy Steve. And I think that if we make that mistake again, then shame on us.
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And just like that the US foray in Syria is unofficially over.
The sad thing is that for all the fake posturing by both Kroft and Obama, the US may still very well make this mistake and send 100,000 or 200,000 troops under the leadership of the Nobel Peace Prize winner, especially if our assessment of what the US withdrawal from the middle-east means for the upcoming dramatic shift in the regional balance of power.
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The rest of the interview is primarily focused on domestic affairs, i.e., Trump, Hillary's emails and Biden's latest presidential run, which for the purpose of this post or the opinions coming from a lame duck president, are irrelevant.
At the end of the interview, Kroft asks Obama if he's glad he can't run for president again. Obama says he feels a mixture of satisfaction at what he's accomplished and a desire to still do more.
Kroft then asks him: "Do you think if you ran again, could run again, and did run again, you would be elected?"
"Yes," says Obama, without missing a beat.
Judging by the "changing" IQ landscape in the US over the past eight years, the golfer-in-chief well be right.
Because just as the Obama was saying this, the following tweet hit the tape:
After nearly 5 hours at Torrey Pines in La Jolla, CA., Pres Obama has departed the golf course.
— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) October 12, 2015
Somewhere Putin is laughing.
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The problem is someone left the barn door open and out spilled those refugees and they are bringing anarchy to Europe in such great numbers that the truth can no longer be contained.
Few days ago two young men were shoplifting, security confronted them and they fought. Cops were called and they fought cops and ran away. Next day they returned to beat the employees, one was arrested the other ran. He was let go with no charges due to refugee status. They returned the following day with a machete and threaten to behead the employees.
The stories go on and on of not respecting any societal norms, laws or police. Attacking doctors, nurses and hospital workers. When told they must pay for prescriptions they attack and tear apart the pharmacy.
I read Germany has been doing for a decade what Sweden does, and that is to censor the crimes the refugees commit.
They are at the "No Go Zone" point now where the cops won't even get out of the car or slow down in certain refugee areas or they will be attacked by 50 men.
So this is far from over, they will be known as Obamarefugees for decades.
The door wasn't left open. It was blown down by a controlled demolition at a convenient time. Refugees have been leaving Syria and elsewhere in their millions with no significant impact on Europe. Then, bang, all of a sudden, a deluge of them, including ex-ISIS types*. It is just more of 'fuck the EU' as they show signs not fully obeising themselves to Zion (BDS, no investments in the occupied territories etc).
* ex-ISIS? I kill myself, I really do. That is like saying ex-CIA.
No significant impact on Europe?
Anyone who has been over there in the last decade can see how it has been overrun by the third world.
http://w2eu.info/about.en.html
w2eu.info provides contacts and counselling to refugees and migrants on their way. At the outer borders of Europe, people are refused entry, they are imprisoned and deported. Nevertheless people are coming. w2eu.info is supporting you who come to Europe in your struggle for a better life
Here you go! There's a weapon of mass destruction
What I won't believe is that these people had $10,000 USD to pay for the trip.
No way.
Who paid for them?
.....And now we send it over to 60 Minutes for the CFR talking points.....
A super softball interview ! Obama goes on to say what a mistake it would be to send 200 thousand troops into Syria. Huh? Evade, distract and take an agressive stance to shut down any potential probing questions. Softball, coached propaganda. Back to the game now.
It's so sad what a boner this site has for Putin. If an American president were launching a war of election in the middle east to distract it's people from its tanking economy, Tyler would have a very different view. Let Putin have Syria. Why should we give a fuck? They will become the next target of ISIS. They will get bogged down there. Best case scenario, Putin spends tens of billions of dollars returning Syria to it's pre-2011 status quo. Even that is unlikely.
Listen you ignorant dumb fuck. Putin can, will and needs to stop the evil Zio-American empire -an empire which has conned and deluded the average sheeple American -who have no clue how these Luciferian Internationalist Globalist fucks have already screwed us - If Putin does not stop them, in the near future, we are in a world of pain. We will already pay a dear price for letting these devils lead us to where we are -Wall Street has plundered trillions, destroyed out financial future for decades to come, we have gone trillions into debt with immoral and evil wars that have killed, maimed, orphaned and created refugees of over 20 million innocent people. It is our sin and great shame that we have listened to their lies, ignored the truth and allowed such evil to be perpetrated in the name of the United States. we will pay for our sins - but it will be far worse if we do not admit our sins, ask Divine forgiveness and begin to atone for the great harm we have done - of course this will not be possible until we remove and punish the satanic Luciferians who have this country firmely in their Luciferian grasp.
Thanks for neighing.
"The full exchange is presented below. We still can't decide if Kroft's at times near-aggressive belligerence toward the president was actually genuine, or as revealed previously especially in the case of the 2011 60 Minutes interview of Julian Assange, the host was directly instructed by the administration on how to approach the topics at hand, and to make Obama squirm on purpose, so as to make the loss more palatable to the people of America."
I can tell you with certitude it was not, he was as aggressive and belligerent with Trump on the question of "law" which he seems to think holds some mystical powers that only a talking head media type can interpret and can never be "changed" or modified by fiat, unless of course he agrees with the dictatorial proclamation.
He is an uber-statist of the highest order, all that matters to him is the system that cuts his check and feeds him.
Has Obozo made a genuine good decision by extracting resources and disavowing association to ISIS? I doubt it, but if he does keep his dick out of it, it's a good thing.
Obama is the best they have.
Obumma should be serving me drinks. If he's really good I'll let him stand at the front of my driveway holding a lantern.....
+100...
Some of the questions may not have been completely scripted because the nigger popped out plain as day in the conversation.
>Well Steve, I got to tell you...
I got to tell you? Who talks like that? Even rudimentary English speakers would have said "Well Steve, I have to tell you...
Standard Disclaimer: Steve, now axe me another question... I called it yesterday when I said there was a golf course just 10 minutes away from where the Commander-in-Cleats was staying.
It was very choppy editing to make it look beligerent.
I know there's a lot of Obama hating and let's face it, that man belongs to the golf course where he should retire to and shake some hands to old white ladies who will cheer for him until the end of his days. And I'm sure those 8 years won't be remembered positively overall.
But in the interview he was mentioning the neo-con factions (hell he even mentioned Israel in that context) and he was right, there are people, powerful people, in the US that would have wanted the to go in to Syria with troops, send troops and create an even bigger mess. Some in here disregard this option right away but he could have done it. And for all its flaws it's good that this administration chose to go down a different road instead.
You guys are complaining and saying he is weakening the US when in reality bankers are weakening the US, sucking out the lifeblood of this country and the war industry is, spending billions of tax-payer money for wars on the other end of the planet. And the neo-cons and Zionists are with their evil scheming plans to help a marginal country on the fringes of the desert grow in size.
So this golfer who doesn't want to get his hands too dirty may, at least in this very instance, have done the right thing to retreat. He deserved this akward interview though!
Members of congress rose up and told Obama, "No". Some of them had already sued over the White House inserting the US into Libya before Benghazi. When Obama (and his good buddies McCain and Graham) started the loud saber rattling over Syria, Congress informed him that he would have to obtain a proper declaration of war.
He didn't get his way.
Yep he lost on Sryia. The one time I recall that Congress did anything.
The US is watching its reputation, its credibility, weakened, not necessarily its ability to fight. Our credibility is damaged by not following through after injecting ourselves into shit. We start fights, throw a few punches, get our nose bloodied and then walk away claiming the high road, that we reject violence as a solution. Meanwhile thousands die.
WE LOOK STUPID.
Stupidity is weakness.
Unless this was a pre-arranged handover to Russia, his puppeteers won't be pleased. He could be in serious trouble.
I agree with the gay golfer that the right never wanted to leave the ME, some would go to war with Russia and China.
I am not sure the golfer and Putin made a deal to hand over way back.
I would not blame the golfer if he did, the monster is so big that would be the only way to weaken it.
I didn't vote for him, I voted Ron Paul so I have no reason to defend him and I don't like him because I am white
and on his hit list.
Technocrat Authoritarian...a man with Executive power...a pen the size of a 1 wood, you got yourself a hole in one America.
You voted for this man and it is you the people who are to blame, taken down by the finest of orators, you have laws in place to deal with this kind of behaviour. Stop the gripping and finger pointing, it changes nothing, except that which is to come... 1 more year 2 months and then what? It might be too late, I am truly sad for your nation.
P.S Mr Durden
Your reporting is off the charts this holiday weekend, how are those callused fingers. Two thumbs up for you Sir, keep up the goooood work, Thanks abunch.
What an upset folks. Steve has Obama on the ropes. Steve keeps pounding him. Steve delivers an upper-cut. Obama is down for the count. It's all over as Steve KO's Obama.
What a couple of Bitchez.
Obama still trying to sell his Shit to the American people. His time is up. Nobody gives a Flying Fuck what he says or what he want's. He's a Flaming Homosexual living with a Transvestite in the Peoples house. I'll never respect the White House again. He has stained this country for ever. Fuck those who voted and believed in this piece of shit turd of a human being. Rant complete.
If the voters would have went with the other choice, you could have used the exact rant, maybe even before now. Just insert "McCain" in place of Obama. No difference between rethuglicans and demonrats. Really sad our future almost seems to depend on Putin, to change our current course and leadership.
He's still an employee of the Ruling Elite, and as such has to advance Imperialist Foreign Policy
it's all propaganda, 24-7, never a moment of truth
It's fancy pants 'Bamma versus The Putinator!
I wonder who will win?
Here is a telling quote from the interview "My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change". So when Putin's bitch slapping of Obama is exposed, Obama runs to the "climate change" safety corner.
He might as well go there, somewhere he can lead from someone's behind
Yeah Joe Camel, I thought that was grasping at straws too. Recall that "leadership" with SoS Clinton failed in 2009 at CMP 5 Copenhagen resulting in the loss of six years of extremely valuable time. It wasn't long before CMP 5 that Putin was cracking fucking jokes about AGW - it'll be good for Russia hahaha we won't need as many fur coats hahaha.
woulda coulda shoulda President Obama. There is a reason Putin placed climate change as the last specific issue in his 70UNGA speech two weeks ago.
The Rest Of The World won't trust you, President Obama, to lead in Paris, which is a large part of what I've been saying here for over a year. Here's the excerpt from Putin's speech:
Ladies and gentlemen, one more issue that shall affect the future of the entire humankind is climate change. It is in our interest to ensure that the coming UN Climate Change Conference that will take place in Paris in December this year should deliver some feasible results. As part of our national contribution, we plan to limit greenhouse gas emissions to 70–75 percent of the 1990 levels by the year 2030.
However, I suggest that we take a broader look at the issue. Admittedly, we may be able to defuse it for a while by introducing emission quotas and using other tactical measures, but we certainly will not solve it for good that way. What we need is an essentially different approach, one that would involve introducing new, groundbreaking, nature-like technologies that would not damage the environment, but rather work in harmony with it, enabling us to restore the balance between the biosphere and technology upset by human activities.
It's all scripted theater. Each reads his script. Our Dear Leader tried. What more can we expect, except if we're racist.
The USSA is fuckin broke ....no way the military is called to do shit. Go Astros.
Fuck YOU Barry....you sock puppet douchebag delivery lip service.You and your 50 blue suits. Asshole.
Take you, your whoop of a "shamily", and get out of the WH, and take that Iranian cunt Val with you.
The U.S. govt and military is falling apart.
The monetary system is in shambles.
Its the end of an empire for sure.
Rome with spears and shields could of been more effective in taking over syria than the us military.
One simple question you'll never hear: Did you create, arm, support or protect Isis or Al-quida as a proxy army ?
The thing is, it doesn't even matter, the fact that the U.S. Military isnt even capable of destroying forces it created, funded, and trained....
Lets just assume the U.S. military was atleast "trying" to defeat ISIS, (an entity we all know the it created in the first place), the fact that it couldn't "win" or atleast do any meaningful damage.... coupled with the fact that the govt and military lacked the leadership/ability to just outright topple the Syrian govt (what it was supposedly trying to do by funding and creating ISIS), why even fight a proxy war? Russia went right in and with its own forces achieved (is close to achieving) its goals.
Why is it that the U.S. ( with supposedly the most powerful military on the planet) has to pussy foot around? EVERYONE KNEW THE U.S. WAS ARMING REBELS TO TOPPLE ASSAD.
It wasn't like it was some "secret" why is it so far a stretch to just IDK, send a few Destroyers, Aircraft carriers and bombers to just drop a few missiles on Asad and go home?
One missile , just one would of made the rebels irrelevant, and ontop of it, if the goal was to "help the free syrian rebels" etc take over, it would of saved A LOT OF SYRIAN LIVES to do so.
So clearly, either the U.S. govt has had a complete breakdown in command and control of its own forces and a complete break down of intelligence and strategy or they just wanted this to happen (the U.S. govt is trying to make itself look stupid) perhaps to provoke an invasion or attack.
At this point.
It looks like Russia would defeat the U.S. in any large scale war, the only thing the U.S. can "do" is launch ICBMS and hope the enemy isn't there when the smoke clears, the U.S. forces have no strategy, the soldiers on an individual level are great, dont get me wrong our soldiers are probably some of the toughest guys out there if not the toughest, but whoever is giving these guys orders and making strategic decisions is obviously a complete moron who probably cant even wipe their own ass.
The entire military needs to be separated from the executive branch of govt and we need some real military minds forming strategies on the bahalf of U.S. Citizen interests.
There should not be one military move made unless it helps U.S. citizens or saves their lives/prevents losses.
What we have going on now is military action being taken for profit of special interests (clearly).... it has nothing to do with the interests of the country or its people.
ITs madness a military cant run this way, eventually other nations will take notice and think of it as an opportunity to invade or worse....
If I was Russia or china I would be sitting there plotting how to invade the U.S. because clearly the entire countries command and control and strategy forming capabilities are worthless, if Russia invaded tomorrow, the U.S. govt would put up almost no resistance, China and Russia would probably only lose maybe 15% of their forces in a large scale invasion....unless nukes.
Its dangerous and disconcerting to see such a day and night shift from worlds undisputed military power to , no one knows what the red blinking light on the Norad console means, its an Idiocracy / Banana Republic and they aren't even contesting it is, they are infact admitting it.
239 Years..... I guess it was a good run, maybe there is room for a comeback sequel.... Texas looks promising as a good launching point for a reclamation effort post-red dawn.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2012/12/18/china-demands-us-c...
The US military is tough, the British military is tough, the IDF is tough. What do they have in common? They excel at killing women and children.
why do you think they have to give so many weapons to the EPA?
4:45 He says "we build a proxy Army"
maybe this was meant for the zionazi controlled media to embarass the potus who just gave israel to the russians. aipac will have to move to moscow. this is really a stroke of genius that could not have been pulled off without putin's help.
Don't think so. Heard somewhere that Putin and a plane load of suits flew in to see Bibi maybe a month ago. They spent about half an hour talking about Syria and a few more minutes on other topics. Allegedly, the other members of Putin's delegation were oil and gas people. That discussion lasted about three and a half hours. Putin wanted to have a piece of Israel's newly discovered O&G and possibly run the business for Israel. Bibi's answer was "No way, Jose". By the time Putin finishes in Syria, Russia will be in the catbird seat there.
So far this year, the largest number of Jews moving to Israel have moved from Russia. I would have assumed more would have left France.
I don't see Israel and Russia getting overwhelmingly cozy.
Putin wants a piece of some dodgy shale deposits in disputed territory where it cannot be extracted legally? Sure. That is Putin right over.
Think of it this way: If Putin saves Assad's government and Assad's personal hide, Assad will owe Putin big time. The way for Syria to pay back Russia would be in pipelines and drilling rights. If Putin wants to take payment in such a deal, he will need to provide stability. If Syria including the Golan Heights, stabilizes, drilling is not out of the question. If the enviromentalists become too shrill, Gazprom can go horizontally from the Syrian side of the border and pay Israel royalties for the product extracted.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Peter principle
Obama loves Peters
I hear he's gay, he's part black, now if he were a transexual and the first woman president, could we at least try to find a candidate who is presidential. Jesus, who hasnt given up on this shit.
But that only makes sense, walking away.
$20T in debt and Putin is running his economy into the ground?
your number is way too small.
Obama has made himself into Putin's lawn jockey
I almost miss Furguson after this interview.
At least the facepalm was spread far and wide.
This was too concentrated in one place and my brain shut down. If the plan was to elict sympathy, it was a stunning success. I felt like I was seeing the big fat schoolyard bully beating up the 89 lb. retarded kid.
Ferguson has been reduced to junk status. Property values are cratering. The school district will suffer next, then the blacks who fucked up the city of St. Louis, then moved to Ferguson and FUCKED IT UP TOO, will cry and whine about their plight. FUCKING LOSERS.
The day of the shooting of Brown a guy who lived in the apartments said "Maybe the whites will move out of town now and my rent with go down"
That has been used forever, make the neighborhood too dangerous for gentrification.
So how is this Obama's fault? He was a fake douchebag the moment he appeared on TV, the fault is with US idiotic public who grew up on fast food, WWF, no knowledge of history or geography, and hollywood as the tool for mapping out the reality. You lot elected him. Idiots.
Thanks to all of those here with the stomach to watch that man speak. I no longer will do so. If he told me the sun rose in the east I would not believe him. The entire episode was scripted, people. Entirely, to such a degree that if Chalky reached down and scratched his ass it was scripted.
Looking for journalism in the United States at this point in our history is like a thirsty cowboy drinking cowshit-flavored water out of a hoofprint in the desert.
CNN launches dud against Russian campaign in Syria
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=519369
I was busy cooking - Canadian thanksgiving here. I saw one of my nephews - university age - watching. I strongly suggested he watch the 60 minutes Putin interview as well. And yes he still sometimes listens to his aunty.
The boy has a very wise aunty.
Obama said he feels satisfaction for whats hes done. Him and all of congress should be arrested immediately.
Clearly the whole ISIS/Syria thing is a cluster fuck.
However, I would not rule out some "bargain" between the US and Russia by and between Syria and Ukraine with the "agreement" being Russia keeps Crimea (done) and eastern Ukraine and Assad stays in Syria. Europe can keep Western Ukraine and all the neo-nazis.
The only reason I say this is both conflicts broke out at about the same time. The lead up took about the same time.
The US/Europe never seems too concerned about Eastern Ukraine - only the undeveloped ag interests (which are now being represented by Joe Biden's son?!)
So. I know that's a stretch. Russia certainly is making inroads into Belarus. US got more out of Bulgaria. Moldova got robbed so that is another pipe to fix. Poland got some support as did some of the Baltics.
Sometimes you have to accept the world is not as complicated as it seems and Occam's Razor still persists.
Maybe Obama and Israel and company really are that bad in losing Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Kurdistan (whatever that was) and Syria.
Hard for the US to win anything when it lost its moral authority with the Iraq invasion lies and Russia and China are so uniquely predisposed to accept US technology and market transfers for the benefit of a handful of cloistered western billionaires with Singularity fantasies.
Who believes anything on 60 Minutes anyway these dayz?
Screw that NYC broadway stage show ..
I wonder if CBS et al would have the balls to broadcast, rebroadcast what I'm watching as I type this ..
https://youtu.be/wa0cXxaJGzU
Enough people watch and comprehend this, the revolution would begin the next morning. Starting with a complete crash of Wall Street. If not, then we have too much evidence of either extreme and chronic cognitive dissonance and/or literal sedation of a populace ..
What would JFK do?
Duck?
I heard the good news--no plans on starting a war in the Middle East, at least for today.
Hey, AlfredNeumann .... Bibi is giving Vlad targeting information in Syria .... Russian military specialists arrive in Israel .... see barenakedislam.com .... fuck you, Dutch Boy !
There it is. Pre-arranged.
Middle East Monitor Israel will provide Russia with intelligence information about opposition sites in Syria to facilitate Moscow’s military operations, Channel 2TV has reported. The Israeli network said that a senior delegation of Russian army officials will arrive in Israel on Tuesday to coordinate the military cooperation. The delegation will be led by First Deputy Chief of General Staff General Nikolai Bogdanovsky, who will meet his Israeli counterpart, Major-General Yair Golan as well as senior officials in Israeli military intelligence, the air force and the Mossad.
Channel 2 noted that the visit follows the meeting between Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow three weeks ago... Another report by Israel Radio on Sunday claimed that Tel Aviv will provide vital intelligence to the Russians in a bid to reduce Iranian influence in Syria.I'm not surprised Israel will sell out any ally at any time for whatever advantage. Israel can't have alies for that would imply that the the interests of others has an impact on them which is impossible because according to the Likud party Chief Rabbi Yosef, the difference between jews and goys is as great as between mammals and protozoa. Rabbi Yosef expresses the feeling of the majority orthodox and hassidic jews and to a lesser degree the reformed jews. Israel uses countries when convenient, then throws them away. Bibi probably gave Putin the US lauch codes as a parting gift. Putin knows that if Bibi is happpy, the Americans will be happy. But as soon as Bibi double crosses Putin, which he will, there will be some serious consequences.
Bibi and the ZioNazis are going to continue to back the terrorists because they cannot allow Putin to stabilize Assad. They will try to wait Putin out; perhaps he's already been poisoned of infected with cancer; we'll know if he dies in the next 5 years. Bibi will pretend to be against the terrorists but Putin wil catch him treating them in Israeli hospitals; maybe Bibi will try, with Saudi/CIA help , to arrange a false flag attack in Russia on a school to embarrass Putin and scare him into leaving but that didn't work once before. Essentially Bibi and Putin are on a collision course
They also didn't want the embarrasment of losing one of their precious murderous flyboyz which may have happened if they stayed outside the Syrian intelligence sharing coalition. The Israeli info will be double checked all ways to hell, just to make sure they don't try to frame any third party in their way.
I'm so confused, here I've been schooled at ZHemmiroids on how the ZioNWO is backing ISIS/ISIL, but then this....dem jooos sure know how to write a call and a put.
Your confusion is natural. Being part of a inbred tribe of miscreants does lead to mental insanity eventually. Confusion is just a late stage symptom of the inbred.
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Ah the fool card. Let's see now. If Bibidafuckingyahoo had all this targeting information, right, then why didn't he pass it on to his USSA allies, hmm? If this story has a shred of truth, which it doesn't by the way, then ISIS would have been a non-issue for months now.Right?
All bullshit, but the hasbara trolls here need some glimer of hope as their narrative has spun apart with lightning speed.
Obama is a duche.
What's new?
Nothing to see here. CBS is run by the neocons for the neocons. Listen, objectively, to the questions being asked and the terms being used by the 'interviewer'. Not a fan of Obama myself, but 60 minutes is a total tool show. You know, entertainment, not news. Networks are the biggest toadies out there.
The indispensable nation =
The chosen people.
The ubermenschen
Manifest Destiny = Ersatz Israel
Gods chosen country (USA) = Gods chosen people (Jews)
Obama's attitude in these things is "I control your future broadcast licenses.
Now, what is your question?"
Damned waste of time listening to 60 Minutes. Years ago it was an interesting show, now it spews propaganda hell. Condition and deceive. No really we're just not that stupid as we've heard the cry of wolf too many times.
Couldn't be more "toolish" than NPR.
Did everyone stream Fear the Walking Dead?
Hey, ISIS .... I'm from Missouri .... blow me !
Ah, Missouri - the blow me state.
Demoncracy
Demon-In-Chief
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma using CIA funded NGO & rebels to topple govt, Ukraine broke up & its gold looted(by USA) uprising in other countries too.
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma converted NSA into stasi , Snowden left USA to Russia , unimaginable
Look at Julien Assange ; it appears that America has become Soviet Union
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma sanctioned Russia , Petroyuan is born, SWIFT is also on the chopping block
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma stopped the govt from functioning & locked the gates of govt. buildings, HAh ha
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma started QE with the help of kaballah dumping trillions of dollar down the drain
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma took millions of bribe(election fund) from pharma; obamacare to loot the Americans
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma forces all govts to become (pro) homosexuals; threatening the very existence of the most important institution in the world : THE FAMILY ; He is a destroyer of family , a demon from hell
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma created & mishandled ISIS , the world is on the brink of a world war 3 , probably nuclear , threatening the very existence of humankind.
CabalA$$LickerHomObamma's actions will lead to collapse of petrodollar , USA's influence & power will vanish, Americans will be begging.
AND FOR ALL THESE BLUNDERS HE HAS NOBEL PRIZE FROM PIRATES (EUROPEONS PARROTS & POODLES)
SHAM
Steve Kroft is an idiot.
He's just a muppet, like all the other "journalist" muppets.
Hope his "grilling" of the Prez was scripted...for Kroft's sake.
It was and scripted by Obama.
He gets to testify by TV as criminals do, if they can.
He also gets the left to feel sorry for him.
That doesn't say anything good about the Prez, does it?
There's always the excuse the Big 0 was caught flatfooted without his teleprompter..
The fact that he attacked Obama so eagerly shows you that to the corporate presstitutes, Obama is not just a lame duck. He's lame
Maybe its time to ditch those friends. I mean friends come and go don't they? It's only natural if one friend starts taking the other for granted, spending all their friends money, spying on that friend or supporting other friends that cut off your folks heads. That's not how friends treat friends is it?
It was sunny and 95 degrees here in San Diego today, a record.
We did our best to heat stroke Ocommie, but that Kenyan blood
is impervious.
Amazing to see how the worm has turned. The media has evolved from the peaceniks of the Vietnam era into modern day war crazed kooks. I would have liked to see Kroft query Obama on the clear deception of the American people in regard to covert support of ISIS, the very same brutal group we were supposed to be fighting and funding a war against. Obviously, Kroft wasn't going there, instead it was all about scolding the president for letting Russia spoil the plan, or perhaps not starting WW3. Thanks Kroft, you're a real credit to journalism.
And you really think Obama has anything to do with the decision-making?
Here's who makes the decisions - the Zionists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig5sTehZqZA 3625
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%201
The Zionists present Obama with the options, AND ARGUE THEIR CHOICES, but the Negro makes the decision.
Obama has his own ideas about who should run the world.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/06/23/president-obama-hosts-ramadan...
Since things went real bad the left claims O' is a puppet.
But Bush wasn't..........haha and LOL
the real problem with USA is this answer:
Q: We're the indispensible nation. Mr. Putin seems to be challenging that leadership.
A: President Barack Obama: In what way?
so we have a delusional psyco leading the world towards idiocracy
There are a number of problems with this interview. First you are attempting to debate with a politician. Not a good idea. The second is this kind of finger pointing and prodding might just be what initiates the confrontation between Russia and the US. Do you really want that? All for what? A corrupt tyranical country that houses terrorists? Give it to the Russians. Let them have it. Who cares.
This idiot is just a mouthpiece for the US oligarchy. He doesn't know what to say without a script.
Thanks for this article and the transcript. I never would have watched Kroft's interview of the pathetic Negro Schmo -- I'd gouge out my eyes before doing that.
Obama is just a lying, but vain, asshole who has fucked up the world because he had no idea what ignorant, self serving advice he was feeding on.
This is all bullshit.
There are over 5 million soldiers in various Gulf countries. Their leaders laugh as American's spill the blood of their children for what?
Bring everyone back home and let Allah sort it out.
We are their because israel and its leaders run Washington, period. Just look at the makeup of "US" foreign relations, or "Justice" Dpt,...America is not run by those who have our interests at heart, but money and Zionism.
Valerie Jarrett
John Kerry, after Hillary Clinton
Samantha Power, after Susan Rice
Loretta Lynch, following on the heels of Eric Holder
George Soros, always
The list doesn't look too zionist.
We are in a pathetic place in in Human history. It will be written in human history. Unless in 2040 they have a book burnin festival. The utter madness taking place at this place and now is at some point unreprehensible.
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Pure kabuki. Meaningless interview. Glad I stopped watching 60 Minutes over a decade ago. Fuck all the media whores.
When Obama says Assad is bad.. it's ok. WHen I see our CIA go in and wreck havoc on their society. I got problems, Millions of Syrians have been killed, beautiful women and children of chirstian faith were held out to dry. And now Obama want's to import 200,000 Muslim Men into this country. I mean What the fuck is going on.
"Top Wahhabistan headchoppers pay court to Putin in Sochi in bid to save their bacon."
A headline you'll never read about a meeting MSM will never report.
US is indispensable, irrelevant and over.
And nowhere, anywhere, was there ever any mention by Croft or Obama of what this Syrian War was really about: Gas pipelines.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/05/31/the-geopolitics-of-gas-...
Syria is not in Europe, weird that president of USA might not know it.
I'm all for putin but Obama knew this move. It wasa calculuated retreat. The Russian Bear know's more than any of us.
I'm all for putin but Obama knew this move. It wasa calculuated retreat. The Russian Bear know's more than any of us.
What Obama is saying here is the unsayable :
1° US/SAUD alliance over.
2° US of Obama doctrine will not follow the neo-con mantra. But it cannot extirpate itself from the crony oligarchy culture.
Putin's Russia may win the military war momentarily like Giap did in Nam but the US's goal is to win the economic war. Obama's spiel is we can "contain" it and turn it around over the long term thanks to US economic superiority and military clout as manifested by the TPP type global economic accords shoved down the throats of its Far East crony surrogate nations.
(Hopefully, according to Obama's doctrinal spiel, like Reagan did against the USSR. In that respect the US SHOULD be inclined to support a cheap oil policy (like Reagan), but in the current context it knocks the hell out of US oil independence and also puts a bullet into the "clean renewables" initiative that the Paris conference is supposed to launch in Nov. 2015 and which Obama supports belatedly; after having killed the same initiative at Copenhagen talks in 2009 !)
The bottom line is that Obama's convoluted doctrine killed US capitalism by allowing Helicopter Ben to inundate the world with cheap money denominated in the all mighty Reserve; now a Hangman's noose for the US itself.
It aggravated the economic and financial ills of the Neo-con age by creating the mega financial casino and the derivative pumped toxic debt culture now in deep metastasis worldwide.
And in the coming fossil fuel drawdown age due to climate change those countries that move away from fossil will have a brighter future. The US's motorcar culture and suburban infrastructure puts a HUGE burden on its energy needs per capita; something that has already balooned out beyond all other developed nations by a mile and needs to be lassoed in dramatically in the coming age; as its the true thermometer to define the winners and losers of this new century.
Energy mix is a vital indicator of tomorrow's nation state or regional vitality along with monetary and financial integrity.
But the US has not even begun to address these issues.
WHat it does now in the ME OIL patch will not accelerate that strategic initiative : Project Apollo of renewables age; which is vital for planet survival. If anything it will weaken its historical alliances in the region now devolving into a huge "Apocalypse now" tinderbox.
We are in for a huge financial and global geo-political fracturing process as a result of this convolution that US "exceptionalism" of the past 50 years has bequeathed the world as head Hegemon : Dear Henry's ME shuttle and China ping pong legacy, as well the CIA led brutal take out of US' enemies like Pinochet.
Back to 1914...as PAx Americana starts to crack at the seams.
Only a not negligible question missing: under which legacy the US and other drop bombs in Iraq and Syria? Has UN never decided an this topic?
Must see!
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=342_1444507664Sounds exactly like George W Bush's "Mission Accomplished in Iraq" moment in 2003. Greasy politicians are all the same.
Obama can talk the talk.. but it is putin who can walk the walk
We got a real "President on the down low" now. What a fucking disgrace. That man should immediately step down, the only thing keeping him in office is his incredible arrogance.
The policy of taking out Assad and Isis is best summed up by a fortune cookie I had yesterday, "dog who chases 2 rabbits, catches neither".
Someone needs to ask him if he supports the rebuilding of the caliphate. Then when he answers no, what the lie looks on his face.
Really clueless president slaves...
Obama should just enter Betty Ford and admit that he's a crack smoking bi-sexual who is out of control. Become the poster child for all that is wrong with the rainbow madness.
Well, this is what you get when you have this imbicile put into office by his handlers. They tell him what to do and he does it. When things start to go bad, the handlers leave him hanging. I dont think obama has a working brain cell in his body. One day he may slip up and say well, I'm just doing what they told me to do. Well folks, the joke is on us. Welcome to ww III.
I watched it
I thought I clicked wrong link
Looked like one of those "To Catch a Predator" shows where the molestor comes in with beer and pot in hopes of scoring with a teenager but learns he was duped and tries lying his way through, then gets slammed to the ground on the way out
In Syria rebels fight against ISIS - but Assad and Criminal putin regime attacks not ISIS but Syrian rebels. So this way - Assad and criminal putin regime is actually helping ISIS. Also, criminal putin regime has been caught in his lies with pants down:
https://youtu.be/4wvoQFE62WI
potato
We all know this is a bullshit interview. Obama was just taking one for the team and afterwards Kroft and Obama were slapping each other on the ass laughing that they just pulled another one over the public's eyes.
"Yes,yes"...as diabolical maniac rubs his hands in glee..."It is all going as planned...moving a million Muslims into Europe and America"
I have no interest in one fucking word that comes out of that posers mouth.
Ah the zionist jew media does not like it that Obama is backing off of Syria...LOL< that filth would have US spend every dollar to fight Israel's wars for them...
Kroft was an ass who was disrespectful to Obama. That being said, Obama deserved it. I'd have more respect for him if he admitted the US/CIA was behind ISIS along. But then we'd start wondering if we were also behind the (apparent) ISIS snuff videos and just sat by while our paid mercenaries crucified and beheaded innocent civilians. And then we might realize the Charlie Hebdo attacks were committed by US/Israeli agents. Best to admit you've fucked up, but in a way which keep the dirty secrets secret. Because a war criminal is still a war criminal regardless if he is too powerful to stand trial. At least Obama submitted to an interview. That dumbass Bush would have never done that.
disrespectful?
He was far too nice to he who is good at killing people. A working polygraph with a competent operator would have been a nice touch.
Neumann says- "Just a reminder to those that have more than 2 working brain cells
Before 1948, America had no enemies in the Middle East.
Figure it out for yourself."
Ever heard of the Barbary pirates? Just because you get paid by Pooty Poot and the boys doesn't mean YOU have two active brains cells.
And in the off chance you do have two active brain cells they are most likely fighting each other!!!
LOL. North Africa is not the Middle East.
Not belligerent… more like butt-licking.
Bread and circuses.
House of Saud has no ties to barry, but lots of financial ties to barry's enemies.
So barry is out to hurt Saud's oil trade by financing Iran and partnering with Putin (despite Putin looking the bad guy).
So why is barry doing this? For the billions in kickback barry will receive from Iranian and Russian oil producers after barry leaves office.
"My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change, an international accord that potentially we'll get in Paris."
No additional comment is needed for this quote from Dear Leader Barry Soetoro.
60 minutes beligerent to Obama? Dont make me laugh, we have media outlets like this one to THANK for Obama in the first place.
Obama is trying to prevent another Nam! So, he is not going to fall into the neocon trap, once again. There is no Kissinger to renegotiate the petro dollar, with Saudis.....that would fuel this senseless conundrum.
Don't hear the half baked cookies! We are all Girl Scouts!