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The Dummy's Guide To The Syrian Conflict
Russia’s intervention has made the complex pattern of alliances and enmities in Syria still more intricate. As The Guardian notes, the Assad regime and its local opponents are backed to differing degrees and in different configurations by military powers from near and far, so here is your cocktail-party-napkin-sized guide to who supports/opposes whom in Syria.
Consider it the Middle East's own "dot plot"
All "dots" subject to change.
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Syria is 0bama’s self-inflicted hanging wedgie. ;-)
Looney
O don't know about that. DId you see the 60 Minutes interview? When asked about Isis and his leadership, he said he was going to fire Archer.
Did they forget Israel.
They always "forget" Israel.
hmmm...may want to re-check that saudi/qatar dots....
What if they held a war and everybody came. Maybe helicopter dropping lots of small arms and munitions in there is exactly the stimulus they need.
It's the "Dummy's Guide to the Syrian Conflict" because they left Israel off the chart despite the fact that Israel admits to providing medical aid and airstrikes in support of the terrorists. Former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren has said that Israel supports Sunni terrorists because Israel is more afraid of the Shiites. And that's how Al Qaeda got to be Israel's ally (if they weren't allies long before).
True, no wait,,,,it is The Guardian, so for their ownership it is 100% accurate.
'cept when its time to dole out a few hundred billion more to the SOBs.
The ownership of the Guardian forbids mentioning the elephant that is very definitely not in the room.
That's seriously funny.
Whatz seriously funny ??? And should seriousy and funny be two words that are used together in the same sentence ???
Inquiring minds want to k-no !!!
And should seriousy and funny be two words that are used together in the same sentence ???
Ask Josh Earnest. He ought to know.
YOU are exactly what I dont need !!!
So I shouldn't send you any coupons for a free package of me then?
Damn right other Barry
Wow, those ISIS guys must be bad ass. Just look at all those red dots after them, and yet they were having parades in the desert just a few weeks ago! Russia's red dot must be redder and rounder, because they appear to be making a bit of an impact. The US's red dot may in fact be defective, improperly aimed, or simply imaginary. Someone should really look into that. :p
No matter the cluster fuck that things are ... to be opposed by both the United States and Russia is a pretty clear sign that your diplomacy policy sucks camel balls and it needs to be revised.
I wonder which countries consider the Tea Party to be "moderate rebels"?
Just imagine if all the tea in China could be airdropped somewhere over the heartland. That would get things brewing.
Only Russia has a straight goal : Support government and fcuk all.
In soviet russia, governement support you and all is fucked!
At least some countries support the governments of countries, especially the elected governments.
Because democracies are never tyrannical hell holes, is that it?
Countries overun by US sponsored terrorist are always hellholes. So that's something to consider.
Russia's straight goal is Russia. 1) Secure warm water sea port. 2) Gain toehold in ME which it hasn't had since Nasser. 3) Blow in dark cloud over Israeli/Cypriot gas discoveries & plans to pipe to Europe which is at the moment nearly entirely dependent on Russia for gas.
But so far they aren't operating anyplace where they haven't been invited unlike some other countries.
Shouldn't Qatar and Saudi Arabia (and maybe Turkey and Jordan) be a blue circle under ISIS?
Qatar/Saudi businessmen and princes have funded, and continue to financially support ISIS. But the governments of these countries (synonymous with princes and businessmen, anyway) are supporting Islamist rebels like Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Qaeda affiliate) in the fight against the Assad regime. Ergodan is too much of a shithead to make peace with the Kurds and fight ISIS.
I wouldn't get too cozy with Putin, Rouhani and Assad. They rule over countries with billionaire oligarchs and a debt-backed credit money system, same as we have in the US.
Erdogan doesn't want to give an inch to the Kurds. He'd rather they just all die off than him owe them a favor and them asking for autonomy.
What a complete bullshit chart. Russia, US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Turkey on the same side opposing ISIS which was made in USA? You would have to be a complete dummy to believe that:
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
The Western powers, flush with success after organising an Islamist insurgency in Benghazi in order to justify NATO’s overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, thought they could use similar forces to overthrow Assad in Syria, whose regime draws its main base of support from the Alawite sect, a Shi’a offshoot, and Sunni businessmen.
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
The Guardian, author of the guide, is only a guardian of CIA's propaganda. Why is Israel not shown on the chart? Calling it worthless would be to compliment it.
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIShttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
Turkey is not fighting ISIS but facilitating it. The USA considers ISIS a geopolitical asset and only pretends to bomb it. Documents from wiki-leaks and from the investigation in the Benghazi incident reveal that the USA has been grooming and facilitating Islamic radicals in Syria since 2006, along with money from Saudi and Qatar.
The whole situation is much simpler than it seems if you strip off the false narratives and political lies. Follow the money.
I think you are correct. I heard the news today and all three guests said isis is supplied by Turkey and Saudi Arabia as well as some others.
I heard the news today
Oh, boy.
Nobody REALLY buys the "moderate rebel" story, do they?
Everyone who wants to can take Uncle Sam's money & firepower and do whatever they want with it...and this is policy?
This is "learn how to treat all the different Arabs of the M.E. the same way the israelis treat the Palestinians...forever."
No conflict resolution, just conflict.
Let's hear it for AmeriKa's moral compass! Buried firmly up the ass of some Zio creeps and fundie thugs!
An Islamic terrorist, a moderate rebel, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are gathered around a table and someone puts down a hundred dollar bill. The lights go out and when they come back on the hundred is gone. Who took it and how do you know?
The Islamic terrorist had to have taken it because all the others are fictitious characters.
<"Grandpa don't tell me Santa Claus isn't real!" "Sorry kid you have to live with reality">
Spoon fed news to brain dead Americans buy / believe everything they hear. Even when information is diametrically opposed.
In American public schools critical thinking is punished. Even if a teacher is wrong they are trained to not say anything about it, otherwise they get punished for daring to challenge the teachers authority.
Its not that they're brain dead, its more Pavlovian than that. They have been trained since the 1970's to swallow everything without question or they will be punished and/or ostracized. Until the advent of the US Dept of Education(1979 yay Carter /s), public schooling in this country was world leading. Now look where we sit. You wonder why these poor ingorant fools don't think for themselves, ask any questions or act morally? I don't, I know why.
In the course of various conversations I haven't found anyone under 35 who knows what "The Spirit of '76" is or even the significance of the the year 1776.
We'll I am 42 and do we wanna talk about the painting, the zietgiest or the actual Declaration. :)
Any one of them is better than the blank stare I usually get.
Self determination is an idea they stopped selling to be sure. I on the other hand, would have never been in the revolutionary militia, I would already be in the Continental Army.
The USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Jordan all support "moderate rebels".
Wow, six countries backing all of five dudes!
curds are missing. they are in training for centuries.
Have you tried looking in the cottage cheese?
This chart is extremely inaccurate.
I agree, I'm looking at this and a lot of those dots are just plain wrong.
Think of Russia's campaign as reverse QE lol.
Obama's magic marker must be out of red ink.
What a crock of shit this is. Where did this chart come from, John Effen Kerry? It's all about the pipeline. Who wants it and who doesnt and who is in the way.
Adjectives like Moderate or Extreme are merely 'PR Semantics', meant to be used as 'Labels of Convenience', and with a particular geo-political intent of the US Foreign Policy.
If they were sports teams, you would notice that the Team and League composition varies over time, as do the locations and rules of their games. It's a fast, furious and fluid game.
Don't get too worked up ab out it, or get wrapped around the debating axle.
FWIW, Hannity was sucking some mean neocon/zionist dick this afternoon on the radio. Had to turn him off sooner than normal (can only take so much hot air being blown into my car at one time). Funny how every month as shit gets more real it becomes painfully apparant he is just a tool. Same goes for NPR - reaching panic mode it seems.
Again, "moderate rebels"? It doesn't exist. Opponent to the regime means muslim brotherhood, the organization that were presented as "the opposition" during the farce called "the arab spring". Spring of steaming horseshit.
The ME countries need coercive government or the allah lovers go apeshit. Every fucking time. Assad's regime is a non religious one, no fucking crescent on the flag. I don't know, look at pictures of his wife (shitty example but it gives an idea). And Syria has been at peace until Assad refused to let a Qatari pipeline run through his country. From there, oppostion (that is allah lovers but yeah, they are civilians and yeah sometimes civilians have guns), western sanctions, no more supllies of tear gas for the police and step by step, civil war, or more precisely inside war from the West and its allies, the towel dudes.
Enjoy: http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/10/russian-justice-moderate-ammo-for.h...
(as found by Cheech_wizard)
lmao. Nice
An easy-to-read chart based on lies and propaganda - why am I not impressed?
Chameleon color palate
It is not important that the weapons end up in the hands of "the right people". The important thing is that the nominee for the next Secretary of the Army is gay.
All else is commentary.
I told one of my Uber-Progressive-Commie-Rat-Bastard-Golf-Buds who is a SF49rs fan that in the interest of his Blessed Diversity that they should spend their 1st round draft choice on a Quadriplegic Running Back
Didn't take to it too well.
Um, shouldn't the Kurds be both a row and a column in the table above?
And just how does one differentiate between "ISIS", "Islamist Groups", and "Moderate Groups"? What's the difference between an "ISIS" Muslim running around shooting an AK47 vs. an "Islamist" Muslim running around shooting an AK47, vs. a "Moderate" Muslim running around shooting an AK47? Is it who they're shooting their AK47s at? Doesn't that turn weekly on shipments of hundred dollar bills?
Sorry, but I have to call BS on this one.
Former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld was questioned about this chart.
His reply:
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.
The US also supports islamists
It's incomplete, as expected - Whitewashing US/UK/NATO's involvement...