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8 Cities That Have Replaced Columbus Day With Indigenous Peoples Day

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Submitted by Claire Bernish via TheAntiMedia.org,

As tensions boil on the international stage, eight U.S. cities in two months abolished a federal holiday that has long insulted and infuriated the indigenous population and many others — Columbus Day — but that’s not all. These eight cities (including three just last week) then replaced much-maligned October 12 “holiday” with one long overdue: Indigenous Peoples Day.

Here’s the rundown of U.S. cities that decided a brutal imperialist might not be an appropriate figure to celebrate:

1. Albuquerque, New Mexico

In an official declaration of the transformation of the second Monday in October to Indigenous Peoples Day, the city made “an effort to reveal a more accurate historical record of the ‘discovery’ of the United States of America” by recognizing “the occupation of New Mexico’s homelands for the building of our City.” This year, Albuquerque is encouraging businesses and individuals to “reflect upon the ongoing struggles” of the indigenous population “and to celebrate the thriving culture and value” of their societal contributions.

2. Lawrence, Kansas

Haskell University students — representing 151 tribal nations — have been trying since September for implementation of Indigenous Peoples Day. Their endeavor finally paid off on October 6th at a City Commission meeting, where Mayor Mike Amyx announced that in order to observe “that the city of Lawrence was built upon the homelands of the Kansa and Osage people” and that Indigenous peoples’ intellectual, spiritual, and deep cultural contribution has enhanced the character of the City of Lawrence.”

Haskell Indian Nations University’s Student Senate President Christopher Sindone called the transformation a move toward unity. Expressing surprise, he said, For them to pass something like this, as a city, from being at Haskell, that’s 180 years of resiliency by Native Americans recognized.

3. Portland, Oregon

Portland City Council last week announced an outcome tribal leaders had pursued for over six decades: Instead of Columbus Day, by a declaration, October 12, 2015 will be Indigenous Peoples Day. In an interview with local station KOIN-6, tribal chairman of the Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde, Reyn Leno, said of the largely symbolic declaration:

We’ve been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and we’ve been shy about telling our story. I think that has led the public to have a lot of interest in what we do. We’ve been working hard to tell our story and the story of all Native Americans, and this is just one more movement toward getting that accomplished. You can pour all your concrete and lay all your gravel and blacktop, but these are still the lands that our people walked.

4. St. Paul, Minnesota

In August, St. Paul City Council passed a resolution intended to “reaffirm the commitment to promote the well-being and growth of St. Paul’s American Indian and Indigenous community” by celebrating Indigenous Peoples Day instead of Columbus Day on the traditionally designated second Monday in October.

With language similar to other cities’ resolutions of the holiday, city officials recognize that St. Paul was built “on the homelands of the Dakota people” and that “indigenous nations have lived upon this land since time immemorial.”

5. Bexar County, Texas

On Tuesday last week, the Bexar County Commissioners Court resolved to designate October 12th as Indigenous Peoples Day — a move to be inclusive of Native American history that recently helped the San Antonio Missions garner UNESCO World Heritage status.

City Councilman Ray Saldaña and indigenous advocate Antonio Diaz are now collaborating on a council consideration request to formally bring the same measure before San Antonio City Council.

6. Anadarko, Oklahoma

“The city of Anadarko strongly supports the proposition that Indigenous Peoples Day shall be an opportunity to celebrate the thriving cultures and values of the Indigenous Peoples of our region,” stated Mayor Kyle Eastwood in a mid-September meeting in Anadarko City Hall’s council chambers. Apache, Choctaw, Delaware, Wichita, and affiliated tribe members and leaders attended the reading of the full proclamation to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day — a proposal originally brought by Chamber of Commerce Executive Director and Choctaw Nation member, David Scott.

“We are only able to learn from our past when we learn the facts,” said Eastwood. “I hope this step will be the beginning of our learning from history when it comes to the role indigenous peoples played and still play in the creation of this wonderful country.”

He added this was an opportunity to put past differences aside because “Anadarko does best when we work together.”

7. Olympia, Washington

Replacing that contentious federal holiday’s spot on October’s second Monday, Indigenous Peoples Day will henceforth be celebrated by the City of Olympia, answering a request filed in October last year. An August 17th rally at Heritage Park saw member representation from the Squaxin, Nisqually, Quileute, and Quinault Nations deliver speeches and join in traditional songs to an audience of nearly 150 people standing in support of the measure.

Mayor Stephen Buxbaum’s proclamation, read by Mayor Pro Tem Nathaniel James, in part noted the city’s responsibility to “oppose the systemic racism toward Indigenous People in the United States, which perpetuates poverty and income inequality, and exacerbates disproportionate health, education, and social stability.”

Indigenous Peoples Day is meant to celebrate the contributions of the Squaxin, Nisqually, Quinault, Puyallup, Chehalis, Suquamish, and Duwamish tribal nations and their influence on the city.

The City of Olympia does not recognize or celebrate Columbus Day.

8. Alpena, Michigan

At the beginning of September, Alpena Mayor Matt Waligora proclaimed October 12th would be called Indigenous Peoples Day to facilitate a productive relationship based on mutual respect and trust between the city, the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe, and all indigenous people in the region.   

The proclamation was to be read during the celebration of the cultural and societal contributions of the area’s indigenous peoples, taking place over what is traditionally Columbus Day weekend, October 9th through the 12th.

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These eight cities follow Minneapolis and Seattle in creating official recognition for Indigenous Peoples Day. Oklahoma City attempted to pass a similar measure unsuccessfully in September, but plan to try again on October 13th — the day after Columbus Day.

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Meanwhile, in Detroit, someone took an ax to the forehead of a Christopher Columbus bust (with fake blood spilling out).

 

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Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:51 | 6661326 A Lunatic
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Why don't they just rename it White Guilt Day and be done with it......

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:59 | 6661336 The Juggernaut
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Native's Circle, New York.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:59 | 6661356 JoeSexPack
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What in the world are they upset about?

 

Legal casinos, endless welfare, tax free reservations & affirmative action?

 

Had American tribes sailed to Europe 1st, they would have returned with smallpox that killed over 90% of them.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:13 | 6661405 Hulk
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And why doesnt anyone ever shed a tear for the poor Neanderthals we fucked out of existence ???

Probably had em in some reservation in Italy running Neanderthal casinos too !!!

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6661432 Chad_the_short_...
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The neanderthals evolved into niggers

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:24 | 6661445 Hulk
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Naw, they evolved into Italians which is why they have so much back hair and talk with their hands so much...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:30 | 6661480 847328_3527
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Well, at least the indigenous peeples don't burn down their tents and loot all the wampum from the general tribal stores when they get angry.

 

More power to them.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:38 | 6661507 ZD1
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"Well, at least the indigenous peeples don't burn down their tents and loot all the wampum from the general tribal stores when they get angry."

But they did!

The Native Americans were in a near constant state of warfare with one another, many tribes became extinct and disappeared even before Columbus, as a result of tribal conflict.

Basically as cultures of nomadic hunter gatherers they were in constant competition over hunting grounds, with the stronger tribes exercising their control over the more fertile areas.

Not only did these tribes compete for food but also it became common practice to raid one another for women and slaves.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:54 | 6661552 Save_America1st
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that statue is just oozing with red "tolerance" of the Leftards and their fake political "issues".

 

Stay classy you fucking scumbags. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:49 | 6661680 Macchendra
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Black people are the only people without neanderthal, lol.  Look it up.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:13 | 6661736 wee-weed up
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I wonder if there is a correlation between these cities and sanctuary cities.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:23 | 6661754 the kings whore
Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:33 | 6661768 Ward no. 6
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many natives are quite educated today and many don't drink

as for the ones who do drink no the whiteys don't foot the bill

usually the rez takes care of their own

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 03:17 | 6661856 bunnyswanson
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Having grown up near indian reservation and having played with the children, after thoughtful consideration of their plight in all nations, my conclusion is that the tribes were fragmented and war between factions was underway.  They stole from each other.  Indian giver is a phrase that has carried from the early settler days, and when the peace offerings of a gift was made, the European settlers, who were being told to do by the WALLETS, just like always, did not respond in a fashion deemed appropriate, the indians would return and steal their gift. 

Language barrier and hardship of that life to the newcomers who had to face winters and learn to farm if they wanted to eat, would have added another layer of distrust due to inability to comprehend a ocean between 2 continents.  However, that was then.  This is now.  If the minorities in this world would state the truth, that one on one, we all get along fine, I'd surely appreciate it.  At a time when the very country is being bankrupted strategically, bringing up this bullshit is a bit fucking much.

George Washington was not a thief.  He did not lie (cherry tree gone).  He was a good leader.  He led a ragtag bunch of men to the shore and fought an organized, color-coordinated professionally trained brigade of soldiers and they fucking won. 

We define who we are by our ancestral past and if the INDIANS would ahve protected their borders instead of infighting, they'd perhaps have been in a position to stop the MANY attempts to inhabit N. America (including Spaniards who wiped out millions in SW and SW at different periods),we'd not have this issue.

Settlers were brave, fled religious oppression.  Many died to get here.  Many babies died shortly after birth.  This struggle should have been described to you by your great grandmothers, but they are in a old people's home or on the other side of the country.  Dismantling America and her history is underfuckingway and you will find why they say, remember where you came from or you may just end up right back where you started.  Broken spirits result from REGRET.  Drowning regret with a bottle of booze.  Poor people are discriminated against.  Rich black people fit right the fuck in.  Poverty is a weapon.  No one mentions all the sacrifices which were made, just the failure to keep it all together without a drop of sweat, as if one masterpiece is just not enough. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 03:23 | 6661862 Miles Ahead
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Black people are the only people without neanderthal, lol.  Look it up.

Damn... well, that explains it.  The 4%ers.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:24 | 6662046 Keyser
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The plan to erase America's heritage is well under way, piece by piece... The sad part is that the sheeple will not even notice as they have been dumbed down with flouride in the water, chemicals in the food, an education system designed to produce morons and a media that panders to the master plan... Zieg Heil!!! Oops, I mean All Hail Caesar... 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 09:12 | 6662200 The Juggernaut
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EVERYONE IS MISSING THE POINT!

Columbus Day was a day to celebrate the Military Industrial Complex of the 1400's. Celebrating the true discoverers is finding the truth of the past AND of today.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 13:26 | 6663361 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Could I take a minute to point out that the dethroning of Columbus is just in time to make way for the honoring of America's next set of colonizers, the "Syrian refugees"?

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 04:41 | 6661906 Nenad
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Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy! http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:11 | 6661977 MANvsMACHINE
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I wish Obama would just resign if not for any reason other than to shut you up. We know already...he won't make it to the end of his term. If and when that happens, we will all give you the credit you so rightly deserve. Just shut the fuck up about it already.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:50 | 6662009 TongueStun
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Only idiotics assholes (Democrats) think human beings were indigenous to north America....Show me anything a democrat says, and I'll show you a stupid fucking lie.....it's what they do, it's who they are!

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 14:53 | 6663704 HughBriss
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Two words: Land bridge.  'Nuff said!

 

;)

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:23 | 6662174 bunnyswanson
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I don't know anything about that.  But the theme appears to be - Divide and conquer/distract, overwhelm with too much information. This is a cruel world. Turning us against each other is their most powerful weapon.

Here are the bad guys (in a corrupt financial system, they ended up rich...hence, they have the loot).  Take it back. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rothschild-loses-libel-ca... $38,975,218.50 US Dollar  (Benjamin Rothschilds Caesarea Foundation for taxes over 50 years) The state also demands that the fund provide a one-time large donation from its assets" http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-rothschild-caesarea-state-breached-it... http://www.mintpressnews.com/famous-rothschild-banking-dynasty-facing-fr...

“Rothschild Bank is pleased to reach this agreement with the U.S. DoJ because this brings this historical matter to a conclusion,” Kilian Borter, a company spokesman, said by telephone.  SI SA, one of the largest private banks in the program, reached the first non-prosecution deal on March 30. It paid $211 million, admitting that it managed about 3,500 U.S. accounts with a peak value of $2.78 billion in 2008."

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12909-rothschild# "Israel is expected to join soon in the club of the richest countries in the world" "The future also looks promising, since according to the prestigious journal The Economist (Rothschild publication), the rate of growth in israel in 2015 will be 3.6 %, with an inflation rate of 1.5 %. All of this without talking about the gas fields, which already provide the majority of our electricity needs and is expected, by as early as 2017, start to bring money into the coffers of the State through the export." https://translate.yandex.com/translate http://www.israelvalley.com/news/2015/10/12/48118/moody-s-israel-une-des... "The israeli government is pushing to accelerate the exploitation of natural gas in the Mediterranean, taking the advantage of foreign investors. As the exploitation of the resources is part of national security, it defies the statute of monopolies. The reconsideration of existing agreements has triggered a battle between the gas companies and advocates of consumer interests.." "During a visit to China, the israeli minister of infrastructures has said that Israel has become a superpower of gas. He explained that “these recent discoveries have the power to make Israel a major player on the gas market”. "If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” Gutle Schnaper (Mayer Amschel Rothschild's wife speaking on her deathbed in 1849). "According to the High Court, Nathaniel Rothschild, scion of the banking dynasty and friend of seemingly everyone in the spheres of finance, business and politics, is indeed "puppet master" to the Baron of Hartlepool and Foy." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rothschild-loses-libel-ca... http://www.mintpressnews.com/famous-rothschild-banking-dynasty-facing-fr... "   NORMANDY — One of Europe’s wealthiest bankers faces questioning for fraud in France as part of a years-long case that accuses him of defrauding retirees." http://americanfreepress.net/amid-media-blackout-lawsuit-challenges-bank... http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-rothschild-caesarea-state-breached-it... "2009, the Israel Tax Authority presented the Rothschild Caesarea Foundation with a NIS 145 million demand for tax on the sale of land and on the returns on its financial investments. (37 million)

“Rothschild Bank is pleased to reach this agreement with the U.S. DoJ because this brings this historical matter to a conclusion,” Kilian Borter, a company spokesman, said by telephone.  BSI SA, one of the largest private banks in the program, reached the first non-prosecution deal on March 30. It paid $211 million, admitting that it managed about 3,500 U.S. accounts with a peak value of $2.78 billion in 2008."

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 10:31 | 6662640 dirty belly
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Most Indian tribes have a per capita payout from tribal enterprises that is distributed through out the registered tribal members.  This happens about once a year, and some tribes have elder payouts for elders at retirement age.  Tribal members can get these payments if they live on the reservation or not.  Some might call this socialism.  Almost all tribes have a higher education program that awards scholarships to qualified applicants.  Many Indian tribes do not have a reservation, such as the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma, my people.  I choose not to consume alcohol or eat foods with sugar.  I have a college degree in industrial arts and design and drafting and and minor in music, percussive arts.  I have toured the world as a 'world class' musician at the drum set.  I have performed in many countries, several times that most 'Americans' only dream of going, and would save a lifetime to visit only once, and I would get transported and paid to be there.  I have seen the faces of other cultures outside of the USA and sat at their tables with them. 

It is astounding the persistent ignorance of angry, sad, lonely, scared 'white people' that have never done anything to reach out to other cultures, or have ever been outside of their sad existence to places different than their own.  

Really do think about that.

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 11:29 | 6662918 MarsInScorpio
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Well, dirty belly, aren't you just the bragging, arrogant Ass of the Day.

 

You get lucky by having the money to exploit your birth among the Amerinds, and then look down your nose at those who didn't. Gee, all that education, all that cross-culturization, all that IQ, and you're still as ignorant as a stick about the realities of life.

 

Respectfully, GFY.

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Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:54 | 6662087 rbg81
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Actually, a lot of Scandanavians have a Neanderthal look.  It's pretty alarming.  They are defnitely not all blond and blue-eyed.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:55 | 6661694 SafelyGraze
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no one pauses on this day to mourn the whiskey traders who made it all possible

long before there zero-interest loans

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 03:01 | 6661845 Nobody For President
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Just as the British brought opium from India to the Chinese.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:18 | 6661607 Confused
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The Native Americans were in a near constant state of warfare with one another....Not only did these tribes compete for food but also it became common practice to raid one another for women and slaves. 

 

Interesting. Sounds familiar. Just a coincidence I am sure. The 1st world nations are so advanced and civilized, and would never........ 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:36 | 6661650 ZD1
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Sounds familiar?

You must be thinking of the Middle East where such things are common and theyr'e coming to a 1st world nation neighborhood near you.


Tue, 10/13/2015 - 11:41 | 6662978 NidStyles
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They are already here, they wear funny little skull caps and enjoy telling goys what to do. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:53 | 6661687 cheech_wizard
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They were actually skilled at torturing as well.

The History of Torture, by Daniel P. Mannix

See Chapters 13-15: Exile as a form of punishment in the 19th century (e.g. to America and Australia). Methods of torture in the east (i.e. China, India, Turkey), the Americas (e.g. native Americans and Aztecs) and Pre-Colonial Africa (i.e. Benin, Kano).


Tue, 10/13/2015 - 02:38 | 6661822 Bananamerican
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Indigenous peoples’ intellectual, ...contributions"

yes, I'm listening Little NewtonBear....

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:52 | 6662011 TongueStun
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There is no such thing as a Native American....that's just another in a long list of socialist jew media lies.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:01 | 6662108 Jeffersonian Liberal
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Indeed, though I'm not sure who thought the term up.

It is just another PC form of thought control.

I heard a soft-minded liberal in academe say to a child who was talking about cowboys and Indians, "Indian? I don't know what you mean. That doesn't tell me anything. Use the term Native American."

I said, "Are you talking about me?"

The soft mind said, "What do you mean?"

"I'm a Native American. The boy is a Native American. You are a Native American. We all are because we were all born here. You know damned well he's talking about the American Indian, a term that even your "Native Americans" had no issue with until you liberals used it as another issue to divide and conquer."

The term "Indian" in its CONTEXT of America and American hisstory has come to represent a unique denotation. In that CONTEXT, it is not oppressive or racist or discriminatory.

East Indian. American Indian.

Only the mind of a liberal would have difficulty processing those terms and would use the term itself to grab power.

And as far as being "The Native Americans," look up Kennewick Man and ask yourself why the "Native Americans" were so hellbent to take control of that skeleton, to give it a decent "Native American burial" and to refuse to allow scientists to analyze it.

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:30 | 6661763 Ward no. 6
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not all native americans

the hopi didn't fight with other tribes...

pretty much kept to themselves and were farmers..

They did get protection tho from the tewa nation who lived on their walpi village...

the hopi would get attacked from the apache... for food

ppl have always been fighting regardless of nation

 

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 04:17 | 6661885 RichardParker
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Ah, the Commanche were real sweethearts...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396760/How-Comanche-Indians-but...

Also, Karankawa and Mohawks openly practiced cannibalism.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:13 | 6661979 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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"ppl have always been fighting regardless of nation"

Precisely. As Finn Lynge once famously wrote: "Mankind had circled the globe, had unexpectedly encountered himself in an unexpected shape, color, and language, and did not recognize himself in the others."

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 03:06 | 6661800 The_Dude
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Columbus's discovery of America was one of the major turning point for Europe to counter the 1000 year rampage of the Muslim expansion.  Up until that time, the Muslims controlled the majority of the trade between Europe and Asia.  The money the muslims made was recycled into armies used to invade and plunder Europe.  The Europeans were desperate to find a sea-based route to the Indies to end the control of trade.  Therefore, all of the great explorers of the age sought alternate routes to India and China.  Colombus was the one crazy enough to take the unconventional route into the complete unknown.

While it is not PC, the wealth obtained from the Americas (gold/silver/resources) was a massive counterbalance to the wealth the Muslims were using to literally invade and rape Europe.  It allowed the Euopeans to raise larger armies and navies and led to pushing back the muslim powers, collapsing their economy that could not sustain itself without the plunders it took from Europe.  The Europeans were able to establish navies that could extend power enough to protect their trade routes and minimize the antagonism of the muslims.

Columbus is not perfect.  But in context of the world he lived in, was about what you would expect.  No monster but a man of his time.

Learn your history before some regressive rewrites it for you.....

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:18 | 6661987 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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The need for an external enemy. Characteristic of far right politics.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:23 | 6661991 Arnold
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The need for internal enemies to purge.Characteristic of moderate socialist politics.

Fixed it for you.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:34 | 6661997 nmewn
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Yes, clearly Obama droning wedding processions marks him as far right...lol.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 11:46 | 6662989 NidStyles
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It's a far right position to pay attention to the historical records of the middle-eastern invaders now... Just like it's a far right position to not want to support socialists that are too lazy to work. 

Sat, 10/17/2015 - 05:05 | 6663058 ImGumbydmmt
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redacted

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:25 | 6662047 DanDaley
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The ironic thing is that if Columbus had not discovered the Americas for Europe when he did, most everyone who is now alive in the Americas, and probably Europe too, would not be here (other people would be, no doubt, but not us). His discovery changed everything.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:06 | 6662025 youngman
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If anyone reads the true history of the Indians in North America...they were NOT nice people..they fought all the time...and were savages....we have made them out as some romantic peoples..but they were not....I think the casinos have turned them into total jokes....Native now means free money...look at Elizibeth Warren..a free college ride for all of her life....over a lie....lol...

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:56 | 6662091 rbg81
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To hear the liberals tell it, America was an idyllic paradise before the White man came and ruined it all.  The Indians lived in perfect harmony with nature and each other.  It was all unicorns and lollipops.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 21:40 | 6665250 Chris Dakota
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Im happy they axed Columbus in Detroit, just look what whites did to Detroit.

Axe anyone...

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 09:11 | 6662336 TxExPat
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Columbus introduced smallpox.  About 90% of the Native Americal population died from it before they ever saw a white man, or heard of them.  What the settlers ran into were scattered survivors settled in the ruins...  Try to imagine what the world would look like next year if a plague wiped out 90% of the population this year, (yes, most technology would be lost, and not all the bands of survivors would be orderly...).

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 11:48 | 6662995 NidStyles
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Actually no, that was the Spanish that did that.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 10:39 | 6662661 Canary Paint
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Constant warfare... Yeah... That proves a lot because European culture has had so much peace throughout its history. /sarc

This is quite disingenuous. That tribal conflicts existed, there is no doubt. That some tribes had brutal warrior cultures is also without doubt. Your rant conveniently forgets about facts like the sophisticated system of governance used by the Iroquois Confederation and that there is even reason to believe it influenced the ideas in the Constitution.

The decimation of native cultures before European installation in North America was due to plague although societal degeneration could have caused a great deal of conflict beyond what conflicts already existed. Much is not known, but like Europeans, periods of trade were probably disrupted by periodic disputes. Many tribes for whom raiding was a part of their culture had traditions like "counting coup," the practice of greater honor being bestowed for being able to touch an adversary than killing or injuring him. That hardly sounds like brutality for brutality's sake.

I am a white male, and I am perfectly capable of admitting crimes and mistakes of the past without having some kind guilt complex over it. Being able to simply see the fact that Native Americans were dealt with and are often still dealt with in very duplicitous ways without seeking to either minimize it or trivialize it is not that difficult. I think anyone who can't do that surely has some complex of their own.

We have moved into an era of legal equality for many demographics, but statistically, we still see that there are problems. If a particular demographic has spent generations in a role of subservience to a privileged demographic, then it is perfectly natural for them to want to express themselves. That process could take generations.

It is simply amazing to me that ZHers can see the hypocrisy of US foreign policy and then get their feathers ruffled over race, gender, etc equality issues. You must know that if we ever manage to reign in our politicians that the next logical step will be a good, hard look at ourselves and our history. That moment, should it come, is not a threat but an opportunity.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:39 | 6661508 BarkingCat
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Nah, the neanderthals were much further advanced. If you look at the depictions of neanderthals and some French people it is pretty clear that they did survive and live in parts of France.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:36 | 6661651 TBT or not TBT
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Idiocracy already happened and we are already tards. All of us, except some sophisticates in France in front of whom we are unworthy.  Whoahhh.  Do they have a stock ticker?

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:20 | 6661748 coinhead
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Read somewhere that high amounts of neanderthal blood found in the people of Wales as well.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:53 | 6661690 Macchendra
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A more ignorant statement has not been uttered, except for once when I heard a complaint about certain black musicians ripping off Led Zeppelin. Scotts have the highest neanderthal at as much as 5%, followed by the Russians.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 09:00 | 6662293 TxExPat
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Not even.  People of European descent are roughly 5% Neanderthal, (African is some tolken % not greatly above zero).  Neanderthal's were cold adapted, which was a strong + to migrants out of Africa who were moving north into Europe at the tail end of the last age...  (You have the direction of gene flow completely wrong, Neanderthals mixed with Africans moving into europe, and became modern Europeans).  (White Skin - increased efficency of vitamin D production from low sunlight levels, at the cost of increased sunburn/cancer in tropical areas, Flat hair - better at retaining heat, (spiky hair wicks moisture away from the body and is better at cooling the brain in a hot climate), longer torso/shorter arms and legs, conserves body heat, (african build runs to slightly longer arms/legs, smaller torso), again, better at radiating away heat in a tropical environment.  (The body builds are "bell curve averages", both gene pools overlap, but the mid-point of each group is a better match for where they traditionally lived...).   There are a number of other minor differences, but they are very small...

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 03:14 | 6661853 zvzzt
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Out of existence???? My wife is sitting right next to me!

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:33 | 6661996 lakecity55
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Hey! You are right!

"Cave Man Day" must be legislated!

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6661431 GeezerGeek
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So Europe gave smallpox to the Americas. In return, Europe got syphilis from the Americas. If ever there was a case for isolationism, here it is.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:29 | 6661471 Hulk
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Pocahontas and you'll be sorry...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:33 | 6661490 Raging Debate
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Hulk - Rare form tonight I see. Funny shit.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:37 | 6661501 Hulk
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I find myself oscillating these days between total despair and utter silliness...

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 02:15 | 6661806 The_Dude
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Smallpox originally came from Asia.  The so-called 'Natives" should take up their complaints with the former cousins in China that probably got it from eating some nasty undercooked bats or some shit. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:22 | 6662168 snodgrass
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I suggest we forward this to all the people of color including the injuns.

 

Are White Men Gods?

Getting the Facts Straight
• June 25, 2015

I find Cornel West, a black professor, complaining of White Supremacy, which he believes our black President needs to remedy. Obama, he says, is “niggerized.”

“A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy,” West said.

I would like to explain to Professor West a few things about this dread supremacy:

We have White Supremacy, Professor, because for 2500 years we, whites, have produced the best minds on the planet, the greatest flourishing of the arts and sciences ever seen, the most complex and organized societies. We have White Supremacy, whatever exactly it may be, because we have been the earth’s most successful race. No other has come close. Deal with it.

We put probes on Mars and invented the thousands of technologies needed to do it. We developed the symphony orchestra, the highest form of musical expression. We invented the airplane, the computer, the internet, and tennis shoes. Putting it compactly, we invented the modern world. A degree of privilege, however you may conceive it, goes with the territory.


A product of white engineers. When you can do this, come back and talk to me.

Blacks may not have the background to grasp the extent of our achievements. Still, permit me a brief and very incomplete list of things white people have done or invented:

Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Calculus: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Roads. Buildings. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, that’s nerve gas, and maybe we didn’t really need it.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes. The Bible. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera.


Computers, invented by us. We are not the only ones who can design these monsters. The Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and Indians can do it, and they have my respect. But–Babbage, Turing, Shockley, Shannon, Boole, von Neumann–we invented computers. People who count on their fingers should maintain a discreet silence.

As a race, Cornel, we are happy for you, for anyone, to enjoy the benefits of our civilization, but that is exactly what it is—our civilization. It has become a global civilization because others among the competent—again, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans—have found it to be in technical matters superior. It came from us. They, I note, do not complain of White Supremacy or White Privilege. They are too busy making computers and money.

Now, Cornel, I have often heard blacks demanding reparations for slavery. All right. I agree. It is only fair. I will pay a half-million dollars to each of my slaves, and free them immediately. I am not sure how many I have, but will try to give you an estimate in even dozens. Further, I believe that all blacks are entitled to a similar amount for every year in which they were slaves.

However, I think you owe us royalties for the use of our civilization, which can be regarded as a sort of software. There should be a licensing fee. After all, every time you use a computer, or a door knob, you are using something invented by us. Every time you sharpen a pencil, or use one, or read or write, you infringe our copyright, so to speak. We have spent millennia coming up with things–literacy, soap, counting–and it is only fair that we receive recompense.

The accounting burden would be excessive if we tried to distribute royalties in too fine a granularity, such as three cents per use of a boom box or a Glock, so we should probably use a bundled approach–so much per year for use of the wheel, refrigerator, and television. The amount could be deducted first from reparations payments and then automatically from EFT cards.


A white man’s kraal. We started building them around 1137.

Now, Cornel, it isn’t that we whites want to be supreme. It is just that we haven’t been able to help it. It isn’t our fault that we produced Newton, Archimedes, Einstein, and all those mutants. They are just birth effects, things that happen to even the best families. You have to play the hand you are dealt. A little sympathy would be appropriate.


These gentlemen, hardly distinguishable from the Julio-Claudians, are probably from Papua-New Guinea. I propose to give them a trial subscription to White Supremacist culture.


An essentially identical culture, differing only in detail. (Mission Control)

What I think, Cornel, is that if you want the advantages of success, you have to succeed. We have. It is chic to say that whites are now headed for the dust bin of history. Maybe. If so, historians of the future will say, “Damn! That was some really fine dust, wasn’t it?”

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 15:53 | 6663965 Farqued Up
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However, they would have made a deposit of syphillis for the Royalty to enjoy.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:04 | 6661372 GeezerGeek
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Just more PC BS. Next thing you know, Playboy Magazine will stop showing female M&A. Oh, wait...

And which indigenous peoples are we talking about, anyway? There is a body of evidence that ancient Europeans migrated to the eastern parts of what is now North America and eventually encountered Asian migrants coming from Siberia. As far as I'm concerned, anyone born here is indigenous.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:23 | 6661623 Confused
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I dont care one way or the other. To be honest. My family came to the US later in the game. They owned no slaves, nor could they have afforded to. They were not English, or Dutch, or Spanish. So I dont really give a fuck for any of these issues. 

But I do find it interesting that coming out against Columbus is seen as a leftist thing. When in essence he was a nobleman, seeking fame and fortune, who went in search of conquest for the rich.

The irony is, if he were doing this today, everyone on this site would be slamming him for being a scumbag. Or a jew.

So rail on about PC fags, and left idiots. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:32 | 6661641 ZD1
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"But I do find it interesting that coming out against Columbus is seen as a leftist thing."

You are confused.

The left detests white men like Columbus for invading the Americas and they are really slamming Columbus now for possibly being Jewish.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 02:00 | 6661792 tets up
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And having a sypillis penis, wtf leave the poor imperialist rapist pig alone guys!!!

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:15 | 6661982 MANvsMACHINE
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I thought he's being slammed for not having a large enough proportion of transgenders on his boats.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 11:55 | 6663019 NidStyles
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Pretty sure no one likes the Jews, not even the Jews like each other. 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:36 | 6662001 lakecity55
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No, Playboy will have a Bruce Jenner each month.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:45 | 6661531 JLee2027
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Columbus was a hero for centuries, and rightfully so. We judge him today on today's standards and if those standards had applied in the 15th century, Columbus would have failed.

Fools.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:41 | 6661664 TBT or not TBT
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Columbus still is a hero in Latin America, and Anglophone north americans should be celebrating a different Italian, John Cabot, nee Giovanni.  

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:45 | 6661533 monk27
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There goes the neighborhood... Ten more years like the last 10, and America will be downright uninhabitable !

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 04:35 | 6661901 knuppel
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some interesting statistics in here of who actually killed the most indians

http://therightstuff.biz/2015/10/12/columbus-signalarity/

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 05:35 | 6661934 knuppel
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Also theres a theory french european Solutreans cave men populated america 6-12 ky before the russian asians did, and certainly the vikings deep into Minesota 500y before the jew Columbus.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:16 | 6661984 MANvsMACHINE
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Everyone knows the Cowboys killed the most Indians.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:38 | 6662002 lakecity55
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I would think over the passage of time, Indians killed more Indians.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 09:21 | 6662377 orez65
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If these liberal sh.t heads feel so guilty about what their forefathers did then they should compensate the, so called, American Natives.

Find an American Native, such as Elizabeth Warren, and transfer your home's title and all of your "worldly ill gotten possesions", and give it to them.

Fu.k you shit heads!!!

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:55 | 6661337 Paveway IV
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Indians: "Wait... you're who from where?? Er... GOD send you? OK, ok... Calm the fuck down. Here's some corn and tobacco. Now get the hell off our land. Have a nice trip back to wherever. Tell your king and queen we said 'Hi'..." 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:00 | 6661361 ZerOhead
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Failing to enforce a well thought out immigration policy really came back to bite them in the ass.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:09 | 6661393 chrsn
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Agree. And without enforceable property rights, they doubly put themselves in a bad position.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:08 | 6662126 Oldwood
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It's so odd that our progressive liberals see no hypocrisy in demanding open borders and a full embrace of ALL immigrants while pissing on America's first immigrants as murders and invaders.

It almost seems....racist....

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6661381 ChanceIs
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Ummm.  Like wasn't Ol Chris C. boinking Isabell when ferdiand wasn't looking, and then...like...didn't he give the clap to 50% of all the "native Americans"

In all seriousness, I read some time ago that the portugese had all sorts of villages established in Greenland long before Columbus made his voyage.

Columbus Day is one we can do without.  I can sure do w/o the PC "Native Day" I see about to be jammed down my throat - along with a female on the ten dollar bill.  I still vote for brooksley Born on that one.  Carmen Reinhardt might be acceptable.  Actually - Milton Friedman's old squeeze...what was her name.....would be GREAT.  she was all for throwing thousands of bankers in jail.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:15 | 6661412 Stares straight...
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Ahhh... To boink Queen Isabelle and Sail the Atlantic discovering Lands the Portuguese never saw....

You're right: Ol' Chris was a cut of the cloth of mellenials. A worthless tool who lived and died in his parent's basement. No need to celebrate. Move along...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:53 | 6661429 Billy the Poet
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.didn't he give the clap to 50% of all the "native Americans"

 

The Indians gave syphilis to the Europeans not the other way around.

 

PS -- It's amazing how some people can downvote documented history.

 

 

History of Syphilis Abstract

Evidence-based research now allows clear separation of syphilis from other diseases in its class of treponematoses. Examination of skeletons from populations with clinically diagnosed bejel and yaws revealed bone alterations distinctive to those diseases, clearly separating them from alterations due to syphilis, transcending the limitations of current DNA and immunologic technologies. These insights allowed confident identification of the New World origin of syphilis. Absence of skeletal evidence of any treponemal disease in continental Europe before the time of Columbus excludes it as site of origin of syphilis. Treponemal disease appears to have originated in East Africa with late transmission to England, perhaps as a complication of the slave trade. The original treponemal disease apparently spread from Africa through Asia, entering North America. Approximately 8 millennia later, it mutated to syphilis. Presence of skeletal evidence of syphilis at the site in the Dominican Republic where Columbus landed suggests the route by which it was transmitted to the Old World.

 

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/10/1454.full

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:13 | 6662141 Oldwood
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Using facts and science to prove a point is only allowed by progressives utilizing progressive approved scientific consensus. Any other attempt is deemed racist hate speech and IS NOT ALLOWED.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:43 | 6661523 BarkingCat
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If I could go back in time and advise the natives in the Americas right before any European came, I would tell them to kill every white person as soon as they get on land.

Of course the natives would have still been fucked a few centuries later. Europe would have evolved their technology while the American natives would still be in the stone or bronze age.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:18 | 6662151 Oldwood
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Which was a large determinant factor in the first place. As predictable as the outcome of space invaders landing on earth (heroic science fiction not withstanding). Unless they were progressive aliens of course, who would instantly submit to our ancient retarded ways in respect for indigenous peoples throughout the universe.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:57 | 6661340 Peak Finance
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I think the facts about the settling of this country are wrong.

The land was originally full of indians, and ONLY indians.

Clearly, the Eurpoeans saw this, and decided for the indians own good, America needed "Cultural Enrichment" and so Europeans decided to come over in large numbers.

The people that originally lived here only THINK things got worse, but really, "Diversity is our strength!" and only the racist indians opposed the coming of the Eurpoeans. 

With our horses and machines, we only did the jobs the "indians didn't want to do", and they are all better off for it! 

 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:04 | 6661374 Polymarkos
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WELL SAID!!

 

Hahahaha!

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:31 | 6661484 847328_3527
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+1,000 PF!

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:44 | 6661529 ZD1
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"The land was originally full of indians, and ONLY indians."

 

 

Archaeological evidence suggests that America was first discovered by Stone Age people from Europe – 10,000 years before the Siberian-originating ancestors of the American Indians set foot in the New World.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-s...

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 04:46 | 6661918 The_Dude
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Native Americans are more closely related to Western Eurasian tribes instead of Asians, as previously thought. 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-am...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:56 | 6661342 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Dirty secret of American history: Columbus the genocidal, slaveowning maniac was Jewish, according to B'nai B'rith:

 

Columbus the Jew by B’nai B’rith, 1926
Source: Jewish Reference Book: B’nai B’rith Manual
Edited by Samuel S. Cohon
Cincinnati, Ohio
1926

pp. 248-250

THE JEW IN AMERICA BY SAMUEL S. COHON

The Jewish Role in the Discovery of America — While many Jews are recent immigrants, the Jew is no new arrival in this country. In point of length of residence and of service, he is the equal of any white man on this continent. That he played an important role in the discovery of America is a matter of history.

In recent years, the conviction has grown in the minds of scholars that Columbus’ blood was partly Jewish. His mother, so it is alleged, came of a well-known Jewish family — the Ponte Rossi. And "Collom," which is the real name of Columbus, was that of an Italian Jewish family. As it was not safe in those days, in Spain, to be known as Jew, he called himself a "Genoese navigator." Though his origin is still a mooted question, it is pretty certain that he associated with Jews and was the recipient of their aid in his great work. When he failed to induce Ferdinand and Isabella to assist him in his undertaking, he turned to the Marrano, Louis de Santangel, the chan-celor of Aragon, for assistance. Together with his relative, Gabriel Sanchez, the royal treasurer, and his friend, Juan Cabrero, the royal chamberlain, also of Jewish blood, Santangel entered energetically into the plans of Columbus. He showed the queen the advantages to the crown and’to Spain of the discovery of a short route to India; the immortal fame and the limitless wealth that would be theirs.

Inspired by this glamor, the queen consented to pawn her jewels in order to raise sufficient funds for the expedition but she did not have to go that far. Santangel modestly requested to be permitted to advance the needed money out of his private treasury and accordingly advanced, without interest, 1,700 ducats (which is equivalent to $160,000 in our money). In view of these facts, Prof. Herbert B. Adams appropriately coined the fine epigram: "Not Jewels, but Jews were the real financial basis for the first expedition of Columbus."

Santangel’s zeal was prompted, not only by his high-mindedness, but also by his Jewish loyalty. Two of his uncles were burnt by the Inquisition because of their Judaism and he himself, as may be well imagined, suffered greatly because of the mask of Catholicism which he was forced to wear. The condition of the Jews of Spain was near-ing its highest point of misery. Ferdinand and Isabella were preparing to expel all the Jews from their provinces. On August 2, 1492, about 300,000 Jews who refused to become Christians left Spain; and on the following day, Columbus, with the aid of Santangel, set sail in search of what turned out to be a haven of rest for the wandering Jews as for all the persecuted.

Columbus took with him the astronomical charts and instruments prepared by Abraham Zacuto, a Jewish professor at Salamanka. These were of incalculable service to the navigator and, on one occasion, saved the lives of the whole company. At least five members of the expedition, including the surgeon, Marco, the ship’s doctor, Bernal, and the interpreter, Louis Torres, were Jews. Torres was the first European to tread on American soil and also the first to discover the use of tobacco. He won the good-will of a Cuban chief and received from him large grants of land and many slaves as presents. Columbus’ recognition of his indebtedness to the Jews is shown also by the fact that the first detailed account of his discoveries was addressed to his Jewish patron, Louis de Santangel, and a similar letter was sent to Gabriel Sanchez.

Columbus’ second expedition (1493) was again financed by Jewish funds. This time the money came not from the pocket of a rich Jewish patron, but out of the funds realized from the sale of the confiscated possessions of the Jews that were expelled from Spain.

 

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/israelis-for-obama/

 

 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:02 | 6661370 Polymarkos
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Do you really expect anyone to read all your distorted vomit?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6661380 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Here's the original. You should learn some Jewish history:

 

https://archive.org/stream/jewishreferenceb00coho#page/248/mode/2up

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:15 | 6661413 Polymarkos
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You should get your head out of your ass.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:18 | 6661421 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Do you always moo this loudly when your sacred cows get killed?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:08 | 6661387 Polymarkos
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People giving me thumbs down are idiots with sick distorted views of the world.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:08 | 6661385 GeezerGeek
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All out of bubblegum? Check between your ears.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:25 | 6661455 Billy the Poet
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Torres was the first European to tread on American soil

 

Leif Erikson beat him to it.  He wasn't Jewish although he did wear something akin to yarmulke with horns.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:57 | 6661346 AllMightyDollar
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Kennewick Man - Look it up

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:21 | 6661437 Ms No
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It is claimed that he has been proven to be Native now through DNA testing.  Of course, the Army Core is involved and so both sides are suspicious due to their lack of credibility and the Indians don't trust the US authorities in any shape or form so the testing was done in Europe.  Are the tests in Europe going to be performed without bias?  Hell if I know.    

"Genetic analysis is still underway in Denmark, but documents obtained through the federal Freedom of Information Act say preliminary results point to a Native American heritage."

The researchers performing the DNA analysis "feel that Kennewick has normal, standard Native-American genetics,"

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-kennewick-dna-native.html#jCp 

http://old.seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025488002_kennewickdnaxml.html

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:41 | 6661492 Hulk
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Which would explain the Fosters beer can I found on the Snohomish river with a sell by date of 7516 BC !!!

//and how those guys knew it was BC just goes to show how smart they actually were...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:55 | 6661555 Ms No
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Have you seen the new info about the Welsh and the Irish Celts and the Basqes?  It's really interesting.  The Basque language has no precursor (referred to as a language isolate), they also have the RH negative blood line which they may have shared somehow and somewhere with the Irish.  I have no RH negative but both sides of my family carries what Americans refer to as the "dark Irish" or "nigger Irish" traits, being dark hair, green or dark blue eyes with very fair skin.  In Ireland and Scotland they do not different their difference as they say they have always been there.  I don't really care what it derives from but it's interesting, if I find out I am Jewish I am calling the ADL on all of you.

"The people of the Basque region have a greater than 50 percent concentration of the RH negative gene,. The frequency decreases in relation to the distance from the Basque region into the rest of the world until there is very little evidence of this gene. This genetic mapping helps to show that a mutation from RH positive to RH negative occurred somewhere in the Basque area of Europe maybe as much as 40,000 years ago, as he discussed later. Basques are not regional inhabitants of an area, as some believe - they are a completely separate and distinct race whose origins are shrouded in mystery"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1256894.stm

 

 

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:07 | 6661579 Billy the Poet
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Every language in both the Old and New Worlds can be traced back to a proto-Indo-European root language except Basque. I've wondered if the language could be a remnant of a Neanderthal language. The Neanderthals lasted until about 40,000 years ago.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:28 | 6661636 Ms No
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Exactly, it's pretty interesting.  The French and Spanish have some Basque Genes too.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:31 | 6661645 Hulk
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Ms No, have you had your dna analyzed??? I did and it was quite a surprise, well worth the 100 dollar cost...

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:58 | 6661350 i_call_you_my_base
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Well, they do have the truth on their side.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:01 | 6661363 Polymarkos
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Are you really that thick? What 'truth' are you talking about?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:04 | 6661375 i_call_you_my_base
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That the legend of Christopher Columbus is a myth. That he didn't discover america. And in any case, was never actually there. That the Norwegians did it long before. And on top of that, he was a murderer, slave trader, and rapist.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:13 | 6661404 Polymarkos
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Yeah, that'd be the propaganda 'truth' you got there. Try reading. It only hurts at the beginning, and soon you are reading and learning what BS you were handed.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:37 | 6661500 Billy the Poet
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"It appears to me, that the people are ingenious, and would be good servants."-- Columbus' Journal

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6661382 Tallest Skil
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Not that I support a genocidal imbecile who was too stupid to know how large the Earth was when we'd known its size since roughly 300 BC, but you're a complete idiot who has zero comprehension of what humanity itself is.

I bet you think that Andrew Jackson was evil for saving the Indioes from extinction, too, don't you?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:26 | 6661456 i_call_you_my_base
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I'm just saying of all the people we could celebrate, Christopher Columbus is low on my list. He wasn't even an American. I'd rather Ben Franklin: he started our country, was smart, funny, invented things, and slept with prostitutes.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 22:59 | 6661359 NOZZLE
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Tell me the name of the Indigenous peon who navigated a flotialla 4,000 miles across an uncharted ocean, drew charts of the uncharted unmapped land he found, navigated back to the place he departed from and nagivatred back several times to the place he discovered?  Discovery is not just finding something, its knowing what you found, recording it and reporting your find to others.  The indians never did that in their entire existence.  And primitive stick figures on cave walls is about as impressive as some white trash bitch squeezing a piece of genetic garbage out of her ass in a kenyan hut made of compacted animals shit. 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6661379 Polymarkos
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Liked the barbs at the tail end of that.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:28 | 6661470 Stares straight...
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He came out of her ass?! No wonder!

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:47 | 6661674 general ambivalent
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Retarded. He was one man with a crew. And if anything like today, the crew did all of the hard work.

Hunting requires extreme navigation ability, and making your own clothes, a birch bark canoe, knives, bows, etc. require similar levels of skill. As for primitive art, watch Herzog's "Cave of Forgotten Dreams". 

How many plants can you identify in the woods near you? Can you live off of them and heal your family? No? Well, neither could 99% of the scientists today, suggesting that primitive people had a deeper knowledge of plants than modern botanists.

The race arguments are just another red-team/blue-team dichotomy for controlling idiots. When you have to reduce other cultures to falsely build up your own you're playing a Holy People/Goyim game.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 01:01 | 6661716 cheech_wizard
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>suggesting that primitive people had a deeper knowledge of plants than modern botanists.

Always made me wonder who was volunteered to be the taste tester. Of course, one can always go by the theory they learned which plants were edible by observing animals.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:12 | 6661978 Grumbleduke
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I wonder how many people died, before they knew how to prepare fugu fish... And why would you eat this, knowing that people died from it?

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 09:25 | 6662389 Baldrick
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Piri Reis provided the maps a few decades before.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:01 | 6661362 durablefaith
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They thought they were free. We thought we were free. If we do not speak for the indigenous being run off their land...now...by globalist corporations...then who will speak for us in 2030 when private property will be outlawed?

They are we.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6661377 Peter Pan
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History is what it is. Some of it is ugly and can offend our sensibilities. But Columbis' trip was a discovery and a half for the Europeans and that cannot be denied. And what also cannot be denied is that Columbus did not discover anything because there were people there already.

Perhaps they should rename the day, " Columbus discovers indigenous Americans Day." 

Or perhaps we should take the lead of the person who defaced the monument and        "axe"  all these days.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:06 | 6661378 roisaber
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There's zero reason for genuine conservatives to nail their dicks to the legacy of Christopher Columbus. He didn't discover anything; he only ran into America because he didn't understand basic geography that was widely known at the time; Christopher Columbus is an excellent role model for morons.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:18 | 6661425 Polymarkos
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YOU are an idiot. Been at the common core history, have ya?

 

He discovered it in the way that MATTERED, fool. Vikings came and went. 6th century Irish monks came and went. Etc.

 

Columbus came and went and came and went and came and went, and brought others who STAYED. That's the significance of this, jackass.

 

Good gawd, where did you get your edyookashun?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:21 | 6661438 roisaber
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Mattered in what dumb way? The Chinese found it too. Everybody knew it was here. It was only Europeans who were so diseased; so covered in their own filth; and so religiously fundamentalist that colonizing a new world was a civilizational priority while other cultures were busy trying to NOT overconsume their resource base.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:29 | 6661472 Polymarkos
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YOU are an idiot. Been at the common core history, have ya?

 

He discovered it in the way that MATTERED, fool. Vikings came and went. 6th century Irish monks came and went. Etc.

 

Columbus came and went and came and went and came and went, and brought others who STAYED. That's the significance of this, jackass.

 

Good gawd, where did you get your edyookashun?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:46 | 6661534 Billy the Poet
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The Vikings remained in North America until the 15th century and by then European fishermen were regularly catching cod off the North American coast. English fisherman likely made contact with natives a decade or more before Columbus sailed. There has been a continuous presence by northern Europeans and their descendants in North America for a thousand years.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 08:32 | 6662193 Husk-Erzulie
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Exactamundo... The Grand Banks has likely attracted any human culture that could cobble together a boat, for a long, long time.  Just a short hop to Newfie Land.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:34 | 6661487 Bay of Pigs
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Thank you dumbing down ZH at a time when this place is full of idiots, nitwits, dumbshits and trolls.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 06:51 | 6662010 roisaber
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You know what? Being a conservative doesn't mean being full of shit all the time. You don't have to hold on to lies with all the tenacity of a dog with a bone just because they were the lies you were taught as a child. Learn a book - it's no secret to anyone that the 1300s, 1400s, and 1500s weren't exactly a golden age for European sanitation or learning. Embrace historical revisionism. The government's first run of propaganda wasn't right back then either.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 07:40 | 6662068 Bay of Pigs
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No, I get it. Columbus was no saint and did some awful things. Not defending him at all.

"Embrace historical revisionism".

I have read books on Native Americans and studied the subject in college, so I don't believe I am "full of shit" on the topic. Some of the tribes in North America were every bit as bad as Columbus. Violent, bloodthirsty and savage. Propaganda runs both ways my friend.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 13:31 | 6663379 TheABaum
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You would be better.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:11 | 6661390 Bay of Pigs
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I grew up in Olympia, WA and graduated high school there. My Dad (who is 94), was the first white baby ever born in Indianola, WA in 1921, so I know the stories of the indians. I have heard them all. And thats what they are, indians or Native Americans, not some other bullshit concocted term like "Indigenous Peoples Day".

So Columbus was an asshole? Get over it. The distortion of the actual historical record by these usless PC progressive, full fucking retards makes me sick. 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:24 | 6661451 Polymarkos
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Right the fuck on.

 

It sickens me how the commie bot stoopidz all have to parrot the same PC BS over and over, as it that were all that mattered. So Columbus was an asshole? So what? He brought full awareness of the Americas to Europe at a time when the Europeans could use that knowledge and migrate. The siginificance of this is lost to the PC fuck wits who all scream Columbus was a SLAVER! He was a RAPIST! He was a BOOGER HEAD!!

 

AS if the actions of Columbus in these matters invalidated the larger contribution.

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:01 | 6661568 Citxmech
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Gee, lets have "Bill Cosby Day" while we're at it, right?  

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:10 | 6661397 rejected
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Indigenous: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

The American Indians were not indigenous,,, they migrated from Siberia. They were here before the Caucasians migrated from Europe and that's it.

Now it appears once again our diverse and tolerant society isn't so diverse and tolerant. Once again the group that is paying the majority of the bills is demonized for the supposedly treacherous acts of people before them they never knew.

The Caucasians have been eating shit pretty regularly with only a whimper here and there,,, but for how long? The harder they try to be tolerant of the supposed minorities the more violent and abusive those minorities become demanding more and more.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:11 | 6661399 Polymarkos
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I subbed a 3rd grade class about a year back. The completely insane woman I subbed for was there when I came in to take the class. She went off about how Columbus Day is all about rape.

 

WTF?

 

Rape Day? Good. Chris Columbus the Biggus Dickus raped the hell outta the whole New World and made it safe for white people.

 

Thank you Chris Columbus.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:13 | 6661406 johmack2
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This isnt about columbus "discovering" america or parts of the latin america, which technically he didnt. This is about the wholesale genocide committed in his wake of said "discovery". If columbus didnt commit this genocide people would actually be okay with calling it christopher columbus day. 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6661433 Polymarkos
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YOU are an idiot. Been at the common core history, have ya?

 

He discovered it in the way that MATTERED, fool. Vikings came and went. 6th century Irish monks came and went. Etc.

 

Columbus came and went and came and went and came and went, and brought others who STAYED. That's the significance of this, jackass. And he didn't personally commit genocide, moron.

 

Good gawd, where did you get your edyookashun?

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:36 | 6661496 johmack2
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No actually im from one of the islands he "discovered" where there are no more native inhabitants due to mass slaughter that ensued upon his landing. Even in my country its has been debated for a long time over 30 years+  to stop calling this day christopher columbus day,infact its pretty much not celebrated, seeing what is really was synomymous with.  

 

 

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6661436 MeBizarro
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Man lots of ZH tard responses on this thread including somehow asserting Columbus was a Jew. 

Bartolome De Las Cases was one of Columbus' men who quit working for Columbus and became a Catholic priest working to try to get the Church to prevent the wanton and depraved violence Spanish explorers inflicted.

De La Cases best known quote, "My eyes have seen acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write this."

One of the most sadistic things that the Spaniards would do is take someone, make bets, and then sweep of their sword to see if they could cut a person in half.  This was a fairly regular occurence according to De La Casas.

Yeah fuck Columbus.  He didn't 'discover America' either nor ever asserted he did.  He thought until the day he did that he was still off Asia in the East Indies.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:24 | 6661447 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> somehow asserting Columbus was a Jew.

 

B'nai B'rith claimed him and his crew as Jews. If you have a problem with that, bring it up with B'nai B'rith.

Mon, 10/12/2015 - 23:26 | 6661458 Polymarkos
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YOU are an idiot. Been at the common core history, have ya?

 

He discovered it in the way that MATTERED, fool. Vikings came and went. 6th century Irish monks came and went. Etc.

 

Columbus came and went and came and went and came and went, and brought others who STAYED. That's the significance of this, jackass.

 

Good gawd, where did you get your edyookashun?

Tue, 10/13/2015 - 00:08 | 6661584 acetinker
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^Bot?

Not?

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